the methodical rotation of the cyclinder roughing is mesmerizing! I could watch that all day. thanks for the upload! my evo x final edition will be getting the Elmer treatment for me too soon I hope, just gotta keep saving my pingas!
I've been a machinist since I was a kid. I think this is a nasty 5x video. I just bought a 2017 lancer and I wanted 5 speed only. it comes with the 4b11. I'm 41. awesome work
Guessing nobody is impressed by the engineer who DESIGNED AND CREATED AND BUILT this machine ... You people are more impressed by the aluminum and the machine that does the precision work but not one second giving props to the designer ...
@@warriortuningacademyinstit1075 If you're after a complete engine, check out our "Rex" engine. We also have a 4b11t billet block available. Please email us for further details!
4:25 Why does it keep spraying coolant even when the drill bit is not yet in touch with the block? Isn't that a waste of coolant? Overall, very satisfying to watch!
The block by itself won't make any more power than a cast 4b11t block of course. But it's much stronger and will support a lot higher power levels than the stock block. Depending on the rpm you want to run, anything from 900-1200hp should be "easily" achievable with the 4b11t platform. With the block definitely being strong enough for even more power than that.
The block would at least! :D Although for super long term durability in highly corrosive usage situations, like road salt year round, the block might need to be anodized.
hey Elmer! Few questions.. Is this billet Aluminum / could it be? And are there stronger billet Aluminum alloys available for the same use? Is it possible to design a billet block like this with liquid cooling passages? What is the lightest possible you could make a liquid cooled (if possible) Cummins 6bt block? (In terms of hp) How much could you bullet proof an engine like this / what kind of max abuse could you design a billet engine to take?
Our current Thor and Rex engines are both full billet aluminum. We use a alloy close to 7075, which is twice as strong as the alloy typically used by others. Our Thor and Rex engines are both fully cooled. We don't have the dimensions for the cummins engine. But we rate our 106kg (long block mass) Thor engine at 1500hp for circuit racing. And should be good for 3000hp drag racing.
@@ElmerRacing hey Elmer! Few questions.. Is this billet Aluminum / could it be? And are there stronger billet Aluminum alloys available for the same use? Is it possible to design a billet block like this with liquid cooling passages? What is the lightest possible you could make a liquid cooled (if possible) Cummins 6bt block? (In terms of hp) How much could you bullet proof an engine like this / what kind of max abuse could you design a billet engine to take?
Same thing do i in a 5 axis but in inconel and waspaloy, who are much much harder and can take much much more heat than the piece in this vid, but my Machine is 5 times bigger. I purchase engineparts to big aeroplaneengines, i purchase the low pressure turbine to big aeroplanesengines , 747,737 A380, Dreamliner. This vid is quite easy to do, but try to do it inconel and waspaloy as we do at GKN AERO. Every part cost 100 000 dollar, before we begin to work in them.
We're 100% set up to machine magnesium. Could make sense for a even better power/mass ratio for our Thor engine. If customers see added value in a even lighter high power circuit racing engine. (already the highest power/mass ratio OEM circuit racing engine ever made)
This is by design with FEM. Taking dynamic loading into account (as of course always has to be done). The test engine is running commercial race pistons, they will certainly not hold for 305bar. We will get around to making our own pistons eventually though. Not at the top of the to-do list at the moment.
Oh, how come not any of the following? Is it by any chance better? I was wondering because i want a good software to do CAD and CAM some day and doing research at the moment. Pretty much a all arounder.
We don't currently have them listed on our webshop. They are still available for order though. But we don't want to post prices here, since that may change in the future. Please email us for pricing, lead time, special requests etc.
Hi, yes. There are multiple companies that offer full billet engines. We're the only one with full billet 4v engine with cooling though. Check out our Thor and Rex engines :)
also if I was to take my evo 10 engine (4b11) engine out for this would all my components be a direct swap fore this block considering I've put 12 grand into it all ready like my knife edge crank,dry sump oil system,ported and polished head with twin scroll turbo set up? I'm seriously interested!?!?
This is a full race block. But it is fully street usable. All stock evoX 4B11T components should bolt directly on. Long term corrosion resistance hasn't been tested though and is really the only potential issue. We give no guarantee for corrosion resistance. Our first test block has been used for two years in racing use (in the dry, wet, and even some snow), and no corrosion issues on that. But it hasn't seen any significant salt. If you live in a "danger area" we could hard anodize the block for very good corrosion resistance. Or you could just monitor the situation, and if light corrosion is detected, spray some protection on the block.
We can use a stronger aluminum alloy, that isn't suitable for casting. And price / design freedom. It would be very expensive to make casting molds for the low quantities of our stronger designs. And it's also relatively easy to do customization for each block we make.
It's not really a open deck. The design we have developed and tested provides the best compromise between cooling capacity, temperature distribution, and cost. Block rigidity and torsion stiffness is very high, much better than other available solutions for the 4b11t. No head gasket problems so far!
@@ElmerRacing The stock block is claimed to be good until 550whp in Evo X. The Dodge Caliber SRT-4 uses a version of this engine. Only 5,000 were made though so I doubt you'll every sell one to any current owners.
ElmerRacing So if I were to order 10 or 20 (using 2 for myself and sell the rest in my country of the Netherlands and maybe rest of Europe) it would be like 25% to 50% more than the 4B? Also, you're probably gonna need a standard block to take measurements off of, would the process ruin the original?
Depending on the design, we might be able to do them at a similar price to the 4B11T. We'd need a stock block to take dimensions from. The block used for measurements can be re-used as stock. Could you send us a e-mail to sales@elmerracing.com for further discussions?
ElmerRacing Will do, I've got a couple of interested parties and I'll contact you once I've got the finances for my own blocks (Just moved houses, so I spent a little more then I expected :P )
Blends? You might be confusing our "budget" components with our top-of-the-line Thor engine. Cost needs to be kept down to be able to offer good products at affordable prices.
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Always wondered how these billet blocks were made. Thank you for sharing
the methodical rotation of the cyclinder roughing is mesmerizing! I could watch that all day. thanks for the upload! my evo x final edition will be getting the Elmer treatment for me too soon I hope, just gotta keep saving my pingas!
We'll be here when you need us!
I've been a machinist since I was a kid. I think this is a nasty 5x video. I just bought a 2017 lancer and I wanted 5 speed only. it comes with the 4b11. I'm 41. awesome work
Guessing nobody is impressed by the engineer who DESIGNED AND CREATED AND BUILT this machine ...
You people are more impressed by the aluminum and the machine that does the precision work but not one second giving props to the designer ...
I can watch this all day :)
Beautiful work fellas! Wow
Engineer porn...
I love how it changes out bits, it's like when a doctor asks a nurse for a scalpel lol
Beautiful! I need one for my X
We have both a stock compatible block available, and a full billet engine, Rex :)
@@ElmerRacing how much for Evo x ?
@@warriortuningacademyinstit1075 If you're after a complete engine, check out our "Rex" engine. We also have a 4b11t billet block available. Please email us for further details!
Just found a reason to start saving
That was amazing 🤙🤙🤙
4:25 Why does it keep spraying coolant even when the drill bit is not yet in touch with the block?
Isn't that a waste of coolant?
Overall, very satisfying to watch!
Coolant is circulated in CNC machines. Of course there is some evaporation etc loss. But that's minimal.
wow 305 bar, equivalent with 4422PSI, that could be used for more than 5000HP
Excellent!
I’ll be in touch soon
Amazing!!
How much power can this block make?
The block by itself won't make any more power than a cast 4b11t block of course. But it's much stronger and will support a lot higher power levels than the stock block. Depending on the rpm you want to run, anything from 900-1200hp should be "easily" achievable with the 4b11t platform. With the block definitely being strong enough for even more power than that.
ElmerRacing so if I use this block with stock 4b11t internals would the engine basically last forever
The block would at least! :D Although for super long term durability in highly corrosive usage situations, like road salt year round, the block might need to be anodized.
@@ElmerRacing that was most definitely a technicality answer ...
Do these get normalized/ stress relieved prior to finish machining? Just curious.
The need for that depends on the alloy used. We don't use those kind of alloys.
hey Elmer! Few questions..
Is this billet Aluminum / could it be? And are there stronger billet Aluminum alloys available for the same use?
Is it possible to design a billet block like this with liquid cooling passages?
What is the lightest possible you could make a liquid cooled (if possible) Cummins 6bt block? (In terms of hp)
How much could you bullet proof an engine like this / what kind of max abuse could you design a billet engine to take?
Our current Thor and Rex engines are both full billet aluminum. We use a alloy close to 7075, which is twice as strong as the alloy typically used by others. Our Thor and Rex engines are both fully cooled. We don't have the dimensions for the cummins engine. But we rate our 106kg (long block mass) Thor engine at 1500hp for circuit racing. And should be good for 3000hp drag racing.
Absolutely incredible... I'm guessing this block is in the $10k+ range?
Pricing and ordering is available on our online raceShop! elmerracing.com/raceshop
some one needs to innovate the internal combustion engine specifically to make cutting easier on cnc's
I want this and just run the most reliable 300hp ever :D
Thor would do that at 5000rpm naturally aspirated!
Not that we don't like overkill here at Elmer Racing, but that could be a little much :D
@@ElmerRacing hey Elmer! Few questions..
Is this billet Aluminum / could it be? And are there stronger billet Aluminum alloys available for the same use?
Is it possible to design a billet block like this with liquid cooling passages?
What is the lightest possible you could make a liquid cooled (if possible) Cummins 6bt block? (In terms of hp)
How much could you bullet proof an engine like this / what kind of max abuse could you design a billet engine to take?
Same thing do i in a 5 axis but in inconel and waspaloy, who are much much harder and can take much much more heat than the piece in this vid, but my Machine is 5 times bigger. I purchase engineparts to big aeroplaneengines, i purchase the low pressure turbine to big aeroplanesengines , 747,737 A380, Dreamliner. This vid is quite easy to do, but try to do it inconel and waspaloy as we do at GKN AERO. Every part cost 100 000 dollar, before we begin to work in them.
So when are we teaming up to make one out of magnesium to see some real weight savings of 10+ kg?
We're 100% set up to machine magnesium.
Could make sense for a even better power/mass ratio for our Thor engine. If customers see added value in a even lighter high power circuit racing engine. (already the highest power/mass ratio OEM circuit racing engine ever made)
305 bar cylinder pressure?!. I find that very hard to believe.
Block and crank are "rated" to that pressure. As much a a race engine part can be rated at all. Maybe "designed" would be more accurate.
How did you guys come up with that figure??. Was it through direct pressure testing or FEM/FEA ?
This is by design with FEM. Taking dynamic loading into account (as of course always has to be done).
The test engine is running commercial race pistons, they will certainly not hold for 305bar.
We will get around to making our own pistons eventually though. Not at the top of the to-do list at the moment.
what software do you guys use? Autocad, fusion 360, Solidworks?
We're using a commercial off the shelf, non-sponsor CAD software at the moment.
Oh, how come not any of the following? Is it by any chance better? I was wondering because i want a good software to do CAD and CAM some day and doing research at the moment. Pretty much a all arounder.
Since we don't have a partnership with the company, and it's a completely off the shelf product, we don't like to mention them or go into details.
You guys still build these ?
We have one in stock at the moment!
How much is it for a 4B11T billet block?
We don't currently have them listed on our webshop. They are still available for order though.
But we don't want to post prices here, since that may change in the future. Please email us for pricing, lead time, special requests etc.
Is it possible to engineer a billet engine with water cooling passages?
(Sorry to have posted two comments, had multiple questions)
Hi, yes. There are multiple companies that offer full billet engines. We're the only one with full billet 4v engine with cooling though. Check out our Thor and Rex engines :)
Oskar FTW
New vídeos please....
fricken awesome
Is that your guy’s normal rapid?
Depends on the toolpath, and what we're machining.
so is this only for race application or is it a viable street engine block
also if I was to take my evo 10 engine (4b11) engine out for this would all my components be a direct swap fore this block considering I've put 12 grand into it all ready like my knife edge crank,dry sump oil system,ported and polished head with twin scroll turbo set up? I'm seriously interested!?!?
This is a full race block. But it is fully street usable. All stock evoX 4B11T components should bolt directly on.
Long term corrosion resistance hasn't been tested though and is really the only potential issue. We give no guarantee for corrosion resistance.
Our first test block has been used for two years in racing use (in the dry, wet, and even some snow), and no corrosion issues on that. But it hasn't seen any significant salt.
If you live in a "danger area" we could hard anodize the block for very good corrosion resistance. Or you could just monitor the situation, and if light corrosion is detected, spray some protection on the block.
ElmerRacing should or will are two different things
Britney Shaw im sure you have youve spent 12 k on all that im sure all that cost big dollars not 12 k wannabe car enthusiasts
@@alycestapleton you're a dumbass
Amazing like to get one of those
We do still make them for special order! Send us a email in case you need one :)
@@ElmerRacing alright thank you
No water pump?
Thor is meant to be used with a ECU controlled external electric water pump for the coolant flow.
Is this thing water cooled.
Yes, it has water cooling ducts. Cooling capacity has been tested in FIA rally cross races with full anti-lag and launch control use!
Does make custom radiators
aaaah an S38B38 built like this :3
What is the advantage of machining from billet, rather than a casting ?
We can use a stronger aluminum alloy, that isn't suitable for casting.
And price / design freedom. It would be very expensive to make casting molds for the low quantities of our stronger designs. And it's also relatively easy to do customization for each block we make.
What's the cycle time? And how many ops?
Something around 15h. Give or take.
Many many different toolpaths :D
ElmerRacing
Awesome
Why open deck?
It's not really a open deck. The design we have developed and tested provides the best compromise between cooling capacity, temperature distribution, and cost.
Block rigidity and torsion stiffness is very high, much better than other available solutions for the 4b11t. No head gasket problems so far!
ElmerRacing wasn't this from a 968 engine? If so make another one so I can put the 4.0 in my 944
@@ElmerRacing The stock block is claimed to be good until 550whp in Evo X. The Dodge Caliber SRT-4 uses a version of this engine. Only 5,000 were made though so I doubt you'll every sell one to any current owners.
Yum
Would you guys be able to make a Billet Toyota 3SGE block?
If so, what's the cost?
It would be doable. But to make it economically feasible, we would need a multiple-block order.
ElmerRacing
So if I were to order 10 or 20 (using 2 for myself and sell the rest in my country of the Netherlands and maybe rest of Europe) it would be like 25% to 50% more than the 4B? Also, you're probably gonna need a standard block to take measurements off of, would the process ruin the original?
Depending on the design, we might be able to do them at a similar price to the 4B11T.
We'd need a stock block to take dimensions from. The block used for measurements can be re-used as stock.
Could you send us a e-mail to sales@elmerracing.com for further discussions?
ElmerRacing
Will do, I've got a couple of interested parties and I'll contact you once I've got the finances for my own blocks (Just moved houses, so I spent a little more then I expected :P )
When EJ20 block for subaru .? So meany people wants this :(
why is the lubricant looks so muddy? you use oil or it is old emulsion? what's the cnc model and manufacturer?
We use a special cutting fluid. Not so good for Videos, but very good for milling.
That is done on our older machine, our Hurco VMX42U.
ElmerRacing in that butter everything works. I do The same in inconel and waspaloy☺️
I honestly thought the max rpm would've been higher...
The engine block is rarely the limiting factor for rpm.
@ElmerRacing then why the need to state that in your specs? 🤔
We did? oops!
wow!!!!
I have an evo even if I had a million dollars I wouldn't pay for that
wanna give me one for "testing" lol
For specific racing purposes it's possible to do data sharing & visibility discounts.
Always good to try!
So they kick EVOs the the grave and out of rally. Then they stick the 4B11T into coopers? Hahahah
Notice they dont do a 4g63...Haha glad I have a 9
pretty crappy blends on your surfacing
Blends? You might be confusing our "budget" components with our top-of-the-line Thor engine.
Cost needs to be kept down to be able to offer good products at affordable prices.