The rains sync well with winter wheat for us here in NE Oklahoma .. I added in some daikon radish and sugar beet, and buckwheat for forage - but since we're on a postage stamp, the only livestock I have to graze it are ducks 🦆🦆 Its great fun, though .. having all of this green grass around in the middle of winter, where everyone else has a dead brown lawn 😁
I have put winter rye at my experimental farm for the last three years, learned some tricks. I have broadcast dry beans (pinto, black) into standing rye if anticipating some rain over the next week, the beans sprout, then I roll the rye flat into a mulch layer. Once the rye is flattened you are working against the summer crop shading out the ground before the rye decomposes and weeds get sunlight to start. That's why waiting to flatten the rye after the beans emerge is a great method. Corn doesn't like the rye tying up nitrogen so I'll cut strips (like strip till) to plant corn down (modern no-till planters have front row cleaners to do this). Then when the corn emerges flatten the rye down the rows. Either a modern roller-crimper or pulling an old-school cultipacker or lawn roller "down and back" so any rye trying to stand up gets bent over the other way. Corn and beans can be rolled over until V1. If you disk your rye down and plant you are no better off than turning sod. Plant winter rye six weeks before your normal frost date for best spring coverage and three to two weeks works ok. Later can be spotty (like trying to get corn off before rye planting). Future plans of broadcasting rye into standing corn, picking corn, then brush hogging the stalk debris. Using Rye, Buckwheat, and Clover give you a lot of NPK , weed suppression, and the buckwheat draws beneficial insects like huge spiders to eat all the japanese beetles that pester corn silks.
THanks for the info. regarding rye. Maybe a little late to plant the winter "rye" BUT I gonna find a handful of seed tomorrow and broadcast and water anyway. I may be a little late but I will determine "something" this season or later..... Dennis farmer and/or rookie alfy, wheat, soybean, grain sorghum(milo), tomato and occasional potato and radish (daikon and cherry belle) gardener. .
lol Thanks brother. I appreciate the feed back. I try to answer most of my questions that I now I answers for, but of course, there're lots of things I don't have experience with like terminating before row crops and such.
I'm having a difficult time finding retailers and/or seed producers to have any good varieties of seed. Those that do, have shipping costs that make me wanna cry. I have recently resorted to game seed packages. From "Green Cover" the mix is smart radish, purple top turnip, cerial rye, spring oats, black oates, austrian winter peas, 4010 forage pea, crimson clover balansa clover, berseem clover, and macan buckwheat. I added a forage mix from Tractor Supply a mix of grasses and clovers as well. I did an aggressive drag followed by a thick broadcast followed by a passive drag. I rained the next night a very healthy good soaker. The peas were popping in 4 days, and the ryes in 3. I have high hopes, but am going to continue looking for specific seed to create my own mixes. North Central Florida is weak for farming services.
Yes it's really unfortunate not to find good seed retailers locally. The shipping costs are so high for most seeds that its cost prohibitive many times. Green cover is an excellent business. I highly recommend them. I don't have a whole lot of variety with a lot of seeds locally, but its enough.
@@DowdleFamilyFarms Well. I put in for info on a bulk order from Hancock seed. They are about a 2 hr drive, so it may be worth the discount for a bulk sale. Seed will hold good for a few years if it is stored correctly, so we'll see.
Enjoy you comentarty and insights. Do not write off amaranth (pig-weed) to quickly, will the grain is tiny, it is the highest protein grain we can grow. And the rood goes down deep and breaks up compacterd layers in the soil. And the greens off of this plant are nutritious, but you hav to be quick, the cows abd bugs eat it up quick. And yes, pigs eat it too.
Interestingly, you are the first commenter that I remember bringing this up. Though several people have asked me why I don't try amaranth. Most of what we have growing is the spiny amaranth that I generally call pig weed. There is some smooth amaranth that I'll see occasionally but mostly I'm talking about the spiny amaranth when I say pig weed. Cattle will touch it some and so will the pigs, though its not their favorite. The problem with the grain of amaranth (of any kind growing on our farm) is that its so small that it often passes right through the pigs without them digesting it. It's so small that they don't break it up very well. If it's not ground up, the nutrient availability for the pigs is much much less. That's why I prefer buckwheat. The protein is only 14% though the lysine is extremely high and the pigs are able to eat it and perform well. It's even a problem with corn as well which is why we grind it so fine. All that to say, its not a problem in our pig pastures, but there are other things that the pigs perform better on and are more productive on a per acre basis.
Appreciate you sharing your experiences, gives me food for thought. I've been adding Teff to my produce field in between the rows for weed suppression. It's an effective option in drier conditions.
I purchased some organic cereal rye this year from a farmer just grows multiple cover crops said his field with just cereal rye the ground was hard. I guess I am thinking it must of took every bit of moisture out of the soil. Maybe as long as you/we get rain it won't be to bad. Maybe good to plant plantain and chicory along with it cause they pull up moisture deep in the soil and put it on top of the ground? I heard that from someone!
There could be a lot of factors for hard ground, but yes when we plant it rye, it's dry, but then we get a foot or two of rain until it's time to graze and terminate it in preparation for our spring crops.
@@derkadeher8369 It’s funny, I attempt to look presentable in videos, making sure I’m not covered in pig manure or something. However, I’m particularly interested in going home, showering, and looking perfect for the camera. It’s not realistic and I try to be as realistic as possible. I do appreciate your levity and humor. Thanks again.
@@DowdleFamilyFarms having trouble backing msgs up....or are ryegrass and cereal rye synonymous. I can get answer over at SEED dealer if I do not hear soon....Dennis
The rains sync well with winter wheat for us here in NE Oklahoma .. I added in some daikon radish and sugar beet, and buckwheat for forage - but since we're on a postage stamp, the only livestock I have to graze it are ducks 🦆🦆 Its great fun, though .. having all of this green grass around in the middle of winter, where everyone else has a dead brown lawn 😁
Nice!
I have put winter rye at my experimental farm for the last three years, learned some tricks. I have broadcast dry beans (pinto, black) into standing rye if anticipating some rain over the next week, the beans sprout, then I roll the rye flat into a mulch layer. Once the rye is flattened you are working against the summer crop shading out the ground before the rye decomposes and weeds get sunlight to start. That's why waiting to flatten the rye after the beans emerge is a great method.
Corn doesn't like the rye tying up nitrogen so I'll cut strips (like strip till) to plant corn down (modern no-till planters have front row cleaners to do this). Then when the corn emerges flatten the rye down the rows. Either a modern roller-crimper or pulling an old-school cultipacker or lawn roller "down and back" so any rye trying to stand up gets bent over the other way. Corn and beans can be rolled over until V1. If you disk your rye down and plant you are no better off than turning sod.
Plant winter rye six weeks before your normal frost date for best spring coverage and three to two weeks works ok. Later can be spotty (like trying to get corn off before rye planting). Future plans of broadcasting rye into standing corn, picking corn, then brush hogging the stalk debris.
Using Rye, Buckwheat, and Clover give you a lot of NPK , weed suppression, and the buckwheat draws beneficial insects like huge spiders to eat all the japanese beetles that pester corn silks.
I have a lot more
Experience with buckwheat than rye, but you apparently have a lot of experience with it in a row crop type setting?
Ones like great/info ..wish I/had a hard copy for reference.Dennis/did I print info out correctly
PRobably cannot be sure what i printed,eh? I copied too knowing I might have difficulty referring to it.... Dennis
THanks for the info. regarding rye. Maybe a little late to plant the winter "rye" BUT I gonna find a handful of seed tomorrow and broadcast and water anyway. I may be a little late but I will determine "something" this season or later..... Dennis farmer and/or rookie alfy, wheat, soybean, grain sorghum(milo), tomato and occasional potato and radish (daikon and cherry belle) gardener.
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Thank for info..Dennis
I kept coming up with questions, and then erasing them, because you answered them.
lol Thanks brother. I appreciate the feed back. I try to answer most of my questions that I now I answers for, but of course, there're lots of things I don't have experience with like terminating before row crops and such.
Thanks for the feedback Dennis
I'm having a difficult time finding retailers and/or seed producers to have any good varieties of seed. Those that do, have shipping costs that make me wanna cry. I have recently resorted to game seed packages. From "Green Cover" the mix is smart radish, purple top turnip, cerial rye, spring oats, black oates, austrian winter peas, 4010 forage pea, crimson clover balansa clover, berseem clover, and macan buckwheat. I added a forage mix from Tractor Supply a mix of grasses and clovers as well. I did an aggressive drag followed by a thick broadcast followed by a passive drag. I rained the next night a very healthy good soaker. The peas were popping in 4 days, and the ryes in 3. I have high hopes, but am going to continue looking for specific seed to create my own mixes. North Central Florida is weak for farming services.
Yes it's really unfortunate not to find good seed retailers locally. The shipping costs are so high for most seeds that its cost prohibitive many times. Green cover is an excellent business. I highly recommend them. I don't have a whole lot of variety with a lot of seeds locally, but its enough.
@@DowdleFamilyFarms Well. I put in for info on a bulk order from Hancock seed. They are about a 2 hr drive, so it may be worth the discount for a bulk sale. Seed will hold good for a few years if it is stored correctly, so we'll see.
I buy 2 yrs worth of seed at a time because the shipping for me is the same price for 1 yr worth or 2 yrs worth, but I’m only planting about 1/4 acre
@Green cover seeds do custom mixes
I just planted some rye as a cover crop in a new garden spot! I can't wait to see how it does. Kinda late, so we will see. I'm in zone 6b
If you have some time for a little growth before winter sets in, it should do fairly well I think.
I plant a variety of seeds and a 40 lb bag of premium bird seed, check the ingredients, also chicken scratch grains
Enjoy you comentarty and insights. Do not write off amaranth (pig-weed) to quickly, will the grain is tiny, it is the highest protein grain we can grow. And the rood goes down deep and breaks up compacterd layers in the soil. And the greens off of this plant are nutritious, but you hav to be quick, the cows abd bugs eat it up quick. And yes, pigs eat it too.
Interestingly, you are the first commenter that I remember bringing this up. Though several people have asked me why I don't try amaranth. Most of what we have growing is the spiny amaranth that I generally call pig weed. There is some smooth amaranth that I'll see occasionally but mostly I'm talking about the spiny amaranth when I say pig weed. Cattle will touch it some and so will the pigs, though its not their favorite.
The problem with the grain of amaranth (of any kind growing on our farm) is that its so small that it often passes right through the pigs without them digesting it. It's so small that they don't break it up very well. If it's not ground up, the nutrient availability for the pigs is much much less. That's why I prefer buckwheat. The protein is only 14% though the lysine is extremely high and the pigs are able to eat it and perform well. It's even a problem with corn as well which is why we grind it so fine.
All that to say, its not a problem in our pig pastures, but there are other things that the pigs perform better on and are more productive on a per acre basis.
ThankQ
Dan the Man!
Appreciate you sharing your experiences, gives me food for thought. I've been adding Teff to my produce field in between the rows for weed suppression. It's an effective option in drier conditions.
Nice, we don't do much teff in our area that I'm aware of.
My favorite word -- _"Cover crops"_
I purchased some organic cereal rye this year from a farmer just grows multiple cover crops said his field with just cereal rye the ground was hard. I guess I am thinking it must of took every bit of moisture out of the soil. Maybe as long as you/we get rain it won't be to bad. Maybe good to plant plantain and chicory along with it cause they pull up moisture deep in the soil and put it on top of the ground? I heard that from someone!
There could be a lot of factors for hard ground, but yes when we plant it rye, it's dry, but then we get a foot or two of rain until it's time to graze and terminate it in preparation for our spring crops.
@2:30 best shot
lol
All jokes aside, I am glad to see clips like this. It makes it seem more down to earth and not so rehearsed. Thanks for the informative videos.
@@derkadeher8369 It’s funny, I attempt to look presentable in videos, making sure I’m not covered in pig manure or something. However, I’m particularly interested in going home, showering, and looking perfect for the camera. It’s not realistic and I try to be as realistic as possible. I do appreciate your levity and humor. Thanks again.
As often as you said cereal rye or was it Rye grass.. Dennis
Plant 40 lb cereal/A alone or in a mix..Dennis 😊
Rye conversation was it cereal rye or ryegrass you prefer and why./Dennis.
lol.
@@DowdleFamilyFarms having trouble backing msgs up....or are ryegrass and cereal rye synonymous. I can get answer over at SEED dealer if I do not hear soon....Dennis
I mainly a milo, alfalfa or wheat farmer and more recently somewhat into covers.
First one 🎉
thanks for watching!