Here's the irony: The use of a courtesy runner is supposed to "speed up" the game. In my experience, it often slows down the game as many teams do not have the courtesy runner immediately ready. We sometimes have to wait for the coach to decide who the courtesy runner is going to be - that player has to get a helmet - and then the players have to change places. :)
@@rayray4192 Not really - because while the catcher is putting on his gear, another player can be warming up the pitcher. The catcher comes out and finishes up the warm-ups or throws it down. Play ball!
@@rayray4192 That's fine if they refuse to have anybody but the starting catcher warm-up the pitcher - but the pitcher still gets 60 seconds to make his warm-up throws. The timing doesn't start when the starting catcher gets out there. All good teams will have somebody - even if it's a coach - catch the pitcher until the catcher is ready. That's the way the game is played. Besides, there's not always 2 outs when a courtesy runner runs for the catcher. The inning doesn't always abruptly end after the courtesy runner gets on base. More often than not, the catcher has plenty of time to put on his equipment. It's only an issue when the inning abruptly ends after the catcher returns to the dugout from the bases. That's when somebody else catches the pitcher. Simple! That's how it's done.
These videos are gold. I have a question though. I may have missed something. Can a player who hasn’t been in the game yet, courtesy run for pitcher let’s say in inning 1, then in inning 3 I have a different courtesy runner for the pitcher, and then in inning 5 I have the first runner who courtesy ran in the first inning, run again for the pitcher?
Question: Smith courtesy runs for F1 in the first inning. Jones courtesy runs for F1 in the third inning. Can Smith come back and CR for F1 in 5th inning if Smith has not been otherwise entered into the game?
I think he misspoke when he said a player used as a courtesy runner could not be a substitute for another play in that "inning." The rule states a players used as courtesy runners may not be used as substitutes in the "half inning." That means they cannot be a substitute for any other player while the team is at bat. When the team takes the field, the player who acted as a courtesy runner may take the field as a substitute.
You are correct, and it’s important to be precise with rules. Patrick is a blessing and he helps me gain knowledge. Knowledge is power. Many times we say inning when we really mean half inning. Nice catch. Patrick will make the adjustment. Hope you are well and happy.
At 4:00 Patrick displays the rule about a C.R. acting as a sub in the same 1/2 inning that he acted as a C.R., and he verbalizes “ 1/2 inning. A little later he does say,” inning.” A contradiction, but I know what he meant to say, but you are correct that it’s important to be precise when teaching rules.
Yes but if that CR takes the field as a substitute for a position player, he would lose the right to be used as a CR in place of the catcher/pitcher for whom he initially ran, when his team next comes to at bat.
It seems the only support for the pitcher or catcher not being able to legally return and run for the courtesy runner in that same half inning is the case play. There are some things that can only be supported in the case book. Good to know.
@@DavidEmerling79 yes, I know the question. It’s memorizing a rule for a situation that won’t happen. Perhaps if the courtesy runner is injured a coach may want to bring his catcher back in to run.
@@rayray4192 The answer to a situation that requires a ruling is never, "That would never happen" or "I've never seen that before" or "Why would they do that?" That's code for "I don't know what rule applies." I've been umpiring for nearly 30 years and I can honestly say that not a single season has gone by without seeing something that "I've never seen before" or something that doesn't make a lot of sense. A player does something that players "never do." Sometimes, even seemingly simple things - things you would think would happen with a certain degree of regularity - seldom happen. For instance, last season, I actually had a catcher throw a stealing runner out when I called batter interference. It was an easy call. The runner was out. Afterwards, I got to think about it: "I've always known how to rule on a play like that. It's often on umpire exams. Everybody knows the rule, but I've actually never seen it before." You'd think that might happen now and then; yet, I actually had never had it happen in one of my games ... until then.
Can you help me answer a question? Team B is playing with P/DH, F1 hits a single Team B wants to use courtesy runner, we told Team A and they said that you are not allowed to use courtesy runners for P/DH. We allowed it, just want to know the rule on it
Team A is correct. A courtesy runner can not be used for the player/DH. Even if they are in the game as pitcher or catcher, they are to be thought of as two different players.
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Here's the irony: The use of a courtesy runner is supposed to "speed up" the game. In my experience, it often slows down the game as many teams do not have the courtesy runner immediately ready. We sometimes have to wait for the coach to decide who the courtesy runner is going to be - that player has to get a helmet - and then the players have to change places. :)
Catcher can get his gear on; that act speeds the game up. There’s no reason for a courtesy runner for a pitcher.
@@rayray4192 Not really - because while the catcher is putting on his gear, another player can be warming up the pitcher. The catcher comes out and finishes up the warm-ups or throws it down. Play ball!
@@DavidEmerling79 many teams refuse to have any player warm up their pitcher except the starting catcher.
@@DavidEmerling79 what? Catchers put their gear on as soon as they get back to the dugout in most cases.
@@rayray4192 That's fine if they refuse to have anybody but the starting catcher warm-up the pitcher - but the pitcher still gets 60 seconds to make his warm-up throws. The timing doesn't start when the starting catcher gets out there. All good teams will have somebody - even if it's a coach - catch the pitcher until the catcher is ready. That's the way the game is played.
Besides, there's not always 2 outs when a courtesy runner runs for the catcher. The inning doesn't always abruptly end after the courtesy runner gets on base. More often than not, the catcher has plenty of time to put on his equipment. It's only an issue when the inning abruptly ends after the catcher returns to the dugout from the bases. That's when somebody else catches the pitcher. Simple! That's how it's done.
These videos are gold. I have a question though. I may have missed something.
Can a player who hasn’t been in the game yet, courtesy run for pitcher let’s say in inning 1, then in inning 3 I have a different courtesy runner for the pitcher, and then in inning 5 I have the first runner who courtesy ran in the first inning, run again for the pitcher?
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Question: Smith courtesy runs for F1 in the first inning. Jones courtesy runs for F1 in the third inning. Can Smith come back and CR for F1 in 5th inning if Smith has not been otherwise entered into the game?
Yes he can!
I think he misspoke when he said a player used as a courtesy runner could not be a substitute for another play in that "inning." The rule states a players used as courtesy runners may not be used as substitutes in the "half inning." That means they cannot be a substitute for any other player while the team is at bat. When the team takes the field, the player who acted as a courtesy runner may take the field as a substitute.
You are correct, and it’s important to be precise with rules. Patrick is a blessing and he helps me gain knowledge. Knowledge is power. Many times we say inning when we really mean half inning. Nice catch. Patrick will make the adjustment. Hope you are well and happy.
At 4:00 Patrick displays the rule about a C.R. acting as a sub in the same 1/2 inning that he acted as a C.R., and he verbalizes “ 1/2 inning. A little later he does say,” inning.” A contradiction, but I know what he meant to say, but you are correct that it’s important to be precise when teaching rules.
Yes but if that CR takes the field as a substitute for a position player, he would lose the right to be used as a CR in place of the catcher/pitcher for whom he initially ran, when his team next comes to at bat.
Nice job presenting this courtesy runner topic. HOCO Umpires
It seems the only support for the pitcher or catcher not being able to legally return and run for the courtesy runner in that same half inning is the case play. There are some things that can only be supported in the case book. Good to know.
If you have removed your catcher for a courtesy runner why would you bring him back in to run?
@@rayray4192 I agree. But, the question isn't "Why would they do that?" The question is "Is it legal to do it?"
@@DavidEmerling79 yes, I know the question. It’s memorizing a rule for a situation that won’t happen. Perhaps if the courtesy runner is injured a coach may want to bring his catcher back in to run.
There have been rules in the past that were inky fit for in the case book. A pitcher’s cap continually coming off his head is an example
@@rayray4192 The answer to a situation that requires a ruling is never, "That would never happen" or "I've never seen that before" or "Why would they do that?" That's code for "I don't know what rule applies."
I've been umpiring for nearly 30 years and I can honestly say that not a single season has gone by without seeing something that "I've never seen before" or something that doesn't make a lot of sense. A player does something that players "never do."
Sometimes, even seemingly simple things - things you would think would happen with a certain degree of regularity - seldom happen. For instance, last season, I actually had a catcher throw a stealing runner out when I called batter interference. It was an easy call. The runner was out. Afterwards, I got to think about it: "I've always known how to rule on a play like that. It's often on umpire exams. Everybody knows the rule, but I've actually never seen it before." You'd think that might happen now and then; yet, I actually had never had it happen in one of my games ... until then.
Have you done a video on batting out of order
Is the final case play assuming the coach re entered Adams in a later inning?
Can you help me answer a question? Team B is playing with P/DH, F1 hits a single Team B wants to use courtesy runner, we told Team A and they said that you are not allowed to use courtesy runners for P/DH. We allowed it, just want to know the rule on it
Team A is correct. A courtesy runner can not be used for the player/DH. Even if they are in the game as pitcher or catcher, they are to be thought of as two different players.