VinFast Cross Country Road Trip Update! Interop Issues, Pet Mode Failure, & Efficiency Stats
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- Episode 388: Join Francie from Wichita as she updates you on the first leg of her road trip in the VinFast out to Colorado. She talks about the stats along the way, charging stops highlights and lowlights, and pontificates about boutique EV charging stations vs. lifeless parking lot stations.
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this was a breath of fresh air coming from a lady from Out of Spec, what an adventure, stay safe, drive carfully
Hey Francie! I am the Mike you met!
I owned a Nissan leaf before and put over 100k miles on it and now have a 2017 bolt with 156k miles on it.
Funny story though is my wife and I might be stranded in arkansas after I met you in Clarksville. The dcfc sleeve guide went flying off my dcfc pin in branson Missouri the next day! We find out tomorrow on the way back to the Carolinas if we can fast charge anymore. :-)
Mike! Yes thank you for reminding me of your hundreds of thousands of EV miles. Oh no - so sorry to hear that - please keep me updated I hope things work out easy for you two!!
@heyfrancie haha you are welcome. I have loved my ev experience so far. Even this we are not to worried about.
Going to make a little clip and upload every stop on the way home starting tomorrow. Worst case arkansas to south carolina via level 2 charges? 🤣
@@BlockbusterAssociate Good luck!
@heyfrancie thank you. We just stopped at our first dcfc and it's working fine so far. Gonna unplug soon and see what happens. :-) either way we are planning to get a new car. Equinox ev probably. Keep the bolt for charlotte are stuff only.
@heyfrancie We made it home safely! The sleeve guide never popped out again.
Hey, I enjoyed your perspective as someone that doesn't road trip an EV a lot!
So glad! Thanks for tuning in!
Memphis -> LR 2.73 mi/kWh
LR -> Clarksville 2.57 mi/kWh
Clarksville -> BA 2.54 mi/kWh
BA -> BP 2.58 mi/kWh
BP -> Hotel 2.47 mi/kWh
Over 75mph , 2.5-2.7 mi/kw
Over 65mph, 2.8-3.0 mi/kw
Below 40mph, 3.5-4.0mi/kw
Because vf8 aerodynamic isn't as good as tesla model y
@@NGUYEN-TUAN-1975 The speeds of an EV definitely affect its battery. In general, the faster a car goes the more energy it uses. Aerodynamic designs play only part of them.
@@NGUYEN-TUAN-1975 not only tesla , vf8 is bad compare with other EV car
@@user-lz8mi4dd2p yeap ! vf8 is crossover / suv. Almost others evs is sedan, lighter over 1000 pounds. So, faster means more power.
@@user-lz8mi4dd2p Francie friend car is model Y 2019. The last long trip, 800miles, VF8 and Model Y are run side by side
18:00 Cool about Piggly Wiggly. I'm hoping that gas stations will eventually retire some of their pumps and add EV chargers (at the distant per code of course, fellow viewers). That way no additional real estate needed for the gas stations.
Bravo- splendid . 🤓
Hopefully the software update fixes pet mode.
Where is the software team?
@@Dularr Still working for Adjustment and Optimization drive. Pet mode is already fixed on version .13
Pet mode is already fixed on version .13
Sooo many fixes happened after the update! I'll do a pod on that soon.
for her next company lease she deserves a nice car!
Not sure abt Arkansas nuclear power but if you saw Windmills in Oklahoma, OK is one of the top wind energy states. On our energy company website we can even choose how much percent of our power comes from wind. Glad you had a good experience! - Viewer in Tulsa.
JT is awesome! He was talking about expanding to other places, hope he does, it’s an awesome concept. Talked to him for like 2 hours while charging my Rivian during a road trip for the eclipse. At that point the free wire was being troublesome.
I took my first road trip in my Ioniq 5 over Memorial Day. Yes, each charging stop took about 30 minutes and some of the stations were a mile or two out of the way, but reallly, I was not in a hurry. The only issue was when I had to wait to charge. All but one of the stations had 4 or less chargers. The one station with more had 7 and I was the only one there. So it looks like there is a need to get the right balance.
I think you are 100% correct. EV charging and pet friendly. A must.
Thanks, appreciate your always interesting experiences! Hopefully your next company car is the R1T!
4:00 Thank God the Freewire worked well. JT sounds like a smart guy. Of course, I will watch that video when you have time to post it. Interesting about Kona vs. VinFast for Chargepoint charging. 8:00 Ouch, sorry about the range issue before Target in Broken Arrow.
The solar panel canopy reminds me of a Shell station in Mountian Gate CA that has a solar canopy with level 2 stations.
There are a number of places I can't go since my Leaf can only go a little over 50 miles on a charge. You are definitely up for the adventure. Happy safe traveling.
Hey Francie! Great podcast. Loved the narrative about the first leg of the road trip. Cheers!
I recommend staying on East Kellogg as there is an EA station at 7700 E Kellogg and many hotels within walking distance of there.
Rafiki's bandana is so cute omgg
He's the best
Okay so my mind was just blown after realizing Franklin Energy and Francis Energy are totally different things and my past impressions are moot now.
Thank you for the show good info
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The big problem is the gas station business model typically relies on shoving a lot of people through in a short amount of time. As even the fastest charging EVs are likely to take 20-30 minutes to reach their driver's desired charge level, it compels a different model where they have to keep people occupied for that time period. Both the Franklin's model and the Buc-ee's model account for that, each in differing ways. Truck stops try to accommodate differing mixes of customers - the in-and-out folks, the 30 min-1 hour stays, and then overnight stays (with laundry and shower facilities). However, truck stops are also frequently seen as catering to lower-class folks, one reason Buc-ee's is so adamant about NOT allowing trucks on their properties.
At a bare minimum, my expectation for a EV charger is one that properly works, under a canopy to help protect me from the weather, and well-lit for safety. If you can entice me with food/beverage options, and maybe a nice workplace while I charge up, without emptying my wallet, even better.
I like more frequent stops every couple hundred miles and don't stay more than 5 to 10 minutes. You get diminishing returns the higher you charge on many vehicles, meaning don't chase a high percentage and arrive lower (maybe not 2% but under 20% perhaps). I think the longest I've done is Green River, UT where I actually arrive low and have to deep charge on slow chargers, so I might be there 20 to 30 minutes but that's an atypical stretch.
If anything gas stations should adopt more charging infrastructure because people are liable to buy more because they may be there slightly longer than paying for and filling up a tank
I am old enough to not only remember gas station attendants but also worked at a gas station when I was in college. Pumped gas, washed windows, handed out green stamps etc. why dont we do that now except in a couple of states, money. No attendant means you dont have to pay an attendant. EV charge sites have slim profit margins if any and adding an attendant would greatly increase the cost . Of course that would then be passed along to users.
Charging is about cost and money. Add some staff to DC chargers and you'll never make money on it, and in some less popular locations you won't even make enough to pay for HW. Unless that charging is part of some existing business where the employee costs are already covered by other economic activity, it would be possible.
Francie so you were pulling 144kW @28% soc, thats really good , where you getting higher speeds EA broken arrow target when you pulled in @ 2% (Kyle will be impressed , even though you didnt plan it ;)) . were you able to get 150kW ? looks like a good trip other than a couple of bugs
speed , you're on a road trip , slow down to 73 and you'll easily get 210 miles or so hwy. You were also driving through Ozark mountains so sure a lot of energy used
How is the ride ? comfortable ?
On the missing dog mode AC, here’s what I do. I keep the car on, turn off lights so people cannot see the car is on, roll down the window, get out of the car with the key, stick my arm in the window, lock the car, roll the window up, quickly take my arm out. Now the car is locked with the AC on, windows up and nobody will think about it. If someone should try get in, the car is locked and they will likely not think about breaking in and if they did, they still cannot drive without the key. I have done it at a charger a few times and people will just think the noise is from cooling the battery.
Great video! Fingers crossed for version 12!!
According to Wikipedia, Arkansas' mix of sources for electricity have nuclear providing 24.4% of energy. Natural gas is highest source with 39.6%, coal 27.4% and hydro at 6% with other sources less than 2%
Good point about the mom & pop setup or the gas station solution. Feel like we should have gone that route.
Another awesome podcast.
very interesting and entertaining video :)
Thanks for the helpful report… I’m considering buying my first BEV but spend a couple months a year on long road trips including areas where dependable high-speed charging is not plentiful. I watch these videos for the charging experiences … my assumption is that driving a BEV vs. an ICEV will add a couple hours each day (minimum) on long road trips, due to both charging times and looking for (driving out of the way for) working charging stations, not counting driving slower by maybe 5-10 mph to extend range… on a 2-week, 7k-mile road trip, I see a BEV taking a couple more days and all the extra expense that entails (hotel, food)…. So much more expensive taking a BEV on a long road trip (by perhaps $300-$500 more per week on the road), not counting what may be minor differences in fueling costs)
Alternatively, you'll never have to spend time at a gas station, saving weeks of time over a year with simply plugging in at home (taking 10 seconds).
Great to hear your first update, sorry to hear that pet mode is flaking on you. Hopefully the software update will address that as well as your other items.
I did a little bit of crunch and I can say that the car is averaging 241mi/100% for this part of your journey.
Another useful number to add to your spreadsheet would be the charging kilowatt hours in addition to your state of charge change. And maybe cost.
Very good report, Francie. As you said, recharge stops with a convenience store would be a good "new normal:" more jobs, more appealing amenities for travelers & somebody who may be able to help with tech troubles. I'm in week 2 with my new Polestar 2 (thanks to Outa Spec for alerting me to their lease deals). Closest hi-speed chargers to me are unattended, in a big So Cal shopping mall where there's no clear place to queue up. Yeesh! And I'm waiting for the landlord to properly ground the AC outlet in my garage. The adventure continues!
In addition to speeds, the weather conditions-either it's too hot or too cold, will definitely affect the driving ranges because of the A/C use. Have fun and be safe, Francie!
Glad you made it to Tulsa without running out! Was PlugShare not showing any other chargers on your route?
Arriving at 2%. You’re doing it the out of spec way now 😂
After 20k miles I admit I still prefer arriving over 5%, and I have only been below a few times.
To the environment of charging locations, I think it because of the time factor. EV will be parked for 30 plus minutes, so locating the stalls need to be placed to avoid ice customers who will be in and out in 10 minutes or less.
However Walmart, Target their retail customers will be shopping perhaps 20 plus minutes. So their placement I n the lot is not customer friendly.
Hope the software update and service stop goes well. Pretty much expecting they'll be another little video regarding that experience.
If pet mode wasnt operating, try camp mode. It operates the same way.
Hmmm good idea....
The manned station sounds nice but I think the extra cost added per KW to cover labor would drive customers to the self service locations. I do think that canopies are important. I can’t remember the last time I saw a gas station that did not have a canopy. The great thing is that an EV charging station can incorporate solar panels into their canopies. The other thing EV charging stations need are amenities like food, rest rooms and as you mentioned, a place with AC or heat depending on the weather.
You should have a look into how much range is lost from the drag of having the window open or having the aircon on.
Now that our major cross state/country routes have chargers near exits, the EV charging infrastructure needs to address the "Local" users which may or may not look a bit more like Gas Stations. I actually think having small snack areas with great WIFI and spaces for people to do "work" (small office cubicles and chairs/couch areas to relax) while waiting to charge is the ideal setup.... and these need to get into the more remote locations that are not on the throughways...places where they would be visiting family or on vacation like Pinehurst, Watkins Glen, Indiana PA, all of the the northern half of PA above I-80 (State Parks and Forest areas), just about all of VT and the northern part of NY (Lake Placid) for example. These are all places you can easily get to in an EV, but getting OUT of might be tough, particularly if you plan to drive about while there. Don't make people just have to sit in their cars... give them a place to chill out. I actually think the ideal places for these regions would be 50kw chargers at Restaurants and Shopping centers, Outlet Centers and such.
I missed the column in the spreadsheet that showed how much time you had to spend at each of the charging station, and a column showing the average MPH for each leg of the trip.
I will get those in there!
Interesting! Since the day I got my VF8 Plus, I have never used any ChargePoint chargers. I have more often used other chargers including Electrify America and EVgo.
What a fun adventure! Can’t wait to hear more about the trip, the Franklins interview, and all of Spring Rolls time at the doctor and then at Coleton’s car spa.
I am old and i have no memories of someone helping us shop. I do remember full serve gas stations (NJ still does). Maybe it's an East coast thing versus where you grew up
Love to see charge stops that are like gas stations. Pull through charge points and cover and small store/washrooms
Most charging stops in Western Europe. If not there are good amenities in the parking lot
Good car
sneak the dog in.
Staffed charging stations would be awesome but that extra cost that has to come from somewhere. If the station has food and snacks and refreshments that will pay for that then it might be worth it. Or they have to add fees on top of the base charging cost.
16:00 Let Coleton do that detailing for sure. (if there is time)
@9:05 Elevation change maybe? Very warm weather with AC having to work hard will eat into the range for sure.
I drive efficiently, so I spend less time charging. I average about 4.5 miles to the kw.
Anyway, if you get 3 miles a kw, your cost to charge is 50% more expensive and longer than me.
It sure seems like the industry could afford attended EV charging stations, given the high cost they’re charging for energy. I have seen 40 cents/KWH. Consider a gallon of gasoline can deliver about 33 KWH. The rate being charged for EV electricity is analogous to charging $13.20 per gallon of gasoline when comparing energy purchasing power per Dollar.
Yes,I realize I am over simplifying, because the EV charging stations and gas stations do not have equivalent numbers of unit sales per location. That is true now, but the numbers of EVs is growing quickly and so will demand at EV charging ststions - provided an equitable price per KWH of electricity is established.
0.4$/kwh is too high to support EVs market. In my country, Vietnam, it costs 0.13$/kwh in public charge statiom amd 0.06$/kwh at home while gas price is 1$/lit ( 3.78$/gas)
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Great information! How long do you think you spent on charging stops on that trip?
Handy kept the appointment as Pet Mode doesn’t work.
I liked just because of the washing my car its not my job , i won’t feel guilty when i go two weeks with out washing mine lol
As a charge is of the order 30 minutes so an EV charging stations need to be co-located with something else to do including restrooms and eating outlets. In the UK there are often only a handful of chargers. At 30 minutes new arrivals per charger, its not viable to have an attendant. Even less so given the charge is paid for using some cashless mechanism. Whether the EV charger attendant can double up as the owner or worker in the restaurant / shop who can come out at a moments notice to help the few customers who have a problem charging is debatable. Especially if the charging failure rate is low. BTW the EV charger operators should be able to remotely monitor the devices and fix remotely (e.g. reboot) or send someone out to fix. CLearly JT is looking to make his stop an ideal location for EV drivers by proving a better quality of service and hence increase revenue in restaurant etc.
I'm sure this is true in the USA as in UK that the people running the businesses co-located with the EV charger know nothing about the EV charger. A case in point, last month my wife and I stayed in a hotel in the NE of England. On arrival I noticed some EV chargers in the carpark. So when checking in asked the receptionist how to use them. Her response was to direct me to the Charger operator website which could be found using a QR code on the chargers themselves. It turned out to be a relatively painless experience but it was interesting that the hotel was distancing themselves from a service provided on their property.
Looking forward to your next episode of your road trip.
I hope the update fixes the dog mode issue. When calling a hotel to make a reservation, I always ask if they have EV charging. I hope that if they get asked often enough, it will spur them to install some. I think there is a business opportunity there for someone to concentrate on selling destination chargers to these types of businesses. On a side note, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the nearest small town to me in NC has several free Level 2 chargers at libraries and parks.
Most gas ststions make most of their profits from the convenience store not the fuel.
Do the same with ev station. In Vietnam, Most of Gas station in nation road is charge station. And they also sale drink and junk food.
Hi Francie. When you say version 10 and 13. Is it the last 2 digits of your firmware? I am on FRS 9.6.1.13
yes, the last 2 digits
Ok. Don’t expect a massive change then. Another regen setting but no 1 pedal driving. Also some fixes to the sound system and an update to the charging UI with the amount being “pumped “ vs being loaded to the battery. If you have A/C running , you will see a difference. Still lots of opportunities for VinFast to improve the onboard as well iOS app.
.13 is for Canada owners. The US latest firmware is .12
@@NanoSchaap ONE PEDAL DRIVING makes my passengers to dizzy and sick.
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JT's stop sounds great.
How much is it to charge?
He has to make a living..
How is he making money?
Wonder if it was elevation change between Clarksville and Broken Arrow that decreased your total range.
I think you’re right
Clarksville 476’ - Broken Arrow 755’ = 179’ elevated/565 miles. 0.00344 degree 😂
In Vietnam, almost gas stations and charger stations are the same. You already remember where local gas station is and never mind where charger station is. It's so convenience.
VF8 air-dynamids isn't good, so Driving at 60-65mph is the best for long range. Turn regen mode to low or off when you are on highway. This is saving power. The high mode of regen is suitable when you drive in city.
I hate ONE PEDAL DRIRE. My passengers get sick and dizzy.
You mean you can charge your EV at most gas stations? what a …. L I E !
Vietnam Electricity Nation is 220v (1 phase ) or 380v (3 phases). So you can charge at home in 8-10hrs (VF8) and 3-4hrs (VF5) for full. Some houses use 380v, so 22kw charge adaptor (level3) is faster than 11kw charger (level2)
585 miles/257KWH = 2.27 miles/KWH. Let's say you pay $0.45/KWH = $115 = 35gal of gasoline ($3.28/gal).
If you drove a 7 seat Ford explorer 28mi/gal highway, you can get 980Miles/35 gal.
So driving the VF8 you pay 67% more than a gasoline SUV.
Where did you get 257kwh ? It's 257% ~ 225Kwh.
Ford explorer - mpg highway 28mi/gal. But highway test is just maxspeed 60mph and average speed 48.5mph. So, at 75-80mph with vf8, how much mpg for ford explorer?
At 75-80mph, VF8 have 2.6mi/kwh
At 60mph, Vf8 have 3.2-3.3mi/kwh
At 40mph, vf8 have 3.8-4.0mi/kwh
Every hotel should be dog friendly IMHO.
He can’t get his license because he doesn’t have opposable thumbs.
Might have been hilly, as to why you lost so much range mysteriously. Might not have noticed since the grade is gradual on highways. Esp on long drives
10:00 Cool about the Genesis GV60. My Ioniq 6 charges in 18 minutes at 350kw EAs (and free). Crazy good. So sorry about Pet Mode --geez. I've never been to the great plains. Sounds beautiful. I like Love's (Francis charging station). Yup, Francis is big in the mid-West. I watch Crazypostman also who lives in Oklahoma. 15:00 Great to have a positive attitude and like you say, it's your job. LOL.
HOT NEWS on GM Adapters - Just off phone with GM EV Concierge, and they just had a meeting: 👉🏿June 19th👈🏿 is the “expected” date. So, well, yippee-ky-Yeaaaa. 😃
If possible I would charge that to 100% every time on this road trip just to make sure you don't get stuck somewhere. It would be cool if roadside assistance had a way to charge the drive battery, instead of having to tow you, to get you to the next charger. I know it didn't happen to you at least in this podcast and I hope it doesn't, but just a thought.
Shit car😂
You ARE a Warrior! JT & his operation are to be greatly admired in the black-hole of EVs in Little Rock - a champion for travelers. Bloomberg just interviewed the CEO of Vinfast, here: ruclips.net/video/QhjJubkcmXE/видео.htmlsi=DlmYCkzCkKhNj6ZA. When they get these software glitches sorted, do not bet against these guys - the Chinese are busily “screwing the Pooch,” by the day. Good cars, seriously rotten economy. 🙏🏻🫶🏿