Riley didn’t see Erin as a child before he died. He saw the young woman he killed with his car, and experienced a moment of forgiveness from her. All through the series, he’s been seeing her glass covered corpse. When he sacrifices himself, he sees her as a whole young woman once more.
One more observation: Monsignor Pruitt is an addict, but he doesn’t know it. Riley has been an addict for years, which is the reason he was able to resist the temptation to attack anyone for their blood. He also knew he wouldn’t be able to resist forever, so chose to sacrifice himself instead.
I'm no biblical scholar, but I believe descriptions of angels in the Bible are not the beautiful beings with feathered wings that media depicts, but rather terrifying creatures.
Biblical angels are not even corporeal beings. From what I remember, they're described as beings of light and wind and flame. I'm pretty sure the depiction of beautiful humans with feathered wings comes from the Middle Ages.
@@jthomann71 ha ha ha. Well. Artists in the Middle Ages couldn't even draw elephants or whales properly, so my expectations for accuracy are pretty low to start with. 😆
@@zammmerjammer Supposedly Pope Alexander VI had more realistic portraits of Jesus destroyed and commissioned paintings of Jesus based on his son Cesare Borgia.
I believe there are different categories of angels described in the bible. Some supposedly have a humanoid form or at least appear that way to humans, others have 6 wings & 4 faces (heads) which are man, bull, lion & eagle, and yet another type that guards God's throne in heaven has rings within rings that constantly turn or shift & the rings are lined with many eyes, can't remember if they have one set of wings or 2 sets, but yeah, some angels are supposedly crazy looking..
This show rocks so hard. Again, you are so close on some things and rather off on others. The last episode wraps it all up so well. Can't wait until next week!
Hey guys, loved the reaction & your discussion afterward.😊 I see a few people have mentioned your error in the re-cap at the start of the reaction. I'm also going to say that it was not younger Erin, but it was the girl Riley had killed. Monsignor Pruitt was reverted back to his best self, therefore does not still have dementia. Everyone who has repeatedly had the communion wine went back to their best selves: bad back cured, failing eyesight cured, dementia for both Monsignor Pruitt & Mildred cured, Leeza's paralization cured, & the older people like Mildred, Riley's parents & Leeza's parents are all younger. U know Riley's dreams that we were shown, were actually visions. In his dreams, Riley saw not only how he would die, but blood smeared all over the inside of the church, & I think he also saw a man in Monsignor Pruitt's hat & jacket standing in a storm before the storm on the island happened. Ok, about the angel thing, Monsignor Pruitt believes the creature is an angel, whether by his own choosing or not. If u remember when he looked upon it after it bit him, he saw a halo about its head & that it has wings. It could actually be a fallen angel. I believe he said he could hear the "angel's" voice saying "be not afraid" which is supposedly what the angel told Mary when it visited her to tell her she was to bear God's child. For Monsignor Pruitt, the creature did the miraculous it cured his dementia & made him young again. Plus, in the beginning, Father Paul could still go out in daylight. How could he do so if he was bitten from an actual vampire? And, I'm not talking about the "Twilight" glitter by daylight kind of vampires.🙄 Maybe they do have vampire lore in this world, it's just that this creature didn't exactly fit the lore. Well, that, & the fact that the creature could be manipulating Monsignor/Father Paul because so much of its blood was within him, basically Monsignor Pruitt is like Renfield in Dracula. Well, that's all I gotta say for now. See u at the finale.😊
2 things you may not have realized. The young woman Riley sees when he dies isn't Erin, it the woman he killed in the drunk driving incident 2. And this one isn't ever really shown. Its heavily assumed that the reason Pruitt died the way he did was because Bev poisoned him. He died the same way as the dog. Bev had the rat poison not long before it started happening but when she saw the photo in his house she most likely decided to test her theory
According to Mike Flanagan, Pruitt wasn’t poisoned - he died because he had ingested too much of the “Angel” blood. Bev is certainly capable of monstrous evil, but she apparently didn’t kill Pruitt.
@@MattCrider616 Yeah, that one shot in the musical montage in episode 3 of Bev carrying the poison really seemed to imply that she was carrying on poisoning something or someone else. And then Father Paul died in a way totally similar to the way the dog died, spitting up blood and convulsing and collapsing. I thought that too... but at the same time it made no sense that Bev would poison Father Paul. So... confusing. I think they were worried that the audience wouldn't remember what the canisters of poison look like so we wouldn't recognize them when we see them in the vestibule in this episode. But they just ended up confusing people.
@@FilmBuff54But, it makes u believe she did because right before Monsignor Pruitt "Father Paul" keels over, someone puts the rat poison back on the shelf. Bev had already returned the poison after the dog incident when Sheriff Hassan was questioning her in the storage room. So, why was it put back a 2nd time? It leads people to presume that Bev wanted to test the miracle of Monsignor being young again & doing miraculous things, like having Leeza walk again. Also, Father Paul "Monsignor" was foaming at the mouth like when Spike, the dog, died. Flanagan saying it was the consumption of vampire blood means he did a massive misdirect.
You didn’t see Riley falling in love when he burned. What you saw was the woman he killed in the drunken car crash, reaching out to him, to welcome him to death. Riley would think it’s a hallucination, but Erin might have believed it.
“There’s a real lack of critical thinking here.” Yup! But that’s one of the big themes of the show, to showcase the blind faith people have in many religious communities and cults. Literally, don’t drink the Kool-aid, aka the rat poison. Regarding the appearance of the creature as angel vs. demon. Yes, logically it doesn’t resemble anything angelic, but who can actually say they’ve seen a real angel? And then their trusted faith leader whom twists scripture to his own deluded use, why would they think anything else? I always feel so heart broken for the sheriff. Trying his best to be a good man, but having to witness losing first his wife to disease, and then his son to these falsehoods.
Wade even states it plainly: "It seems wrong to interrogate a miracle." Everyone on the island has endured such hardship and now that good things are happening, *miraculous* things, I can totally believe that people just want to take the gifts and not look too closely at them for fear they'll vanish like waking from a dream.
I'm going to sound like an aye-hole here... but here we go anyway... I rolled my eyes so hard all through Sheriff Hassan's speech. Like, oh, your plan to prove you were "one of the good ones" didn't work out? No kidding. Maybe you should have listened to your friends who told you as much from the start? I'm not criticizing the writing, just the thought process of people who actually do this. You know, MAAAAYBE your notion of dignity as being unobtrusive and "keeping your head high" has been proved to be utterly worthless. Maybe dignity means having a spine and some self-respect and calling out B.S. when you see it and holding people accountable. Like, he's been through all this with the NYPD (???) and the FBI and he's still surprised when people like Bev Keane look at him like he's Bin Laden? REALLY??? And as for his plan to move here to keep Ali safe? Welp. That didn't work out so well, did it? Even before the vampire showed up, he was getting called "Aladdin" by his classmates (and I cringe to think about Bev being his teacher). I just cannot.
I don't know if that monologue was meant to make him sound heroic? I'd be interested in the thoughts of the writer and the actor. Because to me he just sounded hopelessly naive.
@@zammmerjammer Since when does being a good person mean you are naive? Yes he was optimistic. But everything he did and said came from a good, empathetic place. I think if we appreciated people who thought like that more, we would be a better society as a whole.
@@sharpeslass5452 Since when does being a good person REQUIRE you to be naive? It doesn't -- which is my point. And they didn't appreciate him, did they? His own bosses and co-workers turned on him instantly the moment he was critical of what they were doing and punished him for being "uppity." Which is what always always *always* happens to people trying to be "one of the good ones."
Some people want to believe humanity is better than it actually is. In some instances it works out, but in others it doesn't, for Hassan it didn't work out. He was one of those people that needed to see for himself, not be told by others.
I think it made him sound "tired" more than heroic. Tired of having to deal with a situation which may in turn ostracise him yet again when he just wants to be left alone. Probably why he didn't want to get involved. And ultimately why he moved here in the first place. Ali ......is a whole different problem which just imploded in front of his face.
Riley didn’t see Erin as a child before he died. He saw the young woman he killed with his car, and experienced a moment of forgiveness from her.
All through the series, he’s been seeing her glass covered corpse. When he sacrifices himself, he sees her as a whole young woman once more.
One more observation: Monsignor Pruitt is an addict, but he doesn’t know it. Riley has been an addict for years, which is the reason he was able to resist the temptation to attack anyone for their blood.
He also knew he wouldn’t be able to resist forever, so chose to sacrifice himself instead.
Ooooh good theory.
I'm no biblical scholar, but I believe descriptions of angels in the Bible are not the beautiful beings with feathered wings that media depicts, but rather terrifying creatures.
Biblical angels are not even corporeal beings. From what I remember, they're described as beings of light and wind and flame. I'm pretty sure the depiction of beautiful humans with feathered wings comes from the Middle Ages.
@@zammmerjammer Same with the descriptions of Jesus as a white man. Totally a middle ages fabrication.
@@jthomann71 ha ha ha.
Well.
Artists in the Middle Ages couldn't even draw elephants or whales properly, so my expectations for accuracy are pretty low to start with. 😆
@@zammmerjammer Supposedly Pope Alexander VI had more realistic portraits of Jesus destroyed and commissioned paintings of Jesus based on his son Cesare Borgia.
I believe there are different categories of angels described in the bible. Some supposedly have a humanoid form or at least appear that way to humans, others have 6 wings & 4 faces (heads) which are man, bull, lion & eagle, and yet another type that guards God's throne in heaven has rings within rings that constantly turn or shift & the rings are lined with many eyes, can't remember if they have one set of wings or 2 sets, but yeah, some angels are supposedly crazy looking..
This show rocks so hard. Again, you are so close on some things and rather off on others. The last episode wraps it all up so well. Can't wait until next week!
Hey guys, loved the reaction & your discussion afterward.😊 I see a few people have mentioned your error in the re-cap at the start of the reaction. I'm also going to say that it was not younger Erin, but it was the girl Riley had killed.
Monsignor Pruitt was reverted back to his best self, therefore does not still have dementia. Everyone who has repeatedly had the communion wine went back to their best selves: bad back cured, failing eyesight cured, dementia for both Monsignor Pruitt & Mildred cured, Leeza's paralization cured, & the older people like Mildred, Riley's parents & Leeza's parents are all younger.
U know Riley's dreams that we were shown, were actually visions. In his dreams, Riley saw not only how he would die, but blood smeared all over the inside of the church, & I think he also saw a man in Monsignor Pruitt's hat & jacket standing in a storm before the storm on the island happened.
Ok, about the angel thing, Monsignor Pruitt believes the creature is an angel, whether by his own choosing or not. If u remember when he looked upon it after it bit him, he saw a halo about its head & that it has wings. It could actually be a fallen angel. I believe he said he could hear the "angel's" voice saying "be not afraid" which is supposedly what the angel told Mary when it visited her to tell her she was to bear God's child. For Monsignor Pruitt, the creature did the miraculous it cured his dementia & made him young again. Plus, in the beginning, Father Paul could still go out in daylight. How could he do so if he was bitten from an actual vampire? And, I'm not talking about the "Twilight" glitter by daylight kind of vampires.🙄 Maybe they do have vampire lore in this world, it's just that this creature didn't exactly fit the lore. Well, that, & the fact that the creature could be manipulating Monsignor/Father Paul because so much of its blood was within him, basically Monsignor Pruitt is like Renfield in Dracula.
Well, that's all I gotta say for now. See u at the finale.😊
Oooohh I like the Renfield theory. Interesting🤔
@@RamblersInc I forgot to add that the only real difference between Renfield & Monsignor Pruitt is the Monsignor becomes an actual vampire.
2 things you may not have realized. The young woman Riley sees when he dies isn't Erin, it the woman he killed in the drunk driving incident
2. And this one isn't ever really shown. Its heavily assumed that the reason Pruitt died the way he did was because Bev poisoned him. He died the same way as the dog. Bev had the rat poison not long before it started happening but when she saw the photo in his house she most likely decided to test her theory
According to Mike Flanagan, Pruitt wasn’t poisoned - he died because he had ingested too much of the “Angel” blood. Bev is certainly capable of monstrous evil, but she apparently didn’t kill Pruitt.
@FilmBuff54 Really? That surprises me. But ok.
@@MattCrider616 They were asked because lots of people assumed Bev poisoned him, but they said she didn’t.
@@MattCrider616 Yeah, that one shot in the musical montage in episode 3 of Bev carrying the poison really seemed to imply that she was carrying on poisoning something or someone else. And then Father Paul died in a way totally similar to the way the dog died, spitting up blood and convulsing and collapsing. I thought that too... but at the same time it made no sense that Bev would poison Father Paul. So... confusing.
I think they were worried that the audience wouldn't remember what the canisters of poison look like so we wouldn't recognize them when we see them in the vestibule in this episode. But they just ended up confusing people.
@@FilmBuff54But, it makes u believe she did because right before Monsignor Pruitt "Father Paul" keels over, someone puts the rat poison back on the shelf. Bev had already returned the poison after the dog incident when Sheriff Hassan was questioning her in the storage room. So, why was it put back a 2nd time? It leads people to presume that Bev wanted to test the miracle of Monsignor being young again & doing miraculous things, like having Leeza walk again. Also, Father Paul "Monsignor" was foaming at the mouth like when Spike, the dog, died. Flanagan saying it was the consumption of vampire blood means he did a massive misdirect.
It's not Erin, it's the girl he hit
You didn’t see Riley falling in love when he burned. What you saw was the woman he killed in the drunken car crash, reaching out to him, to welcome him to death.
Riley would think it’s a hallucination, but Erin might have believed it.
“There’s a real lack of critical thinking here.” Yup! But that’s one of the big themes of the show, to showcase the blind faith people have in many religious communities and cults. Literally, don’t drink the Kool-aid, aka the rat poison.
Regarding the appearance of the creature as angel vs. demon. Yes, logically it doesn’t resemble anything angelic, but who can actually say they’ve seen a real angel? And then their trusted faith leader whom twists scripture to his own deluded use, why would they think anything else?
I always feel so heart broken for the sheriff. Trying his best to be a good man, but having to witness losing first his wife to disease, and then his son to these falsehoods.
I feel even worse for Ali, his son.
Wade even states it plainly: "It seems wrong to interrogate a miracle."
Everyone on the island has endured such hardship and now that good things are happening, *miraculous* things, I can totally believe that people just want to take the gifts and not look too closely at them for fear they'll vanish like waking from a dream.
It could be an angel, just a fallen one.
I agree. Blind faith is a massive theme in this show.
I'm going to sound like an aye-hole here... but here we go anyway...
I rolled my eyes so hard all through Sheriff Hassan's speech. Like, oh, your plan to prove you were "one of the good ones" didn't work out? No kidding. Maybe you should have listened to your friends who told you as much from the start?
I'm not criticizing the writing, just the thought process of people who actually do this.
You know, MAAAAYBE your notion of dignity as being unobtrusive and "keeping your head high" has been proved to be utterly worthless. Maybe dignity means having a spine and some self-respect and calling out B.S. when you see it and holding people accountable.
Like, he's been through all this with the NYPD (???) and the FBI and he's still surprised when people like Bev Keane look at him like he's Bin Laden? REALLY???
And as for his plan to move here to keep Ali safe? Welp. That didn't work out so well, did it? Even before the vampire showed up, he was getting called "Aladdin" by his classmates (and I cringe to think about Bev being his teacher).
I just cannot.
I don't know if that monologue was meant to make him sound heroic?
I'd be interested in the thoughts of the writer and the actor. Because to me he just sounded hopelessly naive.
@@zammmerjammer Since when does being a good person mean you are naive? Yes he was optimistic. But everything he did and said came from a good, empathetic place. I think if we appreciated people who thought like that more, we would be a better society as a whole.
@@sharpeslass5452 Since when does being a good person REQUIRE you to be naive? It doesn't -- which is my point.
And they didn't appreciate him, did they? His own bosses and co-workers turned on him instantly the moment he was critical of what they were doing and punished him for being "uppity." Which is what always always *always* happens to people trying to be "one of the good ones."
Some people want to believe humanity is better than it actually is. In some instances it works out, but in others it doesn't, for Hassan it didn't work out. He was one of those people that needed to see for himself, not be told by others.
I think it made him sound "tired" more than heroic. Tired of having to deal with a situation which may in turn ostracise him yet again when he just wants to be left alone. Probably why he didn't want to get involved. And ultimately why he moved here in the first place.
Ali ......is a whole different problem which just imploded in front of his face.