When John Milton wrote Paradise Lost his aim was to 'justify the ways of God to man', Justin Welby and the woke crowd have the opposite ambition, ie 'to justify the ways of Man to god'
Rev Dan are you COE? I been saying to my pastor I’m unable to stay with COE if we don’t split. Many are set to walk away but we are waiting to see what happens. We can no longer consider those liberal woke Christians and bishops as genuine. Mathew 18:15-17 says we must break fellowship
I am 78 and been a church goer from the age of 10. I stopped attending after Covid because I had so many questions but when I tried to talk about my questions all I got was “not now dear”. I still have my faith but prefer to pray at home.
I feel disgust at the path the C of E is taking. Change is frightening but I have been looking at joining a different denomination. Like yourself I have wanted to talk about my concerns and explore my faith in the teachings within the bible. Met with silence.so pray for guidance at home.
I grew up in the episcopal church, and my whole family background is with the church of England. My great great great grandfather Baptized, Queen, Victoria. my grandfather was an Anglican minister from Canada . I also have an ancestor who was Archbishop Stephen Langton, during the reign of king, John, and helped with the Magna Carta. All of my great ancestors are spinning in their graves if they could see the church of England now! I left the episcopal church and now I’m a member of an Anglo Catholic Parish in Portland Oregon Very upset to see the archbishop of Canterbury make those comments!
I think it is helpful to consider that we should not want a flag to represent our sin. The problem is that the wolves are in the church talking about why we should view others as being their sin identity… progressivism stands against repentance.
Thanks very much Reverend Dan. The extraordinary pains which you are going through in respect of Justin Welby have their counterpart in Catholics like me struggling with Pope Francis. Look at his words in Singaore on Friday 13th Sept 2024. All religions are paths to God....er, does that include Voodoo and Scientology? Friday 13th really is unlucky. The Popesplainers have twisted themselves into corkscrews trying to explain this one. Having seen your earlier podcast on Justin Welby on "The rest is politics" and compared your excerpt with the full length program, it was fascinating to see the contrast in the comments. Your podcast was headed "Should Justin Welby resign". Just about every horrified commentator was giving him a massive thumbs down. "Go, go, go" and "Yes, yes, yes". On the full length version some commentators were similary dismissive. But most seemed impressed with Justin as an honest man with a colourful and difficult life who had seriously struggled with serious questions. I just remembered Alastair Campbell's most famous words: "We don't do God". He is still an agnostic, but he plainly realises how enthralling the God question is.
I struggled to understand if you were sympathetic or not....to Welby, Perhaps this is the problem with us Christians...we can lack clarity in our attempt to be understanding and 'nice'. I'm increasingly convicted that we have to be sure of our foundations. Good foundations give us a footing to push back on the gates of hell. Our culture is increasingly confused/lost...What can a confused church offer a confused world.
I was sypathetic to Justin Welby because he is in a totally impossible position trying to be a politician and keep the Anglican communion together. But it is impossible to reconcile two radically imcompatible viewpoints and it massively damages the credibility of any Church when two clergymen are visibly contradicting each other. And, even worse, visibly contradicting what was long estabished Christian teaching. So I very much regret that he has not resigned with a suitably honest and forceful statement and then proceeded to preach Bibical truth as a free man. As I have had more than enough virulent abuse from fellow Catholics every time I criticise the idiocies of Pope Francis, I can understand a litte of what Justin is enduring.
@@williammurphy3766 Hi William...Yes perhaps Welby faces an impossible Job...The rot had set in well before Welby. But the essence of a good leader is to lead...And to lead in a singular direction. Sadly Welby has led the church into deeper confusion and division. Turns out that a broad church comes to grief on a narrow road. Welby's solution...was to steer the wide load down a wide road....A wide road that leads to destruction.
At 20:36 it was far easier for us here in the USA because many churches hung a banner saying "Anglican" on their sign which covered up the word "Episcopal".
Paula White was on Trump's national faith advisory board. The biggest issue i have with her is her endorsement of Mother Moon (of the Moonies cult). White has twice attended her eccemenical event (once as keynote speaker) representing all of Christianity. (Mother Moon's late husband once crowned himself as the Messiah in a lavish ceremony, while Moon calls herslef The Holy Spirit). In the presence of Paula White Mother Moon called has herself "the only begotten daughter" and said that the pusrpsoe of humanity was "to come under heavenly parents" (something Jesus failed at because he didn't marry). Rather than leave, or publically object Paula White bowed to Mother Moon and gave her flowers. To whoever asked about Paula White, please mark and avoid her.
I agree that this is troubling....but on closer examination I'm wondering if this is as bad as it looks. The event that you point to was broadly about uniting CHRISTIAN movements. This raises many questions.... Is Christian unity something to aim for? What theological differences can we accept/where do we draw the line? Which so called Christian' movements are NO WAY Christian? Before rushing to judgement on White...I'd like to hear why she was at this conference in Korea...and to get a little more context.
Interesting question about 'how do you know' - exactly! I was at HTB for some time and began to be concerned, their website, although very pretty with a lot of bells and whistles doesn't have a statement of faith anywhere. I eventually discovered they are in the Alliance but only by finding that by chance on Google. Even so, there is no direct reference to anything pertaining to gay marriage, abortion etc in the church notices or service. It's like they are 'against' those things but don't want to actually say so in case they offend anyone or (more importantly) lose people. I no longer attend and have found a wonderful online church (Hope Church - St Jude and St James) where they aren't afraid to nail their colours to the mast.
We got our Apostolic Succession from Gregory the Great, and we have the AV Bible, the Prayer Book 1662/1928, and the 39 Articles, so we don't have to worry what Welby or Francis are saying or doing.
Whatever you bind is accepted in heaven? Such that Francis has to follow your teachings? A real Church is in sync with heaven, it's not the one you attend.
@jamessheffield4173 How does it negate the promise of a Church on Peter which will never fail and you should be able to attend today? Is verse 23 the reason you don't attend the Church Christ built?😂
Hi Dan, what you said about the Christian life being hard, I experienced after responding to the gospel, I felt scared as I realised what being a disciple meant, like I hadn't read the 'small print'. Anglicanism in its purist form is so strong theologically and liturgically but somehow our discipleship is quite shallow so often. I'd come to your event.
I too have left the CofE and attend an evangelical church where the Pastor and Elders believe in scripture. I am appalled by what Mr Welby has said - almost every day I get a new confirmation that leaving (after 57 years, and 37 years as a Reader) was necessary, maybe essential. Graham Reardon
Lots of Demons trying to destroy the church we had this person at Sunday service a special quiet time was called for but he was up & about all over the place, & got a awful response when I spoke to him,i know he's no well but this is more..somthing more has to be done. God Bless. ❤
Keep the Faith, stay on the vine. God is purifying his church. If we suffer with Christ we will rise with Christ, and there’s nothing more beautiful than that. God Bless you 🙏✝️
The C of E is dying because it is not preaching & living the Gospel. Do that & you abide in Christ & He in you - this keeps you on the vine. Live for Christ not the world; Christ is life, the world is death. I personally am a Catholic & believe in the one holy, Catholic & apostolic church. Different people make different choices but the bare minimum is to preach & live the Gospel; avoid the ways of the world with its ideologies, gender or otherwise. The Vine is being powered by God not the world. I hope this helps 🙏😊
@@markgriffiths5289 Thanks for the clarification. I think we broadly agree.....although there is perhaps an unintended contradiction in your comment? As a Christian of 60 years...i too am confident that God only has one church. We the members of that church are of many nations...cultures, etc. Even our theologies don't completely line up. But Gods church transcends all of our many differences. So...Catholic might mean universal...But to many it has a paradoxical and opposite meaning...It might mean roman Catholic...and is anything but embracing of the many other manifestations and cultures of Christian faith. In other words it can for many be exclusive and narrow...excluding people like me perhaps?
@@IssacharGR I am a Roman Catholic & believe in the true magisterium of the church. Living the Faith is difficult especially in our relativistic world. A stand must be made however, even to the point of martyrdom. The church thrives on the blood of the martyrs. Accepting the world is watering down the Truth and Jesus warns us of being Luke warm. God knows what is in peoples hearts & he is merciful. But remember, the first thing Jesus said when he started his ministry was “Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand.” There IS an objective truth. This is an uncomfortable thing for our modern world to accept. We are in a spiritual war & many people don’t believe in the supernatural power of God. The Sacraments are supernatural, prayer is supernatural, chastisements are supernatural. The demons will not be defeated unless we are strong in our Faith. Christianity is under attack & it’s only going to get worse. We must come together & be strong. Different Christian traditions don’t always get on but we need to come together & unite against the rise of the new paganism. But there is hope. St. Padre Pio is known for saying, “Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer”.
I think having a day to come visit you and meet a like minded community would be a excellent idea. Im originally from the UK but now live in Australia so unfortunately wouldn't be able to make it but If you could You tube the event that would be perfect.
Dan: death is an awkward subject. My parents had five children, of whom I am their firstborn. The middle one, a boy, called Noel (birthday 25th December) was killed, aged 14, in 1969, in a fall from a south-coast cliff, where he was trying to reach a gull's egg, to add to his collection. Noel defined what it was to be 'cool'; and his loss had a devastating effect on our family. Then, in 1986, two of my closest friends died (one in my car, from a heart-attack, as I was driving down the Fulham Road, to get to his partner of twenty years, dying from AIDS in the, then, St Stephen's Hospital). Dying within thirty hours of one another, I was left as Executor: and it was not a good time; although I did get to meet the lovely Jacqueline Bissett, who lived in their apartment block. Their loss, and my encounters with Nurses over several months, led me to quit my job, and return to university to become a Nurse. One thing of which we need to be careful is that we never 'own' another person: such that their loss drags us into the depths of despair. To have loved another, and to have had the privilege of being loved by another, involves us in 'acts-of-will' and commitment: and to have experienced true human love (not possessiveness) is one of the greatest gifts: although the Church teaches that same-sex-attracted coupkles must eschew it. One of your commentars [11:30] claims that Justin Welby "panders to the secular world too much". Unfortunately, the 'secular' world is now more humane, in its official 'doctrine', than is the Church of Jesus of Nazareth: and that serves to show just how far the Church-of-Clergy has strayed from the young male human being, and Jew, we find in the Gospels. It is the 'secular' world which has provided my beloved partner and me with a Civil Partnership, after forty years of shared life: not the Church! TheChurch-of-Clergy is highly selective of Jesus' teachings which it will accept, and those it will not: and, if his teachings are lacking, then it can always turn to Paul of Tarsus to correct the matter. Pelagianism is the 'heresy' which claims we can so imitate Jesus of Nazareth in the doing of good deeds that we can 'earn' salvation: and you come perilously close to this in your own teachings on abstinence in sex (in the case of others, of course). Does it never occur to Welby-bashers, that in his championing of 'LIVING IN LOVE AND FAITH' (which the 'Rev' Brett Murphy, charitably, refers to as 'Living in LUST and Faith') the Spirit of God may be speaking through him? If your judgment (that God cannot be speaking through him, because that would be to contradict 1 Cor 6:9ff etc), then it is your own Doctrine of Scripture which is at fault here. You are venerating and reading our scriptures like a Muslim with his Koran! At 23:00 you ask, "How do you know a church is 'orthodox'?" Would that question have, even, occurred in the mind of the Jews who decided that Jesus of Nazareth was their awaited Messiah? In this belief, they were 'heretical Jews'. The tragedy is that Christian 'orthodoxy' developed in parallel with Jewish 'orthodoxy': so that each became mutually exclusive over around three hundred years. 'Orthodoxy' is about power and control: and it sidelines any of the fundamental questions which need to be asked. "How and why did those 'unorthodox Jews' conclude Jesus was their awaited Messiah: their Christos?" We are about to enter that time of year when we will hear a lot from Isaiah and Daniel: and therein lies the key to their thinking. At 37:00 you tackle the Pharisaism of the Church: pointing out the sins of others, whilst not speaking of one's own sins. Enough rambling.....
Rev Dan, thanks for that. I wouldn't drink even tea infront of the cameras like that with such huge audience. On a separate note, I am not sure the focus should be on Justin Welby, but the CoE needs to retrace her footsteps back to sound doctrine. I read elsewhere that bishop of Leeds has issues with Lord's prayer for starting with "Our Father..". Justin Welby started well and was a breadth of fresh air compared to his predecesors but the political office has taken its toll.
A broad church comes to grief on a narrow road. Welby's solution...was to steer the wide load down a wide road....A wide road that leads to destruction.
It’s not foolproof by any means, but there is a indicator on A Church Near You that the church has PLF amongst its offerings, also a loo and baby change…
In the past two thousand years we have had Popes who have falllen short of Christ's teaching. The Church is still here, warts and all. Ask yourself why. Jesus chose twelve Apostles - one let Him down.
Not wanting to be pedantic....You can't leave the church if you are a part of Gods church....YOU ARE THE CHURCH. Perhaps we are all a little institutionalized...which LIMITS our understanding of who we are...and how we can be church.
You know no-one really wants to talk about Justin Welby. We just wish he and the rest of the revisionist and progressive apostates would just leave, so we can get on with the gospel centred stuff. But hey we have to I suppose.
No one in our congregation wants to talk about the so-called PLF… I have been called a bully for raising awkward questions… new to this congregation, I was confused by the silence on this hot topic… after all, we are supposed to have been getting used to discussing these matters over the last few years… but in my neck of the woods (Norfolk) no one is being encouraged to engage in open prayerful dialogue. I asked the Diocesan rep if she would raise this silence as an issue at the next Diocesan Synod. She became irate and complained about me to our (self-proclaimed Inclusive) vicar… she said she might have found me threatening!! Vicar phoned my husband and I to say she ‘Was watching us!’ And not in a good way. She said that what she meant was that our behaviour could be construed as bullying. Vicar refused to discuss the so-called Prayers of Love and Faith with us. She had already said to us in private that she would want to officiate ive the marriage of same sex couples as soon as she could. For a while I stopped taking part in the Eucharist but then heard God say to me that it was OK for me to take communion from this woman’s hands… it was at the end of that service that this vicar revealed that she was taking early retirement on medical grounds. I believe God was moving her out of that position of authority… for our good and also to protect her from the huge sin of leading people astray. We moved to this village because we felt God’s calling to be a Christian witness in the community we live in… we just hadn’t realised that that witness would first be to the ‘Church’ itself!
@@kathrynvessey4659 Join your PCC. you would be amazed how one person speaking truth can have an immense effect especially in an environment where there is little discussion - it shines light into dark places.
Yes seems the CofE has lost its way....With a leader that is compromised, and confused. Eli And His Sons Were Guilty Of Blasphemy They knew the truth but had compromised it. This is the sin that Eli had passed on to his sons. It was the sin of twisting God's word which is blasphemy.
Do you want to live an interpretation of medieval Christianity or look at the true Bible and live it. Their are countries that follow their interpretation of God's laws, and leaders dictate and abuse their citizens. On the other side, you can be so liberal that the word is just a guide line. Neither go to the left or right, but look ahead at God who will guide you. The symbolism of the Hebrew language is very important and those that read the phonetic top line of the text can end up being dictators. The original text of Deutoronomy was written in proto Hebrew and had no punctuation. This meant you saw the text as a whole. Letters are words and concepts derived from the Egyptian Hieroglyphs. So their is a concept in the letter that is part of the concept of the word within the concept of the verse and the book within Torah. Hence, a simple translation of Deutoronomy is not possible. You argue over what is not explained. Dan. Have you ever explained in detail why God does not want same sex marriage within the context of the Torah? You can not say I have blind faith that God's word in the Torah is translated correctly into king James bible. So, can you support your argument that same sex marriage is wrong? Are you waving a banner and not know what is written on it? I know you will not answer. People have to know what to fight for. The church, which includes you, are not explaining. Jesus cleared the eyes of the blind. You say you live in Christ. Clear the eyes of the people so that they can see the truth.
Perhaps i can to some extent speak for Dan...or at least advocate a Biblical view. Often at the root of deception is the twisting of meaning. Or the assertion that something else was said...or meant. As a Christian of 60 years and 40 years in international Christian publishing...I could lay out a long list of Biblical statements that challenge your thinking.. But it seems you have rejected much of that already. So i ask do you ever hear the holy spirit...have you received that indwelling voice of revelation. I suspect yours is an intellectual faith...religious rather than relational. I suspect that you have difficulty discerning what levels of deviance/perversion is acceptable? (Abortion?, Sodomy, even .Minor attraction' I suspect that you inner holy spirit moral compass is infected with liberal woke confusion. Here are just two clear Biblical revelations that don't sit well with liberal thinking.... For example...The Bible tells us that marriage is between a man and a woman....and for the nurturing of Children. For example - The Bible tells us that we are unique human beings...Known by God....when we were in the womb. (not potential humans) Do you easily accept these Biblical revelations?
My response is this. Your perception of me is incorrect. The point of the discussion. If you do not understand the text or discuss it openly, you cannot make a law. I look to understand. Caine only looked to himself and built a city inwhich he could hide his thoughts. It had a perimeter wall that hid and defended was built and maintained within. When the descendents of Jacob gathered on the other side of the Jordan, they were attacked by the kings who came out of their cities and revealed themselves. Jericho had its walls demolished so that it's inner thought was revealed. Good thought butt's up against self thought in battle. Spiritually, we are thought concepts arguing about good and evil or God and self. In the separation, all life came from God through Eve and Adam. All thought was passed down through the generations. We learn from those who begat us and store the information which we use as a reference. A man a thousand years ago would not perceive God in the same way due to the knowledge he was given. External experience is based on the framework of mans knowledge. Do you speak to God as Moses did and recieve a reply? My relationship with God is of love because my soul comes from God. My body and mind was made here. This is the knowledge of God and self, good and evil. Here, the body is male or female. In a higher reality, this is mearly a concept because the union of two bodies in Heaven is not required to generate thought. The only thing that I find shocking is the poor translation of the text. It is better to be open in thought than closed. I encourage Dan to explain the text In detail so that a better understanding can make a better argument. What would Jesus say.
This man mumbles on on on about what ? I'm still none the wiser. 1.5 hours of ji he goes off on a tangent on a tangent. Repeats >> repeats >> and awful long drawn in breaths. Awful podcast.
Sadly many within traditional religious frameworks/denominations become a little institutionalized. Institutional religion is strangling the revelation of God. I think Dan is a 'Christian brother ' but perhaps (even he is) trying to prop up forms of thought and religion that have become the problem...not the answer.
When John Milton wrote Paradise Lost his aim was to 'justify the ways of God to man', Justin Welby and the woke crowd have the opposite ambition, ie 'to justify the ways of Man to god'
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Feel free to start your own Church and do better.
I have left the C of E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church. ✝️
@@Raymond-w5i
How many churches do you have to choose from?
Rev Dan are you COE? I been saying to my pastor I’m unable to stay with COE if we don’t split. Many are set to walk away but we are waiting to see what happens. We can no longer consider those liberal woke Christians and bishops as genuine. Mathew 18:15-17 says we must break fellowship
I am 78 and been a church goer from the age of 10. I stopped attending after Covid because I had so many questions but when I tried to talk about my questions all I got was “not now dear”. I still have my faith but prefer to pray at home.
I feel disgust at the path the C of E is taking. Change is frightening but I have been looking at joining a different denomination. Like yourself I have wanted to talk about my concerns and explore my faith in the teachings within the bible. Met with silence.so pray for guidance at home.
I grew up in the episcopal church, and my whole family background is with the church of England. My great great great grandfather Baptized, Queen, Victoria. my grandfather was an Anglican minister from Canada . I also have an ancestor who was Archbishop Stephen Langton, during the reign of king, John, and helped with the Magna Carta. All of my great ancestors are spinning in their graves if they could see the church of England now! I left the episcopal church and now I’m a member of an Anglo Catholic Parish in Portland Oregon Very upset to see the archbishop of Canterbury make those comments!
Thank you for acknowledging that the decision to stay in or leave CofE is a big decision for laity as well as clergy.
I think it is helpful to consider that we should not want a flag to represent our sin. The problem is that the wolves are in the church talking about why we should view others as being their sin identity… progressivism stands against repentance.
Love the idea of visiting your church Rev Dan ❤
And guess what I did last year - I joined the Ordinariate. Strongly recommended
Welcome home!
Thanks very much Reverend Dan. The extraordinary pains which you are going through in respect of Justin Welby have their counterpart in Catholics like me struggling with Pope Francis. Look at his words in Singaore on Friday 13th Sept 2024. All religions are paths to God....er, does that include Voodoo and Scientology? Friday 13th really is unlucky. The Popesplainers have twisted themselves into corkscrews trying to explain this one.
Having seen your earlier podcast on Justin Welby on "The rest is politics" and compared your excerpt with the full length program, it was fascinating to see the contrast in the comments. Your podcast was headed "Should Justin Welby resign". Just about every horrified commentator was giving him a massive thumbs down. "Go, go, go" and "Yes, yes, yes". On the full length version some commentators were similary dismissive. But most seemed impressed with Justin as an honest man with a colourful and difficult life who had seriously struggled with serious questions.
I just remembered Alastair Campbell's most famous words: "We don't do God". He is still an agnostic, but he plainly realises how enthralling the God question is.
I struggled to understand if you were sympathetic or not....to Welby, Perhaps this is the problem with us Christians...we can lack clarity in our attempt to be understanding and 'nice'. I'm increasingly convicted that we have to be sure of our foundations. Good foundations give us a footing to push back on the gates of hell.
Our culture is increasingly confused/lost...What can a confused church offer a confused world.
I was sypathetic to Justin Welby because he is in a totally impossible position trying to be a politician and keep the Anglican communion together. But it is impossible to reconcile two radically imcompatible viewpoints and it massively damages the credibility of any Church when two clergymen are visibly contradicting each other. And, even worse, visibly contradicting what was long estabished Christian teaching. So I very much regret that he has not resigned with a suitably honest and forceful statement and then proceeded to preach Bibical truth as a free man. As I have had more than enough virulent abuse from fellow Catholics every time I criticise the idiocies of Pope Francis, I can understand a litte of what Justin is enduring.
@@williammurphy3766 Hi William...Yes perhaps Welby faces an impossible Job...The rot had set in well before Welby.
But the essence of a good leader is to lead...And to lead in a singular direction. Sadly Welby has led the church into deeper confusion and division. Turns out that a broad church comes to grief on a narrow road. Welby's solution...was to steer the wide load down a wide road....A wide road that leads to destruction.
At 20:36 it was far easier for us here in the USA because many churches hung a banner saying "Anglican" on their sign which covered up the word "Episcopal".
Paula White was on Trump's national faith advisory board.
The biggest issue i have with her is her endorsement of Mother Moon (of the Moonies cult). White has twice attended her eccemenical event (once as keynote speaker) representing all of Christianity.
(Mother Moon's late husband once crowned himself as the Messiah in a lavish ceremony, while Moon calls herslef The Holy Spirit).
In the presence of Paula White Mother Moon called has herself "the only begotten daughter" and said that the pusrpsoe of humanity was "to come under heavenly parents" (something Jesus failed at because he didn't marry). Rather than leave, or publically object Paula White bowed to Mother Moon and gave her flowers.
To whoever asked about Paula White, please mark and avoid her.
I agree that this is troubling....but on closer examination I'm wondering if this is as bad as it looks. The event that you point to was broadly about uniting CHRISTIAN movements.
This raises many questions....
Is Christian unity something to aim for?
What theological differences can we accept/where do we draw the line?
Which so called Christian' movements are NO WAY Christian?
Before rushing to judgement on White...I'd like to hear why she was at this conference in Korea...and to get a little more context.
Weird!
Interesting question about 'how do you know' - exactly! I was at HTB for some time and began to be concerned, their website, although very pretty with a lot of bells and whistles doesn't have a statement of faith anywhere. I eventually discovered they are in the Alliance but only by finding that by chance on Google. Even so, there is no direct reference to anything pertaining to gay marriage, abortion etc in the church notices or service. It's like they are 'against' those things but don't want to actually say so in case they offend anyone or (more importantly) lose people. I no longer attend and have found a wonderful online church (Hope Church - St Jude and St James) where they aren't afraid to nail their colours to the mast.
We got our Apostolic Succession from Gregory the Great, and we have the AV Bible, the Prayer Book 1662/1928, and the 39 Articles, so we don't have to worry what Welby or Francis are saying or doing.
Whatever you bind is accepted in heaven? Such that Francis has to follow your teachings?
A real Church is in sync with heaven, it's not the one you attend.
@@koppite9600 Matt 16:23
@@koppite9600 Matt 16:23
@@koppite9600 Go on to verse 23, and you speak of the things of man.
@jamessheffield4173
How does it negate the promise of a Church on Peter which will never fail and you should be able to attend today?
Is verse 23 the reason you don't attend the Church Christ built?😂
Also re the flies, apple cider vinegar in a GUI pot, little drop of washing up liquid and a drop of lemon juice for fragrance.
Hi Dan, what you said about the Christian life being hard, I experienced after responding to the gospel, I felt scared as I realised what being a disciple meant, like I hadn't read the 'small print'. Anglicanism in its purist form is so strong theologically and liturgically but somehow our discipleship is quite shallow so often.
I'd come to your event.
I too have left the CofE and attend an evangelical church where the Pastor and Elders believe in scripture. I am appalled by what Mr Welby has said - almost every day I get a new confirmation that leaving (after 57 years, and 37 years as a Reader) was necessary, maybe essential.
Graham Reardon
I commend you on your courage...so many of us become institutionalized...So many are more religious than Christian.
Lots of Demons trying to destroy the church we had this person at Sunday service a special quiet time was called for but he was up & about all over the place, & got a awful response when I spoke to him,i know he's no well but this is more..somthing more has to be done. God Bless. ❤
Saving souls… AMEN
Keep the Faith, stay on the vine. God is purifying his church. If we suffer with Christ we will rise with Christ, and there’s nothing more beautiful than that. God Bless you 🙏✝️
I wonder what you mean by 'vine' Are you talking about a denomination, or are you pointing to the biblical meaning of 'the vine'?
The C of E is dying because it is not preaching & living the Gospel. Do that & you abide in Christ & He in you - this keeps you on the vine. Live for Christ not the world; Christ is life, the world is death. I personally am a Catholic & believe in the one holy, Catholic & apostolic church. Different people make different choices but the bare minimum is to preach & live the Gospel; avoid the ways of the world with its ideologies, gender or otherwise. The Vine is being powered by God not the world. I hope this helps 🙏😊
@@markgriffiths5289 Thanks for the clarification. I think we broadly agree.....although there is perhaps an unintended contradiction in your comment? As a Christian of 60 years...i too am confident that God only has one church. We the members of that church are of many nations...cultures, etc. Even our theologies don't completely line up. But Gods church transcends all of our many differences.
So...Catholic might mean universal...But to many it has a paradoxical and opposite meaning...It might mean roman Catholic...and is anything but embracing of the many other manifestations and cultures of Christian faith. In other words it can for many be exclusive and narrow...excluding people like me perhaps?
@@IssacharGR I am a Roman Catholic & believe in the true magisterium of the church. Living the Faith is difficult especially in our relativistic world. A stand must be made however, even to the point of martyrdom. The church thrives on the blood of the martyrs. Accepting the world is watering down the Truth and Jesus warns us of being Luke warm. God knows what is in peoples hearts & he is merciful. But remember, the first thing Jesus said when he started his ministry was “Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand.” There IS an objective truth. This is an uncomfortable thing for our modern world to accept. We are in a spiritual war & many people don’t believe in the supernatural power of God. The Sacraments are supernatural, prayer is supernatural, chastisements are supernatural. The demons will not be defeated unless we are strong in our Faith. Christianity is under attack & it’s only going to get worse. We must come together & be strong. Different Christian traditions don’t always get on but we need to come together & unite against the rise of the new paganism. But there is hope. St. Padre Pio is known for saying, “Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer”.
@@markgriffiths5289 Amen!
I think having a day to come visit you and meet a like minded community would be a excellent idea.
Im originally from the UK but now live in Australia so unfortunately wouldn't be able to make it but If you could You tube the event that would be perfect.
Dan: death is an awkward subject. My parents had five children, of whom I am their firstborn. The middle one, a boy, called Noel (birthday 25th December) was killed, aged 14, in 1969, in a fall from a south-coast cliff, where he was trying to reach a gull's egg, to add to his collection. Noel defined what it was to be 'cool'; and his loss had a devastating effect on our family. Then, in 1986, two of my closest friends died (one in my car, from a heart-attack, as I was driving down the Fulham Road, to get to his partner of twenty years, dying from AIDS in the, then, St Stephen's Hospital). Dying within thirty hours of one another, I was left as Executor: and it was not a good time; although I did get to meet the lovely Jacqueline Bissett, who lived in their apartment block. Their loss, and my encounters with Nurses over several months, led me to quit my job, and return to university to become a Nurse. One thing of which we need to be careful is that we never 'own' another person: such that their loss drags us into the depths of despair. To have loved another, and to have had the privilege of being loved by another, involves us in 'acts-of-will' and commitment: and to have experienced true human love (not possessiveness) is one of the greatest gifts: although the Church teaches that same-sex-attracted coupkles must eschew it. One of your commentars [11:30] claims that Justin Welby "panders to the secular world too much". Unfortunately, the 'secular' world is now more humane, in its official 'doctrine', than is the Church of Jesus of Nazareth: and that serves to show just how far the Church-of-Clergy has strayed from the young male human being, and Jew, we find in the Gospels. It is the 'secular' world which has provided my beloved partner and me with a Civil Partnership, after forty years of shared life: not the Church! TheChurch-of-Clergy is highly selective of Jesus' teachings which it will accept, and those it will not: and, if his teachings are lacking, then it can always turn to Paul of Tarsus to correct the matter. Pelagianism is the 'heresy' which claims we can so imitate Jesus of Nazareth in the doing of good deeds that we can 'earn' salvation: and you come perilously close to this in your own teachings on abstinence in sex (in the case of others, of course). Does it never occur to Welby-bashers, that in his championing of 'LIVING IN LOVE AND FAITH' (which the 'Rev' Brett Murphy, charitably, refers to as 'Living in LUST and Faith') the Spirit of God may be speaking through him? If your judgment (that God cannot be speaking through him, because that would be to contradict 1 Cor 6:9ff etc), then it is your own Doctrine of Scripture which is at fault here. You are venerating and reading our scriptures like a Muslim with his Koran! At 23:00 you ask, "How do you know a church is 'orthodox'?" Would that question have, even, occurred in the mind of the Jews who decided that Jesus of Nazareth was their awaited Messiah? In this belief, they were 'heretical Jews'. The tragedy is that Christian 'orthodoxy' developed in parallel with Jewish 'orthodoxy': so that each became mutually exclusive over around three hundred years. 'Orthodoxy' is about power and control: and it sidelines any of the fundamental questions which need to be asked. "How and why did those 'unorthodox Jews' conclude Jesus was their awaited Messiah: their Christos?" We are about to enter that time of year when we will hear a lot from Isaiah and Daniel: and therein lies the key to their thinking. At 37:00 you tackle the Pharisaism of the Church: pointing out the sins of others, whilst not speaking of one's own sins. Enough rambling.....
Rev Dan, thanks for that. I wouldn't drink even tea infront of the cameras like that with such huge audience. On a separate note, I am not sure the focus should be on Justin Welby, but the CoE needs to retrace her footsteps back to sound doctrine. I read elsewhere that bishop of Leeds has issues with Lord's prayer for starting with "Our Father..". Justin Welby started well and was a breadth of fresh air compared to his predecesors but the political office has taken its toll.
My birthday on Thursday. Happy birthday to you. Betty
Nice idea on the day trip thing. Is there a cameran site nearby. Make a weekend of it. Long way from Cumbria...
A broad church comes to grief on a narrow road. Welby's solution...was to steer the wide load down a wide road....A wide road that leads to destruction.
Count me in. Betty
Welby has sone massive damage to the Church with his woke inclinations. One would ask the question: Is Welby a Christian?
Dan you need to get on your bike & come see us we would love that I'm sure 😊
It’s not foolproof by any means, but there is a indicator on A Church Near You that the church has PLF amongst its offerings, also a loo and baby change…
How much does Justin Welby earn?
In the past two thousand years we have had Popes who have falllen short of Christ's teaching. The Church is still here, warts and all. Ask yourself why. Jesus chose twelve Apostles - one let Him down.
Chalfont St Giles… 44 minutes away from my daughter’s… name the date!!
I think you might need more than 30 tickets!!
God Bless
Structural division does nothing to help the Biblical ministry in local churches if those church congregations are divided.
Not wanting to be pedantic....You can't leave the church if you are a part of Gods church....YOU ARE THE CHURCH.
Perhaps we are all a little institutionalized...which LIMITS our understanding of who we are...and how we can be church.
You know no-one really wants to talk about Justin Welby. We just wish he and the rest of the revisionist and progressive apostates would just leave, so we can get on with the gospel centred stuff. But hey we have to I suppose.
No one in our congregation wants to talk about the so-called PLF… I have been called a bully for raising awkward questions… new to this congregation, I was confused by the silence on this hot topic… after all, we are supposed to have been getting used to discussing these matters over the last few years… but in my neck of the woods (Norfolk) no one is being encouraged to engage in open prayerful dialogue. I asked the Diocesan rep if she would raise this silence as an issue at the next Diocesan Synod. She became irate and complained about me to our (self-proclaimed Inclusive) vicar… she said she might have found me threatening!! Vicar phoned my husband and I to say she ‘Was watching us!’ And not in a good way. She said that what she meant was that our behaviour could be construed as bullying. Vicar refused to discuss the so-called Prayers of Love and Faith with us. She had already said to us in private that she would want to officiate ive the marriage of same sex couples as soon as she could. For a while I stopped taking part in the Eucharist but then heard God say to me that it was OK for me to take communion from this woman’s hands… it was at the end of that service that this vicar revealed that she was taking early retirement on medical grounds. I believe God was moving her out of that position of authority… for our good and also to protect her from the huge sin of leading people astray. We moved to this village because we felt God’s calling to be a Christian witness in the community we live in… we just hadn’t realised that that witness would first be to the ‘Church’ itself!
@@kathrynvessey4659 Join your PCC. you would be amazed how one person speaking truth can have an immense effect especially in an environment where there is little discussion - it shines light into dark places.
asked the vicar where he stood on gay marriage...
I’d much prefer not to talk about Welby!
The CofE has become like Eli. Very old and unable to discipline its sons.
Yes seems the CofE has lost its way....With a leader that is compromised, and confused.
Eli And His Sons Were Guilty Of Blasphemy They knew the truth but had compromised it. This is the sin that Eli had passed on to his sons. It was the sin of twisting God's word which is blasphemy.
Do you want to live an interpretation of medieval Christianity or look at the true Bible and live it.
Their are countries that follow their interpretation of God's laws, and leaders dictate and abuse their citizens.
On the other side, you can be so liberal that the word is just a guide line.
Neither go to the left or right, but look ahead at God who will guide you.
The symbolism of the Hebrew language is very important and those that read the phonetic top line of the text can end up being dictators.
The original text of Deutoronomy was written in proto Hebrew and had no punctuation.
This meant you saw the text as a whole.
Letters are words and concepts derived from the Egyptian Hieroglyphs.
So their is a concept in the letter that is part of the concept of the word within the concept of the verse and the book within Torah.
Hence, a simple translation of Deutoronomy is not possible.
You argue over what is not explained.
Dan. Have you ever explained in detail why God does not want same sex marriage within the context of the Torah?
You can not say I have blind faith that God's word in the Torah is translated correctly into king James bible.
So, can you support your argument that same sex marriage is wrong?
Are you waving a banner and not know what is written on it?
I know you will not answer.
People have to know what to fight for.
The church, which includes you, are not explaining.
Jesus cleared the eyes of the blind.
You say you live in Christ.
Clear the eyes of the people so that they can see the truth.
Perhaps i can to some extent speak for Dan...or at least advocate a Biblical view.
Often at the root of deception is the twisting of meaning. Or the assertion that something else was said...or meant.
As a Christian of 60 years and 40 years in international Christian publishing...I could lay out a long list of Biblical statements that challenge your thinking..
But it seems you have rejected much of that already.
So i ask do you ever hear the holy spirit...have you received that indwelling voice of revelation.
I suspect yours is an intellectual faith...religious rather than relational.
I suspect that you have difficulty discerning what levels of deviance/perversion is acceptable? (Abortion?, Sodomy, even .Minor attraction'
I suspect that you inner holy spirit moral compass is infected with liberal woke confusion.
Here are just two clear Biblical revelations that don't sit well with liberal thinking....
For example...The Bible tells us that marriage is between a man and a woman....and for the nurturing of Children.
For example - The Bible tells us that we are unique human beings...Known by God....when we were in the womb. (not potential humans)
Do you easily accept these Biblical revelations?
Just left a response that was not shown.
How can I be open if there is no chance to respond.
My response is this.
Your perception of me is incorrect.
The point of the discussion.
If you do not understand the text or discuss it openly, you cannot make a law.
I look to understand.
Caine only looked to himself and built a city inwhich he could hide his thoughts.
It had a perimeter wall that hid and defended was built and maintained within.
When the descendents of Jacob gathered on the other side of the Jordan, they were attacked by the kings who came out of their cities and revealed themselves. Jericho had its walls demolished so that it's inner thought was revealed.
Good thought butt's up against self thought in battle.
Spiritually, we are thought concepts arguing about good and evil or God and self.
In the separation, all life came from God through Eve and Adam.
All thought was passed down through the generations.
We learn from those who begat us and store the information which we use as a reference.
A man a thousand years ago would not perceive God in the same way due to the knowledge he was given.
External experience is based on the framework of mans knowledge.
Do you speak to God as Moses did and recieve a reply?
My relationship with God is of love because my soul comes from God.
My body and mind was made here.
This is the knowledge of God and self, good and evil.
Here, the body is male or female.
In a higher reality, this is mearly a concept because the union of two bodies in Heaven is not required to generate thought.
The only thing that I find shocking is the poor translation of the text.
It is better to be open in thought than closed.
I encourage Dan to explain the text
In detail so that a better understanding can make a better argument.
What would Jesus say.
This man mumbles on on on about what ? I'm still none the wiser.
1.5 hours of ji he goes off on a tangent on a tangent. Repeats >> repeats >> and awful long drawn in breaths. Awful podcast.
Sadly many within traditional religious frameworks/denominations become a little institutionalized.
Institutional religion is strangling the revelation of God.
I think Dan is a 'Christian brother ' but perhaps (even he is) trying to prop up forms of thought and religion that have become the problem...not the answer.