Avon meeting with Marlo and then Avon setting up the meet with Marlo and Sergi are such short moments, but they are easily some of the most important ones of this season. The little interactions in their dialogue, displays not only the way they feel about each other, but the type of chess they're playing. The King Stays the King.
I love how Sergei clearly has respect for Avon because he wasn’t hearing anything Marlo said until Marlo told him Avon was behind him and then Sergei’s whole demeanor changed
Re: the opening scene, yes Lola you are right that is her from the car buying drugs in season 3. Also she is also briefly in season 4 in Andre's store buying something, clearly working as a prostitute at that time. Just some short snippets the show gives us
She shows up in another brief scene later this season for which the actress is not credited as she has no lines. Her story is amazing as it's only 4 brief scenes in the entire series and yet it tells a little story of addiction and redemption in under 8 minutes total. My fave little Easter Egg storyline from the wonderful writers, one of which is the actresses father.
SURPRISE! What a reveal and great writing. The Avon scene is such a shock, because we had not seen Avon since season 3. Marlo and we viewers were surprised.
The way Sergey specified that he’s Ukrainian in season two but literally everyone calls him Russian even having his passport is truly a description of my experience abroad, 10/10
If you're over 50, and born in the U.S. you grew up when the Ukraine was part of the USSR. In 2005, most all adults would view Ukrainian people as Russian.
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but Bubs’ sponsor 13:15 is played by Steve Earl. He had drug problems himself and got clean when he did a stint in jail. He’s also the singer of the opening song for this season and had a pretty successful music career.
If you're sad about having no more Wire to watch there is another show made by the same people and featuring a lot of the same actors (in very different roles) called The Corner. It's short, only 6 episodes, made before The Wire, but in many ways feels exactly like The Wire, just more focused on one particular element. I would highly recommend it, definitely a show that stays with you.
Compared to the Wire, the Corner is ROUGH. I'm not sure if they can handle that much heaviness. Especially when you see the roles some of their Wire favs play over there.
Agree. Not sure why that didn't get more traction either pre or post Wire. Very well made but depressing. Not sure if it can be streamed as it is not very main-stream. I have a DVD of it.
01:03:50 It's OK for him to push because they have been close for 15 months and Bubs trusts him. Bubs needs to progress in his recovery or it will become unhealthy and most likely lead to relapse. Sponsors are also people in recovery, so they have been pushed in the same way themselves.
Well done for recognising the woman speaking at the meeting in the opening scene. She was in the show three times, I think - once buying in Hamsterdam, once in Andre's shop buying some dope and finally in the meeting. It wasn't till my third watch that I noticed this.
Well,when weighed against the actual 100% truth of the Gun Trace Task Force,which David Simon and company addressed in "We Own This City", and all the shit they were into,it doesn't look so ridiculous anymore.
@@wreckingKREW1thank u. Never understood why so many have a problem with this plot when bunnys season 3 plot was also based on truth. Its not that hard to believe in my opinion
@@coiboyify It's one of those things that threw me at first, but then when I re-watched the show for the first time (the first re-watch was so I could get my wife to watch it, and we binged it so I had everything fresher in my mind), I realized it's COMPLETELY within character for McNulty and not nearly as absurd and out of left field as I'd initially thought. I can 10000% see Jimmy doing something like that, and when you factor in they literally started the season showing how the cops manipulate shit to get the result they want (the "lie detector" test), and then you add in that McNulty has been no stranger to lying and manipulating shit in the past... and it's pretty much on brand for the way the show presents both him and some of the tactics used by the BPD.
@@blackkkbuddhasensei6641 YW and thanks. Two things more I'd like to add...one is that it's not anymore "ridiculous" than the real life stories,uncovered countless times,of cops railroading people whom they know for a fact are 100% innocent of the crimes they're framing them for and we see these victims end up serving years,decades even,in jail as a result. Many of them have died in prison for crimes they never committed. And far too often the cops and prosecutors,if they were in on it,who do this get slaps on the wrists for their transgressions. Qualified immunity needs to go. Period. Second,on your statement about Bunny and "Hamsterdam",yeah,as a Baltimorean born and bred I can remember when then Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke advocated for the decriminalization of drugs. Across the board. In 1987. He was jeered and mocked from every corner and now state after state are taking the first steps with legalizing weed. Always loved that Simon gave Kurt a cameo in the episodes where Royce has people in his office debating whether they should get behind this after Hamsterdam goes public.
in the Naked City of Bodymore, nobody goes unnoticed! yes! the Dee Dee girl at the support group started in the series buying an eight-ball in Hamsterdam (S03 E08), then already as a prostitute at Old Face Andre's store, buying cigarettes (S04 E08), now she's a recovering addict like Bubbles...everybody has an arc, even Noah!
@21:24 Last time we heard Milena say "I don't feel good!" was an over Avasarala (Queen!) outfit! Here it's Avon (King!) in prison togs. Avon got presence.
for real, we’ve spent 4 seasons showing how mcnulty is a totally unhinged and unpredictable alcoholic and are surprised when he goes all-out on the chaos when he starts up again full speed lol
On this show, Gus works for Gale (David Costabile). Funny thing, BTW, the newsroom bosses who keep thwarting Gus are based on real life editors that David Simon, the creator of The Wire, had problems with, when he worked at the Baltimore Sun, or "Sun Papers" as they call it in Baltimore. One of these real editors was named Marimow in real life, and that was why Simon named Lt. Marimow that on the show, wanting to get in a dig at his old enemy before he knew if he would get to do a season about the news business. The guy who played Marimow, meanwhile, Boris McGiver, a great character actor, appeared on House of Cards as a news editor, with a very high standard of journalistic integrity, who undertook to investigate and verify another reporter's story about a crooked politician. Kind of funny how it comes full circle.
I'm sure it will come up more on this reaction series as the season goes on, but the guy who plays Scott Templeton is in fact a writer and director who went on to make the film Spotlight, about the Boston Globe doing some actual good journalism. Love to see actors played against type like that.
And also the paradox of kind of being hidden in the dope fiend. Now he has to look people in the eye as a normal person, with all the shit that he's done in the past. That shit will eat people up.
@@monadreher2428 that actually made me realize something. I don't need to ask if you remember "I need to get clean" and Sobotka taking a shift unloading, because I know you do 🥰. It's a little bit the same here too. He needs to get clean. Get some dirt under his nails, do some blue-collar thing, and work with his body to clean his soul kind of.
@@Kaspisify Oh yes I do friend! Vote for Frank Sobotka all day everyday 🙌 And omg that's such a dope comparison! This is why Wire talks are the best talks ❤️
i've seen the show 5 times thru, always good to see new people finding it. i'm tempted to see how you reacted to season 4, which i think is the greatest season of american television. this is as good as tv gets.
I am so beyond impressed that you recognized the girl at the narcotics anonymous meeting. I've watched this series through multiple times, and never picked up on that until like my fourth watch. This show is amazing at so many things, and its callbacks are right near the top of that list. Well done.
"I'm a murder police. I work murders. I don't fuck with no make-believe. I don't jerk shit around. I catch a murder, and I work it." Love Bunk. Probably my favourite character in the show.
This girl is the beginning is one of the lesser known characters in the show and it shows her story from being a junkie then a prostitute and then going to rehab .
@20:55 "...so they can make something look like a murder that wasn't?? What could Jimmy do with that information???" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Uh well.... as a retired cop who participated in around a half-dozen homicide investigations I literally died laughing the first time I watched this episode. It's just so so outrageous. No matter how terribly terribly wrong it is you just have to applaud the limits Jimmy is willing to go to to get something investigated that needs to be investigated (22 murders!).
Yeah and in a sense, I kind of agree with the "the dead men don't care" from Lester. Hell, if my corpse could help hard working murder police get around bureaucratic politicians to get at the guys behind 22 bodies and god knows what else, sign me the hell up.
8:09 Yeah she's a minor character who just appears every once in a while. Unfortunately, I can't find the video about her again, but she appeared in a couple of scenes, for example she was also a customer at old face andre's shop before Kima went in to look at the shop. There's a few other scenes but I don't remember which ones. It's kinda neat, makes the world feel more alive in a way.
She's actually the daugther of Richard Price, a novelist, who himself is seen in the book club scene in season 2! Her name is Genevieve Hudson-Price. Just some random trivia ^^
There are some questionable choices by the writers when it comes to The Wire and this last season isn't great im, but for me i rate it as the greatest show ever because it did what no other series ever did. Really humanize the hood and make it understandable for people from all backgrounds. It influenced the political views of many people.
The Wire reigns at the top for me. Sorry but The Sopranos definitely has a few episodes, moments, characters and character arcs that just didn't always click with me. The Wire was just more consistent throughout the entirety of its run (which just adds more to the achievement considering that out of the two The Sopranos was absolutely HBOs favorite child). Not saying that The Sopranos isn't great as it definitely is but compared to The Wire...I don't see it.
He went by Octavian throughout the whole show tho. And historically, Augustus only added that title later on in his life. Way past during the timeline in the show. I think they're referring to The 100 probably.
I get what you're saying about the media in your country. In USA, we have a similar problem. We have a bipartisan system, and one side of that system pretty much has control of almost all news, media, and information. If you say anything on any of their controlled platforms, if it is something that a certain party disagrees with, or feel is contrary to their agenda that week, what you say is labeled as 'misinformation' and you are censored, or even banned from the platform, sometimes MULTIPLE platforms. MOST public news on television is also propaganda designed to further that agenda. Our first rights as citizens have become a joke in the digital age. Bottom line, no matter what you hear about from our media, believing it is ridiculously stupid no matter where you're getting it from. You're only hearing a fraction of the truth, if any at all.
Lola is right. You see the woman from the AA meeting in Hamsterdam buying drugs and you later see her buying cigarettes from Old Face Andre in his convenience store.
Let's look at Jimmy's resume 👇🏿 - Got Wallace killed asking him to be a witness - Got Bodie killed asking him to be a witness - Is a deadbeat dad - Is a habitual cheater - Is an alcoholic - Constantly commits crimes to catch others committing crimes - is mutilating dead bodies to create murder cases which is not only immortal but highly illegal All this and viewers can't even bring themselves to call Jimmy a bad guy. FUCKING HILARIOUS! The odd thing is we can all easily come to the conclusion that criminals like Marlo, Weebay, Chris, Snoop, Stringer etc are "bad guys" even though they're actually the ones that always get held accountable. They get hunted down by police, thrown in prison, killed on the street etc but the Jimmy's of the world face zero consequences even from the audience. Viewers can always find the nuance and goodness in Jimmy's heart even with all the evidence to the contrary. I wonder why???
I mean there's an appreciable difference between ordering/carrying out several murders to facilitate running a local drug empire and being a deadbeat dad alcoholic cheater. Jimmy didn't intend to get Wallace or Bodie killed, and he definitely wasn't the sole or even primary cause so much as the naive inciting incident. The thing with Jimmy is he's obviously supposed to be a fucked up asshole with a good heart underneath. He's an exploration of someone who could be a good upstanding member of society...except dealing with hierarchical alienation, ineffective bureaucracies, systemic corruption, political plays, etc sparks so much impotent rage and overwhelming hopeless depression in him that he copes with alcoholism, sexual thrill seeking, and being something of a sardonic dick with main character syndrome. The Wire is all about how institutions and systems shape characters. McNulty is no exception. He's not bad or good, he's a sad flawed pitiable man with aspects of both. Context matters.
@@Kadaspala Upstanding member of society? He's a deadbeat dad, serial cheater and alcoholic. He spends all his time working for the biggest criminal organization in the city. The Baltimore police department. That city and that police department let down that community everyday and then after the fact police like Jimmy hunt them down mercilessly and recklessly. He knew talking to Bodie was a no no in the streets. Especially outside in public. He didn't care in the moment because all he cares about is solving a case. The same for Wallace. The same for the mutilated bodies and the other illegal ways he uses to solve cases. There's a difference between caring about the community and caring about solving a case. You don't do those things if you actually care about the community you serve. This dude is the epitome of selfish. Also....YOU LITERALLY JUST PROVED MY POINT! I'm not saying he's a serial killer I'm pointing out that you still can't even call him a bad guy. That's it. You can't even call him on his BS despite the laundry list of misdeeds. This show points out how the system and it's institutions all work together to play a part in the downfall of society. The government, police, schools, media etc all have an equal part in producing the crime we see on the streets but the only ones who get the blame and are called "pathetic" are the people we've already designated criminal. Those criminals have lived a lifetime dealing with the shortcomings of this system and they deal with more trauma and less resources than Jimmy but you don't give them the privilege of nuance and complexity. I'm pretty sure they're depressed too. I'm sure they have rage and turn to addiction to cope as well. NOBODY CARES! The worst Baltimore cops, politicians news outlets etc still get called upstanding no matter their actual track record or how fucked up they actually are.
Are you intimating that it's a race thing alone? Because if it was Bunk, I think people would still find the nuance and goodness in his heart. It's just how people view these things. I'm not saying it's right, but people have always followed along with narrative structures, whereby there's good guys and bad guys. The brilliance of The Wire is that nuance, but sadly it's lost on some people.
@@brownsey1 I never said race is the lone factor BUT yes, race is a huge factor in how Jimmy is perceived. You cannot talk about the Wire or the criminal justice system without talking about race. Race alongside Jimmy's occupation of being a policeman feed into stereotypes society has about who is good and who is essentially bad. You can't compare Bunk to Jimmy because Bunk is not doing the things Jimmy does because he actually has a code/moral conscious which is a big reason we like Bunk. On the other hand Jimmy has literally given you nothing to like but you somehow still come to the conclusion that he is essentially good. Viewers find nuance and complexity to his character that alot of time isn't even there while he continually breaks the law and skirts his personal responsibilities of being a father and husband. Meanwhile a character like De'Londa (Namonds mother) who is admittedly a horrible parent and also gives you no reason to like her but has committed zero crimes is still seen at face value. There is no nuance or complexity given to her character or situation by the audience. That's not a coincidence. Lastly what Jimmy is doing is not only unlikeable it's criminal. Say it with me... JIMMY IS A CRIMINAL!!! The things he is doing actually deserve serious prison time but because he is still seen as essentially good that reality is never actually pondered unlike the "criminals" who are black that we've already deemed essentially bad.
@@Iambigjones I think you're misinterpreted what I said. I'm stating that if Bunk was doing those things we'd still view him in a similar light. We know he doesn't, as he simply doesn't do it in the show, but he's a womaniser, a heavy drinker, and he's been shown to do certain things to make a case that some, our reactors for instance, find distasteful. I actually agree with you about Jimmy. He's a piece of sh*t! It's glaringly obvious upon a rewatch how morally corrupt he is. He definitely has a good heart to a point, but it's lost in his ego to be the smartest in the room. I also agree about the race aspect, but I asked about race alone because I wasn't sure if that was your angle. I don't think it's all down to race with Jimmy. As I said, I believe if it was Bunk doing similar people would react the same, but there's an inherent racial aspect to how some view things in the show.
Honestly, this is my least favorite season of The Wire for this exact episode. Just the whole thing that Jimmy does and what it leads to in later episodes.
I liked it. but honestly i feel like these type of comments influence the reactors expereince with the show. a bit of sneak spoiling. I put it in the same category as people who comment "oh you're gonna love/hate this character"
Nope, no weak plot line, there's countless cases in history, especially since the 80s, of cops manufacturing murders/cases and this is as real as it gets. The serial killer angle might be dramatization but so is Hamsterdam in season 3. What The Wire does is showing how something would happen if it actually happened. It did so multiple times. You have no critical skills if you think this is a weak plot line when it's PERFECTLY written and obsessively researched. Season 5 is a masterpiece and just as relevant as season 4. Even more so these days.@@albertocruz5032
So, in approximately two months, Lola & Milena will be starting (here) and new show with actual human beings in the cast? Have they said what it will be? 🎉
Avon meeting with Marlo and then Avon setting up the meet with Marlo and Sergi are such short moments, but they are easily some of the most important ones of this season. The little interactions in their dialogue, displays not only the way they feel about each other, but the type of chess they're playing. The King Stays the King.
Very inpactful scene and a nice surprise seeing Avon again.
I love how Sergei clearly has respect for Avon because he wasn’t hearing anything Marlo said until Marlo told him Avon was behind him and then Sergei’s whole demeanor changed
Re: the opening scene, yes Lola you are right that is her from the car buying drugs in season 3. Also she is also briefly in season 4 in Andre's store buying something, clearly working as a prostitute at that time. Just some short snippets the show gives us
I wouldn't be surprised if she was related to one of the characters or guys behind the scenes to be an extra with an unspoken storyline.
this is correct. daughter of one o the show's producers. Character name is Dee Dee ruclips.net/video/jHYAAR1fl58/видео.html@@904TallerTim
@@904TallerTimher dad is Richard price, one of the writers
She shows up in another brief scene later this season for which the actress is not credited as she has no lines. Her story is amazing as it's only 4 brief scenes in the entire series and yet it tells a little story of addiction and redemption in under 8 minutes total. My fave little Easter Egg storyline from the wonderful writers, one of which is the actresses father.
@@thememdude I agree 100%
SURPRISE! What a reveal and great writing. The Avon scene is such a shock, because we had not seen Avon since season 3. Marlo and we viewers were surprised.
The way Sergey specified that he’s Ukrainian in season two but literally everyone calls him Russian even having his passport is truly a description of my experience abroad, 10/10
Sorry you have to go through that, Boris. That sucks.
If you're over 50, and born in the U.S. you grew up when the Ukraine was part of the USSR. In 2005, most all adults would view Ukrainian people as Russian.
@@mikedbigame3398 Well, until the last couple of years at least
"Why is it always Boris?"
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but Bubs’ sponsor 13:15 is played by Steve Earl. He had drug problems himself and got clean when he did a stint in jail.
He’s also the singer of the opening song for this season and had a pretty successful music career.
He also sings the epiloge song for season 2, and his son unfortunately OD'ed and died in a fentanyl-laced cocaine overdose.
Lola getting the fake a murder idea before Jimmayyyy. 😂 He really is your boy.
jimmaaaaayyyyy
Glad that Avon finally confronted Marlo this episode!
If you're sad about having no more Wire to watch there is another show made by the same people and featuring a lot of the same actors (in very different roles) called The Corner.
It's short, only 6 episodes, made before The Wire, but in many ways feels exactly like The Wire, just more focused on one particular element. I would highly recommend it, definitely a show that stays with you.
Compared to the Wire, the Corner is ROUGH. I'm not sure if they can handle that much heaviness. Especially when you see the roles some of their Wire favs play over there.
Agree. Not sure why that didn't get more traction either pre or post Wire. Very well made but depressing. Not sure if it can be streamed as it is not very main-stream. I have a DVD of it.
"Marlo's little dick energy" might be the funniest phrase in this whole series.
And you fucking know that if he heard that, it would eat at his ego so fucking much haha.
Avon and Marlo is one of the best scenes in the show.
In BB Gale worked for Gus, in The Wire Gus works for Gale.
Tearing up because Avon showed up is why i love y’all reactions lol
01:03:50 It's OK for him to push because they have been close for 15 months and Bubs trusts him. Bubs needs to progress in his recovery or it will become unhealthy and most likely lead to relapse. Sponsors are also people in recovery, so they have been pushed in the same way themselves.
Well done for recognising the woman speaking at the meeting in the opening scene. She was in the show three times, I think - once buying in Hamsterdam, once in Andre's shop buying some dope and finally in the meeting. It wasn't till my third watch that I noticed this.
Someone told her in a comment.
This serial killer plot line is so funny. I understand that it's ridiculous but everything about it cracks me up
Well,when weighed against the actual 100% truth of the Gun Trace Task Force,which David Simon and company addressed in "We Own This City", and all the shit they were into,it doesn't look so ridiculous anymore.
@@wreckingKREW1thank u. Never understood why so many have a problem with this plot when bunnys season 3 plot was also based on truth. Its not that hard to believe in my opinion
Its only ridiculous until you realize that McNulty is so pissed by Bodie's death, that he will go to legit extreme lengths to get Marlo
@@coiboyify It's one of those things that threw me at first, but then when I re-watched the show for the first time (the first re-watch was so I could get my wife to watch it, and we binged it so I had everything fresher in my mind), I realized it's COMPLETELY within character for McNulty and not nearly as absurd and out of left field as I'd initially thought. I can 10000% see Jimmy doing something like that, and when you factor in they literally started the season showing how the cops manipulate shit to get the result they want (the "lie detector" test), and then you add in that McNulty has been no stranger to lying and manipulating shit in the past... and it's pretty much on brand for the way the show presents both him and some of the tactics used by the BPD.
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YW and thanks.
Two things more I'd like to add...one is that it's not anymore "ridiculous" than the real life stories,uncovered countless times,of cops railroading people whom they know for a fact are 100% innocent of the crimes they're framing them for and we see these victims end up serving years,decades even,in jail as a result. Many of them have died in prison for crimes they never committed. And far too often the cops and prosecutors,if they were in on it,who do this get slaps on the wrists for their transgressions. Qualified immunity needs to go. Period.
Second,on your statement about Bunny and "Hamsterdam",yeah,as a Baltimorean born and bred I can remember when then Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke advocated for the decriminalization of drugs. Across the board. In 1987. He was jeered and mocked from every corner and now state after state are taking the first steps with legalizing weed. Always loved that Simon gave Kurt a cameo in the episodes where Royce has people in his office debating whether they should get behind this after Hamsterdam goes public.
FBI didn't want to take the case cuz Carcetti pissed them off on previous episode.
in the Naked City of Bodymore, nobody goes unnoticed!
yes! the Dee Dee girl at the support group started in the series buying an eight-ball in Hamsterdam (S03 E08), then already as a prostitute at Old Face Andre's store, buying cigarettes (S04 E08), now she's a recovering addict like Bubbles...everybody has an arc, even Noah!
@21:24 Last time we heard Milena say "I don't feel good!" was an over Avasarala (Queen!) outfit! Here it's Avon (King!) in prison togs. Avon got presence.
people who say serial killer storyline is far fetched don't realize 1) hamsterdam was also far fetched
2) real life can easily get this far fetched
Absolutely. And in a high crime environment like Baltimore with 300-ish murders a year. No doubt you can hide some shit if you're a seasoned vet.
Vic Mackey is not far fetched.
for real, we’ve spent 4 seasons showing how mcnulty is a totally unhinged and unpredictable alcoholic and are surprised when he goes all-out on the chaos when he starts up again full speed lol
i guess people forgot during season 4 for obsessed mcnulty can get@@JohnathanLaFey
yeah i don’t see how the serial killer thing is far fetched
"You're still going to hell, boy" lol
On this show, Gus works for Gale (David Costabile).
Funny thing, BTW, the newsroom bosses who keep thwarting Gus are based on real life editors that David Simon, the creator of The Wire, had problems with, when he worked at the Baltimore Sun, or "Sun Papers" as they call it in Baltimore. One of these real editors was named Marimow in real life, and that was why Simon named Lt. Marimow that on the show, wanting to get in a dig at his old enemy before he knew if he would get to do a season about the news business.
The guy who played Marimow, meanwhile, Boris McGiver, a great character actor, appeared on House of Cards as a news editor, with a very high standard of journalistic integrity, who undertook to investigate and verify another reporter's story about a crooked politician. Kind of funny how it comes full circle.
"The man's a virus"
I'm sure it will come up more on this reaction series as the season goes on, but the guy who plays Scott Templeton is in fact a writer and director who went on to make the film Spotlight, about the Boston Globe doing some actual good journalism. Love to see actors played against type like that.
Fun side note, the intro song is being sung by steve earle who is the guy helping bubbles (the guy with the beard)
Bubs has a very practical and heart-breaking reason for working in the kitchen, instead of on the food line.
And also the paradox of kind of being hidden in the dope fiend. Now he has to look people in the eye as a normal person, with all the shit that he's done in the past. That shit will eat people up.
I always liked the scene where Bubbles is scrubbing the dishes. Like the pots and pans are himself metaphorically. Truly love Bubs ❤
@@monadreher2428 that actually made me realize something. I don't need to ask if you remember "I need to get clean" and Sobotka taking a shift unloading, because I know you do 🥰.
It's a little bit the same here too. He needs to get clean. Get some dirt under his nails, do some blue-collar thing, and work with his body to clean his soul kind of.
@@Kaspisify Oh yes I do friend! Vote for Frank Sobotka all day everyday 🙌 And omg that's such a dope comparison! This is why Wire talks are the best talks ❤️
@@monadreher2428 couldn't agree more!
“Let me help you find your tongue” Avon remain my favourite
Yesssssss! Avon is *him* Also love the way he changes the conversation after telling Marlo his offer. Like "I said what I said, next topic" 😂😂😂
@@monadreher2428 Exactly lmao like what’s to discuss, you want to speak to the Russian that’s the number
i've seen the show 5 times thru, always good to see new people finding it. i'm tempted to see how you reacted to season 4, which i think is the greatest season of american television. this is as good as tv gets.
I am so beyond impressed that you recognized the girl at the narcotics anonymous meeting. I've watched this series through multiple times, and never picked up on that until like my fourth watch. This show is amazing at so many things, and its callbacks are right near the top of that list. Well done.
😂🤣 the commentary on beautiful men Avon and Stringer 😂🤣
😡😂😡😂😡😂
I just want to state for the record, I stand entire behind The Bunk this season.
Jimmy! Jimmy!
"I'm a murder police. I work murders. I don't fuck with no make-believe. I don't jerk shit around. I catch a murder, and I work it."
Love Bunk. Probably my favourite character in the show.
"you drop that shit" basically means to kill them/it
This girl is the beginning is one of the lesser known characters in the show and it shows her story from being a junkie then a prostitute and then going to rehab .
@20:55 "...so they can make something look like a murder that wasn't?? What could Jimmy do with that information???" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Uh well.... as a retired cop who participated in around a half-dozen homicide investigations I literally died laughing the first time I watched this episode. It's just so so outrageous. No matter how terribly terribly wrong it is you just have to applaud the limits Jimmy is willing to go to to get something investigated that needs to be investigated (22 murders!).
Yeah and in a sense, I kind of agree with the "the dead men don't care" from Lester. Hell, if my corpse could help hard working murder police get around bureaucratic politicians to get at the guys behind 22 bodies and god knows what else, sign me the hell up.
We are here, the fun and insanity that is season 5 is about to take off. Hold on to your butts, it's going to be interesting
NOBODY talk to Marlo like that!
Even being behind bars, Avon teech him some lessons.
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This entire scene in the news room as actually a meta commentary on the series itself. It's both a self criticism and a defense of the story.
"Drop" refers to bodies dropping to the floor after you shoot them.
8:09 Yeah she's a minor character who just appears every once in a while. Unfortunately, I can't find the video about her again, but she appeared in a couple of scenes, for example she was also a customer at old face andre's shop before Kima went in to look at the shop. There's a few other scenes but I don't remember which ones. It's kinda neat, makes the world feel more alive in a way.
She's actually the daugther of Richard Price, a novelist, who himself is seen in the book club scene in season 2! Her name is Genevieve Hudson-Price. Just some random trivia ^^
I think the Wire easily goes toe to toe with the Sopranos. They're both amazingly series.
There are some questionable choices by the writers when it comes to The Wire and this last season isn't great im, but for me i rate it as the greatest show ever because it did what no other series ever did. Really humanize the hood and make it understandable for people from all backgrounds. It influenced the political views of many people.
The Wire reigns at the top for me. Sorry but The Sopranos definitely has a few episodes, moments, characters and character arcs that just didn't always click with me. The Wire was just more consistent throughout the entirety of its run (which just adds more to the achievement considering that out of the two The Sopranos was absolutely HBOs favorite child). Not saying that The Sopranos isn't great as it definitely is but compared to The Wire...I don't see it.
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36:20 lmfao
50:00 Rome I hope? Great show
He went by Octavian throughout the whole show tho. And historically, Augustus only added that title later on in his life. Way past during the timeline in the show. I think they're referring to The 100 probably.
@@MM-vs2et oh yeah, forgot he went by Octavian. You're probably right, I never watched The 100
Jimmy is an addict as much as Bubs is an addict. His addiction is the job and that lifestyle.
36:20 Girls flashing the moves!!!
his entire life marlo has been tryin to be what avon was. no matter what he did he could never get the same respect people had for avon
I get what you're saying about the media in your country. In USA, we have a similar problem. We have a bipartisan system, and one side of that system pretty much has control of almost all news, media, and information. If you say anything on any of their controlled platforms, if it is something that a certain party disagrees with, or feel is contrary to their agenda that week, what you say is labeled as 'misinformation' and you are censored, or even banned from the platform, sometimes MULTIPLE platforms. MOST public news on television is also propaganda designed to further that agenda. Our first rights as citizens have become a joke in the digital age.
Bottom line, no matter what you hear about from our media, believing it is ridiculously stupid no matter where you're getting it from. You're only hearing a fraction of the truth, if any at all.
It was the same girl
McNulty behind bars, the most perfect ending to this serie
Octavia was cute
Top Boy is the closest successor to The Wire. Better than Snowfall, Top Boy is the only show since where the characters feel real. Lived in.
Better than OZ ?
Reaction 1x08
Milena: I think [Omar] is going to take out Avon at some point
Lola: I would love that 😭
Lola is right. You see the woman from the AA meeting in Hamsterdam buying drugs and you later see her buying cigarettes from Old Face Andre in his convenience store.
I love the Avon reaction
Only 4 more weeks. 😑
Rome, Spartacus, or I, Claudius?
Let's look at Jimmy's resume 👇🏿
- Got Wallace killed asking him to be a witness
- Got Bodie killed asking him to be a witness
- Is a deadbeat dad
- Is a habitual cheater
- Is an alcoholic
- Constantly commits crimes to catch others committing crimes
- is mutilating dead bodies to create murder cases which is not only immortal but highly illegal
All this and viewers can't even bring themselves to call Jimmy a bad guy. FUCKING HILARIOUS! The odd thing is we can all easily come to the conclusion that criminals like Marlo, Weebay, Chris, Snoop, Stringer etc are "bad guys" even though they're actually the ones that always get held accountable. They get hunted down by police, thrown in prison, killed on the street etc but the Jimmy's of the world face zero consequences even from the audience. Viewers can always find the nuance and goodness in Jimmy's heart even with all the evidence to the contrary. I wonder why???
I mean there's an appreciable difference between ordering/carrying out several murders to facilitate running a local drug empire and being a deadbeat dad alcoholic cheater.
Jimmy didn't intend to get Wallace or Bodie killed, and he definitely wasn't the sole or even primary cause so much as the naive inciting incident.
The thing with Jimmy is he's obviously supposed to be a fucked up asshole with a good heart underneath. He's an exploration of someone who could be a good upstanding member of society...except dealing with hierarchical alienation, ineffective bureaucracies, systemic corruption, political plays, etc sparks so much impotent rage and overwhelming hopeless depression in him that he copes with alcoholism, sexual thrill seeking, and being something of a sardonic dick with main character syndrome.
The Wire is all about how institutions and systems shape characters. McNulty is no exception. He's not bad or good, he's a sad flawed pitiable man with aspects of both.
Context matters.
@@Kadaspala Upstanding member of society? He's a deadbeat dad, serial cheater and alcoholic. He spends all his time working for the biggest criminal organization in the city. The Baltimore police department. That city and that police department let down that community everyday and then after the fact police like Jimmy hunt them down mercilessly and recklessly.
He knew talking to Bodie was a no no in the streets. Especially outside in public. He didn't care in the moment because all he cares about is solving a case. The same for Wallace. The same for the mutilated bodies and the other illegal ways he uses to solve cases. There's a difference between caring about the community and caring about solving a case. You don't do those things if you actually care about the community you serve. This dude is the epitome of selfish.
Also....YOU LITERALLY JUST PROVED MY POINT! I'm not saying he's a serial killer I'm pointing out that you still can't even call him a bad guy. That's it. You can't even call him on his BS despite the laundry list of misdeeds.
This show points out how the system and it's institutions all work together to play a part in the downfall of society. The government, police, schools, media etc all have an equal part in producing the crime we see on the streets but the only ones who get the blame and are called "pathetic" are the people we've already designated criminal. Those criminals have lived a lifetime dealing with the shortcomings of this system and they deal with more trauma and less resources than Jimmy but you don't give them the privilege of nuance and complexity. I'm pretty sure they're depressed too. I'm sure they have rage and turn to addiction to cope as well. NOBODY CARES!
The worst Baltimore cops, politicians news outlets etc still get called upstanding no matter their actual track record or how fucked up they actually are.
Are you intimating that it's a race thing alone? Because if it was Bunk, I think people would still find the nuance and goodness in his heart. It's just how people view these things. I'm not saying it's right, but people have always followed along with narrative structures, whereby there's good guys and bad guys. The brilliance of The Wire is that nuance, but sadly it's lost on some people.
@@brownsey1 I never said race is the lone factor BUT yes, race is a huge factor in how Jimmy is perceived. You cannot talk about the Wire or the criminal justice system without talking about race.
Race alongside Jimmy's occupation of being a policeman feed into stereotypes society has about who is good and who is essentially bad. You can't compare Bunk to Jimmy because Bunk is not doing the things Jimmy does because he actually has a code/moral conscious which is a big reason we like Bunk. On the other hand Jimmy has literally given you nothing to like but you somehow still come to the conclusion that he is essentially good. Viewers find nuance and complexity to his character that alot of time isn't even there while he continually breaks the law and skirts his personal responsibilities of being a father and husband. Meanwhile a character like De'Londa (Namonds mother) who is admittedly a horrible parent and also gives you no reason to like her but has committed zero crimes is still seen at face value. There is no nuance or complexity given to her character or situation by the audience. That's not a coincidence.
Lastly what Jimmy is doing is not only unlikeable it's criminal. Say it with me... JIMMY IS A CRIMINAL!!! The things he is doing actually deserve serious prison time but because he is still seen as essentially good that reality is never actually pondered unlike the "criminals" who are black that we've already deemed essentially bad.
@@Iambigjones I think you're misinterpreted what I said. I'm stating that if Bunk was doing those things we'd still view him in a similar light. We know he doesn't, as he simply doesn't do it in the show, but he's a womaniser, a heavy drinker, and he's been shown to do certain things to make a case that some, our reactors for instance, find distasteful.
I actually agree with you about Jimmy. He's a piece of sh*t! It's glaringly obvious upon a rewatch how morally corrupt he is. He definitely has a good heart to a point, but it's lost in his ego to be the smartest in the room. I also agree about the race aspect, but I asked about race alone because I wasn't sure if that was your angle.
I don't think it's all down to race with Jimmy. As I said, I believe if it was Bunk doing similar people would react the same, but there's an inherent racial aspect to how some view things in the show.
Honestly, this is my least favorite season of The Wire for this exact episode. Just the whole thing that Jimmy does and what it leads to in later episodes.
The one real weak plot line in the show. Season 5 was still really good but that held it up from being as good as the previous 2.
I liked it. but honestly i feel like these type of comments influence the reactors expereince with the show. a bit of sneak spoiling. I put it in the same category as people who comment "oh you're gonna love/hate this character"
Nope, no weak plot line, there's countless cases in history, especially since the 80s, of cops manufacturing murders/cases and this is as real as it gets. The serial killer angle might be dramatization but so is Hamsterdam in season 3. What The Wire does is showing how something would happen if it actually happened. It did so multiple times. You have no critical skills if you think this is a weak plot line when it's PERFECTLY written and obsessively researched.
Season 5 is a masterpiece and just as relevant as season 4. Even more so these days.@@albertocruz5032
So, in approximately two months, Lola & Milena will be starting (here) and new show with actual human beings in the cast? Have they said what it will be? 🎉