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does he need an attorney could he not represent himself he has all the evedence
Is this a repost? I'm pretty sure I've seen this before
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"It's strange and suspicious to want to watch court cases..." I guess the 10 million people that watched Judge Judy every day need to identify themselves to police immediately!
I went in and watched Court proceedings. They were bail hearings. The prosecutor asked if I was waiting for someone, and I said no I'm just watching. Then they left me alone. Lots of people watch Court proceeding. In fact, when I was in grade seven, the whole class went to watch court proceedings. That guy looking for court proceedings was not acting suspicious, but the deputy sure was.
They classify judge Judy tv not law or court.
@@biohazardace You must be fun at parties..
And Court Cam on A&E
I went for a college course. The judge thanked the students for caring to learn. Yep.
"It's *not normal* to be interested in the law!" --Law Enforcement
"Interest in the law is clearly abnormal. Not even one of my coworkers gives a shit about it!"
It was almost physically painful to watch this video. Oof
Law enforcement does not want the public to know your rights or how the justice system works so they can abuse you and your rights without getting caught. The cop at the county building should be fired for his abusive behavior and violating this mans rights. Where does he think it is his building. This type of law enforcement officer needs to be weeded out.
Bull I love to watch trials. It's called learning from experience.
Lawyers and Judges: "Am I a joke to you?"
It wasnt AIMLESS wandering, he found what he was looking for and seated himself civilly and peacefully without any disturbance.
must of felt the dude was lying with not one hearing, the Deputy offended because revealed as a Liar, not his job to lie and claim no hearing.
"civilly and peacefully' while black sitting next to white women!!! HE'S GUILTY!!!...and he must have outstanding warrants...he's black!
Exactly. I've done the exact same thing. I've walked into the public building, and started looking for the appropriate trial that I wanted to watch. It's not unusual at all. Definitely not suspicious.
He should not have to wander if that security F grade choose not to lie, tells the truth and directs him to the proceeding.
@@wvrjl I have gone into more than one courthouse on business and went to 4+ offices before I was done, so I guess I am suspicious. Perhaps one needs to call and get someone on the phone besides mr Fatman(where is his cape?) and find out what trials are scheduled where and when; perhaps they have it posted on a website. Once you find out that information then walk straight into the particula courtroom and have a seat.
"This is a civil trial. You have no reason, really, to be in there."
Law students and lawyers do exactly this sort of thing _all the time,_ for perfectly legitimate reasons. There are also tons of possible reasons why any citizen might want to observe how a civil trial works, and ways that it is different from criminal proceedings, for example.
I also really wish he had pointed out "The only reason I was wandering around was because of your behavior. If you had not lied to me about there being no court cases, and simply told the truth that there was one in this room, then I would have gone straight here to begin with and I wouldn't have _had_ to 'wander around' to find it."
Stumbled across this and had the exact same thought... A requirement of one of my early law school courses was to attend trials... In short, during a couple of those trials, everyone who was a possible juror (which was usually everyone but me) was asked to stand and recite a few words... However I continued to sit, as a result I was usually approached and asked why (by officers)... I simply stated I was a law student attending a trial open to the public (not all are open to the public, usually family court, etc...) and that was the end of it.
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I mention this because I think that such an educational requirement (and the experience gained from such a requirement) is important... Basically, I learned that officers are generally not competent with respect to the weight and authority of the law, are knowledgeable enough to know when to continue engagement or walk away, and that most do not have malicious intent.
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Furthermore, viewing matters from the officer's side, which I still continue to do with all encounters and matters, they almost always have a valid reason for their actions. However, I should qualify this statement and acknowledge that officers are generally not very great communicators... Accordingly, rather than assert the risk present as their training is to raise their voice and state orders to those they are confronting... And, while confidence and authority are important to safety, behaving so prematurely (or unnecessarily) escalates the encounter in a negative direction.
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The problem I see is that law enforcement officers (generally) do not hold a juris doctorate; yet, for some reason, it appears people have an expectation that everyone in law enforcement would possess the skills, knowledge, education, and experience similiar to that of a practicing litigator. Statistically speaking, officer initiated encounters with the public are similar across all ethnic, gender, and age demographics... It is the outcome that is not proportional to demographics... Given that officer initiated contacts are aligned with demographics, and appear to be without prejudice, I would argue that it is the outliers driving conflict and misrepresentation of key information; which is clearly inconsistent with our Constitution, our founders' intent, and basic societal expectations.
@@EarlHaywardoutstanding comment thank you
You missed the point! IF YOU ARE BLACK, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT WITH WHITE FOLK IN OUR COURTROOMS...UNLESS YOU ARE THE ONE BEING TRIED! ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS OR MUST HAVE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS THAT WE CAN ARREST YOU FOR AFTER WE VIOLATE YOUR 4TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND GO THROUGH YOUR POCKETS AT GUNPOINT TO GET YOUR IDENTIFICATION...THEN WE ARREST YOU...THEN YOU GET INTO THE COURTROOM! IF YOU ARE BLACK MAKE SURE YOU FIRST CHECK BEFORE VISITING A SMALL PO DUNK TOWN IN NORTH DAKOTA TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A LARGE KU KLUX KLAN MEMBERSHIP BEFORE MAKING YOUR VISIT...AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE OUT OF TOWN WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN! THE AVERAGE SENTENCING IN THIS TOWN FOR BLACK PEOPLE IS MINIMUM 10 YEARS WORKING THE COTTON FIELDS AND PICKING WATERMELON!
Yes. I've sat in trials that had nothing to do with me, because I wanted to know how the process worked in practicality. Although I did have lawyers asking me if I was with somebody who have been arrested. But once I told them I was just observing, they left me alone.
@@wvrjl If it's not a "closed court", it's not really anyone's business but your own what you are doing sitting watching the court proceedings as long as you abide by the rules of the court. I'm surprised anyone questioned the reasoning behind your being in the courtroom observing the proceedings?
Have a feeling that the deputy was placed at the courthouse for a reason and it wasn’t because of his stunning intellect.
Dangerous for him (an old bull) to be out in the public arena, someone might mistake him for a law enforcement officer.
"We need someone to guard Janitorial supplies - you're the only man we trust!"
they prob hoped he would keep quiet and not cause more problems... farva type+bully.. really pathetic.. hes such a coward...my gods...wonder how many people he shot/took shots at/pulled his gun on, when he wasnt stationed at the court house...
I suspect he's serving out time until retirement and he's no frigging use for anything, anywhere else
No one becomes a cop for their intellect.
He's not in the court for "no reason." He's a curious citizen and wants to learn about the law and court proceedings.
Williston is the best place to go to watch a corrupt legal system. Unfortunately, they are the biggest bullies in turn.
@Julie Z some people do not have the financial means or time for a formal education. If the law students are allowed in to observe why shouldn't anyone. Also, perhaps this man's interest will encourage him to seek a formal education. He was calm and respectful. He would probably make a great judge.
@@DorkVader26 yes, in cases such as that it is understandable and acceptable but I gather the doors were locked or guarded to prevent intrusion? Generally if the doors are unlocked the proceedings are open for observation. I was involved in a hearing where the proceedings were also private because it involved a minor but we were in a room specifically designated for that purpose.
@@DorkVader26 also, I believe the deputy stated that it was a civil case the man was observing not a family court matter. I was a juror in a civil case involving business matters and there were several observers. It was quite interesting and lasted five full days.
no, he wants to find things HE considers wrong.
Deputy: We’re suspicious that you might be acting uncivil in the court room
Also Deputy: **Proceeds to loudly escalate argument right outside the door, prompting someone inside to tell them to walk further away**
Court officer: "I got a big boy down here."
Police arrive: Body cam reveals that the court officer must have ate 3 dozen doughnuts for breakfast, dude probably hasn't seen his own nightstick in 20 years.
The other guys stomach drapes downs over it, probably pisses on his stomach fat. Both were big old fat guys
rofl
That was actually a racist statement. "Boy" from someone like him almost always indicates black man.
@@ItsRossinator he even said he needs backup to feel confident confronting him because he is scared of the “big black man” he is very racist and shouldn’t be in law
It sounded racial to me. Calling a grown man as a "boy" is racist as hell
Can we stop trying to justify "suspicious" activity when it's legal and Constitutional? Everything is "suspicious" when you're ignorant.
Why are you watching this video and taking the time to post a comment?! Seems awfully suspicious to me. I demand your identifications!
When sheeple see something even slightly out of the ordinary they go into full anxiety mode.
Aozora ikr
@@Aozora333 The cops want people living in fear, it's job security. Police work isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs but they justify violating people's rights, sometimes even killing them, because "they want to go home at night". "Report suspicious activity" just means easy money so they can look good and avoid solving crime. It's a pretty messed up system.
@Rechordian It's not just the mortality rate they include injury. There's danger all around us. Consttuction sites are dangerous the entire time they are active. You are more likely to be threatened with physical violence as a gas station attendant or working at a bar than as a cop. And yet somehow the police have people convinced the danger warrants giving up your rights and complying with unlawful orders for the sake of simplicity.
"I let you talk. You're not gonna shush me."
Fucking gold.
Agreed! I was SO glad to see he called out the cop for talking over him.
I like the cop let him talk.
That cop seems emotionally unstable. It's probably not safe for him to have any weapons. Also you can't call someone out for walking the halls of a public building looking for the in session court room after you deliberately mislead them.
"We've had issues in the past" is the lamest, most overused lie that cops use to violate citizens rights. If court's start accepting this as a replacement for reasonable suspicion, Americans' famous freedom is completely toast.
Bruh what famous freedom, I've never seen it served. America is like going to a steakhouse and getting served spotted dick.
If their issues were so bad, why wouldnt they close the building?
I've always liked the "It's for your safety and mine. "
It's never for your safety.
We've had such security concerns we won't allow the public to enter.
For real. And by the way, does the mythical location exist "we've never had any issues here, ever." ? Surely that weasely, water BS applies to literally every square inch of the country.
Absolutely beautiful. He feels scared of the guy and asks for some big boys to come help him. ~When they arrive he transforms into tough guy mode and gets right in his face.
It’s crazy man.. so sad how these dudes let power get to there head
tryany!
@@BeachNMexico Tyranny. There you go. The spelling police will jail you if you do it again lol.
@@humblechops2267 I think @Jesse Tait did it on purpose to distract the spelling police so @Womp 55 wouldn't get caught...
a gang only buck up when they have u outnumbered
This deputy needs to be fired. He was COMPLETELY out of line.
Normally on this channel I would say yes. I think maybe this was a fellow wanting a confrontation
@@salvagemonster3612 I know both of these individuals. You're absolutely correct. This guy is one of two people I know that regularly seek out confrontation for the sake of pumping their RUclips following. While I agree with the narrator's assessment of the situation as it pertains to the interaction, there's no excuse for setting out to cause a scene solely for the sake of a RUclips vid.
@@LiquidJ How does wishing to watch a court proceeding equal wanting to make a video for RUclips? The man didnt even record the interaction?
@@lilonespaz My awareness of this person extends to more than just this one incident. Reading and comprehention are good skills. Generally this guy just seeks out confrontation for the sake of it.
@@LiquidJ i can read and I saw you said you know him but I was sticking to this particular incident that were watching here which wasn't at all what you stated.
The security guard is extremely suspicious, antagonistic, and a bare faced liar plus he fails miserably on the law and yet a totally innocent man who hasn't committed a crime is forced to leave the building because of an over zealous security guard who was on a power trip and couldn't bear someone who stood up to his tyrannical behaviour.
He fails as a human.
Sue!
Lots of big words
Contextual language used well
No filthy words or nasty comments…
I give your comment a 10
I was once ordered out of a civil courtroom by the judge. I was sitting quietly in the back with my partner, who was there for a traffic violation. The judge asked me why I was there, and I said it was to support my partner. She ordered me out anyway, even though there were a lot of people in the courtroom and I was the only one she singled out.
I can only assume it was because my partner was a woman. And this was in Detroit.
Sure
I don’t understand because there is nothing suspicious, nefarious or sexual about two women or two men going to court together.
Deputy Krone to 911 dispatch: "He's big and I'm afraid of him, please send me any available officer! 😨"
Also Deputy Krone once backup arrives: "I'M THE BIG DOG AROUND HERE!"
His mom probably took him to Bennigans later that night to celebrate what a big strong police officer he was.
They're a gang and their colour is Blue
😂😂😂🤣😂😂🤣😂
Ikr
@@ambushbob5383 I lol'd
Law students are encouraged to attend hearings of all kinds.
As do forensic science students. In fact it's often required by one of the modules. At least in the UK.
@@mikoto7693 lol in the Netherlands as well and we weren’t even doing any law related school but just regular high school. We were studying how the justice system works and were expected per 5 students to attend a trial and write essay about it.
@@kayanurshiya3778 Wow, really? I envy your country, I wish mine had basic law classes in high school.
Well I don’t think his jacket said YALE LAW SCHOOL. Maybe Midas muffler?
@@salvagemonster3612 most hearings are open to the public. Regardless of what his jacket says, you have no idea what or why he was there. Whether he is enrolled in Yale or a local community college, morale support for either the plaintiff or the accused or just plain curious. Unless it is specified as a closed hearing the public can attend, to include the Press. And now with the rise of social media, we are all the Press.
Love how one cop is covering up his bodycam. Totally innocuous!
Was it? It couldnt have simply been an accident given it was fairly brief and the only thing that really mattered was the audio, making covering it pretty useless to hide something.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
Oh god it's hilarious how scared he was of this man but as soon as he got a couple cronies behind him he acts like the biggest baddest thing in town
Typical gang behavior.
It's almost like they don't want the general public to understand how court proceedings work
I can see why, it removes the fear the cops can have over the normal folks if we know how to fight off their dumb fake tickets.
They don’t want the public to see how they violate our rights
@@giftedfox4748 The worst thing possible is for everyone to know how "the system works" check out "hidden secrets of money episode 4"
the fact that basic laws arent a manditory class is insane ive looked into alot of shit later on in life but i was taught the laws to the country i live in at all. like what?
@@michaeld1906 at the end of the day our ignorance is their strength. The more you know, the less they can manipulate you.
The only reason it was suspicious was because the security guy lied.
Systemic racism on full display in my opinion. If this had been a white guy I don’t think there would have been any problem whatsoever. Colored people don’t belong in court rooms unless they’re led in, in handcuffs.
@@daviddetorres2667 Be carful calling it Racism when the only thing pointing to it is that the man happened to be black, which doesn’t say much on it’s own.
@@Maltesfilm my observation is based on the aggregate of occurrences where POC are denied basic human rights when it comes to interactions with police officers and access to public places. Being that I am a POC I speak with experience and authority.
@@daviddetorres2667 You speak with experience not with authority. It’s possible there could be a racial element to this, but just because there is a racial problem at large does not mean every case involves racial profiling or racism. We should treat the cops like we want to be treated, innocent until proven guilty.
The problem with always assuming racism or racial biases in cases like this, is at some point the police and authorities will become scared or hesitant to do their job when it involves someone of color, because they don’t want to be labeled as racist. Look at how things have progressed in Sweden, that’s not an ideal situation either.
Yes racism is a problem, but abuse of authority and immunity is, I think, the bigger problem. We should condemn, reprimand, and hold the police accountable for wrongdoings we can prove they have committed, not ones we only suspect them of committing.
@@Maltesfilm my authority to speak to this issue is because I am a POC that has endured the racism in America. Law enforcement should be a more guarded when dealing with POC to avoid being labeled racist. If they have that in mind I think they might eventually drop the inherent racial bias that dominates their interactions with POC. I’m biracial. I’m old enough to remember how my white half treated me and my siblings. I remember having to use colored only restrooms while my white mother was shamed for having dark children. Not much has really changed. POC are still suspect for no other reason than the color of their skin.
"When I am being civil and watching a court proceeding Your Security Concerns Go Right Out The Window" I love this guy....
I used to work at this courthouse & this is hilarious!! They implemented the added security INSPITE of there being very minimal security issues that weren’t personnel induced, at least during the 6+ years I worked here until 2018. The added security was going in as I decided to part ways.
"Given that Mr Collier *aimlessly* wondered the halls of the city building..." - er, how can you know that it was 'aimless'? It seems clear that his aim was to find a trial to observe...that is an aim.
Exactly......
Royce watched the cameras and stepped away from the screen to get this guy.
Also, it was a courthouse. The purpose of which is to have court cases. It was highly unlikely there were no court cases.
He mentioned he was aiming for a court room initially. But when told there were none, he walked around the building without intent to walk into a court room. Sorta close to aimlessly but not quite because while he was told there are no proceedings, he still was taking a tour of the building to better familiarize himself with the surroundings. Sounds like an aim to me. These officers should be fired and claimed there behavior to oppress the constitution is "suspicious". Why would any armed officer intentionally violate the constitution. I also like the guys response that what is suspicious to you is not suspicious to him. He is absolutely right. Here where I live it's almost illegal to call the police. 100% of the time they will state "We did not see it happen, so it's not illegal but you did see you call the police and we can arrest you for it"... and sadly I wish I was joking, and no I am not black, I am white they do this shit to everyone. I cant even walk down the road I live on (in the country) without being stopped and demanded to show ID with no reasonable suspicion (I live in South Bend, Indiana) and if you try and call to report the county police the operator just never answers the phone. And if you try and leave a message with anyone else they generally do not followup.
@@iwir3d i.e. he rightly didn't believe the officer especially since he found one of those said "non-court" OPEN-TO-THE-PUBLIC court proceedings.
It is a sad day in these United States when it is “suspicious” for a citizen to learn about the laws of his land from the source, simply because his fellow citizens couldn’t be bothered to.
Exactly! We're citizens and we should walk around in our public insitutions now and then. Those institutions work for us (theoretically) so it behooves us to check out what kind of job they're doing.
I honestly think the deputy had reasonable cause for suspicion. But working as security in a courthouse, the deputy must have at least some understanding of proportionality, and his actions were in no way proportional to the citizen's "crime".
"crime" is /s, btw.
The williston justice system protects its old ways with excessive force.
His suspicious activity wasn't in the court room. It was walking and wondering the halls all the way to the 3rd floor. Duh!!!
@@drewken7732 Which is legal for him to do. If he was going into areas closed to the public that would be another matter.
Police: "You can't be here."
Member of the Public: "I cannot sit here in the public gallery?"
Police: "No. It's very suspicious behaviour for a member of the public to sit in the public gallery, especially quietly."
I know - INSANE. And to have a second officer backing that is ridiculous, and then to deny him his Constitutional rights!!! SMH.
So clearly nobody ever suggested that police need to actually learn the Constitution and the laws that they're supposed to uphold???
The one response that I wish Mr Collier had provided when confronted about the suspicious behavior about wandering aimlessly from room to room is: "I would not have needed to wander from room to room if you had told me where active trials were that I might observe. Instead you told me that there were no courts in session today, which has turned out to be a false statement. Thus the only reason I wandered aimlessly is because you were not truthful, which I have since found out. I chose not to hold that against you, or confront you about the matter because I am simply here to observe trials in open court, and learn about the process these things go through. Suspicious is why you would lie to a citizen about court being in session."
"it's not normal for people to want to watch a court case"
That is bang up logic. Up there with "if you have nothing to hide let me search you".
Guess he isn't aware of how many popular tv dramas are doing exactly that.
@@berrybestfarmer9614 was just thinking that lol like it’s a while network called court tv lol
Yep it’s no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
Shit, if I had a day off and there was no covid I would. That is interesting.
Plot Twist: He becomes a lawyer, and SUES them himself for OBVIOUSLY violating his rights...How could they NOT vote in his favor?
Police: Why are you here.
Derek: I want to learn more about the legal and court systems work.
Police: We can't be having that. Obey my authoritaaay.
Lol cartman
What if a white young woman walk in and do the same? would they be as hostile?
@@eladzha
Then the officer observing the woman loitering would have been considered suspicious. LOL.
@@eladzha- I bet no. When I did the same thing in Canada, nobody bothered me. Of course, the police aren't quite the tyrants in Canada that they are in the US, although I would say they are far from honest.
I ambled around because I wasn't sure where the court session was, and then I finally stopped and asked somebody and they helped me out. The idea of calling 911, or whatever number he called, to get police simply because the guy asked him where the court proceedings where is RIDICULOUS.
I'm quite disgusted by anybody backing that guard.
I used to go to the courthouse in the city where I lived and just watch trials all day. I was young and had plenty of free time and it was fascinating to watch the cases. Plus sometimes I would see people I knew who had gotten in trouble. It’s open to the public. This man should not have been removed from a public process.
DEFINITELY NOT!!!
Aren't courts SUPPOSED to be open to the public.
The judge should have called the deputy into the court room and threatened him with contempt of court for removing the gentleman from the gallery thus causing a disturbance. If a judge doesn’t want you there they will sure as hell make it known, and clearly that was NOT the case here.
fishroy1997
You have said it. That idiot that called 911 to start trouble; and the two police that came to allow themselves to be used like flunkies for a deranged man...are evil deeds and evil seeds. All planted they will harvest. Just ludicrous behavior.
I mean, that assumes the judge had any idea what was going on. I'm sure they were focused on the trial.
@@chinwenduchinwe586 The cops didn't really have much reason to ID they guy, aside from the deputy's insistence, but they were compelled to evict the guy for trespassing once the deputy demanded it. That is how trespassing works: once a representative of the building issues the trespass, then police have to enforce it.
@@vovin8132 I wouldn't put it as an absolute, but I would fault the man for not focusing on the deputy's attempt to prevent him from observing a public court session BEFORE he began walking around the building negating the claim of suspicion being the basis for removal from the premise. It is up to him to articulate to the arriving officers what happened and not follow every red herring claim put forth by the deputy.
Given the information he and the deputy focused on, I believe the arriving officers acted appropriately, I would give them at least a B, with the only ding being that they didn't inquire more on the passing comment the deputy initially lied or the deputy claiming he had no reason for being there.
@@1SCme None of that matters in terms of trespassing someone. All it takes is a representative of a building to inform of the trespass, and the police have to enforce it. It is not really up to the police to determine if the trespass is fair or not (unless the claim is made by somebody who is not an authority of the property, like say a visiting guest at a house vs the people who actually live there).
However, this specific example is special in the sense that this takes place in a courthouse. The public has the right to be there by default. That being said, there is a common misconception that state property is public property, and there is a huge distinction between the two; just because it is publicly funded doesn't necessarily mean it is owned by the public. And by state, I am referring to the state apparatus/class, not the provincial state regimes of the USA. So technically, security at the courthouse can trespass people and get the police to come and enforce the trespass. This does not mean that the trespass is fair or legal, of course, but it places the onus to prove the reason for the trespass on the courthouse's authority, whom the deputy represents as security, or else it is straight up harassment.
Like the narrator states, if the guy sued the courthouse's authority (which is the American state I guess?), then they would most likely side with him, because siding with the deputy would set massive precedents that would be used to deny the public from being in courthouses in the future. The deputy was obviously being a useless, egotistical prick, but he still had the authority to trespass anyone for any reason, and the practical way to deal with it is making the situation public so the people above him take action to maintain public relations.
I find it suspicious that the security cop lied about court being held that day. If he told the truth, he could have voiced his concerns at the start.
He also pulled the guy out to tell him he has to behave if he’s watching the courtroom. This caused more of a disturbance than him just watching
@@noahbohl2127 Only to then kick him out of the building. Logic flew out the window that day.
Deputy didnt like abnormal folks, no reason to attend so decided the guy had to leave. At last he found someone to bully, probably starved in that building.
@@wildboar7473 NOPE!!! HIS ONLY "OFFENSE" WAS BEING BLACK IN THIS HERE WHITE ONLY TOWN AND EXPECTING TO BE PERMITTED TO SIT WITH WHITE PEOPLE IN THE SAME COURTROOM...UNLESS HE'S THE ONE BEING TRIED AND CONVICTED! MORALE: DON'T VISIT SMALL WHITE ONLY TOWNS IN PO DUNK SOUTH DAKOTA IF YOU'RE BLACK!
Also he wouldn't have had to walk around the building looking in every room
HE GOT ALL BRAVE WHEN HIS GANG TURNED UP 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The initial interactions with the security officer show that he had already determined, without cause or reason, that the man should leave the public building. The officer purposely provided false/misleading information in order to manipulate the gentleman into leaving. There is no reason why the security officer would lie and in fact, his error of commission, not omission, should have resulted in some sort of administrative or disciplinary action. A police officer or other public servant that is shown to purposely lie to the public should be discharged from their duties in the interests of public trust. At no time had the man lied or misled the officer in his intentions but it is clear the officer lacks some degree of ethical or moral behaviour.
This entire encounter would have been negated had the officer been truthful and honest…. Period.
I'm a law student here in Ireland and although our law is very different from the states one of the best ways to learn and understand the judiciary is to view court proceedings in person
facts
Yes! Watching Law and Order is not a way to learn about how the court system works.
Love your dear Ireland. My grandfathers were both born there and great great grandmothers. ❤️
Unfortunately far too many people here in the U.S. think they "know the law" and "know their rights" when they don't know jack shit. Comments on this video and others like it are sufficient evidence to show just how little people know and understand about the police, the courts and the legal system in general. Glad to see more people taking an interest in the law and learning what they can about their legal system so they can go on to (hopefully) educate others.
Absolutely!
This is "our building" that was such a perfect statement
Look at the GUT on this bully Tyrant. Has the gall to call this guy big. If he's big then what are you? Suspicious in the Court. Liars all of them. He must he Hungry. Give him a chocolate bar, oh won,t work still a tyrant
@@andreajames3096 Wrong chocolate should have used snickers.
@@metlhead5413 You're not you when you're hungry. Have a Snickers.
This comment didn't age well... lol
Correction. He said this is MY building!!
When I was in college (in the 70s) I wondered whether I would like to be a lawyer -- so when I had free time I went to a local courthouse and watched trials. I liked it, so I became a lawyer.
He's concerned because the man 'might start something' when the man is sitting quietly, watching a trial. The security officer's behavior is disgusting.
Where is this filmed? Where is it that a deputy doesn't wear a clean uniform in the courthouse? Where do they allow a deputy to look like that while he's on duty? Of course he needs back up. He's so out of shape he couldn't catch a granny in her walker. This is shameful.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He is in contempt of court. He's not wearing the uniform of the day, but instead demeans the courtroom with his filthy golf shirt
He is off duty. That's his side job to support his eating habits. Also, North Dakota doesn't have physical fitness requirements. Required training includes: 60 hours every 3 years, up to 20 can be done online, plus annual firearms proficiency.
Minot, North Dakota, they said it within the first minute of the video beginning.
Tosca Tattertail this is the Williston
Pointing your finger at someone, repeatedly, is a quick way to lose respect.
In the state of Rhode Island, it’s a secondary assault!
It is a quick way to getting your nose punched in.
r0xjo0 took the words out my mouth.
also simply assualt
Its also a good way to get your @$$ kicked. Especially if you wave your finger in their face and accuse them of something they didn't do.
If it was like that in my country, it is inconceivable how many law students would have to be expelled from the courthouses or be considered criminals for studying court processes.
The old you're acting suspicious line
Anyone who's ever been to court in these small towns realizes they quite literally do whatever they want.
Yep. The town where I grew up has traffic court in a Morton building (the City Hall side - the other half is the Fire Department). I sat in traffic court supporting a friend once and the judge arbitrarily decided to throw out half of the diversion fee for everybody present (that or he just forgot to assign it). The city attorney was not very pleased about that and threw a fit, but complied. Really, though, this "court" was only for traffic within the town as we were not the county seat.
Truer words are rarely spoken.
God forbid someone is interested in the legal process and wants to observe.
Sadly true
@Phil Allison I have no problem watching two chess masters play and it's sometimes intriguing to me. And court proceedings are so slow you could probably watch a movie and finish before it ends, so finding out what's being said shouldn't be hard if you study the legal procedure for your jurisdiction.
@Phil Allison Watching is a great way to learn law. Quite literally in every single court case evidence is presented, amendments and circumstance are brought up, and the case is EXPLAINED in court. What the hell do you think a jury is you moron? With your understanding of how court works, each and every case should be determined by a judge... oh wait the judge wasn't there at the situation either so they don't know what's going on. If you go to watch a case, listen to the facts presented by all sides, and understand the outcome of the case based off what was provided in the court of law, then you learned why that outcome occurred, and WOW you learned something!! You are a fool.
Students are assigned to watch court in many instances.
The public servant is too annoying to even comment on.
@@Surely_Robert I’ve had that same comment with so many in this Chauvin case. I’m interested in the case. I have no dog in the fight regarding the outcome, but have had people yelling at me and calling me every name in the book for saying I think Chauvin, like all US citizens, deserves a fair trial. It’s getting quite ridiculous really.
He deserves an A+. Not just an A. He was spot on.
"It's MY building."
"No, it's OUR building."
*soviet anthem plays*
"Soviet Anthem plays"????
He is right. It is the people's building and it is specifically open to the public to watch. And it is his constitutional
right to watch open trials. The only exception is if he creates a disturbance, and he didn't create ANY disturbance. The security guard did! He also lied to him so he had to amble and find the open courtroom himself.
I am most definitely not a sovereign citizen, as I can properly read legal documents. That security guard, and the cop who helped him, were EXTREMELY out of line in kicking him out of court, kicking him out of the building, and trespassing him from the building with no reason for doing so.
This definitely raises some racism issues, unless he kicks everybody out of the building who wants to watch a trial.
I sat on a civil jury. The Judge explicitly said it was a public proceeding and he encouraged the public to attend
“Because people don’t normally do that.” But perhaps we should. We wanna complain about the legal process but nit educate ourselves on it?
I remember my US Government course in high school required us to visit a court room, or city council meeting, or county commissioners meeting.
How many court TV shows are their on TV
@@drewthomas5779 Judge Judy is the one one I recognize as legitimate! lol
@@drewthomas5779 But those shows wouldn't educate any one on criminal cases. As TV court shows are simply arbitration hearings.
@@Lord_Bibulous anyone who thinks tv wannabe courts are real courts is funny. Their "court orders" can't even make a party pay the other, all they can do is pay them money out of the producer's pockets
If I was asked what I was doing there, I'd say I was working undercover investigating corruption in the county legal system.
Mr. Collier probably suspected Deputy Krone's response to his initial question was not entirely truthful, so he began visiting each courtroom looking for one that was in session. He was not "wandering aimlessly" as accused. If the two backup cops had bothered to question Mr. Collier in depth, they probably would have quickly realized that he was a citizen who enjoyed viewing courtroom proceedings. Instead, they chose to blindly support Deputy Krone's view that Mr. Collier's behavior was suspicious. There is so much here that is wrong....
How do we know it is only a civil trial? I mean, the guy who lied to him about any proceedings going on is the same guy who told him it is civil. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the guy who just got done lying to you, may be lying to you again?
Likely so - and "Security Issues" ... please. Everyone who has ever had a locker in high school has dealt with a security issue.
Even if it is a civil trial it is still generally open to the public. I’ve sat in civil trials many times, often there is nobody else there but lawyers. Whenever a judge or court official asks, I would just say I’m observing and have never been asked to leave.
@@realSimoneCherie It's funny that this security guard is so concerned... Most court houses have you scanned for weapons and patted down before you enter the building. (Unless you're well known lawyer working on the case, etc.) Why is this guard so intimidated by a man sitting down watching a court case? Also, why is the security guard lying about court hearings? This means something sneaky or suspicious is going on with this trial. OR the security guard is an ass. Either way, lying leaves more questions than answers. (We all know the real reason why he called the police though...)
never speak to a law officers what you say can and will be used against you in a court of law
Without video/audio proof we don't know whether it was a misunderstanding. "Taking place" meaning in process or scheduled for that day? When did the hearing he attended start?
If Crone deliberately lied, he escalated. If he didn't know, he would be bad security.
3:05 “You’re gunna sit down there, watch, and be civil” ?????? This guy pulled him out of court to tell him to keep doing what he was doing !!!
Its at that moment these officers should have realized what they were dealing with
This! This was all about his ego. Just look at the way he talks to him and waves his finger around at him. The police officers were no better either but I’m not shocked at that. This guy should not be in this line of work.
@@DeezShortzz The old guy was probably a senior cop, so the younger cops would have to just go along with it or face all kinds of BS themselves.
@@DeezShortzz these are the same wild cops who will wrestle people to the ground just to take their ID and freedom away.
@@vovin8132 They don't HAVE to, but that is the current culture of police in our society. It's super unfortunate.
When he called him "boy" I knew everything I needed to know.
Lol he said he doesn't want to deal with a big guy alone when he himself is a big guy.
"What are you doing here"
"Looking for a trial to watch"
He then looks for a trial, finds one and starts watching. So having stated his intention, and carried out that intention, he's "suspicious" because his intention is "not normal"???? How many times do we see law enforcement challenge people to justify exercising their rights? You don't have to justify exercising your rights.
Maybe he should just exercise. He a big boy
And he owed none of that as a free citizen. Nice summary btw
Considering that used to be no big deal before we have half the rights we have today.
And he could’ve directly went to where the court preceding was if this moron just told him instead of lying
I’m not justifying the court officer by any means, but did the victim state he wanted to “watch” a trial or only ask if any were in session? As far as raising suspicion goes, there is a pretty big difference.
The officers definitely handled this wrong, but the guy was intentionally being vague in order to bait the outcome. I know these type of auditors are ultimately good for all of us, but it doesn’t make their behavior any less frustrating to watch. He could’ve ended it anytime if he said “I was just trying to learn more about the law and how our court systems work” and “I was ONLY walking around to see if any trials were in session because you didn’t seem truthful. I honestly thought quietly looking was better than questioning your integrity and causing a scene at the entrance.”
"You're in MY building" ...that security guard (deputy) needs to be educated. I agree he gets a BIG FAT F...hostile, condescending, created the problem. All of your grades are on point.
I lived there for two years, that guy is always in a bad mood.
@@atheistconservative6211 Make a complain about him if he causes trouble.. i would.
7:50 I love how he waited until the cops asked for his ID, then pulled it out and handed it to them when the security guard reached out for it.
“Nearby town of Williston.” This made anyone from North Dakota chuckle.
He went room to room to see if there was a hearing or trial in process. When he found one, he sat in the public gallery.
Exactly, how is that suspicious.. the fact he is quietly seated, after finding the place he wanted to be (and asking if any court was in session).. it doesn’t even warrant a second thought, let alone harassing him over being there.
@@everyhandletaken He could have explained it better, but still, his rights were violated. He needs to go back and see if deputy fatso harasses him.
Gee....are civil court cases held in public tax funded court houses now "Private?"
If only he had seen the active room first, he would have needed to wander.
@@Exchange_IDs Wouldnt
"You're just walking around, like you have some right to see what the building you pay out the ass for looks like...."
"we can't have that here boy! You will obey my athoritah!"
"pay out the ass" you mean 0.002 cents?
@@pengwin_ maybe for you. I pay way more in taxes.
“It’s my building” nope I’m done
“My building!” RIDICULOUS!
Deputy Crone appears to be just someone on a power trip. Calling for backup, and wasting police time. Hope he was fired.
Same, he definitely wasn't tho. Unfortunately, this type of behavior by police isn't punished, its encouraged in our current system.
He was just following orders to keep his job.
I see nothing wrong with the actions taken by security, in this day and age anyone out of place or acting unusual should be questioned and more importantly should expect to be questioned. If this man had bad intentions he placed himself in a high profile place that is a high priority target area. He should expect to be questioned. Suppose he took interest in our school system and wanted to observe children in a learning enviroment
@@jamessands5496 Schools are restricted to outsiders, courts are not. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. You are also saying it is okay for security and police to violate your rights whenever they want for whatever reason. Also, making the excuse "in this day and age" is profoundly ignorant since it is implying that today is somehow more dangerous than a year ago, which statistically is not the case.
@@ryanbarthel5352 both are property of taxpayers just because the security issues in our school system has evolved to its current state does not make them any different from a courthouse built with taxpayers funding .you are getting your fruit mixed up
Seems that if the cop created this whole situation.
He first falsely claims there is no court, prompting Mr Collier to check for himself.
He then claims that the fact Mr Collier continues to check the building is suspicious.
If Crone had have given the correct information from the start the following action Mr Collier took would never have taken place.
AMEN
True
He did and the other two cops did nothing to help the situation. Cops and their whole suspicious activity excuse is so old and tired.
Based on the interaction it sounds like the deputy thought the guy was looking for a criminal court, so he would have been accurate in telling him that there were no cases going. It is also possible the guy was asking about criminal cases going and not civil, so the deputy did not necessarily lie to him (we don't have footage of the original encounter to verify what was said). However, most of the time when you ask if there is a criminal trial or case going and they say no, they frequently will re-direct you to a civil case going on as another way to view a trial. I would have been interested to see what the original interaction involved here because it sounds like the deputy was just being a dick instead of being much more friendly and helpful like he should have been.
@@anonymousrex5207, oh I guarantee he was just being a prick. Most pigs are pricks. It's that, "authority" bullshit going to their heads.
The "court goon" reminds me of Paul Sr. from Orange County Choppers.
❤🧡💛💚💙💜 This is ridiculous! When I was in Junior High School, I used to go down to the Superior court and pick a court room and sit in the back and listen to the proceedings. This is how I learned about what goes on inside a court room, what kinds of cases are heard, and how the various roles of the people in the court conducted themselves. How else are you going to learn? Why would anyone have any justification to call observing a court proceeding suspicious? Suspicious of what? Learning?
You could see the poor guy’s patience wearing out. The deputy just kept escalating the situation and provoking him.
This alone is probably the biggest issue we have right now with policing in the U.S. These police officers escalate confrontations that would normally be simple and easy. This officer could have simply asked why he was here and let that be the end of it. But he was using his own personal bias and ignorance to escalate, basically accusing this man of doing something wrong with no evidence. We have seen this time and time again with bad police interactions. They get all hyped up on adrenaline and emotions and can't back down when they might be wrong or overstepping. aThey amp it all up to make the situation fit their own internal narrative. It has to stop.
@@scottholcomb1190 Hear, hear!
Years of practice and training.
@@scottholcomb1190 The cops have learned that by escalating they are able to create a situation more favorable to themselves and justify their actions.
@@rrussell9731 It's what they are trained to do and until we demand they are trained better and differently this will never change.
If the officer didn’t lie and told him about the court case. He most likely would of went straight to the court room.
@Phil Allison annoy who? Noone in the courtroom asked him to leave
@Phil Allison he was litterally pulled out of the courtroom by the rent a bacon
Exactly he's a liar the tyrant THE PIG HE ATE WANTS OUT.
Because the only way that tyranny works is when people remain ignorant
You are supposed to be allowed to. Used to be common practice
"My building"
"Our building"
"MY BUILDING"
"Our. building."
"mY bUiLdInG"
My what a very smooth brain you have grandpa. It must be like a ball bearing. Metrology technicians borrow it and use it to calibrate precision gages. They handle it with microfiber gloves and put it in a padded box when not in use.
Well done audit spot on
The deputy sounds like he is a drunk, closet alcoholic.
Just going to point that out, the guy is drunk with an attitude....
Statistics show that is highly likely.
@@FurioGiunta-ji4xk If you listen closely he slurs some words, the 911 call as an example
You can tell the boi drinks with his bloated beer belly
Although he is a jerk and needs to retire, that is an unfair supposition
“I’m not going to quote amendments! I’m too busy showing how an extremely out of shape officer needs help to impede your rights! Oh, wait! I think I’m having a heart attack!”
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This shit left me out of breath just like him when he walks 5 steps lmao😂😂
I've had store workers check my receipts. No huge biggie. Sometimes the alarms mess up. Or when I didn't have a car, and had to take things I purchased from other stores, into the next store cuz I was taking a bus or a cab home, they would sometimes check those bags & receipts.
I appreciate the follow up on this story.
I did this a lot in the early 2000's. I wanted to know what was going on in the court house, I wanted to watch the public hearings, and it was air conditioned and my apartment was not. It's not strange at all.
The cop is trying to be a bully when he’s just a shriveled prune.
Just another pos making cops look bad. Had to call and get a couple guys there so he could act tough and bully someone.
Security was concerned because there was someone even fatter than himself in the building.
Shriveled? Dude was anything but shriveled, over stuffed pig more like it.
Probably suffers from Pryonnies Disease.
Same as with the Judge,
pulls a dude out of the courtroom to tell him that he needs to sit in there and be civil? What the hell was he doing other than sitting there silently? I'd be pissed too.
Good job having his attitude corrected
The way this guy was able to argue back with such passion and precision while also remaining calm... he should be a lawyer
99.9% of what lawyers do is reading, research and writing. Being good at arguing is one of the worst reasons people give for wanting to be lawyers.
"It's my building!" - old deputy
"It's my island!" - Stephen of Ireland
"It's my life!" - Jon Bon Jovi
*Fat deputy
“It’s a me Mario” - Mario
"It's my money and I need it now!" - Every US citizen waiting on Congress to get back from vacation and pass the nest stimulus bill.
And it’s now or never!
I don’t wanna live FOREVER!
"Yes it is!" "No it isn't", "Yes it is", "No it isn't!" , "Yes it is", "No it isn't!" , "Yes it is", "No it isn't!" The maturity is astounding.
This guy was a perfect gentleman... gezzz
Lol the guy is scared to approach him without fellow tyrants. When his back up comes he is super tough... pure comedy
Good point.
Or because no way he could detain that guy on his own. But yes you two continue your silly tin foil hat crap. Deputy was wrong but that was the only thing that made sense.
@@robv5834 It's not just that he called for back up. It's that the back up emboldened him to act like a tough-guy.
Monica Casares pretty sure he would act like that either way. Just seems to be him.
@@robv5834 if he was really as badass as he sees himself he would have approached the man himself. It seems to me (obviously I could be wrong) that he is only willing to act in an intimidating manner is because he knows he has back up.
But I am not sure what is so "tin foil hat" about anything that has been said on the thread.
This is absolutely insane!!
@ASD - DOCS You get an A for single-word description of the "justice" system.
Royce is quick to kick people out so he can watch his movies.
Travis Heinze I have to go back and subscribe to you. I got unsub for some reason. You and @ASD-DOCS vids are great 👍
Travis Heinze “I’ll show you my I’d if you show me yours.” Lol. Every video it gets me lol. The last one I watched you was at a library outside I think. Big fan!
This is MY building. Dude was waiting for this moment his whole life
He needs to look a little farther to find an attorney. Any attorney who regularly appears in that court is going to be hesitant to take the case for fear of retaliation.
The cop with the pot-belly looked hostile from the start. You have to be careful with cops like that as they'll try to nit-pick and goad you into giving any excuse for them to arrest you.
I think you have a bias against pot-bellies. This is how all cops behave not just pot-belly cops. Everything any cop says or does is aimed at generating enough probable cause to justify escalating to detainment and arrest.
@@thenightingale7405 You get an A for on-point analysis.
Or try out their new Glock on you.
Hes also a jail guard. They are terrible people.
"I'm here to view court proceedings for educational purposes"
"When you're just walking around for no apparent reason it's suspicious".
I get the feeling that if a lot of cops spent more time LISTENING and less time dreaming up hypothetical reasons to be suspicious, things would go a lot smoother.
Police are trained to look for suspicious behavior and identify potential threats, but this was just going too far. The guy wasn't barging into courtrooms and disrupting proceedings and the deputy could have just as easily observed the guy for a few minutes and verified he was just there to watch a trial before moving on. Confronting the guy over this situation and then removing him from the building is ridiculous... at the very least he could have let the guy go back in the courtroom and watch the trial.
@@anonymousrex5207 Exactly.
I mean, we can all look at anybody on the street and think "Well, he MIGHT be a terrorist" but you can't use that as a basis for deciding how to interact with somebody... especially if they offer some other plausible explanation for their actions.
Cops need to start giving some weight to what people say rather than ignoring it and working on the basis of their own prejudices.
Sure, a terrorist probably IS going to lie about their intentions, which is why cops get paid the big bucks for figuring out the truth by considering whether a person is known to the police, whether they have weapons on them, whether they're acting in a suspicious manner or whether they're carrying stuff they could use in a violent or antisocial purposes.
Royce watches a lot of movies on the job.
Unfortunately, police training teaches them to be afraid of the public and not how to look at things objectively and deescalate situations.
@@ryanbarthel5352 Not quite... the officers definitely need better training on de-escalation and professionalism, but most officers are trained to view things in an objective way during a contact. They are also trained in being hyper-vigilant (not to be afraid) because things can get violent really fast in any situation. Just because you pull over a family of four for a speeding ticket or a broken tail light doesn't mean someone won't shoot you in that vehicle. Police officers are killed every year over a random traffic stop or a routine disturbance call, so unfortunately officers letting down their guard could mean the difference between life and death. That's not the officers' fault, but they definitely should try to remain professional, courteous and do everything they can to keep things calm throughout an encounter whenever possilbe.
@Audit the Audit, said this well, "Security Guard's EGO" was the major problem. The security guard is a moron, it's not your building. Public means everyone, it's everyones building. The sergeant should of quickly said, ok sir, go back to the courtroom and enjoy the trial. Thank You
I am about to handle a civil litigation for my business. I absolutely plan to watch MANY civil trials as part of my preparation.
The irony of there being a sign that states to be quiet, when the security guard wannabe cop/coward is the one that escalated this whole scenario...
The suspect may have looked like an inmate that Royce guarded.
The security guard is a cop
“I got a big boy here.”
Have you looked in the mirror rent-a-bacon?
Good for the CO though, doing his job after the fact on reprimanding him.
"Big boy" is not only referencing his size. It's codespeak as well.
@@akiliachebe it's how bigot inbred cops refer to black people trying to exist.
@@jonlamoreaux1889 racist
@@rasmusgustavsson3426 lmao bootlicker
@@jonlamoreaux1889 you are the one being racist.
"This is my building" said it all
I understand that walking around the building aimlessly is unusual behavior, but it's kind of hard to ignore that he asked if there was court that day and was lied to. And they know that that is the reason why he was walking through the building.
When I was summoned for jury duty but not picked, the Judge invited all the ones not picked to stay and experience the trial.
Judge sounds suspicious
I was summoned too in Texas and there was people watching the trial, it involved a minor too, although I don't know if the minor was there and I didn't stay. I was so relieved to not be picked after being in the building for like 8 hours.
@pacifca nonook Thank you SO much! I really needed that laugh today. Took a screenshot of your comment and am sending it around, it's priceless, you're going viral!
That was unusual, you must have been at a smaller court. I've done 10 tours of jury duty and if we were not picked we were required to go back to the Jury assembly room.
"Is this a public trial o0r not?" "Well, yeah..." Then immediately turn to reenter the courtroom without any other word and let them be prepared to justify to a jury why they stopped him.
This wouldnt be decided by a jury. It would be decided by a judge.
This was shameful and should not have happened!! These extra cops should have said he has every right to sit in court!!!! Just ridiculous that the old man cop should have been retired completely if he had such fear