Very useful review with great insights. I have seen many reviews on the game, but the fact that you guys sit down after the game and specifically talk about the nuances, really opens up the game to others on a new level. I just wanna add to the topic of not looking at your cards that by actually looking at your cards, knowing what you have increases your chances to know what other might or might not have ;)
Kamil' Suleyev Thank you, Kamil, I'm really glad you enjoyed it! Generally when we play games in this group we sit around discussing them afterwards so that's kind of why we decided to go with this format. This was actually the first recording we had made so it's great to hear it still holds up :)
I was rewatching your video and I couldn't agree more with other viewers suggestions to upload your actual play through of the game as a separate video. I think the interactions would be enjoyable to watch.
Wow this is actually a great show idea this is cool because thats what I do and now im assuming everyone else does after u play os talk about it keep up the good work
Really excellent , entertaining video - sold me on buying the game! Subscribed and will definitely use this series to guide future purchases. Good job everyone involved!
Thanks very much! This one was a little rough as it was our very attempt at this, but it's great to see you enjoyed it. Glad to have you as a subscriber!
Enjoyed the show. Good discussion and angles on strategy during game play. Replays were fun to watch. I've subscribed - will be looking forward to the next BGR show. Thanks!
Thanks so much! Apologies for not responding to this 11 months ago when you made it :) My notifications weren't working correctly at the time. So glad to have you as a subscriber!
Without a doubt, the best card combo i've seen is Duke and Captain. Captain can block steal and we used to play a bluff if you open with stealing and then follow with a duke or vice versa
Hi Matt. Great show. I think we would get a lot more out of the discussion if you showed all of the gameplay that the discussion was based on. You can even add the content unedited. Just provide details about when the gameplay ends and the discussion begins to make it easy for us to jump forward.
Jeffrey, what if I maybe put up the full play through as a separate video and released it a few days after the discussion clip? I could then add an annotation during the game play montage that said "To watch the full video click here". Hmm, I'll have to put some thought into that. Thanks for the suggestion!
Board Game Replay I think that adding the full play as a separate video and providing a link would be fine. If I were you, I would not wait a few days, but add the separate video right away. For me personally, I think I would get a lot more out of the discussion if I could see the entire game. Then when people talk about what they were thinking, planning, or feeling, I can comprehend their discussion at a much deeper level.
Not looking at your cards wouldn't break the game, it would actually be disadvantageous as it would take away valuable information from you, and the odds are more likely that you're wrong than right.
At the start of the game, one has a 37.14% chance to have a particular card. So if someone doesn't look at their hand, you should call them on anything they do. Similarly, if someone taxes (claims duke) every time they take a first play, you should call them on it until they stop.
Saw you on watch it played and honestly subscribed before I even watched video. After watching the video I enjoyed it very much. Great job! I like how you almost create a "panel" of reviewers by the end of the play through. Nice to get multiple opinions and strategies all in one video!
Thanks Chris, that's a lot of what we were hoping to show. Give people a good overview of the experience of playing the game and almost "review" it without really reviewing it. Excited to get some more content out for the viewers :)
Hey guys. I have 2 questions: If player A plays an ambassador, and then player B challenges player A. Player A reveals that he does have an ambassador, so now has 1 card not revealed and 1 ambassador card revealed. Does he still draw only 2 cards and then return 2, or does he put the revealed ambassador in the deck and draw one new card and then draw his 2 cards for his action and return 2? (so he drew 3 and put 2 back?) Player C plays a Captain and then gets blocked by player D with an ambassador,and then player C challenges that player D has an ambassador. Player D reveals that he does have an ambassador. Player C looses a card right?
+Adelle Craig For your first question, Player A, would first have to shuffle the revealed Ambassador card back into the Court deck. Then draw a replacement card. Once they had done that, then the Ambassador action takes place (Draw 2 cards, keep any / none that you choose, then shuffle 2 cards back into the Court deck). Question 2, you are correct. Hope that helps! :)
Awesome idea and I think I want to buy this game now as well. I also loved trying to figure out which games you have on your shelf and recognised a few I have myself :) Keep up the good (and hopetully regular) work :)
good videos guys:D May I propose that for each game you do you have 2 videos.One similar with what you do now and also a second one where you show unedited the full gameplay.anyhow keep up the good job :)
Thanks for the suggestion! We've had a few others suggest this as well. Been trying to think of the right way to do this without adding too much production time...We're all pretty busy so it's tough right now! Either way, thanks a lot for watching!
Appreciate the advice Shane, this was something I wanted to mention in the video. I've since set up a MUCH better microphone for us. You'll hear it in the next video soon!
I like he concept guys, and you guys did a good job for your first video. If you can get a better microphone to pick up all 6 people, and maybe ask everyone to speak somewhat loudly that would help. As for the game, I picked up Coup and have played it about 14 times now, it is interesting, but after long discussions with some of my friends on it, there just seems to be something missing from the game. All the strategy in the world/excellent bluffing, can too easily get negated by someone who never lies and draws excellent cards to start the game. Just my 2 cents. Hope you guys keep it up, I'd like to see this format for more games!
Zach, appreciate the feedback! This first video was mostly a proof of concept to see how it all worked out. I totally agree about the audio though, the mic we were using wasn't great! I just uploaded the 2nd episode a few days ago with the new mic as well as some better lighting. Take a look and let me know what you think! We hope to keep making little improvements like this as the show goes on, so keep the suggestions coming! :)
Good job. Came here from Watch It Played and I'll subscribe. I think this is a cool format - just watch out for people talking at the same time. Hope to see many videos like this one.
Thanks for coming to check us out! We'll be looking to record another game session this week and possibly have something up by this weekend...Trying to decide on our next game. We're leaning towards Spartacus :)
I finally got to play this properly. I still don't enjoy the mechanics. If you're about to be assassinated, you claim contessa. If you were bluffing you lose both characters (assassin and bluff). If you have the Duke or you're taking foreign aid, they have the Captain; nobody calls it (since they know you're being honest), the Captain's getting more or equal amounts of money. It's a race to 7 coins; they then just coup you, this has happened a surprising amount.
Sebastien Zander I feel that Cockroach Poker or Sheriff of Nottingham are suitable alternatives ; since Coups about bluffs.. Cockroach Poker even rewards you for seeing that they're telling the truth.
Sebastien Zander I can appreciate your thoughts on this one. Bluffing is the main thing happening in Coup and that's just not for everyone. I definitely agree that Sheriff of Nottingham and Cockroach Poker have a bit more going on in the game, but for the fast set up and play time, Coup does pack in quite a bit of fun for us.
Hey Matt, I really enjoyed the video. In the future, I'd love to hear the 'final' impressions of each member of the group. Looking forward to seeing more & thank you *****
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but this is only limited to 6 players if you have the "standard" version of the game. The Kickstarter version comes with additional cards (with alternate artwork) that allows play for up to 10 people. I haven't played with that many, but it's doable.
You're absolutely right! I didn't mention this and probably should have. At the time I think I wanted to be sure not to alienate any non-kickstarter backers that picked this one up! :)
How many challenges can there be in one players turn!? I mean if one takes an action and one other counterattacks the rest players can challenge these two or only one challenge per round!?
i also subscribed before i watched and i enjoyed it alot. but for people who dont know the games your playing i think it would be good to show maybe a half a game or a few turns so people can get familiar with it and then talk and do clips of the rest of the game. that way we know what your talking about.
Thank you for your feedback! Someone posted something similar on our Infiltration video so it's something I'm definitely taking into consideration for our next game. It's important to me that we can strike a good balance by keeping the content interesting and informative without having to include the full game play through. Thanks for watching!
Captain and Contessa is the best combination. Although it's a big disadvantage when you lose a card. Duke is the most useless, because I claim it most of the time and it is rarely contested unless someone has been using an ambassador a lot. I also really like pretending to not have a captain or ambassador, letting people steal off me and then winning at the end when they try and can't so I end up with more coins and can coup them.
Olivia Scott Ahh yes, thanks for sharing! I love that pretend fake-out as well. I've actually had games come down to someone saying "I can't believe you just did that, I KNOW you're lying since you didn't stop me last turn. They challenge me, and lose. Too funny when you pull something like that off! :)
Board Game Replay Haha, yeah. But I think my favourite is when they try to assassinate me at the end and I've kept a Contessa. If I have two cards at the end, I'll sometimes let them assassinate me once, just so I can turn over a Contessa the second time and see their face :')
Board Game Replay I only do it rarely, just because there are very specific circumstances needed to make sure I'll still win. But it's just so hilarious :)
Great concept. I don't get to play enough to do something like this on a regular basis. One minor suggestion would be to use different transitions for going into the replay and then out of the replay to the after talk. The text at the bottom of the replay was helpful but going back and forth was still a tad confusing when it switched.
Originally I had text that said "Main Discussion" for a brief moment at the bottom after coming back from a replay. I may end up bringing that back in the end. Thanks for the suggestion, and of course, for watching!
Great question! The main reason for this is that we wanted to try and capture the core experience of the game, without having to show much longer game play videos. We hoped our discussion, combined with clips from the highlights would keep the videos informative and more accessible to people wanting to quickly check out a game.
Aw I would have preferred to see the gameplay, at least with this game since it is a bluff game. It let's the viewer play along and guess who is bluffing and who is not.
Really awesome discussion on the game! However, I think it would be beneficial to new players if you has sort of like a dedicated strategy discussion session rather than have it being slipped in here and there. Other than that cool show! :D
I think this would be better if you actually showed yourself playing the game. Surely you could even make 2 videos out of this and double your views or at least get some of them. I only came here to watch gameplay, if you do a review at the end I might be interested but you should really show the gameplay. Especially since you even had the footage and sped it up
Thanks for the suggestion! This is something we've been toying around with over the last year or so. We're just looking for the right way to do it without adding too much editing! Time is pretty limited for me at the moment! :)
against anyone that chooses not to look at their cards it's just a probability problem at that point. It's actually much easier to play against that player I imagine.
Excellent first episode. The only criticism I have is the mic volume during the group time. It's hard to hear everyone without really cranking up the volume or wearing headphones. Other than that, great show!
I don't see how not looking at your cards gives you any advantage. It doesn't extend your options of representing cards. This game is all about (false) information and the only real information you have at the start of the game is your own hand. By not looking at your hand I think you put yourself in a pretty big disadvantage.
***** Yeah, it's been a long since we had this talk but I do agree with you. I think doing that is more just a "not in the spirit of the game" thing than anything else. I'd rather everyone at the table looked at their cards to be on the same page.
Really like the vid. It's great to see gameplay videos where you can tell people are really having fun playing the game and can explain it well.
Thanks a lot Mike, really glad you enjoyed it!
I subscribed so now I have two channels to watch games on thank you for giving me more board game footage to watch.
We're glad to have you, thanks for sticking around!
This is the perfect format for discussing Coup! Nice job, guys!
Thanks Brian!
Very useful review with great insights. I have seen many reviews on the game, but the fact that you guys sit down after the game and specifically talk about the nuances, really opens up the game to others on a new level.
I just wanna add to the topic of not looking at your cards that by actually looking at your cards, knowing what you have increases your chances to know what other might or might not have ;)
Kamil' Suleyev Thank you, Kamil, I'm really glad you enjoyed it! Generally when we play games in this group we sit around discussing them afterwards so that's kind of why we decided to go with this format. This was actually the first recording we had made so it's great to hear it still holds up :)
I was rewatching your video and I couldn't agree more with other viewers suggestions to upload your actual play through of the game as a separate video. I think the interactions would be enjoyable to watch.
Great video. Some one just gifted this to me, I'm very excited to try it out!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Great to hear you've got the game as well. It's certainly a fun one!
Wow this is actually a great show idea this is cool because thats what I do and now im assuming everyone else does after u play os talk about it keep up the good work
Really excellent , entertaining video - sold me on buying the game! Subscribed and will definitely use this series to guide future purchases. Good job everyone involved!
Thanks very much! This one was a little rough as it was our very attempt at this, but it's great to see you enjoyed it. Glad to have you as a subscriber!
Enjoyed the show. Good discussion and angles on strategy during game play. Replays were fun to watch. I've subscribed - will be looking forward to the next BGR show. Thanks!
Thanks so much! Apologies for not responding to this 11 months ago when you made it :) My notifications weren't working correctly at the time. So glad to have you as a subscriber!
Without a doubt, the best card combo i've seen is Duke and Captain. Captain can block steal and we used to play a bluff if you open with stealing and then follow with a duke or vice versa
Hi Matt. Great show. I think we would get a lot more out of the discussion if you showed all of the gameplay that the discussion was based on. You can even add the content unedited. Just provide details about when the gameplay ends and the discussion begins to make it easy for us to jump forward.
Jeffrey, what if I maybe put up the full play through as a separate video and released it a few days after the discussion clip? I could then add an annotation during the game play montage that said "To watch the full video click here". Hmm, I'll have to put some thought into that. Thanks for the suggestion!
Board Game Replay I think that adding the full play as a separate video and providing a link would be fine. If I were you, I would not wait a few days, but add the separate video right away. For me personally, I think I would get a lot more out of the discussion if I could see the entire game. Then when people talk about what they were thinking, planning, or feeling, I can comprehend their discussion at a much deeper level.
I actually understood the game without having to play it.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching! :)
Not looking at your cards wouldn't break the game, it would actually be disadvantageous as it would take away valuable information from you, and the odds are more likely that you're wrong than right.
At the start of the game, one has a 37.14% chance to have a particular card.
So if someone doesn't look at their hand, you should call them on anything they do.
Similarly, if someone taxes (claims duke) every time they take a first play, you should call them on it until they stop.
this game looks awesome can't wait to buy it and review it myself
Saw you on watch it played and honestly subscribed before I even watched video. After watching the video I enjoyed it very much. Great job! I like how you almost create a "panel" of reviewers by the end of the play through. Nice to get multiple opinions and strategies all in one video!
Thanks Chris, that's a lot of what we were hoping to show. Give people a good overview of the experience of playing the game and almost "review" it without really reviewing it. Excited to get some more content out for the viewers :)
Theseus sent me.
Nice video, and the annotation to skip the rules overview was very useful!
Hey guys.
I have 2 questions:
If player A plays an ambassador, and then player B challenges player A. Player A reveals that he does have an ambassador, so now has 1 card not revealed and 1 ambassador card revealed. Does he still draw only 2 cards and then return 2, or does he put the revealed ambassador in the deck and draw one new card and then draw his 2 cards for his action and return 2? (so he drew 3 and put 2 back?)
Player C plays a Captain and then gets blocked by player D with an ambassador,and then player C challenges that player D has an ambassador. Player D reveals that he does have an ambassador. Player C looses a card right?
+Adelle Craig For your first question, Player A, would first have to shuffle the revealed Ambassador card back into the Court deck. Then draw a replacement card. Once they had done that, then the Ambassador action takes place (Draw 2 cards, keep any / none that you choose, then shuffle 2 cards back into the Court deck).
Question 2, you are correct.
Hope that helps! :)
Awesome idea and I think I want to buy this game now as well. I also loved trying to figure out which games you have on your shelf and recognised a few I have myself :) Keep up the good (and hopetully regular) work :)
good videos guys:D May I propose that for each game you do you have 2 videos.One similar with what you do now and also a second one where you show unedited the full gameplay.anyhow keep up the good job :)
Thanks for the suggestion! We've had a few others suggest this as well. Been trying to think of the right way to do this without adding too much production time...We're all pretty busy so it's tough right now! Either way, thanks a lot for watching!
Great video, but just a warning; Jeremy is definitely the prospective serial killer in this group. :)
Appreciate the advice Shane, this was something I wanted to mention in the video. I've since set up a MUCH better microphone for us. You'll hear it in the next video soon!
Nice way of talking about the experience, interesting! 1 more suscriber!
Thanks a lot! Glad to see you enjoyed it...more videos coming soon :)
I like he concept guys, and you guys did a good job for your first video. If you can get a better microphone to pick up all 6 people, and maybe ask everyone to speak somewhat loudly that would help.
As for the game, I picked up Coup and have played it about 14 times now, it is interesting, but after long discussions with some of my friends on it, there just seems to be something missing from the game. All the strategy in the world/excellent bluffing, can too easily get negated by someone who never lies and draws excellent cards to start the game.
Just my 2 cents. Hope you guys keep it up, I'd like to see this format for more games!
Zach, appreciate the feedback! This first video was mostly a proof of concept to see how it all worked out. I totally agree about the audio though, the mic we were using wasn't great! I just uploaded the 2nd episode a few days ago with the new mic as well as some better lighting. Take a look and let me know what you think! We hope to keep making little improvements like this as the show goes on, so keep the suggestions coming! :)
Good job. Came here from Watch It Played and I'll subscribe.
I think this is a cool format - just watch out for people talking at the same time.
Hope to see many videos like this one.
Saw you on watch it played. You sir have earned a subscriber!!! When's the next episode comin out???
Thanks for coming to check us out! We'll be looking to record another game session this week and possibly have something up by this weekend...Trying to decide on our next game. We're leaning towards Spartacus :)
I finally got to play this properly. I still don't enjoy the mechanics. If you're about to be assassinated, you claim contessa. If you were bluffing you lose both characters (assassin and bluff). If you have the Duke or you're taking foreign aid, they have the Captain; nobody calls it (since they know you're being honest), the Captain's getting more or equal amounts of money. It's a race to 7 coins; they then just coup you, this has happened a surprising amount.
Sebastien Zander I feel that Cockroach Poker or Sheriff of Nottingham are suitable alternatives ; since Coups about bluffs.. Cockroach Poker even rewards you for seeing that they're telling the truth.
Sebastien Zander I can appreciate your thoughts on this one. Bluffing is the main thing happening in Coup and that's just not for everyone. I definitely agree that Sheriff of Nottingham and Cockroach Poker have a bit more going on in the game, but for the fast set up and play time, Coup does pack in quite a bit of fun for us.
Hey Matt,
I really enjoyed the video. In the future, I'd love to hear the 'final' impressions of each member of the group.
Looking forward to seeing more & thank you *****
Thanks for watching and for your feedback! Going forward we'll likely be doing something like this.
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but this is only limited to 6 players if you have the "standard" version of the game. The Kickstarter version comes with additional cards (with alternate artwork) that allows play for up to 10 people. I haven't played with that many, but it's doable.
You're absolutely right! I didn't mention this and probably should have. At the time I think I wanted to be sure not to alienate any non-kickstarter backers that picked this one up! :)
How many challenges can there be in one players turn!? I mean if one takes an action and one other counterattacks the rest players can challenge these two or only one challenge per round!?
I liked the show. Solid premise.
Zachary Schlabach Thank you!
i also subscribed before i watched and i enjoyed it alot. but for people who dont know the games your playing i think it would be good to show maybe a half a game or a few turns so people can get familiar with it and then talk and do clips of the rest of the game. that way we know what your talking about.
Thank you for your feedback! Someone posted something similar on our Infiltration video so it's something I'm definitely taking into consideration for our next game. It's important to me that we can strike a good balance by keeping the content interesting and informative without having to include the full game play through. Thanks for watching!
thank you for responding! I look fwd to the next videos :)
Captain and Contessa is the best combination. Although it's a big disadvantage when you lose a card. Duke is the most useless, because I claim it most of the time and it is rarely contested unless someone has been using an ambassador a lot. I also really like pretending to not have a captain or ambassador, letting people steal off me and then winning at the end when they try and can't so I end up with more coins and can coup them.
Olivia Scott Ahh yes, thanks for sharing! I love that pretend fake-out as well. I've actually had games come down to someone saying "I can't believe you just did that, I KNOW you're lying since you didn't stop me last turn. They challenge me, and lose. Too funny when you pull something like that off! :)
Board Game Replay Haha, yeah. But I think my favourite is when they try to assassinate me at the end and I've kept a Contessa. If I have two cards at the end, I'll sometimes let them assassinate me once, just so I can turn over a Contessa the second time and see their face :')
Olivia Scott Ohhh that's a good one, I don't think I've ever tried that one! Maybe my next game... :)
Board Game Replay I only do it rarely, just because there are very specific circumstances needed to make sure I'll still win. But it's just so hilarious :)
I can understand that. Good stuff though. Have you tried the iOS app for Coup yet? It's not super great but can still be fun to play remotely.
Link to skip the rules if you know them... awesome!
Great concept. I don't get to play enough to do something like this on a regular basis.
One minor suggestion would be to use different transitions for going into the replay and then out of the replay to the after talk. The text at the bottom of the replay was helpful but going back and forth was still a tad confusing when it switched.
Originally I had text that said "Main Discussion" for a brief moment at the bottom after coming back from a replay. I may end up bringing that back in the end. Thanks for the suggestion, and of course, for watching!
Why fastforward and skip over all the gameplay?
Great question! The main reason for this is that we wanted to try and capture the core experience of the game, without having to show much longer game play videos. We hoped our discussion, combined with clips from the highlights would keep the videos informative and more accessible to people wanting to quickly check out a game.
Aw I would have preferred to see the gameplay, at least with this game since it is a bluff game. It let's the viewer play along and guess who is bluffing and who is not.
Really awesome discussion on the game! However, I think it would be beneficial to new players if you has sort of like a dedicated strategy discussion session rather than have it being slipped in here and there. Other than that cool show! :D
Thanks for the kind words. I also appreciate the the idea for maybe some deeper strategy discussion. Perhaps sometime we can consider in the future!
I think this would be better if you actually showed yourself playing the game. Surely you could even make 2 videos out of this and double your views or at least get some of them. I only came here to watch gameplay, if you do a review at the end I might be interested but you should really show the gameplay. Especially since you even had the footage and sped it up
Thanks for the suggestion! This is something we've been toying around with over the last year or so. We're just looking for the right way to do it without adding too much editing! Time is pretty limited for me at the moment! :)
against anyone that chooses not to look at their cards it's just a probability problem at that point. It's actually much easier to play against that player I imagine.
Turn on the subtittle and go to 7:50.
Excellent first episode. The only criticism I have is the mic volume during the group time. It's hard to hear everyone without really cranking up the volume or wearing headphones. Other than that, great show!
I think Michelle likes Chris
she does - she likes him so much that she let him marry her best friend lol
My friends and I all claim Duke at the start. Its hilariously annoying.
I don't see how not looking at your cards gives you any advantage. It doesn't extend your options of representing cards. This game is all about (false) information and the only real information you have at the start of the game is your own hand. By not looking at your hand I think you put yourself in a pretty big disadvantage.
***** Yeah, it's been a long since we had this talk but I do agree with you. I think doing that is more just a "not in the spirit of the game" thing than anything else. I'd rather everyone at the table looked at their cards to be on the same page.
Watch It Played send me here... =P o/