I'm thinking your "atheist friend" doesn't understand what Atheism is, obviously you don't so. Atheists take the position of not believing that a God exists. Unless you have proof of the opposite there is nothing to discuss. So unless you can provide proof of an existing God talking about genetics is meaningless, etc etc.
Jeremiah 1,5: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Psalms 139,13: "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb." According to the Bible Yahweh designed and manufactured Hitler. Carefully and deliberately.
1. Psalm 51:5 - "Behold, I was shapen iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." 2. Romans 5:12 - "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." 3. Ephesians 2:3 - "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." These verses illustrate the biblical teaching that humans are born with a sinful nature and are inclined towards evil from the very beginning. 1. James 1:13 - "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." 2. 1 John 1:5 - "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 3. 1 Corinthians 14:33 - "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." These verses emphasize that God is not the source of temptation, evil, or sin. Instead, they point to His holiness, righteousness, and the fact that He is a God of peace and light.
@@PastorFeagan Read the verses below, pastor. Isaiah 45. 7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil. Everything was created by god. Good and evil . And if we are born with a sinful nature, well, whom to blame, but the creator?
This is a common surface reading/surface interpretation of the text. God is the author of “light” and “peace.” He permits “evil,” whether moral or material, that men and angels may witness the result of a departure from the eternal principles of right (see on Dan. 4:17). In Scripture God is often represented as causing that which He does not prevent (see on 2 Chron. 18:18).
He won't admit that nor will he give a response. Let's see what kind of apologist he is. He's posing as a pastor but most pastors are really not too swift. I was a Christian for 34 years. I've run into people like this guy many times.
We know the mind of God by what is revealed to us by His word. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The Bible is accurate. Apparent surface contradictions are resolved by comparing texts and historical contexts from Genesis to Revelation.
@gmac6503 So you were a Christian. You left the faith to go and attack those who espouse it? Were you mistreated by a professed Christian? Did you get discouraged? The saying goes that hurting people hurt others... On behalf of any Christian who may have hurt you or treated you unfairly, I apologize. Jesus is love and He loves you. I love you and want you saved. Please come back to Christ. ❤🎉
@@PastorFeagan I guess you're not gonna answer my questions. Now he's gonna make up stuff on why I left and all this other BS. lol Dude, you may be fooling the naïve believers that follow you but the more they study they're gonna see what you really are. The same old BS oh somebody hurt you oh your God oh somebody died in your family. You're full of crap dude and you've been called out. I read the Bible more than everybody in this chat room combined the first two years I was saved. Maybe next time you could ask why somebody leaves but then you'd be afraid that other people would see it. I've met so many of you in person and I really don't know how you get away with it because even when I was a believer I could tell they didn't know anything So keep on keeping on with your BS story and your insinuations on why I left. You're a fool
@@PastorFeagan you are so full of crap and it shows and I don't know how anybody could even believe you. I'm not attacking anybody. I'm encouraging people to study the Bible and go deeper and read scholarship and challenge apologists like you who BS all the time. Your whole made up story in your head on why I left Christianity is so full of holes and you get something in your head just like the video you made and you erect the strawman and then you knock it down. I study more than you. I still study more than you. I read the Bible more than you. I spend more money on Books than you. You don't have a clue and you're a liar. People like you don't even bother asking why someone left and if you knew anything about former Christians they knew about the Bible and studied it more fervently than people like you and that's why they left. but it doesn't mean they stop studying. Some are sad. Some are bitter. They look back on their life and they say to themselves why didn't I study more? Why didn't I dig deeper? Why did I listen to this pastor apologist that lied and didn't tell me about all the problems with the Bible? And that's what I'm trying to prevent. So again you're wrong and you're not gonna give me your credentials and you're a phony and I'm looking into you a little bit deeper and that's all I'm gonna say for now
Another pastor who has a pre-kindergarten theology. Doesn't have to work for a living, knows very little about his bible, tax free and gets the ignorant to pay him. Sad!
1. Two bachelor's and Mastors Degree - post kindergarten 2. Masters in Religion 3. I pay taxes 4. I work for a living Your unkind criticism and assumptions are an outgrowth of prejudice and ignorance.
@@PastorFeagan is your dissertation available? You know exactly what I'm talking about when I mentioned Taxes and working. James White claims a PhD but it's fake. Where did you get your degrees? I commented as I did because your video was very uninformed and lacked any scholarly points. You're so-called discussion with an atheist was BS. BS in the sense of picking low fruit even if it did happen. You have an issue with atheists and acted childish as in kindergarten-ish. Do you get it now? There's also an issue with so-called degrees in seminaries and you know that. Anybody can get one. Even when they get one it doesn't mean anything so please answer if you're dissertation is available and where you got your degrees. Thank you
@@PastorFeagan instead of inventing a story about your conversation with a low hanging fruit atheist who apparently didn't know anything why don't you really address the biblical scholars who may or may not be atheists or scientists who are atheist who have valid points and present their cases very well? Why are you pretending to have conversations with someone who doesn't know anything about the Bible? many atheists were former Christians for many years. People like Ehrman and dozens of others. Also scholars that are still Christian like Dale C Allison and many others. Why don't you present their arguments? That so-called atheist didn't know anything. I will have to say that your response to that strawman wasn't too persuasive either Can't wait to read your dissertation. If your CV is available give me the link. Thanks. There's a lot of James White's around so it's always good to check so-called degrees. Apologists purchase them and are readily available
@@PastorFeagan I hope you're not going to Psalms 14 and 53 for your version of atheism. Because those verses aren't dealing with atheism. An atheist is someone who sees no evidence for God but is open. There are hard atheists who claim there is no God but the burden of proof would be on them to prove that there is no God and they can't do that just like believers or theists can't prove that there is a God. So again, why don't you take good arguments from people who don't believe in your God and deal with those? I'm still looking for your dissertation so send it soon I hope. I'm doing some background checking on your other claims.
There's plenty of believers who disagree with him. No point in calling people atheists. Poisoning the well is the apologist tactic. This guy is clueless
Bad apologists also make atheists. That's why I warn people because when you spend anywhere from 5 to 35 years as a Christian and find out the apologists/pastors lied to you you look back on your life and say "I don't trust anybody". That's why I'm doing what I'm doing. Go to the biblical scholars and read Academia
@gmac6503 There is a vast difference between how actual biblical scholars understand the bible in its proper historical context and how pastors who view themselves as fulfilling the great commission and rely on the bible for thier livelihood understand it.
@@QuintonjChambers yeah, I know that. You can't tell from what I've been writing? Apologists twist the Scriptures to make it fit their theology. That means they're dishonest and that's another reason why I'm writing which I guess you didn't pick up on. Biblical scholars are honest with the text. They don't have a theology that they have to adhere to nor do they have a signed statement of faith. They're more honest and there are excellent conversations between them. With the theologians and apologists who twist the Bible into making it mean what they want it to mean they just most of the time just call anyone who disagrees with them a heretic or they'll call an atheist a name and then claim that they got hurt by the church or they're mad at God. See the difference? Stick with the biblical scholars. I have commentaries from all the major publishers. Since I was a Christian for 34 years, I have many, many commentaries by believers. My first set was John Owens 16 volumes and I have everything by John Calvin so in the years that have passed since then I have an apartment full of books.
@@QuintonjChambers yeah, the ones relying on the Bible for their livelihood are not honest because if they were they would first of all read the biblical scholars, and then they would let others know and recommend those books and allow them to make their own decisions on which way they lean. it isn't that biblical scholars are going to lead them into atheism like this dude thinks. They don't have to make up doctrines like inerrancy and infallibility, and say Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, and the prophecy of Tyre was not a correct prophecy, because it never happened and also Daniel was written in the second century BCE. They lie and twist the Bible like apologists are supposed to do. That should be a sin in their mind, but it is ok for them, because as you say, they're fulfilling the great commission, which makes their son even worse. There are pastors who don't know what the biblical scholars are saying, so that's why I recommend critical biblical scholarship. Apologists will never or rarely talk about God condoning slavery, and not caring about rape and slaughter of innocents and children, and keeping the virgins for themselves which he commanded many times. Biblical scholars deal with that. Apologists wash it over with murky water and try to hide it. When it comes to the divine Council or the many gods that were worshiped, they don't even deal with it. Apologists who know better are scum.
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I'm thinking your "atheist friend" doesn't understand what Atheism is, obviously you don't so. Atheists take the position of not believing that a God exists. Unless you have proof of the opposite there is nothing to discuss. So unless you can provide proof of an existing God talking about genetics is meaningless, etc etc.
Jeremiah 1,5:
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Psalms 139,13:
"For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb."
According to the Bible Yahweh designed and manufactured Hitler. Carefully and deliberately.
1. Psalm 51:5 - "Behold, I was shapen iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."
2. Romans 5:12 - "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
3. Ephesians 2:3 - "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."
These verses illustrate the biblical teaching that humans are born with a sinful nature and are inclined towards evil from the very beginning.
1. James 1:13 - "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
2. 1 John 1:5 - "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."
3. 1 Corinthians 14:33 - "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
These verses emphasize that God is not the source of temptation, evil, or sin. Instead, they point to His holiness, righteousness, and the fact that He is a God of peace and light.
@@PastorFeagan
Read the verses below, pastor.
Isaiah 45. 7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil.
Everything was created by god. Good and evil . And if we are born with a sinful nature, well, whom to blame, but the creator?
@@JD-ro7xethat’s what I’m saying lol it’s like they completely ignore that
@@JD-ro7xelike he’s the creator who else is there to blame for the world ending up like this
This is a common surface reading/surface interpretation of the text. God is the author of “light” and “peace.” He permits “evil,” whether moral or material, that men and angels may witness the result of a departure from the eternal principles of right (see on Dan. 4:17). In Scripture God is often represented as causing that which He does not prevent (see on 2 Chron. 18:18).
How do you know what God is thinking? The Bible isn't accurate
He won't admit that nor will he give a response. Let's see what kind of apologist he is. He's posing as a pastor but most pastors are really not too swift. I was a Christian for 34 years. I've run into people like this guy many times.
We know the mind of God by what is revealed to us by His word. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The Bible is accurate. Apparent surface contradictions are resolved by comparing texts and historical contexts from Genesis to Revelation.
@gmac6503 So you were a Christian. You left the faith to go and attack those who espouse it? Were you mistreated by a professed Christian? Did you get discouraged? The saying goes that hurting people hurt others...
On behalf of any Christian who may have hurt you or treated you unfairly, I apologize. Jesus is love and He loves you. I love you and want you saved. Please come back to Christ. ❤🎉
@@PastorFeagan I guess you're not gonna answer my questions. Now he's gonna make up stuff on why I left and all this other BS. lol Dude, you may be fooling the naïve believers that follow you but the more they study they're gonna see what you really are. The same old BS oh somebody hurt you oh your God oh somebody died in your family. You're full of crap dude and you've been called out.
I read the Bible more than everybody in this chat room combined the first two years I was saved. Maybe next time you could ask why somebody leaves but then you'd be afraid that other people would see it. I've met so many of you in person and I really don't know how you get away with it because even when I was a believer I could tell they didn't know anything
So keep on keeping on with your BS story and your insinuations on why I left. You're a fool
@@PastorFeagan you are so full of crap and it shows and I don't know how anybody could even believe you. I'm not attacking anybody. I'm encouraging people to study the Bible and go deeper and read scholarship and challenge apologists like you who BS all the time. Your whole made up story in your head on why I left Christianity is so full of holes and you get something in your head just like the video you made and you erect the strawman and then you knock it down. I study more than you. I still study more than you. I read the Bible more than you. I spend more money on Books than you. You don't have a clue and you're a liar. People like you don't even bother asking why someone left and if you knew anything about former Christians they knew about the Bible and studied it more fervently than people like you and that's why they left. but it doesn't mean they stop studying. Some are sad. Some are bitter. They look back on their life and they say to themselves why didn't I study more? Why didn't I dig deeper? Why did I listen to this pastor apologist that lied and didn't tell me about all the problems with the Bible? And that's what I'm trying to prevent. So again you're wrong and you're not gonna give me your credentials and you're a phony and I'm looking into you a little bit deeper and that's all I'm gonna say for now
Another pastor who has a pre-kindergarten theology. Doesn't have to work for a living, knows very little about his bible, tax free and gets the ignorant to pay him. Sad!
1. Two bachelor's and Mastors Degree - post kindergarten
2. Masters in Religion
3. I pay taxes
4. I work for a living
Your unkind criticism and assumptions are an outgrowth of prejudice and ignorance.
@@PastorFeagan is your dissertation available? You know exactly what I'm talking about when I mentioned Taxes and working. James White claims a PhD but it's fake. Where did you get your degrees?
I commented as I did because your video was very uninformed and lacked any scholarly points.
You're so-called discussion with an atheist was BS. BS in the sense of picking low fruit even if it did happen. You have an issue with atheists and acted childish as in kindergarten-ish. Do you get it now?
There's also an issue with so-called degrees in seminaries and you know that. Anybody can get one. Even when they get one it doesn't mean anything so please answer if you're dissertation is available and where you got your degrees. Thank you
@@PastorFeagan instead of inventing a story about your conversation with a low hanging fruit atheist who apparently didn't know anything why don't you really address the biblical scholars who may or may not be atheists or scientists who are atheist who have valid points and present their cases very well? Why are you pretending to have conversations with someone who doesn't know anything about the Bible? many atheists were former Christians for many years. People like Ehrman and dozens of others. Also scholars that are still Christian like Dale C Allison and many others. Why don't you present their arguments? That so-called atheist didn't know anything. I will have to say that your response to that strawman wasn't too persuasive either
Can't wait to read your dissertation. If your CV is available give me the link. Thanks. There's a lot of James White's around so it's always good to check so-called degrees. Apologists purchase them and are readily available
@@PastorFeagan i'm looking up your salary and your church right now.
@@PastorFeagan I hope you're not going to Psalms 14 and 53 for your version of atheism. Because those verses aren't dealing with atheism. An atheist is someone who sees no evidence for God but is open. There are hard atheists who claim there is no God but the burden of proof would be on them to prove that there is no God and they can't do that just like believers or theists can't prove that there is a God. So again, why don't you take good arguments from people who don't believe in your God and deal with those? I'm still looking for your dissertation so send it soon I hope. I'm doing some background checking on your other claims.
This topic might have been better served with an, "I dont know." Bad apologetics emboldens the atheists.
There's plenty of believers who disagree with him. No point in calling people atheists. Poisoning the well is the apologist tactic. This guy is clueless
Bad apologists also make atheists. That's why I warn people because when you spend anywhere from 5 to 35 years as a Christian and find out the apologists/pastors lied to you you look back on your life and say "I don't trust anybody". That's why I'm doing what I'm doing. Go to the biblical scholars and read Academia
@gmac6503 There is a vast difference between how actual biblical scholars understand the bible in its proper historical context and how pastors who view themselves as fulfilling the great commission and rely on the bible for thier livelihood understand it.
@@QuintonjChambers yeah, I know that. You can't tell from what I've been writing? Apologists twist the Scriptures to make it fit their theology. That means they're dishonest and that's another reason why I'm writing which I guess you didn't pick up on. Biblical scholars are honest with the text. They don't have a theology that they have to adhere to nor do they have a signed statement of faith. They're more honest and there are excellent conversations between them. With the theologians and apologists who twist the Bible into making it mean what they want it to mean they just most of the time just call anyone who disagrees with them a heretic or they'll call an atheist a name and then claim that they got hurt by the church or they're mad at God. See the difference? Stick with the biblical scholars. I have commentaries from all the major publishers. Since I was a Christian for 34 years, I have many, many commentaries by believers. My first set was John Owens 16 volumes and I have everything by John Calvin so in the years that have passed since then I have an apartment full of books.
@@QuintonjChambers yeah, the ones relying on the Bible for their livelihood are not honest because if they were they would first of all read the biblical scholars, and then they would let others know and recommend those books and allow them to make their own decisions on which way they lean. it isn't that biblical scholars are going to lead them into atheism like this dude thinks. They don't have to make up doctrines like inerrancy and infallibility, and say Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, and the prophecy of Tyre was not a correct prophecy, because it never happened and also Daniel was written in the second century BCE. They lie and twist the Bible like apologists are supposed to do. That should be a sin in their mind, but it is ok for them, because as you say, they're fulfilling the great commission, which makes their son even worse. There are pastors who don't know what the biblical scholars are saying, so that's why I recommend critical biblical scholarship. Apologists will never or rarely talk about God condoning slavery, and not caring about rape and slaughter of innocents and children, and keeping the virgins for themselves which he commanded many times. Biblical scholars deal with that. Apologists wash it over with murky water and try to hide it. When it comes to the divine Council or the many gods that were worshiped, they don't even deal with it. Apologists who know better are scum.