@@mohamedabdullah3733 Everyone's saying to start with *SMTIII: Nocturne* for a reason. It's a good representation for everything the series stands for: weird as fuck and dark atmosphere, apocalyptic setting, challenging difficulty and awesome demon art and music.
@@mohamedabdullah3733 If you have a 3DS I'd say IV would be good start. The game was designed to be beginner friendly while still sticking to what made SMT the series that it is and did a wonderful job at introducing many to SMT.
Atlus (06-08): “So, we put the Shin Megami Tensei label on Persona 3 & 4 so they would sell better. You know, since SMT is our most well-known franchise.” Atlus (2020): “Wait a minute, I have an idea!!” Atlus (2025): *Persona: Shin Megami Tensei V*
Pretty much accurate I didn't even know that SMT exist until I have seen something about SMT that is featuring Dante from the devil cry series,SMT looks cool
Well not EVERY one, there's Radiant Historia, very good RPG that's not connected to smt/persona at all. And outside of the Q series, Etrian Odyssey is it's own thing as well to my knowledge. And there's also trauma center, that one super pretty game coming out, Aegis Rift iirc
To be fair is not really separated from everything else, persona 5 is the most smt persona game since 2, it has a lot of references to smt like destiny land, the apocalypse happends (it gets fixed but happends), god appears in a very similar way to smt2, the shido palace takes place in a flooded Tokyo like the cathedral from smt1, it has something like alignment endings and demon negotiation returns, plus no one points that when you obtain a new persona the game tells you that it happends because they remember they are demons and come from the sea of souls wich is a concept from persona 1, game that is totally smt. Persona 5 narrative acknowledges that it is an smt game, in a subtle way but is definitely there. In other words persona is not less smt, is just marketed separately because it makes more money than any other franchises from atlus. Persona 5 is conected to 3 and 4, 3 is conected to 2 and 1, SMT IF is conected to persona 1 and devil summoner, from there you can totally say that is still smt.
Remember when SMT crossed over with an SRPG franchise on a Nintendo system? Sure am glad we got a fucking idol musical instead of another Devil Survivor. Would be real fucking strange to have the SRPG subseries be the one to interact with the SRPG franchise.
@@TheBrazilRules actually small brain human, in Donkey Kong arcade, you play as Mario, as of then called Jumpman. After the popularity of Donkey Kong, they made Mario Bros arcade game and renamed Jumpman to Mario, thus making the Super Mario series a spinoff of the Donkey Kong seires. Think of Mario as Persona and Donkey Kong of Shin Megami Tensei
But does it have two anime adaptations, two manga adaptations, two fighting games, two manga adaptations of fighting games and pachinko? I still kinda like Persona 4 more than 5, but in terms of milking P4 is an undisputable champion.
okay so they made 2 games, 1 anime, now theyre making 2 more games, one is a spin off musou and the other just a glorified dlc like 3 and 4. p4 had way more shit and youre complaining
To be fair most of the Persona spin-offs aren't even developed by atlus, they''re only supervised by atlus. The fighting games have arcsys, the q games have the etrian odyssey team, the rythm games were co-developed by Dingo (project diva) & Scramble is mostly by koei tecmo. I believe that if these games weren't made we wouldn't have any more smt or Persona games released in between, just blank years.
I mean.. well if they didnt allow it then they wont be getting funds for the next generation Persona games and or spin-offs.. so it just make sense they would try to make as much to get people going. I mean they pretty much milked my wallet everytime (except arena games)
@@notaarnav Influenced maybe, but thy're still not the ones making the games. I'm fairly certain all their efforts are going into SMT 5 and 3-master, especially now that Persona 5 Royal is out.
same here. I got into p5 vanilla, and then played strikers and royal. And then I got myself into Nocturne HD. After that I played Persona 3P and now I'm playing dds and I'm loving it!!! I wouldn't have discovered ATLUS games if it weren't for persona.
I just really hope SMT V is gonna do really well with the switch’s momentum, and then Atlus will start showing more love to SMT again. Does anyone know what happened with that rumour on the Nocturne remake?
Shafiee Khaidzir there is a nocturne remake rumor? Man I doubt it would ever happen but my god I would fucking love a remake of it. Even just a PC port with high res support and a touch up on lighting or something and I’d hands down 60$ day one
It was not a rumor. Kazayuki Yamai explicitly said that Atlus have considered remaking Nocturne, but it was only mentioned at August of last year. We can only wait for SMT V for the moment and see how much uproar causes so Atlus start giving importance again to mainline games.
Jesús S. Ah okay, I hope they do it someday. But yeah I’m glad I’m far from the only one that wants to see more attention to the mainline series. The persona games are not bad games but for me personally none of them compare to nocturne and even SMTIV and that was a 3DS game (hell at the time I bought a 3DS just to play it never regretted it)
@@BlackRoseCloud I'm on the same boat, my friend. I still think Persona is a good Megaten spin-off, but I wouldn't put it above any mainline SMT entry (including the SNES releases). I mean, the neo Persona combat system feels like a watered down version of the press turn system, which in my opinion is one of the best rpg battle systems. Doing mad damage at endgame bosses is really cool. Also, you have a big variety of demons to select as party members rather than just 5 or 6 characters. And speaking of the demons, that's one of the main reasons I got interested in SMT alongside the story (which I don't understand why some people call it "bland"). The characters I can understand if they are not as appealing as the ones presented in Persona, but that's how the game intended to present them because they are just representing an ideology which is you are supposed to follow one of them ore neither at the end of the game. Sorry for the big Bible I just wrote, but I feel like people who dislikes SMT for these kind of aspects is the same people who does a playthrough of their favorite neo persona every once in a month...
Smt fans: MINES BETTER!!! Persona fan: MINES BETTER!!! Me: *Nocturnes and persona 3 in hand* Gentlemen, gentlemen... why not both? *Is crucified for blasphemous statement*
At this point I'm sick of most fandoms. I like hanging out with people from said fandoms but as soon as I attempt to participate in some public forum online... yikes.
I've been blasted like this before for wanting peace between these two faction of the Megaten community. But its funny how Persona 1 or Persona 2 becomes its own community separate from The Big Three, for how much unappreciated those two games are.
Persona never had any SMT branding on the game in Japan. AtlusUSA did this because they thought the SMT logo would be more familiar. Now its just more in line with how persona is in Japan. Now Persona is really popular so theres no incentive to add SMT. it was never meant to promote SMT. it was to get people to buy persona in the west
This is slighty untrue. the first persona game did have a reference to the megami tensei series in its title in japan and it fairly clear it was related to the series. Esepcially by the time of persona 3. sure they added the moniker for western fans sake but that doesn't mean persona was any less part of the mothership series.
@@InfernityKnight no, persona alway a spin off period, it called Goddess revealation: persona not shin megami tensei: persona, hell the new persona even removed it goddess part all together, it have reference to megami tensei yes, which is why we call it MegaTen NOT SMT MegaTen = a vague term for every megami tensei series including spin off such as persona SMT= mainline series
@@maxinehell1394 Did you even read what I was responding to. he said persona never had "any" smt branding implying it was never related in anyway to the series. when it clearly was. yes it was a spin off but it was still apart of the megaten series. you are just playing semantics with the "shin" bit, yes that is used to address the main line series but the point here is that persona did have branding to the megaten series of games as a whole. people knew there was a relation between them.
@@tremorchrist SMT isn’t getting milked. They’ve just been constantly rereleasing games hoping we’re satisfied with that. Just look at the 3ds and how many old SMT ports it has.
I mean Persona makes Atlus a lot of money. I don’t blame them. A Company has to generate a profit. Atlus has simply calculated that they are more likely to recoup there expenses and generate profit with persona than they are with shin megami.
Shin Megami Tensei hasn't been on an actual console for 15 years. With how well the Switch is selling and how much hype there is for Joker, I think knowing that a series also made by Atlus is coming to the Switch, people would buy it. Jrpgs do great on the Switch.
@Raistlin Majere If you have a PS3, you can pick up some really good SMT games like Digital Devil Saga, Persona 3 FES, and SMT Nocturne off the playstore for just 10 a piece. Personally I would recommend Digital Devil Saga as it is a very good entry title into the SMT franchise. It also has a sequel if you are interested.
@@selamtaa1 dude the persona games are spin off games of smt. so they are still smt games. check the box art if you doubt my words ( i think its missing from p4g and p5 though)
Persona 3 and Persona 4 were never Shin Megami Tensei games. Atlus USA just added that for marketing purposes. They dropped it to reflect it more accurately with the japanese versions.
@@Zephyrs009 That's true, they add the SMT titles to the other games too, like Devil Summoner and Devil Survivor or Digital Devil Saga. It makes me confused as to which games are main timeline and which are the "roots" or spin-offs. I think I've never played the main games...or maybe I did? I think Nocturne is one of main right? (Never finished it though)
@@TheKewlPerson well, Games like soulhackers for the 3ds still have the SMT moniker in the west. Either be consistent with Japan or just do things how they used to because this is ridiculous
Technically it still is SMT and thats something you just made up, its still apart of the SMT series too especially persona 4, its like saying "super mario rpg isn't mario because it has rpg elements in it" and same goes for yoshi's island just with a different name. Not to mention that they actually improved the series
While I am a very big fan of the persona series the lack of smt 5 news and and mainline games is concerning to me. Obviously atlus is a business so they wanna make games that they think would make money so they make a bunch of persona spinoffs but they really should give some love to mainline. Hopefully we get some news about smt 5 this because I'm really worried about it and the mainline series future
And the worst part is that SMT 5 Could be a success nowadays...Back in the days games like nocturne where not very popular since jrpgs where kinda colorful and very square related. The worst part is that now smt 4 and smt apocalypse kinda appear more appealing for personish fans. but think about it, a very dark theme game with hardcore mechanics... blablabla something that would be appreciated nowadays.... I see a lot of people saying stuff like I like battle mechanics of persona but high schoolers idols etc kinda turn me off... SMT would be very good for mature gamers that like turn based rpgs.
*There wasn't alot of information before Persona 5's release either, but they did a really good job with it and it was received very well. I'm hoping SMT 5 will be the same. I hope they're working hard on it and not just ignoring it while they focus on persona stuff. As much as I love Persona 5, SMT really did start it all, and I want Atlus to show it some love again.*
They need to give it time, persona 5 had a ton of time developing and the emphasis on the side crap kinda paints a wrong picture. Persona 4 and 5 had 8 year difference, 9 if you consider the western release, in here he doesn't accept a 3 year difference before the fatalism, not to mention that (with all do respect to Nintendo's handhelds) it was on an inferior console while p5 was on Sony's hardest and finest. The switch is special, something that hasn't been in a long time. Its popular and powerful enough to give a fresh experience like p5 did compared to p4 and bring SMT to a new level. Don't rush it, give them the time they need to truly invest and you will get what you want
There's literally 13 years between megaten 3 and 4 yet now that we're only 6 years out and only have one trailer everyone's freaking out. Calm the fuck down people and be patient they're currently primarily focused on they're cash cow. They're most likely just don't have a lot of man power on it. Look at square as an example. FFVII remake finally got some news after so many years of the last trailer.
@@pickedceasar1216 but between 3 and 4 there were a good chunk of spin offs, now we have redux that inserted a new character that has nothing to do in the original story and is there just to say that there is new stuff in the game that didn't really needed it
1. FeMC Is not cannon, as it is stated in PQ2 that no one from SEES knows her. 2. Persona games are being made by a different division from Atlus, the P Studio, so no, it's not taking their time to develop. 3. Between Persona 4 and 5 (not counting Golden cause it's a re-release) there's been 8 years, so it's not like the Shin Megami Tensei games are the only ones taking a long time to come. 4. Smash is not made for Atlus, so I don't know how would that influence their time, considering all they did was give Nintendo a license to use Persona 5 characters
Thank you! Holy hell it's easy to see why he doesn't have many subs. He doesn't know what he's talking about at all. How he somehow believes games like DDS are SMT spinoffs is beyond me, especially as SMT was only added to the title in the west, same thing for the Persona games.
Since the release of SMT2, it took them ten years to release Nocturne, and then another ten years to release SMT IV. Going by this release pattern, we can expect SMT V in 2023 at the latest.
About the SMT moniker thing; I don't think it should come back on Persona, because it never was like that in Japan, which is the real important point of reference since it's the language it was made in originally, and is where is a large majority of the playerbase at. The SMT moniker was always just a way to push those game that are from the Megami Tensei universe as a whole since they were rather obscure in the west. Digital Devil Saga, Devil Summoners, and Persona were never really Shin Megami Tensei games, and they were never labelled as such in Japan, it was always just different series in the grand Megami Tensei universe. In the end, Persona dropping the SMT title simply means that it became popular enough to stand on its own in the west, like it does and always did in Japan. I think it's right. Tho imho, considering the last SMT game was on 3DS which isn't really too popular among the mainstream western audience, and that the one before that is now pretty old, I think it's safe to assume that thing should change considerably once SMTV is released on an actual desktop-style console; With the improvement in presentations and the fact that this is now on a home console, it will make for a perfect entry point in the series for many people, including some Persona and other Atlus's RPG fans. I honestly think it will ignite SMT's flame back again. I think the whole gritty atmosphere of SMT has way more potential than Persona for western fan, popularity wise. We just need a game to showcase the strength of SMT to the mainstream as well as Persona 5 did for the Persona series as a whole.
Would it be different if it had megami tensei without SHIN. It doesn't effect the game, plus I think it should have been that way to start with in Japan.
Devil Summoner was indeed labelled Shin Megami Tensei in Japan, but the rest of your point still stands regarding basically every other Megami Tensei subseries.
@@tomato-ir9xs are you seriously saying their needs to be another shin megami game announced because a remake and new main line game coming out in the same year isn’t enough ? Lmao 😂 bruh gamers never cease to amaze me with how entitled they are. also not everyone wants to buy a ps2 to play nocturne or buy the game off eBay when they could play it in Hd on switch ? Dumb af
@@Nerevarine420 You gave me hope for humanity. I swear gamers think devs work in a sweatshop for them. Entitlement to the core. Also, yeah it aged like milk. I am not a big Nyarly fan, he has a tendecy to jump to his conclusions. Regardless of that though but SMT is only looking up on the up on and up. Plus, as a general ruleish. We have gotten more SMT focus recently in the past few years and honestly, it has always been a niche series. It does not however mean that Persona 'killed' SMT. It literally just means that Persona became somehow more popular; probably because for lack of better term, dumber and more tropey (in a good way, i truly mean this.) SMT is more philosophy and hardcore story telling. But because it has demons, angels who probably only know because of persona (and not because of myth) and it is because it is uhh more 'narrow'. Selling someone on SMT will be much, much harder then Persona. In short, no SMT is doing fine. It just has a smaller community and that is arguably because it is more complicated, is niche multimythicalism and has a narrow, very specific audience. For better or worse, Persona's is more popular because it is essentailly an anime sim. Still love both for different reasons.
I really like how you found the old images for p5 announcement in 2014 And the first announcement Tokyo mirage session Shin megami x Fire emblem It makes the video feel like a documentary of these games and Atlus
I feel this video divides the fan base even more. I think it's good persona and SMT are split they both appeal to different types of audiences. You saying things like "They never would have gotten to this point without SMT." is bad. It's letting SMT get all the credit (which it does deserve some) when it was that the developers ability to try something new. As an SMT fan, stop trying to divide the community or more accurately, stop trying to create a divide when there was already a split, these are two different communities now, not one.
I agree with you. I tried SMT games before but I never got to finish them. After I got a ps4 my friend told me about P5 and I fell in love with it. Because of P5 I am willing to try sone SMT games again. Also looking forward to SMT5
I've legit fallen asleep while grinding sometimes it's all on how it's done hyper dimension neptunia is trash at that very basic combat and same shit same shit same shit persona 3 got super freaking boring with grinding persona 4 atleast has different palaces but even there it gets a little boring from time to time but you don't really grind your just playing the game for p3 the answer and regular based tbh you need to grind for the bosses while p5 is legit barely any grinding tbh there's so many different ways to win battles through other means aside from just leveling your character games where that's the only option is it annoying cause there's no skill involved just put more time in and bam you win Ys 8 has some grinding but the combat is so damn fun you don't notice and there's parrying to make you fight higher leveled enemies tbh if you like grinding great go play smt and the vast amount of RPGs out there but I'm sure a lot of people don't there's great games that don't have much like ff15 kingdom hearts Ys Xenoblade tales even dragon quest 11 there is grinding but it doesn't feel tedious that's the main thing
@@jimborimbo4375 yes. I'm a Trump supporter. When my husband and my wife went to the Capitol Hill riots, I kissed them both goodbye, and played Digital Devil Saga.
You guys are blaming the wrong culprit my dudes. SMT was killed by Atlus original parent company: Index Corporation. These guys took a lot of debt put it on Atlus and drove them to bankruptcy. That is the reason why Atlus stopped being Atlus, because Atlus is gone. Then Sega bought the licenses and rebranded their Dream Studio to Atlus and everyone working on SMT and Persona became the P-Studio. And once P5 was released the dude who directed the P games since 3 was rewarded with a new studio: Studio Zero, he took a bunch of veterans from Atlus and is working on his passion project and Full body. So in conclusion modern Atlus is the Sega Dream studio, because they are a SEGA studio they are not interested on making SMT games, except for the main line games. P Studio is basically there to make Persona and pay the bills. Studio Zero which is what became of og Atlus moved on from the franchise altogether and is making a new IP and full body.
I know this is an old af video but one of the main reasons I was introduced to SMT was through Persona. Without Persona I wouldn't have ever even known about SMT. So, if anything it's shedding more light onto the SMT franchise. Either way, both series are complete godly franchises, they're really good.
The reason the split is probably...... Aesthetics and brand imaging persona is just more marketable and likable for more people. And persona is undoubtedly THE atlus franchise because of this. The p4g craze showed them where the biggest fanbase was. With how long smt5 is taking I think its gonna be pretty big though, since they have definitely not forgotten about it.
We can only hope Shin Megami Tensei V will take off like Persona 5 did. I mean, I hadn't even been seeing JRPG nuts talking about Persona 4 on RUclips or social media or... anywhere for that matter, before the release of Persona 5. The closest I ever saw was a review of Persona 4: The Animation. Heck, I was seeing more people talking about The Legend of Heroes more than Megami Tensei, and in turn, the "Trails" branch more than "Persona".
Atlus milked Persona 4 because their old parent company was taking money them. In otherwords, Atlus made the Persona 4 spinoffs to stay afloat. Atlus is milking Persona 5 because it put them on the map and they wanna turn it into a crash grab.
i love persona 5 but never had the urge to play a single one of these p5 spinoffs, i'm actually surprised so many people apparently do buy all these stupid spinoff dance games and whatever else they are.
Now that they (maybe at some point) bring it to the switch they could feature bayonetta with bayonetta 3 on rhe horizon. Featuring Bayonetta from bayonetta sounds stupid though.
I wanna say it's a combination of increased development cost with improved tech and the fact the core series has always been niche... But the fact is plenty of SMT fans will play something with SNES graphics because it's SMT. Hoo boy, that SMT x FE reveal belongs in the top ten anime betrayals bigly. It was so bad I actually repressed that memory.
By virtue of being from Japan it's had more exposure, but I would say even in Japan it's still fairly niche. I vaguely recall sales for Strange Journey not being that good even though it was a fantastic addition to the series.
@@00Boogie I remember a fairly recent poll in Japan (2015, so not that recent) about favorite RPG franchises, and SMT actually beat Persona by a couple dozen votes. Persona sales in Japan aren't that great, they are definitely good, but I don't think P5 even broke the million units there. So yeah, I think the difference in popularity I mostly a western thing methinks, sadly, that's is the majority of the market.
I mostly stick exclusively to Persona (1&2 included) for my smt-ish repertoire, and even I was disappointed by that reveal lol. Actual game looks fun though
Could be worse, Silent Hill fans prob wont get another game for a very long time or be a Half-Life fan who have been left on a cliff hanger for almost a decade.
@@lemonov3031 the best version of p3? where you can control the whole party? where there is 2 campains? where there is the portability commodity factor that makes you finish the game much faster? P3p has better pacing than p4g, fact.
@@rafaelbruno2128 And cuts half of the game because disc space. Also FES has direct commands mod. And you must be an idiot if you want to speedrun P3 on your first playthrough.
@@lemonov3031 i didn't say i want to speed run, but i'm certain that i don't want to spend 50h of my life reading trash anime dialogues, so the faster i can get through this part of the game, the better. And half game cut? you mean anime cutscenes? nah i don't really care about them, or if you're talking about the "fes" extra campaing, i don't like that excuse for a re-release either. So p3p was the best version for me, faster, more practical and straight to the point ( also i can hit on boys, oh yeah)
@@rafaelbruno2128 >anime cutscenes You obviously never played it and just pretending that you did. GTFO, I won't even explain to you how they butchered it because it seems that you are so familiar with eating literal dogshit that you will try to excuse it anyway.
At this point, I don't care how much Persona gets milked. I just want another Devil Survivor game. Mainline would be nice too, but I have a feeling that'll take awhile.
If you asked me in 2017 when the Switch game was confirmed to be Shin Megami Tensei V, I would have said it's absolutely alive and well. Now though? I'm living my worst fear. I like Persona, but it's not what drew me to Shin Megami Tensei, and it's certainly not a replacement. Nothing compares to the Press-turn gameplay system, and I much prefer stories with a focus on grey morality and a battle between ideologies that the players themselves have to decide on which alignment is the best. I keep hearing people say Nocturne's characters aren't as likeable and therefore not as good, but that's missing the point. They're not supposed to be your friends, you're only supposed to empathise with one of them, that being the one whose views and outlook on life best mirror your own. Same with SMT IV, and the Devil Survivor games. They all have great characters who serve their purpose in the games. To want SMT to conform to its own more successful spin-off is ludicrous when, from a quality-of-life standpoint, Persona 5 is STILL missing much-needed improvements that SMT IV and Apocalypse made to the turn-based combat years beforehand (such as the Smirk system rebalancing Mudo and Hama skills), and even then Apocalypse suffers from hokey dialogue and a pathetic alignment system that favours one route above all others. if, and when we eventually get SMT V, I hope they don't pander to Persona fans. We have enough milktose moe-anime games on the market, and while Persona is generally one of the more respectable examples, it has no place trampling over the unique and still high-tier JRPG series it was born from.
@@mrex666productions7 Maybe. But from an SMT point of view it was an interesting change of pace... more Alignments from Neutral route? I'm sold. It was interesting, entertaining and challenging anyway (we want peace, but from taking the control as the new god killing everything else? Or being with my friends building a new world where gods and human can live together accepting each other? It's more difficult to me to decide since I always went just neutral) A typical nekketsu shonen plot, but they didn't kill SMT basis for me. (I also fell in love with the Divine Powers) I obviously like Strange Journey, Nocturne and IV a lot more... But I think Apocalypse (plot) isn't that bad as everybody put it.
I remember I couldn't help but scream like a fangirl when I saw the 25th Anniversary logo during Switch presentation... I mean, Shin Megami Tensei? The nobody-knows-series I fell in love with, on the screen? For everyone? It was amazing. It was like 3 am and my family was sleeping but...
Definitely will have to agree. SMT has a world that's really unique to it, and while Persona games are still based on the premise of SMT, the style is fundamentally different, which also places Persona as having its own unique world. The grim nature of SMT and its explicitly obvious religious undertones throughout the whole game are just breathtaking and leave me pondering for houuurs. Honestly, people who dislike the game because they dislike the characters I think are missing the point of the game. Like you said, SMT's characters serve their purpose and they do a great job at it, which is to morally confuse you and present you with conflicting ideas that may or may not conflict with your own, all from a super philosophical standpoint at that. Though I can't say much since I haven't played Persona yet, I just feel like it doesn't capture the same feeling. If you like the work of Persona go play Persona, Persona 4 and 5 and amazing from what I've seen and have plenty of content to play there (I actually really want to play them since they look amazing in their own right), but what Persona does shouldn't affect what happens in SMT V, it's a whole different beast.
I started with P3P and branched myself with the entire series. I've played almost every english release of the SMT series and I love them. Now I love Persona as much as the next guy, but this milking with P3-P5 is getting out of hand. No love for P 1 and 2? I know ppl keep defending the claim that "they don't want to disrespect the previous creation." 1. That's a little too late because 3 exists. And 2. If that was the case, why did they use Igor and not the rest of the Velvet room occupants? I'm honestly just tired from all this and just hope SMT V doesn't turn into Kawashita again.
@@riu8186 P1 is probably my personal favorite gameplay wise out of 1,2is and 3. It doesn't have as, much extra stuff going on like rumors in p2 or the s.links of 3, but I kinda like that. It's straight forward and very charming stories & characters. 2 onwards are grander and have more going on in their world's, but that's to be expected with sequels. And anyway, what makes you think ppl just want another rerelease of 1&2? Most ppl, myself included, would be happy with full on remakes with updated graphics and modern battle system. Don't gotta do anything with the stories or characters, their fine as is, just make em prettier (because I've seen ppl avoid these games for the graphics alone, which is a shame since they're rather beautiful and advanced as far as 90's Atlus goes) and give a battle system that modern fans won't pussy out over. Japanese fanbase loves them just fine, so that's hopeful. The only ppl I think that wouldn't interested in seeing 1&2 remade are the ppl that play Persona SPECIFICALLY for the s.links alone. For some reason.
11:20 as someone who, at the time had little knowledge of Shin Megami Tensei was but was a hardcore FE fan, i was pissed. Then I did 5 second research into SMT, then I was livid. What I was lead to expect: it would be a darker fire emblem game with demons. What I reasonably should have expected: a dark story about demons with a classical medieval setting. What we got: Idols and magic girls.
I really like TMS, I'm a sucker for idol girls and jpop over the top madness as much as the next weeb. But it reeeeeaaaaalllllly shouldn't have been the SMT x FE crossover. I can only dream of a true blend of the fe and smt franchises in characters, tone, and gameplay.
I mean, it's pretty obvious that they are ignoring SMT to some extent, as of now. But honestly, how can we really blame them? SMT was never THAT popular in the west. It also doesn't help that there is less of a market for hard games than ever before. I'm not sure I agree with most of the things in this video, however. You realize persona was never even considered a shin megami tensei spinoff in Japan, right? They never put the label on the boxes. The SMT logo was always just a marketing gimmick for western audiences. Also, none of these persona spinoffs were created BY Atlus, they were basically just published by them. I'm not going to argue that the Persona series isn't killing SMT, but the amount of salt in this video just really irked me.
sad truth I mean I only know bout SMT because of Persona series which I had followed since I was a child since then had been constantly waiting for release whether theyre spin-offs or not. (I knew the game through my deceased cousin who introduced me. I thank him everyday for introducing me to the game. Revelations: Persona) I watch videos here and there to see how similar/different they are and what their storyline/timelines are otherwise I have no idea what SMT is except they share the same Persona demons.
“There is less of a market for hard games than ever before.” My guy, have you been absent from gaming for the past nine years? The success and influence of Dark Souls would spit all over your argument.
@@lloydbagby8355 Eh its gets way easier when you understand the mechanics and just luster candy and trisagion and cheat the compendium to max ur protags skills and go for a only magic build in smt 4 Apocalypse honestly just start with that game and if you need any tips just watch johneawesome and you will understand
@@googas1 I mean, in the grand scheme of things, a year and a half is not a lot of time. "Soon" might be a little too much, but considering SMT IV was released 10 years after Nocturne, 1.5 years is nothing lol
@@paizubong477 well Remember that we have former developers attempting successor series like yooka-laylee, bloodstained, gunvolt, blaster master, a hat in time and many others.
@@paizubong477 Wasn't Kazuyuki Yamai(who is the current producer for SMT series) previously the director for the Raidou games? Also Kazuma Kaneko was the artist and Shoji Meguro was the composer. So that makes at least 3 key devs who are still at Atlus currently.
This reminds me of how Assassin’s Creed started as a Prince of Persia spin-off in development, but when it came out it sold so well that it became a huge franchise and Prince of Persia slowed to a crawl and is now practically dead...
Ah, Prince of Persia. I miss that series. From The Prince's sidescrolling antics on the PC, to his legendary exploits on the PlayStation 2, I was there.
@@oscarzxn4067 I used to like the Rabbids in small doses, but came to greatly resent them as time went on. I also feel they contributed to the infantile flanderizing of Rayman's character and lore and why we never got a 3D sequel.
I kinda feel a bit bad for the new fans of Persona that came in from P5 because they aren't used to the way Atlus just makes more and more spinoffs of successful games like the fans of P4. And I agree with more spinoffs for SMT.Or hell make a new IP all together.
Hi im a new Fan who just started Persona 5 and i really like this game. But theres a thing that confused me, why are Games like Persona spin offs? For me they look like its their own franchise
@@yoshka1038 It basically is at this point, but early on when Persona was first created it was heavily inspired by Shin Megami Tensei. It's very easy to tell with how different 1 and 2 are compared to 3-5. Persona 3 is where the series really got it's identity and has stuck with that same formula ever since. However, up until Persona 4 Golden, Atlus used the Shin Megami Tensei name in the title for every Persona that came out in order to increase sales due to brand recognition. For instance, when Persona 3 first came out it was titled "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3". After Persona 4 sold so well it no longer had to ride off the SMT name. Nowadays, it's quite the opposite. More people will say demons such as Jack Frost is from Persona instead of Shin Megami Tensei, simply because more people have played Persona.
@@yunarukami4359 Yea, i mean i buyed Persona 5 and was like "Heard this game is lit, and i love smash, so why not". This game is soooo good, i really like the balancement between the daily life and the phantom thiev life, i kinda love this game, so i was like "Lets get the other Persona games when i complete it, oh wait i heard a while ago its also part of the smt series, i heard its a big boss jrpg franchise like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts, i love these 2 franchises! Lets take a look". I was looking for a video about smt and saw that did ypu know gaming video. I was surprised how many spin offs this series had, but when i saw the comments i kinda immediatly began to dislike the smt fanbase. I was like "Seems like im a weeb waifu faggot fuck face when i like persona, i think its enough reading all this...". Then i looked for an video about smt 5 coz i heard its not even out, and THEN i found this Video, i kinda understand now the hate Persona gets from smt Fans, i mean wtf. But this all dont affect what i think about Persona and the comments on the other video, i would definitely try a smt game when i can get one. But yea, that little journey was interesting, and it was only 3 days long. (Sry for my english)
@@yoshka1038 Yeah don't worry too much about what the diehard SMT fanbase has to say, at lot of their hostility toward Persona comes from jealousy because of how much more attention it receives in comparison to SMT. And the fact that Atlus has held off on giving SMT a proper main title for almost a decade and a half now. Which I can totally understand. But honestly it all comes down to taste. SMT and Persona are both very different beasts and after fully playing through the entire Persona series and a few SMT games like Nocturne and digital devil saga, I have to say I will always love Persona more because of it's loveable and relatable characters and deep psychological storytelling. So don't let all the negativity get to you. Just because extremists say the new games suck doesn't mean they really do, it just isn't their cup of tea. But if the setting of SMT interests you at all I would highly recommend giving Nocturne a try. I found it to be my personal favorite. As for Persona, you can't go wrong with 3 and 4 if you finish 5 and love it a lot. 3 is my favorite when it comes to the overall message and storyline and 4 has my favorite cast. And by the way, I feel I should welcome you to the Persona community! Sorry you had to have such a bad first impression, but I promise we aren't all like that! I find the Persona 3-5 fanbase in particular much more respectful and welcoming than the SMT community mainly for the reasons I listed above.
The reaction displayed for SMT #FE was the same for Fire Emblem fans too [Speaking as one of them]. Most of the people I knew did not want whatever that was.
I honestly don't think that Persona has actually killed SMT rather, it pushed SMT to the backburner. It's easily the most profitable thing Atlus has and they were going through some financial issues in the past that Sega had to save them to keep making games. I'm willing to bet that they have a minimum gross that they have to make, or else they'll be liquidated. I don't know for sure, but I can assume that whatever is causing Atlus' neglect of SMT as a whole is probably business related. I still don't like how little effort is being put into everything though. It seems like Atlus is trying to maximize profit rather than make complete products, and it makes me mad. Because I want to see better. It also doesn't help that they refuse to communicate what's going on. Like, they're a big company, why not let us know? It at least allows us to know if something is still in development, rather than waiting and wondering if it was cancelled. It's an ass backwards decision that is really the worst part of it all. I wouldn't care if we at least were told about the development.
@@aaronpeterson3838 I think they are relatively small. They have relied heavily on other companies publishing their games in the past, especially outside of Japan. I think they also used to do contract work for bigger publishers in the past. I know their previous parent company sold them to Sega due to financial issues.
I always thought this was inevitable. SMT mainline and it’s spinoffs seem to sell a tiny fraction of Persona 3-. I started with Nocturne, then Persona 3. I’ve enjoyed most of the 3/DS entries, but most of them simply aren’t as approachable as Persona. Not happy about it, but this isn’t likely to change. (I know it’s an old video, but I’m here because it was on my mind.)
SMT has been on the backburner ever since they moved to being mainly Nintendo handheld exclusives. It's clear Atlus believes it's not as marketable as Persona, so it's been relegated to low budget, niche releases.
Lol, Persona is the most profitable series from Atlus, yet, it will never ever be a main series since you can't get back in time and prevent persona 1 from being a spin off lol
@@notaarnav it doesn't matter if Atlas is trying to rebrand Persona as a stand alone franchise. It just isn't because it generated from SMT (which also generated from MT).Heck, even Persona 5 combat system is more SMT than any Persona has been before.
@@notaarnav Persona is the most important success for ATLUS, no one is denying that. I just simply point out that it can't never be a main series due to its origins even if Atlus dropped SMT for good. Also, SMT5 is gonna do amazing. 4 did and the franchise wasnt all that popular outside Japan plus everything on Switch sells as hot cakes for some reason.
@@rober4 The Super Mario games are considered mainline although by this logic they’d need to be spin offs of Donkey Kong. I get where you’re coming from but i consider Persona “mainline” now due to its ability to stand on its own and be its own “mainline” series.
Amber Valkerie yeah.the survivor series is actually my most preferred game out of the entire franchise. Mostly since I have a massive hard on for turn based tactical games like fire emblem and advance wars.
Most people I know who were introduced by Persona 5 sadly wouldn't be able to beat SMT games/other spin-offs because of their difficulty which does make them inaccessible to them in a way. I myself just barely beat SMT 3 Nocturne and Devil Survivor with blood an tears whilst beating Persona 5 with 0 deaths while I hear some good amount of people saying P5 was moderately difficult.
The only mainline smt game I've played is SJ, but I've played P5 and P5R and I think they're pretty easy personally. The hardest parts are Kamoshidas palace due to lack of resources, the Okumura fight in royal and some of the will seed bosses. Other than that the games really manageable, especially in R with how early you get to buy high level personas and how easy money grinding in Mementos is. It's definitely no Persona 2 IS but I can see how going from P5 to smt can hurt alot.
11:16 Not just you guys, FE fans were also ticked off by this. Mainly those of us who wanted a return to form after the shortcomings of Awakening, and especially after the bollocks that was Fates.
I feel the same regarding Armored Core and Souls games with From Soft. If only they're more honest. They're completely legal to milk their popular titles, but that doesn't mean it's ethical on the fans to announce a new title coming but putting another IP's milking on their faces.
I started with Atlus because of P5, yet I still have an extensive knowledge and appreciate the SMT series. There are too many people who I can talk with about Persona, and none of them know about SMT. It pains me.
I learned about Atlus through Disgaea - which was a double-duty to introduce me to NIS, and I tried Nocturne afterwards. Putting it mildly, that game was way too much for me to dive into. I wound up getting Digital Devil Saga on the grounds "Atlus does not release huge batches of physical games" at the time; it very much is a favorite of mine, and I need to go back and . . . get beaten down again by Demifiend. Ahem. Anyway, I steered away from the Persona series on hearing about how you could legitimately not do everything in one play. Not as "you need to pick a path and see it through" in Nocturne, but "time management is a major factor". I wound up eventually biting the bullet and doing Persona 5 for myself, and don't regret it at all. Probably won't go backwards, since I can see things which were trimmed out of the games in the latest iteration which would royally piss me off to deal with if they were in P5 (reversed social links, like . . . no, no no no no). Atlus produces a lot of games outside of these, though, distributes more - and they get less attention. I feel that is more of something to lament than "The Shin Megami Tensei branding's been lost from the spinoffs". I mean, I was around when the first Mana game was hacked into a "Final Fantasy" title by Squaresoft - I'd much rather different series not be branded to grab peoples' attention. In this case, that'd mean I'd prefer Persona to just be its own line and remain distinct. . . . now if you don't mind, I need to lament how the Quintet/Enix series was a goddamn mess from "Soul Blazer" to "Terranigma".
@@kereminde from what i've heard you actually can do everything in a single playthrough of p5 but you have to do everything just right, which is pretty much impossible without following a thorough guide.
I started with P3P but couldn't get into it at all i liked some aspects though and the box title “Shin megami tensei persona 3“ made me look up wth SMT is and i fell in love with SMT 2 and 3 afterwards by now i played most games and spin offs and even managed to get into and like Persona 1, both P2 games and P5. Don't know what it was but P3 and 4 never managed to keep me interested.
@@jinkisaragi874 i got hooked on p4 almost as much as 5 and also got pretty into 3, just not as much as 4 or 5. never played 1 or 2 but from everything i've seen and heard i'm surprised you could get into them and not 3 or 4. if you didn't get far into 3 or 4 i'd give them another chance.
@@Jack_80 I really liked combat in 1 and 2 and 2 especially had very interesting characters and story imo. Only played them on a emulator so speed up options and quicksaves definitly made them better and are a big reason that somethings didn't pissed me off. I tried to replay P4 with golden on a vita a friend gave me and P3 with the FES version since a lot of people said it is the better version . I stoped P4 after naoto joined the party because i forced myself through it and didn't had any fun so far ( took me like 3 weeks to get to this point because i had a hard time playing it for longer periods). And i don't even remember how far i made it into P3 i think a bit after the love hotel dungeon. I just can't get into them, don't know why exactly, P4 music is pretty fucking awesome and i even have the full OST on my phone and P3 made me look up all that stuff and i found my favourite franchise that way so i'm still glad that i tried these 2.
I'm more worried on how it's going to sell, it's on a Nintendo console and like 95% of people who own a Switch only buy Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing and Zelda games and won't give SMT a glance so very likely sales are going to be very very low
To me, a lot of this video is from the point of view of the western consumer. In Japan, Persona has NEVER carried the SMT moniker. It was simply added here in the west to capitalize on an existing trademark. The point when the real shift happened with Persona was around 2012 to 2013, which was the point when ATLUS's parent company declared bankruptcy, leaving the company dead in the water to struggle on their own. Projects like SMT x Fire Emblem changed focus to appeal to idol culture as it was popular in Japan at the time, and SMTIV had the White ending added, which created a finality to the series in case they really did go belly-up. SEGA only finalized its ownership of ATLUS in 2016, and until then ATLUS milked their most popular game, Persona 4, for as much cash as possible so they could survive. Now, I'm hoping that ATLUS is back on its feet with the massive influx of money brought by Persona 5, but I really have no idea what their financial situation has been, or currently is. I just want Shin Megami Tensei V.
I don't see how the white ending has anything to do with the "finality" of the series. You say that like all the games take place in the same universe and it has an ongoing story.
If I gotta be honest, I'm new to both series, and haven't played any of the games yet. So when I saw the next SMT, it made me super interested in what the franchise is all about. Whenever I ask about it, I keep getting recommended to the Persona franchise since it's a spin off. For me, Persona 5 blew up too much to lose my attention. It's all over the place. Every youtuber plays it, and every streamer streams it. I do want to see Persona 3 stuff though, but that's another story. Point is if I was an SMT fan, I would be just as ruffled waiting for the next installment, when their spin off has 20, and a character immortalized in Smash. Not saying persona 5 is bad tho. It's great, buuuut I wanna see more SMT V to catch as much interest as well.
People don't really play Persona 3 because there's no PC release yet unlike with P4 Golden. Wish they'd do that soon and fix all the problems with it like how they made fusion spells into meh items in P3P that you have to buy instead of doing a great strategy that uses specific persona's for specific spells and add along FeMC. as a programmer I know it'll be a huge Hassel tho but considering how large of a fanbase Persona 4 and 5 gathered that also checked Persona 3 along with the fact that alot of people who played it considered it a favorite despite playing the P5 and P4 first. the moment it hits PC it will gather profits for sure. unless they're doing a remaster they already have models from the P3 Dancing all night Spin-off.. In which case Hell fucking yeah.
an issue also worth mentioning is that games are getting more and more expensive to produce. For a smaller studio like Atlus, Persona was the safest bet since Persona 4 was the best selling game in the company's history at the time. This is why we've gotten nothing but handheld games for the mainline/non-persona spinoffs. They cost less to make, so they're safer bets. I'm just gonna ignore the whole argument of how Atlus treats Persona vs how it treats SMT, because its a puddle I'm not step in yet. I'm just gonna say one thing: SMT V is so important because its the first full 3D entry in the series since Nocturne, and the first one in HD. We know that Atlus wants to give us more info on it (i think it was one of their focuses for this year alongside Cathering Full Body, but don't quote me one that. I think it was just on their holiday card or something. I can't quite remember) but the fact SMT V exists is enough to give me hope. Atlus should try and be more experimental for sure in the near future, but they did give us Dx2 here in the West, which was fun enough, and it feels like their trying to create a buffer so they can be more experimental. I think it's safe to say SMT is the still the passion of the company, they just have to be smart and release Persona games to maintain the costs to keep that passion alive
It worth noting that the reason Atlus made so many spinoffs/side-games for the franchise back in the 90s and the PS2 era is because of the lower cost for game develoment back then, and SMT _was more popular_ in Japan back then(since that was before the blowout success of Pokemon and FF7), which is why they decided to go all out with their franchise at that time. Now after PS3/Xbox360 era, game development costs increased A TON, and that was the primary reason Atlus never made a single MegaTen RPG on HD consoles. They were still a small japanese company and could never afford to do it, and instead choose to develop for PS2 even late in it's lifecycle(same goes for DS, 3DS, PSP, PS Vita). And they really can't risk making anymore SMT spinoffs on consoles currently, because they know most SMT fans who own modern consoles would prefer a mainline game with decent-great graphics, over yet another spinoff. Besides, the're already more spinoffs then the're main SMT and Persona games combined. and really that's why they went with SMT5. They basically chose to give the fans the best thing they could afford to do. However I personally think maybe, JUST MAYBE. if SMT5 sells well, Atlus could go back to making MegaTen games in general by reusing all the assets they made for demons in SMT5 and taking advantage of Unreal engine to develop those games in lesser time and more efficiently(exactly how they did in the PS2 era after they finished Nocturne). Though that depends if the SMT dev team wants to continue making MegaTen games all their lives, or just make fresh new games like Studio Zero with Project Re Fantasy. EDIT: Pardon my bad English. I was typing very fast there.
I personally think that Project Re Fantasy has a place in that debate as well. If a completly new game from ATLUS reach Persona 5 levels of fame, SEGA would inject more money into the company as a whole and they could afford to try to make HD sequels do Devil Summoner and the other series that time killed
@IT IS A HUGE SCORPION WITH EVIL SOUL >Project re fanatsy is only being made because hashino made persona popular so they green light his personal project. How do you know that though? Do you work for Atlus? I did some research about it to check if you're right or not. What I found was that Atlus said back in 2017 that they were planning to open a new studio to make new IPs. which turned out to be this Studio Zero. Apparently they are working two projects simultaneously, one of them is completely unknown while the other is Re Fantasy. Atlus president said in a Famitsu interview that they entrusted the studio to Katsura Hashino specifically because they didn't have anyone free to do the job(It was when he finished work on P5 at the time), also because he was one of the most trusted developers for them. That's pretty much all there is to it. As for Kazuma Kaneko. Why would he even get to make his own game project? Can he? As far as I know he was mainly an artist for Atlus, not a veteran game designer. He didn't even create the Megaten series himself, he worked on it for 25 years but that's it. Also apparently, he's became a top manager at Atlus. which is why he's not the artist for SMT anymore.
The reason I think as to why it has been so rarely discussed nowadays is simply cause things have been so quiet on the SMT front. Since, what have we gotten since Persona's rise to power? One game on the 3ds and it's sequel (a sequel I don't consider canon btw) that where somewhat low budget where series creators only took a back seat role, that sorry excuse of a crossover on the Wii U, a remake of a rather under the radar title, and practically nothing since SMTV was teased. Either that or fans have simply left after that mess that was Apocalypse. Also, that record needle scratch was a nice touch.
The thing I'm really pissed off about is how atlus ignores the hell out of persona 1 and 2. I love both those games so much and the most representation they get nowadays is a dlc costume or smthn. Like when atlus put persona songs on spotify, they didn't put any from persona 1 on there
Of course Persona got more popular than rest of SMT franchise considering the fact, that only Persona got distributed outside Japan. I mean, original SMT games got official english translation on IOS. They never re-released those games in english, so no suprise many people don't know them. Everything else is just the case of - if new formula works, let's go on with it. Persona 3 and 4 were huge success not only in Japan, but outside as well. Atlus finally distributed more games from SMT made after that. Naturally that they tried to make them look like Persona series, the one that cought everyone's attention. If anything is responsible for this "death" of SMT, is Atlus itself for not allowing us experience previous entries in the series.
True im European, and just i want buy original SMT 1, 2, IF trilogy, but those games was never localised/remastered in West. So its only way to pirate them and use fan translation patch. If Sony didnt say ,,no'' to localisation first Devil Summoner on PSX, Persona Revelations propably will be not first spin-off SMT localised in West. Who knows, maybe Devil Summoner today will be more popular than Persona. Second, all main Persona games was released on popular platform - Playstation, most of SMT games on niche consoles in West like SNES, Saturn, DS, 3DS (except 3 PS2 games). Thats only one reason why Persona now is more popular than SMT (second is popular highschool setting, dating sim, waifus and anime tropes). Maybe ATLUS redeem sins and in future finaly rerelease older SMT games on Steam.
I’m glad that you could look back at this video knowing that SMT III is being remastered for a new generation of audiences and speaking from personal experience, playing Persona actually got me interested in SMT franchise and is probably the main reason I subscribed to your channel
I'm a new fan of Persona and I'm glad theres a decent amount of games for me to start with (I'm playing Persona 1 on psp right now) but I am excited to get into SMT. Gonna start with the SNES version if I can.
Cheekyzoombies oh Jesus I heard terrible things about that one. Not that it’s a bad game at all but I heard it’s hell from other fans but have fun though
The problem is that i feel like SMT and persona have drastically different gameplay loops. In persona, the sim elements are such an integral part of the game that it can sometimes feel like the combat is more of a side thing.
In all Social / Dating Sims it's like that (less focus on gameplay, more focus on interactions with characters). The only one Social / Dating Sim game with decent focus on combat i know it's ... Langrisser 3-5 from 1996-1998 on Sega Saturn, and those excellent games were made by ... SMT Devil Survivor developers (Career Soft).
Just played Persona 5, basically my first introduction to any of the games developped by Atlus, and I am ready to get to know more about these two franchises! Thanks for explaining all this, it's quite helpful for new peeps like me :)
SMT is such a fucking amazing series, it honestly hurts to see it being neglected in exchange for more Persona spinoffs, just to get money following the anime trend. Playing Persona 5, I started to appreciate the features of mainline SMT, like demon negotiations and the focus on fusing new demons. But it's almost like the everyday life parts provide good breathers inbetween the cruel RPG gameplay... Yeah, maybe I'll appreciate the lack of dating-sim aspects when I get older.
I don't think it's elitist to be upset with Atlus as a company for the way they've been treating a series that, while not their most popular or profitable still has a pretty sizable following. (Granted we finally have a release date for SMT V) Your feelings and those of many SMT fans on that matter make sense. What crosses into elitism is when SMT fans start giving Persona fans shit just because they like...enjoy playing a game? "Oh you like Persona 5? Psssh, go play a REAL SMT game." Like it's not a crime to enjoy something for the love of god. As a fan of both series, SMT just isn't for everyone, it's much more difficult and unforgiving, and generally less character driven. That shit just isn't what everyone looks for in a JRPG and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! It's quite frankly just rude and jaded to act that way when what you're really mad about is how your series has been thrown on the back burner. That's not the fault of someone just having a good time with a video game they like, it's the fault of a company who's shown their main drive to be whatever can be their biggest cash cow whether it makes all sections of the fanbase happy or not.
As a Persona fan, I found this video incredibly helpful. I'm in love with 5, and vuagely heard about SMT here and there. With more info on SMT 5, I was curious to get into the series after I finish 5. I didn't realize any of this was an issue, and I'm glad I found your video giving your opinion on the topic.
Oh please. You think this is a betrayal, cause a company does what companies do and focus on what gives them success and not what always pleases its customers? Try being a fan of something like Advance wars, whose been eclipsed by one of those series you mentioned, Fire Emblem. Or how Mega man fans only recently got a mega man game, and how Mega man legends fans got shafted by Capcom and blamed it on the fans or, and this is rich, released a Darkstalkers compilation that was successful but deemed "not successful enough" and thus any plans for a sequel canned. Or how Star Fox can't be allowed to move out of the shadow of the 64 title and became infamous for being a conspiracy theory that Nintendo dumped it on Rare as revenge for leaving them. And dont even get me started on what being a Beserk fan is like. The series isn't dead, its just currently not as profitable as this one and of course what is making lots of money is going to get it. The nonenglish voice dub is a pragmatic decision for Persona Q2 and Deep Strange Journey. Persona Q2 has a massive cast and dubbing them all would take alot of time and money, with the latter DSJ having not been super successful to begin with in its original form. Besides, English text. Plus it probably helps that unlike the SMT where the concept and how demons and such works changes between games while in Persona its pretty consistent.
Minor correction, Kyuukaku isn't a spin-off, it is just the original Megami Tensei (before the "Shin" part, since you know these were loosely based on the original books) games packaged together as a re-release.
SMT HASN'T BEEN KILLED YET! SMTV AND SMT NOCTURNE HD REMASTERED BABY!!!
Honestly what I was about to say, got into Atlus for Persona, might as well give the oldy a try!
I'm loving Persona 4 ... should I check SMT ..and what should I start with ?
@@mohamedabdullah3733 Everyone's saying to start with *SMTIII: Nocturne* for a reason. It's a good representation for everything the series stands for: weird as fuck and dark atmosphere, apocalyptic setting, challenging difficulty and awesome demon art and music.
@@mohamedabdullah3733 If you have a 3DS I'd say IV would be good start. The game was designed to be beginner friendly while still sticking to what made SMT the series that it is and did a wonderful job at introducing many to SMT.
ATLUS HAS FINALLY EMBRACED SWITCH
Atlus (06-08): “So, we put the Shin Megami Tensei label on Persona 3 & 4 so they would sell better. You know, since SMT is our most well-known franchise.”
Atlus (2020): “Wait a minute, I have an idea!!”
Atlus (2025): *Persona: Shin Megami Tensei V*
The cringe levels are through the roof.
Lol imagine
i would die.
"From the developer of persona"
You jest, but I wouldn't be shocked if the next time we see SMTV it's (at least in the West) rebranded as a Persona title.
SMT Fans: You took everything from me!
Persona Fans: I don't even know who you are.
Pretty much accurate I didn't even know that SMT exist until I have seen something about SMT that is featuring Dante from the devil cry series,SMT looks cool
Actually the opposite i was watching munching orange and stumbled on johne awesome's smt 4 Apocalypse and from that got into persona
HAHAAHAHAHAHA
I never heard of SMT until I was googling stuff for Persona 5 and the wiki was called Megami Tensei Wiki
me a fan of both: This is fine
So, every Atlus franchise is a spin off from a spin off from another spin off ...
That's deep
Soooooo Atlus was the OG Xzibit then, huh? ¶=
Well not EVERY one, there's Radiant Historia, very good RPG that's not connected to smt/persona at all. And outside of the Q series, Etrian Odyssey is it's own thing as well to my knowledge. And there's also trauma center, that one super pretty game coming out, Aegis Rift iirc
Etrian Odyssey isn't
What about Catherine?
honestly Persona has just become it's own thing at this point.
So mucj to the point where the Persona logo nolonger keeps the SMT moniker
they still have the demons/Personas, P5 brought demons as enemys back and demon talk, aswell as the story kinda being a Chaos lite route
True, Persona is basically just a stand-alone game now
To be fair is not really separated from everything else, persona 5 is the most smt persona game since 2, it has a lot of references to smt like destiny land, the apocalypse happends (it gets fixed but happends), god appears in a very similar way to smt2, the shido palace takes place in a flooded Tokyo like the cathedral from smt1, it has something like alignment endings and demon negotiation returns, plus no one points that when you obtain a new persona the game tells you that it happends because they remember they are demons and come from the sea of souls wich is a concept from persona 1, game that is totally smt. Persona 5 narrative acknowledges that it is an smt game, in a subtle way but is definitely there.
In other words persona is not less smt, is just marketed separately because it makes more money than any other franchises from atlus. Persona 5 is conected to 3 and 4, 3 is conected to 2 and 1, SMT IF is conected to persona 1 and devil summoner, from there you can totally say that is still smt.
You could say that, IT BECAME IT'S OWN PERSONA!
*Devil survivor fandom sitting silently at the corner*
Remember when SMT crossed over with an SRPG franchise on a Nintendo system? Sure am glad we got a fucking idol musical instead of another Devil Survivor. Would be real fucking strange to have the SRPG subseries be the one to interact with the SRPG franchise.
Digital Devil Saga fandom:
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*Raidou fans crying*
Kaido Best boi
Devil Surviver(What SMT x Fire Emblem should've been)
Donkey Kong fans must be pissed. The inferior spinoff Super Mario, gets more games per year than DK
Try being a Banjo-Kazooie fan, awaiting a sequel to the spinoff of Diddy Kong spinning off from Donkey Kong!
@@Lugbzurg microsoft must make a new banjo game or I will say the n word
Now dats a really big brain
It is funny but it is not true
@@TheBrazilRules actually small brain human, in Donkey Kong arcade, you play as Mario, as of then called Jumpman. After the popularity of Donkey Kong, they made Mario Bros arcade game and renamed Jumpman to Mario, thus making the Super Mario series a spinoff of the Donkey Kong seires. Think of Mario as Persona and Donkey Kong of Shin Megami Tensei
Persona 5 isn't being as Milked as 4
*Its being milked even more*
But does it have two anime adaptations, two manga adaptations, two fighting games, two manga adaptations of fighting games and pachinko? I still kinda like Persona 4 more than 5, but in terms of milking P4 is an undisputable champion.
in terms of time since release to amount of milking 5 is definitely giving 4 a run for its money though, and it's bringing 3 back for the ride
@@ИгорьГорелов-ы4п it's just the matter of time.. P5 already beat P4 everywhere.
I love P4 more but the potential milking of P5 makes my nipples sore.
okay so they made 2 games, 1 anime, now theyre making 2 more games, one is a spin off musou and the other just a glorified dlc like 3 and 4. p4 had way more shit and youre complaining
2000: smt: let’s work together
2018: persona: now’s our chance for an all out attack
I still prefer smt to be honest
I like classic arts
Let us comence with an all out atack
x:Yes o: No
Can you say that you never see it coming?!!!!!
Persona: “I’ve been waiting for this”
@@bardo-samaexpoppy-sama4755 O
Sega: Milks Sonic
Atlus: Hold my Persona
Don't you mean
Atlus: hold my Pyro Jack
It's gane neutral it coyld be SMT or Persona
Sega owns Atlus.
@@KareemHillJr I think your missing the joke
Zavok and Joker were in a game once y'know
Hold my megidolaon
To be fair most of the Persona spin-offs aren't even developed by atlus, they''re only supervised by atlus. The fighting games have arcsys, the q games have the etrian odyssey team, the rythm games were co-developed by Dingo (project diva) & Scramble is mostly by koei tecmo. I believe that if these games weren't made we wouldn't have any more smt or Persona games released in between, just blank years.
I mean.. well if they didnt allow it then they wont be getting funds for the next generation Persona games and or spin-offs.. so it just make sense they would try to make as much to get people going.
I mean they pretty much milked my wallet everytime (except arena games)
@@notaarnav Influenced maybe, but thy're still not the ones making the games. I'm fairly certain all their efforts are going into SMT 5 and 3-master, especially now that Persona 5 Royal is out.
Do that’s why P5 strikers had hyrule warriors style gameplay.
To be honest, I feel like Persona gave more attention to Shin Megami Tensei, the reason why I was introduced to SMT was due to the Persona series.
Same here and after playing mainline I prefer it to persona
Same I wouldn't never discovered this jewel of a series if it wasn't for Persona.
same here. I got into p5 vanilla, and then played strikers and royal. And then I got myself into Nocturne HD. After that I played Persona 3P and now I'm playing dds and I'm loving it!!! I wouldn't have discovered ATLUS games if it weren't for persona.
Me too
same here, but you really have to dig into the series to find that its even connected, ppl who are plainly just interested in p5 wont even have a clue
Worse than alone / Exiled.
Worse than exiled / Dead.
Worse than dead / Forgotten.
-- *Maya Amano:* Persona 2
:(
*;-;*
F for our girl....
That's ironic because I can't remember her at all
thats sad. I guess you're one of the fallen brothers/sisters for not remembering.
I just really hope SMT V is gonna do really well with the switch’s momentum, and then Atlus will start showing more love to SMT again.
Does anyone know what happened with that rumour on the Nocturne remake?
Shafiee Khaidzir there is a nocturne remake rumor? Man I doubt it would ever happen but my god I would fucking love a remake of it. Even just a PC port with high res support and a touch up on lighting or something and I’d hands down 60$ day one
It was not a rumor. Kazayuki Yamai explicitly said that Atlus have considered remaking Nocturne, but it was only mentioned at August of last year. We can only wait for SMT V for the moment and see how much uproar causes so Atlus start giving importance again to mainline games.
Jesús S. Ah okay, I hope they do it someday. But yeah I’m glad I’m far from the only one that wants to see more attention to the mainline series. The persona games are not bad games but for me personally none of them compare to nocturne and even SMTIV and that was a 3DS game (hell at the time I bought a 3DS just to play it never regretted it)
@@BlackRoseCloud I'm on the same boat, my friend. I still think Persona is a good Megaten spin-off, but I wouldn't put it above any mainline SMT entry (including the SNES releases). I mean, the neo Persona combat system feels like a watered down version of the press turn system, which in my opinion is one of the best rpg battle systems. Doing mad damage at endgame bosses is really cool. Also, you have a big variety of demons to select as party members rather than just 5 or 6 characters. And speaking of the demons, that's one of the main reasons I got interested in SMT alongside the story (which I don't understand why some people call it "bland"). The characters I can understand if they are not as appealing as the ones presented in Persona, but that's how the game intended to present them because they are just representing an ideology which is you are supposed to follow one of them ore neither at the end of the game.
Sorry for the big Bible I just wrote, but I feel like people who dislikes SMT for these kind of aspects is the same people who does a playthrough of their favorite neo persona every once in a month...
It's dead in the water, persona fans are on the switch
Where are the smt fans?
Smt fans: MINES BETTER!!!
Persona fan: MINES BETTER!!!
Me: *Nocturnes and persona 3 in hand* Gentlemen, gentlemen... why not both?
*Is crucified for blasphemous statement*
At this point I'm sick of most fandoms. I like hanging out with people from said fandoms but as soon as I attempt to participate in some public forum online... yikes.
TheBrazilRules I’m a D.Gray-man fan it it has both the things you were describing
Who Is the Crazy One Who would reject Nocturne and P3 xD
I've been blasted like this before for wanting peace between these two faction of the Megaten community.
But its funny how Persona 1 or Persona 2 becomes its own community separate from The Big Three, for how much unappreciated those two games are.
I love how the only reason I bought Nocturne was for Dante and I’m not disappointed
Persona never had any SMT branding on the game in Japan. AtlusUSA did this because they thought the SMT logo would be more familiar. Now its just more in line with how persona is in Japan. Now Persona is really popular so theres no incentive to add SMT. it was never meant to promote SMT. it was to get people to buy persona in the west
This is slighty untrue. the first persona game did have a reference to the megami tensei series in its title in japan and it fairly clear it was related to the series. Esepcially by the time of persona 3. sure they added the moniker for western fans sake but that doesn't mean persona was any less part of the mothership series.
Even the original Persona was created to be an SMT subseries.
The incentive is to _now_ promote SMT through Persona. Basically using the moniker for the opposite reason it was originally used.
@@InfernityKnight no, persona alway a spin off period, it called Goddess revealation: persona not shin megami tensei: persona, hell the new persona even removed it goddess part all together, it have reference to megami tensei yes, which is why we call it MegaTen NOT SMT
MegaTen = a vague term for every megami tensei series including spin off such as persona
SMT= mainline series
@@maxinehell1394 Did you even read what I was responding to. he said persona never had "any" smt branding implying it was never related in anyway to the series. when it clearly was. yes it was a spin off but it was still apart of the megaten series. you are just playing semantics with the "shin" bit, yes that is used to address the main line series but the point here is that persona did have branding to the megaten series of games as a whole. people knew there was a relation between them.
*laughs in direct mini 06.20.20*
OHHH HE SPITTIN
I'm ready for SMT milking season
I’m glad it’s being released finally. I just started getting into it and two switch games is a great way to start.
@@tremorchrist SMT isn’t getting milked. They’ve just been constantly rereleasing games hoping we’re satisfied with that. Just look at the 3ds and how many old SMT ports it has.
@@fujinyumi5632 Ah yes, the '3D'S.
I mean Persona makes Atlus a lot of money. I don’t blame them. A Company has to generate a profit. Atlus has simply calculated that they are more likely to recoup there expenses and generate profit with persona than they are with shin megami.
Shin Megami Tensei hasn't been on an actual console for 15 years. With how well the Switch is selling and how much hype there is for Joker, I think knowing that a series also made by Atlus is coming to the Switch, people would buy it. Jrpgs do great on the Switch.
Samuel Elisha i really agree with you a lot
@Raistlin Majere If you have a PS3, you can pick up some really good SMT games like Digital Devil Saga, Persona 3 FES, and SMT Nocturne off the playstore for just 10 a piece. Personally I would recommend Digital Devil Saga as it is a very good entry title into the SMT franchise. It also has a sequel if you are interested.
@@meteorkaiser "Persona 3" When was persona 3 smt?
@@selamtaa1 dude the persona games are spin off games of smt. so they are still smt games. check the box art if you doubt my words ( i think its missing from p4g and p5 though)
Persona 3 and Persona 4 were never Shin Megami Tensei games. Atlus USA just added that for marketing purposes. They dropped it to reflect it more accurately with the japanese versions.
Then why the hell do they not do that for anything else?
The Grand Black Mage They did. About every game Atlus released in the 2000s was given the Shin Megami Tensei label, like Digital Devil Saga.
@@Zephyrs009 That's true, they add the SMT titles to the other games too, like Devil Summoner and Devil Survivor or Digital Devil Saga.
It makes me confused as to which games are main timeline and which are the "roots" or spin-offs.
I think I've never played the main games...or maybe I did? I think Nocturne is one of main right? (Never finished it though)
@@TheKewlPerson well, Games like soulhackers for the 3ds still have the SMT moniker in the west. Either be consistent with Japan or just do things how they used to because this is ridiculous
Technically it still is SMT and thats something you just made up, its still apart of the SMT series too especially persona 4, its like saying "super mario rpg isn't mario because it has rpg elements in it" and same goes for yoshi's island just with a different name. Not to mention that they actually improved the series
While I am a very big fan of the persona series the lack of smt 5 news and and mainline games is concerning to me. Obviously atlus is a business so they wanna make games that they think would make money so they make a bunch of persona spinoffs but they really should give some love to mainline. Hopefully we get some news about smt 5 this because I'm really worried about it and the mainline series future
And the worst part is that SMT 5 Could be a success nowadays...Back in the days games like nocturne where not very popular since jrpgs where kinda colorful and very square related. The worst part is that now smt 4 and smt apocalypse kinda appear more appealing for personish fans. but think about it, a very dark theme game with hardcore mechanics... blablabla something that would be appreciated nowadays.... I see a lot of people saying stuff like I like battle mechanics of persona but high schoolers idols etc kinda turn me off... SMT would be very good for mature gamers that like turn based rpgs.
Aaaaaaaaah shiiiiiiiit, it's harry
Ayyyy ash
Well technically Atlus is more like a team now than a business since Atlus is owned by Sega
And then there's me, still waiting for another Trauma Center.
Trauma Center team here :D
We’re a different breed from these people here for rpgs
@@Fyxe_Hexyz you could say we're the Trauma _Team_
...oh wait
I’m with you man.
Trauma center bruh
*There wasn't alot of information before Persona 5's release either, but they did a really good job with it and it was received very well. I'm hoping SMT 5 will be the same. I hope they're working hard on it and not just ignoring it while they focus on persona stuff. As much as I love Persona 5, SMT really did start it all, and I want Atlus to show it some love again.*
Thank you.
They need to give it time, persona 5 had a ton of time developing and the emphasis on the side crap kinda paints a wrong picture. Persona 4 and 5 had 8 year difference, 9 if you consider the western release, in here he doesn't accept a 3 year difference before the fatalism, not to mention that (with all do respect to Nintendo's handhelds) it was on an inferior console while p5 was on Sony's hardest and finest.
The switch is special, something that hasn't been in a long time. Its popular and powerful enough to give a fresh experience like p5 did compared to p4 and bring SMT to a new level. Don't rush it, give them the time they need to truly invest and you will get what you want
There's literally 13 years between megaten 3 and 4 yet now that we're only 6 years out and only have one trailer everyone's freaking out.
Calm the fuck down people and be patient they're currently primarily focused on they're cash cow. They're most likely just don't have a lot of man power on it.
Look at square as an example. FFVII remake finally got some news after so many years of the last trailer.
Sorry I just copy/pasted my actual comment
@@pickedceasar1216 but between 3 and 4 there were a good chunk of spin offs, now we have redux that inserted a new character that has nothing to do in the original story and is there just to say that there is new stuff in the game that didn't really needed it
1. FeMC Is not cannon, as it is stated in PQ2 that no one from SEES knows her.
2. Persona games are being made by a different division from Atlus, the P Studio, so no, it's not taking their time to develop.
3. Between Persona 4 and 5 (not counting Golden cause it's a re-release) there's been 8 years, so it's not like the Shin Megami Tensei games are the only ones taking a long time to come.
4. Smash is not made for Atlus, so I don't know how would that influence their time, considering all they did was give Nintendo a license to use Persona 5 characters
Thank you! Holy hell it's easy to see why he doesn't have many subs. He doesn't know what he's talking about at all. How he somehow believes games like DDS are SMT spinoffs is beyond me, especially as SMT was only added to the title in the west, same thing for the Persona games.
1-Yes
2-Indeed
3-Fact
4-Correct
shut up Stupei the Defective ok no XD
"cannon"
dammit
she's canon in a parallel timeline
Since the release of SMT2, it took them ten years to release Nocturne, and then another ten years to release SMT IV. Going by this release pattern, we can expect SMT V in 2023 at the latest.
*2021 baybee*
Perfect timing
2021
I guess dds, devil summoner and devil survivor just don't exist
yeah this didn't aged well
About the SMT moniker thing; I don't think it should come back on Persona, because it never was like that in Japan, which is the real important point of reference since it's the language it was made in originally, and is where is a large majority of the playerbase at. The SMT moniker was always just a way to push those game that are from the Megami Tensei universe as a whole since they were rather obscure in the west. Digital Devil Saga, Devil Summoners, and Persona were never really Shin Megami Tensei games, and they were never labelled as such in Japan, it was always just different series in the grand Megami Tensei universe. In the end, Persona dropping the SMT title simply means that it became popular enough to stand on its own in the west, like it does and always did in Japan. I think it's right.
Tho imho, considering the last SMT game was on 3DS which isn't really too popular among the mainstream western audience, and that the one before that is now pretty old, I think it's safe to assume that thing should change considerably once SMTV is released on an actual desktop-style console; With the improvement in presentations and the fact that this is now on a home console, it will make for a perfect entry point in the series for many people, including some Persona and other Atlus's RPG fans. I honestly think it will ignite SMT's flame back again. I think the whole gritty atmosphere of SMT has way more potential than Persona for western fan, popularity wise. We just need a game to showcase the strength of SMT to the mainstream as well as Persona 5 did for the Persona series as a whole.
Would it be different if it had megami tensei without SHIN. It doesn't effect the game, plus I think it should have been that way to start with in Japan.
@@GriffinFire101 it should be Megami Ibunroku since it was a moniker of P1
@@Zeon081 I believe the Japanese monikers aren't any better!
Devil Summoner was indeed labelled Shin Megami Tensei in Japan, but the rest of your point still stands regarding basically every other Megami Tensei subseries.
"Persona 4 Golden only on playstation" Ha funny old atlus
I’m here from the future smt is alive and no persona 6 does not explore the teen pregnancy route
Lmao I remember that
Not if I have anything to say about persona 6
Dammit, it was the one thing that persona 5 sorely lacked
@@abdallaelshazali8724 If it does happen Twitter will riot
Not even gonna lie. I was one of those fans at 1st that didn’t know Persona was in a bigger universe
I’m still pissed that they renamed pyro-jack, jack-o-lantern
And they made it weaker than Jack Frost
It just feels weird
Wasn't it that way in the original two games anyways?
Not only does Jack-o-Lantern make more sense, it was also what it has always been called in Japan. If anything, "Pyro Jack" didn't really fit at all.
@@Harkz0r Pyro-Jack sounds way cooler than basic ass generic Jack-o-lantern which has been overused the past 80 years.
@Retendo We should
This aged like milk
Thankfully
Gotta milk more without any real content B)
Which is a good thing
@@tomato-ir9xs are you seriously saying their needs to be another shin megami game announced because a remake and new main line game coming out in the same year isn’t enough ? Lmao 😂 bruh gamers never cease to amaze me with how entitled they are. also not everyone wants to buy a ps2 to play nocturne or buy the game off eBay when they could play it in Hd on switch ? Dumb af
@@Nerevarine420 You gave me hope for humanity. I swear gamers think devs work in a sweatshop for them. Entitlement to the core.
Also, yeah it aged like milk. I am not a big Nyarly fan, he has a tendecy to jump to his conclusions. Regardless of that though but SMT is only looking up on the up on and up.
Plus, as a general ruleish.
We have gotten more SMT focus recently in the past few years and honestly, it has always been a niche series. It does not however mean that Persona 'killed' SMT. It literally just means that Persona became somehow more popular; probably because for lack of better term, dumber and more tropey (in a good way, i truly mean this.)
SMT is more philosophy and hardcore story telling. But because it has demons, angels who probably only know because of persona (and not because of myth) and it is because it is uhh
more 'narrow'. Selling someone on SMT will be much, much harder then Persona.
In short, no SMT is doing fine. It just has a smaller community and that is arguably because it is more complicated, is niche multimythicalism and has a narrow, very specific audience. For better or worse, Persona's is more popular because it is essentailly an anime sim. Still love both for different reasons.
I really like how you found the old images for p5 announcement in 2014
And the first announcement Tokyo mirage session
Shin megami x Fire emblem
It makes the video feel like a documentary of these games and Atlus
Musica SMT X FE was supposed to be great. Godlike. I remember being hype in high school when I saw that first teaser; now it’s just.... garbage.
I feel this video divides the fan base even more. I think it's good persona and SMT are split they both appeal to different types of audiences. You saying things like "They never would have gotten to this point without SMT." is bad. It's letting SMT get all the credit (which it does deserve some) when it was that the developers ability to try something new. As an SMT fan, stop trying to divide the community or more accurately, stop trying to create a divide when there was already a split, these are two different communities now, not one.
I agree with you. I tried SMT games before but I never got to finish them. After I got a ps4 my friend told me about P5 and I fell in love with it. Because of P5 I am willing to try sone SMT games again. Also looking forward to SMT5
I don't think he was trying to create a divide, just analyze one that already existed.
If you hate grinding, don't play JRPG. What a dumb comment.
u r aware that in persona 5 u don’t rly grind and it is still a jrpg, right?
I've legit fallen asleep while grinding sometimes it's all on how it's done hyper dimension neptunia is trash at that very basic combat and same shit same shit same shit persona 3 got super freaking boring with grinding persona 4 atleast has different palaces but even there it gets a little boring from time to time but you don't really grind your just playing the game for p3 the answer and regular based tbh you need to grind for the bosses while p5 is legit barely any grinding tbh there's so many different ways to win battles through other means aside from just leveling your character games where that's the only option is it annoying cause there's no skill involved just put more time in and bam you win Ys 8 has some grinding but the combat is so damn fun you don't notice and there's parrying to make you fight higher leveled enemies tbh if you like grinding great go play smt and the vast amount of RPGs out there but I'm sure a lot of people don't there's great games that don't have much like ff15 kingdom hearts Ys Xenoblade tales even dragon quest 11 there is grinding but it doesn't feel tedious that's the main thing
"SMT fans weren't complaining."
This has never been true at any point in time.
They complain about complaining
I bet you're a Trump supporter.
@@the_j_machine2254 you outing in this comment says a lot about you. Everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter
@@jimborimbo4375 yes. I'm a Trump supporter. When my husband and my wife went to the Capitol Hill riots, I kissed them both goodbye, and played Digital Devil Saga.
@@the_j_machine2254 Actually I was at capital hill didn’t see you there. Liar 🤥
Huh, I didn't know Persona branched this far.
I was wondering what happened to the Shin Megami Tensei.
You guys are blaming the wrong culprit my dudes. SMT was killed by Atlus original parent company: Index Corporation. These guys took a lot of debt put it on Atlus and drove them to bankruptcy. That is the reason why Atlus stopped being Atlus, because Atlus is gone.
Then Sega bought the licenses and rebranded their Dream Studio to Atlus and everyone working on SMT and Persona became the P-Studio. And once P5 was released the dude who directed the P games since 3 was rewarded with a new studio: Studio Zero, he took a bunch of veterans from Atlus and is working on his passion project and Full body.
So in conclusion modern Atlus is the Sega Dream studio, because they are a SEGA studio they are not interested on making SMT games, except for the main line games. P Studio is basically there to make Persona and pay the bills. Studio Zero which is what became of og Atlus moved on from the franchise altogether and is making a new IP and full body.
So.... We should be bitching to sega?
@Gmoney 12 wouldnt be the first time for me. XD
kinda cool sega saved them
I'm confused
Does this mean smt games will go down in quality
I know this is an old af video but one of the main reasons I was introduced to SMT was through Persona. Without Persona I wouldn't have ever even known about SMT. So, if anything it's shedding more light onto the SMT franchise. Either way, both series are complete godly franchises, they're really good.
The reason the split is probably......
Aesthetics and brand imaging persona is just more marketable and likable for more people.
And persona is undoubtedly THE atlus franchise because of this. The p4g craze showed them where the biggest fanbase was.
With how long smt5 is taking I think its gonna be pretty big though, since they have definitely not forgotten about it.
We can only hope Shin Megami Tensei V will take off like Persona 5 did. I mean, I hadn't even been seeing JRPG nuts talking about Persona 4 on RUclips or social media or... anywhere for that matter, before the release of Persona 5. The closest I ever saw was a review of Persona 4: The Animation. Heck, I was seeing more people talking about The Legend of Heroes more than Megami Tensei, and in turn, the "Trails" branch more than "Persona".
Atlus milked Persona 4 because their old parent company was taking money them. In otherwords, Atlus made the Persona 4 spinoffs to stay afloat.
Atlus is milking Persona 5 because it put them on the map and they wanna turn it into a crash grab.
Ren Amamiya yeah but Persona 5 is probably the best game ever made
@@theneedforspeeder9575 Theres so much wrong with that comment.
i love persona 5 but never had the urge to play a single one of these p5 spinoffs, i'm actually surprised so many people apparently do buy all these stupid spinoff dance games and whatever else they are.
@@Jack_80 Hey the only P5 spinoff game I'll ever buy is Persona 5 Arena
@@theneedforspeeder9575 and then they ask why people hate P5 fanboys
When are we seeing another SMT game with the "Featuring Dante From The Devil May Cry™ Series!" seal on it?
Would be a brilliant PR move if they slapped a "Fearuring Dante from Devil May Cry V" sticker on SMT 5's cover, lol
@@theazureknight9399 or Nero
Now that they (maybe at some point) bring it to the switch they could feature bayonetta with bayonetta 3 on rhe horizon. Featuring Bayonetta from bayonetta sounds stupid though.
@@jinkisaragi874 featuring bayonetta from the bayonetta series is fine though.
Intenselly LIt you know I wont mind seeing Bayonetta in a SMT or Persona game series..
I wanna say it's a combination of increased development cost with improved tech and the fact the core series has always been niche... But the fact is plenty of SMT fans will play something with SNES graphics because it's SMT.
Hoo boy, that SMT x FE reveal belongs in the top ten anime betrayals bigly. It was so bad I actually repressed that memory.
Core series is only niche over in the west I think
By virtue of being from Japan it's had more exposure, but I would say even in Japan it's still fairly niche. I vaguely recall sales for Strange Journey not being that good even though it was a fantastic addition to the series.
I feel like if they named it fe x persona it would have been more well received, since the persona audience seems more inclined to the idol themes
@@00Boogie I remember a fairly recent poll in Japan (2015, so not that recent) about favorite RPG franchises, and SMT actually beat Persona by a couple dozen votes.
Persona sales in Japan aren't that great, they are definitely good, but I don't think P5 even broke the million units there.
So yeah, I think the difference in popularity I mostly a western thing methinks, sadly, that's is the majority of the market.
I mostly stick exclusively to Persona (1&2 included) for my smt-ish repertoire, and even I was disappointed by that reveal lol. Actual game looks fun though
Could be worse, Silent Hill fans prob wont get another game for a very long time or be a Half-Life fan who have been left on a cliff hanger for almost a decade.
It still hurts.
I may never get revenge on that evil, murderous alien potato.
@@IMISSMYNAME "Valve can't count to 3" has now become "Valve can't develop videogames".
Dang, I miss when Valve just couldn't count to three...
well, valve made one game recently.
it instantly died
Their making a Half-Life VR game
It’s ok,you can say any Konami and Valve fan.(Except Yu-Gi-Oh)
“We didn’t get any games in 2010”
Sad Persona 3 Portable noises*
This is not a game, this is a disaster
@@lemonov3031 the best version of p3? where you can control the whole party? where there is 2 campains? where there is the portability commodity factor that makes you finish the game much faster? P3p has better pacing than p4g, fact.
@@rafaelbruno2128 And cuts half of the game because disc space. Also FES has direct commands mod.
And you must be an idiot if you want to speedrun P3 on your first playthrough.
@@lemonov3031 i didn't say i want to speed run, but i'm certain that i don't want to spend 50h of my life reading trash anime dialogues, so the faster i can get through this part of the game, the better. And half game cut? you mean anime cutscenes? nah i don't really care about them, or if you're talking about the "fes" extra campaing, i don't like that excuse for a re-release either. So p3p was the best version for me, faster, more practical and straight to the point ( also i can hit on boys, oh yeah)
@@rafaelbruno2128 >anime cutscenes
You obviously never played it and just pretending that you did. GTFO, I won't even explain to you how they butchered it because it seems that you are so familiar with eating literal dogshit that you will try to excuse it anyway.
At this point, I don't care how much Persona gets milked. I just want another Devil Survivor game. Mainline would be nice too, but I have a feeling that'll take awhile.
same! devil survivor is one of my favorites along with devil summoner and persona
If you asked me in 2017 when the Switch game was confirmed to be Shin Megami Tensei V, I would have said it's absolutely alive and well. Now though? I'm living my worst fear.
I like Persona, but it's not what drew me to Shin Megami Tensei, and it's certainly not a replacement. Nothing compares to the Press-turn gameplay system, and I much prefer stories with a focus on grey morality and a battle between ideologies that the players themselves have to decide on which alignment is the best.
I keep hearing people say Nocturne's characters aren't as likeable and therefore not as good, but that's missing the point. They're not supposed to be your friends, you're only supposed to empathise with one of them, that being the one whose views and outlook on life best mirror your own. Same with SMT IV, and the Devil Survivor games. They all have great characters who serve their purpose in the games. To want SMT to conform to its own more successful spin-off is ludicrous when, from a quality-of-life standpoint, Persona 5 is STILL missing much-needed improvements that SMT IV and Apocalypse made to the turn-based combat years beforehand (such as the Smirk system rebalancing Mudo and Hama skills), and even then Apocalypse suffers from hokey dialogue and a pathetic alignment system that favours one route above all others.
if, and when we eventually get SMT V, I hope they don't pander to Persona fans. We have enough milktose moe-anime games on the market, and while Persona is generally one of the more respectable examples, it has no place trampling over the unique and still high-tier JRPG series it was born from.
SMTIVA has far worse writing than ANY Persona game, ironically.
@@mrex666productions7 Maybe. But from an SMT point of view it was an interesting change of pace... more Alignments from Neutral route? I'm sold. It was interesting, entertaining and challenging anyway (we want peace, but from taking the control as the new god killing everything else? Or being with my friends building a new world where gods and human can live together accepting each other? It's more difficult to me to decide since I always went just neutral) A typical nekketsu shonen plot, but they didn't kill SMT basis for me. (I also fell in love with the Divine Powers)
I obviously like Strange Journey, Nocturne and IV a lot more... But I think Apocalypse (plot) isn't that bad as everybody put it.
I remember I couldn't help but scream like a fangirl when I saw the 25th Anniversary logo during Switch presentation... I mean, Shin Megami Tensei? The nobody-knows-series I fell in love with, on the screen? For everyone? It was amazing. It was like 3 am and my family was sleeping but...
Bufudyne bro this is just how atlus is. They take their time persona 5 was in dev for a looooooong time too
Definitely will have to agree. SMT has a world that's really unique to it, and while Persona games are still based on the premise of SMT, the style is fundamentally different, which also places Persona as having its own unique world. The grim nature of SMT and its explicitly obvious religious undertones throughout the whole game are just breathtaking and leave me pondering for houuurs.
Honestly, people who dislike the game because they dislike the characters I think are missing the point of the game. Like you said, SMT's characters serve their purpose and they do a great job at it, which is to morally confuse you and present you with conflicting ideas that may or may not conflict with your own, all from a super philosophical standpoint at that.
Though I can't say much since I haven't played Persona yet, I just feel like it doesn't capture the same feeling. If you like the work of Persona go play Persona, Persona 4 and 5 and amazing from what I've seen and have plenty of content to play there (I actually really want to play them since they look amazing in their own right), but what Persona does shouldn't affect what happens in SMT V, it's a whole different beast.
"All they need to do is put the SMT name on Persona 5 Royal."
ATLUS: I'll do you one better
I apologize, but I don't get this joke
@@JamieIsJammed I posted this after SMTV and the Nocturne remaster were announced.
There's only one way to save smt
(Killable) Waifus and fanart
Quick, to the compendium!
Quick Robin! To the Cathedral of Shadows!
"Persona 5" sounds way better than "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 5" as a video game title.
But i like those cool fact i can tell my friend with, like “hey did you know persona 5 is actually shin megami tensei persona 5?”
@@g2ltt733 but Persona is supposed to be Megami Ibunroku.... So is devil survivor... Only devil summoner has the SMT name.
Matthew F. Ooohhh more cool fact, thank anyway
So do you agree "Nocturne" sounds better than "Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne" as a video game title?
@@victuz Why are you comparing a mainline game with a subtitle to a spinoff which had a moniker added simply for sales purposes?
I started with P3P and branched myself with the entire series. I've played almost every english release of the SMT series and I love them.
Now I love Persona as much as the next guy, but this milking with P3-P5 is getting out of hand. No love for P 1 and 2? I know ppl keep defending the claim that "they don't want to disrespect the previous creation."
1. That's a little too late because 3 exists.
And
2. If that was the case, why did they use Igor and not the rest of the Velvet room occupants?
I'm honestly just tired from all this and just hope SMT V doesn't turn into Kawashita again.
the occupants no longer can exist, his job is done. Igor is the representation of philemon. Philemon with igor dont need stay here.
My entry to the series was similar but I started with SMT: P1(PSP)
@@maytizevb Nameless and Belladonna ARE still there, it was confirmed in an interview. Dunno why they don't make them visible though.
@@riu8186 P1 is probably my personal favorite gameplay wise out of 1,2is and 3. It doesn't have as, much extra stuff going on like rumors in p2 or the s.links of 3, but I kinda like that. It's straight forward and very charming stories & characters. 2 onwards are grander and have more going on in their world's, but that's to be expected with sequels.
And anyway, what makes you think ppl just want another rerelease of 1&2? Most ppl, myself included, would be happy with full on remakes with updated graphics and modern battle system. Don't gotta do anything with the stories or characters, their fine as is, just make em prettier (because I've seen ppl avoid these games for the graphics alone, which is a shame since they're rather beautiful and advanced as far as 90's Atlus goes) and give a battle system that modern fans won't pussy out over. Japanese fanbase loves them just fine, so that's hopeful. The only ppl I think that wouldn't interested in seeing 1&2 remade are the ppl that play Persona SPECIFICALLY for the s.links alone. For some reason.
"I started with P3P..."
Noble voice: *_ＦＵＣＫ ＹＯＵ_*
Jackfrost why have you forsaken us!!!???
the sidescroller game on PC was cool, they should expand on that and sell it.
*Hee...*
*HO*
Jack Frost has abandoned ye for his hee hoes.
(That is probably the worst thing I have ever written. I'm sorry.)
11:20 as someone who, at the time had little knowledge of Shin Megami Tensei was but was a hardcore FE fan, i was pissed. Then I did 5 second research into SMT, then I was livid.
What I was lead to expect: it would be a darker fire emblem game with demons.
What I reasonably should have expected: a dark story about demons with a classical medieval setting.
What we got: Idols and magic girls.
At least there's Devil Survivor..
I really like TMS, I'm a sucker for idol girls and jpop over the top madness as much as the next weeb.
But it reeeeeaaaaalllllly shouldn't have been the SMT x FE crossover. I can only dream of a true blend of the fe and smt franchises in characters, tone, and gameplay.
Devil Survivor 2 brought me into the SMT series and because of the SMT logo above it I got into mainline.
I mean, it's pretty obvious that they are ignoring SMT to some extent, as of now. But honestly, how can we really blame them? SMT was never THAT popular in the west. It also doesn't help that there is less of a market for hard games than ever before. I'm not sure I agree with most of the things in this video, however. You realize persona was never even considered a shin megami tensei spinoff in Japan, right? They never put the label on the boxes. The SMT logo was always just a marketing gimmick for western audiences. Also, none of these persona spinoffs were created BY Atlus, they were basically just published by them. I'm not going to argue that the Persona series isn't killing SMT, but the amount of salt in this video just really irked me.
As a guy first game is p5 i want play smt as it looks interesting hard but interesting
sad truth I mean I only know bout SMT because of Persona series which I had followed since I was a child since then had been constantly waiting for release whether theyre spin-offs or not.
(I knew the game through my deceased cousin who introduced me. I thank him everyday for introducing me to the game. Revelations: Persona)
I watch videos here and there to see how similar/different they are and what their storyline/timelines are otherwise I have no idea what SMT is except they share the same Persona demons.
“There is less of a market for hard games than ever before.” My guy, have you been absent from gaming for the past nine years? The success and influence of Dark Souls would spit all over your argument.
@@lloydbagby8355 Eh its gets way easier when you understand the mechanics and just luster candy and trisagion and cheat the compendium to max ur protags skills and go for a only magic build in smt 4 Apocalypse honestly just start with that game and if you need any tips just watch johneawesome and you will understand
@@selamtaa1 thank you
A year later, that "SMT V info soon" was a dirty trick by Atlus West employees.
Well, if you count almost a year and a half as "soon", then it really wasn't a trick. SMT V and SMT 3 Remaster is a relief.
@@googas1 I mean, in the grand scheme of things, a year and a half is not a lot of time. "Soon" might be a little too much, but considering SMT IV was released 10 years after Nocturne, 1.5 years is nothing lol
A big pain when they've announced a Persona 5 spin-off that would have fit Raidou better.
Don't remind me 💔
Raidou isn't coming back. If I remember correctly Atlus got rid of the people who made those games.
@@paizubong477 well Remember that we have former developers attempting successor series like yooka-laylee, bloodstained, gunvolt, blaster master, a hat in time and many others.
those games were alright, i guess.
@@paizubong477 Wasn't Kazuyuki Yamai(who is the current producer for SMT series) previously the director for the Raidou games? Also Kazuma Kaneko was the artist and Shoji Meguro was the composer. So that makes at least 3 key devs who are still at Atlus currently.
I want Raidou to come back TAT
My most favorite game after Persona (if only because I've never got to finish it).
This reminds me of how Assassin’s Creed started as a Prince of Persia spin-off in development, but when it came out it sold so well that it became a huge franchise and Prince of Persia slowed to a crawl and is now practically dead...
I think it's more similar to the Rabbids and Rayman case.
Ah, Prince of Persia.
I miss that series.
From The Prince's sidescrolling antics on the PC, to his legendary exploits on the PlayStation 2, I was there.
@@oscarzxn4067 I used to like the Rabbids in small doses, but came to greatly resent them as time went on. I also feel they contributed to the infantile flanderizing of Rayman's character and lore and why we never got a 3D sequel.
When I looked at Atlus' wiki, I was completely surprised at the fact that they made a Friday the 13th game.
Just so you know. Sega used the SMT name to make a mobile game (SMT: Liberation Dx2).
And the game is a soulless gacha
I admit I like the Devil Summoner vibe, but every character in that thing are Persona rejects
Oh, that abomination. Actually that SMT stand for: SUCK MASAKADO'S TIT, because it's just that one hell of a toxic meta game.
those clichés hurt my soul
I kinda feel a bit bad for the new fans of Persona that came in from P5 because they aren't used to the way Atlus just makes more and more spinoffs of successful games like the fans of P4.
And I agree with more spinoffs for SMT.Or hell make a new IP all together.
The director of Persona 3-5 is working on a brand new IP that will be set in a fantasy world, instead of a real life setting like in SMT and Persona.
Hi im a new Fan who just started Persona 5 and i really like this game.
But theres a thing that confused me, why are Games like Persona spin offs?
For me they look like its their own franchise
@@yoshka1038 It basically is at this point, but early on when Persona was first created it was heavily inspired by Shin Megami Tensei. It's very easy to tell with how different 1 and 2 are compared to 3-5. Persona 3 is where the series really got it's identity and has stuck with that same formula ever since. However, up until Persona 4 Golden, Atlus used the Shin Megami Tensei name in the title for every Persona that came out in order to increase sales due to brand recognition. For instance, when Persona 3 first came out it was titled "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3". After Persona 4 sold so well it no longer had to ride off the SMT name. Nowadays, it's quite the opposite. More people will say demons such as Jack Frost is from Persona instead of Shin Megami Tensei, simply because more people have played Persona.
@@yunarukami4359 Yea, i mean i buyed Persona 5 and was like "Heard this game is lit, and i love smash, so why not".
This game is soooo good, i really like the balancement between the daily life and the phantom thiev life, i kinda love this game, so i was like "Lets get the other Persona games when i complete it, oh wait i heard a while ago its also part of the smt series, i heard its a big boss jrpg franchise like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts, i love these 2 franchises! Lets take a look".
I was looking for a video about smt and saw that did ypu know gaming video.
I was surprised how many spin offs this series had, but when i saw the comments i kinda immediatly began to dislike the smt fanbase.
I was like "Seems like im a weeb waifu faggot fuck face when i like persona, i think its enough reading all this...".
Then i looked for an video about smt 5 coz i heard its not even out, and THEN i found this Video, i kinda understand now the hate Persona gets from smt Fans, i mean wtf.
But this all dont affect what i think about Persona and the comments on the other video, i would definitely try a smt game when i can get one.
But yea, that little journey was interesting, and it was only 3 days long.
(Sry for my english)
@@yoshka1038 Yeah don't worry too much about what the diehard SMT fanbase has to say, at lot of their hostility toward Persona comes from jealousy because of how much more attention it receives in comparison to SMT. And the fact that Atlus has held off on giving SMT a proper main title for almost a decade and a half now. Which I can totally understand. But honestly it all comes down to taste. SMT and Persona are both very different beasts and after fully playing through the entire Persona series and a few SMT games like Nocturne and digital devil saga, I have to say I will always love Persona more because of it's loveable and relatable characters and deep psychological storytelling. So don't let all the negativity get to you. Just because extremists say the new games suck doesn't mean they really do, it just isn't their cup of tea. But if the setting of SMT interests you at all I would highly recommend giving Nocturne a try. I found it to be my personal favorite. As for Persona, you can't go wrong with 3 and 4 if you finish 5 and love it a lot. 3 is my favorite when it comes to the overall message and storyline and 4 has my favorite cast. And by the way, I feel I should welcome you to the Persona community! Sorry you had to have such a bad first impression, but I promise we aren't all like that! I find the Persona 3-5 fanbase in particular much more respectful and welcoming than the SMT community mainly for the reasons I listed above.
The reaction displayed for SMT #FE was the same for Fire Emblem fans too [Speaking as one of them]. Most of the people I knew did not want whatever that was.
i’m still hurt
TSM #FE is a good game by the way.
I would recommend it to any JRPG fan who don't outright hate anime like or idol themed games.
I honestly don't think that Persona has actually killed SMT rather, it pushed SMT to the backburner.
It's easily the most profitable thing Atlus has and they were going through some financial issues in the past that Sega had to save them to keep making games. I'm willing to bet that they have a minimum gross that they have to make, or else they'll be liquidated. I don't know for sure, but I can assume that whatever is causing Atlus' neglect of SMT as a whole is probably business related.
I still don't like how little effort is being put into everything though. It seems like Atlus is trying to maximize profit rather than make complete products, and it makes me mad. Because I want to see better.
It also doesn't help that they refuse to communicate what's going on. Like, they're a big company, why not let us know? It at least allows us to know if something is still in development, rather than waiting and wondering if it was cancelled. It's an ass backwards decision that is really the worst part of it all. I wouldn't care if we at least were told about the development.
Is Atlus a big company? From everything I've heard sound like their at least a medium sized company.
@@aaronpeterson3838 I think they are relatively small. They have relied heavily on other companies publishing their games in the past, especially outside of Japan. I think they also used to do contract work for bigger publishers in the past. I know their previous parent company sold them to Sega due to financial issues.
I always thought this was inevitable. SMT mainline and it’s spinoffs seem to sell a tiny fraction of Persona 3-. I started with Nocturne, then Persona 3. I’ve enjoyed most of the 3/DS entries, but most of them simply aren’t as approachable as Persona. Not happy about it, but this isn’t likely to change. (I know it’s an old video, but I’m here because it was on my mind.)
18:01 well, that aged well...
thought the exact same
Can't wait to see part 2 this video
Featuring Persona 5 Scramble
SMT has been on the backburner ever since they moved to being mainly Nintendo handheld exclusives.
It's clear Atlus believes it's not as marketable as Persona, so it's been relegated to low budget, niche releases.
The question is why isn't as marketable?
Joker in smash soldified persona as atlus's main series.
Lol, Persona is the most profitable series from Atlus, yet, it will never ever be a main series since you can't get back in time and prevent persona 1 from being a spin off lol
@@notaarnav it doesn't matter if Atlas is trying to rebrand Persona as a stand alone franchise. It just isn't because it generated from SMT (which also generated from MT).Heck, even Persona 5 combat system is more SMT than any Persona has been before.
@@notaarnav Persona is the most important success for ATLUS, no one is denying that. I just simply point out that it can't never be a main series due to its origins even if Atlus dropped SMT for good. Also, SMT5 is gonna do amazing. 4 did and the franchise wasnt all that popular outside Japan plus everything on Switch sells as hot cakes for some reason.
@@rober4 The Super Mario games are considered mainline although by this logic they’d need to be spin offs of Donkey Kong. I get where you’re coming from but i consider Persona “mainline” now due to its ability to stand on its own and be its own “mainline” series.
*takes a long drag* let me tell you bout dante from devil may cry
Me; I'm still waiting for Devil Survivor 3, I love those games :(
Amber Valkerie yeah.the survivor series is actually my most preferred game out of the entire franchise. Mostly since I have a massive hard on for turn based tactical games like fire emblem and advance wars.
@BallOfBlood dark souls is not a MegaTen game...
in case it's not obvious, i'm joking.
Same but I don’t think it’s coming
We can only dream.
Most people I know who were introduced by Persona 5 sadly wouldn't be able to beat SMT games/other spin-offs because of their difficulty which does make them inaccessible to them in a way. I myself just barely beat SMT 3 Nocturne and Devil Survivor with blood an tears whilst beating Persona 5 with 0 deaths while I hear some good amount of people saying P5 was moderately difficult.
I still get some random one shot deaths in P5R but it is not that bad, the save rooms is what makes things easy.
@@danielgomez7236 thing easy?without them the game would be impossible
@@darkyagami3503 No problem, save rooms make the game really easy, Persona 3 was hard.
@@danielgomez7236 except palace on persona 5 are bigger you have more bosses,challenges and etc
The only mainline smt game I've played is SJ, but I've played P5 and P5R and I think they're pretty easy personally. The hardest parts are Kamoshidas palace due to lack of resources, the Okumura fight in royal and some of the will seed bosses. Other than that the games really manageable, especially in R with how early you get to buy high level personas and how easy money grinding in Mementos is. It's definitely no Persona 2 IS but I can see how going from P5 to smt can hurt alot.
11:16
Not just you guys, FE fans were also ticked off by this. Mainly those of us who wanted a return to form after the shortcomings of Awakening, and especially after the bollocks that was Fates.
My hope is that SMT on switch will have the same impact P5 had and push the franchise like P5 did for persona.
I feel the same regarding Armored Core and Souls games with From Soft.
If only they're more honest. They're completely legal to milk their popular titles, but that doesn't mean it's ethical on the fans to announce a new title coming but putting another IP's milking on their faces.
You started off pretty chill but now I'm hiding under my bed
You got really mad near the end of the video
LMAO 🤣 true
All i know is the SMTV teaser gets me more hyped than anything else Atlus could do at the moment, barring a Nocturne remaster
I started with Atlus because of P5, yet I still have an extensive knowledge and appreciate the SMT series. There are too many people who I can talk with about Persona, and none of them know about SMT. It pains me.
I learned about Atlus through Disgaea - which was a double-duty to introduce me to NIS, and I tried Nocturne afterwards. Putting it mildly, that game was way too much for me to dive into. I wound up getting Digital Devil Saga on the grounds "Atlus does not release huge batches of physical games" at the time; it very much is a favorite of mine, and I need to go back and . . . get beaten down again by Demifiend. Ahem.
Anyway, I steered away from the Persona series on hearing about how you could legitimately not do everything in one play. Not as "you need to pick a path and see it through" in Nocturne, but "time management is a major factor". I wound up eventually biting the bullet and doing Persona 5 for myself, and don't regret it at all. Probably won't go backwards, since I can see things which were trimmed out of the games in the latest iteration which would royally piss me off to deal with if they were in P5 (reversed social links, like . . . no, no no no no).
Atlus produces a lot of games outside of these, though, distributes more - and they get less attention. I feel that is more of something to lament than "The Shin Megami Tensei branding's been lost from the spinoffs". I mean, I was around when the first Mana game was hacked into a "Final Fantasy" title by Squaresoft - I'd much rather different series not be branded to grab peoples' attention. In this case, that'd mean I'd prefer Persona to just be its own line and remain distinct.
. . . now if you don't mind, I need to lament how the Quintet/Enix series was a goddamn mess from "Soul Blazer" to "Terranigma".
@@kereminde from what i've heard you actually can do everything in a single playthrough of p5 but you have to do everything just right, which is pretty much impossible without following a thorough guide.
I started with P3P but couldn't get into it at all i liked some aspects though and the box title “Shin megami tensei persona 3“ made me look up wth SMT is and i fell in love with SMT 2 and 3 afterwards by now i played most games and spin offs and even managed to get into and like Persona 1, both P2 games and P5. Don't know what it was but P3 and 4 never managed to keep me interested.
@@jinkisaragi874 i got hooked on p4 almost as much as 5 and also got pretty into 3, just not as much as 4 or 5. never played 1 or 2 but from everything i've seen and heard i'm surprised you could get into them and not 3 or 4. if you didn't get far into 3 or 4 i'd give them another chance.
@@Jack_80 I really liked combat in 1 and 2 and 2 especially had very interesting characters and story imo. Only played them on a emulator so speed up options and quicksaves definitly made them better and are a big reason that somethings didn't pissed me off. I tried to replay P4 with golden on a vita a friend gave me and P3 with the FES version since a lot of people said it is the better version . I stoped P4 after naoto joined the party because i forced myself through it and didn't had any fun so far ( took me like 3 weeks to get to this point because i had a hard time playing it for longer periods). And i don't even remember how far i made it into P3 i think a bit after the love hotel dungeon. I just can't get into them, don't know why exactly, P4 music is pretty fucking awesome and i even have the full OST on my phone and P3 made me look up all that stuff and i found my favourite franchise that way so i'm still glad that i tried these 2.
As a guy, who played all the Persona games, i would love to see an actual Shin megemi tensei game, yknow, not persona.
I loved smt 4 and 5. Recommend strange journey.
You should play digital devil saga! Or Raidou Kuzunoha
All i just hope that SMT 5:
1. Doesn’t not get canceled.
2. Be worth the wait and lives up to everyone’s expectations.
Doesn't not? Double negative.
I am actually worried about this. Nocturne was awsome and then 4 was just good... I was really pissed with them using 2D sprites on a 3D game...
Would be my frist SMT becouse i my 3ds is dead and i dont have any ps console and i dont have a emulator i only play P3 and become my 2d favorite game
I'm more worried on how it's going to sell, it's on a Nintendo console and like 95% of people who own a Switch only buy Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing and Zelda games and won't give SMT a glance so very likely sales are going to be very very low
@@kierenbuckley370 thats when you are wrong KIDOO peopple buy switch for to many reasons those are only the steriotipe and principal games
To me, a lot of this video is from the point of view of the western consumer.
In Japan, Persona has NEVER carried the SMT moniker. It was simply added here in the west to capitalize on an existing trademark.
The point when the real shift happened with Persona was around 2012 to 2013, which was the point when ATLUS's parent company declared bankruptcy, leaving the company dead in the water to struggle on their own. Projects like SMT x Fire Emblem changed focus to appeal to idol culture as it was popular in Japan at the time, and SMTIV had the White ending added, which created a finality to the series in case they really did go belly-up. SEGA only finalized its ownership of ATLUS in 2016, and until then ATLUS milked their most popular game, Persona 4, for as much cash as possible so they could survive.
Now, I'm hoping that ATLUS is back on its feet with the massive influx of money brought by Persona 5, but I really have no idea what their financial situation has been, or currently is.
I just want Shin Megami Tensei V.
I don't see how the white ending has anything to do with the "finality" of the series. You say that like all the games take place in the same universe and it has an ongoing story.
If I gotta be honest, I'm new to both series, and haven't played any of the games yet. So when I saw the next SMT, it made me super interested in what the franchise is all about. Whenever I ask about it, I keep getting recommended to the Persona franchise since it's a spin off. For me, Persona 5 blew up too much to lose my attention. It's all over the place. Every youtuber plays it, and every streamer streams it. I do want to see Persona 3 stuff though, but that's another story. Point is if I was an SMT fan, I would be just as ruffled waiting for the next installment, when their spin off has 20, and a character immortalized in Smash. Not saying persona 5 is bad tho. It's great, buuuut I wanna see more SMT V to catch as much interest as well.
Pioxys >haven't played any of the games yet
>it's great
Eh?
@@JayAreAitch You can really tell they learnt of the series through Persona 5.
People don't really play Persona 3 because there's no PC release yet unlike with P4 Golden.
Wish they'd do that soon and fix all the problems with it like how they made fusion spells into meh items in P3P that you have to buy instead of doing a great strategy that uses specific persona's for specific spells and add along FeMC. as a programmer I know it'll be a huge Hassel tho but considering how large of a fanbase Persona 4 and 5 gathered that also checked Persona 3 along with the fact that alot of people who played it considered it a favorite despite playing the P5 and P4 first. the moment it hits PC it will gather profits for sure. unless they're doing a remaster they already have models from the P3 Dancing all night Spin-off.. In which case Hell fucking yeah.
@@animesenpai1163 yea
I’m just waiting for the next Ridou Kuzunoha game.
#foreverwaiting
Poor soul...
Me too
The thing is, scramble would've been perfect for Raidou
Well, you now have it but at the same time no
I remember seeing the news from last year where SMT V sales number finally hit 1 million copy , while P5R hit 3.3 millions copy .
First Fire Emblem Awakening and now Persona 5, I guess I have bad luck getting into a franchise that becomes controversial.
@Nyarly well, there is ONE app game called Shin Megami Tensei: Liberation Dx2..... i really think that is where they are throwing the franchise now.
an issue also worth mentioning is that games are getting more and more expensive to produce. For a smaller studio like Atlus, Persona was the safest bet since Persona 4 was the best selling game in the company's history at the time. This is why we've gotten nothing but handheld games for the mainline/non-persona spinoffs. They cost less to make, so they're safer bets. I'm just gonna ignore the whole argument of how Atlus treats Persona vs how it treats SMT, because its a puddle I'm not step in yet. I'm just gonna say one thing: SMT V is so important because its the first full 3D entry in the series since Nocturne, and the first one in HD. We know that Atlus wants to give us more info on it (i think it was one of their focuses for this year alongside Cathering Full Body, but don't quote me one that. I think it was just on their holiday card or something. I can't quite remember) but the fact SMT V exists is enough to give me hope. Atlus should try and be more experimental for sure in the near future, but they did give us Dx2 here in the West, which was fun enough, and it feels like their trying to create a buffer so they can be more experimental. I think it's safe to say SMT is the still the passion of the company, they just have to be smart and release Persona games to maintain the costs to keep that passion alive
LEGOdawg2001 It’s safe to say that money isn’t a problem to then now...don’t forget that Sega bought them
Considering persona 5 outsold a lot of the smt games by a loooong stretch, it's not surprising at all
It worth noting that the reason Atlus made so many spinoffs/side-games for the franchise back in the 90s and the PS2 era is because of the lower cost for game develoment back then, and SMT _was more popular_ in Japan back then(since that was before the blowout success of Pokemon and FF7), which is why they decided to go all out with their franchise at that time.
Now after PS3/Xbox360 era, game development costs increased A TON, and that was the primary reason Atlus never made a single MegaTen RPG on HD consoles. They were still a small japanese company and could never afford to do it, and instead choose to develop for PS2 even late in it's lifecycle(same goes for DS, 3DS, PSP, PS Vita).
And they really can't risk making anymore SMT spinoffs on consoles currently, because they know most SMT fans who own modern consoles would prefer a mainline game with decent-great graphics, over yet another spinoff. Besides, the're already more spinoffs then the're main SMT and Persona games combined. and really that's why they went with SMT5. They basically chose to give the fans the best thing they could afford to do.
However I personally think maybe, JUST MAYBE. if SMT5 sells well, Atlus could go back to making MegaTen games in general by reusing all the assets they made for demons in SMT5 and taking advantage of Unreal engine to develop those games in lesser time and more efficiently(exactly how they did in the PS2 era after they finished Nocturne). Though that depends if the SMT dev team wants to continue making MegaTen games all their lives, or just make fresh new games like Studio Zero with Project Re Fantasy.
EDIT: Pardon my bad English. I was typing very fast there.
I personally think that Project Re Fantasy has a place in that debate as well. If a completly new game from ATLUS reach Persona 5 levels of fame, SEGA would inject more money into the company as a whole and they could afford to try to make HD sequels do Devil Summoner and the other series that time killed
@IT IS A HUGE SCORPION WITH EVIL SOUL >Project re fanatsy is only being made because hashino made persona popular so they green light his personal project.
How do you know that though? Do you work for Atlus?
I did some research about it to check if you're right or not. What I found was that Atlus said back in 2017 that they were planning to open a new studio to make new IPs. which turned out to be this Studio Zero. Apparently they are working two projects simultaneously, one of them is completely unknown while the other is Re Fantasy. Atlus president said in a Famitsu interview that they entrusted the studio to Katsura Hashino specifically because they didn't have anyone free to do the job(It was when he finished work on P5 at the time), also because he was one of the most trusted developers for them. That's pretty much all there is to it.
As for Kazuma Kaneko. Why would he even get to make his own game project? Can he? As far as I know he was mainly an artist for Atlus, not a veteran game designer. He didn't even create the Megaten series himself, he worked on it for 25 years but that's it. Also apparently, he's became a top manager at Atlus. which is why he's not the artist for SMT anymore.
The reason I think as to why it has been so rarely discussed nowadays is simply cause things have been so quiet on the SMT front. Since, what have we gotten since Persona's rise to power? One game on the 3ds and it's sequel (a sequel I don't consider canon btw) that where somewhat low budget where series creators only took a back seat role, that sorry excuse of a crossover on the Wii U, a remake of a rather under the radar title, and practically nothing since SMTV was teased.
Either that or fans have simply left after that mess that was Apocalypse.
Also, that record needle scratch was a nice touch.
The thing I'm really pissed off about is how atlus ignores the hell out of persona 1 and 2. I love both those games so much and the most representation they get nowadays is a dlc costume or smthn. Like when atlus put persona songs on spotify, they didn't put any from persona 1 on there
SMT BACK BABYYYYYY AND WE GETTING DEMIBOI AS WELL. TIME TO *Dragon's eye makakaja makakaja makakaja makakaja megididolaon*
"Last turn finally..."
*BEAST EYE*
Of course Persona got more popular than rest of SMT franchise considering the fact, that only Persona got distributed outside Japan. I mean, original SMT games got official english translation on IOS. They never re-released those games in english, so no suprise many people don't know them. Everything else is just the case of - if new formula works, let's go on with it. Persona 3 and 4 were huge success not only in Japan, but outside as well. Atlus finally distributed more games from SMT made after that. Naturally that they tried to make them look like Persona series, the one that cought everyone's attention.
If anything is responsible for this "death" of SMT, is Atlus itself for not allowing us experience previous entries in the series.
True im European, and just i want buy original SMT 1, 2, IF trilogy, but those games was never localised/remastered in West. So its only way to pirate them and use fan translation patch. If Sony didnt say ,,no'' to localisation first Devil Summoner on PSX, Persona Revelations propably will be not first spin-off SMT localised in West. Who knows, maybe Devil Summoner today will be more popular than Persona. Second, all main Persona games was released on popular platform - Playstation, most of SMT games on niche consoles in West like SNES, Saturn, DS, 3DS (except 3 PS2 games). Thats only one reason why Persona now is more popular than SMT (second is popular highschool setting, dating sim, waifus and anime tropes). Maybe ATLUS redeem sins and in future finaly rerelease older SMT games on Steam.
I’m glad that you could look back at this video knowing that SMT III is being remastered for a new generation of audiences and speaking from personal experience, playing Persona actually got me interested in SMT franchise and is probably the main reason I subscribed to your channel
I'm a new fan of Persona and I'm glad theres a decent amount of games for me to start with (I'm playing Persona 1 on psp right now) but I am excited to get into SMT. Gonna start with the SNES version if I can.
Cheekyzoombies oh Jesus I heard terrible things about that one. Not that it’s a bad game at all but I heard it’s hell from other fans but have fun though
@@smartstuf1026 oh because some of them probably being a dumbass like me picking maniac mode :v
The problem is that i feel like SMT and persona have drastically different gameplay loops.
In persona, the sim elements are such an integral part of the game that it can sometimes feel like the combat is more of a side thing.
In all Social / Dating Sims it's like that (less focus on gameplay, more focus on interactions with characters). The only one Social / Dating Sim game with decent focus on combat i know it's ... Langrisser 3-5 from 1996-1998 on Sega Saturn, and those excellent games were made by ... SMT Devil Survivor developers (Career Soft).
Just played Persona 5, basically my first introduction to any of the games developped by Atlus, and I am ready to get to know more about these two franchises! Thanks for explaining all this, it's quite helpful for new peeps like me :)
So sad right now, just want my man Raido Kuzunoha to return.
SMT is such a fucking amazing series, it honestly hurts to see it being neglected in exchange for more Persona spinoffs, just to get money following the anime trend.
Playing Persona 5, I started to appreciate the features of mainline SMT, like demon negotiations and the focus on fusing new demons.
But it's almost like the everyday life parts provide good breathers inbetween the cruel RPG gameplay...
Yeah, maybe I'll appreciate the lack of dating-sim aspects when I get older.
persona is the little brother who got taller than you
Persona 3 made me have feels
Persona 5 broke me
Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 will always be memorable for me
I don't think it's elitist to be upset with Atlus as a company for the way they've been treating a series that, while not their most popular or profitable still has a pretty sizable following. (Granted we finally have a release date for SMT V) Your feelings and those of many SMT fans on that matter make sense.
What crosses into elitism is when SMT fans start giving Persona fans shit just because they like...enjoy playing a game? "Oh you like Persona 5? Psssh, go play a REAL SMT game." Like it's not a crime to enjoy something for the love of god. As a fan of both series, SMT just isn't for everyone, it's much more difficult and unforgiving, and generally less character driven. That shit just isn't what everyone looks for in a JRPG and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! It's quite frankly just rude and jaded to act that way when what you're really mad about is how your series has been thrown on the back burner. That's not the fault of someone just having a good time with a video game they like, it's the fault of a company who's shown their main drive to be whatever can be their biggest cash cow whether it makes all sections of the fanbase happy or not.
As a Persona fan, I found this video incredibly helpful. I'm in love with 5, and vuagely heard about SMT here and there. With more info on SMT 5, I was curious to get into the series after I finish 5. I didn't realize any of this was an issue, and I'm glad I found your video giving your opinion on the topic.
Oh please. You think this is a betrayal, cause a company does what companies do and focus on what gives them success and not what always pleases its customers?
Try being a fan of something like Advance wars, whose been eclipsed by one of those series you mentioned, Fire Emblem. Or how Mega man fans only recently got a mega man game, and how Mega man legends fans got shafted by Capcom and blamed it on the fans or, and this is rich, released a Darkstalkers compilation that was successful but deemed "not successful enough" and thus any plans for a sequel canned. Or how Star Fox can't be allowed to move out of the shadow of the 64 title and became infamous for being a conspiracy theory that Nintendo dumped it on Rare as revenge for leaving them. And dont even get me started on what being a Beserk fan is like.
The series isn't dead, its just currently not as profitable as this one and of course what is making lots of money is going to get it. The nonenglish voice dub is a pragmatic decision for Persona Q2 and Deep Strange Journey. Persona Q2 has a massive cast and dubbing them all would take alot of time and money, with the latter DSJ having not been super successful to begin with in its original form. Besides, English text. Plus it probably helps that unlike the SMT where the concept and how demons and such works changes between games while in Persona its pretty consistent.
Minor correction, Kyuukaku isn't a spin-off, it is just the original Megami Tensei (before the "Shin" part, since you know these were loosely based on the original books) games packaged together as a re-release.