Because I am a weirdo I have decided to compile all the "Winterisms" I could find. General • Plummets to a _ lead • It’s the economy, stupid. • It’s a disaster! • What a save! • They’ll expect one of us in the wreckage brotha. • Jimmy • The numbers don’t lie, and they spell disaster for you! • 69 nice • 420 blazing it • Lighting the beacon music • Post-Youth jokes • Look at the soo-ply • Winter is 1/3 Zerg/Protoss • 420 blaze it • Technical term • Ladies and gentlemen, we got ‘em. • Dark • May never financially recover from this • Who’s flanking who? • A strong gust of wind away from death • Déjà vu, we’ve just been in this place before • X goes in, X goes out, you can’t explain that • One fish two fish red fish blue fish • As one-sided as a mobius strip • They’re not sending their best (mostly zerg) • Some of my best friends are X • Politely yet firmly asking • An existential threat • Spread - I can’t believe it’s not butter • How the turntables • Massive units such as your mother • X hp Y kills 0 Fs to give Zerg Brenda, Susan, and the rest 1. Arthritis off creep 2. Brood war PTSD 3. Used to fly 4. Knitting needles 5. Queens have to do everything 6. Winter blacks out 7. Brenda bounce 8. GET OFF MY CREEP 9. Can take a pounding 10. Hatchery Owners Association 11. BRENDA NOOO! • Overripe tomato overlords • Emotional support Zergling • Making spire great again • InSpired • Mootas • Changeling impression • Forgetting adrenal glands • Viper “GET OVER HERE!” • Groovy spines • Dronely Fans • Tumors metastasizing • Chiropractor Spine Crawlers • Sporchard • Idra on Ultralisks • Ricky/Sir Richard the (accidental) swarm host Terran • Mule mountain/canyon • Ghosts counter everything zerg • Venn diagram of scans/freedom • Morbitals • The map is dark and full of terrans • Terrain/Terran • Clem’s revolutionary execution of queens • Reaper employee entrance • Mechdonalds • Widow Minecraft • Widow mine prairie dog micro • Ritual sacrifices to mines • Turrets per minute • More CCs than a corporate email • Starcraft: Ghost cancellation • Medivacs slurp • Billy the SCV - job’s finished! • The Destiny Cloudfist fever dream • More base drops than a Skrillex album • A Scandinavia of Vikings Protoss • Protoss don’t have mouths • Immortals (usually not) living up to their name • Extended thermal lance innuendo • Mothership is made of paper • Category V storms • Haven’t invented doors • Snowglobe Sentries • Shrine to Dark • The Double Ds of Destruction (Disruptors & Dark Templar) • Mandatory oracle damage • Moracles • Oracles the Swiss army knife of protoss • Forcefields optimistic at best • The most dangerous forcefields, disruptors • Disruptors are double edged grenades • The Shady Bunch • Throwing shade • 50 shades of glaives • Blunks • Storm: the historical counter to Vikings • The Artosis Pylon, “WHO DOES THAT?” • Probelems • Pylon Efficiency and Necessary Infrastructure Score
I am again amazed at how well your commentary works when I am doing household chores and not watching the screen. You have developed some unique talent!
But slink doesn't imply move fast... maybe Lurch... as in to aggressively move forward suddenly somewhat clumsily? When I think slink, I think Jessica Rabbit trying to seduce some detective slowly walking with exaggerated hip movement.
Winter, you have some of the best hosting skills I've ever seen in broadcasting. I hope they let you host the biggest SC2 tournaments and you get on TV someday.
I want to see colossal ultras. Make them like Colossus where they can climb levels and get attacked by air but can malee ground and air. Like reach up and smash a mothership, cut drones out of the sky. Hahaha. Or just make it ground attack only.
I missed your casts so much Winter. You’re excellent at what you do and my day always gets a little. bit. better. “Brenda where are you going!?!?” 😂 Will always love the Queen banter
Its funny comparing the different takes on the upgrade names, because Artosis was just like, "Just call it Dash, that's what it is!" while Winter is very much anti-dash.
Glad the subscriber count is breaking news. Cannot believe the amazing quality of the broadcast commentary; I don't even play Starcraft 2! I remember when we could fly though.
Silly question, but do Terrans ever do a Banshee attack in the 11th hour like 'Toss do with DTs? Surely it'd be pretty effective to send 2-4 Banshees into a base while the main fight is going down.
Max is really something else. First off I was like how TF does shin have 40 extra supply after Max's really good early game DT shenanigans? and I was like, wow he's dead, Shin is on something else right now, and then his archon micro was PERFECT and he turned the tides slowly until they were even supply and then took over and ended the game. Fucking brilliant. I really wish he did in person tournaments, he's leaving so much $$$ on the table but at teh same time there's something special about a guy who plays for the fun and not the $.
I was previously very concerned that Zergs were only winning 78% of tournaments, but after the most recent round of changes, I am so glad Zergcraft will now likely have a n90% zerg win rate. Very good for the game and to get more viewers. Everybody loves watching zergs win zergcraft.
i love how they buff protoss simply because they have the weakest pro gamers. i love how they nerf terran even though all terrans suck nowadays besides clem. one of the many reasons why maru dropped out and stopped playing. this is ridiculous
You "forgot" to mention that it was Serral who won the tournaments. Take him out of the picture and it is Terran who won most tournaments. But yeah, it is SHOCKING in a combatative game that the by far best player wins tournaments. You should make it that the best player doesn't win anything any longer. That's what these kind of games really need. Because the best winning - that is totally unfair for the others. I am quite sure I know which party you vote for...
@@wedgeantilles8575 what's new another typical Zerg hypocrisy. because Clem finally started winning let's nerf Terran but claims Zerg got nerfed cause of Serral when Reynor Dark and Rogue won just as many
I figured it out. The number of likes at the beginning of the video is based on the number of 'lings shin has to lose before researching Adrenal Glands.
I love seeing Shin really moving up (is it moving up if you are already so near the top - IDK) in things. Always enjoy his games and style. Seeing him polish up the macro and keep the chaos has been a real pleasure
I disagree with removing the Blue Flame upgrade; hellions were supposed to counter zerglings and other light zerg, but now not so much. Make drones heavy if it's too OP.
Okay, how about this one: if Zerg is supposed to use Spore Crawlers to defend against early air, then can we morph Spores directly from larva? You use the same animation that we have for Creep Tumors so that you can build a Spore in a small radius around the larva and give it a cost of 110 minerals since you're supposed to build more of them. Then you don't have to have free supply to build drone that can build a Spore that can defend your drones within the first 6 minutes of the game. I say keep the health low and the attack high from there, but obviously this is a meaningful buff and those might need to get reversed.
i think the new hydras skill must be, the most useless skill i ever saw in my life.. and not because of the skill itself, but for the 0.75 duration.. wtf does that even mean? they can barely reach a medivac when using the speed up skill and even that last much more than 0.75 -.-
EMP is OP, even with ghosts at 3 supply. They should bring back the specters from WoL and split up EMP into one slowish attack that reduces shields while the other decloaks and damages energy.
Cry more easy amove zerg race. Your race has the easiest macro and micro in the whole game. Baby sit race. Tell me how hard a moving planetaries with banelings is.
If you are a zerg player emp doesn't effect you at all. That is like a protoss player complaining about storm. Go watch minecraft. It is better for your iq.
Ok.... it seems that this patch has made TvZ about as frustrating as PvT used to be until recently. Almost makes me think like the supply nerf to ghosts should be reverted and instead something else should be done... maybe Queens could have their Transfuse buffed so that transfused unit takes reduced ability damage for a few seconds (so like damage from Snipes, Storms, Purification Nova, Widow Mine would be reduced). That would give Zerg players a micro-intensive way of soft-countering snipes that can be used from outside of EMP range (unlike Fungal). That would reduce the effectiveness of Ghosts against BLs and Ultras as long as Zerg has a few Queens behind them to Transfuse when they see the snipe indicators.
@@singletrack4956 I'm not saying that the way ghosts worked in TvZ did not need a nerf. It definitely was bonkers that 40 supply of ghosts could eradicate 120 supply of Zerg's top tier units with minimal micro, and the only Zerg unit that could reliably counter the ghost was also hard-countered by the ghost. In that sense this dumb dynamic still exists, it's just more supply of ghosts required. What I meant was to suggest an alternative counterplay for zerg. Something that would reward the Zerg player for good micro and allow them to counter the snipes instead of making ghost weaker. Adding something like I suggested (adding a momentary "spell damage reduction" effect to Transfuse) would allow Queens to mitigate damage that Ultralisks, Lurkers and Broods take from snipes IF the zerg is microing well. If transfuse worked like that, you wouldn't need to nerf the ghost directly, as it would amount to an indirect nerf.
fusion core,if not for do liberators in def or 15 battlecruisers, it not worth it, so do, did the 25 cruisers, can do more, can always upgrade an army with same max supply, as use mules in mass as cannon flesh in first lines
Problem: Zerg is completely safe from any form of attack for five minutes and is allowed to expand to three base with full saturation and there's nothing any race can do about it, even the most committed all ins and tech rushes are routinely stuffed at professional level. They then snowball the economic lead to hive tech, where the best late game spell casters await. The weakness of zerg is their midgame, but that isn't a weakness if you can't be beaten in the early game and are winning so hard economically that you can just skip the midgame. Btw, Shin demonstrated this against Byun, one of the most aggressive Terrans alive, and it wasn't close. At one point he was in a winning position by seven minutes floating huge amounts of money while hive teching and dumping minerals into overlords. He stopped creep spreading by 8 minutes and the game was never in question. Against Serral, Byun wouldn't have been able to re-expand to that front base because Serral would have had creep on it after he smashed it, not to mention the rest of the bases would have been taken across the map instead of floating so much cash. Shin's army control and macro was way worse than either Dark, Reynor or Serral in that endgame, so the gap between a great zerg and the best is even wider than this series suggests. Solution: Nerf queen HP by 40. They still get to be overpowered economic boosters, creep spreaders, and sustain on creep. They just don't also get to absorb literally every possible attack by any of the races, including the mirror, or queen walk professional protoss. Zerg should have to sacrifice economy to make units to be safe from attacks, just like everybody else. I hear a lot about how queens need to be good for anti air reasons, but why do they also shut down early ground pressures if that's the case? If queens couldn't hit ground units I'd understand that logic, but no, queens are perfectly good fighting units in the early game, anchoring each other with that massive HP pool. From all the patch games I've seen, the mineral swap between hatches and queens did nothing to fix the fundamental overperformance of tournament level play. zerg can "turtle" through the early game just fine and force hive tech with minimal investment in lair tech or time spent on midgame compositions, and the other races can't, because a zerg all in/counter attack, at any point, is game ending and they can decide to hit that switch anytime they want, they always have the eco for it. This is definitely a pro only problem too, ladder zergs aren't good enough to pull this off. I think most zergs have to make units to defend, they aren't losing so much of the advantage of the queens because they aren't mechanically good enough to macro and position them while creeping, they take harassment damage and that evens out the power of the queen for greedy zerg builds. As near as I can tell, the three base queen only play is a top GM/pro sort of thing, other zergs are already having to lean harder into ling/bane or roaches for defense.
Your patch could go through if SC2 was brood war and Zerg had actual hydras and decent T1 units. As it is, unfortunately, SC2 is a glamourous imitation so this would do nothing but fuck up the game
I actually think the supply nerf was too much -- but I'm not the one playing. I felt like there are so many things you can do to 'test' nerf ghost's effectiveness given their versatility, i.e. lowering snipe damage, emp projectile speed, auto attack damage, or some combination thereof, before just going for the throat. I actually hate the magic wand stuff for this game like snipes and corrosive bile, too. Just the complete opposite of beautiful marine micro.
@@atifarshad7624 Zerg units have to be. Every unit lategame sans spellcasters is specialized. Corrupters only hit air, Broods only hit ground, lings and banes only hit ground. And it makes sense rewarding the player that is juggling two spellcasters, three different speed ground units plus two more air units. Terran late game isn't about building more tech -- it's about spamming orbital. Playing just one do-it-all spellcaster + building orbitals shouldn't be rewarded. Everything else is automated whether it's medivac healing or Mules or widow mines or even magic wand snipes. I think if you're going to nerf ghost supply, you need to make Terran have a reason to mix BCs/Thors. Perhaps like the mothership, BCs shouldn't be able to be abduct-immune. Maybe neuro parasite duration should be lowered, etc.
I always watch this at night to go to sleep. 😂 I’m definitely a bronze league hero. Actually I think I’m silver in Terran. I’m 30, grew up playing StarCraft on my dad’s pc, the campaign. A few years ago, I realized it was redone and released for free. I love it. I’m just not good enough 😂
Why don't Ultras just walk over allied units, like Colossus? There's probably like 20 foot clearance to that thing's belly, ain't no other zerg unit that can't fit underneath it.
I know that Terrans will scream "UNFAIR! REVERT!", but the second game Shin has 8 bases while Byun is on 4. Macrogame is lost so it makes no sense for the terran to win. They need to start expanding more and don't turtle as they are used to. This is the intent of the patch - everyone to play a more balanced style.
Let me change that, the main issue I see is that Zerg can both move their army faster and counter attack faster, which makes expanding as Terran really difficult, they need more speed and maybe a cheap fast ground transport could be the solution so zerg also has to worry about a quick counter attack if they do an all in like they tend to do right after defending an attack.
@@jakemon4550You know what? Youre right. I cant believe no one has noticed that glaring weakness in Terran. We need like, some kinda vehicle that could _evacuate_ ground units. But quickly, so we need it to have a _boost._ Now is just dead supply, so lets maybe give it a healing ability. Some type of _medical_ ability. And, because it cant defend itself, lets make sure it can fly. Lets call it.....the healextract. No....the flyboost. Nah. Maybe the....medivac? No thatd never work. Oh well. Ill come up with something. Terran really does have so few tools. Truly the hardest race.
I can't believe he killed his own marines instead of throwing them at shin. Even if they did no damage it would get shin to run around and figure out, it would have achieved his goal the same but instead of taking all his time killing marines he would have taken shins time killing marines.
Balance is the sum of the whole, what appears OP, does it result in an OP win rate. We've seen zerg win most tournaments for years, a single terran win this year is hardly unbalanced gameplay. Im worried Terran just been gutted.
Zerg has always been the most dominant race in sc2. At least when protoss whine it for a reason, but zergs always have been winning and they keep on whining about how the game is unfair for them. Even back when their race was super broken they still whined.
or all primary units so marines, zealots and zergling can attack in air too or we invent a unit for protoss might cost just mineral or marines should not be able attack in air too, it unbalance all
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Because I am a weirdo I have decided to compile all the "Winterisms" I could find.
General
• Plummets to a _ lead
• It’s the economy, stupid.
• It’s a disaster!
• What a save!
• They’ll expect one of us in the wreckage brotha.
• Jimmy
• The numbers don’t lie, and they spell disaster for you!
• 69 nice
• 420 blazing it
• Lighting the beacon music
• Post-Youth jokes
• Look at the soo-ply
• Winter is 1/3 Zerg/Protoss
• 420 blaze it
• Technical term
• Ladies and gentlemen, we got ‘em.
• Dark
• May never financially recover from this
• Who’s flanking who?
• A strong gust of wind away from death
• Déjà vu, we’ve just been in this place before
• X goes in, X goes out, you can’t explain that
• One fish two fish red fish blue fish
• As one-sided as a mobius strip
• They’re not sending their best (mostly zerg)
• Some of my best friends are X
• Politely yet firmly asking
• An existential threat
• Spread - I can’t believe it’s not butter
• How the turntables
• Massive units such as your mother
• X hp Y kills 0 Fs to give
Zerg
Brenda, Susan, and the rest
1. Arthritis off creep
2. Brood war PTSD
3. Used to fly
4. Knitting needles
5. Queens have to do everything
6. Winter blacks out
7. Brenda bounce
8. GET OFF MY CREEP
9. Can take a pounding
10. Hatchery Owners Association
11. BRENDA NOOO!
• Overripe tomato overlords
• Emotional support Zergling
• Making spire great again
• InSpired
• Mootas
• Changeling impression
• Forgetting adrenal glands
• Viper “GET OVER HERE!”
• Groovy spines
• Dronely Fans
• Tumors metastasizing
• Chiropractor Spine Crawlers
• Sporchard
• Idra on Ultralisks
• Ricky/Sir Richard the (accidental) swarm host
Terran
• Mule mountain/canyon
• Ghosts counter everything zerg
• Venn diagram of scans/freedom
• Morbitals
• The map is dark and full of terrans
• Terrain/Terran
• Clem’s revolutionary execution of queens
• Reaper employee entrance
• Mechdonalds
• Widow Minecraft
• Widow mine prairie dog micro
• Ritual sacrifices to mines
• Turrets per minute
• More CCs than a corporate email
• Starcraft: Ghost cancellation
• Medivacs slurp
• Billy the SCV - job’s finished!
• The Destiny Cloudfist fever dream
• More base drops than a Skrillex album
• A Scandinavia of Vikings
Protoss
• Protoss don’t have mouths
• Immortals (usually not) living up to their name
• Extended thermal lance innuendo
• Mothership is made of paper
• Category V storms
• Haven’t invented doors
• Snowglobe Sentries
• Shrine to Dark
• The Double Ds of Destruction (Disruptors & Dark Templar)
• Mandatory oracle damage
• Moracles
• Oracles the Swiss army knife of protoss
• Forcefields optimistic at best
• The most dangerous forcefields, disruptors
• Disruptors are double edged grenades
• The Shady Bunch
• Throwing shade
• 50 shades of glaives
• Blunks
• Storm: the historical counter to Vikings
• The Artosis Pylon, “WHO DOES THAT?”
• Probelems
• Pylon Efficiency and Necessary Infrastructure Score
Thank you for your service!
Thank you sir. You are a legend.
Does he say “pervert pillar” (Overlord) or someone else says that?
Your missing 50 shades of glaives
@densai89 Yes he does.
I am again amazed at how well your commentary works when I am doing household chores and not watching the screen. You have developed some unique talent!
starcraft and starcraft 2 audio kinda plays the game in my head.
Same here! I’m folding laundry or even just driving and listening. I have also never played a game of SC2 before lmao
He's one of my go toos when I put a video on while I fall asleep.😂
Exactly this, I clean the kitchen, do laundry, tidy up, all while not needing to see the screen.
Hello fellow adhders lmao but yeah, he is exceptional at telling a story each game.
They should call the Hydra dash ability "Slink". Since they don't have legs and slither, and essentially "Slink" is a shittier blink.
So "Slink"!
I concur
Or Stumble. Like you're walking on the sidewalk and you stub a crack and almost fall down but recover just in time.
But slink doesn't imply move fast... maybe Lurch... as in to aggressively move forward suddenly somewhat clumsily?
When I think slink, I think Jessica Rabbit trying to seduce some detective slowly walking with exaggerated hip movement.
The fact those queens got that far into the Terran base without being asked for their papers is hilarious to me 😂😂
“The Hellions get in, the Camera Man doesn’t”
Beautiful!
"Steve Wondered those tanks!"
Glad you do this with your life, buddy!
I hate watching SHIN play. His inability to get the most important late game upgrade drives me crazy
Dont you just... not watch it then?
Shin tried to confuse byun with changelings while he was loading medivacs at 10:08 lol
You made me laugh so hard with that drone sitting there "uh job's finished" I spit my drink all over the keyboard and desk. Thanks for that LOL
Winter you absolutely killed it with the intro! :D
Winter, you have some of the best hosting skills I've ever seen in broadcasting. I hope they let you host the biggest SC2 tournaments and you get on TV someday.
Slayed me with that “whispers of gold describing my ladder” line
Whispers of gold describing your StarCraft 2 career.
I feel personally attacked
31:06 "Stevie Wondered those tanks"
I can't believe you're gonna go there
and at the same time it was so f'in hilarious 😂🤣
Mowing down your own marines is some real Warhammer-ass shit
I want to see colossal ultras. Make them like Colossus where they can climb levels and get attacked by air but can malee ground and air.
Like reach up and smash a mothership, cut drones out of the sky. Hahaha. Or just make it ground attack only.
The second queen of the “revenge” walk also died a such cinematic fashion 😂 hahahaha I can’t!
I still laugh every time the epic music plays when shin remembers adrenaline glands.
Welcome back Winter! I hope you're feeling better!
Ok Hydra Frenzy is a dumb ability lol... I mean it just looks dumb & doesn't suit them 😂
You're the only person I press the like after being told to. I feel like you earn my like, you really work for it 😅
Thanks for the MaxPax game as well - auto like from many of us
Glad you're feeling better Winter!
Sick. What a performance! Thanks for the incredible commentary, Winter lad!
I missed your casts so much Winter. You’re excellent at what you do and my day always gets a little. bit. better.
“Brenda where are you going!?!?” 😂 Will always love the Queen banter
Shins been showing up big lately! Too bad they reverted the brood lord changes he was looking crisp with the sporechard style
Very excited for SHIN to go 0-5 in the next tournament finals!
Maybe this year he'll make it 1-5! :PPP
Its funny comparing the different takes on the upgrade names, because Artosis was just like, "Just call it Dash, that's what it is!" while Winter is very much anti-dash.
Glad the subscriber count is breaking news. Cannot believe the amazing quality of the broadcast commentary; I don't even play Starcraft 2! I remember when we could fly though.
4:00 my goodness that was some fine corporate speak boy, you should be writing the patch copy
Winter, how do all your friends deal with the fact that you're so much cooler than they are?
38:25
Changelings provoke marauder murder.
@3:38 GET THIS MAN HIS MBA lmao he has earned it
“Stevie Wondered those tanks” winter knows his audience 😅
Silly question, but do Terrans ever do a Banshee attack in the 11th hour like 'Toss do with DTs? Surely it'd be pretty effective to send 2-4 Banshees into a base while the main fight is going down.
This Shin is Byunbelievable....OH!
"Whispers of gold"
Winter not just firing shots at everyone, he's unpinning a grenade and free tossing it like a wedding bouquet
I was missing some good ole Micro Jackson action in life.
Max is really something else. First off I was like how TF does shin have 40 extra supply after Max's really good early game DT shenanigans? and I was like, wow he's dead, Shin is on something else right now, and then his archon micro was PERFECT and he turned the tides slowly until they were even supply and then took over and ended the game. Fucking brilliant. I really wish he did in person tournaments, he's leaving so much $$$ on the table but at teh same time there's something special about a guy who plays for the fun and not the $.
I was previously very concerned that Zergs were only winning 78% of tournaments, but after the most recent round of changes, I am so glad Zergcraft will now likely have a n90% zerg win rate. Very good for the game and to get more viewers. Everybody loves watching zergs win zergcraft.
i love how they buff protoss simply because they have the weakest pro gamers.
i love how they nerf terran even though all terrans suck nowadays besides clem.
one of the many reasons why maru dropped out and stopped playing. this is ridiculous
You "forgot" to mention that it was Serral who won the tournaments.
Take him out of the picture and it is Terran who won most tournaments.
But yeah, it is SHOCKING in a combatative game that the by far best player wins tournaments.
You should make it that the best player doesn't win anything any longer.
That's what these kind of games really need.
Because the best winning - that is totally unfair for the others.
I am quite sure I know which party you vote for...
@ ?
take terran, zerg and protoss out of the picture and the game dimished. that‘s not how it works. you can do better m9.
@@wedgeantilles8575 except thst isn't true. Also if you take out Maru and Clem, Terrans wouldn't win anything either
@@wedgeantilles8575 what's new another typical Zerg hypocrisy. because Clem finally started winning let's nerf Terran but claims Zerg got nerfed cause of Serral when Reynor Dark and Rogue won just as many
I figured it out. The number of likes at the beginning of the video is based on the number of 'lings shin has to lose before researching Adrenal Glands.
"hey guys, my life for Aiur, am I right?" Dies immediately
It's an old joke but it checks out. STill makes me laugh every time 🤣
I love seeing Shin really moving up (is it moving up if you are already so near the top - IDK) in things. Always enjoy his games and style. Seeing him polish up the macro and keep the chaos has been a real pleasure
Thank you for keeping up the great Zerg content!
I disagree with removing the Blue Flame upgrade; hellions were supposed to counter zerglings and other light zerg, but now not so much. Make drones heavy if it's too OP.
Hellbat exist
@@Trattato68 hellbats are dogshit
IDK why they dont just give Ultras the HOTS campaign Abberant Cliffwalk.
When did ultras had cliff walk in hots campaign.
Genuinely hope this patch leads to an army from the entire tech tree when needed. That would be entertaining
Glad you are feeling better great cast
Okay, how about this one: if Zerg is supposed to use Spore Crawlers to defend against early air, then can we morph Spores directly from larva? You use the same animation that we have for Creep Tumors so that you can build a Spore in a small radius around the larva and give it a cost of 110 minerals since you're supposed to build more of them. Then you don't have to have free supply to build drone that can build a Spore that can defend your drones within the first 6 minutes of the game.
I say keep the health low and the attack high from there, but obviously this is a meaningful buff and those might need to get reversed.
Finally, the Ultras actually attack instead of dancing around in the back line
i think the new hydras skill must be, the most useless skill i ever saw in my life.. and not because of the skill itself, but for the 0.75 duration.. wtf does that even mean? they can barely reach a medivac when using the speed up skill and even that last much more than 0.75 -.-
OMG a game where resources lost were almost even. I am in love with this Ghost nerf.
That not how things are suposed to be as zerg can rebuild much much faster.
EMP is OP, even with ghosts at 3 supply. They should bring back the specters from WoL and split up EMP into one slowish attack that reduces shields while the other decloaks and damages energy.
Cry more easy amove zerg race. Your race has the easiest macro and micro in the whole game. Baby sit race. Tell me how hard a moving planetaries with banelings is.
@@aliceborg254 aw poor manchild cant spam snipe and emp to win the game anymore 😢
@@eldendeez6868 Still better than crashing banes into planetaries. At least I have to micro spells. What does zerg do? Amove easy units.
If you are a zerg player emp doesn't effect you at all. That is like a protoss player complaining about storm. Go watch minecraft. It is better for your iq.
it also reduce losts even to zergs, demo you're good strategists
one day, the pros will decide to troll you winter and they will do army ballet instead of fighting each other for 40 minutes.
Ok.... it seems that this patch has made TvZ about as frustrating as PvT used to be until recently. Almost makes me think like the supply nerf to ghosts should be reverted and instead something else should be done... maybe Queens could have their Transfuse buffed so that transfused unit takes reduced ability damage for a few seconds (so like damage from Snipes, Storms, Purification Nova, Widow Mine would be reduced). That would give Zerg players a micro-intensive way of soft-countering snipes that can be used from outside of EMP range (unlike Fungal). That would reduce the effectiveness of Ghosts against BLs and Ultras as long as Zerg has a few Queens behind them to Transfuse when they see the snipe indicators.
Nah ghosts needed to be nerfed
@@singletrack4956 I'm not saying that the way ghosts worked in TvZ did not need a nerf. It definitely was bonkers that 40 supply of ghosts could eradicate 120 supply of Zerg's top tier units with minimal micro, and the only Zerg unit that could reliably counter the ghost was also hard-countered by the ghost. In that sense this dumb dynamic still exists, it's just more supply of ghosts required.
What I meant was to suggest an alternative counterplay for zerg. Something that would reward the Zerg player for good micro and allow them to counter the snipes instead of making ghost weaker. Adding something like I suggested (adding a momentary "spell damage reduction" effect to Transfuse) would allow Queens to mitigate damage that Ultralisks, Lurkers and Broods take from snipes IF the zerg is microing well. If transfuse worked like that, you wouldn't need to nerf the ghost directly, as it would amount to an indirect nerf.
@WhoTheLoL I guess they could do something that like ultra kiten plating reduced damage from abilities by 50%
fusion core,if not for do liberators in def or 15 battlecruisers, it not worth it, so do, did the 25 cruisers, can do more, can always upgrade an army with same max supply, as use mules in mass as cannon flesh in first lines
You sir get an upboat for the whispers of gold joke right off the bat.
started the 1v1 ladder cause i started watching you lol its been going alright tbh
Problem: Zerg is completely safe from any form of attack for five minutes and is allowed to expand to three base with full saturation and there's nothing any race can do about it, even the most committed all ins and tech rushes are routinely stuffed at professional level. They then snowball the economic lead to hive tech, where the best late game spell casters await. The weakness of zerg is their midgame, but that isn't a weakness if you can't be beaten in the early game and are winning so hard economically that you can just skip the midgame. Btw, Shin demonstrated this against Byun, one of the most aggressive Terrans alive, and it wasn't close. At one point he was in a winning position by seven minutes floating huge amounts of money while hive teching and dumping minerals into overlords. He stopped creep spreading by 8 minutes and the game was never in question. Against Serral, Byun wouldn't have been able to re-expand to that front base because Serral would have had creep on it after he smashed it, not to mention the rest of the bases would have been taken across the map instead of floating so much cash. Shin's army control and macro was way worse than either Dark, Reynor or Serral in that endgame, so the gap between a great zerg and the best is even wider than this series suggests.
Solution: Nerf queen HP by 40. They still get to be overpowered economic boosters, creep spreaders, and sustain on creep. They just don't also get to absorb literally every possible attack by any of the races, including the mirror, or queen walk professional protoss. Zerg should have to sacrifice economy to make units to be safe from attacks, just like everybody else. I hear a lot about how queens need to be good for anti air reasons, but why do they also shut down early ground pressures if that's the case? If queens couldn't hit ground units I'd understand that logic, but no, queens are perfectly good fighting units in the early game, anchoring each other with that massive HP pool.
From all the patch games I've seen, the mineral swap between hatches and queens did nothing to fix the fundamental overperformance of tournament level play. zerg can "turtle" through the early game just fine and force hive tech with minimal investment in lair tech or time spent on midgame compositions, and the other races can't, because a zerg all in/counter attack, at any point, is game ending and they can decide to hit that switch anytime they want, they always have the eco for it. This is definitely a pro only problem too, ladder zergs aren't good enough to pull this off. I think most zergs have to make units to defend, they aren't losing so much of the advantage of the queens because they aren't mechanically good enough to macro and position them while creeping, they take harassment damage and that evens out the power of the queen for greedy zerg builds. As near as I can tell, the three base queen only play is a top GM/pro sort of thing, other zergs are already having to lean harder into ling/bane or roaches for defense.
Your patch could go through if SC2 was brood war and Zerg had actual hydras and decent T1 units. As it is, unfortunately, SC2 is a glamourous imitation so this would do nothing but fuck up the game
Winter, how come your video doesn’t look like 1440p resolution even though it “is” 1440p. It looks closer to 1080p (or lower).
My adblocker stopped working and i keep getting ads for 1st aid and survival kits for some reason
Yes, it's Jimmy again!
I'm gonna say something for the first time: I'm a little worried Terran might be too weak now. I'm probably wrong, but yeah.
I actually think the supply nerf was too much -- but I'm not the one playing. I felt like there are so many things you can do to 'test' nerf ghost's effectiveness given their versatility, i.e. lowering snipe damage, emp projectile speed, auto attack damage, or some combination thereof, before just going for the throat. I actually hate the magic wand stuff for this game like snipes and corrosive bile, too. Just the complete opposite of beautiful marine micro.
@@adrenaline98What if there was a 4th race
Honestly, I think Zerg is too strong in lategame. But everyone thinks Zerg is weak unless Zerg wins 100% of the tournaments
@@atifarshad7624 Zerg units have to be. Every unit lategame sans spellcasters is specialized. Corrupters only hit air, Broods only hit ground, lings and banes only hit ground. And it makes sense rewarding the player that is juggling two spellcasters, three different speed ground units plus two more air units.
Terran late game isn't about building more tech -- it's about spamming orbital. Playing just one do-it-all spellcaster + building orbitals shouldn't be rewarded. Everything else is automated whether it's medivac healing or Mules or widow mines or even magic wand snipes.
I think if you're going to nerf ghost supply, you need to make Terran have a reason to mix BCs/Thors. Perhaps like the mothership, BCs shouldn't be able to be abduct-immune. Maybe neuro parasite duration should be lowered, etc.
considering the only terran to actually have any amount of consistent success is just clem
probably
a new rule: hives, on creep, built faster, like 10% faster
best trio for zergs, emp advice: mass of queens, mass of locust, as many devorers
34:20 blinding cloud doesn't prevent snipe??
and micro that well, technically you can have 0 dead if you heal
"80 drones at 6 minites...80 drones!"
... Byun still mining 500+ more
I was hoping to see explosive payload against the Corruptors but alas
I'm glad your voice is better
thank you Winter!
I think Bly Hutch strategy with proxy will become more profitable for the Zerg.
31:05 Stevie Wonder those tanks 😆
New ultras are amazing. We are going to see a LOT of ultras
I always watch this at night to go to sleep. 😂
I’m definitely a bronze league hero.
Actually I think I’m silver in Terran.
I’m 30, grew up playing StarCraft on my dad’s pc, the campaign.
A few years ago, I realized it was redone and released for free. I love it.
I’m just not good enough 😂
I was worried with all the changes I wouldn't get to tune in to see Ghosts freebie snipe units for another 12 months. W H E W
Why don't Ultras just walk over allied units, like Colossus? There's probably like 20 foot clearance to that thing's belly, ain't no other zerg unit that can't fit underneath it.
Serrel IS the hivemind, gods i fell in love with his gameplay
Hydra-Ling-Bane just looks freaking awkward. They used to be fashionably late. Now they're just annoying late.
I know that Terrans will scream "UNFAIR! REVERT!", but the second game Shin has 8 bases while Byun is on 4. Macrogame is lost so it makes no sense for the terran to win. They need to start expanding more and don't turtle as they are used to. This is the intent of the patch - everyone to play a more balanced style.
Let me change that, the main issue I see is that Zerg can both move their army faster and counter attack faster, which makes expanding as Terran really difficult, they need more speed and maybe a cheap fast ground transport could be the solution so zerg also has to worry about a quick counter attack if they do an all in like they tend to do right after defending an attack.
@@jakemon4550You know what? Youre right. I cant believe no one has noticed that glaring weakness in Terran.
We need like, some kinda vehicle that could _evacuate_ ground units. But quickly, so we need it to have a _boost._ Now is just dead supply, so lets maybe give it a healing ability. Some type of _medical_ ability. And, because it cant defend itself, lets make sure it can fly.
Lets call it.....the healextract. No....the flyboost. Nah. Maybe the....medivac? No thatd never work. Oh well. Ill come up with something. Terran really does have so few tools. Truly the hardest race.
@2639theboss-Nobody reading all that scrub,don't worry Terran will move to win early/rush game then we'll hear Zergs cry about that too
@@christianmathew398 Not being able to read isnt quite the flex you think it is. You must be a mech Terran.
@@2639theboss unfunny joke unfunny - i have a feeling youre soyd
my day just got a little bit better :)
Wait I just realized, where the hell are the mirror matches? I've watched dozens of vids and there hasn't been a single one.
Must be the Season of the Zerg
The only channel where I apologize and feel ashamed if I'm asked to hit the like button and haven't already done so 😂
9:26 slideshow medivacs
Clearly Clem was forced to say nerf ghost, serral never said any zerg nerf and just be quiet.
For those who played on the new patch... how is ZvZ?
Whispers of gold perfectly describes my sc2 career 😂😂
When is Jimmy going to stream?
Terran : the online way is back .
I can't believe he killed his own marines instead of throwing them at shin. Even if they did no damage it would get shin to run around and figure out, it would have achieved his goal the same but instead of taking all his time killing marines he would have taken shins time killing marines.
Terran won't win any big tournaments on this patch is it a site where I can bet on this?
Banelings still absolutely stupid zero micro AOE unit
13:36 "the only thing they fear is you"
i guess brenda was old enough to play og doom
Surely we just call the speed hydras lurchers
Balance is the sum of the whole, what appears OP, does it result in an OP win rate. We've seen zerg win most tournaments for years, a single terran win this year is hardly unbalanced gameplay. Im worried Terran just been gutted.
Zerg has always been the most dominant race in sc2. At least when protoss whine it for a reason, but zergs always have been winning and they keep on whining about how the game is unfair for them. Even back when their race was super broken they still whined.
I will wish the fun Cards did not cover up the build order the the top left production tab.
or all primary units so marines, zealots and zergling can attack in air too or we invent a unit for protoss might cost just mineral or marines should not be able attack in air too, it unbalance all
Looks more like hydra ghetto blink.
Love it!!! 🌊