Are San Marzano Tomatoes actually worth it?

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  • Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
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    Are expensive canned tomatoes actually worth it?
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    6:36 Taste Test #1: Raw
    8:57 What is Calcium Chloride added?
    9:37 Every Tomato Ingredient
    10:59 Does Italy grow better tomatoes?
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Комментарии • 6 тыс.

  • @jammadamma
    @jammadamma Год назад +3623

    Before the internet, there would be little to no market for a 25 minute geekout over canned tomatoes. What glorious geekouts are possible in this age. And kudos for keeping it entertaining all the way out. No small feat, I imagine.

    • @john-michaelsteiner456
      @john-michaelsteiner456 Год назад +72

      Alton Brown would have done an episode on the Food Network much less well done.

    • @afterthesmash
      @afterthesmash Год назад +81

      You're completely nuts! I've _always_ been oriented toward this kind of content, going all the way back to the 1970s. This market has _always_ been there, but it was ruthlessly and cruelly underserved. The underlying problem here is that people with high personal agency are bad consumers. We're fickle, and quick to change horses if the horse starts to go in the wrong direction. We're not so naive as to suppose that what's in the jingle is also in the can. A "good" consumer, as operative for most of my adult life, is a person who can't separate the jingle from the product.
      Here's the actual problem. Back in the 20th century, you could easily find a market for this kind of geeky content. But the problem was, you couldn't offer this content up, without the risk that your "good" consumers would wander across the aisle, to consume content they didn't deserve. Because a "good" consumer watching good content isn't a "good" consumer any longer. Against their natural tendencies, they might start to actually think.
      And so the modest amount of money you could make by catering geeky content to geeky audiences was totally undermined by the loss of revenue from less successfully capturing your "good' consumers in jingle-forward consumer ghettos.
      The miracle of RUclips is that they've perfected the stickiness of the content to such a degree that the "good" consumers are glued to what they already prefer to consume (hence optimally monetized). Meanwhile, the geeky content can modestly monetize geeky audiences, as a small but additive revenue.
      They couldn't figure out how to do this in the 20th century with the technology of broadcast networks. So despite the substantial audience for exactly this kind of content, it was never served up, for fear of ruining the social contract with their "good" consumers, meaning those who really paid the bills via huge leaks in their personal agency.
      By accident, good geek content leaked into the system all the time, to rabid fanfare from narrow quarters. But not very often. James Burke's _Connections._ Anything with Carl Sagan (although he wasn't my own hero). The first season of _Space: 1999._ (They quickly punted the second season to the control of the same guy who ruined the third season of _Star Trek.)_ There was also _The Nature of Things_ on CBC with environmentalist David Suzuki. There were some epic long-format Sunday morning recaps of politics that week. The sitcom _Barney Miller_ was a small, unrecognized gem of brilliantly concealed depth. _Yes Minister_ is also legendary for delivering the goods. (No "good" consumer _ever_ tuned in after reading the dry plot summary in _TV Guide._ You had to be there to find out, and _TV Guide_ existed to ensure this kind of accident never happened within the flock; a current copy of _TV Guide_ on the coffee table in front of the television was a near certain signal that you were a "good" consumer in good standing.)
      A good rule of thumb was to enjoy it while it lasted, because you never knew when some network bean counter would stab it in the back with his steely knives.
      Another historical relic you should check out is the epic battles behind the scenes by network television to nerf _Mork and Mindy._ Robin Williams was a worst case scenario. He could layer Saturday's Late Show subversion underneath their weeknight family format. You couldn't prevent this by telling him what he had to do. You could only prevent this by telling him what he was not allowed to _also_ do. Because he could juggle bicycles with one arm, and flaming torches with the other arm, while flipping swords off the ground by stepping on a rake, and then swallowing them whole, hands free. He was Harry Houdini, Knight of the Imperial Order, First Class, in evading network oversight. Many Tums consumed in the trenches of that battle, on both sides.
      A major casualty in this clash of the titans was the timid geekout over canned tomatoes. Oh, yes, we wanted that _too._ I mean, we wanted that too, and also to have a nearby grocery store that stocked more than two varieties of canned tomato. This was the other problem with food culture in the 1970s. Every decent grocery list in Canada or America began the same way:
      Trip to France:
      * passable bread
      * passable wine
      Trip to England:
      * passable warm beer and passable cheddar
      Trip to Germany:
      * passable cold beer
      * passable sausage
      Trip to Hungary or Spain:
      * passable paprika
      And if you couldn't afford that, you did the next best thing:
      Trip down the street:
      * passable side of beef
      * passable fresh fall potatoes
      Europeans were constantly shocked at how we always ate so much of the same things.
      Not too many trips to Italy for passable pasta, which was often made with exceptional Canadian winter wheat, so our feeble local approximation was not actually impassable on that one item.

    • @MISNM0
      @MISNM0 Год назад +4

      🙂

    • @MsSavagechef
      @MsSavagechef Год назад +24

      Well except for the cooking geeks who read Cook's Illustrated. I bought the premier issue or whatever it was called back in 1992, I think, and still read it every two months, when it comes out.

    • @noobfromhell563
      @noobfromhell563 Год назад +3

      @@MsSavagechef i was just thinking of that Cook from "Nothern Exposure", maybe couse its also from the 90s. well, whatever

  • @robbertom
    @robbertom Год назад +6521

    Chemist here: The pH scale is a log scale, so a difference of 0.3 across the whole range is actually quite a lot, approximately double the acidity. A pH difference of 1.0 would represent a 10x acidity difference.
    Great video!

    • @jramkrishnasamy
      @jramkrishnasamy Год назад +382

      Do human taste buds perceive acidity linearly or logarithmically though? Like would a pH difference of 1.0 cause the food to taste 10 times more/less acidic?

    • @roccopisano8910
      @roccopisano8910 Год назад +833

      @@jramkrishnasamy neuroscientist and chemist here, yes it will!! Our tongues are surprisingly sensitive to acidity!

    • @ThePCeristas
      @ThePCeristas Год назад +362

      God here: Yup, good stuff tasted better than the stuff that tastes bad!

    • @xfactor3000
      @xfactor3000 Год назад +209

      I believe you guys because you all sound very sciency.

    • @AngelicDirt
      @AngelicDirt Год назад +31

      ... Aaaaaaaand found the chemist. Pardon, chemists, if I'm reading he other replies correctly. :3
      Thank you for your work, btw. o7

  • @hopsiepike
    @hopsiepike Год назад +245

    Another problem with tomatoes packed with calcium chloride is that unless you completely purée them beforehand, they will not break down into a smooth sauce, but instead leave you with little rubbery tomato chunks. It is a firming agent so the cell walls stay intact. I call them embalmed tomatoes.

    • @chopsticksforlegs
      @chopsticksforlegs 8 месяцев назад +9

      This is interesting. I've never come across this problem in Australia. I use the cheapest home brand canned tomatoes from Coles 😂

    • @cyberpunkcentral8500
      @cyberpunkcentral8500 2 месяца назад +2

      Great point ☝️✔️
      I feel like I can always taste it.
      I can always taste the additives in "jarlic" (jarred, pre-minced garlic) too, even when it's just citric acid.
      I can't *always* taste all food additives, I'm not a bloodhound or a truffle pig, but those two, yeah.

    • @pattrickmerete
      @pattrickmerete 21 день назад +1

      ​@@cyberpunkcentral8500that citric acid in your minced garlic is the reason why you are still alive now. 🤣

    • @cyberpunkcentral8500
      @cyberpunkcentral8500 20 дней назад +2

      @@pattrickmerete the point is I don't eat "jarlic" because I don't enjoy the taste of the "life saving" citric acid. JFC.

    • @littleme3597
      @littleme3597 3 дня назад

      I wondered what the problem was. I already decided not to buy that brand again. Yes, rubbery chunks. lol.

  • @mrapollo_17
    @mrapollo_17 11 месяцев назад +638

    I love that I watched this entire video knowing I'm never going to pay more than $4 for a can of tomatoes

    • @mrbanana6464
      @mrbanana6464 9 месяцев назад +18

      I wish I could pay $4 for canned tomatoes, unfortunately where I live food is really expensive

    • @tyresefarrell
      @tyresefarrell 9 месяцев назад +22

      im not paying more than £0.50 for canned tomatoes, tomatoes are tomatoes, i despise them fresh, but bolognaise is just about fine so no point spending £2-3 a can when normal canned tomatoes taste the same and usually are softer xD ($ price is like $3-4)

    • @SnackPacks10
      @SnackPacks10 9 месяцев назад +6

      Oh big same nor am I gonna put in the effort to blend up canned whole tomatoes when canned crushed tomatoes get the job done easier and usually cheaper

    • @Gina-yy5fe
      @Gina-yy5fe 8 месяцев назад

      @@mrbanana6464buy from Vitacost ! Thy deliver all over the world . I live in an extremely expensive area as well and I order all my dry goods from them!

    • @Vittrich
      @Vittrich 8 месяцев назад +26

      @@tyresefarrell canned tomatoes have the advantage that they usually are harvested at the same time every year so if you stick to a brand you like, you always have the same quality of tomato in the can. even the italian facotory that sells the most espensive bolognese sauce in the world is using canned tomatoes so they can keep their standard high.

  • @brent1041
    @brent1041 Год назад +837

    As someone who works in the can food industry. There definitely is a difference in quality between brands. Usually it’s not because the vegetables are actually different, but because the best of the crop are saved for more expensive brand packaging to get more profit out of the better quality.

    • @Sekrf
      @Sekrf Год назад +150

      Companies do it this way because they... CAN!
      ...I'll show myself out

    • @dharm3974
      @dharm3974 Год назад +12

      Knowing this, do you buy the more expensive stuff for the better quality?

    • @RhythmWalkerKS
      @RhythmWalkerKS Год назад +66

      @@Sekrf hmm…I’ll give you a 7 out of tin for that one.

    • @Ottee2
      @Ottee2 Год назад

      @@dharm3974 , Depends

    • @lukaserik
      @lukaserik Год назад +11

      The best of the best tomatoes are selected to make tomato puree here in California for Japenese market . I never tasted anything more delicious related to tomato.

  • @crazymarc14
    @crazymarc14 Год назад +2355

    As someone who makes homemade pizza this video was an awesome learning experience. I usually blend tomatoes for sauce and just bought the cheapest ones I could find but now I’m going to be looking for ones without calcium chloride and tomato juice. Thanks Ethan.

    • @heruhcanedean
      @heruhcanedean Год назад +59

      Same here, I didn't go for the absolute cheapest because it tastes like acid sauce and metal, but I go for the cheaper stuff.
      I almost want to do a blind taste test myself with mini pizzas and different sauces. Cento for the acid hit and Delallo for the tomato forward taste looks like 2 I will be using in testing, along with my usual go to, I might throw in that "nicer" one with the calcium chloride so I know the taste difference first hand ... But then you have to factor in raw sauce or cooked sauce too.
      Pizza is an art, might need to mix 1/2 with a full can to get the right ratio for the perfect sauce

    • @kingquesoIV
      @kingquesoIV Год назад +39

      Always buy the best tomatoes you can find. The flavor difference is night and day. Look for bianco di napoli at Whole Foods

    • @MikeTaffet
      @MikeTaffet Год назад +24

      I use Biancos for my pizzas. I just blend the tomatoes right in the can and scoop it onto my pies. Comes out amazing

    • @user-gb7wf6if9v
      @user-gb7wf6if9v Год назад +54

      @@kingquesoIV Did you watched the video or not?

    • @Peter..Griffin
      @Peter..Griffin Год назад

      As someone who doesn't make homemade pizza i find your comment rather shallow and pedantic.

  • @ValorWarrior5258
    @ValorWarrior5258 3 месяца назад +59

    My dad has always enjoyed cooking, has very sensitive palate. He told me years ago that CENTO was the best canned tomato he has ever tasted. I am going to let him know it was one of your top 2 consistently! Thanks . My grand-daughter asked me to make Goulash for supper tonight ( we have a cold windy day ahead), so I told her I knew the perfect tomatoes to buy to make it with! Thank You!

    • @maym8849
      @maym8849 Месяц назад

      What is goulash 😅 sorry I've heard that word but never knew what it was. How do u make it?

    • @martinschulze8241
      @martinschulze8241 Месяц назад +3

      @@maym8849 It's basically a type beef stew originating from Hungary.I'm not hungarian, but here in germany it's seen as their national dish. Idk if that holds up, but it's very popular in germany and hungary.

    • @bevettecruz2110
      @bevettecruz2110 22 дня назад

      Omg please can i please barrow your guloush recipe,i havent had it since i was in jr.high ,my foster mother made the best.

  • @rggfishing5234
    @rggfishing5234 4 месяца назад +129

    I've stuck with Cento for a couple of decades. Besides being delicious and less expensive than some of the other premium brands, consistency between cans and over years has been outstanding. I'm glad it got good marks in your enjoyable and well produced video. Thanks, Ethan!

    • @mfc902
      @mfc902 4 месяца назад +4

      Same. My family has used Cento for well over forty years in all of our sauces - from a simple spaghetti to an all’Amatriciana.

    • @buckeyenation7322
      @buckeyenation7322 3 месяца назад +2

      Agree!

    • @cyberpunkcentral8500
      @cyberpunkcentral8500 2 месяца назад +3

      Cento never lets me down. 🇮🇹
      Add me to the fan club! ☺️

  • @andreaceleste2664
    @andreaceleste2664 Год назад +582

    You’re the only guy who can talk about tomatoes for 23min and make it entertaining. Thank you for passing on your knowledge

    • @dennischiapello3879
      @dennischiapello3879 Год назад +7

      He's a cute ginger. 😊

    • @marlelarmarlelar9547
      @marlelarmarlelar9547 Год назад +3

      I have to disagree, anyone who spends even 23 seconds thinking about tomatoes needs a real life. It took me 12 seconds to type this.

    • @dennischiapello3879
      @dennischiapello3879 Год назад

      @@marlelarmarlelar9547 Then how did you end up clicking on a video about tomatoes, and leave a trolling comment? Who needs a real life?

    • @monke980
      @monke980 Год назад +3

      @@dennischiapello3879 with a thick moustachio

    • @emmatran8486
      @emmatran8486 Год назад +1

      @@marlelarmarlelar9547 tomatoes

  • @fheering
    @fheering Год назад +638

    I still haven't finished the video, but I already love the concept, approach, and effort put into it. Amazing, man! Cheers!

    • @MrSoopah
      @MrSoopah Год назад +1

      Same. But already know it is super useful.

    • @soundwave070
      @soundwave070 Год назад +1

      I had the exact same thing. This is premium content I would pay for.

    • @TheJacklwilliams
      @TheJacklwilliams Год назад +1

      It’s 23 minutes 😂

    • @maxcarothers1315
      @maxcarothers1315 Год назад +2

      Bro finish it help our guys video retention stats

    • @fheering
      @fheering Год назад +1

      @@maxcarothers1315 oh, surely I did it already. More than once btw

  • @elrobo3568
    @elrobo3568 6 месяцев назад +50

    Ethan, I am a retired Italian chef and just got back from Italy where I went to farms and ate tomato's from the plant. I was raised by my mom and grandma from Migoinico and Modena. The best tomato's I ever had were from my grandmas backyard garden in Brooklyn, we would pick them to make sauce and eat one or two before getting to the kitchen. I am partial to San Marzano's. Your suggestion of reading the label is very important! There are so many companies that flat out lie to you on the front label and try to hide the crap they put in in the ingredients list. There are 56 different ways that food companies describe sugar. Great video! Thanks.

  • @lars2894
    @lars2894 10 месяцев назад +29

    The amount of effort that went into making this video is INSANE. First time viewer, subbed!

  • @mysticwanderer4787
    @mysticwanderer4787 Год назад +327

    This is an excellent presentation. As a retired chef, I get asked questions about food all of the time with many of them concerning "Is it really worth it?" The answer of course depends on what product you are talking about. I default to Cento at home and when doing private chef gigs. There is a big difference in the taste of canned tomato product as you just demonstrated just as there is a noticeable difference between the same variety of fresh tomato grown in a hothouse and then artificially ripened and those that are field grown and vine-ripened. What most people do not realize is that a good brand of canned tomato product is generally far better than fresh because canned tomatoes are harvested at the peak of ripeness whereas fresh tomatoes tend to be harvested and shipped underripe so they will last during shipment and on display longer. True San Marzano tomatoes are an heirloom variety so they taste the same today as they did 100 years ago. That's right, tomatoes have gotten more acidic with a firmer structure so they last longer on the shelf and are more favorable for commercial use. You can do the same taste test at home with fresh tomatoes to see if vine ripened are really better than regular or whether heirloom tomatoes taste that much different than commercial varieties. Also, beware that "tomatoes on the vine" are not necessarily vine-ripened. Just like the San Merican canned tomatoes, the "tomatoes on the vine" is questionable marketing because it doesn't mean they were allowed to fully ripen before being harvested and probably weren't. Most are just hot house grown tomatoes harvested in clutches and gas ripened which is why they look so perfect. Support your local farmer and buy from farmer's markets and stands.

    • @coppulor6500
      @coppulor6500 Год назад +11

      great info thank you!

    • @chompers5568
      @chompers5568 Год назад +2

      B

    • @oldwiseoul
      @oldwiseoul Год назад +6

      Great advice.

    • @DrewLevitt
      @DrewLevitt Год назад +12

      It troubles me to think that most people have never really tasted a tomato - or most other vegetables, for that matter.

    • @sitori663
      @sitori663 Год назад +16

      @@DrewLevitt Once you've tasted a real field grown, vine ripened heirloom tomato the mass produced, artificially ripened ones are tasteless and IMO not worth buying.

  • @desktopdrummer6599
    @desktopdrummer6599 Год назад +255

    This is so information heavy - it's incredible! Answering literally every question I could have 10/10

    • @EthanChlebowski
      @EthanChlebowski  Год назад +81

      I tried to think of every question I have had over the years (which is a lot), so hopefully I covered almost all of them!

    • @chongli297
      @chongli297 Год назад +25

      @@EthanChlebowski I really appreciate that you avoided recommending a specific brand. As a Canadian, I often see brands recommended which just aren't available here. At the same time, we have different brands which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. I'm sure this is the case for every country as well as region and even specific store.

    • @carlosalvarado2564
      @carlosalvarado2564 Год назад +4

      @@EthanChlebowski you should have checked to see if location factored in. I don't mean in terms of growing however, I mean in terms of shipping. I've found that sometimes things shipped from places farther away sometimes don't taste as good because maybe the heat of a trip changed the taste of the food. Sometimes a good cheap local brand is good enough for most dishes. So maybe not as cheap as the store brand but not a d.o.p. either. For instance I can get sclafani grown and packed in jersey just a little away from NYC for 2.99. They can be pretty good most of the time especially for anything straight up cooked. While not the cheapest, they also don't run 5+ bucks a can either and can even be on sale for as low as 2.19 sometimes. I save the bianco only for pizza. I'm sure there's other brands local to some states that are comparable.

  • @jucas19
    @jucas19 11 месяцев назад +12

    As a beer brewer I can answer about CaCl2 effect on flavour pretty confidently. Chloride ions are used in brewing, along with Sulfate (SO4), to balance sweetness/bitterness in beer flavour. When both are present (at least ~30ppm of each), their ratio determines which flavour will be intensified: a higher chloride ratio (i.e. 100ppm Cl to 50ppm SO4) will provide a sweeter mouthfeel, while a higher sulfate ratio (i.e. 200ppm CO4 to 50ppm Cl) will enhance hop bitterness and give a drier mouthfeel.
    So chloride, even from NaCl, in limited amounts (up to 200 or 300ppm) will enhance sweet flavours, which is a desirable feature in canned tomatoes.

  • @FireForEffect1533
    @FireForEffect1533 6 месяцев назад +55

    My Italian grandmother always said that homegrown and homemade canned tomatoes surpass the quality of store-bought San Marzano tomatoes. Her belief has influenced me greatly over the years, especially since homegrown tomatoes were a key ingredient in her cooking. They made her dishes stand out, and I found nothing else could match their taste. Inspired by her, I now cultivate my own tomatoes every year. It took some time to master the growing and harvesting techniques, but I can confidently say my tomatoes are now much tastier than those I used to purchase at local stores (Canned or fresh). For anyone who uses tomatoes frequently, I strongly suggest learning the art of organic tomato farming and preserving them at home.

    • @westoftherockies
      @westoftherockies 4 месяца назад +2

      san marzano are good, and sure you can grown your own and they may or may not be better...but there are cheap canned tomatoe's and better quality ones...i use a lot of canned tomatoes and i'm not saying you need to buy expensive ones but good canned tomatoes are noticably better than low quality ones...i never buy just the store brand...i at least use a name brand..maybe not san marzano, but definately a higher quality...cause it does make a huge difference.

    • @mjb9176
      @mjb9176 3 месяца назад +5

      San Marzano’s are picky plants. They are notorious for blossom end rot even when neighboring plants grow perfectly in the same soil. Plan to add calcium to the planting area (bone meal) to overcome their particular needs. I grew 2 plants and after solving the blossom end rot issue I probably picked 500 tomatoes per plant. The only thing that stopped production was an October snowstorm. I froze whole so I can grab what I need from bulk Ziplock bags. Manga.

    • @ggbfree
      @ggbfree 3 месяца назад +1

      @@mjb9176 Limestone works much better than bone meal in my experience.

    • @jodiehardy7220
      @jodiehardy7220 3 месяца назад +1

      What type of tomato do you grow?

    • @unitedstatesdale
      @unitedstatesdale 3 месяца назад

      Agree...1/4 cup of milk every 2 weeks during the bloom period erased .E.R. on my plants last year​@@ggbfree

  • @inkno701
    @inkno701 Год назад +358

    My mother has been making a pasta meat sauce for years using regular canned tomatoes and I recently told her about San Marzanos. When she used them in the sauce it made such a difference, everyone thought she had changed the recipe or something.
    Thanks for all the amazing and informative videos!

    • @vess928
      @vess928 Год назад +21

      I mean she did change the recipe! She changed the base ingredient.

    • @aris1956
      @aris1956 Год назад +9

      I, as an Italian from the region where San Marzano tomatoes grow (the region Campania, in the area of the volcano Vesuvius), have to say that making a pasta sauce with San Marzano tomatoes, compared to other tomatoes, “normal tomatoes”, is a bit like making a Carbonara with Guanciale (seasoned pork cheek), the original Roman one (!) or making it with bacon instead. Those who have never tasted an original carbonara with guanciale actually do not know what a real carbonara tastes like.

    • @aris1956
      @aris1956 Год назад

      @@jayndough68 😉👍

    • @jeebus_gaming
      @jeebus_gaming Год назад

      @@aris1956 girl be fr

  • @VoIcanoman
    @VoIcanoman Год назад +63

    I grow San Marzanos in my garden. I actually just turned a bunch into tomato paste just yesterday. They are sweet and packed with umami, while the sourness is extremely low. I also like that the San Marzano plants are extremely prolific, so I get a lot of tomatoes.

    • @miradfalco251
      @miradfalco251 Год назад +5

      Yes! I gave up in growing Roma years ago, but the San Marzano tastes so much better.

    • @danmckeever599
      @danmckeever599 Год назад

      @@miradfalco251 There are far too many "roma" tomato varieties, the worst are the ones in your supermarket produce section. Simply picking paste tomatoes ripe will give you a world of difference.

    • @MaximusChivus
      @MaximusChivus Год назад +2

      I have trouble wrapping my head around lower acidity being good for tomatoes, because to me the acidity is half the point of using a tomato in the first place

    • @VoIcanoman
      @VoIcanoman Год назад +4

      @@MaximusChivus Yeah, but the issue is, when making a cooked sauce, you are _concentrating_ the acidity. I do roasted tomato sauces, so I am losing 55-70% of the weight of the fresh tomatoes in water loss (they get cooked at 300 F for 2.5 hours, browning the skins, which are removed later, and evaporating so much water), meaning that the acidity more than doubles in the roasting process.
      So if you're planning on using San Marzano tomatoes in a fresh context, their acidity is probably lower than would be ideal. But if you're using them for their intended purpose (they are a paste tomato), then a low acidity is actually quite desirable.

    • @miradfalco251
      @miradfalco251 Год назад +1

      @@danmckeever599 I'm not impressed when they're from the garden, so I can't imagine how bland they would be from the grocery store.

  • @nikkibotts6239
    @nikkibotts6239 5 месяцев назад +8

    I love how wonderfully detailed this video was.
    It literally answered all my questions.
    Thank you!

  • @Gartendame
    @Gartendame 3 месяца назад +1

    Your observations, explanations, range of information, and delivery hits so many sweet notes - thank you. This has been very helpful to me.

  • @rhysrjones
    @rhysrjones Год назад +638

    I visited Hokkaido, Japan, and worked within the tomato farming community for a small period. The tomatoes were amazing, and had the most flavour! The reason - the farmers were paid on mass x Brix (sugar content + amino acids + other soluble solids). Simply the motivation was to produce tastier produce, than to bulk up the tomatoes by over hydrating, and producing bland tomatoes. If you ever come across Japanese tomatoes, I'd recommend getting some!

    • @greg.peepeeface
      @greg.peepeeface Год назад +27

      I can imagine they are different, just like eggs, chicken, and fruit are noticeably different in Japan.

    • @TheAlibabatree
      @TheAlibabatree Год назад +14

      How did you come to work in that community in Japan?

    • @greg.peepeeface
      @greg.peepeeface Год назад +2

      @@TheAlibabatree good question, I hope we get to hear how.

    • @redfo3009
      @redfo3009 Год назад +10

      Yes I agree; when I visit Sapporo and eat the fruit, I joke that the flavour is so good they must put artificial flavour in the fruits! Sooo flavourful.

    • @RickyT15
      @RickyT15 Год назад +17

      @@greg.peepeeface Considering the cost of fruit in Japan i would expect it to be. Love the freshness of it all and cant beat it anywhere else.

  • @emmtag2962
    @emmtag2962 Год назад +334

    Future suggestion: Id love to see an exploration of different types of rice. I grew up with white minute rice only, so trying to figure out the differences in length and type and how it changes things would be useful.

    • @Chris__The__Ripper
      @Chris__The__Ripper Год назад

      Ll

    • @KennieBby
      @KennieBby Год назад +16

      I can’t break it down for you, but I always keep a bag of Long Grain White Rice and a bag of Basmati. Long grain rice is good for recipes like Mexican Rice, Dirty Rice, baked rice recipes, Gallo pinto and really rices that you mix with other ingredients if you’re not eating it plain. Obviously though, it can be eaten plain. With Basmati rice I just love it’s fragrance, texture, and taste. It’s really good with Indian cuisine, but that’s the part where I can’t answer as fully as I did with long grain white rice. I hope this was helpful anyway :)

    • @marielehleitner3643
      @marielehleitner3643 Год назад +12

      So I can't necessarily speak for how different rice varieties taste because I mostly think they taste the same (or white rice vs brown/wild rice taste different), but the type of rice and specifically its length can really affect what you are cooking. For instance, longer grain rice in my experience tends to be drier and less sticky, so it's used for primarily drier dishes like a pilof, biryani, Mexican rice, red beans and rice, etc. Whereas shorter grain rice tends to be stickier and adhere better, so you see it used to make dishes like congee, risotto, sushi, etc. So that's why you see specific types of rice recommended for risotto (such as Arborio) or paella (Bomba) because otherwise it takes longer to cook and has less ideal results. I tried to make risotto with black rice once... do not recommend!

    • @emmtag2962
      @emmtag2962 Год назад +1

      @@KennieBby Thanks!

    • @emmtag2962
      @emmtag2962 Год назад

      @@marielehleitner3643 Thanks!

  • @70newlife
    @70newlife 10 месяцев назад +7

    I'm an Indian we get local round tomatoes which were the only one prevalent before the plum variety was introduced.
    Those tomatoes are very delicate, thin skinned and very tart.
    We like the tart tomatoes for lot of our dishes down in South India. North India has these restaurant dishes like butter chicken etc which borrows heavily from European style cooking.
    I miss those tart tomatoes as they are fewer of those now a days and in North India are almost absent.
    Tomato chutney made with them is fantastic.

  • @KegstandOG
    @KegstandOG Год назад +3

    The Big Chlebowski!!! Awesome video! I got turned on to your channel via the youtube rabbit hole and so glad I found it. Being a former line cook home cook now I don't have the budget to experiment like I used to. I realize tastes are completely subjective because everyone is different but your testing knocks out quite a bit of guess work and gives me a point to start my own testing. Thank you so much!!!

  • @ThisAintIt435
    @ThisAintIt435 Год назад +705

    Hey, food scientist here, the pH actually does not relate to flavor in any direct way at all, rather it’s the titratable acidity that affects how acidic something tastes. pH and titratable acidity are two different things that do not have a correlation and must be measured separately. Look into it it’s pretty interesting, big thing in wine making especially.

    • @henryc1000
      @henryc1000 Год назад +10

      Very cool, tnx for that tidbit of info Kristan 🙏

    • @flobbel
      @flobbel Год назад +37

      As a pharmacist I gotta say pH and titratable acidity is exact the same thing

    • @mudageki
      @mudageki Год назад +8

      If it affects how acidic something tastes, then it does relate to flavor. WTF? This wasn't a battery test, YFM.

    • @ThisAintIt435
      @ThisAintIt435 Год назад +11

      @@mudageki yes exactly… the titratable acidity relates to flavor just like I said.

    • @Ben-by7ul
      @Ben-by7ul Год назад +65

      @@flobbel as a regular person with access to google i've got to say, maybe being a pharmacist isn't your calling. From a winemakers forum: “pH is a measurement of the strength of acid, while TA is a measurement of the percent by weight of an acid. Different acids have different strengths.13 feb 2020".
      Now go sort my pills and stay away from my wine :p

  • @chriswhinery925
    @chriswhinery925 Год назад +214

    I love this style of video. There's a million people on RUclips making food videos that give us good, usable recipes, but there aren't that many people who dive into the nitty gritty of individual ingredients or cooking methods or what have you. Episodes like this remind me of Good Eats when he did episodes that were focused around a specific ingredient and how to make the most of it.

    • @jackbishop7693
      @jackbishop7693 Год назад +2

      Absolutely. I love Ethan's videos because they're so reminiscent of the food science that Alton brought us. Not just how to make something good, but why that made it good. There's a big difference between following instructions blindly and understanding why those directions are there, and in that order, and how to sub in lieu of certain ones. It makes you a better chef overall

    • @buckdaman8493
      @buckdaman8493 Год назад +1

      Adam Ragusa is better

    • @marcuslarwa9098
      @marcuslarwa9098 Год назад

      All I know is I been using the regular green cans for years and this last time I made my sauce I went with the More experience ones and the sauce tasted was to sweet for my liking. I much prefer the regular tomato’s then the more expensive ones.

    • @chriswhinery925
      @chriswhinery925 Год назад +3

      @@buckdaman8493 Meh. I've tried watching a few of his videos and I don't like his personality.

  • @Emperorerror
    @Emperorerror Год назад

    This was awesome, thank you. You really do things exactly the way I'd want to see them. These kinds of videos are the best.

  • @GemasEats
    @GemasEats 4 месяца назад +1

    Please continue making these comparison videos, really enjoy them. :) thanks for all of your hard work.

  • @aaronrehaag1005
    @aaronrehaag1005 Год назад +446

    There was another interesting variable you missed here: the can itself. One of the reasons you might experience the metallic taste is because acid can leech that flavour out of an unlined can. Lining cans increases costs so this step is often skipped by cheap generic brands.
    The presence of citric acid or firming agents may also indicate the tomatoes were harvested early. I usually avoid those too.
    You might want to consider two more experiments:
    1. Remove the seeds, which can add bitterness.
    2. Try a jar of high quality Passata. I switched to those for many applications and found them just as good but cheaper.
    I learnt those tips from an Italian cooking instructor. Was amazed by the difference it made just like you.

    • @dingfeldersmurfalot4560
      @dingfeldersmurfalot4560 Год назад +2

      Never heard of or seen passata mentioned anywhere. What is it?

    • @LauraC369
      @LauraC369 Год назад +48

      @@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 PASSATA is uncooked sieved tomato puree. My fav is Mutti, very versatile, great taste. Plus, comes in a glass jar, so you don't get the can taste.

    • @magic_cfw
      @magic_cfw Год назад +20

      sorry for being mean, but:
      1. I am very sure most cans are lined/laquered, esp for anything acidic. mostly for not giving people tin poisoning. I imagine this is also even more accessible for the economy of scale white label items can offer. If the can is steel, even more reason to line it.
      2. try finding out if a can is lined by looking at it. of course you could just buy all the brands to check but unless you're going to do a video about it or someth where you can reasonably taste test multiple brands I don't see why you would do that.

    • @brent1041
      @brent1041 Год назад +40

      As someone who works in the can food industry all cans are lined/coated on the inside. Since tomatoes are so acidic they have the most coating (usually 3 coats baked on in stages). Few cans have uncoated tin on the outside anymore. Even a clear coat over the tin preserves the appearance to keep the cans looking better longer.

    • @kevincrosby1760
      @kevincrosby1760 Год назад +8

      Adjusting the pH/Acidity of any pressure-canned vegetable or other food prior to canning is an integral part of curbing bacterial growth in the finished product. Commonly used are Citric Acid, Lemon Juice, and Vinegar, with the latter two contributing flavors which may be undesirable in the finished product.
      Calcium Chloride has multiple uses, the most common of which is a firming aid, which you mentioned. However, it may be used for a purpose other than masking an improperly harvested fruit. If the chosen cooking processes are longer than normal due to the methods used (traditional "batch" Vs. "continuous"), then it may be used to prevent excessive breakdown of the product due to the longer cooking. It is also used pre-harvest to prevent Blossom End Rot.
      As far as lined cans go, over 95% of cans used for food in the US are lined. The remaining unlined cans used for food service are generally restricted to dry foods where liquid acting upon the metallic can is not an issue. Extended-Storage dry rice and dry beans would be an example. In fact, I had to search a bit to find unlined cans for food service, and could not find ANY without a "Dry Goods Only" disclaimer.
      Any producer canning tomatoes in unlined cans most likely lacks a legal department which can explain how saving a fraction of a cent per can is false economy when faced with the costs of a single Negligent Death lawsuit.

  • @MIgardener
    @MIgardener Год назад +1210

    AMAZING video. I would love to see what American 00 flour compares to Italian 00 flour.

    • @Artturi7
      @Artturi7 Год назад +23

      Ayy MIgardener! Thanks for the high intensity tips! You really helped out my gardening these past few years

    • @77LCJ
      @77LCJ Год назад +13

      Italian Manitobaflour is canadian.

    • @anthonyderosa7730
      @anthonyderosa7730 Год назад +8

      It doesn't compare lol

    • @TigerKoehn
      @TigerKoehn Год назад +40

      ** Important. The difference is pesticides used in the growing of grains in the US is illegal in Europe due to them causing cancer , obesity Alzheimer’s and joint and bone disease. That’s the difference. The only safe comparison is organic US grown to European

    • @msch7620
      @msch7620 Год назад +27

      @@TigerKoehn A lot of Italian pasta made in Italy is made with Canadian wheat these day. The major difference is all the flours found in North America are enriched.

  • @GrandmasterofWin
    @GrandmasterofWin 7 месяцев назад +7

    Can't believe I watched the whole thing. Also, can't believe how informative it was. Also, can't believe how well your channel is doing. I subscribed when you had 25k subscribers. You deserve it man!

  • @walterbzy
    @walterbzy Год назад +19

    So far I'm 5 videos (20+ min each) deep into your videos and gotta say I'm gaining more insight into cooking and ingredients then following any recipe videos. Love your videos.

  • @jonpmonroe
    @jonpmonroe Год назад +252

    Videos like this and the one about bay leaves bring SO much value. You are the only Patreon membership I've ever had. I hope you keep this up and that you are rewarded for it.

    • @TwiztedHarlequin
      @TwiztedHarlequin Год назад +9

      German here, over here we LOVE using bayleaves in a wide variety of dishes. Especially soups / stews ( Everyone knows us Germans loving our sausages / beer / bread but our soups / stews are nothing to scoff at either, with wide varietes / recipe influences from all over Europe ) and those bayleaves just give such a nice and savory aroma boost it's a waste not to use them. Just last week I've made a big pot full of homemade lentil soup since it's getting colder over here too and a nice thick rich lentil soup with some nice smoked sausages and thick cut smoked and grilled bacon is just the thing you need on a cold rainy day. Needless to say I've added several nice big bayleaves to it. :p

    • @nocjef
      @nocjef Год назад +2

      Bay leaves taste like nothing. That’s a hill I’m willing to die on.

    • @jonpmonroe
      @jonpmonroe Год назад +2

      @@nocjef Tea leaves taste like nothing as well, but the pungency and astringency makes it what it is.

    • @piranhaplant2555
      @piranhaplant2555 Год назад

      @@TwiztedHarlequin That's genuinely so interesting, im british myself and the food here is just as a bland as memes make it out to be :0

    • @richiejohnson
      @richiejohnson Год назад

      @@nocjef I didn't understand either, until I made a tea with bay leaves. Try it. It has a camphor taste to it, resin-like. It smells slightly like bay rum. It's very subtle, has a long aftertaste.
      Now, come down off that hill! 🖖

  • @asherbernardi
    @asherbernardi Год назад +428

    Ethan has been really stepping up his game lately! They are super in depth, which is appreciated by us food nerds. Please keep it up!

    • @thebigo3752
      @thebigo3752 Год назад +1

      Have you seen his chicken vid on tiktok? He is downhill

    • @fireflieer2422
      @fireflieer2422 Год назад

      @@thebigo3752 wait why?

    • @thebigo3752
      @thebigo3752 Год назад

      @@fireflieer2422 he is a meme at this point

    • @ethanwilliams7706
      @ethanwilliams7706 Год назад

      @@thebigo3752 you are really still on his dick because he made a not perfectly grilled chicken that had bad color balancing in the vid.

    • @DennisPlucinik
      @DennisPlucinik Год назад +2

      @@thebigo3752 TikTok will melt your brain be careful

  • @scottrandall2019
    @scottrandall2019 11 месяцев назад +1

    YES! We need more videos like this Ethan! Excellent video. One of the reasons I subscribe and watch every new video.

  • @cakekookabura
    @cakekookabura 10 месяцев назад +17

    This has been really interesting and I enjoy these comparison videos. On the tomato choice topic, I don't normally use whole tomatoes unless they're freshly grown instead of canned. My favorite tomatoes to get at the store are Pomì chopped tomatoes, and they've become my secret to some of my best tomato dishes. There is only one ingredient, tomatoes, and they're Italian. Definitely try them if you haven't

    • @Nothing-zw3yd
      @Nothing-zw3yd 4 месяца назад +3

      I use the Pomi strained tomatoes for pizza sauce and combine with whole San Marzanos for marinara or meat sauce. It's perfect.

  • @YoutubeHandlesSuckBalls
    @YoutubeHandlesSuckBalls Год назад +266

    For me, San Marzano are totally worth it because I grow my own, and the crop you get from a plant is larger than other plants. We put them in jars for the rest of the year, make ketchup for the year, and also have a little tomato celebration period where we have lots of really fresh ripe tomatoes.
    Another favourite is Brandywine tomatoes, they have hardly any juice or seeds and are the perfect size for a burger slice. Not only that, but the taste of them is that perfect burger tomato taste.

    • @tessmiller7943
      @tessmiller7943 Год назад +14

      One of my favorite things about growing tomatoes is the “tomato celebration”, when in the summer your plants are yielding a bunch of flavorful tomatoes that you can eat like an apple. Sometimes we will just have fresh garden tomatoes, garden basil, and burrata cheese with oil n balsamic vinaigrette for dinner on summer nights, cause the tomatoes are just so delicious!
      Nothing beats fresh tomatoes

    • @ericedmunds9488
      @ericedmunds9488 Год назад +9

      Cento organic SAN marzano are the best. Pricey but worth it

    • @gaborbakos7058
      @gaborbakos7058 Год назад +5

      Yes, the correct pronouncination is San Martzano, but correcting the English and American about the correct pronouncinations is a hopeless and endless project. They have no idea about other languages and they pronounce every non-English word totally wrong. Not just with accent, but totally wrong, and they do so very confidently. What 's more if you say it correctly they are trying to "teach" you the the wrong pronouncination.

    • @jimmyzhang9134
      @jimmyzhang9134 Год назад +2

      This man answered one of my life long questions this this is why I watch….

    • @kylieshaye6562
      @kylieshaye6562 Год назад +1

      I've always been terrible at growing tomatoes. But I totally understand your little tomato celebration!

  • @byeolshiber9367
    @byeolshiber9367 Год назад +170

    Never would I have thought I would want to watch a 25 minute video about canned tomatoes but I did it was awesome!! You thought of everything and was so precise on each aspect. This was super helpful

    • @rodscooking131
      @rodscooking131 Год назад

      Are ANY of the results 335% + better than the generic? Can adding a dollop of Tomato Paste, a squeeze of honey, or a dash of sugar Mellow the Generic out to improve whatever it is he found foul? Cooking it longer will thicken it.

  • @stevenwillard8436
    @stevenwillard8436 11 месяцев назад

    Terrific work, my dude.
    This video scratched an itch I’ve had for a while. Thanks.

  • @ST_DCT
    @ST_DCT Год назад +9

    My Italian grandmother always used Cento, so that's my go to :)

  • @Toastybees
    @Toastybees Год назад +139

    I love how serious and analytical you are about food and food science, it shows this really is your passion.

  • @wertzler
    @wertzler Год назад +137

    This is, bar none, one of the best videos you've ever made. This feels so on brand and was so useful to watch. I've always loved your content but this is a star. Great work, Ethan.

  • @earthcandleco
    @earthcandleco 3 месяца назад +6

    I skipped by this video because I thought 20+ minutes was too long to watch. But, I decided to go back & watch it & I’m glad I did. I actually watched it twice 😂 Ive seen this guys videos before & he does a very thorough job of diving into the topics he covers. Thanks for this!

    • @lauriefuda
      @lauriefuda 2 месяца назад +1

      You should be able to change the speed of the video. I usually watch all RUclips videos on 2X with CC on, so I can see what they're saying as well as hear it. You can go a little lower until you're used to the increased speed. And you can always rewind a bit if needed. Best wishes!

  • @deepanshu9459
    @deepanshu9459 10 месяцев назад +4

    I love how simplistic you make things for Indian and Mexican Cuisines but in a good way.
    I'm an indian but never felt that something is lackin or that's straight up bad

  • @cisium1184
    @cisium1184 Год назад +149

    I wish you had included one more category: imported Italian tomatoes that are _not_ San Marzano "style" or D.O.P. They can be both great-tasting and significantly cheaper than the imported SMDOPs.

    • @petergreenwald9639
      @petergreenwald9639 Год назад +4

      Can you suggest a brand that might be easily available?

    • @APallo17
      @APallo17 Год назад +31

      @@petergreenwald9639 Mutti is a good one that is found in most grocery stores, atleast in the Northeast.

    • @dampaul13
      @dampaul13 Год назад +6

      That's a really good point.
      I've been told (in Australia), that many Italian canned tomatoes are superior to many Australian ones because of the short time between picking and packing in Italy. Not sure how true that is, just heard it a lot.

    • @ericfan9149
      @ericfan9149 Год назад +10

      @@APallo17 Yeah, I was hoping he’d include Mutti too. It’s a good brand, from my experience, but I’m curious how it would compare in a blind taste test. Overall, this was a great video though.

    • @tapp3r109
      @tapp3r109 Год назад +3

      I've been using Mutti's canned tomatoes for years, it's just normal tomatoes grown in Italy, but they do taste significantly better than the generic ones grown in my country

  • @benpierce8137
    @benpierce8137 Год назад +214

    As a home gardener who is getting obsessed with growing tomatoes, I love the depth you went into about the water content and acidity. There are much better tomatoes for eating fresh, but for canning, the plum varieties with low water content and high flesh-to-seed ratios are best, according to what I've learned from the tons of YT gardening videos I've watched.

    • @johnsheetz6639
      @johnsheetz6639 Год назад +9

      There is nothing better than a good homegrown tomato that being said I spend way more growing tomatoes than I do buying them lol! I've had some varieties cost up to a couple bucks a piece when I grow them and break down the price

    • @xtiebro
      @xtiebro Год назад +10

      @@johnsheetz6639 never ever break down the price of home growing! It’ll make you weep 😂 I still convince myself it’s worth it though. It is. Right? Hahahah.

    • @joramk
      @joramk Год назад +3

      @@johnsheetz6639 where did you spend the money? seeds and water are just a few bucks, then maybe a net and some sticks....

    • @johnsheetz6639
      @johnsheetz6639 Год назад +4

      @@joramk I have to buy soil landlord doesn't want me to dig.😔

    • @joramk
      @joramk Год назад +2

      @@johnsheetz6639 ouch! that sucks!

  • @charliew9515
    @charliew9515 6 месяцев назад +10

    As a retired Apple engineer - I think videos like this video exemplifies the best of what is possible on the internet.. Damn fine video. 402 thumbs up!

  • @theawesomeguy9999
    @theawesomeguy9999 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much for this informative test! Very validating lol. I make a lot of pizza from scratch and have subconsciously come to the same conclusions as you did. Wasn't sure about San Marzano vs Roma at first but they're definitely the way to go. I have used generic whole peel romas that weren't great, fresh romas that I peeled myself which were better flavor wise but still watery and a lot more work, and the authentic San Marzanos from Italy and it just made better tasting, thicker sauce. Made the switch to Cento about a year ago. One time I did a double batch with half Cento and half romas from the store I peeled myself and it came out really good if you want to try something different/special

  • @rohankamath88
    @rohankamath88 Год назад +111

    I literally spent an hour in the tomato aisle last weekend contemplating this and not knowing what the tradeoffs are in practice. Thank you SO MUCH for this video.

    • @swordchaos1181
      @swordchaos1181 Год назад +5

      I'm curious to know what you did in that hour 🤔

    • @nlsantiesteban
      @nlsantiesteban Год назад +2

      @@swordchaos1181 yes, a literal hour. Were they building forts from the tomato cans?

    • @kgsniper4850
      @kgsniper4850 Год назад

      💀

    • @ericeandco
      @ericeandco 2 месяца назад

      I did that once. I wanted real tomato not paste and the fewest ingredients available. I can tweak the sauce to how I like it. It takes a while to read the ingredients. Cost is also a factor and should be.

  • @laurabagley3115
    @laurabagley3115 Год назад +71

    Exactly what I’m asking myself every time I buy canned tomatoes. Thanks for doing all the legwork!!

    • @FREE-CoolMathGames
      @FREE-CoolMathGames Год назад

      🧡

    • @saysoun752
      @saysoun752 Год назад +1

      I never ask, I just go straight for the San Marzano, pay the extra price and know that my sauce will be heavenly.

  • @rollout1984
    @rollout1984 Год назад +2

    Thank you for this. I always have a variety of canned tomatoes on hand (whole, diced, crushed, paste) typically the store brand. For the first time ever I actually looked at the ingredients and looked cfor calcium chloride.

  • @PTEC3D
    @PTEC3D Год назад +1

    This has been a pretty definitive test, and thank you for making this video. I definitely enjoyed it. However I'd like to offer an insight of mine. Where I am we don't have a large range of products to choose from, but one of my distant Italian/Austrian relatives offered me a solution I've used since then: Blending. Choose what you find the best of the tinned tomatoes you can get, the best of the tomato paste, and the best of local fresh tomatoes - and blend. And as you said in your home vs restaurant vegetables video - salt and fats (and even sugars) are your friend for adapting any tomato products. Actually - any recipe. Hope you give this a try sometime and see how this can improve even the nastier canned toms.

  • @OctagonalSquare
    @OctagonalSquare Год назад +149

    It’s also important to note, you may WANT the more acidic varieties in certain dishes, if it’s something that has very little acid elsewhere. So this isn’t necessarily a “don’t get those two” but just a know what you’re getting

    • @1958PonyBoy
      @1958PonyBoy Год назад +3

      @@RP-uu7oq Isn't adding red wine pretty much SOP when making any Italian tomato based dish?

  • @JackFrosthawk
    @JackFrosthawk Год назад +339

    The other day I tried the same kind of experiment just because I was making a big batch and had a spread of different canned tomatoes on hand. I had one generic store brand for a bit over a dollar, a "san marzano style" for about 3 dollars, and the DOP for almost 6 all going in separate saucepans (all to be combined later). Taste wise, the generics were extremely harsh and pretty much just tasted like tart acid, like it felt like it would give me heartburn. The SM style were still tart but nowhere near as acidic, and I could taste more subtle flavors. But the DOP was in a league of its own, the second it went in my mouth I could taste the difference, it's a dark, savory sweetness that isn't covered up by anything. Additionally the budget tomatoes were packed in juice rather than puree, and when that boiled off there were much less solids left over than the other types. I think if I want budget tomatoes I'll be buying crushed only from now on, so that I'm not getting gouged paying for red water. But for Italian tomato sauces I'm splurging on the DOP type from now on, home cooking is already cheaper anyway so I can afford to spend a bit more to make good food.

    • @henryc1000
      @henryc1000 Год назад +9

      I completely agree with your conclusion. To splurge is to be happy 😊

    • @joeorler4097
      @joeorler4097 Год назад +11

      100% San Marzano's are usually NEVER bitter or Harsh.....if you care about your sauce use them.

    • @halfisher3598
      @halfisher3598 Год назад +6

      Where did you find the DOP? I have Vons/albertson, walmart, sprouts, maybe a few others but not sure if I've seen DOP in any of them.

    • @JackFrosthawk
      @JackFrosthawk Год назад +4

      @@halfisher3598 I got no useful information for you I'm afraid, as a Canadian I ain't got any of the places you have and you won't have any of the places I have except for Walmart, and Walmart only carries the Cento brand that I can see. For what it's worth I get mine at deep discount supermarket FreshCo but that banner and the company as a whole is Canadian only I think. If you live in a city but can't find them in supermarkets your best bet is probably an Italian grocer if you can find one.

    • @theswede3286
      @theswede3286 Год назад +8

      @@halfisher3598You can almost definitely find them in any Italian specialty store. Just be wary of Amazon. Lot's on there labeled as DOP but they're usually not. If you have Costco's by you, they have 3-packs of the Cento for like $8 which is almost 1/2 priced compared to what you pay for them in supermarkets. Cento isn't quite as sweet as the DOP but it's nothing a tsp of sugar doesn't fix.

  • @jeanneknight4791
    @jeanneknight4791 4 месяца назад

    You are such a character. I really appreciate your experiment. Knowledge is important especially with the increase in price we see now in everything we buy.

  • @ZerozenOnes
    @ZerozenOnes 21 день назад

    Your approach reminds me of the legendary Good Eats cooking show.
    Super valuable content for kitchen enthusiasts! Thank you!

  • @shaunmoore9670
    @shaunmoore9670 Год назад +49

    I have a seafood soup/ciopinno recipe I have been making for years that uses canned tomatoes. The fish is always so expensive that I skimp on the tomatoes. This video got me to pick out a good can (on sale so no real budget hit) and I can't believe how bad I have been blowing it all this time. Thank you for these videos, easily my favorite RUclips cooking chanel.

    • @sherrimiller5258
      @sherrimiller5258 Год назад

      Care to share your recipe? I’ve always wanted to try making it.

    • @fleedermouse
      @fleedermouse Год назад +3

      We basically do a Mexican style seafood soup base in a big batch and drop whatever seafood we want in it at serving. Otherwise the fish/prawns/clams/squid gets waaay overcooked.

    • @sherrimiller5258
      @sherrimiller5258 Год назад

      @@fleedermouse That sounds delicious!

  • @SenpaiKai9000
    @SenpaiKai9000 Год назад +119

    Those Bianco DiNapoli tomatoes are god tier!!
    The Cento brand is also good and they are sold just about everywhere

    • @DanielAnchondo
      @DanielAnchondo Год назад +5

      I need to give those Bianco a try. You ever had any Stanislaus tomato products?

    • @SenpaiKai9000
      @SenpaiKai9000 Год назад +12

      @@DanielAnchondo i haven't but they;'re really popular in pizzerias!
      Whole Food is probably your easiest bet for Bianco tomatoes (:

    • @ProjectBlackweather
      @ProjectBlackweather Год назад +2

      @@DanielAnchondo The Sicilian-run Italian restaurant I worked at for multiple years used multiple varietals from Stanislaus. The sauce was so beloved by locals (And visitors, including other Italians) that I was bribed for the recipe.

    • @user-bu5xf9zh6i
      @user-bu5xf9zh6i 6 месяцев назад

      Amazon

    • @gattamom
      @gattamom 4 месяца назад +3

      Beware some Centos used to come from Argentina!

  • @simondaniel4028
    @simondaniel4028 4 месяца назад +7

    wasn't planning on watching a 23 minute vid on canned tomatoes. but i did. and im going to make some pasta sauce now. subscribed. thanks!

  • @barrycohen311
    @barrycohen311 3 месяца назад +2

    Half Italian here. All I uses is Cento San Marz. Next level, worth the couple of extra bucks.

  • @allenwiddows7631
    @allenwiddows7631 Год назад +192

    Having grown San Marzano tomatoes in my home in central Utah (among many other varieties), I can attest that this variety is one of the sweetest and pleasant tasting of them all, without the slight acidic tang that most of the others have-which, personally, I don’t mind. Obviously I don’t have the Italian volcanic soil, but the San Marzano variety is one of my favorites. We never had a chance to make a sauce, since we ate them out of hand…

    • @Ottee2
      @Ottee2 Год назад +12

      Hmm, I'm something of a tomato grower, myself. I must try to grow some San Marzano tomatoes next season.
      One time, I was at the farmer's market in Sandpoint, Idaho, and bought some heritage tomatoes from a vendor. One of them was a yellow plum tomato, which she called a 'Mennonite Tomato'. Over several seasons I grew them in my garden, and finally, one year I decided to enter them at the Fall Fair. Gotta blue ribbon!
      These Mennonite Tomatoes are less juicy, and considered better for cooking, rather than eating fresh.

    • @kdawgthechef2855
      @kdawgthechef2855 Год назад

      @@Ottee2 not surprising, those mennonites know what they’re doing when it comes to agriculture should probably just start all heirloom lines with them or the hutterites lol.

    • @rickh633
      @rickh633 Год назад +4

      Grow some Orange Wellingtons and Lemon Boys, both are outstanding varieties for eating fresh.

    • @jamaly77
      @jamaly77 Год назад

      ​@@tinkerbellfairy8974Americans are weird. San Marzano tomatoes are perfect for sauces, however they do not taste great for stuff like salads. We use other varieties for that.
      Why do you put acid in tomato cans? Typical American low quality stuff. Honestly disgusting.

    • @joansmith6844
      @joansmith6844 Год назад +2

      Yummmmm luv tomatoes mom had a huge tomato garden 🪴 that’s exactly how I ate them out of my hand ugghhh so good so organic

  • @Pi2nK
    @Pi2nK Год назад +205

    Been using Cento for years, and this absolutely makes me feel better about my choice and sticking to it. Everything from spicy Italian sausage dishes, to chili, and even a butter chicken recipe. Nice work 👏 👌 👍

    • @cdiggidy
      @cdiggidy Год назад +9

      If you see the bianco dinapoli you should try it. It's very similar to cento just more tomato forward. Source: trust me bro

    • @victorlee6129
      @victorlee6129 9 месяцев назад +9

      cento gang 💪💪💪

    • @marjoriejohnson6535
      @marjoriejohnson6535 8 месяцев назад +3

      Agreed...after I quit canning my own, I went to grocery and came home with 7 or 8 different plum tomatoes..I chose cento as the only tomato I would buy..not as good as mine but close enough for someone with no time.

    • @marjoriejohnson6535
      @marjoriejohnson6535 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@cdiggidydon't have them in any store near me.

    • @pellevastano
      @pellevastano 8 месяцев назад

      @@marjoriejohnson6535 It's crazy to think too that the Cento's, while not store brand cheap, are actually pretty competitive in price among the other SM and SM style canned tomatoes. I know it's not that much of a difference between $5 bucks a can versus $6, but depending on how many cans you buy it adds up.

  • @winros
    @winros Месяц назад

    He's very thorough! I get so much anxiety trying to pick out a brand... I'm glad he's around!

  • @B-leafer
    @B-leafer 4 месяца назад

    Really good test. This is a subject I've been interested in for a long time so, ty for bringing some clarity to the subject albeit subjective and not totally professional, yet very professionally done. Ty sir.

  • @CapriKoRn
    @CapriKoRn Год назад +126

    This is a dilemma I often have using canned tomatoes and whether or not paying extra for more high end brands are worth it. Although your test and trials aren't done in a lab, that's actually more important to me that you simply tested it as a cook in your kitchen. It's more realistic and relatable, and I truly appreciate it. I will give a few other brands a try now and see if that makes a difference in my meals. Given your results, I have no doubt other brands will yield different results, and overall better results. I love your channel, thank you for all you do.

    • @Eralen00
      @Eralen00 Год назад +10

      yeah its not "lab-tested" but i really appreciate that he did everything he reasonably could to make it a fair and balanced test, blindfolded taste test, consistency in all the recipes while only changing a single variable, same time and temperature cooking etc. The process was still very scientific (within reason of course)

    • @CapriKoRn
      @CapriKoRn Год назад +2

      @@Eralen00 Yes, exactly! I couldn't agree more. I love his channel and everything about it.

    • @carolharris2357
      @carolharris2357 Год назад

      Canned tomatoes have lycopene more than fresh ones. I love Margherita pizza. Just tomato, mozzarella slices and basil.

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      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Год назад

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  • @bretwilliams249
    @bretwilliams249 Год назад +80

    I am so glad to see this being covered! I've struggled with this for a long time and without doing a bunch of side by side comparisons I can't be certain.

  • @akk9196
    @akk9196 9 месяцев назад +5

    I'm currently growing San Marzanos for the first time this year. They need more calcium and more irrigation than your standard heirloom or cherry tomatoes, or you'll get serious end blossom rot, but these tomatoes definitely make a delicious sauce. Very sweet and savory.

  • @FastEddy396
    @FastEddy396 4 месяца назад

    Very useful video. We freeze dry fresh tomatoes as our almost exclusive preservation. The product tastes exactly as the raw produce so growing the right thing matters big time. Thanks a bunch for doing all this hard work.

  • @iggytt
    @iggytt Год назад +139

    You will probably miss this, but try Sclafani crushed tomatoes. Ingredients are salt and tomatoes, you don't have to reduce it to make pasta sauce, and it costs about 4 dollars - so pretty good on value.

    • @jasonc9061
      @jasonc9061 Год назад +9

      Sclafani whole tomatoes where by far the greatest canned tomatoes you could buy. Grown from jersey tomatoes - unbelievable. Unfotunately discontinued by B&G foods. Crushed variety is still out there but it's not as good.

    • @ryanmustain6545
      @ryanmustain6545 Год назад

      @@jasonc9061 Thank you for the info! The Italian deli down the road here carries Sclafani products exclusively, and I've always been curious about them.

    • @BevoFan1883
      @BevoFan1883 Год назад +3

      @@jasonc9061The crushed tomatoes are awesome, idk how you can say they're not good? I use them in my food religiously and they're available on Amazon by the case. I taste tested several brands from Italy when making lasagna for 100 one time. They're still head and shoulders above the rest, the crushed ones that is.This latest batch I got delivered last week which I think is this summers harvest is some of the best in a while. You should definitely try them again.

    • @borahaeist3215
      @borahaeist3215 Год назад +4

      @@BevoFan1883 he said not AS good, not that they weren't good overall

    • @jasonc9061
      @jasonc9061 Год назад

      @@BevoFan1883 the gentleman below me responded correct. I have 4 cans of the crushed in my pantry as we speak. I use one or two with a mix of rienzi or bianco di Napoli for my sauce.

  • @javaskull88
    @javaskull88 Год назад +110

    Italy’s soil is amazing. Years ago I was on highway between Rome and Naples and passed an excavated area where you could see the topsoil was at least ten feet deep, and of a rich black color due to eons of volcanic activity. Oregon has similar volcanic soil, and there produce is also excellent. I, an American, never understood why people even liked tomatoes until I ate one there. The secretin the soil.

    • @cutelittlemoose
      @cutelittlemoose Год назад +9

      Similar soil in much of central North Carolina... the volcanic activity was ages ago so it's safe to live there, but the aftereffects with almost black soil makes tomatoes and about everything else orgasmic to taste buds so long as the farmer is tending to it well (and why not since it's much cheaper to let the land do the work than dousing it in garbage... just grow plants the critters that'll steal the produce don't like being around. :)

    • @elsizzle2000
      @elsizzle2000 Год назад +8

      Similar soil in Mexico. Where I had the first tomato I actually liked. Volcanic soil is the key to better flavor

    • @bbingtube
      @bbingtube Год назад

      🦠💚

    • @Lildoc911
      @Lildoc911 Год назад

      Never like tomatoes until I lived in napoli.

    • @saoirsecameron
      @saoirsecameron 11 месяцев назад

      Oregon actually has really poor soils for the most part, as the type of volcanic eruptions we have are higher in silica and lower in minerals. The soils in the region that are rich for agriculture are primarily from alluvial activity such as the glacial Missoula floods.
      Of note though, “rich soil” doesn’t always translate to good flavor. Nutrient stress can sometimes produce some amazing tasting produce. Also, different plants require different types of soils and nutrients.

  • @Innkeeper05
    @Innkeeper05 11 месяцев назад +4

    Hi Ethan, love the videos. I highly recommend trying a food mill when processing your red sauce, as opposed to a hand blender. The result has a meatier texture. Cheers!

  • @jdd3786
    @jdd3786 10 месяцев назад

    I'm Italian and this video captivated me more than it should have.

  • @penbird77
    @penbird77 Год назад +29

    Hi, as far as I know, to reduce to much tomatoes juice product in a can of whole tomatoes is to strain the can and reduce it first to as much as you need to make your sauce the consistency you want. Then add whole tomatoes product. This way you never waste your tomatoes product! I am a Chef of over 57 years and never had a problem with the juice not wanted in the finished product. I hope this helps all of your followers to a better sauce or gravy, Italian style. Chef Joseph Mascolo (60 years as a cook and Chef) P. S. Keep up the great episodes!!!

    • @dougwilson4537
      @dougwilson4537 Год назад +4

      Thanks for that tip. I've always kept any liquid poured off, and then added some back in to top off, or thin out any sauce. It never occured to me to only use the liquid first, reduce it, then add the product. It is little things like this, that has helped me to improve my cooking over the years. Again, thanks.👨‍🍳

  • @EliteGi
    @EliteGi Год назад +61

    Yet another banger of a video! This guy is making quality videos that surpass anything else I see on youtube! A 20 minute watch for something that I can now take with me for the rest of my life. Thanks Ethan!

  • @ouou-db9pw
    @ouou-db9pw 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for the information I always watch your podcast for new info😊

  • @yeahhoo86
    @yeahhoo86 3 месяца назад +5

    For me as a home cook, price, especially now, is a big factor. I've gotten by with using the store brand, as the video pointed out once you incorporate it into other things or cook it down, the tin can and acidic taste goes away.

  • @michaelbaaron
    @michaelbaaron Год назад +23

    This was fantastic. Thanks for doing the work that I would have liked to have done, Ethan. This has been a question of mine as well, and I'm really grateful to you for your no bullshit, no frills, but thoughtful testing from various perspectives.

  • @aalever
    @aalever Год назад +50

    You inspired me, so I did my own experiment today. I cooked one batch of tomato sauce (Vincenzo's RUclips classic Italian recipe, using a basic soffritto of celerey/carrot/onion/EV olive oil - great recipe, done it about 15 times now) with San Marzano and another batch with Roma canned tomatoes. Both same brand (Mutti), both blended before being cooked out for 1 3/4 hours. Both came out delicious. SM is slightly mellower, but not by much, and we don't think many would notice. In our opinion, the benefit does not justify the extra cost (£1.35 vs £2.85 per can).
    In our opinion, there are FOUR things which make way more difference than tomato variety (assuming you don't buy cheap, watery canned tomatoes):
    1) Use lots more EV olive oil with the soffritto in the beginning - the veg flavour sticks to the fat and carries through the sauce much more;
    2) Continue to add salt until the sauce doesn't taste flat, but instead waters the back corners of your mouth (but if it tastes salty, you've added too much and ruined it);
    3) Cook for at least 1 1/2 hours until it stops tasting sour/acidic and starts tasting sweet.
    4) Use fresh basil instead of dried basil, added in the last 30 seconds of cooking.

    • @perotinofhackensack2064
      @perotinofhackensack2064 Год назад +10

      Quite a good comment. You deserve a response. You got no responses. Surprised. Thanks for sharing. Sounds logical.

    • @greg.peepeeface
      @greg.peepeeface Год назад +3

      @@perotinofhackensack2064maybe because it’s hard to tell the subjectivity to the taste test. In the vid, we can see what measures were taken although you’re right, interesting insight for an individual taste test.

  • @trefordrowne8452
    @trefordrowne8452 Год назад

    Fantastic! Thank you so much for the very helpful breakdown!

  • @PipeScholar
    @PipeScholar 3 месяца назад

    This was beautifully done, thanks for making this awesome video. Subscribed.

  • @Hoberpopkin
    @Hoberpopkin Год назад +53

    In the beginning of the video you described perfectly how I have felt before when I have had to buy tomatoes for a recipe. People told me to get actual san marzano tomatoes, but I never really understood exactly why and what the differences were. This video answered pretty much every question I've had at least one point in my life about these canned tomatoes. Great work!

  • @superdesultory
    @superdesultory Год назад +7

    Ethan, the flow of this video is so good. I think you nailed the recording of the taste tests making it clear what you were talking about. Also the sequence going from the raw product to a prepared dish is perfect! Great info and I look forward to more!

  • @lorrie2878
    @lorrie2878 3 месяца назад +1

    I love the scientific set up! Cardboard box and long straws! I love it.

  • @Iam0pti
    @Iam0pti Год назад +48

    I think one very overlooked thing in the kitchen that you could test is different varieties of black pepper. Not sure how you would do it, but I think it would be very interesting. Even more niche would be different salts!

    • @SeanQuinn4
      @SeanQuinn4 Год назад +4

      Make tea and cup them like coffee!

    • @sandralouth3103
      @sandralouth3103 Год назад +1

      I have tested pepper and find Penzey's pepper (multiple grinds) to be superior. It smells like citrus and flowers and doesn't make me sneeze as it's not full of pepper dust.

  • @xanedan4565
    @xanedan4565 Год назад +36

    You really opened my eyes with this one. I've made about 10 dishes with canned tomatoes since you posted this and whole peeled tomatoes now feel like my secret weapon. Specifically non-DOP san marzano's, which were the best I could find at my local supermarket. The flavor out of those things is so good! Thank you.

  • @4QWzbaxSzUAq9
    @4QWzbaxSzUAq9 3 месяца назад +1

    good work Ethan you answer questions I've always wondered about... eggs, olive oil , marinara sauce, etc etc 👍

  • @rykehuss3435
    @rykehuss3435 6 месяцев назад +3

    Funny how you cant even find the "Dell'alpe DOP" tomatoes in Italy. They dont exist there, its a product purely for the North American market, Walmart specifically. Tells you all you need to know about the quality of those tomatoes.

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican Год назад +96

    I admire your dedication and thoroughness. Extremely informative, contained delivery of information in an entertaining manière. It's so satisfying to watch you run these experiments, gather data, and present it. This scratches my itch to combine food and science. My family always swore by Cento and I'm very happy to see that it held its own in this test!
    Also 3:10 can we take a moment to appreciate how pretty those tins look altogether? They would be beautiful with herbs in or just nothing, placed up around a high shelf.

    • @charleyu5506
      @charleyu5506 Год назад +2

      bro I see you everywhere lol we must have similar interests

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 Год назад +1

      It’s very interesting that they have such similar color schemes and artistic style to them!

  • @gez1809
    @gez1809 Год назад +33

    I think this might be your best video yet Ethan. So helpful and loaded with information. In the UK I very rarely see San Marzano tomatoes available (I don't think I ever have, and definitely not in a supermarket) so the extra information about what to look out for and how it affects the flavour was really helpful. Really appreciate the effort you've gone into with this one.

    • @MadameCorgi
      @MadameCorgi Год назад +2

      I've only seen them in speciality Italian food shops in London

    • @pooroldpedro
      @pooroldpedro Год назад +3

      Waitrose have Mutti in some shops , personally I think "Cirio Pelati" are as good

    • @gez1809
      @gez1809 Год назад +1

      @@pooroldpedro yeah these are the two that I use regularly

    • @InnuendoXP
      @InnuendoXP Год назад

      In the UK if you don't have a Waitrose or Italian Deli nearby, there are many small specialty import businesses in the country that will ship those ingredients direct to you.

  • @tracygoode3037
    @tracygoode3037 5 месяцев назад

    Used a can of Cento San Marzanos last night in Chicken Paprikash. I love the flavor they give the sauce; it's just so good.

  • @Locane256
    @Locane256 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for doing all these testing videos! Glad you've fixed your audio inconsistency issues since filming this, too. Your newer videos are much better sound wise to me.

  • @juanmafarray7309
    @juanmafarray7309 Год назад +15

    I absolutely love this style of videos, also the way you show what to look for in a canned tomato instead of what brand to look for is really helpful for people outside the US where brands and varieties may be different. Thanks for the great content!

  • @bengoerzen712
    @bengoerzen712 Год назад +17

    Love this style of video! I find myself spending 10x the amount of time in the grocery store worrying about this exactly kind of detail over ingredients AKA I want to save money if I'm not going to truly get a better product, so finding which ingredients pays you back in the dish vs those that you can afford to purchase the more economical product.

  • @cynamin922
    @cynamin922 4 месяца назад

    Excellent video! Love the way you approached this. It's very helpful :)

  • @jilljensenliving
    @jilljensenliving 3 месяца назад +1

    This was a great video! Most informative. Thank you for taking the time and expense to make it. Ive read the comments and Cento seemed to be recommended.

  • @reggiedunlop2222
    @reggiedunlop2222 Год назад +6

    Another great video Ethan! Your production value and extensive research always provide for an informational viewing experience 👌🏼

  • @Phoenix3391
    @Phoenix3391 Год назад +12

    Thinking about you today! Was picking up some canned tomatoes and I’ve never felt more prepared and knowledgeable going down that aisle! What a rush to be able to decipher all the ingredients and know what to look for! Thank you very much ❤

  • @cccbb89767
    @cccbb89767 11 месяцев назад +1

    Tomatoe season just began here in Europe. And it’s wonderful to work with fresh Marzanos instead of canned ones

  • @MartinaValla
    @MartinaValla Год назад +13

    This was very cool and interesting to watch. I find awesome that your taste gave consistently the same results, so uh, yeah, you CAN taste the difference. Also made me realize how much easier is it to cook "good" here in Italy compared to the US since as a consumer you're more protected, meaning it's harder to find "bad" products while in the US seems more like a russian roulette and you need to be an experienced and skillful buyer.

  • @alexandrastancu735
    @alexandrastancu735 Год назад +3

    I just want to say I LOVE content like this! Testing stuff and really giving your thoughts as they come is so genuine and nice. Thanks Ethan!