$30 part caused all this damage Wanderlodge bus detroit diesel 8v92TA overheat engine damage
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Some very interesting finds on this project. Something caused 1/2 of the engine to overheat and crack two liners.
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Hey Scott, here's some food for thought. I agree that you had a heat problem on the one side of the engine. However; you need to take into consideration that there is a crossove tube between the thermostat housings. This is to help balance the flow of coolant just in case a t-stat fails for any reason. One of the best ways to determine if the engine was over heated is to locate remove the "fuse plug" in the head if the center of the fuse plug is melted out, the engine was definitely run hot. The fuse plug(s) are located on the exhaust side of the head, above either #2 or #3 cylinder it appears as a 1/8" NPT plug with a straight slot. Remove and have a look. Regards, Tinshack
I also think rebuilding the 1 bank was a good call, given the damage. However, I don't believe the cause of the damage was over-heat. I believe that it was water-diluted oil, from coolant leaking in, through the cracked sleeves. I could be wrong.
Sorry for the trespassers on the property. Might want to add a set of wheels to the swinging end of those gates, the posts aren't going to support the strain very long.
2nd that idea. A pneumatic free tire (solid)work great
How about a 12 gauge double barrel?
Jerry’s voice commentary about Tyler and Scott’s personal repair interaction with the Wonderlodge was just hilarious. Scott and Tyler’s attention to doing repairs right is so commendable and should give customers peace of mind.
Yes! Awesome comic relief. And yes, I agree with the half re build. It would make no sense to do the whole engine. If it were close to being worn out, and one side had damage, that would be a different story.
The worst part of a lack of respect for property is that it bleeds over to the owners. A wise man once said, "Any society that will burn books will eventually burn authors".
When putting in fences with gates we always used a second vertical post to either side of the opening with a solid (another post or heavy section of pipe diagonally between them and heavy galvanized wire wrapped and tightened on the opposite diagonal. This was done to prevent or minimized sagging of the gates over time. Just a thought.
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work!
When I saw the gate post I thought the same thing...live and learn....//
Hey Scott,
Kevin here from Australia.
What a saving for the owner. He has to be happy with that.
✌ Peace
As always, thanks for taking the time to post an update, always nice to know why something went wrong.
That thermostat likely replaced at some point... As Eric O says "just because it's new doesn't mean it's good" Lucky the head didn't crack from being overheated. Rebuilding one bank is getting away kinda lucky.
Shame you had to put the gate up but quite understandable. Mighty Car Mods ended up moving to a secret location because folks wouldn't leave them alone to work.
Perhaps so but they easily gave up the location. Be a bit more circumscpect.
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Scott, I really appreciate your honesty. If I had one of these classic beauties, you and Tyler would be the only team that I would trust with repairs and routine maintenance. Solid team and God bless you all. Stay safe.
Great job! Wow! $12-15k for one side. Incredible.
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So even with 87 gauges on a WL dash there’s not a temp gauge for each bank?
"SNAP ON" the candy store on wheels
Strap on...oh wait wrong place
Strap on🤔 you wish snap on don't sale those. Lover lane might have it in your size matric or standard.🤣😂
@@thehemiolds455 metric or standard either or 👌
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Damn video end right before going into the snap on truck. Must have spent some serious money in there lol
You sir are an honest man !!! And we need more people just like you in this world. As for the naked man ... Fondling himself on your property I hope you exposed him too the people in your community. Everyone needs too know about him.
Good call doing just the damaged side. Being an RV, it will serve many, many years.
If you've got the Snap-on truck stopping at your house, you are either the luckiest or unluckiest guy on the planet.
Jerry has a voice that can convey humour without rancour, The section regarding Scott and Tylers dissasembly was really enjoyable. Only half a rebuild so find the right agency and im sure Jerry can recoup his costs with voice over work. Seriously that thermostat partial fail, is that the origonal or a replacement that failed . Not many miles compared with the usual engines needing attention on this channel.
Good call on the limited overhaul! No need to expend resources needlessly.
The DDEC averages the coolant temperature between the two sensors for the stock dash gauge. I installed temperature sensors, with readout on both heads, along with EGT and radiator coolant outlet temperature readout on my DDEC powered coach. Just a thought to help avoid this kind of event...
Good information! I would think that if you wanted to get by with just one temperature gauge it should be designed to display the highest temperature measured among multiple sensors, not the average.
Scott, nice forensics on the right side of the engine and great clear video. As to the trespassers, way to go. Fence the zero's out. Go to Tractor Supply or Harbor Freight and get several small rubber wheels to affix to the two swing gates to keep them from dragging. That will make it easier for your wife to muscle them open/closed each time too. Take care BGM!
Personally If I were the owner of that Wanderlodge I would take a some of the money saved on not replacing the pistons and sleeves and go a head and consider replacing the all the rod bearing and also install a temperature sending unit and separate gauge for both engines banks as well as exhaust pyrometers on both engine banks. I am a firm believer that the more gauges the better (within reason of course)
anyone that owns one of these motors can make this a preventative maintenance check by checking the head temp on both sides to see if they are the same temp
Did you win the lottery Scott? Snap-on when you absolutely, positively have to have the most expensive tools on the market. (chuckle, chuckle) (I'm gonna be blasted for saying that)
The owner of the Wanderlodge has a most excellent sense of humor given the situation the engine is in. Good for him
Barbed wire will certainly be effective in keeping the NAKED trespassers out...
razor wire is more effective.
Hi if the coolants been hot on that bank replace the coolant pump plastic plate as it bows out then becomes inefficient as the impeller to plastic plate clearance is to big and always fit 170 thermostats with new seals, keep up the good work.
Maybe the sign ought to say Trespassers will be shot on sight. A tad more costly option is to have an audio system the broadcast the sounds of lions in the area and the sign should read Lion Sanctuary, enter at your own risk.
Legally, signs like that indicate "intent".
I'll bet even money, Lance is gonna have "another moment" with that new gate/fence. Nice trailer!!!
Scott
Good evening
Thank You so much for sharing this with Us
It is great that You have so much knowledge about this engines that You are able to solve the problem on a reasonable budget
Thank You
You'd think that the Wanderlodge cockpit with all those gauges would have temp for each bank because they have independent thermostats.
So sorry that you have to keep trespassers out of your property.
I would trust your judgement Scott,,,,good job,,,😍
Nice catch on the t-stat. Personally if the other bank looked perfect I would also just repair what’s needed for a couple hundred thousand miles. It’d be different if you’re talking about 20-30k mile differences.
Sad to hear that Jeep having trespassers but it looks like the Gates didn’t keep that expensive Snap-on truck out.😜
Another great video Scott. Keep ‘me coming.
Mike
Gee, I work for a dealer. I would recommend rebuilding the entire engine and while we are in it rebuild the transmission and the air system and brakes. Oh yeah, I noticed the windshield was dirty and I would suggest replacing it.
If it ain't broke....don't fix it. Nice to see you only doing what "needs" to be done. Most shops would have told him the entire motor needs to be done. PS...good fences(and gates) make good neighbors
Just shows that you can't have enough sensors. I just put a temp gauge on my Skidsteer and found out I've had a leak for ever? Never ran into the over limit but I had no way to see how it was cooling. $18.00 and Ebay later, I do now! It was also a gallon low on fluid. Be nice to put a sensor on both sides of the engine.
Rebuilding half or one hole, we had good luck with this on these 2 stroke Detroits! 👌🤓🇨🇦
BGM better come to Melbourne Victoria Australia and fix the Victoria Police Booze Bus (Drug & Alcohol Testing) Fleet - Whole fleet of new Booze Buses plagued with problems and now off the road again for rectification.
Hey Scott, you need "H" braces at either side of the gate posts or in a little while you will be carrying those gates to open or close them, and that gets OLD very quickly... I really enjoy your videos!
that is a beautiful Wanderlodge, love the colors
You sir make it look so easy.
Great find Scott and Tyler. You guys are "da best."
I hope the owner springs up for the extra $20 for a couple of temperature readouts on both engine banks... The driver's position already looks like a 1950s bomber cabin, so one more dial won't make a difference.
Shame when this happens, thermostat attempts to destroy an engine. Same thing happened to my gas Land Rover freelander.
To be honest most older vehicles temp gauges are there more for entertainment than actual accurate readings lol. Half of them will sit dead centre telling you everything is “just fine” whilst the cylinder head simultaneously boils to death and warps just as mine did. Was a fun weekend rebuilding it.
I always recommend fitting an additional digital numeric read out sensor and gauge on anything that has the ability to destroy itself. Least then you get a warning.
Crazy about the trespassing. The gates are a good idea. 👍
This is the funniest “bleeping” video ever😆😆😆
Interesting neighbors you have there. I'd share the trespassers video on RUclips and maybe he'll think twice next time using your property for his pleasures. Considering where your property sits, I'm actually surprised he drove so far away to do his business when there is a public park just right down the road. Have fun with that old Detroit iron which was one of my favorites until the DDEC-4 S60 I have now came along. Speaking of, after having a six pack installed a few weeks back, and them refusing to replace injector cups, now it has to return to shop, pull the head, and replace all six cups due to anti-freeze leaking down into either cyl-5 or cyl-6. My diesel shop is getting on my nerves but no one else in Indianapolis who know how to work on a Series 60.
All of the bus owners have been missing out on all of the brand new and reman 2 stroke Detroit Diesel engines that the military has been liquidating. My friend bought up 4 8v92ta crate engines and a few Allison ht751 transmission for next to nothing. He was able to get the engines for like $2500 each and the transmissions for like $1000 each. There is just so little demand for them these days.
We had better luck with the Vernatherm thermostat. Beefier, longer lasting! Always good videos 👍😎
Scott may not realise it but he will be expected to shave every day now!!
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Could you install a water temp gauge for the other bank, that way you could catch something like this early?
Hmm my 72 eagle has dual temp gauges, one on each side of the head
Since the heads have separate t-stats, you'd think it should at least have sensors/overheat sensors for both sides.
It looks like there is a sensor right next to the thermostat.
Gauges are great but should also have a blinking light and or buzzer when there is an issue. Who watches every gauge constantly?
Scary trespasser at the end there. Check your wallet. 😁
Yes it could have overheated before and the previous owner s mechanic could have said the left bank needed replacement as a min repair to get going when in fact both sides needed replacement at the prior time. The cleanliness of the piston and rings looks very low mileage imo.
As long as you rebuild the right side and not the wrong side. 🤷♂️😏
I buy my Harry's blades at Walmart. Can't beat the shave and the prices!
The owner should count his lucky stars that he's only rebuilding one side. I'd take some of that shopper's math (I saved $15K!) and check out all the rubber hoses, especially the ones on the air compressor. Those are Achilles Heel on these DDs.
Curious minds want to know what happened with the SnapOn guy, you showed his truck with no comments.
Probably went inside then ran out screaming.... I'm all for spending money on good quality tools, but SnapOn is just insane.
Snap -on, keeping mechanics poor since 1928.
He couldn't compete with Harbor Freight Icon tools
Be nice.
@@joshjablonicky171 ... I bought my over priced garbage once. 50 years ago. Haven't had to spend a nickel on wrenches/sockets/screwdrivers since.
Nothing like a hard days worth of work
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Scott, call the sheriff and have a deputy come out and fill them in on what's going on. Ask them for extra patrol for a while and maybe they can cure this situation. With your vids they might recognise the problem people. Worth a try.
Wow all that head cleaning and u still can see the injector pattern
Tyler looks pretty good with his new haircut.
Harry's makes a fine product.
add a cattle vapper to the fence :) might help :)
Yep it's always the cheapest part failing that causes the largest repair bill, I've lost count of how many times bus companies I've worked for have trashed perfectly good engines cause they were too tight to replace a 50c washer or a $10 belt.
Should have a heat sensor per each side of the engine if that can happen .
Fantastic shave 😎. Great video 😍👌
You would think that if they had two thermostats they would also have two temp. senders.
They have a sensor on that side. But it does not go to a gauge on dash. Computer my guess. Not sure what it’s set to. Had 38 over heat codes stored i believe
Two thermostats on these?!? complicated! I understand the problem with scored cylinders, but what is the effect of scored pistons? of course they shouldn't be scored in the first place, but what problem does it cause? do the scores rub on the cylinder walls, causing more compression loss/oil burning?
also, a 3point post hole digger is the best tool ever!
Heat expands... pistons expand, liners expand and the two meet in the middle. The pistons try to seize and grab and that’s usually what breaks the liners and of course causes the scoring.
Retired Truck driver remembering that the 92 's hated heat even more then the 71's and as Scott said more then once the 6-71 are the best . Scott can you run Jerry's motor without a thermostat or will that screw things
Great job.
normally i would not agree but at 120k miles i say this is a good job.
time to pass along the photos to the local Leos.
12 to 15 THOUSAND dollars to rebuild the other half. I am blown away at the cost. No wonder you’re not rebuilding the good half.
Are you sure that was not just the Tennessee welcoming committee? I'd at least put new rod bearings on the undamaged side.
Dang, guess this almost turned into a hey Lance moment
Would it be wise to run two temp gauges for each bank of cylinders
Thank you Jesus no cracks
dam now he cant play rock paper scissors any more on the big rock lol
Kelly for the win with scissors ✂️ snip
@@BusGreaseMonkey to funny
Was he loosing coolant? I learned a long time ago to change hoses belts and thermostat every 3 to 4 year to avoid failure of these parts and the damage cause by that. Also check fluids at least monthly. You will get an early warning of failures to come.
movin sensors lamps are good too putting up somewhere.hope no tresspassing anymore
The Detroits don’t like overheating at all, they don’t even like incorrect antifreeze
had similar issues on a 6v92 where the airbox drain on that side was blocked
Along come the internet experts who can't afford a rebuild saying you should rebuild the whole engine 😂
Toss up a few "Smile you're on camera" signs too. Anyone out there will be trying to eagle eye the non-existent cameras.
Shouldn’t there a temp sensor to prevent this type of damage? Even if you had to install two additional temp gauges on the drivers position I would think he’d rather spend the extra money instead of going through this discovery ( OH MY WALLET ! ). Just thinking out loud trying to come up with a way to catch a malfunctioning thermostat. One for each head.
Food for thought
in any engine the flow of fluids is not perfectly uniform ( for oil and water).........if there is a lack of flow, the component furthest away or that has some kind of other bias will starve for correct supply enough to fail. Much like how if oil pressure is low, the main bearing furthest from the oil supply point will seize/fail.
LOL, you said "fondling"
Love it! You guys are too funny!
Snap on dealer same as drug dealer he just cost me 1400 yesterday
Have a good day
THE GRUMPY BUS
electrify the barbed wire fence and the gates. Shock the fuckers with no permanent damage. Also a yard lite would help with a motion detector. I have lites on all 4 corners of my house and garage and I live in a suburb.
Atta boy, way to call-out those haters out there !! Stick to the plan ma' buddy !!
Talk about getting your rocks off. *Reference to the trespasser* (Lame joke I know. But I couldn't help it.)
LOL
Yep! If it aint broke don’t fix it.
Make it clear right means right left means left look at the turn signal when you say right in England right is right look at the turn signal, right is right
After ordering the wrong side fender on a car resto and got hit with double shipping, I learned NEVER EVER say left or right side on nothing automotive , it's either drivers side or passengers side on EVERYTHING !!!!!! Never say left or right or it can cost you .
Is that a crack a 9:59? Viewed full screen HD it looks like it could be. May want clean a little better and to look at it with a magnifier.
The valves, hope it is from the wire brush.
WTF is wrong with people?! LMFAO. I laughed too much at that trespasser story; I almost choked on my food. Some people are SO stupid, LOL. Good luck with the fencing, Scott. And another good video.
Spray your fence post tops purple