I liked the video. I worked as a salesman for Toyota for over 10 years. I was there for this engine change first in the 4Runner and FJ. On the 4.0. The only reason they did it was for environmental reasons. Toyota told us this in training. Apparently to recycle a traditional oil filter is very expensive and this new style is not hard at all. Thanks for the good video. The skid plates are a nightmare to remove.
I've been managing a Lube Center for 26 years. I Love Toyota and own a Corolla but I will never buy a New Tacoma. I've always said, if the manufacturer whats you to service your vehicle at a Dealership then lower the price and do it fast. You take your car to the dealer and have to drop it off and wait hours and sometimes days to get it back. Some shops refuse to work on such cars. Even at the dealer some mechanics skip changing the oil filter if there strapped for time. I have some customers complain that their new vehicle took to long to change the oil, they ask me why? I tell them to ask the car company why. Of course they don't like that answer because complaining to a vehicle manufacturer is like complaining to a brick wall.
@@mattscott7037 Is that what they told you? And you believed it? Salesman trainer Zig Ziggler used to say that a salesman will be easier to sell to because they are more likely to buy into sales logic. Sounds like you did too. Follow the money is a quicker way to the truth and Toyota makes a lot more money with this oil filter system
In my 12 years of being a mechanic, not once did i have to remove the middle part of the oil filter housing, which doesn't contain the filter. You can simply unscrew the whole filter housing, and it will leak out of there instead of screwing the middle part and having to change a gasket that never leaks anyways.
Same, in all my years working on toyota cars I took of the whole thing, draining it is just a waste of time since your hands are already a mess anyway xD
The engine oil change on the Toyotas is nothing compared to changing the transmission fluid on the Toyota. I would love to hear Toyota's explanation for making routine maintenance so difficult.
Dealerships make 49% of their profits from Parts & Service. Perhaps Dealerships complained to Toyota Corp. that too much money was being lost by DIY chumps like me changing their own oil (37-years in my case)? STEALERSHIPS-to-Customers: "It ain't broke but we're going to FIX it!"
The difficulty in doing these two common maintenance tasks frightens me for other reasons. When servicing is the mechanic even changing the filter, due to maybe being LAZY since I won't know? This will also be an excuse for increasing the cost of labor time.
Exactly. Spin on conversion kits already are available. But my win-the-lottery or name-in-lights plan is get an old Lexus ES300. I see them around in near perfect condition all the time, and why look like you're jack? No one notices a 20-year-old Lexus
My 2011 Tundra has 250,000 miles on it. I change my oil every single time, saving$100 every change. It takes 1/2 hour from beginning to end. Even with the new filter. Just know ahead of time that u need to take the steps mentioned on the video. This video is helpful but is exaggerating how hard it is to take the steps. Just take your time and it's a snap.
I believe the OP is mentioning how they changed the engine so much and made it less convenient to do yourself. Your 2011 car is easy to change the oil in, having to pull the skid plate down and go through three steps to remove the filter is ridiculous. Your filter change is minutes, the new way is much longer.
Sometimes it just takes a little nudge and you're off and running. Buying into the "how hard it is to change oil" I've been paying the $100 every time I've needed it to get done. "it's a snap" that's the little nudge I needed. Thanks!
Yes HIGHLY Exaggerated! Just a bit different. Saves about $100 over a dealer doing it! I think my local dealer wanted $130+ for my FJ Cruiser oil change. I can do it for about $30!
I bypass the silver disc part. Just leave it on and go straight for the filter housing it self. Dump the oil out of the housing and replace the filter and o-ring. Reinstall the filter housing and no crying involved. Why drain the housing first when it's not necessary? It just creates a bigger mess by getting oil all over the place.
Yeah I used to work at a Toyota dealership as a lube tech and we toss those plastic pieces in the filter kit allllll the time. We just go straight to unscrew in the whole housing to save us time
No crying oh I see you own a Toyota and are offended. He is entitled to his opinion. However he never says that was the hard part but you avoided the part he did say that says everything.
Been doing my own oil changes for 40 years and my Tundra took a couple of tries to figure out how to do it w/o a mess. Once you dial it in it is not that hard and less messy that spin on filters that are near horizontal. Great video but it does exaggerate a bit. Instead of a bottle use a short hose into the plastic barbed fitting and let it drain into the pan. Grab a beer and come back later to remove the cartridge for a spill free experience. It is different but if done with some thought it can be done without a mess. Just use the old bogging. Keep the videos coming.
If it were only that benign and juvenile, my friend! In fact, it is as insidious and greedy as is insinuated in the video! Toyota is cold and calculating, and their interest lies firmly with their profits and its attempt to generate more revenue at the customers expense! As long as the customers exist, who are unaware of that fact, they will continue to put profits ahead of customers. It’s incumbent and crucial that the consumer educate themselves about any major purchase they make! Until then, companies like Toyota will continue giving us less and less value for a higher cost, and that always has a cost beyond the initial investment.
I got a 2013 Camry with the same filter the only difference is there is no skid plate and I do not take that little metal piece off the filter I just take the entire fucking filter off and it's been fine oil don't be everywhere to me I think you crying over nothing because if you ever owned a 2000 Honda Civic the oil filter sits underneath the throttle body and you have to put your entire body under the car and extend your arm through the back side of the engine to unscrew the filter and the worst part is you can't even see how the filter goes into the engine you just got to pray that you line it up just perfectly and not tightening up so hard because if you did it's going to be hard as fuck to get it back out so this ain't shitt
Yeah as I said in my reply it's not that hard. Well within the range of skills for a do it yourselfer. I actually make dramatically less mess than with a typical filter.
Agree, they screwed mine up on oil change #2. Honda is no different as my wife brand new accord came home once from the Honda dealer with a loose oil drain plug. Easier the job with a high risk impacting result = I will do it myself.
I have been a Toyota fan and owner for a long time. I happen to live next to the North America headquarters of Toyota and have asked them why they made this change. The answer I received from them was, "We wanted to reduce the amount of waste from oil changes by eliminating the use of a can and instead use a reusable cartridge holder. This results in only needing to replace a paper element and two O-Rings rather than a steel can that has to be broken down and processed. However, a side affect is that the cartridge holder is more difficult to use."
Figured this was the case. Having performed a few of these oil changes on my wife's Sequoia, I've started to develop a system and its not that bad. I do like not throwing out a huge chunk of metal every time so I'll live with it.
Pro Pilot Pete or just don’t have fat ass hands. Simple put rags on top of skid plate (help with the overflow) and remove the filter from above the skid plate plenty of room.
Even if u cut a 6’ access it will still be Pain because it seems to be designed to remove from above. It would still be a pain. You should pull have to cut it like off center in order to stick your arm in there... anyways all around flaw
I've always taken it for granted that I could change my own oil very easily. But after seeing this, I will always check the oil filter location before buying another vehicle.
Just changed my 19 taco. Dropping the akid was easy enough. I did nees to by the wrench which was cheap enough and i gotta say i dont dislike it. Cleanest oil change ive ever done
You can literally watch them the entire time if you wish. Make sure they change it. My shop always changes them. It takes an extra 15 minutes, but we don't charge extra.
@@asainlover67 most shops don't let you go inside where they are working, you can watch from about 15 feet away. Which does not give a close up of detail. Also 15 minutes to change a oil filter, i can do that in about 3 minutes or less on most vehicles
I'm no mechanic but I change the oil on my 2015 Rav4 (same procedure) without too much hassle. I don't mess with the silver disc and the drain plug though, I just take the whole filter housing off like a regular oil filter. Having to take off the underbody guard on the Tacoma is unfortunate - but I would sacrifice some convenience for added durability.
Same on my 08 Sienna 3.5. Toyota could have designed a hinged trap door to access the filter housing if they wanted to. GM did it in the 90's for the S10's and Sonomas.
tip from a pro, dont mess with the filter drain part just remove the whole filter its not that much oil and way faster and leaves less possible problems with the drain seal breaking later. also you have nevr done a service on a Benz. yeah you can see the filter what you dont see is the monster skid plate that needs removal and the 4-5 gaskets on the filter that need to be done, neither are any easier.
The BMW and Mercedes engines shown at the beginning have similar cartridge filters. They're a little easier to get at, but otherwise, they're very similar in that the have separate o-rings, need special tool, etc. They both also recommend sucking the oil out of the dipstick tube instead of removing the splash pan under the car and draining it.
Horrible design, like every BMW and Mercedes engine for that matter. Can't fit your hands in them to change a light bulb. Let alone anything important.
You ignore several important things in this video. First of all, by having the oil filter at the bottom of an engine, metal particles, sediment, etc. will fall to the lowest point in the engine, namely where the oil filter is located. Secondly, from years of changing my own oil filters on several model cars, when the spin on oil filter is located on the top or side of the engine, there’s always oil leaks draining down the side of an engine when the spin on oil filter is removed, which means (usualY, you have to use a spray cleaner to remove the oil leaking down the side of the engine (hence, more solution). In addition, the EPA requires dealers to recycle oil change components and that the oil that remains in an oil filter has to be squeezed out before disposing of the oil filter. If you have a spin on oil filter, the metal housing must be cut off and then the paper filter media can be removed and the excess oil be squeezed out. If a replaceable paper element is used, it’s easier for the dealer to remove the oil residue or else the spin on filter must be sent out to a recycler to have the metal housing and excess oil removed. If this isn’t done and the spin on oil filter is just thrown in the garbage, there’s potential for oil contamination to leak into ground water. Just a few things to consider.
First, the only top engine oil filters that I have changed are on Mercedes, and they never drip or leak down the side of the engine. I’m curious what specific brand vehicles you have done where are you have experienced side drips? Second, no, the dealers do not need to cut off the tops of the oil filters and then squeeze the oil out of the paper filters. They simply drain as much oil as they can while they’re doing the oil change service, and then toss those into a barrel. I have worked at the service department in two large dealers in California and owned my own repair facility. We all hire a service that takes care of the oil filters and the used oil.
Chris what he means by leaks is that overtime and maybe around a 120,000 miles those oil filter housing gaskets leak. And when they leak oil everywhere. So if the oil filter does leak it won't leak all over your engine.
Get your blame right mate. Management makes the decisions. In reality Accountants only prepare information that Management uses. Just as Engineers are dictated the budget and directive ( to make things harder and screw the users). Looks like Management makes the unpopular decision and the Accountants, Engineers and other workers is to be blamed by your understanding. Management are the only ones that try to be smart and rip people off in pursuit of making their wallets fatter since their remunerations are tied to company profits. Engineers and Accountants only get paid a flat rate. Get your blame right.
@@spuriouseffect that's what I do. Careful with full synthetic oil on older Tundras. Keep your oil changes to 5000 miles and not the 10,000 the dealership recommends when they switch you.
I have changed oil on my vehicles for over 50 years, I am 72. When we bought a Subaru Forester in September of 2013, I was amazed at where the oil filter was. So easy to change. Then last summer I naively helped my brother change oil in his 2016 Toyota Tacoma. What a fiasco that was. We never did get the filter off, but did change the oil. Then I did some online RUclips checking and found out about the required special cup to get the filter off. So instead of going to the Toyota dealership to get their "special' cup, I went to Amazon and got one that I am sure was cheaper. Still the process is a real pain in the ass and so messy. Whoever thought up that design at Toyota probably got a hefty salary increase.
Advantage this style Toyota is trap all particle oil in the filter. The other design for upper filter style is may not trap all particle oil due to the oil gravity can be return back to the engine. Also, elbow junction for upper oil filter have o ring gasket and will be crack that cause potential oil leak!
One) You might be able to get a kit that allow the installation of a remote oil filter, eliminating the need to remove and reinstall the skid plate. Two) One of the people here says there is an aftermarket fitting you can put on there which allows you to use a spin-on oil filter.
@@anonymike8280 Axe?!? Are we cutting trees or changing oil? I could afford it but I'd rather pay for 4 synthetic oil changes than buy an aftermarket fitting to fix something that isn't broken.
@@HCWHunter I deliberately put that in there. The word is used in Ebonic English and white Southern English in place of "ask". It is also means the same in Middle English. I saw it in Chaucer. I've had one undergraduate and one graduate English course where we read Chaucer in the original. I do my own oil changes. If I had that model of Toyota, I would just do it. There are a bunch of videos that between them show you some of the tricks.
@@anonymike8280 Oh, I know where the word comes from, and I know the ebonics crowd didn't get it from Chaucer! I just can't fathom why you would use it in this context. Your attempt to justify its use here is rather pedantic. I have done plenty of oil changes on my various cars over the years and have already done a couple of changes on my Tacoma as well after the 2 years of ToyotaCare free oil changes expired. My point was the spin-off adaptor is a rather expensive fix for something that isn't broken. My only problem is with the relatively inaccessible location of the filter, not the type, but it's really NBD. I've gotten to the point in my retired life that I often have better things to do than crawl under my truck getting dirty and having to dispose of used oil, so I'll probably just pay to have it done for me most of the time.
I've noticed that with this design, you can see any possible debris/metal shavings that may settle in the oil filter. I don't know if they designed it that way, but I was able to find larger particles in that filter housing since it's so low in the system. Gravity causes all the particles to settle at the filter and drain pan, hopefully causing it to be less likely lifted into the engine. The filter housing was a one-piece, all metal unit which is different from the two piece design you showed here. (2011 Toyota Sienna AWD)
Well, explain why the oil filter assembly is packed up in the engine behind the skid plate like everybody is trying to steal it. There is an upside admittedly, but that upside could be a lot more accessible.
@@alexwalker8422 hi, Alex. it should be up high so that it will be protected from road debris and other things like speed bumps. Imagine driving over shredded tire treads on the highway and having the oil filter ripped out. It would be a vulnerable part of the underside of the vehicle.
They gave magnets that are really strong that you can put in the oil pan when new or after a rebuild to catch metal shavings off the parts. But I am sure the filter will catch them.
@@jamesm568 They'll screw it up alright but it won't be on anything that they worked on. Took a 4runner once for an AC recharge and a year later, just after the warranty expired, the transmission started overheating. Cause: xmission oil overfilled to the dipstick tube. Who put the excess oil? I know I didn't.
Toyota engineering is getting worse as the older engineers retire. Younger engineers are just not as good. Educated in schools that emphasize political correctness over practical engineering.
@hosocat True. 2014 corolla is the perfect example. Toyota used a CVT instead of the proven conventional automatics. Now they have a "secret transmission recall". Toyota sabotaged their most popular vehicle.
Just noticing as a certificated aircraft mechanic, the one advantage this design has is being able to inspect the filament for metal debris to find engine damage before it is catastrophic. In aviation we have to cut the filter open to do this inspection.
@Shelly B. I used to work at Chrysler building trucks, and your right, they make things so the average person has to take it in for service or part changes...
Why, they were thinking about driving profitable traffic to their dealerships and wringing every nickel possible from customers who value reliability over economy. By the way, I own two Toyotas and have owned a lot more over the last 45 years. Still, that's what I've seen become Toyota's way of doing business and I don't like it one damn bit.
@@markkoons7488 quoted me $120 for oil change for our 2010 Prius, so I order the special tools, new plastic oil filter housing, filters & o-rings & will go out of my way to DIY as a point of conviction for DIY. I will make a youtube video, ongoing, to document the messy headache!
@Kalambong Kalambong There's a strong emotional appeal to that solution. I hope Toyota's third vice president in charge of oil filter location gets wind of this conversation. Somebody, maybe a whole committee of somebodies, deserve vigorous kicks in the shins.
Got my 2010 Taco running strong doing my own oil changes. This video makes me want to keep it forever. How is this system better than the screw on filters?
It works well, the problem is it needs access panel and front splitter redesign. Canister filters are good and seep nothing, less wear on oil coolers almost all cars have now. Plus they cost way more to make, if there wasn't benefits it wouldn't make sense. I do not think oil changes cost any more on these do they??
Cut out a access hole in the skid plate approximately where the oil Cartledge system is one simple opening will save taking the skid plate on and off. Original Toyota 4 runners and pickups 1990 era had skid plates that we modified around oil filter area to stop taking the skid plate off. When we modified skid plates we took them off then copper coated or anti seized the bolts priority reassembly so the bolts will not rust in from not removing them on oil change intervals
Did you hear about the variable rate oil pumps that lose their prime if you take longer than ten minutes to do the oil change? Then no oil is pumped on startup and engine blows. Engineering a time limit on a critical service is just plain stupid.
Yes you can do that and 1/4-1/2 quart runs down the complete sides of the filter housing saturating every bit of it. It's loaded with indents and mold marks, so you either clean it after or let it dribble for the next two days.
This video is spot-on and I can relate to the frustration. I changed the oil this weekend on both my Tundra and Lexus RX-350. What a workout. I think I made up some new curse words. What a needlessly complex and messy procedure. Even putting new oil in the oil spout is an ordeal, especially for the Lexus. A funnel only fits a few inches in the opening so I had to hold the funnel with one hand while pouring out of a 5 qt bottle with the other. Of course I spilled oil, as usual. In fact, whenever I buy supplies to change oil in these Toyotas I include a bag of cat litter to soak up my mistakes. Btw, just discovered that they make a special funnel that screws into the oil spout- I should have known. Mine arrived today so I’ll be a bit more prepared next time.
There is more profit for the dealer in scheduled maintenance and service repairs than new car sales, but that's no excuse to screw the guy that just wants to change his own oil. My GF worked in the dealer service dept and her supervisor told her that NO ONE leaves here with a bill less than $600. or else.
Don't ever take your vehicles to any lube shop. they either use old recycle oil or not change your oil at all and forget about getting a new oil filter. lol
I like my old 06 nissan frontier. There is a small plate to remove to get to the filter but I can very easily just go in from the side by the front of the suspension and get to the filter. Two stupid bolts to waste more time removing where I just avoid it altogether. Granted it's no toyota but I like the looks of it better than that era of taco turds.
Most of Tundras have broken bolts snapped in the frame on from skidplates because techs usually overtorque them. It's so bad; lot of dealers usually throw out the skidplate because it was down to being hold up by two bolts.
I worked at two Presidents Award dealers that did multiple tricks. One trick is to retap holes (which takes long process to do and the usual customer doesn't want to wait around for.) Other is to drill holes through busted bolt and slide through longer bolts from the top, install skidplate, and use nuts to secure. Since I'm in the rustbelt state; this problem is quite normal especially on the last gens that are pushing 175k+ miles or 8+ yrs. There's the other issue with broken "J" hooks that are rusted out and its no where impossible to reinstall without having it rattle. That's when it doesn't go back on. I can tell you there's tiny percentage of techs using the drain valves on the canisters at Toyota dealers. Here's why; you're expected to get these vehicles done in 20 minutes and it just adds more time. You can empty the canister without making so called huge mess; its linked to being used to servicing ZR-FEs because those cainsters don't have drain valves. Hell, I mastered process just breaking them loose, slowly spin them off by hand, slowly tip the cainster to drain out the oil that I was able to do oil changes in my driveway without even having spill cardboard on the ground for my 2AR-FE Camry. I'm not tech anymore got tired of getting paid crap for too much dealer drama & politics.
@@autoworker12345 That's sad. Too much work and unpaid time to do an easy out.. Heck if the backside is open you can just use a regular drill and hope it catches and spins the broken bit all the way through to the other side.
Also, the dipstick is very confusing, if you just put the recommended quantity of oil, you would expect to see the oil level somewhere between the lower and upper marks, right? Well, in fact, you will see the oil smeared anywhere in the dipstick, with no clear indication that you have poured the right amount. So, After several oil changes I got to the conclusion that I just pour the 6.1 quarter and forget about checking the dipstick.
I didn't;t even mention that one, There are no cross hatch marks on the stick and it is almost impossible to read. One side looks overfilled, the other undefiled. Craziness that this is so bizarre, Great point on this one.
C. Gomez but if you can't read the dip-stick ...and the cartilage is not sealed properly on one of the rings and you begin to loose a lot of oil by the time you find out it's too late...that's why an oil gauge is a must...
Yet ANOTHER reason I don’t want to trade my 2012 Tacoma! The new ones have less torque for towing, “on paper” more horsepower, MARGINALLY better mpg, and now harder and more expensive to work on! BIG win for Toyota.....not so much for me!!! My 2012 Tacoma has been a SPECTACULAR vehicle! Guess I will keep it!
Funny on my Lexus LS460 the small silver plate is usually on so tight that the entire black plastic filter housing unscrews with it, thereby making the excess oil spill all over the place when removed. Lexus did make a rectangular cutout in the bottom plastic engine cover to unscrew to get access to the oil filter. For some reason, squirrels are hiding all their acorns there so it is like opening a piñata of acorns when changing my oil filter.
I have never owned a vehicle which removing the oil filter was not a messy job requiring cleaning the engine and frame afterwards. This doesn’t look as bad as he makes it seem. And buying a funnel would really make sense refilling the oil.
Doesn't look like really hard to do. Also this drain (bottle draining) seems to be just an optional to use - made especially for DIY users, who doesn't want oil on their paving. Long time dripping happens also in can filters. And about that plastic covering screws - try using ratchet without extension.
Diesel Nine I’m sure the American made trucks have their design flaws as well. No vehicle is completely perfect. Tacomas are the most reliable dependable trucks on the planet and hold their value much better then any American made truck. Hate to say it but it’s true. If someone decides not to buy a Tacoma cuz it’s a little difficult to change the oil....that’s just stupid.
depends which toyota. The Highlander and Lexus RX take about 25 min. Don't drain the cartridge, just take the cartridge off into the oil pan, drain oil, put new filter in and put new oil in. Use ramps. The 4Runner and Lexus GX take an hour but still pretty easy
an adapter that loctites in place of the filter cartiage holder, that stays permenently attached and the older style screw on filter can be used always. maybe denso or dorman companies. the only problem is toyota would probaly not honor the factory warranty if the vehicle is still newer.
@@jongonegone1262 just put oem filter back when taking it for warranty claims. If you change the oil yourself then probably you dont take the car to a dealer for regular service anyways.
You should just cut a hole through your skid plate big enough for you to get to the oil filter through it and then make a cover for the hole to screw into the skid plate
1) use an impact for skid plate removal. they are cheap and your gonna use it to make other maintenance easier. 2) the hooks are there so you can hang the skid plate to make removal and install easier 3) just screw off the filter cap with a drain pan under it for God's sake. not that hard 4) MANY vehicles use a cartridge style filter. they are cheaper and produce less waste. it's not even remotely hard to replace a damn o-ring and a paper filter. Acting like you have to replace the starter on a Northstar engine or something man. jesus christ
Agree, after working on German cars for a while, this process didn't really seem that hard. He failed to mention that you most always have to take off plastic plates under a German car to get to the drain plug(s).
Brilliant video! Is it a little tongue-in-cheek?, sure but no problem. About to buy one of these trucks and I am really glad I saw this going in...but it won't make me change my mind. At 59 I'm still doing my own oil changes from the floor (Maybe I'll get that lift I want for a birthday or something, who knows). Overall a great job explaining what's involved. It will definitely be the most difficult oil change I will have ever had to do, but oh well. For a once a year task, I can live with it. I don't put a lot of miles on my equipment. Thanks for taking the time to make this vid. I've liked and subscribed!
I would cut holes in the air dam so I could access the bolts.... and get the cartridge conversion. But maybe I would buy a different brand of truck. Brand loyalty evaporates when they pull stunts like this. I have dumped Procter and gamble already.
They make adaptors for this already to use standard oil filter. Could also add relocation kit and move filter up top if you want, but will require more oil.
My Camry uses a nearly identical oil filter housing, I just thought it was neat and interesting, it seemed a little less messy than a standard filter on the bottom, especially if it's in an awkward place where you have to keep the filter perfectly upright as you weave it through parts or risk spilling oil out of the still full filter. The Camry doesn't have the dumb skid plate though
kclefthanded 427 Yeah, over complicate the design to make it cheaper and fail more readily. That’s what I’ve seen with my son’s Audi. He always took it to the dealership for service...expensive. Darn think stopped on him 3 times. Two failed fuel injectors and one broken timing chain. The car went to salvage at 122,000 miles. Expensive junk. I hope Toyota doesn’t follow Germany’s overly complicated, failure prone engineering.
I love changing my oil on my Trd off-road 2020. Great video. I agree, it could be faster if I did not have to remove the skid plate from under just to remove a filter. I highly recommend you buy an aluminum housing that holds the filter in place, instead of the plastic one that comes with the vehicle. Instead of the oil drain bolt, I have a permanent relieve valve. No unscrewing necessary. Have a blessed day.
My skid plate has met a bunch of rocks and such like. Nicely dented but my power train is fine. I am thankful for it. Living in the mountains and tracking animals in the mountains and deserts you should have skid plates. Gotta do something when forced to retire. Drive hard, be safe.
The sales of 4" holesaws just got boosted. Careful with that much diameter: when it bites, you can get a pretty good kick. If the drill has a place for a second stability handle, put that thing on.
Good clip, you show some of the frustrations of being a DIY mechanic i.e. working off the ground, oily mess, difficulties R&R'ing components, etc. My Toyota has the same filter type and its no problem anymore. For mechanic work, I use an extra thick and slightly oversized latex glove that covers the wrist and doesn't tear. I use the thin ones to keep chemicals off my skin on other projects.
Yes! I had to research the design of this filter before I even attempted my first oil change on my Rav4. Piss poor design is an attempt by Toyota to get the average do it yourselfer to give up and go to the dealer.
Yep, I have never done my oil and filter change on my wife's Rav, I just pick up my oil and filter Royal Purple HPS with RP filter and take it to my loyal mechanic, just saying motor on.
We just bought a highlander and I found it such a pain to do the oil change too. At least the Highlander is not as bad the Tacoma. You might want to look into a filter relocation kit if you plan on keeping the truck for a while. Cheers
This design is amazing and I'll tell you why. If you're a mechanic who cares about oil analysis and cuts open their old oil filters to monitor for ferrous metals, this cartridge oil filter is a lot easier to open up and fan out. You'll catch bearing failure much faster, get an idea of wear, and you don't need to pay for a dealer to catch those things. The placement could have been better, but Toyota was thinking about the needs of real mechanics who care about longevity in their engines and proper at home maintenance. They took a page out of the aircraft maintenance field and I'm a fan.
m3cs4 it pretty obvious this guy hasn’t try changing the oil on a BMW or Benz because it’s not owner friendly to work on but yet he showed just the top filter as examples yet yet ever car had an under tray,
Been servicing my car with the same type of filter housing according to service repair manual, never find it difficult. This guy is worst than aussies by complaining about small things. I work on cars for a living and if it wasnt your passion or interest, better take your car to a shop while having your nails done.😂
@@kurtleonce6221 dip stick suction. It's awesome. Easy and gets out more oil than the drain plug. Ive been doing it for years, and you can watch mercedes source channel video where he does a dip stick suction after a drain plug is done, and gets out 1/4-1/2 liter more whit thr plug still out.
I used to own a Toyota Corolla. The filter also pointed downward, and it was only accessible from the floor. Although it used a spin-on filter, it was at mid level of the engine, that you really needed an extension to drive the filter wrench. Not so easy.
Thankfully, the new Tacoma Gen 3 with a 4-cylinder engine still use the screw on cartridge filter. Only the 6-cylinder engines have this multi-phase oil filter.
I was also pleased. Our 4-cyliner was due for it's third change and the shop was trying to schedule us a week and a half out; no, thanks. I did it myself, thanks to RUclips and Autozone.
Never removed the silver portion on the oil filter. I just removed the whole filter housing. Put the new big o ring on and new oil cartridge. As well new crash washer on drain plug. Put oil in and run it. Like I said never changed, unthreaded silver portion since day one of my 2012 Rav4. Just use carb cleaner to get the oil off the outside of the oil filter housing
It's not an enclosed cartridge, the filter sticks out about a third of the way. It would likely spill and make an even bigger mess. This is a horrible design begging for a redesign.
To be honest as a technician I really do like these kits as they make it simple to do the oil change. I do have a modified oil filter drain with a tube so I can drain it into a drain pan & leave them both draining easily. Then it's simple with the wrench like you showed however for my car I do have a metal housing. I pop my filter material on-top of my mesh & then swap over the O rings while also getting a chance to cut my old filter to check for metal. I worked for BMW & those you did also need to change the O-Rings out each time. These really are quicker than you expect and they also prevent starvation and allow you to drain/catch oil easier. No more burnt oil fingers! Seriously I don't get the hate at all. The Ford Oil pans are the ones that should get an I HATE video.
My old 1986 merc has a cartridge filter, but its accessible from the top and faces upward so it doesn't make a mess like this one. The only tool you need is a spanner
@@p2010c Millennial complaints about something being complicated. This is bullshit. My mustang shits it's oil out the plug, I tear the oil filter off, I crank a new one in at 500 horsepower pounds of torque, then I fill that bitch up with a 50 50 mix of Jack Daniels and Red n' Tacky all in less than 15 minutes and my happy ass is back on the road. That truck sounds like aids working on and everyone is already saying most the pieces he bent to get to the oil change have already snapped off. Imagine breaking your truck just to change your oil XD
I'm not a fan of change generally. I don't like that it's a plastic housing, and I don't like that you have to buy a special tool. But ffs it almost looks like you deliberately made this difficult. 1:) Use an additional short extension and your hands won't be bumping into the scratch plate while you're undoing the bolts. 2:) The dripping oil is a non-event - that happens with a regular spin-on filter as well - nothing's changed there so use a drain pan like you normally would instead of complaining about having to hold up a stupid bottle. 3:) And then you went on and on and on complaining about having to change out the paper filter and apply two O-rings - okay it's not quite as quick as swapping out a new filter but again ffs it takes like 30-40 seconds work. I can't help feeling you took some slightly annoying changes and blew them up into a massive complaint just so you'd have a 'SECRET' to expose to the whole world on RUclips. I'm sorry I clicked on this video.
Totally agree. Work smarter, not harder. A simple universal socket would have made the removal of the skid plate much, much easier. Those hooks on the front of the skid plate is there so you can take out the "difficult" bolts up front without the skid plate falling on your face. Also, those oh so annoying cartridge oil filters are not something new. They've been out since the 2GR-FE came out in the Avalon back in 2005. He also failed to mention that the oil change on the S Class probably either involves multiple drain plugs or better yet, don't even have drain plugs because it requires a special tool to suck out the old oil.
I'm going to say he didn't make it look like one of those infomercials for the drama kind of thing. Sure, you get wiser with experience but it really is a pain in the ass like described. My housing broke from whom ever did the change before I recently had due to over tightening. Common problem with the plastic housing.
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I liked the video. I worked as a salesman for Toyota for over 10 years. I was there for this engine change first in the 4Runner and FJ. On the 4.0. The only reason they did it was for environmental reasons. Toyota told us this in training. Apparently to recycle a traditional oil filter is very expensive and this new style is not hard at all. Thanks for the good video. The skid plates are a nightmare to remove.
@@mattscott7037 Thank you for the comment and this info I really appreciate it.
I've been managing a Lube Center for 26 years. I Love Toyota and own a Corolla but I will never buy a New Tacoma. I've always said, if the manufacturer whats you to service your vehicle at a Dealership then lower the price and do it fast. You take your car to the dealer and have to drop it off and wait hours and sometimes days to get it back. Some shops refuse to work on such cars. Even at the dealer some mechanics skip changing the oil filter if there strapped for time. I have some customers complain that their new vehicle took to long to change the oil, they ask me why? I tell them to ask the car company why. Of course they don't like that answer because complaining to a vehicle manufacturer is like complaining to a brick wall.
@@mattscott7037 Is that what they told you? And you believed it? Salesman trainer Zig Ziggler used to say that a salesman will be easier to sell to because they are more likely to buy into sales logic. Sounds like you did too. Follow the money is a quicker way to the truth and Toyota makes a lot more money with this oil filter system
Toyota, WTH were you thinking?
In my 12 years of being a mechanic, not once did i have to remove the middle part of the oil filter housing, which doesn't contain the filter. You can simply unscrew the whole filter housing, and it will leak out of there instead of screwing the middle part and having to change a gasket that never leaks anyways.
I do it the same way.
Same, in all my years working on toyota cars I took of the whole thing, draining it is just a waste of time since your hands are already a mess anyway xD
Brilliant, it's even more useless and annoying than the video shows.
For the DIY, you really cut back on the mess if you pre-drain the canister.
So you're saying you have no issue leaving some dirty oil behind eh?
The engine oil change on the Toyotas is nothing compared to changing the transmission fluid on the Toyota. I would love to hear Toyota's explanation for making routine maintenance so difficult.
because they want you to go to the dealer and pay $500 for it..
Dealerships make 49% of their profits from Parts & Service. Perhaps Dealerships complained to Toyota Corp. that too much money was being lost by DIY chumps like me changing their own oil (37-years in my case)? STEALERSHIPS-to-Customers: "It ain't broke but we're going to FIX it!"
The difficulty in doing these two common maintenance tasks frightens me for other reasons.
When servicing is the mechanic even changing the filter, due to maybe being LAZY since I won't know?
This will also be an excuse for increasing the cost of labor time.
I would be very tempted cut a maintenance panel in that shield.
Exactly. Spin on conversion kits already are available. But my win-the-lottery or name-in-lights plan is get an old Lexus ES300. I see them around in near perfect condition all the time, and why look like you're jack? No one notices a 20-year-old Lexus
I removed mine and left it off. Not a big deal at all . If I was planning to go offroad I'd put it back on, but it's useless on the street
@@edjackson4389 Good approach. People often are afraids to do these minor mods. When you sell the vehicle, just put it back on!
Just throw it away no more need to worry about it
@@anonymike8280My last 3 domestic trucks didn't even come with one. Never needed one either.
I don’t change the bottom o-ring or even open it. I take the entire housing off. I spill less oil than trying to push in the plastic nightmare.
I don't remove the bottom bolt because evidently I must have tightened it too much and I can't unscrew it.
I only change filter once a year. not a problem to me
Agree with your comment.
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Lol this guy true so true
SK has reved his engine one too many times and it exploded.
Lool :)) you are right
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Silver did a great write-up, thumbs up to him, forget Kilmer on this one.
My 2011 Tundra has 250,000 miles on it.
I change my oil every single time, saving$100 every change. It takes 1/2 hour from beginning to end.
Even with the new filter.
Just know ahead of time that u need to take the steps mentioned on the video.
This video is helpful but is exaggerating how hard it is to take the steps.
Just take your time and it's a snap.
I love our Highlander, but I hate its oil filter. It really is an unnecessary pain in the ass compared to any of the canister filters.
I believe the OP is mentioning how they changed the engine so much and made it less convenient to do yourself. Your 2011 car is easy to change the oil in, having to pull the skid plate down and go through three steps to remove the filter is ridiculous. Your filter change is minutes, the new way is much longer.
Sometimes it just takes a little nudge and you're off and running.
Buying into the "how hard it is to change oil" I've been paying the $100 every time I've needed it to get done.
"it's a snap" that's the little nudge I needed. Thanks!
@@BillyBob-fd5ht I don't know man. He can afford a nice truck like that and he does get under there so he can't be that bad.
Yes HIGHLY Exaggerated! Just a bit different.
Saves about $100 over a dealer doing it! I think my local dealer wanted $130+ for my FJ Cruiser oil change. I can do it for about $30!
I bypass the silver disc part. Just leave it on and go straight for the filter housing it self. Dump the oil out of the housing and replace the filter and o-ring. Reinstall the filter housing and no crying involved. Why drain the housing first when it's not necessary? It just creates a bigger mess by getting oil all over the place.
Yeah I used to work at a Toyota dealership as a lube tech and we toss those plastic pieces in the filter kit allllll the time. We just go straight to unscrew in the whole housing to save us time
No crying oh I see you own a Toyota and are offended. He is entitled to his opinion. However he never says that was the hard part but you avoided the part he did say that says everything.
it's not that big of a deal if you're just changing oil on your personal cars, i understand if mechanics are skipping that skip though
Been doing my own oil changes for 40 years and my Tundra took a couple of tries to figure out how to do it w/o a mess. Once you dial it in it is not that hard and less messy that spin on filters that are near horizontal. Great video but it does exaggerate a bit. Instead of a bottle use a short hose into the plastic barbed fitting and let it drain into the pan. Grab a beer and come back later to remove the cartridge for a spill free experience.
It is different but if done with some thought it can be done without a mess. Just use the old bogging.
Keep the videos coming.
I was so stinking mad after my first oil change, I left the skid plate off. Now I only get half as angry.
Sounds just like me
That metal skid plate is actually useful as armour. I'll cut off the plastic crap that's the real problem instead.
However your "electronic fuel injection sequencing unit" will become "damp" and cost you $16,799 to replace... ($6799 for the part and $10,000 labor)
You out smarted them!
You mean 50% angry?
The Engineer found out his wife was cheating on him and decided to release his anger by screwing everyone else.
Dude this is awesome! This really made me laugh!
If it were only that benign and juvenile, my friend! In fact, it is as insidious and greedy as is insinuated in the video! Toyota is cold and calculating, and their interest lies firmly with their profits and its attempt to generate more revenue at the customers expense! As long as the customers exist, who are unaware of that fact, they will continue to put profits ahead of customers. It’s incumbent and crucial that the consumer educate themselves about any major purchase they make! Until then, companies like Toyota will continue giving us less and less value for a higher cost, and that always has a cost beyond the initial investment.
I got a 2013 Camry with the same filter the only difference is there is no skid plate and I do not take that little metal piece off the filter I just take the entire fucking filter off and it's been fine oil don't be everywhere to me I think you crying over nothing because if you ever owned a 2000 Honda Civic the oil filter sits underneath the throttle body and you have to put your entire body under the car and extend your arm through the back side of the engine to unscrew the filter and the worst part is you can't even see how the filter goes into the engine you just got to pray that you line it up just perfectly and not tightening up so hard because if you did it's going to be hard as fuck to get it back out so this ain't shitt
why not? she did.....
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I’ve done it myself, not that hard, better doing it myself than the kid at the dealership screwing it.
Depends on how much you drive. If you had to change your oil every 2 weeks like I do this car would suck.
Yeah as I said in my reply it's not that hard. Well within the range of skills for a do it yourselfer. I actually make dramatically less mess than with a typical filter.
@@OrganicGreens An oil change every 2 weeks sounds like a lot!
Agree, they screwed mine up on oil change #2. Honda is no different as my wife brand new accord came home once from the Honda dealer with a loose oil drain plug. Easier the job with a high risk impacting result = I will do it myself.
for real, definitely don't offer this job to Jiffy Lube. I always do my own oil, Then I know it's done right.
I have been a Toyota fan and owner for a long time. I happen to live next to the North America headquarters of Toyota and have asked them why they made this change.
The answer I received from them was, "We wanted to reduce the amount of waste from oil changes by eliminating the use of a can and instead use a reusable cartridge holder. This results in only needing to replace a paper element and two O-Rings rather than a steel can that has to be broken down and processed. However, a side affect is that the cartridge holder is more difficult to use."
Figured this was the case. Having performed a few of these oil changes on my wife's Sequoia, I've started to develop a system and its not that bad. I do like not throwing out a huge chunk of metal every time so I'll live with it.
yeh VW / Audi group have done it also, and MINI. The VW / Audi are easy to get at tho
Sure but why so hard to get to?
The harder it is to do yourself the more you need the dealership. Don't let them fool you they care about the environment
If they really cared about cutting down waste, they would not have a pointless plastic crap vanity cover on the engine
Should make a mod by cutting an access hole to eliminate removing skid plate!
Pro Pilot Pete or just don’t have fat ass hands. Simple put rags on top of skid plate (help with the overflow) and remove the filter from above the skid plate plenty of room.
They do sell more beefy skid plates that have a removable access compartment for the oil filter
Even if u cut a 6’ access it will still be Pain because it seems to be designed to remove from above. It would still be a pain. You should pull have to cut it like off center in order to stick your arm in there... anyways all around flaw
Yea no doubt maybe just pull the motor to change the oil.
I did that to my old pathfinder. Was thinking of doing it on Tundra too. Only five years old lol the shines not quite off
I've always taken it for granted that I could change my own oil very easily. But after seeing this, I will always check the oil filter location before buying another vehicle.
I can't imagine not buying one of the most reliable vehicles on earth because changing the oil takes a few minutes longer......
@@racer0316 exactly a lot of people’s taking to the shop any way beside that if you don’t drive a lot you probably change oil couple times a year.
Just changed my 19 taco. Dropping the akid was easy enough. I did nees to by the wrench which was cheap enough and i gotta say i dont dislike it. Cleanest oil change ive ever done
I mean it’s not that big if you only do it like twice a ywar
everyone has changed to these for pretty much every vehicle. i think the only ones left are the big diesels in trucks.
I cut a square hole in mine, big enough to get the filter wrench in there, works perfect !
U don’t need to release the oil in canister , just unscrew the entire canister.
The CEO of Toyota told his employees “no more boring cars” and this is the result.
Yeah this seems like a very exciting oil change. Nothing boring about this.
@@samadrid6321 New Camry doesn't have this crap
ha ha good one
@@samadrid6321 cost more money to take it to a shop
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I guess he is one of them LOL he block me words to 😂
He likes Toyotas but he hates this oil change setup too
That's why Scotty keeps his old Celica, it is easy to maintain.
@@abelincoln332 and about at his level of repair ability
Stupid design Scotty approve
Great! Now Jiffy Lube will never change your oil filter but charge you full price.
That what I am really afraid of!
You can literally watch them the entire time if you wish. Make sure they change it. My shop always changes them. It takes an extra 15 minutes, but we don't charge extra.
I work for a jiffy and these aren’t that hard and you don’t even need to empty the filter just Spin off and send it
@@asainlover67 most shops don't let you go inside where they are working, you can watch from about 15 feet away. Which does not give a close up of detail.
Also 15 minutes to change a oil filter, i can do that in about 3 minutes or less on most vehicles
They didn't change mine anyway and it was right in front of their damn face.
I'm no mechanic but I change the oil on my 2015 Rav4 (same procedure) without too much hassle. I don't mess with the silver disc and the drain plug though, I just take the whole filter housing off like a regular oil filter. Having to take off the underbody guard on the Tacoma is unfortunate - but I would sacrifice some convenience for added durability.
Same on my 08 Sienna 3.5. Toyota could have designed a hinged trap door to access the filter housing if they wanted to. GM did it in the 90's for the S10's and Sonomas.
tip from a pro, dont mess with the filter drain part just remove the whole filter its not that much oil and way faster and leaves less possible problems with the drain seal breaking later. also you have nevr done a service on a Benz. yeah you can see the filter what you dont see is the monster skid plate that needs removal and the 4-5 gaskets on the filter that need to be done, neither are any easier.
The BMW and Mercedes engines shown at the beginning have similar cartridge filters. They're a little easier to get at, but otherwise, they're very similar in that the have separate o-rings, need special tool, etc. They both also recommend sucking the oil out of the dipstick tube instead of removing the splash pan under the car and draining it.
Oh yeah and some BMW don't even have a dip stick you have to warm up the car then wait for the computer to tell you if it's full. To me that's stupid.
I have a 2013 bmw 328i the splash pan has a small opening window under the drain plug
Horrible design, like every BMW and Mercedes engine for that matter. Can't fit your hands in them to change a light bulb. Let alone anything important.
This is designed to generate income for the dealership!
This is a design for a planned obsolescence.
No one is making you take it to the dealership
Chou yang aka (chop suey)
This videos are for DIY people
Get out off You Tube with your stupid comments. 🤣🤣🤣
Of course. Anything to fuck the DIY'er. Thanks Toyota.
@@SuperAsian78 You lyka flied cat Joe ??
Just changed my Tundras oil. Didn't think it was that bad
You ignore several important things in this video.
First of all, by having the oil filter at the bottom of an engine, metal particles, sediment, etc. will fall to the lowest point in the engine, namely where the oil filter is located.
Secondly, from years of changing my own oil filters on several model cars, when the spin on oil filter is located on the top or side of the engine, there’s always oil leaks draining down the side of an engine when the spin on oil filter is removed, which means (usualY, you have to use a spray cleaner to remove the oil leaking down the side of the engine (hence, more solution).
In addition, the EPA requires dealers to recycle oil change components and that the oil that remains in an oil filter has to be squeezed out before disposing of the oil filter. If you have a spin on oil filter, the metal housing must be cut off and then the paper filter media can be removed and the excess oil be squeezed out.
If a replaceable paper element is used, it’s easier for the dealer to remove the oil residue or else the spin on filter must be sent out to a recycler to have the metal housing and excess oil removed.
If this isn’t done and the spin on oil filter is just thrown in the garbage, there’s potential for oil contamination to leak into ground water.
Just a few things to consider.
i totally agree with you mate its the sad truth
Great response 👍
First, the only top engine oil filters that I have changed are on Mercedes, and they never drip or leak down the side of the engine. I’m curious what specific brand vehicles you have done where are you have experienced side drips? Second, no, the dealers do not need to cut off the tops of the oil filters and then squeeze the oil out of the paper filters. They simply drain as much oil as they can while they’re doing the oil change service, and then toss those into a barrel. I have worked at the service department in two large dealers in California and owned my own repair facility. We all hire a service that takes care of the oil filters and the used oil.
Chris what he means by leaks is that overtime and maybe around a 120,000 miles those oil filter housing gaskets leak. And when they leak oil everywhere. So if the oil filter does leak it won't leak all over your engine.
the oil drain plug is the lowest point on a wet sump system
Yep, this was designed by accountants, not engineers.
Toyota Dealership oil changes on my 4-Runner in Canada are cheap, not worth doing yourself. $70.00
Get your blame right mate.
Management makes the decisions. In reality Accountants only prepare information that Management uses.
Just as Engineers are dictated the budget and directive ( to make things harder and screw the users).
Looks like Management makes the unpopular decision and the Accountants, Engineers and other workers is to be blamed by your understanding.
Management are the only ones that try to be smart and rip people off in pursuit of making their wallets fatter since their remunerations are tied to company profits.
Engineers and Accountants only get paid a flat rate.
Get your blame right.
26 for the oil and filter. Cut a hole in the skid-plate and save half the money.
@@crxdelsolsir accountants are part of management in many instances.
@@spuriouseffect that's what I do. Careful with full synthetic oil on older Tundras. Keep your oil changes to 5000 miles and not the 10,000 the dealership recommends when they switch you.
What a crazy design!! Heard people talking about it, but never seen it until now. Great video!! Thank you!
I love the Toyota brand and want to stay loyal and don't like this one at all. The people online in forums and much more serious about their feelings!
Won’t be buying one of these
@@SilverCymbal i guess we'll staying away from the tacoma until they change the design of the oil filter location.
I have changed oil on my vehicles for over 50 years, I am 72. When we bought a Subaru Forester in September of 2013, I was amazed at where the oil filter was. So easy to change. Then last summer I naively helped my brother change oil in his 2016 Toyota Tacoma. What a fiasco that was. We never did get the filter off, but did change the oil. Then I did some online RUclips checking and found out about the required special cup to get the filter off. So instead of going to the Toyota dealership to get their "special' cup, I went to Amazon and got one that I am sure was cheaper. Still the process is a real pain in the ass and so messy. Whoever thought up that design at Toyota probably got a hefty salary increase.
Advantage this style Toyota is trap all particle oil in the filter. The other design for upper filter style is may not trap all particle oil due to the oil gravity can be return back to the engine. Also, elbow junction for upper oil filter have o ring gasket and will be crack that cause potential oil leak!
One) You might be able to get a kit that allow the installation of a remote oil filter, eliminating the need to remove and reinstall the skid plate. Two) One of the people here says there is an aftermarket fitting you can put on there which allows you to use a spin-on oil filter.
The aftermarket fitting allowing for a spin-on filter costs over $200!
@@HCWHunter If you need to axe, you can't afford it.
@@anonymike8280 Axe?!? Are we cutting trees or changing oil? I could afford it but I'd rather pay for 4 synthetic oil changes than buy an aftermarket fitting to fix something that isn't broken.
@@HCWHunter I deliberately put that in there. The word is used in Ebonic English and white Southern English in place of "ask". It is also means the same in Middle English. I saw it in Chaucer. I've had one undergraduate and one graduate English course where we read Chaucer in the original.
I do my own oil changes. If I had that model of Toyota, I would just do it. There are a bunch of videos that between them show you some of the tricks.
@@anonymike8280 Oh, I know where the word comes from, and I know the ebonics crowd didn't get it from Chaucer! I just can't fathom why you would use it in this context. Your attempt to justify its use here is rather pedantic.
I have done plenty of oil changes on my various cars over the years and have already done a couple of changes on my Tacoma as well after the 2 years of ToyotaCare free oil changes expired. My point was the spin-off adaptor is a rather expensive fix for something that isn't broken. My only problem is with the relatively inaccessible location of the filter, not the type, but it's really NBD. I've gotten to the point in my retired life that I often have better things to do than crawl under my truck getting dirty and having to dispose of used oil, so I'll probably just pay to have it done for me most of the time.
I've noticed that with this design, you can see any possible debris/metal shavings that may settle in the oil filter. I don't know if they designed it that way, but I was able to find larger particles in that filter housing since it's so low in the system. Gravity causes all the particles to settle at the filter and drain pan, hopefully causing it to be less likely lifted into the engine. The filter housing was a one-piece, all metal unit which is different from the two piece design you showed here. (2011 Toyota Sienna AWD)
Well, explain why the oil filter assembly is packed up in the engine behind the skid plate like everybody is trying to steal it. There is an upside admittedly, but that upside could be a lot more accessible.
@@alexwalker8422 hi, Alex. it should be up high so that it will be protected from road debris and other things like speed bumps. Imagine driving over shredded tire treads on the highway and having the oil filter ripped out. It would be a vulnerable part of the underside of the vehicle.
They gave magnets that are really strong that you can put in the oil pan when new or after a rebuild to catch metal shavings off the parts. But I am sure the filter will catch them.
Definitely the most stupid design!
@@plowe6751 Bugatti is the worst. Its skid plate covers the whole undercarriage
With this truck I foresee the oil change places not even bothering with changing the filters and the customer would be none the wiser with that setup.
Very sad but that could totally be true.
yea if they did it with normal oil filters lol can bet your ass they are going to look at this and say fuck that!
I didn't think about that but you are dead on right. No way will they spend four or five times longer
@@jamesm568 I don't trust the dealership for a simple oil change; I wouldn't in a million years bring my vehicle to a quickielube shop.
@@jamesm568 They'll screw it up alright but it won't be on anything that they worked on. Took a 4runner once for an AC recharge and a year later, just after the warranty expired, the transmission started overheating. Cause: xmission oil overfilled to the dipstick tube. Who put the excess oil? I know I didn't.
This is like the infomercials that show guys having a super hard time with normal tasks.
This dude is so whiny lol its really not hard to do.
@@zerogravityindicator it's not but it's a lot harder than it needs to be a spin on canister filter would be easier
Normal would be turning the old oil filter with your hand, replacing with new one, done. Lunchtime.
Toyota engineering is getting worse as the older engineers retire. Younger engineers are just not as good. Educated in schools that emphasize political correctness over practical engineering.
hosocat 1 it all comes down to getting engineers that are willing to do things for profit and not practicality.
Money speaks louder
@hosocat True. 2014 corolla is the perfect example. Toyota used a CVT instead of the proven conventional automatics. Now they have a "secret transmission recall". Toyota sabotaged their most popular vehicle.
Just noticing as a certificated aircraft mechanic, the one advantage this design has is being able to inspect the filament for metal debris to find engine damage before it is catastrophic. In aviation we have to cut the filter open to do this inspection.
@Shelly B. I used to work at Chrysler building trucks, and your right, they make things so the average person has to take it in for service or part changes...
more then likely your truck is not going to fall out of the sky
Hello, this is an automobile, not an aircraft. So, absolutely NO need for it. The standard system works just fine.
It’s not a difficult oil change at all. I’ve seen much worse.
@@Justin-dy2ib I've seen the video, it is a bitch.
Yep , I love my Toyota’s but the oil filters are shit to get to . What were they thinking on an otherwise great vehicles .
100% agree
Why, they were thinking about driving profitable traffic to their dealerships and wringing every nickel possible from customers who value reliability over economy. By the way, I own two Toyotas and have owned a lot more over the last 45 years. Still, that's what I've seen become Toyota's way of doing business and I don't like it one damn bit.
Toyota probably did this so you will go to the Dealer to do the oil change. ONLY reason I can imagine.
@@markkoons7488 quoted me $120 for oil change for our 2010 Prius, so I order the special tools, new plastic oil filter housing, filters & o-rings & will go out of my way to DIY as a point of conviction for DIY. I will make a youtube video, ongoing, to document the messy headache!
@Kalambong Kalambong There's a strong emotional appeal to that solution. I hope Toyota's third vice president in charge of oil filter location gets wind of this conversation. Somebody, maybe a whole committee of somebodies, deserve vigorous kicks in the shins.
Got my 2010 Taco running strong doing my own oil changes. This video makes me want to keep it forever. How is this system better than the screw on filters?
I’m sure it’s not better. Just cheaper. & that scary. I was hoping they didn’t get greedy like the rest
What a pain in the ass for a thing that is supposed to be common maintenance. What a joke.
It works well, the problem is it needs access panel and front splitter redesign. Canister filters are good and seep nothing, less wear on oil coolers almost all cars have now. Plus they cost way more to make, if there wasn't benefits it wouldn't make sense. I do not think oil changes cost any more on these do they??
Cut out a access hole in the skid plate approximately where the oil Cartledge system is one simple opening will save taking the skid plate on and off.
Original Toyota 4 runners and pickups 1990 era had skid plates that we modified around oil filter area to stop taking the skid plate off. When we modified skid plates we took them off then copper coated or anti seized the bolts priority reassembly so the bolts will not rust in from not removing them on oil change intervals
Even rear brake assembly on wrong direction on 2009 Camry !!!!!
my RX400 is just as stupid.
Did you hear about the variable rate oil pumps that lose their prime if you take longer than ten minutes to do the oil change? Then no oil is pumped on startup and engine blows. Engineering a time limit on a critical service is just plain stupid.
Why pull the silver end cap first? Wouldn’t it be easier to just drop the entire assembly with the oil in it and then drain the oil out?
Yes you can do that and 1/4-1/2 quart runs down the complete sides of the filter housing saturating every bit of it. It's loaded with indents and mold marks, so you either clean it after or let it dribble for the next two days.
That’s the easy way to do it, only one o-ring to replace, no drama, no crying.
The 1.5k thumbs down are from mechanics that don't really have a problem with any oil filter location thrown at them.
100% right on!
And have a vehicle lift, mobile oil catch, battery tools, etc.
Tbh upside down filters are the best gravity keeps the oil from spilling out the filter
An easily serviced oil filter means they lose business - just because a lot of us don't want to deal with the PITA involved.
This video is spot-on and I can relate to the frustration. I changed the oil this weekend on both my Tundra and Lexus RX-350. What a workout. I think I made up some new curse words. What a needlessly complex and messy procedure. Even putting new oil in the oil spout is an ordeal, especially for the Lexus. A funnel only fits a few inches in the opening so I had to hold the funnel with one hand while pouring out of a 5 qt bottle with the other. Of course I spilled oil, as usual. In fact, whenever I buy supplies to change oil in these Toyotas I include a bag of cat litter to soak up my mistakes. Btw, just discovered that they make a special funnel that screws into the oil spout- I should have known. Mine arrived today so I’ll be a bit more prepared next time.
There is more profit for the dealer in scheduled maintenance and service repairs than new car sales, but that's no excuse to screw the guy that just wants to change his own oil. My GF worked in the dealer service dept and her supervisor told her that NO ONE leaves here with a bill less than $600. or else.
Letting Toyota owners know right now jiffylube's quick lubes ect' are not gonna mess with that filter.
You'll have to watch them like a hawk.
Solution, don't take your cars to lube shops. Ever.
Don't ever take your vehicles to any lube shop. they either use old recycle oil or not change your oil at all and forget about getting a new oil filter. lol
@@panike
I take my car to a lube place but they're also a mechanic shop and they'll do it for 20 bucks if I bring them the oil and filter.
Dont take it there. Jiffylube employees are not mechanics.
@@tomdarkart1
You don't really need to be a mechanic to change oil, it's not that difficult.
Well the 2019 has been changed. There's a cut out for the skid plate.
This video is full of mistakes, it's very poorly researched.
There’s no cut out still have to take off skid plate, I work at a Toyota dealership
I like my old 06 nissan frontier. There is a small plate to remove to get to the filter but I can very easily just go in from the side by the front of the suspension and get to the filter. Two stupid bolts to waste more time removing where I just avoid it altogether. Granted it's no toyota but I like the looks of it better than that era of taco turds.
@Zach M. The TRD Pro Skid Plate has had the oil filter access panel since 2017, no need to remove it.
Yup, he must change oil of Mercedes glc lol
Remove the air dam and leave it off! Makes it so much easier and you’ll love the way your Tacoma looks without it.
There's going to be a lot of toyotas without skidplates later on
Most of Tundras have broken bolts snapped in the frame on from skidplates because techs usually overtorque them. It's so bad; lot of dealers usually throw out the skidplate because it was down to being hold up by two bolts.
I worked at two Presidents Award dealers that did multiple tricks. One trick is to retap holes (which takes long process to do and the usual customer doesn't want to wait around for.) Other is to drill holes through busted bolt and slide through longer bolts from the top, install skidplate, and use nuts to secure. Since I'm in the rustbelt state; this problem is quite normal especially on the last gens that are pushing 175k+ miles or 8+ yrs. There's the other issue with broken "J" hooks that are rusted out and its no where impossible to reinstall without having it rattle. That's when it doesn't go back on. I can tell you there's tiny percentage of techs using the drain valves on the canisters at Toyota dealers. Here's why; you're expected to get these vehicles done in 20 minutes and it just adds more time. You can empty the canister without making so called huge mess; its linked to being used to servicing ZR-FEs because those cainsters don't have drain valves. Hell, I mastered process just breaking them loose, slowly spin them off by hand, slowly tip the cainster to drain out the oil that I was able to do oil changes in my driveway without even having spill cardboard on the ground for my 2AR-FE Camry. I'm not tech anymore got tired of getting paid crap for too much dealer drama & politics.
@@autoworker12345 That's sad. Too much work and unpaid time to do an easy out.. Heck if the backside is open you can just use a regular drill and hope it catches and spins the broken bit all the way through to the other side.
I wouldnt leave home without it though.
@@thegrimreaper819 just uber..
Also, the dipstick is very confusing, if you just put the recommended quantity of oil, you would expect to see the oil level somewhere between the lower and upper marks, right? Well, in fact, you will see the oil smeared anywhere in the dipstick, with no clear indication that you have poured the right amount. So, After several oil changes I got to the conclusion that I just pour the 6.1 quarter and forget about checking the dipstick.
I didn't;t even mention that one, There are no cross hatch marks on the stick and it is almost impossible to read. One side looks overfilled, the other undefiled. Craziness that this is so bizarre, Great point on this one.
I have no problem reading it at all
C. Gomez but if you can't read the dip-stick ...and the cartilage is not sealed properly on one of the rings and you begin to loose a lot of oil by the time you find out it's too late...that's why an oil gauge is a must...
Yet ANOTHER reason I don’t want to trade my 2012 Tacoma! The new ones have less torque for towing, “on paper” more horsepower, MARGINALLY better mpg, and now harder and more expensive to work on! BIG win for Toyota.....not so much for me!!! My 2012 Tacoma has been a SPECTACULAR vehicle! Guess I will keep it!
Good move! Newer is not always better.
Funny on my Lexus LS460 the small silver plate is usually on so tight that the entire black plastic filter housing unscrews with it, thereby making the excess oil spill all over the place when removed. Lexus did make a rectangular cutout in the bottom plastic engine cover to unscrew to get access to the oil filter. For some reason, squirrels are hiding all their acorns there so it is like opening a piñata of acorns when changing my oil filter.
This is what happens when a car manufacture is trying to discourage you from doing your own maintenance.
Toyota America created those problems not the original Japanese engineering and manufacturers.
I have never owned a vehicle which removing the oil filter was not a messy job requiring cleaning the engine and frame afterwards. This doesn’t look as bad as he makes it seem. And buying a funnel would really make sense refilling the oil.
Doesn't look like really hard to do. Also this drain (bottle draining) seems to be just an optional to use - made especially for DIY users, who doesn't want oil on their paving. Long time dripping happens also in can filters.
And about that plastic covering screws - try using ratchet without extension.
I see Toyota has hired some GM engineers.
globalists. they want everyone to be subservient and dependent. DIY is forbidden.
Ha ha. Good one.
Luckily it wasn't Ford, or it would drain water into the oil pan and blow your engine while simultaneously blowing the spark plugs out of their holes.
Ha ha
Salty man Reviews lol
2019 Rav4 went back to spin-on filter - maybe the trucks will change...
There is hope then!!!!
My 2017 Toyota Corolla LE has a spin on filter about the size of honda civic's one , and it is sideways ! Yep I won the lottery with it
My 19 corolla has spin on that’s sideways. Not that bad.
Like you showed, the Subaru and others are so much easier. After watching this, I will never buy a Toyota truck. Thanks for the informative video.
Diesel Nine I’m sure the American made trucks have their design flaws as well. No vehicle is completely perfect. Tacomas are the most reliable dependable trucks on the planet and hold their value much better then any American made truck. Hate to say it but it’s true. If someone decides not to buy a Tacoma cuz it’s a little difficult to change the oil....that’s just stupid.
depends which toyota. The Highlander and Lexus RX take about 25 min. Don't drain the cartridge, just take the cartridge off into the oil pan, drain oil, put new filter in and put new oil in. Use ramps. The 4Runner and Lexus GX take an hour but still pretty easy
This system will inspire someone to make some form of aftermarket filter mod and go back to using regular filters.
an adapter that loctites in place of the filter cartiage holder, that stays permenently attached and the older style screw on filter can be used always. maybe denso or dorman companies. the only problem is toyota would probaly not honor the factory warranty if the vehicle is still newer.
There already is for some toyota models. An adapter so you can use a traditional oil filter.
@@jongonegone1262 just put oem filter back when taking it for warranty claims. If you change the oil yourself then probably you dont take the car to a dealer for regular service anyways.
You should just cut a hole through your skid plate big enough for you to get to the oil filter through it and then make a cover for the hole to screw into the skid plate
1) use an impact for skid plate removal. they are cheap and your gonna use it to make other maintenance easier.
2) the hooks are there so you can hang the skid plate to make removal and install easier
3) just screw off the filter cap with a drain pan under it for God's sake. not that hard
4) MANY vehicles use a cartridge style filter. they are cheaper and produce less waste. it's not even remotely hard to replace a damn o-ring and a paper filter.
Acting like you have to replace the starter on a Northstar engine or something man. jesus christ
Leo Jerger I AGREE ! YEAHHH .😀👍
Agree, after working on German cars for a while, this process didn't really seem that hard. He failed to mention that you most always have to take off plastic plates under a German car to get to the drain plug(s).
Yup, I’m sorry you have to replace o rings? Dude should go to jiffy line if he thinks this is a pain
Brilliant video! Is it a little tongue-in-cheek?, sure but no problem. About to buy one of these trucks and I am really glad I saw this going in...but it won't make me change my mind. At 59 I'm still doing my own oil changes from the floor (Maybe I'll get that lift I want for a birthday or something, who knows). Overall a great job explaining what's involved. It will definitely be the most difficult oil change I will have ever had to do, but oh well. For a once a year task, I can live with it. I don't put a lot of miles on my equipment. Thanks for taking the time to make this vid. I've liked and subscribed!
Sounds like an opportunity for an entrepreneur to make an adapter kit.
They make an adapter for the can oil filter
A oil cap torque wrench maybe...
there are already conversion kits available,,,
I would cut holes in the air dam so I could access the bolts.... and get the cartridge conversion. But maybe I would buy a different brand of truck. Brand loyalty evaporates when they pull stunts like this. I have dumped Procter and gamble already.
yep
They make adaptors for this already to use standard oil filter. Could also add relocation kit and move filter up top if you want, but will require more oil.
I need to check into those, likely will void any warranty though :(
There's going to be a lot of people selling hundred thousand mile Toyota trucks with two oil changes
Jay Allen .... hahahahaha
It’s really not that bad. It is annoying to remove the skid plate though.
My Camry uses a nearly identical oil filter housing, I just thought it was neat and interesting, it seemed a little less messy than a standard filter on the bottom, especially if it's in an awkward place where you have to keep the filter perfectly upright as you weave it through parts or risk spilling oil out of the still full filter. The Camry doesn't have the dumb skid plate though
Why fix if it ain't broken! What's wrong with screw in filter? I'm starting to see German technology on Toyotas lately, not a good idea
kclefthanded 427
Yeah, over complicate the design to make it cheaper and fail more readily. That’s what I’ve seen with my son’s Audi. He always took it to the dealership for service...expensive. Darn think stopped on him 3 times. Two failed fuel injectors and one broken timing chain. The car went to salvage at 122,000 miles. Expensive junk. I hope Toyota doesn’t follow Germany’s overly complicated, failure prone engineering.
Toyota is going back to the screw-in filters .
Terrible! Still better than the (new) Ford Ranger have to take the front wheel off lol
Really?
Are you serious?
Yeah look up videos on how to change the oil on them.. Theres a way to do it without taking the wheel off but it's more involved
Daniel Pan yup lol
Shahzad khilji yes
I'm sure glad there is no skid plate in my 2009 RAV4 (just a plastic splash guard which is only in the way if draining the transmission fluid.)
Definitely a big plus
I love changing my oil on my Trd off-road 2020.
Great video. I agree, it could be faster if I did not have to remove the skid plate from under just to remove a filter.
I highly recommend you buy an aluminum housing that holds the filter in place, instead of the plastic one that comes with the vehicle. Instead of the oil drain bolt, I have a permanent relieve valve. No unscrewing necessary. Have a blessed day.
Never knew what that plastic nozzle was for. I just always took off filter without draining.
No need for that skid plate for 90% of owners... don’t put it back on.
98% of owners only go off road when it snows. LMAO!!! 🤣🤣🤣
My skid plate has met a bunch of rocks and such like. Nicely dented but my power train is fine. I am thankful for it.
Living in the mountains and tracking animals in the mountains and deserts you should have skid plates. Gotta do something when forced to retire.
Drive hard, be safe.
Le3eFrereBrunet mines not as smashed as usual but I definitely need a thicker stronger one
Simple
or cut off some of the metal/plastic that is in the way of the bolts, then you can bolt/unbolt straight up
I can see many a skid plate missing over the years as ppl decide not to put them back on.
mike mckeown it depends on what skid plates they have. Mine is oil change friendly (cbi overland skids) not everyone makes it that way though.
The sales of 4" holesaws just got boosted. Careful with that much diameter: when it bites, you can get a pretty good kick. If the drill has a place for a second stability handle, put that thing on.
I'd just mod that thing with a hole then make a removable cover from the cut out left over.
Good clip, you show some of the frustrations of being a DIY mechanic i.e. working off the ground, oily mess, difficulties R&R'ing components, etc. My Toyota has the same filter type and its no problem anymore. For mechanic work, I use an extra thick and slightly oversized latex glove that covers the wrist and doesn't tear. I use the thin ones to keep chemicals off my skin on other projects.
Funny I just did my RAV4 oil change today ,Always a pain with this system.
Yes! I had to research the design of this filter before I even attempted my first oil change on my Rav4. Piss poor design is an attempt by Toyota to get the average do it yourselfer to give up and go to the dealer.
Yep, I have never done my oil and filter change on my wife's Rav, I just pick up my oil and filter Royal Purple HPS with RP filter and take it to my loyal mechanic, just saying motor on.
We just bought a highlander and I found it such a pain to do the oil change too. At least the Highlander is not as bad the Tacoma. You might want to look into a filter relocation kit if you plan on keeping the truck for a while.
Cheers
I'd cut a hole in that skid plate. Maybe put a removable cover over the hole.
Good idea, same if carpet is covering the fuel pump/filter cover under the rear seat. Cut out the panel and use velcro to keep it in place.
Is there no adapter on the market yet?
The TRD pro skid plate has a a plate to access the oil filter and a hole for the drain plug
To bad toyota engineers are not up to it!
It’s a splash guard, don’t make it feel better
This design is amazing and I'll tell you why. If you're a mechanic who cares about oil analysis and cuts open their old oil filters to monitor for ferrous metals, this cartridge oil filter is a lot easier to open up and fan out. You'll catch bearing failure much faster, get an idea of wear, and you don't need to pay for a dealer to catch those things. The placement could have been better, but Toyota was thinking about the needs of real mechanics who care about longevity in their engines and proper at home maintenance. They took a page out of the aircraft maintenance field and I'm a fan.
This is simple to do and been doing this once a year with my 2010 Tundra and this is pretty much the only thing you do with this reliable trucks.
m3cs4 it pretty obvious this guy hasn’t try changing the oil on a BMW or Benz because it’s not owner friendly to work on but yet he showed just the top filter as examples yet yet ever car had an under tray,
Been servicing my car with the same type of filter housing according to service repair manual, never find it difficult. This guy is worst than aussies by complaining about small things. I work on cars for a living and if it wasnt your passion or interest, better take your car to a shop while having your nails done.😂
@@kurtleonce6221 Just FYI the Subaru mentioned has an under-tray with a factory built in cutout for the oil drain.
@@kurtleonce6221 dip stick suction. It's awesome. Easy and gets out more oil than the drain plug. Ive been doing it for years, and you can watch mercedes source channel video where he does a dip stick suction after a drain plug is done, and gets out 1/4-1/2 liter more whit thr plug still out.
I just yelled as he was about to place new filter on ground lol
Wow...awesome video! I don't own a Tundra but that wore me out just watching!
Yep that just ensured I’ll never buy one too.
I used to own a Toyota Corolla. The filter also pointed downward, and it was only accessible from the floor. Although it used a spin-on filter, it was at mid level of the engine, that you really needed an extension to drive the filter wrench. Not so easy.
Thankfully, the new Tacoma Gen 3 with a 4-cylinder engine still use the screw on cartridge filter. Only the 6-cylinder engines have this multi-phase oil filter.
I was also pleased. Our 4-cyliner was due for it's third change and the shop was trying to schedule us a week and a half out; no, thanks. I did it myself, thanks to RUclips and Autozone.
Never removed the silver portion on the oil filter. I just removed the whole filter housing. Put the new big o ring on and new oil cartridge. As well new crash washer on drain plug. Put oil in and run it. Like I said never changed, unthreaded silver portion since day one of my 2012 Rav4. Just use carb cleaner to get the oil off the outside of the oil filter housing
Thought im the only one never remove the center nipple, but in a while I think I have to do so to change the gasket
That's unbelievable ,that you have to go thru to so many difficulties for a simple oil change !!!...Shame to TOYOTA !!!
thankfully they make adapter for screw on types-scotty kilmer had video on it last month
True, but it's hella expensive
Shouldn’t you have put oil in the filter first before installing
No it's not a huge truck filter
It's not an enclosed cartridge, the filter sticks out about a third of the way. It would likely spill and make an even bigger mess. This is a horrible design begging for a redesign.
No - not necessary...
You do if it's a Subaru
To be honest as a technician I really do like these kits as they make it simple to do the oil change. I do have a modified oil filter drain with a tube so I can drain it into a drain pan & leave them both draining easily. Then it's simple with the wrench like you showed however for my car I do have a metal housing. I pop my filter material on-top of my mesh & then swap over the O rings while also getting a chance to cut my old filter to check for metal.
I worked for BMW & those you did also need to change the O-Rings out each time. These really are quicker than you expect and they also prevent starvation and allow you to drain/catch oil easier. No more burnt oil fingers!
Seriously I don't get the hate at all. The Ford Oil pans are the ones that should get an I HATE video.
I'm way past doing my own, but if I were taking it someplace to have it done, I want to see the old filter. I can see it not being changed
Jiffy lube is notorious for not changing the filter.
Never go to Jiffy Lube. Never!
Been wondering all along what the plastic thing contained in the filter package for until I came across this educational video,thank you sir
Welcome back to the '60's. This system used to be standard.
My dad's 1953 Ford had a filter like this??????????
@@davidcox2197 Okay?????? Why? The? Fuck? Do? You? Need? So? Many? Fucking? Question? Marks????????????????????
My old 1986 merc has a cartridge filter, but its accessible from the top and faces upward so it doesn't make a mess like this one. The only tool you need is a spanner
steve lane milenials complaints. He should try to replace an electric water pump in a BMW.
@@p2010c Millennial complaints about something being complicated. This is bullshit. My mustang shits it's oil out the plug, I tear the oil filter off, I crank a new one in at 500 horsepower pounds of torque, then I fill that bitch up with a 50 50 mix of Jack Daniels and Red n' Tacky all in less than 15 minutes and my happy ass is back on the road. That truck sounds like aids working on and everyone is already saying most the pieces he bent to get to the oil change have already snapped off. Imagine breaking your truck just to change your oil XD
You Hit the nail on the head!! "owner's will not do their own oil changes"
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Hahahahahahahahaha U killing me smalls.
What is all this Kilmer stuff; he is no king.
How would you prime the filter then? . I wonder what Scotty kilner would say about this
Except you're wrong, the new Toyota Supra has the oil filter on top, cause they asked BMW to give them an engine 🤣🤣🤣
I'm not a fan of change generally. I don't like that it's a plastic housing, and I don't like that you have to buy a special tool. But ffs it almost looks like you deliberately made this difficult. 1:) Use an additional short extension and your hands won't be bumping into the scratch plate while you're undoing the bolts. 2:) The dripping oil is a non-event - that happens with a regular spin-on filter as well - nothing's changed there so use a drain pan like you normally would instead of complaining about having to hold up a stupid bottle. 3:) And then you went on and on and on complaining about having to change out the paper filter and apply two O-rings - okay it's not quite as quick as swapping out a new filter but again ffs it takes like 30-40 seconds work. I can't help feeling you took some slightly annoying changes and blew them up into a massive complaint just so you'd have a 'SECRET' to expose to the whole world on RUclips. I'm sorry I clicked on this video.
Totally agree. Work smarter, not harder. A simple universal socket would have made the removal of the skid plate much, much easier. Those hooks on the front of the skid plate is there so you can take out the "difficult" bolts up front without the skid plate falling on your face. Also, those oh so annoying cartridge oil filters are not something new. They've been out since the 2GR-FE came out in the Avalon back in 2005. He also failed to mention that the oil change on the S Class probably either involves multiple drain plugs or better yet, don't even have drain plugs because it requires a special tool to suck out the old oil.
I'm going to say he didn't make it look like one of those infomercials for the drama kind of thing. Sure, you get wiser with experience but it really is a pain in the ass like described.
My housing broke from whom ever did the change before I recently had due to over tightening. Common problem with the plastic housing.
@@chrischapman276 I disagree. Total drama queen! Should be selling Oxi Clean.
Honestly, I like oil filters in the bottom. The oil doesnt spill all over the engine
After the engine gets shut off the oil actually drains back into the block so the oil filter is empty. No mess
Speaking of delicate plastic housing, what’s the torque value for the housing and disk?
This guy hasn’t don’t an oil filter on a new Honda or ford where you need to remove skid plates as well. Volkswagens are the same as well 🤔🤷🏻♂️
Something to look for when buying a car.
Maybe not all Volkswagens. Removing the oil filter on my GTI is very easy.
Mk7 Golf is very easy
They are called poor designs.
The Honda floor pan goes on and off easily. Many new vehicles have such a pan. It's all about streamlining to make the EPA mandated MPG figures.
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I like Toyotas, but don't ever be loyal to a brand just cause. Make them earn your money!!
Brand loyalty is the dumbest thing that a consumer can do. The manufacturer should be loyal to its customers and earn the money, not the other way around!