I'm in Trouble with Mythbusters™
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
- I have to burn all my Mythbusters Shirts after July 23rd:
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You have until July 23rd to buy the last Mythbusters shirts in the entire world:
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Mythbuster bust in me😫😫
u can't eat out of the shirts... but what if u use them as fuel by burning them in a machine to cook food?!
also today is my bday
Bro for the next video could you create a machine that cooks pasta pls many years ago a youtuber called jakidale had done it the problem is that I can't find the video
ok snake lover allen pan
Fight this! If they sue you make a shirt about that too and we’ll buy it to help you with the lawyer fees 😂
I support you, screw those guys
Allen Pan has the power of god on his side now 😂
Omg
Thank you Jesus
Thank you Jesus
Thanks Jesus. Can we get a big old "Fuck CNN"?
Absolutely infuriating that a company can just say "no, you don't have the trademark you legally purchased", with no repercussions.
So much for the land of the free
Technically they didn’t say he didn’t own the trademark, they just said “withdraw your application or else” which is arguably even worse
If they said he didn’t have the trademark he purchased, that would require them acknowledging that he did indeed purchase it (which is true) so they didn’t say that.
Welcome to America.
They can't do anything against the Mythbuster trademark, but the C.U.M. logo was too similar to the CNN trademark so they threatened to sue for the C.U.M. logo (which is within their legal right) if allen didn't give up the mythbusters trademark.
If allen never made the C.U.M. logo so similar to the CNN logo he would be in his legal right to keep myth busters and win any legal battle.
Technically he can go to court with them but that's a death sentence
This is what a legal system based on money, not justice or logic, looks like. The fact that you're especially screwed with lawyer fees because it's a big company, whereas if it was some random person the legal fees would be way smaller, is especially frustrating and corrupt.
The legal fees of some random dude would still be high af and not worth risking.
I mean, both justice and logic would say the company that spent millions of dollars and decades of airtime on a show they created would control all the rights to trademarks for it, not letting some random dude capitalize because they forgot to pay a fee one time lol.
Lawyer fees should be capped out at whatever a state supplied lawyer would cost. If someone wants to go spending more than the bare minimum, that's on them.
@@jcostello03you snooze you lose
Absolutely. Because the problem here is that they're threatening a punishment the scope of which can be arbitrarily chosen by the company based on whether they choose to pay a lawyer 5.000 dollars or 5.000.000. This completely eliminates the chance for a normal, rational individual to contest a law suit, because even if there seems to be a fair chance of success, it would be irrational to risk the kind of money the company may choose to spend on lawyer's fees. Hopefully judges put a cap on an average individual's liability to pay unreasonable legal fees, but again, who can take this risk?
Retired trademark lawyer speaking here, and I'm sure that your attorney told you the same ... any large corporation has the budget to throw enough lawyer hours at you to grind you into a paste even if they're wrong.
And, they have to protect their copyrights and trademarks, or they lose them. Literally. So, they have a multi-million dollar incentive to crush you.
You can't 'lose' a copyright by not protecting it.... Trademark yes, copyright no. Good thing you're retired.
You dont lose your copyright by not defending it but it slowly errodes your legal credibility if you dont, plus the more precedent you can make aboit anything that even comes close to your copyrightbis infringing on it the easier it is to defend, its why nintendo crushes everyone the can for anything they can
@@mediaxr7255 Literal children on the internet will see an actual professional lawyer affirm something and go "Erm actually I'm going to be obtuse and play semantics with you."
@@zaksaturday1693 Well.....Yeah.....Because they are children. Lots of children do this all the time, questioning everything you say and being the full embodiment of "Akshually" while also somehow still being wrong on the matter.
I love that we live in a world where you can legally own a copyright but a big company can just say "no" by threating to sue
Copyright still protects the original creators though even if they don't register their copyright.
@@pwabd2784 Copyright is different than Trademark.
You can't copyright a name. Those are protected by trade mark.
Parody is also usually protected by copyright.
The problem was that his “not CNN” (trying to avoid the spam filter) shirt violates CNN’s logo trademark (logo designs are generally trademarked along with the name) which they have the complete right to sue over.
What really sucks is that they took advantage of the situation by forcing him to release the Mythbusters trademark if he didn’t want to get sued at all. I have no idea if that’s legal at all and could have potentially fought that in court but the legal fees to go to court at all wouldn’t be worth it.
Although as much as I love the trademark trolling he did, if we take a step back is CNN really in the wrong for doing whatever they can to prevent someone from using their IP that he makes money off of only because of their development of the IP? He was selling literal ahegao shirts with the Mythbusters name on it. They fucked up by not renewing the trademark but I can’t blame them for doing whatever they could to stop him.
@@NationX Parody is usually protected
They should at least have to buy it back from him
Hold on how can a company just cease and desist telling you to relinquish a trademark you already paid for.
They can’t. They can however sue you to oblivion and the US legal system has nothing to do with being right and everything to do with convincing a judge/jury that you are right. The deeper your pockets, the better your chances.
If he does not they sue. Their layers cost millions of dollars, they will win because they have a team of a lot better lawyers then he can afford. He will then need to pay those millions (that he does not have) to cnn. So he is giving them the trademark so they don’t even attempt to sue. It is really scummy, maybe not even legal but since he has no choice he is forced to
Yeah that's what gets me. Reimburse our man the 250 for the license then ya dickheads.
Because they are super super rich, and we live in a world where if you have enough money you can essentially just do whatever you want and 99% of the time you don't get in trouble for it
Money, its that simple. They’re in power because they have more money. Such are the unspoken rules of living in this god awful country
I have a feeling the actual mythbuster crew would support you even lmao
They have nothing to do with it at all.
@@user-sp4gy7ko5l What an odd comment you have made
apparently not, safety third
Maybe, I bet nobody asked them.
The idea is interesting, but they would be doing so at the price of their own jobs and fame
It won't happen, there's kindness, and there's risking everything for some stupidity equal to running against a steel wall hoping to break it down
You did the smart thing. And now 1.5m people know. So I think that's at least a small victory. Showing the rampant greed of those crooks.
It’s messed up how even if you are 100% legally in the right to do something, some big company can just bully you into stopping and will ruin your life if you don’t.
Just need to remember that humanity in general still runs on 50,000-year-old software:
One man weak. Big tribe strong.
@@puck4801that doesn't make it ok to ruin people's lives for profit
I mean every day there is court cases with overwhelming evidence and the judges completely ignore it and rule the wrong way just to keep people from getting mad I'm not going to say specific cases some of them are minor some of them are huge our legal system is built for those who have power and money and that's all that matters right and wrong does not matter anymore
Capitalism. Socialism for the rich.
That is how the government control the little guy.
Ah yes, the good ol' 'send a RUclipsr a legal threat,' that always ends well.
For the company? Yeah, they'll be fine.
@@FemMushroom imagine he gets in contact with truegeordies
Friendly jordies idk how i fucked that up
Ruben sim be like:
@@FemMushroom ye they will, but it's stuff like this that helps Allen grow and does at least slightly hurt the reputation of CNN and the like as no one likes big media giant beating up the lil guy
This is a situation where even if you're in the right you can't really fight it because they can afford to just throw legal fees at you until you have nothing left.
he is not in the right though, his lawyer warned him.
which is why a case like this should be open and shut without the need for costly legal fees, and companies like this that threaten legal action with their use of mass money should be an form of blackmail and intimidation that should otherwise be illegal to use against an individual whos income isn't even 1/10th theirs
CNN :Shredding is acceptable
Allen : i am going to burn 🤣🤣
It’s so fucked that you own the licensing and they can legally force you to let it expire even though they’re the ones that made the mistake. Keep your Head up Allen.
They're not even making him let it expire, they're telling him to hand rights over *immediately.*
@@allthenamesiwantedweretakenHe should have made a bargain to sell it to them.
@@ReLite_The_Heroproblem is that these companies have enough money to bleed his own money, he could fight, but his revenue is way smaller than that of the company, so he will end up not being able to defend himself at some point and he will end up yielding everything, after losing everything he had
@@seraph1690 which means law is to be thrown out and rewritten. Otherwise we end up with democracy on paper, with nobility class system, just that noblity is called corporations
@@jakubrogacz6829 Surprise pikachu face meme.
The fact that they could force you to give up a trademark you own is beyond me.
the copyright system was designed to protect corporations, not you
it would be kind of surprising if that was not the case, since the system was basically made by disney lobbysts
@@Niop_Tres what if he represents himself?
@@qucumber2217then he’d likely loose and lose a bunch of money that way
@@Niop_Tresand they probably have ties with the judge
@@qucumber2217 I'd assume the same outcome as my neighbor who represented himself after I sued him for blocking our shared driveway to prevent my access. (He lost, horribly and ended up paying for all my court costs and lawyers fees.)
You took an experience that is the polar opposite of funny and made it deeply hilariously funny. Also, I don't think the world has seen the last of the shirts with the news network name on them. I suspect the image will take on a life of its own.
Thanks, RUclips for recommending this video 2 months later. RIP shirts that cannot be mentioned.
Let's be clear: You're not in trouble with Mythbusters. MythBusters was a group of passionate people who worked hard to create a show we all loved. You're in trouble with some corporate types who own a media conglomerate. They have not produced a creative work in their lives
Perfectly put. They just sit in their ivory towers burning any creativity that isn't theirs through copyright 🫤
Hence the tm symbol
@@drakeo8647I mean doesn't Adam and the crew still own the rights?
@@drakeo8647click bait working as intended
@@serraramayfield9230it’s still CNN who is persecuting him for the majority of it
Multi billion dollar company abusing their power and picking on the little guy.
That's what they all do. Maybe we should fight back. I dunno, maybe invite some frenchies. They had this wooden metal thing called Guillotine or something that was said to be quite effective fighting the power. Could give it a try.
Damn right, they know exactly what their doing (kinda the point lol, if they can - they will)
"I know, it's very hard to believe.
But that's just what the USA is all about!"
America is a capitalist dystopia
This is crap
this is how you know you have "made it" as a creator. It's like Nathan for You. I see this as complete parody and also how can they forget to buy the trademark? This just makes me want to buy some merch.
The MC parkour at the bottom while you were reading somehow worked and was a great piece in your humorous response to this awful dilemma, of them corps deciding to be power hungry among other things
Honestly, this is just a big company bullying a smaller creator. It's reasonable for them to make you take down the CUM shirt, but forcing you to give up copyrights YOU OWN is absolutely outrageous.
There's probably a lot of complications arising from prior claim and Bigger Legal Team Negotiation.
Bullying a small creator illegally. They sent him a C&D over an IP that they *no longer own,* but they're pretending they still own it.
@@allthenamesiwantedweretaken didn't you know? Everything is legal if you have enough money for it
@@allthenamesiwantedweretaken the cease and desist was for the CUM shirts, so for the CNN infringement. Theyre making him give up the mythbusters trademark to prevent further action. Still bullshit and bullying, just clarifying.
Trade mark and copyright is a bit different but sentiment still stands. They really should’ve just offered money to buy the goods trademark back. :/
Sucks companies like this can just throw their money around to force whatever they want to happen, or else ya know eternal debt
Capitalism moment lol
@@M2rshnah, corruption of legal system moment
@@syndan9245both moment
@@syndan9245 Which is a direct result of capitalism
@@syndan9245land of the free moment, the land where you are told you are free until someone with more money comes tell you what to do.
I enjoyed this chaotic, heroic saga from beginning to end. It's sad the CUM shirts had to go, they're hilarious.
Though... they're probably on Redbubble at this point
Dang even the sponsor drop out, I know it's probably not related to the topic of the video but man! That's like the cherry on top
I hate it when these large companies use these bully tactics. You could fight it and start a go fund me but it'll take a couple million to stand a chance. There's a couple youtubers that went this route and won.
yeah but that's at least a few months (maybe years) worth of time in legal quagmire that he could be using instead to do what he loves (making videos), winning a lawsuit against a big company is a lot of money, but some ppl aren't in it for the profit
If you look at the Tucker torpedo it was killed by the big three. They made false allegations against Tucker and even though Tucker could easily win the case, he would have to use all of his money to fight and that's what happened. He won, but had no money and the company died
That's why we need new Laws put in place to prevent such issues from cropping up. Companies and people of significant wealth should not have the rights to sue people on poor faith issues. Using the threat to sue or using the act to sue someone into destitution just because you can (whether or not you are in the right) is an abhorrent act of malice. Those who wish to sue in issues such as these should be forced to pay all Legal Fees for both sides should the wealth disparity be large enough. The Person/s being sued would still hold the right to hiring any Lawyer they want, and especially would have the right to hire any who are on the same level of pay that their opponent has.
he could just pump their offices full of benzyl chloride
sounds good to me. many people hate companies and lawsuits. and love to supporte to kick them in their hairy asses. i bet he could make millions with that if he advertises it correctly.
I love how these companies send out these lawsuits to save their image, which makes most people just publicize the lawsuit threats, honestly probably causing more damage to their reputation than if they'd just ignored the issue.
I for one hadn't heard of any of this til just now so I'm inclined to agree with your assessment
They own too much stuff to "hurt their reputation"
I mean, what image or reputation does CNN really have lol
@@tommyallen5761yeah honestly the only people that would consider them worth their time probably arent following thought provoking channels like this anyway
@@0Arcoverdeit's a slow erosion, much like how water can erode a cliff. Pile on enough people getting shat on and eventually it'll make the place crumble
You're doing an outstanding work at dealing with them and getting out of trouble while also roasting the fuck out of them. Respect
The minecraft parkour is marketing genius
welcome back to another episode of "big corporations being able to bully small companies and creators just because they have enough money to do literally anything they want even if its not legal"
I'm super curious, how is it not legal?
It's a lot different when it comes to someone trying to snipe your brand. You own that brand. If you're famous and hundreds, thousands, millions of people know that brand then any company is going to hand over that brand to you. Like RUclips, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, Copy right. Why would it be any different? imagine if big corporations could swoop in on small business and buy out their copyrights if they happened to lapse a few days on renewing it, forcing them to pay any price they named in order to get their brand back? You have to use your brain and think about how things could work in both dirrections.
@@forsen_from_forsen he bought the rights , the company no longer has a copyright claim on the name mythbusters, so they threaten to take him to court which is incredibly expensive and can result in your life being over pretty much if you lose in court
@@toolittletoolate it literally does happen in both directions, the only difference is those small creators dont have the money to take them to court, and they dont have the influence to make it super well known. but big corporations definetly do buy rights to brand names and ideas of small companies
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You should absolutely try and get one of those shirts to Adam and get him to wear it in Tested.
Also, gift the Mythbusters trademark to Adam. If anyone deserves it it's him. Turner would have to be suicidal to go after Adam for holding the trademark for the show he hosted!
Adam is not stupid enough to support some idiot who does not even understand basic trademark law and admits to crimes on video.
@@surelyijest Sadly, I don't think that would be possible. Turner are nutjobs that'll screw anyone and everyone over to make as much $$$ as possible.
@@surelyijest How would it be suicidal? They could bankrupt him just as easily too.
@@freighter1097 Yes, but they would probably get a ton of backlash from the community.
It's been a while since I've visited here. Lol, you got spicy, and I love it!
I propose a new line of shirts called: MerchBusters with Busty the Walrus!
actually a good idea
I can't imaginne how miserable of a life a person has to have to decide that they're gonna blackmail someone for selling funny tshirts.
that's what theyre being paid 6-7 figures to do lmao
Mate, it's probably something they did on automatic. Even although this stuff costs them pennies to do, they will still use bullshit like a solicitor's salary per year, even although the solicitor spent like 5 minutes of his time writing a letter.
About as miserable as anyone deciding to be a corporate lawyer
@@DnBastard So private life probably like a low buzz 1-2/10level of misery all the time and on the clock life like a 9/10 super miserable.
@@SCARRIORthey are paid not to do they 5 minutes of writing, but for the knowledge on what they can and cannot write
Friendly reminder to all content creators to at least register an LLC run all your activities through it.
Reminder to anyone who wants to do business of any kind, really.
Fun fact actually, LLCs are illegal in Canada. I wish I were kidding but you are legally not allowed/unable to register Limited Liability Corporations in Canada. So Canadians register them in the US, because anyone anywhere can register a US LLC.
This is actually good advice. Even if your LLC gets bankrupted, you personally are off the hook
@@auliamate That is absolutely not true. Do your research and understand the differences in terminology.
In Canada you register them as a corporation. There are 3 types of business in Canada proprietorship, partnership (which is just a duel proprietorship) and the last one is a corporation.
The corporation in Canada has all the powers that any type of corporation in the US can have. You register it for each province tht you operate in and can also register it federally as well
That's good advice. It's also how CEOs in those big corporations get away with their own share of corruption.
This was a awsome mini serie. So they did't see the humor that you managed to take their buster mark legaly ^^ I was so supriced when i looked at the 1st video that Savage did't buy that mark 1st.
I understand now
I got my shirt today, and I've never been more excited to wear something in public
Now, that I think about, you should have sold the Mythbusters trademark to a third party. Preferably a party who is loaded and can tell their lawyers to give their lawyers a call.
Find a Chinese or Taiwanese seller who also has an office here in the USA so they can legally purchase the rights. Watch Turner and Discovery then have to engage with an overseas company who will no doubt charge them an arm and a leg for the rights.
Absolutely this - then CNN still gets screwed and they'd have a very hard time finding a justifiable reason to sue him
@@wilhelmvonlichtensteinfuck no. Don’t sell anything to any Chinese company. That is asking for millions of us citizens infos being leaked to them.
@@saturn5mtw567That probably violates the terms he was given, but if not, would be very funny
@@jamesbaker2092 if he could get the forigners to promise legal protection it could work
We need Legal Eagle to discuss this. If he legally owns the right to use Mythbusters on merch how can they swoop in and say he can’t?
They're not saying he can't. They're saying they won't sue him over the CUM shirts if he agrees to give up the MB trademark to them.
@@rolandoftheeldthat sounds like blackmail
@@5Amigos32 That's capitalism, baby
@@5Amigos32 it is blackmail, ¿the problem? is a legal blackmail
@@rolandoftheeldyour definition of "capitalism" is incredibly wrong and weird at the same time…
Here we are deeply into the fields of oligarchy, however I admit, some use bizzare eufemism for oligarchy - "crony capitalism"
Registration of the trademark does not give it a strength - the use of it overtime and the visibility is giving it the strength
Great video just discovered you I found that CUM joke hilarious can’t wait to see more of this channel.
Receiving a cease and desist letter for the merch is a very enticing marketing strategy that turns legal threats into an irresistible shopping spree
Pali Pali ring ding guu gaa goo😮😂
Companies should not be powerful enough to bankrupt those they dislike.
That's the world the US chosen, so much for the American freedom
The whole world is like this. Power corrupts. It's just people.
The US didn't choose this. The courrpt politicians and lobbiests did. The politicians manipulate dump people to get in on lies then do as they please because they benefit.
Bill Clinton especially fucked us.
Also glast-eagle and the fact that money = free speech really fucked us. Plus corporations in America are legally considered PEOPLE.
Corporations equating to people and Money equating to free speech means corporations can literally bribe politicians.
Then vote Democrat in the general election and participate in primaries to move the Democrat party further left. It will literally take decades, and you need to show up in every election and get your friends and family to do the same.
But you won't do that. Instead you'll sit and complain and not vote and wonder why things get worse.
You know who does vote? Old people who love corporations ability to fuck over people. They vote, and they get what they want. You don't vote, and you don't get what you want.
Too many people will try to argue with this basic reality so they don't feel bad the bad in society is slightly their fault for not voting. And nothing changes...
@@eriklagergren7124 Any legal system is almost exactly like this. Companies don't just rule the US, that would be silly to believe so.
Just got my shirts today! They're art and should've been respected as such!
The funny thing is that its such a good shirt idea that you can still buy them from random t-shirt websites
The audacity that a billion dollar company got so pissy over your merch impresses me. It’s a shame that they stole your video though, and I’m no lawyer but the fact they’re suing you over something that’s just using a similar font as them I’d consider stupid, glad you did the right thing and set them ablaze!
Here's the deal: they _cannot_ fail to defend their mark, or they could lose it.
@@UncleKennysPlace Yes, but that is not their mark. They are just overly litigious because there is a 1% chance this is a problem and there is no risk for them to do this.
@@akamesama while I don't know if they have, some fonts are trademarked and in such case would have to "defend" or they could lose it. I still think its stupid what their doing tho
@@UncleKennysPlaceAnd a particular font can be part of a brand or trademark.
Note: what they're doing is pretty illegal, honestly. They're suing him for making merch for an IP that **CNN no longer owns,** yet they're sending a C&D as if they still own it.
How the hell do they have ANY legal grounds for something like this? This is a massive abuse of power, and is arguably extortion
Who do you think funds the campaigns for the public offices that make, enforce, and interpret the law? Who do you think does all of the lobbying? Corporations. "Abuse of power" is baked into capitalism.
If you ever wonder why legal documents have so many caviats and conditions, this is why lawyers will find the smallest loop hole to fuck you. I doubt they have any legal ground to actually sue, but they can just extend the trial for so long that the people they sue run out of money and can't hire any lawyers.
Be big enough and even if you have no legal standing, you can sue or threaten to sue and go for a settlement, like how Monster the energy drink sues ANYONE that uses the word Monster for ANY product. That's why Immortal Fenyx Rise or whatever changed their name to that, instead of Monster Rise or something.
They are relying on the fact that most normal folk have to take out a loan or second mortgage just to retain a single lawyer. Meanwhile TBN, has an army of them. Also, I don't know if he's Canadian or American, that makes a massive difference in his legal rights.
@@AbandonedVoid yeah.. because abusing power has no place in communism...
The fact that the sponsor dropped out makes me chuckle every time.
Fun video! Thanks! And goodness.... what a cute lil' tummy ya got pokin' out occasionally. :-D Goes well with your awesome personality and handsome self! Appreciate your content a lot. Have a brilliant Holiday Season!
this is so predatory. huge companies forcing you to pay the attorney fees knowing that you have no choice but do what they say or ruin your entire life
Whenever somebody fights something like this they are always seen as a hero. No, they are an idiot, keeping a stupid brand as a joke is not worth your entire financial future. The world is bullshit and the sooner people learn justice is a joke the happier they will be
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 I don't know about happy, more like resigned to dystopian reality without any fantasy of being absolutely in the right mattering more than having money.
Capitalism!
remember this is a company that hid proof of child sex trafficking because they were getting money from a man who definitely didn't kill himself. So this is the least of their sins against humanity.
Actually, a GOOD lawyer would easily fight this.
Not only is it Parody Law, but if he DOES legally own the rights he can sell the shirts as much as he wants and they can get bent.
(the only problem is that a good lawyer costs the same amount as CNN's attorney fees)
@@skeetsmcgrew3282this is not about keeping a trademark joke. This is about big companies threatening others with financial ruin unless you do what they say. He was just lucky they wanted the joke t shirts back. They could have taken his channel for example.
They can destroy your merch, but they will never destroy this video. I salute you.
I doubt they are above using a random copyright strike to take this or any other video down lol
Wait, If bro sells all the stuff or Gives them away in some kind of Giveaway.. In theory he is free rigth?
What if People start creating copies of the shirt?
What the lawyers gonna do? Sue China cheap workers?
Not to be that guy but videos get falsely taken down all the time...
aaaaaaaand dmca
They can steal another video though
Grant! You're alive!
I don't think they understand how much power the internet has, one day they're gonna try to pull this on a huge creator and it's going to destroy their company
Then they get a get out of jail free card called a Bail Out.
I would completely LOVE to see a Legal Eagle episode explaining what the hell just happened to you! Please if you can reach out for them and maybe offer this subject because for me it ABSOLUTELY makes 0 sense how they got to that point of demanding you give for free something you got because of their negligence! What was that? The color and font you used in with the 3 letters crossed some legal line and they just bullied you? I wouldn't be happy with that lawyers answer, how can anyone just decide they will make YOU pay for THEIR lawyers that THEY will fight against you? Here in Brazil this happens if you loose on the first level and decide to go to the second level, but ONLY if YOU are the one suing, there isn't such a thing as: I'll sue you and demand you pay my legal fees.
That's the American legal system.
A just ruling will be made, most of the time, once all legal shenanigans came to fruition, but until that time, you have to pay to play this game.
If you run out of money, than you can't participate.
@@alucard347all legal systems made by man is that way
@@alucard347 Need to put the standard "I am NOT a lawyer" disclaimer. This is all just to the best of my amateur understanding of how the law works, and should not ever be construed as legal advice. I may be very wrong, so please don't base any legal decisions on what I say here.
To the best of my understanding, he's got no leg to stand on. Owning a trademark name doesn't give him the *copyright* for any work previously produced under the Mythbusters name.
This
@@Zorilla10 Need to put the standard "I am NOT a lawyer" disclaimer. This is all just to the best of my amateur understanding of how the law works, and should not ever be construed as legal advice. I may be very wrong, so please don't base any legal decisions on what I say here.
He's using other art/features (specifically the walrus with a beret and glasses) that are not part of the Mythbusters trademark. That would be seen by any court as an impermissible copying. A "trade mark" is just that, the name of the trade, and the mark associated with it - so he's only protected to use the name Mythbusters and (theoretically) the logo mark, and that's it. He did not purchase the copyrights to the show itself.
He could have theoretically been okay to print shirts with only the original trademark logo since the original owners didn't re-up their registration. But it was the inclusion of any other identifiable element of the show that made this out-of-bounds.
Its kind of bullshit that they can just force you to hand over a trademark, that they dont own anymore...
@@obscuretenet cnn wont fuck you bro calm down
Welcome to America. Sadly uneducated people don't watch stuff like this so they will never know and happily slave away for their corporation.
Hey man, I bet it's a real damn bummer to have your livelihood, almost taken away from you. On top of that, It's clearly your passion. As a child, who grew up watching that show with xfinity on-demand, back in the days of hopper whenever i could, let's just remember what the message those two savages had for us. Never stop questioning things, and NEVER stop having fun doing it, amazes me how much good people can create when they really try
Only thing they forgot to do was call the Pinkertons to serve you legally.
The fact they stole your video and are now sending a cease and desist is ridiculous. These big companies need to be sorted out.
Classic CNN
Rules don't apply to the rich
@@dizzydisciple classic liberal mainstream media*
@@LagrangePoint0 classic American who thinks there is a difference
@@LagrangePoint0 classic mainstream media period* you're not special cuck, liberals and conservatives are both low IQ NPCs
Them threatening you and forcing you to hand over the domains and trademarks you legally purchased, is literal extortion. Turner is not entitled to ownership of every URL that contans the letters "cnn"; if they want them, they should BUY THEM
I will donate to his legal fund if this corrupt giant sues him.
He needs to maintain his possessions to protect his bargaining power, following their immediate demands without a good lawyer would be stupid.
We need the youtube legal avengers on this shit.
@enochsadventures he could've just given it to a random fight-da-powar-hippy and still mess with them vicariously
@@enochsadventuresThat would accomplish nothing to right the issues with rights-owners or the law itself. Nothing short of armed conflict ever achieves true change.
@@jamesmccomb9525 very true, but there needs to be escalation first before... uhmmm well anyways maybe we can just give them al free submarine rides.
It's totally extortion.. it's just _legalized extortion._
It's -kinda- really messed up, but unfortunately this is the system working as intending. It's *supposed* to allow the wealthy/powerful to screw over normal citizens, even if that normal citizen is totally in the right (I am not a lawyer so idk if that's the case here, but let's pretend it is for the sake of argument). That's considered a _perk_ of unfettered, free-market capitalism. I apologize for "making everything about politics". As obnoxious as it is... everything _is_ politics. Rather unfortunate lol
This is gonna be the start of Allen's villain arc.
My guy would need a blind lawyer to win that case
Would be tragic if another company with deep pockets somehow swooped in and purchased the Mythbusters trademark without you knowing. Tragic.
unfortunately it seems the terms they set out dictates that he has to give it straight to them. So there's zero chance of it. Zero.
@@nunyabidness3429 Sounds like you support CNN like a good communist.
@@nunyabidness3429 they have no legal stand point for that though they let there's laps and he filed for and received a trade mark for it so there s.o.l. on those grounds
@@rispil7086 The problem he runs into with retaining trademark is that trademarks have to be defended. And he simply won't have the means to defend the trademark in court against a big corporation.
@@therealdemen247I think that's why they're saying another big cooperation. He definitely took an L being this cooperative they could definitely attempt to push their money weight around with the CNN design but if he fox news or some other big company just so happened to pick up that trademark they don't have any legal grounds to sue him on. I mean they already don't he brought it himself but in this situation it's two titans fighting instead of a titan picking on an ant.
I know it's a pipe dream, but I would love nothing more than to see you successfully crowdfund your own legal team to take this to court.
yeah uh, definitely a pipe dream
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i would donate
@@devonstokes-ej7wg Your 1 dollar donation would not help much against a multi million dollar company that has a bus load worth of lawyers representing it.
trolling in the youtube comments get a life
“Oh, we can take your video because it’s pubic use!!!”
“NOooooOooo YOU CANT JUST TAKE OUR LOGO!!!!”
Sadly true... sort of.
Trade marks while able to be registered do not supersede previous claims. A trademark can be received by the previous owner even if they did not register it. They just need to prove they used it and people recognize their product based off the trademark and that you using the trademark causes confusion with their customers where they mistake you for them.
But... Your use of it... Was distinctly different from the original mythbusters... And no one would mistake you for them...
When he asked how he was supposed to destroy the shirts I honestly expected them to answer „Bro, we don‘t LITERALLY want you to destroy the shirts, we‘re not psychopaths. We just want you to stop selling them.“
When they actually responded with „Shredding is acceptable.“ my already non-existent respect for large companies turned into a black hole that is still eating me up to this day.
The french in the 1790s had a great solution
@@saturn5mtw567 The French of today also have a good solution!
Ah young one welcome to the world of its better to create waste than let someone take your stuff and make money on it when you can't.... 😂
@@PupSentinel espionage on your own people? 🤔
@@mahuk. Government isn't "The French", even the revolution was co-opted by the aristocracy to put themselves in power. As democratic as the process is, it still very much favours those who already have wealth and/or power, it's just not through divine right of blood anymore.
There is some sus happenings with this lawsuit. The fact that they are essentially blackmailing him for the mythbusters property by threatening to sue over joke shirts is beyond ridiculous. They are obviously not in it for the money, but for the trademark they want back. They could have easily sent a offer offering to pay him for the IP instead of hiring lawyers, but instead they are using underhanded tactics to take it by force. He obviously did the right thing bending the knee, but it's just plain despicable what they are doing.
I'd do the same, why would yo pay if you can get it without paying, as a company, that was the right move, and don't tell me they had to pay the lawyers, those lawyers already work for the company and are paid even if they did nothing xD
I wouldn't say he did the right thing, more like he did the only thing he could realistically do.
@@Acuas Then I'm glad you're a sore loser who's definitely not going to be a CEO for CNN. You do know that lawyers get commission for a lawsuit, right? Don't utter a word out of your mouth if you don't know the subject.
All they have the right to do is get Allen to cease production and distribution of the cum shirts, they technically couldn't do anything about the myth busters shirts because he doesn't own the trademark overall all he owns the rights to myth busters apparel so I don't think they should be able to sue.
He didn't do the right thing but its the only option he has
we love you man.
It's such a shame that the internet has shifted over such a short time from this place of creation and freedom to a mirror of the real world where whoever has the most money is always right in the eyes of the law
I hate that with enough money you can effectively steal things from someone and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Crazy how a multi-billion dollar COMPANY of thousands of people, is able to sue 1 individual person. How is that even legal
@@shocky377 Pretty simple actually, the people who decide the laws much prefer billion dollar companies than the average citizen.
@@shocky377 Because the multi-billion dollar company pays the government to say it is.
I hate that because he made the CUM shirts, he's losing the merch rights to Mythbusters. Getting those rights seemed huge for him and it felt like a huge win against the company.
It's one of those things where hindsight is 20/20 and if he had just sold Mythbusters shirts then they would have had no power over him
Except he’s the one that’s stealing
They should at least pay you for the rights you bought for $250
Also stealing his video
@@ImieNazwiskoOK totally
He raised the Bustin' stocks, he should at least get 25k
Awful that a company can extort like this, I’ll be canceling any subscription services related to them.
Could have Streisand Effect this and turn it into a PR nightmare in the middle of a writer/actor strike! But yeah, next time you've gotta LLC it and act as just a spokesperson, not owner. That way they could sue and the company of minimal to no assets takes all the liability and can just be dissolved into the ether
And put what you reasonably can of your own assets into a trust then even it does get to you it won't effect you as much.
I’m really impressed the way you can handle something this crappy with such a good and funny attitude. I’d be so pissed and depressed if something like this happened to me
I think causing drama and generating RUclips content out of it was the entire point. This went about as well as it possibly could have.
@@Mark_LaCroix he did not cause the drama. They did when they stole his video, by removing his name, voice, and face, and posted it on their Facebook for millions of views that he may have gotten paid for if viewed on YT. CNN is a terrible company.
Esp cuz it's CNN, one of the worst entities in existence
@@Mark_LaCroixI mean it cost him a shit ton of money.
@Arkatox A shirt ton of Money
love when allen pan busted all over the companies in this video
69 likes as of commenting
This comment was so good i could feel the humor coming inside of me
@@immanuelessien14 Nice
this could've been a LegalEagle YT crossover lol
Ohhhhh I've had this saved to buy one and forgot! Gosh I hope I can still grab one 😂
If you had done the sales and names and such under a separate LLC, I'm pretty sure they could try to take you to court, fail in court, try to bill you, then you let that single LLC claim bankruptcy and pretty much don't pay a dime of their fees, making them spend all that money themselves. Gotta protect your ASSets
this is easily 90% of the most useful information you get out of business classes
sorry, this strategy is locked, billionaires only
@@user-nj1qc7uc9cthat’s not how this works. Literally anyone can make an LLC
@@amazonpr1me759I believe it was a joke...
@@user-nj1qc7uc9cdamn, feels like a game "sorry, you do not meet the requirements for this skill"
You should try to find a larger company to sell the Mythbusters license to so that they have to fight someone who can actually fight back.
"Abandon the Mythbusters Trademark"
... Well, they didn't say anything about getting someone with cash to buy it right out from under him after abandonment. That could legitimately work.
You dare to use my spell against me, Panter?!
@@IrisCorven Ehhh but then the company would be after the next owner, no? Unless they hold specific grudge against the current owner (which could be plausible, given the absolute burn they got from being pointed out as giant greedy pricks stealing content from other creators)
They only larger company is Disney
@@crimson182cnn vs the mouse??
Just ordered a busty walrus right before the deadline! Cant wait!
2.1 million people just lost respect for mithbusters
The fact that law Can literally be overwritten by a big media company is insane to me, especially cause you literally owned the patent for it and it was clear to any rational person that CUM shirts were definitely parody. The fact they’re forcing you to get rid of the patent is literally insane to me. Us legal system is fucked man
Capitalism moment
They are not forcing. They just saying: "Hey, we want this and that from you. If you dont give, we sue and you will be broke." And it happens everyday, dont matter how bullshit it is, common people cant fight megacorps, they are just that fat.
They're not forcing him. They are blackmailing him, which is arguably even more fucked up
its not the law being overwritten. the law was never INTENDED to be used this way. these laws were made FOR those corporations AT THE PEN of those corporations. its a "flawed side effect" that the shitizens can attempt to use those laws and are as such pretty easily slapped down when they try. IE the laws were never intended for the likes or you me or him.
@nerys71 Pretty much this. Yes legally he could fight this, and maybe he'd win but it would require a massive amount of money upfront and it the stakes would be way higher than any reward he'd get.
lmfaoooooooo the walrus. I'm buying something
Buy them all Cody!
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The legend himself! 🙌
Purchase cnn and give it a durability test
"The sponsor dropped out" is peak.
Nothing like big companies picking on a small guy to get the people angry.
I so wish it was feasible for you to fight this. I would have donated a lot in order to help because this is absolutely insane.
Unfortunately only just as rich companies can afford fighting. For decades or more, until one is standing and other had fallen. A wicked variant of attrition war.
Why, if you legally own the Mythbusters trademark, they can legally demand you turn it over?
Yeah this blows my mind
He owned it for merchandise only. That creates a lot of problems in a legal sense. It would have been easier to have created a normal parody and defend that. The CUM shirts actually have a more solid legal standing than the Mythbusters did.
Legal in the sense that if he doesn't do anything about it, which he can't financially, they can take whatever they want.
they can't, but they can ruin his life with legal fees instead
When doing something an American corporation doesn’t want you to do it doesn’t matter if you are right or wrong what matters is if you can afford to fight them. American ju$tice
Extortion, blackmail, bullying, how is this legal.
unsatisfying but a safe ending 👍
We really need an effective small claims court to prevent this kind of bullying
My reaction as well. I've been on the receiving end of numerous attempts at legal bullying including by some very big names like the French mafia clan/advertising company JCDecaux. Won every single won at low costs. Once I didn't even need to show up at all.
The secret is a small claims court that rigidly makes sure everything it sees is 'reasonable' (as a legal term). The result is most frivolous cases the bullies have hellfire rained on them with minimal effort on the victim's part.
Once only responded with a letter saying "I'm currently sueing this guy, my debtor, in bankruptcy proceedings, here is the case number. I'll be on holiday so I request a different date for the hearing and I will explain why this is likely an attempt at intimidation".
Three weeks letter when I got home: Court verdict on the doormat, case dismissed with prejudice, I was awarded € 38 compensation. The court advised me to share the verdict with the judge in the bankruptcy proceedings.
The real answer is a complete overhaul and destruction of the entire trademark and intellectual property system.
According to Paul, this has literally been going on since Biblical times.
@@Redpoppy80no. Trademarks and Copyrights are a good thing, it helped pioneers of technology keep possession of their own designs. What needs changing is the baseless claims, and silly requests in those claims (i.e. the mythbuster thing), made by mega corporations against the little guy. Who they know cannot even contend with them financially (from a legal stand point) it's down right wrong on a societal level.....
@@oddpoppetesq.3467 Trademark and Copyright are not a good thing. You know what the pioneers of tech actually did? They worked on commission. They got people to pay them to invent and create. Ownership of ideas is a foolish (and relatively new) concept.
It’s pretty crazy that companies can more or less just force you to comply with a cease and desist because there is no way you could afford to fight it.
They have enough money to just have cheat codes with the legal system. Our system's fucked 🤷
@@fizzlock the nature of having lawyer fees paid by one side
That's capitalism, baby!
@@maikataseI wonder how the "invisible hand" is gonna self-regulate against that
I purchased a Busty plushie immediately after watching this. I hope I'm still in time lol
This letter and the lawyers advice sounds like it breaks down to they have more money than you and will bankrupt you in court but if you had them money you would win in court.
Here is the thing that gets me every single time I hear of this kind of situation. The big corporation that goes after the RUclipsrs almost certainly could have contacted the RUclipsrs directly and not only resolved the issue peacefully BUT also could have gotten good PR out of it. What is it that RUclipsrs desire most in this world (aside from the obvious answer of money)? CONTENT! If someone from CNN contacted Alan and said they thought it was hilarious that they forgot to renew the MythBusters license and wanted to work with him on getting it back instead of going the legal route, Alan likely would have LOVED to do it because he could have done a video like "I hand deliver the copyright for MythBusters back to CNN in person!" Where Alan might have even been able to show CNN as "good sports" about the situation.
Implying rich corporations can be good sports.
Sadly that would have required the people at CNN having souls.
@@Dracozauryks Implying CNN in particular can be good sports.
@@TracksideProd758 Or a sense of humor or good "sportsmanship", which apparently, they don't.
@@m2pt5 That's the definition of "irony". 🤣
We need to start a legal fund raiser for this man to fight in court.
No one should be forced to give up an IP they legally own and a parody account because some rich asshole decided to throw a bunch of money at the court system until you can't afford to fight it any more.
Has anyone told H3 yet? Don’t they have a fund to fight stuff like this?
This is company worth billions, its not a lemonade stand. The amount of money they have set aside for litigation could easily be larger than some country's GDP. They would bankrupt H3 in a month or two.
@@nicksurfs1not against a multi billion dollar co. That was just some guy who sued them and it still screwed them over for years.
@@doggle433 I get it but I don’t like it. Wish we had better anti slapp laws :(
It's sad, but trust me, its not worth it. No one wins in this type of lawsuit. It's chump change for CNN.
It sure is interesting how this video didn't show up in my feed until the 24th...
The thing that really gets my goat about this is that from the sounds of it they couldn't care less about your parody. It's that they're using the potential of suing you over your parody in order to get you to stop doing things that they really don't want you doing, but don't have any legal recourse to prevent. In a more just system, _you_ would be suing _them_ for blackmail.
In a more just system, corporations wouldn't exist as they do.
@@VoidOneGamer blow up Citizens United. Oh what a repulsive name even!
I still don't understand how, if he paid for the trademark, was granted the trademark, and the government confirms that he OWNS the trademark .. why he has to give up the trademark, or why he would lose (or HOW he could lose) a suit in court for the trademark .. that once again .. he legally owns.
I think they know this .. which is why they were so "generous" in allowing him extra time to sell HIS remaining products with HIS trademark on it ..)
@@THE-X-Force As I understand it he wouldn't lose over the trademark, he'd lose over other issues and they're using that to make him give up the trademark.
@@TheNeilBlack Then I feel like his response should be to capitulate to their other demands .. and let them sue him over the trademark only.
My major quarrel with this is how can a company just straight up force you to relinquish a trade mark you already bought. Like am I missing something???
Nope, you've got the full picture.
Yes, you are. There are laws protecting against exactly what he did, it's complicated and I'm not a lawyer. Some internet searching will explain that it's not as simple as it expired so it's a free for all. The risk comes from the Lanham Act; through this act, a mark is not abandoned until it’s been discontinued *_without intent to resume use_* . That's what I understand, though again I'm not a lawyer.
Try to reverse this situation in your head. Imagine a single small person makes something and then trademarks it. Then imagine they forget to renew their trademark on time. And finally imagine a large media empire swoops in and grabs the trademark and then fights to defend it.
If the roles were reversed would you still think this is fair? There is a perception that everything a company does is evil and everything a little guy does is good. But honestly ask yourself if you'd be happy with the results if the roles were reversed.
It's always messing and bloody case in courts. But US courts have ultimately not been kind to what they call "bad faith" trademark claims. Sneaking in and grabbing the trademark of something that you did not create because the original owner forgot to renew it is on really shaky legal ground. They would claim this was another case of "bad faith" trademark claims. And the courts might agree with them after years of arguing.
@@hamsterfromabove8905 Yeah ngl I don't feel a moral obligation to treat a billion dollar corporation the same as a dude making a barely middle class living. You aren't wrong, but also, I just do not give a flying fart if somebody literally steals thousands from these companies. I've never done it but if you wanna shoplift from Wal-Mart, pft whatever more power to you
Well, that's because they're legally blackmailing him. They can't legally force him to give up the trademark, but they're threatening to sue him for OTHER things if he doesn't. He can't afford the cort costs of being sued, even if he's in the right.
Bro should’ve called Saul
Allen: this is a speedrun of my new Cease and Desist order