I also agree, the guy who wrote Zen and the Art of Moto Maint. also wrote a second book called Lila - in which he came to the conclusion that BOTH the static and dynamic aspects of humanity are necessary to it's survival. The static part is the one in which our sense of self at the moment is preserved, sort of an anchor in this unfolding reality - and the dynamic aspects are those that explore the surroundings, both abstract and concrete and find new possibilities for growth and change. These two forces are constantly affecting one another and trying to balance, and often times gain dominion, over themselves and the opposing force, but it doesn't take a real deep thinker to see that both are probably essential to any future we may have.
What an effective shot of Andre's reflection in the mirror while Wally goes off on a wonderful tangent. Lets his expressions play off Wally's words in real time.
What happens when a fundamental materialist confronts timeless esoteric wisdom. Essentially what a lot of My Dinner is about. First saw this film 30+ years ago in college. It resonated with me when I had no life lessons to understand why. Lived those 30 years and agree with Andre's character more than ever and now can explain why.
Shawn makes a very trenchant observation: When you can't count on a cockroach-free, cold cup of coffee in the morning, you in trouble, baby. You in trouble.
The past, the future and the present exist simultaneously. Also, if I got a fortune cookie that said don't go on the flight right before the flight, I WOULDN'T"T GO!!!
Wallace Shawn seemed really nervous and overly self-aware and awkward in The Princess Bride several years later. Like he was just doing it for the money and fame by that point. He gains big money but he starts to literally degrade mentally and emotionally in the several years inbetween. Also, he's absolutely beautiful. Like a mini Michael Gove.
Yesterday an alumni group of perhaps fifty mostly older people gathered at Elm Lee Farm the first one I had been to since graduating in '62. There were many old friends obviously getting older who I enjoyed seeing and they me though I wasn't expecting to be remembered. Several times I mentioned what The New Yorker magazine had meant is the biblical scripture of our generation. A class mate of yours remarked on the complete disappearance of humor for which it had been so noted. None of them had been New Yorker contributors but all agreed how fundamental it had been. But the advertising revenue which made it possible has vanished altogether into thin air. I can recall a long black car arriving and out stepped your impeccably dressed father William who was a far cry from you then or now in appearance. I looked up on Wickepedia your classmate confidant Jonathan Schell who lived to 70 when I had thought he died at a much younger age. I hadn't read much of his work but the profile of him indicated that critics found him excessively over reactive and soon forgotten. A relook of your most notable film with Andre seemed far more a grasp of reality after lengthy far fetched diversions from him. Some years ago I caught a glimpse of you attending a concert of your brother's composition at Chapin Hall, Williams College. '
Shawn said that "I actually had a purpose as I was writing this: I wanted to destroy that guy that I played, to the extent that there was any of me there. I wanted to kill that side of myself by making the film, because that guy is totally motivated by fear. (wiki)
Humans are pretty amazing! Leads and understudies in plays memorize hours of speech and spit it all out in one go. It's certainly impressive, but a movie can be incredible not only because they memorized the script but also because they spent ages reshooting and editing to get what was first imagined.
So basically he is just saying that he concentrates on the distractions in his life. Also, there are billions of people in this world that do not have access to those basic pleasures that he mentioned. That is what we need to work for, to make sure everyone has an opportunity to these basic pleasures of life.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I absolutely think that we should be able to think about others, that we should work to make the world better for everyone. But if our sole responsibility was to helping others, who would be there to help ourselves? And if others deserve to feel comfortable simply by dint of being human, do not we, ourselves, deserve to be comfortable as well? Wallace's character is not selfish, he's not distracted or close-minded. He's a man who has found his own little niche in the society to which he was born, and lives modestly and comfortably in that niche, asking for little and taking only as much as he needs. When you blame him for focusing on his "distractions", it seems as if you are denying him the right to simply enjoy the processes of living, of waking up to a beautiful sun, of having the gift of air in one's lungs. What would you have him do? Donate all of his money to charity? Live as a monk, praying and flagellating himself, working himself to the bone so that others may enjoy the pleasures that he should deny himself? To me, that sounds like the kind of man who is so focused on his lofty ideals that he has forgotten to live in the Here and Now. And the Here and Now is so elementally important to us as human beings, as breathing, thinking, feeling animals, that to disconnect yourself from that, even if it is in the attempt to make things better for other, is a very foolish thing indeed. I believe that we all have the right to make our own way into the world, and to be happy with our own way, so long as that way does not explicitly interfere with the happiness of others. Wallace (and Andre, and me,and you) has the right to decide for himself what makes him happy and what doesn't make him happy. Who are any of us to deny him that right?
It's funny how the actor Wallace Shawn was just starting out with acting as hard as he could to get people to give him as much money as possible. Couldn't be more the opposite. It was all mostly just an excuse to show off his barely middle-aged s*xiness.
I love listening to these type of conversations, but I never hear them anymore. It's all BS about the Kardashians. Maybe more people should give up watching TV because it actually HAS turned them into robots.
Do you think people in the 80s just sat around talking like this all the time for real? They didn't. I was there, it was super fucking inane and shallow compared to now.
The thing that Endgame taught me was to solve Time Travel you needed a mobius strip inverted. That is the shape of the universe, no beginning and no end. Alpha and Omega.
Wallace Shawn talks about this impulse in his books of essays. Click on `Wallace Shawn on "The Quest for Superiority" Democracy Now 9/1/09' in the related videos - you're probably not gonna like what he has to say :)
at different points in my life from 25-28 I watched this movie. At first I could respect his perspective. Now I'm genuinely thinking what the fuck is wrong with Wallace I look around me and everyone is the same sad carbon copy automaton
Wallace just sees him disconnected from the unsiverse. He just percieve is ego. But were just interpretations of ourselves. Time is an ocean not a river, but we're only able to swim in a straight direction. Doesnt mean that the whole universe acts like this ;-)
Seed in soil, "if they are willing to accept it". Those who are not can conspire and kill but the message will reach those for whom it is sent. The rest can tear each other apart...
Predator psychology vs prey psychology. You put a lion in a tiny cage it will bash it’s head against the wall, be depressed forever. You put a giraffe in a cage and it couldn’t be happier not to have to worry about the lion.
this was boring af. what did he actually say; he likes a simple life, doesn`t expect too much from it and he doesn`t believe in destiny. and that took him almost 7 minutes to express.
oh good lord. The bald guy is a total npc. just following every rules that imprinted to his head. lol. Anyway, good thing for him to just conform to that reality.
It is extremely satisfying to witness a conversation when they are actually listening to one another
this comment is sad
same
@@nathanielarocho4327 woosh
extremely satisfying
And to never witness it ever again.
What was so great about this movie was that Andre and Wally both made great points.
+CHistrue I agree. I couldn't pick a side at the end because both viewpoints were very relatable.
I also agree, the guy who wrote Zen and the Art of Moto Maint. also wrote a second book called Lila - in which he came to the conclusion that BOTH the static and dynamic aspects of humanity are necessary to it's survival. The static part is the one in which our sense of self at the moment is preserved, sort of an anchor in this unfolding reality - and the dynamic aspects are those that explore the surroundings, both abstract and concrete and find new possibilities for growth and change. These two forces are constantly affecting one another and trying to balance, and often times gain dominion, over themselves and the opposing force, but it doesn't take a real deep thinker to see that both are probably essential to any future we may have.
Yes
easily the most daring movie ever made.
I want a restaurant like this where the servers never bother you when you're in the middle of a grand thought.
Sometimes nice restaurants only have one sitting a night, it's not about turn over .
Nothing ruins a mood faster than a 19 year old chick on adderall slamming into your conversation "aNyOnE sTiLl HaVe RoOm FoR dEsErT?!"
Have you been to Europe
just leave America, it's great
Shor
The placement of that mirror was genius
Was just thinking the same thing while watching.
And showed off the beautiful back of Wallace Shawn's head.
I brought an extra cup in case we need a extra cup.......
-Louis CK
What an effective shot of Andre's reflection in the mirror while Wally goes off on a wonderful tangent. Lets his expressions play off Wally's words in real time.
"The cookie is in no position to know." - One of the best lines ever.
No doubt.
It really has no right.
What a privilege to be a fly-on-the-wall at this conversation. If anyting, just to hear a well-spoken man speak.
💤
What happens when a fundamental materialist confronts timeless esoteric wisdom.
Essentially what a lot of My Dinner is about.
First saw this film 30+ years ago in college.
It resonated with me when I had no life lessons to understand why.
Lived those 30 years and agree with Andre's character more than ever and now can explain why.
This is a taste of what things used to be like before. “handheld devices!”
This could be Wallace Shawn talking about himself. He's a homebody, character actor and playwright and quite delighted by the simple things in life.
An almost 7 minute monologue. How do these actors remember all these lines??!! Brilliant!
It comes from the heart
The dialogue just is what it is. You either know it or you don't. The better question is "Is that actually you in the pfp". Because he is beautiful.
I assumed it was loosely scripted
They wrote the script.
Shawn makes a very trenchant observation: When you can't count on a cockroach-free, cold cup of coffee in the morning, you in trouble, baby. You in trouble.
You could just put a newspaper or regular paper or whatever on top of it.
With that kind of thinking I think it's pretty obvious how he became the grand nagus
A mand of culture!
Ahhhh there it was :) inconceivable
The past, the future and the present exist simultaneously. Also, if I got a fortune cookie that said don't go on the flight right before the flight, I WOULDN'T"T GO!!!
Incredibly unique film.
I would have loved multiple sequels to this movie
Two friends actually listening to each other and having an in-depth conversation? Inconceivable.
it's about the simple things, redundant thing's; devoid of all the hassles of what makes life such a hassle worth living.
when the interviewer asks me "why do you want to work at this company"
Outstanding film. And a brilliant, superbly acted scene. I wish more films were as civilised as this :)
Wallace Shawn seemed really nervous and overly self-aware and awkward in The Princess Bride several years later. Like he was just doing it for the money and fame by that point. He gains big money but he starts to literally degrade mentally and emotionally in the several years inbetween. Also, he's absolutely beautiful. Like a mini Michael Gove.
Why not practice thinking happy thoughts it feels better
🤩🙌🏻
What a brilliant scene
Life should be a retort of its own...
You have no idea how disappointed I was that he did not say, “inconceivable!”
He does, at 2:12. Probably this is where the idea came from. ;)
Yesterday an alumni group of perhaps fifty mostly older people gathered at Elm Lee Farm the first one I had been to since graduating in '62.
There were many old friends obviously getting older who I enjoyed seeing and they me though I wasn't expecting to be remembered.
Several times I mentioned what The New Yorker magazine had meant is the biblical scripture of our generation. A class mate of yours remarked on the complete disappearance of humor for which it had been so noted. None of them had been New Yorker contributors but all agreed how fundamental it had been. But the advertising revenue which made it possible has vanished altogether into thin air. I can recall a long black car arriving and out stepped your impeccably dressed father William who was a far cry from you then or now in appearance.
I looked up on Wickepedia your classmate confidant Jonathan Schell who lived to 70 when I had thought he died at a much younger age.
I hadn't read much of his work but the profile of him indicated that critics found him excessively over reactive and soon forgotten.
A relook of your most notable film with Andre seemed far more a grasp of reality after lengthy far fetched diversions from him. Some years ago I caught a glimpse of you attending a concert of your brother's composition at Chapin Hall, Williams College.
'
Perfect movie to watch before watching matrix
This is great
Aaaahh.. back when American movies knew how to write dialog and there was still some free thought in them.
great movie
This is the best part of the movie
Unless there's a bit where Wallace Shawn gets his bare @rse out, I'd probably agree.
It's amusing that he's talking all about science and logic, but then makes a metaphor in which turtles are laying their eggs in trees.
I think he meant turtle doves
Math Science History unravelling the mystery that all started with a big bang BANG.
2:12 --- In a few years, Wally, that's gonna be your catchphrase!
Shawn said that "I actually had a purpose as I was writing this: I wanted to destroy that guy that I played, to the extent that there was any of me there. I wanted to kill that side of myself by making the film, because that guy is totally motivated by fear. (wiki)
Humans are pretty amazing! Leads and understudies in plays memorize hours of speech and spit it all out in one go. It's certainly impressive, but a movie can be incredible not only because they memorized the script but also because they spent ages reshooting and editing to get what was first imagined.
I just don't feel that I have the need for anything more than this!
I have a feeling there was a good amount of improv in this movie.
Love that to be still true now days
This movie is certainly incredible. It is phenomenal how this movie had those colors back then.
People have always been this way , just have to get to their level to see it .
So basically he is just saying that he concentrates on the distractions in his life. Also, there are billions of people in this world that do not have access to those basic pleasures that he mentioned. That is what we need to work for, to make sure everyone has an opportunity to these basic pleasures of life.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I absolutely think that we should be able to think about others, that we should work to make the world better for everyone. But if our sole responsibility was to helping others, who would be there to help ourselves? And if others deserve to feel comfortable simply by dint of being human, do not we, ourselves, deserve to be comfortable as well?
Wallace's character is not selfish, he's not distracted or close-minded. He's a man who has found his own little niche in the society to which he was born, and lives modestly and comfortably in that niche, asking for little and taking only as much as he needs. When you blame him for focusing on his "distractions", it seems as if you are denying him the right to simply enjoy the processes of living, of waking up to a beautiful sun, of having the gift of air in one's lungs. What would you have him do? Donate all of his money to charity? Live as a monk, praying and flagellating himself, working himself to the bone so that others may enjoy the pleasures that he should deny himself? To me, that sounds like the kind of man who is so focused on his lofty ideals that he has forgotten to live in the Here and Now. And the Here and Now is so elementally important to us as human beings, as breathing, thinking, feeling animals, that to disconnect yourself from that, even if it is in the attempt to make things better for other, is a very foolish thing indeed.
I believe that we all have the right to make our own way into the world, and to be happy with our own way, so long as that way does not explicitly interfere with the happiness of others. Wallace (and Andre, and me,and you) has the right to decide for himself what makes him happy and what doesn't make him happy. Who are any of us to deny him that right?
It's funny how the actor Wallace Shawn was just starting out with acting as hard as he could to get people to give him as much money as possible. Couldn't be more the opposite. It was all mostly just an excuse to show off his barely middle-aged s*xiness.
Holy Monologue, Batman
This just made the Princess Bride even better.
conversations like this are getting less and less common because andre was right
@Robert Parker i better have no company
@@wun__ People aren't on this level anymore, way too many distractions about now, and entertainment is a circus show for mind numbing folks.
"I am the alpha and the omega". The future does send messages back.
wooow. way to cut it off without the response
Wally's a terrific actor. I would be "inconceivable" for somebody not to like him!!!
INCONTHEEVABULL!!!
Inconceivable!!!!!!!!
I love listening to these type of conversations, but I never hear them anymore. It's all BS about the Kardashians. Maybe more people should give up watching TV because it actually HAS turned them into robots.
I know, I know, I know...
They do call it television programming.
Do you think people in the 80s just sat around talking like this all the time for real?
They didn't. I was there, it was super fucking inane and shallow compared to now.
The thing that Endgame taught me was to solve Time Travel you needed a mobius strip inverted. That is the shape of the universe, no beginning and no end. Alpha and Omega.
Who is here because they went up against a Sicilian in a matter of life and death? 💀 🍷 🍷
Decades later, wallace made toy story as Rex, Andre remained in black and white colour.
When you throw out a part of your brain, don't forget there is still another part.
Anyone with half a brain knows that
this vid was planned for us to see.
Wallace Shawn talks about this impulse in his books of essays. Click on `Wallace Shawn on "The Quest for Superiority" Democracy Now 9/1/09' in the related videos - you're probably not gonna like what he has to say :)
This is the basis of the princess bride speech lol
Ken Nordine. Ah,. Pork Chops.😜👍👍🥳😝😘
Grand Nagus!
I thought that was James Cromwell, huh, who knew?!
He is Molecule man
at different points in my life from 25-28 I watched this movie. At first I could respect his perspective. Now I'm genuinely thinking what the fuck is wrong with Wallace
I look around me and everyone is the same sad carbon copy automaton
"I mean, you know...."
Watched! Yes, signalfire6, 'unobtrusives'.
The hope that hopes can flourish in the shadow of corporate fascism.... How is that working out for us now?
I agree with Wally
Wallace just sees him disconnected from the unsiverse. He just percieve is ego.
But were just interpretations of ourselves.
Time is an ocean not a river, but we're only able to swim in a straight direction.
Doesnt mean that the whole universe acts like this ;-)
I mean
You know
I mean
You know...
They both say "I mean" a lot.
Shawn wasn’t acting at all on this scene.
I don’t feel sad. I pull the cockroach out and reheat to kill the germs. I have the answers.
Damn bro. Totally savage. I like it.
Delusional
Seed in soil, "if they are willing to accept it". Those who are not can conspire and kill but the message will reach those for whom it is sent. The rest can tear each other apart...
“Inconceivable!”
In the future, some people claim to transition into trees.
Predator psychology vs prey psychology. You put a lion in a tiny cage it will bash it’s head against the wall, be depressed forever. You put a giraffe in a cage and it couldn’t be happier not to have to worry about the lion.
Man thoughts on neuroticism has not changed in at least 40 years...
See,grand nagus zek is a smart guy
Guys how long was this one scene page script lolllll...I'll say about 7 pages loll
omfg
Turtles lay eggs in trees? (6:33)
Turtle Doves
Thank you! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought this
The American Dream. You have to be asleep to believe it.
Coincidences is an ancient Hebrew word which translates, meant to be, will of God. Pay attention, no accident
imagining creates reality. there are no coincidences.
this was boring af. what did he actually say; he likes a simple life, doesn`t expect too much from it and he doesn`t believe in destiny. and that took him almost 7 minutes to express.
Princess Bride Foreshadowing?
lol
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means
Kinda looks like Karl jacobs
Nihilistic propaganda
oh good lord. The bald guy is a total npc. just following every rules that imprinted to his head. lol. Anyway, good thing for him to just conform to that reality.
What a terrible movie.
Of course Wally enjoys reading the New York Times...happy to do as told and not question too much.