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@@haverhillebike I'm not an expert, but I think the BMS may play a part, Is a 52v going to out put more then a 48v if both have a BMS with a max output of 30amps? I don't know.
my friend voltage dosent matter so much if your battery pack is weak, u will get a big voltage drop if the battery is small, you need a battery that has more batteries connected in parralel, reducing amp draw from each cell, reducing overall voltage drops... if the battery is rated 1000w 52v , the 1500w rated 48 battery will still be quicker my friend... it;s simple
I@bassw1758 it depends on the motor. For example. Say you have a 48v 1500w motor and a 52v 1500w motor. Higher voltages makes the wheel spin faster. While. Higher currents give more torque. At 48v 1500w motor will have more torque than a 52v motor, because it's getting more current. But the 52v would have a higher top speed than the 48v
Ive got a 52v system, upgraded from the origional 48v. Its running on its origional 750w hub and, I also have unlocked my bike. I have absolutely zero issues. The top end speed and hill climbing speeds are much more powerful. I pedal on the hills and throttle on the flats. I live and work in seattle.
I just upgraded my RadMission I to a 48V 20Ah battery. The 4 year old 48 10.5 Ah battery was probably half way through its life. I would have done a 52V 20Ah battery if I had known before that it was compatible with the controller.
52V for me. I ride mostly in the city so that acceleration/toque is important to me because of all the stop and go red light to red lights. I'm heavily thinking about putting a 52V battery on my 48V ebike.
Good info. I took notes and a screen shot. I always want to know people's weight/height, for context, when they review bikes. I don't much care about variables that can't be controlled (manufacturing dips and improvements in quality control, whatever). I also appreciate those that say, or claim that they are testing a full battery and throttle only to see max distance, or max time, or through a "day in the life" routine (they drive to specific plates they'd normally go to and then back home). I focus on bikes that meet/exceed a sustained 40mph with range that meets/exceeds 50 miles. Not being Surron fast, or distance like the H6 Pro Max, but I wanna be able to ride to restaurant row, get a drink, meet some people, look at the ladies, and take my old ass home. 20 miles there, 20 miles back. Done. On charge for the night.
@maximumchargeEV For an ebike, the lyric Voodoo turns me one. For an emotorcycle, the Livewire S2. I also like the Freego F3 Pro Max, Eahora Romeo Pro, and the Wired Freedom for their good mileage, 30+mph, speed, and price. All this stuff only gets better month by month. Who knows what changed in 6m or a year.
i bought a seeker 26 .. 52v system 25 Ah... and added a 2nd 52v 25Ah in parallel.. dualmotor and dualbattery now ... long range and a tiny bit higher topspeed (lower voltage drop under load)
Something often overlooked is when you increase the voltage you can carry more current over the same wire thickness. Increasing amps requires increasing the thickness, but voltage does not (technically not 100% true, but its a good enough approximation)
Good point! Didn't think of that. Doesn't it also allow for more power while keeping the heat lower? More amps = more heat but the same isn't true for more volts?
I have a ebike that lets me pick out the voltage at 36,48,52. With the highest i get only 20miles range and 48 gives me around 40 the speed and torque remains the same so i run it at 48.
What ebike do you have? All the ebikes that I know have the same behavior. When setting up your bike's display, you must enter the actual value of your battery so that it can calculate the remaining battery percentage correctly. If you have a 52v battery but select 36v on the display, your bike will believe that there is much more battery left than you have actually consumed.
I had a 48 volt single motor amyet g60 then got a 52 volt dual motor s6. The difference in 52 volt is also not dropping significantly in speed only half way through a charge like a 48 volt battery does. The 52 volt battery is more efficient as well.
I also have a 36 volt system and the mellower acceleration is more natural. I can still pedal to 28 mph and would set my gearing for even higher if that were possible.
in my opinion there is no point in me spending the etxra money on 52v battery just for 3-4 extra mph, thats unnoticable and not worth it. for this ebike conversion im building, i will probarly sick with 48v battery. thanks for the help, also what watt motor should i pair with 48v battery? 1000w? 1500w?
I am in a debate with myself what to get right now. There is a sale going on. They are the same bikes. One is 52v 60AH battery for $1400 the other is a 48v 60AH for $1100 both are like $2300 regular price.
I have a ebike it has 24v 10ah battery and it’s too short range for me i'm thinking to install long range battery, but my bike's motor 250w dose this motor run 52v battery? someone suggest me please i don't have any idea about this.
@@maximumchargeEV well kind of, I bought a 48 volt kit from Amazon and there's no option to set the voltage to 52. Only 24,36,and 48 but I'm told that a 52 volt battery works fine on a 48 volt kit, my only concern is the display not supporting it. Im not sure if theres any workaround, I havent been able to find any info on it.
@@freedom4life123 hmm I'm not sure. I usually ask around the facebook groups for technical questions, like the DIY ebike group. Maybe give them the display model number and someone will know.
48V is okay, if I have a 48V battery i'll use it and get my moneys worth. But if I am buying a new battery, I would go with 52V every time. Internally, the 52V battery is only 1 more cell per series group- Its not going to be terribly more expensive. But i can feel the difference. I used to run my bbs02 bike on 52v. and I am using a 48V battery for it right now... cant wait to get it back on 52 lol. Can definitely feel a difference.
Big difference? I plan on making a mid drive bbs02 48v cause I already have the battery.. I'm guessing because of the rear gears it wouldn't matter as much? What do you think?
A 52v system can maintain the same speed at a lower amp draw which is kinder to the battery. I therefore disagree with the assertion that the 52v system is harder on the battery.
I think I was referring to most 52v systems drawing more amps than 48v systems. I cant remember this video. Where did I saw the part you are referring to again?
@@maximumchargeEV It was after you said if the 48v is cheaper go that way(which I totally agree with). I think you got the main point across that the difference is ipretty marginal. From 13s 3p to 14s 3p.is only 3 extra cells so it's definitely not worth paying heaps for! Enjoyed the ride, sorry bout the pedantry :D
WALLEN POWER HAVE THE TOP END BATTERIES . I have 52volt 20ah and 1000 watts BBSHD MOTORS off road setup and i have been using for like 3 years Daily and its still running with a lot of power! WALLEN power can be found on Amazon or ebay. I promise you its great batteries. 48 and 52 different cases and size . Ok. Now go buy onw for you .
great video very informative thank you ,i just bought a scooter E-RHINO SINGLE 1000W hub wheel ,cant even find one the same on the net only the dual , i repaired it got it all got it working built a replacement battery 48v 18ah ,when i was cleaning the scooter after the first ride i noticed on the wheel it said 52v ,i had followed the battery that was in it (48v 15ah ) so im now in the middle of building the 52v 14s 6p 18ah ,i also run my 250w 36v ebike wheel on a 350 watt controller and a 48v battery and do 15/20 mile journeys with a top speed of 23 mph ,ill let you know what differences i notice next week when ive done the 52v battery (again)
You forgot to mention the weight and size of the 52v vs a similar ah 48v bike is significantly larger and heavier, making it harder to find place on your bike.
@@maximumchargeEV the number of batteries are the same, but the configuration options for 48v can be more so you can link multiple batteries to fit in bike to increase amp hours. 52v on the other hand comes only as massive triangle, slabs, or giant dolphin that makes it hard to fit in bike.
@@maximumchargeEV I started commuting to work on my home build electric fat bikes about 3 years ago and have the same motor and I'd like the extra power
You know what's really funny is that most 48v are rebranded 52v or the other way round... I have a hailong 48v 20amp. It's a 54.5v battery and charges with such although the charger is labelled as the 48v charger the technical specs show another story. My battery can be used in either mode... honestly there's no difference in performance and less range with the 52v mode. Here in the UK most of the cycle computers only deal with certain standardised ratings like 48v, 72v and 96v... a 52v battery will only run on my bike at 48v. This guy is full of it, drop him like a bad habit
Its not going to get any better top end speed unless the 48V is being restricted by the weight of the rider, wind, degree of incline. Speed of electric motors such as ebikes are 100% limited by RPM, and you cant make it do anything more than one it can do, because from the factory that specific motor can only go so fast. You are not going to see any better torque either because the torque of that motor is rated at certain RPM, and Watts its programmed for. A controller that is completely top to bottom programmed with 52v, but using 48V batteries, thats the only place you will see more power. To say you will see more, is a marketing word game,, you wont, its 4 v, you wont see anything,,, you as the user and rider wont see anything , same engine, same controller, no reprogramming, etc.
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Some times you don't get more top speed with the 52v, only faster acceleration, and a little more torque.
That's rare, but like I said, it depends on so many factors. Typically motors move at a faster rpm with more volts
Most bikes cut off at a certain speed. This might be the reason.
@@haverhillebike I'm not an expert, but I think the BMS may play a part, Is a 52v going to out put more then a 48v if both have a BMS with a max output of 30amps? I don't know.
my friend voltage dosent matter so much if your battery pack is weak, u will get a big voltage drop if the battery is small, you need a battery that has more batteries connected in parralel, reducing amp draw from each cell, reducing overall voltage drops... if the battery is rated 1000w 52v , the 1500w rated 48 battery will still be quicker my friend... it;s simple
I@bassw1758 it depends on the motor. For example. Say you have a 48v 1500w motor and a 52v 1500w motor. Higher voltages makes the wheel spin faster. While. Higher currents give more torque. At 48v 1500w motor will have more torque than a 52v motor, because it's getting more current. But the 52v would have a higher top speed than the 48v
Ive got a 52v system, upgraded from the origional 48v. Its running on its origional 750w hub and, I also have unlocked my bike. I have absolutely zero issues. The top end speed and hill climbing speeds are much more powerful. I pedal on the hills and throttle on the flats. I live and work in seattle.
Good stuff! Which bike did you upgrade?
@@maximumchargeEV I've got a Mate X 750. Nice little bike
Do you get more range
@@sofly4216Obviously
I just upgraded my RadMission I to a 48V 20Ah battery. The 4 year old 48 10.5 Ah battery was probably half way through its life. I would have done a 52V 20Ah battery if I had known before that it was compatible with the controller.
this video was so good, i thought you had at least 100k subs based on the vid quality. thanks for the help, may God be with you
Thanks man, maybe one day!
@@maximumchargeEV im certain you will, trust God
52V for me. I ride mostly in the city so that acceleration/toque is important to me because of all the stop and go red light to red lights. I'm heavily thinking about putting a 52V battery on my 48V ebike.
Might be possible!
Good info. I took notes and a screen shot.
I always want to know people's weight/height, for context, when they review bikes.
I don't much care about variables that can't be controlled (manufacturing dips and improvements in quality control, whatever).
I also appreciate those that say, or claim that they are testing a full battery and throttle only to see max distance, or max time, or through a "day in the life" routine (they drive to specific plates they'd normally go to and then back home).
I focus on bikes that meet/exceed a sustained 40mph with range that meets/exceeds 50 miles.
Not being Surron fast, or distance like the H6 Pro Max, but I wanna be able to ride to restaurant row, get a drink, meet some people, look at the ladies, and take my old ass home. 20 miles there, 20 miles back. Done.
On charge for the night.
Great! Which bikes are you most interested in that go 40mph? Top 3?
@maximumchargeEV For an ebike, the lyric Voodoo turns me one. For an emotorcycle, the Livewire S2.
I also like the Freego F3 Pro Max, Eahora Romeo Pro, and the Wired Freedom for their good mileage, 30+mph, speed, and price.
All this stuff only gets better month by month. Who knows what changed in 6m or a year.
i bought a seeker 26 .. 52v system 25 Ah... and added a 2nd 52v 25Ah in parallel.. dualmotor and dualbattery now ... long range and a tiny bit higher topspeed (lower voltage drop under load)
Nice! That bike looks fast
@@maximumchargeEV with crunching down myself 38.58 miles an hour .. or 62.1 kmh
Something often overlooked is when you increase the voltage you can carry more current over the same wire thickness. Increasing amps requires increasing the thickness, but voltage does not (technically not 100% true, but its a good enough approximation)
Good point! Didn't think of that. Doesn't it also allow for more power while keeping the heat lower? More amps = more heat but the same isn't true for more volts?
I have a ebike that lets me pick out the voltage at 36,48,52. With the highest i get only 20miles range and 48 gives me around 40 the speed and torque remains the same so i run it at 48.
What ebike do you have? All the ebikes that I know have the same behavior. When setting up your bike's display, you must enter the actual value of your battery so that it can calculate the remaining battery percentage correctly. If you have a 52v battery but select 36v on the display, your bike will believe that there is much more battery left than you have actually consumed.
I had a 48 volt single motor amyet g60 then got a 52 volt dual motor s6. The difference in 52 volt is also not dropping significantly in speed only half way through a charge like a 48 volt battery does. The 52 volt battery is more efficient as well.
Which would give me more range: 52v 30ah or 60v 25ah (I never go top speed but want range)
Which one has more Watt hours?
Thats why I chose the 36v system. Longer battery life due to the flat terrain I ride. Thanks for sharing.
Smart! Range is important!
Can we put 52volt battery on 48volt ebike? (Ive got winners E10 pro model)
depends on the caps voltage and if everything else could handle the extra voltage.
I also have a 36 volt system and the mellower acceleration is more natural. I can still pedal to 28 mph and would set my gearing for even higher if that were possible.
Sounds like you really enjoy your bike! That's what's important.
What’s the best kit to buy to last longer with good speed ?
in my opinion there is no point in me spending the etxra money on 52v battery just for 3-4 extra mph, thats unnoticable and not worth it. for this ebike conversion im building, i will probarly sick with 48v battery. thanks for the help, also what watt motor should i pair with 48v battery? 1000w? 1500w?
I am in a debate with myself what to get right now. There is a sale going on. They are the same bikes. One is 52v 60AH battery for $1400 the other is a 48v 60AH for $1100 both are like $2300 regular price.
I have a ebike it has 24v 10ah battery and it’s too short range for me i'm thinking to install long range battery,
but my bike's motor 250w dose this motor run 52v battery?
someone suggest me please i don't have any idea about this.
probably wont work unless you do a total overhaul. Not worth upgrading.
What if the lcd panel doesnt support 52 volt ?
Are you custom building?
@@maximumchargeEV well kind of, I bought a 48 volt kit from Amazon and there's no option to set the voltage to 52. Only 24,36,and 48 but I'm told that a 52 volt battery works fine on a 48 volt kit, my only concern is the display not supporting it. Im not sure if theres any workaround, I havent been able to find any info on it.
@@freedom4life123 hmm I'm not sure. I usually ask around the facebook groups for technical questions, like the DIY ebike group. Maybe give them the display model number and someone will know.
@@maximumchargeEV I've tried intensive searches and nobody has any answer
48V is okay, if I have a 48V battery i'll use it and get my moneys worth. But if I am buying a new battery, I would go with 52V every time. Internally, the 52V battery is only 1 more cell per series group- Its not going to be terribly more expensive. But i can feel the difference. I used to run my bbs02 bike on 52v. and I am using a 48V battery for it right now... cant wait to get it back on 52 lol. Can definitely feel a difference.
Big difference? I plan on making a mid drive bbs02 48v cause I already have the battery.. I'm guessing because of the rear gears it wouldn't matter as much? What do you think?
A 52v system can maintain the same speed at a lower amp draw which is kinder to the battery. I therefore disagree with the assertion that the 52v system is harder on the battery.
I think I was referring to most 52v systems drawing more amps than 48v systems. I cant remember this video. Where did I saw the part you are referring to again?
@@maximumchargeEV It was after you said if the 48v is cheaper go that way(which I totally agree with). I think you got the main point across that the difference is ipretty marginal. From 13s 3p to 14s 3p.is only 3 extra cells so it's definitely not worth paying heaps for! Enjoyed the ride, sorry bout the pedantry :D
WALLEN POWER HAVE THE TOP END BATTERIES . I have 52volt 20ah and 1000 watts BBSHD MOTORS off road setup and i have been using for like 3 years Daily and its still running with a lot of power! WALLEN power can be found on Amazon or ebay. I promise you its great batteries. 48 and 52 different cases and size . Ok. Now go buy onw for you .
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great video very informative thank you ,i just bought a scooter E-RHINO SINGLE 1000W hub wheel ,cant even find one the same on the net only the dual , i repaired it got it all got it working built a replacement battery 48v 18ah ,when i was cleaning the scooter after the first ride i noticed on the wheel it said 52v ,i had followed the battery that was in it (48v 15ah ) so im now in the middle of building the 52v 14s 6p 18ah ,i also run my 250w 36v ebike wheel on a 350 watt controller and a 48v battery and do 15/20 mile journeys with a top speed of 23 mph ,ill let you know what differences i notice next week when ive done the 52v battery (again)
You forgot to mention the weight and size of the 52v vs a similar ah 48v bike is significantly larger and heavier, making it harder to find place on your bike.
If two batteries have the same watt hours, would there be a big difference?
@@maximumchargeEV the number of batteries are the same, but the configuration options for 48v can be more so you can link multiple batteries to fit in bike to increase amp hours. 52v on the other hand comes only as massive triangle, slabs, or giant dolphin that makes it hard to fit in bike.
Not true a full charge 48v bat is 54.6 volt sometimes they will hold 54.8 a 52v full charge is is 58.6 sometimes 58.8
what did I say the full charge was?
48v is best for longer distance riding that is more important than 2mph faster
Incorrect
A pair of new batteries are on my wishlist...
Which kind and what for?
@@maximumchargeEV I started commuting to work on my home build electric fat bikes about 3 years ago and have the same motor and I'd like the extra power
I recon the better battery is a 52v with higher amps
Amps are usually determined by the controller, but most batteries have a nominal discharge rate of 30-40amps
If in doubt go 3 phase 220... :D :D
220 what?
You know what's really funny is that most 48v are rebranded 52v or the other way round... I have a hailong 48v 20amp. It's a 54.5v battery and charges with such although the charger is labelled as the 48v charger the technical specs show another story. My battery can be used in either mode... honestly there's no difference in performance and less range with the 52v mode. Here in the UK most of the cycle computers only deal with certain standardised ratings like 48v, 72v and 96v... a 52v battery will only run on my bike at 48v. This guy is full of it, drop him like a bad habit
I don't think you know what you're talkin about!you need to be dropped ! used to say back in the day to a.h.
I'm referring to the britt!
That's interesting. I usually see it the other way around. Drop who? 😢
@@maximumchargeEV you do know I'm not talking about you! Like I said I'm talkin about the britt not you!!!
@@orvillecooper8334 oh yes. I can't even see your other comment, but I believe you my friend :)
Its not going to get any better top end speed unless the 48V is being restricted by the weight of the rider, wind, degree of incline. Speed of electric motors such as ebikes are 100% limited by RPM, and you cant make it do anything more than one it can do, because from the factory that specific motor can only go so fast. You are not going to see any better torque either because the torque of that motor is rated at certain RPM, and Watts its programmed for. A controller that is completely top to bottom programmed with 52v, but using 48V batteries, thats the only place you will see more power.
To say you will see more, is a marketing word game,, you wont, its 4 v, you wont see anything,,, you as the user and rider wont see anything , same engine, same controller, no reprogramming, etc.
Other big difference not mentioned, the 52v battery will last a lot longer if charged on the 48v charger and used at less than top speed.
In theory yes but who's going to do that? I do not recommend using chargers other than what the manufacturer has provided.
Just put 5 more batteries yourselves & new BMS no big deal UPGRADE yourself...
Talk to much crap i could not watch
my deepest apologies
@maximumchargeEV lol OK tried my best
Does anyone have a good not too expensive 52v option? Europe prefered
Ebike or just battery?
@@maximumchargeEV just the battery