Springfield Prodigy 1911 DS - Watch this First
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- So the Springfield Prodigy 1911DS...this was a rocky start and in my first video I shared my experience and disappointment. This took some work and I understand the fan boys may not agree, but out of the box it was not good to go. I want this to be a great handgun for the market but it needed some work. I go over what issues I found, how I fixed them and most important...does it run now?
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My first video on the Prodigy: • Springfield Prodigy 19...
New to 2011/1911 guns? Check this out: • Staccato 2011 New Shoo...
My experience isn't unique, respected trainier and gunsmith Hilton Yam at @108Performance
shares his experience here: • 10-8 Performance Lab, ...
00:00 - Start
01:18 - Your Mileage May Vary
02:22 - Does it work now?
03:10 - What to expect if you buy one? What are some common issues?
04:13 - What about Springs?
05:24 - What did I have to do?
07:07 - Dawson Tool-less Guide Rod
09:14 - Magazines
12:08 - What do you want to know - questions???
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Got the 4 1/4 inch version last week. Love it! My son has the 5” version. I put the first 60 rounds through it with no issues.
That being said 1911 style guns are like the Chevy 350. Everybody makes parts for them and when you get one tuned just right you won’t want to shoot anything else.
You will want to buy more of them.😮
I’m just a regular guy that likes to shoot pistols. I’m not sponsored by anybody. Ha ha! I wish. Ha ha!
Same here. Adjusted trigger, EGW disco and sear, slide catch, magwell and Dawson 11 lbs. spring with shock buffer and not one single failure after 1300 rounds. It has created a love for 1911's for me as well as made my Prodigy my fave gun. Period. 🙂
@@TheAmerican1963 Nice! Since my last post I’ve added the Atlas tool less guide rod and shock buffer, Wilson Combat Low Lever thumb safety, and the Harrison Design Ignition kit with the true radius sear to my 4.25. Waiting for the EGW slide lock and grip safety to come back in stock. Are we having fun yet 😂
5” has 160 rd.s now. 4.25 @ 300 rd.s. No issues with either. Hopefully get 200 rd.s through the 4.25 this afternoon.
@@alangwin3891 NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Have the 5” ds and love it! Zero issues. Added right off heavier recoil spring. Its a nail driver!
Just picked up a 4.25” prodigy. 100% reliable so far. At shot show Springfield acknowledged some of the issues and mentioned that it had to do with slide weight and spring weight. Seems like they’ve identified and resolved the issues.
I think the 4.25 is the better gun for sure.
This is ridiculous. Y’all remember Kimber had a bunch of complaints about their 1911’s? Then they are like well did you pass the break in period yet? Same thing applies here. I bought the SA prodigy 4.5” and went in with the general understanding that 1) These guns can be picky with ammo and 2) There is an amount of ammo I need to fire to break it in. Half way through the first mag I had a failure to seat into battery. Not uncommon for a new gun. Second mag same thing happened. Roger that. 3rd mag I had 3 light primer strikes. This was due to the crappy bps ammo I was shooting. Had the same issue with that ammo with my P320 xcarry legion. Switched to blazer 115gr and didn’t have an issue firing 200 rounds first day. Took it home. Cleaned it thoroughly. If I charged the slide just right and very slowly,I could get it to stick in the disconnector. Went back to the range the next weekend. Shot 300 rounds of white box Winchester. Zero malfunctions. Took it home and cleaned it. Noticed that the disconnector didn’t hang up anymore. Ive shot about 1200 rounds through it so far and only had those few malfunctions in the first 3 mags. You don’t need to do anything special to this gun other than break it in. If you want something out of the box that’s battle ready, buy a glock. If there is something wrong after the first couple hundred rounds, use the warranty you paid for. From what I’ve seen, SA has done an amazing job with their warranty with good turnaround times. This is a fine gun for the price. And it’s priced perfectly. It feels $1000 cheaper than a staccato but there are ways to help that. I replaced most the mem parts with Wilson combat (hammer, strut, sear) and though it’s not staccato quality, it’s much better than stock.
Bottom line, break in you pistol and find the right ammo first.
Just purchased my DS last week. Put 200 round through at indoor range. Its my first true "range/target" semi-auto. All my others are Glocks, XDs .40 and 9MM Taurus G2 for EDC. As soon as I went through one mag, the smile on my face was ear to ear. WOW. I Did have 3-4 duds. I ejected them and continued shooting. Range master got one of them and noticed no mark from firing pin. Wr agreed that sometimes new pistols need to "break in". After the last misfire, the next 150 rounds or so were good to go, not one more misfire. Ammo? Gun? Who really know. I was using new brass, not cheap still or reloads. This pistol is accurate and so nice to shot. like stated, all my other handguns are the polymer run and gun tacti-cool "combat" type. I have never shoot a pistol that was so smooth, with minimal recoils and back on target. I love my Springfields! My 40 XD has tens of thousands of rounds thought it since I bought it in 2005, all stock, no issues ever. I have M1A, I call it the boom stick, awesome awesome rifle.
Great video! I haven’t had a lot of the same issues that people have been having, but I haven’t put mine through it’s paces like others have. I have been hearing a lot about the disconnect or and mainspring/guide rod. One video I watched had a guy that is positive that the issue is actually with the cerakote finish on the surfaces that mate the slide with the frame. I will post here so people can watch an consider that possibility. The one reason I think he might be onto something is because all of the issues I have been watching that talk about alot of problems indicate that the issue was not immediate. The gun needed to get hot before the issues started happening. My first thought was “well there must be some sort of heat expansion issue going on here” however, with the cerakote theory this guy indicated that the finish was simply wearing on certain parts in those areas and turning into almost a glue like substance due to the friction that was causing the gun to start malfunctioning. He remedied that by racking it like a thousand time and getting the cerakote out of those vital parts of the gun, and now the gun functions flawlessly now.
I have been saving up for over four years for a Staccato and then this comes out. Thanks to you for helping me decide, Staccato it is!
Saving 4 years for 2500 dlls is crazy💀
Thanks for a follow up on this piece. Now that you have explained the issues, i feel much better about adding this to my future purchase list.
I’m happy I got it running
Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Best review out. I’m a 2011 guy also and I like seeing others embrace the prodigy while still liking staccato and others
Thank you. My goal is to own all of the 2011s ha ha
Put a 12lb Nighthawk recoil spring in my 5”. Took about 500 rounds, but runs with no issues now with the 20 or 17 round mags. Did tune the 17 a little but not much. Disconnector is much less noticeable too. I was frustrated at first cause of the FTF’s, but with very little work it runs great. At 1500 can’t complain.
Good 2nd review. My 4.25" runs without issue after some TLC.
I have the 4.25 inch and 500 rounds in with absolutely no failures in any way. Serial 192xx. I do keep it very clean and greased up. My favorite gun I had to shoot was my CZ Scorpion. This is my new favorite by far
2,000 rounds out of mine. Not a single issue or problem. Out of the box the gun was clean thoroughly and oiled for use. I cleaned it every 500 rounds. I'm a 2011 fan and own Staccato as well.
Same. I have the 4.25 and the 5. 4.25 still hasn’t had a failure. The 5 only had 6 in the first 500 rounds. None since. I have staccatos as well. I got the 4.25 to fill the void of my 2019 staccato P. It has a 4.15” barrel and I refuse to modify it too drastically because it’s value keeps going up so much. I don’t mind modifying the prodigy, and they’re very similar in size. And I only paid $1150 for the prodigy new
I think one of the biggest issues comes from the CeraKote wearing in. I saw another video where they cycled the gun manually about 2,000 times to really smooth out the slide. No lapping compound was used. I’ve put about 400 rounds and cycled it manually another 300-400 times. I’m still getting some CeraKote residue at the back of the gun.
I had the same issue with the disconnector hanging up so I used some Tetra Lube grease on the head of the disconnector, and the hole leading to the trigger group.
The 400 rounds through my 4.25” Prodigy has been flawless so far. I wasn’t happy with the trigger so I got the drop in 1911 trigger group from Nighthawk Precision. It eliminated some critical components that were MIM parts. I also ordered an Ed Brown forged slide stop, but it doesn’t match the finish. If I was carrying this gun, I’d probably use the Ed Brown. For now, the gun is a range toy. I also put the EGW “toolless guide rod” and flat spring.
Mine runs great and I am very happy with it.
good informative video for those who bought this. Good job man
Thank you for the comment!
Good video. I’ve watched a few others like 10-8 and MAC talking about Staccatos and the Prodigy. I went with the Staccato P for my first 2011. Honestly if you can save up 1500 for a handgun you can save a few more months to get a Staccato which has proven to be a much better gun. I would not be happy to spend that much on a prodigy only to have to work on it to get it running. Especially if you have little experience with working on the platform. But to each their own.
I will pass on the Prodigy until they get the issue fixed. I would rather pay more money for a Staccato that works.
You’re not wrong, love seeing options on the market but this isn’t to staccato level
Yes I agree, if I had to do it again I would’ve bought a staccato C2. However, Springfield does take care of their customers. I got mine back and it runs great. They fixed a bunch of things. I put about 300 rounds through it and no malfunctions. Before, I couldn’t go 2-3 shots without a malfunction or jamming the gun. Off the shelf it shouldn’t have this many issues ( less break in period).
Mine runs flawlessly already got 700 rounds through it. Keeps up with my staccato just fine. Slide isn’t as smooth but everything else is the same essentially
I bought the 4.25 because I can't quite afford the cost of a Staccato, and I knew that if I got one with issues I have the know-how to get it running right... Then I got lucky and mine ran flawlessly right out of the box 🤷♂️🤣. 450 rounds so far without a failure.
Exactly. My 600 canik out the box will shoot any 9mm i run and never jams. Why the hell would i spend 1500 only to have to do surgery on the damn thing. I will get one from the 2023 batch assuming springfield addresses the issue
I just picked up my 5in Prodigy. As soon as I pulled the trigger, I knew the trigger needed some work. It had a 5 1/2 lb trigger, and dropped off my Prodigy at a Gunsmith that I know is very well versed on 1911 guns. I should pick it up in two days with a 3 lb trigger. Can't wait. Then I plan on running about 500 rounds through it this weekend. Should be good fun.
Good evening. I am just coming across this and I must say that (IMO) you have one of the best reviews of the Prodigy on RUclips right now. I just subscribed. Roger Barrera from QVO Tactical has an interesting one as well where he got the pistol working properly, but this one seems to address all the concerns of Prodigy owners. I am not a fanboy by no means, but I would like to see this pistol work. I agree that Springfield manufactures a good product, albeit not great when comparing it to a Stacatto (or other high-end manufacturers) out of the box, but I do feel as though there's a lot of unnecessary hate for the Prodigy in the comment section. Mine is currently at Springfield being reworked for similar issues (I'm keeping my fingers crossed) which leads me to my question: when experimenting with different recoil spring weights, does it make sense to add something like a shock buffer to protect the slide and frame of your pistol? I plan to do some experimentation of my own and am thinking about going that route. Thanks. Keep up the good work.
I just got mine and I luckily have yet to have any issues. Only have put 100 rounds through it but not 1 problem.
We’re ready to see
Mine has been flawless... However, I did my usual dry fire break in and clean up. I do have to admit that the disconnector was over sprung.
Got a 5in and have ran through 2500+ rounds without a hiccup.. absolutely love my prodigy.
I've had the 4.25 model for about 2 months now. Changed the slide stop/release to a 10-8 performance one and a 10lb recoil spring, have right at 900 rds thro it with one hiccup within the first 2 mags. Put a vortex viper on it till my optic plate arrives sometime in December, hopefully, for my SRO. So far very happy with the gun.
What’s the normal recoil weight for the 4.25?
@@thatshooterpapi factory 12lb
@@jnix05.56 u think u can tag the link so I can get it? Do u know if that Dawson tooless spring works on the 4.25 it says 5” on the website
@Thatblackg8 I'm not sure I bought the dawson spring itself and used factory guide rod. Will be replacing it asap tho. Spring is a touch longer but still doesn't cuase coil binding as slide comes back. Watch atlas gun works video on recoil springs and he shows how to snip coils if it does bind
Thanks for info!!
You bet thanks for watching
Sounds like from the parts side a little powdered graphite or graphite gel would smooth some of that out with a couple hundred rounds through it. I have also been wondering if the way the guide rod works if people are over or under tightening it and inducing malfunctions.
Saw a video from Robby Wheaton, about magazine issues and fixes for the prodigy. I’m new to the 19/20 11 game , but thought it was worth the watch
The check mates will be something keep an eye on
Good job😊. I was wondering how things would work out with a pistol.
The 4.25 version is perfect awesome. Flawless and smooth. A tiny little break in period and smooth as butter. Soon as you get it oil it heavy and keep it oiled and clean. It will run all day no problems. Great review.
Just picked up the 4.25 version, and noticed that the firing mechanism are all MIM parts. Undecided between EGW or Extreme Engineering parts, noticed toolmarks, etc. Which need to be polished, etc. I will be having a local gunsmith friend of mine do the trigger job and after that's done it's heading to Moonsoon Tactical to get a comp machined on... :) Nice video, going to check out 10-8, thanks~
Mine worked prefect out of the box. Thank God I took a risk and it paid off
I own both the 5 inch and 4.25 inch versions of the Prodigy. So far I haven't had any significant issues with either one. But I've only got 400 rounds or so through each of them.
I’ve heard similar reports from several sources. Kinda like Ruger single actions, not great outta the box but good foundation to build an awesome revolver on…
Just bought the 4.25 🤠👍🏻
Having been in Information Technology for 41 years, I learned not to install the first version of any database (looking at you, Oracle 😛) software - at least a release or two are needed to correct issues.
I’m weird in that I’ll watch a field stripping video before deciding to purchase a firearm. I had a Dawson Toolless guiderod installed in my BUL Armory Government 1911, which made an already good 1911 even better.
The Staccato XC has a toolless guide rod; the Prodigy is a two piece guiderod that requires a hex tool (or replacing the guiderod)
Currently, optic plates are still unavailable for the Prodigy - I want a Holosun green dot or Trijicon SRO on any 2011 I get.
There’s also the issue with magazines for the 5” Prodigy
It will be interesting seeing Gen 2 of the Prodigy
Waiting for next year’s PRODIGY gen2 they should figure out all the issues by them my friend had to send his back to Springfield armory to get all the issues fixed we shot 300 rounds thru it now it’s working good glad I held off was about to buy one😢
My Wife bought a Springfield Hellcat pro. We've put about 650 rounds through it seems to shoot low left but it might all be the trigger we've both had similar results no matter the hold.. always low left. Once the trigger finally breaks its a slight left movement
Low left is usually caused by jerking the trigger.
clean polish and polish I never have a issue with any auto pistols
If only it was just that ha ha
Great vid Brother
How much(retail) do you have in this one to get it running well?
Not much as I did the work myself, springs and a guide rod. However if you had a gunsmith do this could be a few hundred depending on rates.
So you polished the "barrel" of the disconnector?
And touched the slide rails?
Great video just pick up the 4.25 prodigy. Waiting for it to be add to my license so I can go pick it up. I would like to know more about that guide rod and if they make one for the 4.25 version.
check out the atlas 4.25 version of the rod, I believe many are running that
My 4.25 is in the mid 15K S/N range. Have 500 rnds of even mix-ish of 115-147 ball and 115-147 hollow points including crit def(115gr) and crit duty +p (135gr)...cleaned, oiled with OIL not grease....side note...replaced SA 12#? ( cant find info on it) recoil spring with Wolff 12# recoil spring. Replaced slide stop with more aggressive Wilson Combat slide stop....then fired the 500 rnd string of fire...all flawlessly.
I bought the 4.25" assuming I might need to do some work to get it running, but got lucky and got one that ran flawlessly out of the box, 450 rounds so far 🤷♂️😂. But I had hand cycled it a ton and then re-lubed it before the first shots, which I do with any gun that might have a break in period, cuz ammo is expensive but these hands are free... 🤣
Great video 👍🏻 how do you feel about the Girsan 2311 coming out and the Oracle 2311? The Girsan is supposed to retail at $999.99 and it should be out in a couple months.
I’m hoping to get one on the range and see
@@GunsandTactics yeah I don’t have too high of hopes for the Girsan but I think it’ll be worth the 1k they’re asking for it, but I’m really interested in how that new oracle 2311 is gonna run and what the aftermarket support is gonna look like.
Hey I got the 4.25 what do you suggest for a recoil spring and mainspring
Lots of good info. I’m definitely gonna stay away from the Prodigy for a while. Springfield has some issues they need to deal with. If the gun won’t function out of the box that’s a big issue. I’m seriously looking at the Staccato P as my next handgun purchase.
Let me know if you want to check mine out. I can help you when you’re ready to grab one
Mine has gone through 700 rounds with zero malfunctions. Only had it for a month so far
Got a 5 inch. Replaced the recoil spring. No issues 600 Rnds in.
What weight
Personally any new handgun i purchase i usually rack it five hundred to one thousand times before i ever fire it in other words i hand brake it in rack the slide and pull the trigger then start shooting
Great info. Thanks. Did you ever do the tear down part for part. New to 2011 and very curious
Not yet. Ill get it on the list. I have to be a little careful with YT new policy so I am not sure if we can show disassembly assembly but I will do a parts comparison.
@@GunsandTactics sounds great thank you. If you load on other platforms link them please so we can follow you there as well
It's a mess, I wish it was better but we have to be super cautious. We will be on the various platforms and the best way to get current info is on our website as we can control that.
My first magazine with 115 gr Fiocchi was a nightmare. Cleaned it and took it back out and ran 100 rnds 124 gr Blazer. Not one jam. Ran another mag of Magtech 115-no problems. Maybe it doesn't like Fiocchi for some reason. It also hated Federal 124 gr HST but was fine with 115 gr Hornady Critical Defense. Ran another 100 rnds of 124 Blazer and again, no jams. Using factory mags which I think are OK for now. It does seem, however, that the rounds don't exactly want to leap out of the factory mags. At this point, I have less than 300 rounds through it with mostly successful results. Not comfortable putting it on the nightstand just yet but I'm optimistic. It is a joy to shoot I have to say and I don't mind having that extra $1K in my pocket.
Fiocci is absolute garbage
What recoil and mainspring housing would you recommend?
If you're a noob like I am, can you recommend a shop that can help do whatever you did to the prodigy so we can get it running optimally? Thanks!
So I just bought the 5inch versions. This is my first 1911/2011. I do have one question about the platform. Should the slide rub against the hammer? When I pull the slide back, about half way thru I get some resistance, when I look I don't notice anything except for it touching the hammer? Just want to know if this is normal. Also took it to the range, put about 200 rounds thru it and only had one malfunction. Failure to eject.
there is various parts of the cycling that offer resistance, recoil spring, then the hammer compressing the main spring etc.
Big Pass. These have too many issues. I’d buy a CZ Shadow 2 or save for a Stacatto!
I want a shadow pretty bad
My DS is the first pistol I had with issues 😖
I had to send back Springfield and am awaiting its return.
If you’re gonna buy one, it’s a gamble. Looks like some lucked out and some of us didn’t.
I’m looking for an alternate full size 9 if this one doesn’t get corrected.
I should have just stuck with my .40s. Both my Glock 22 and M&P 2.0 .40 fire great and flawlessly. I had a Canik mete sfx that was almost perfect (except for spitting oil in my glasses) but I got mesmerized with the DS 1911 ….🙄
Hey! Did Springfield resolve your DS Prodigy issues? Just curious. Thanks 😊
@@alangwin3891I sent it back to Springfield. They worked on it and the jamming stopped. But shells are ejected into my face. I stopped shooting it. I just haven’t had the chance to mail it back. Was going to get rid of it but my son wants it. So I still gotta try to rectify it
@@marchillis6079 I’m sure that is frustrating. 1911 style pistols are different from just about any other pistol. I have 6. 3 had issues right out of the box. Fortunately they all run perfectly now after a bit of tuning. It’s sort of the nature of the beast. I’m not making excuses for Springfield, seems they rushed into production too soon. I would encourage you to not give up. I have the 4.25 Prodigy and it runs without issue. Evidently I got lucky. Send it back or find a good gunsmith experienced with 1911/2011 pistols near you. I hope to replace all the mim parts on mine soon and tune the trigger to a clean 3 pound break and then it should be irresistible to shoot. Good luck. I believe it will be worth the effort. 😊
I know what you mean I have the 4.25 comander I've had nothing but flawless workmanship but my friend got the same gun he's had nothing but problems outta his his hangs up too on disconnect and feeding problems.
Do you know if the Dawson tool-less guide rod for the 4.15” guns will work in the 4.25 Prodigy?
I think you have to get the atlas version for the 4.25 guns
Also, I've seen your review of the Platypus. Should I, as someone who is just starting to dabble in the 2011 game, get a prodigy or a platypus? Its a couple hundred more to get a platypus but some of the parts of the platypus seem to be proprietary to Stealth Arms?
Between the two platypus all the way
Hi Dave, good video. Considering a 2011 style gun in the future. Would like to try a few out before buying one though. This springfield looks nice, but I really like the look of the Staccato P and BUL armory SAS tac. We’ll see though. I know the latter 2 will perform well too, so I don’t worry about that.
You and I have met before on the job. I work LE for another agency in our county. I emailed you over at learning firearms but idk if you ever received it or if it takes a while to hear back, but I’m looking for someone to pin and weld a muzzle brake to my 13.7 inch AR barrel. I’m also looking for someone to cut out a slide on my G19X for a Leupold Deltapoint pro. Let me know if you can help me out. Thanks.
Hi Matt, sorry I missed your email, give me a try again. I didn’t see anything in the filter but it might have been purged by mistake
@@GunsandTactics sounds good. Thank you
I'm pretty sure Checkmate makes the mags for Staccato.
No comment
I remember reading that as one of the first fixes Staccato made, when they first taken over STI.
I think they are checkmate too.
5" hung up on disconnector, failure to feed, failure to go into battery....My Jam O matic for $1499.00. sent back and its seems ok now
I was strongly considering one but I’ll hold off until Springfield gets these running right. There’s absolutely not reason this should be having issues.
Should I try and sell my POS prodigy I definitely didn’t do my research 😢
Got the 4.25 a week ago and called Springfield explaining my problem and they told me it was disconnector issues. Just sent it off, we'll see if the problems are fixed.
Reports have been they have good service and will likely get you taken care of.
My GRANDFATHER….aMASTER GUNSMITH BACK IN THE 50’s 60’s 70’s….always had saa73’s 1911’s HIPOWERS CUZ THATS WHAT YOU HAD BACK THEN PRE BERETTA/GLOCK…and they RAN SOOOO BEAUTIFUL…I REMEMBER HIM SAYING EVEN POST KIMBER ERA …..’THERES ONLY TWO 1911’s…SPRINGFIELD AND COLT(collectors Remington rand Ithaca etc)….THATS WHY I’M GONNA GLOCK RELIABILITY THIS THING…PEACE PEACE PEACE!!!
Hi, what stacato magazines fit the prodigy? I need 15 round mags for state rules l. Thank you
The flush mags hold 17. Not aware of a 15, I know staccato makes a 10 round ban state mag
Nice video bro! I have the full size and had the same issues and I’m about to throw it in the trash. Sucks that you spend 1500 bucks for something that I wouldn’t bet my life on. Very disappointed.
Sent my 4.25" back to Springfield. Everyone I've heard from that did this said the gun ran flawlessly afterwards and they only took 2-3 weeks.
Let me know what they tell you they did for a repair
@GUNS & TACTICS will do. What ive seen from other people that have done it is they ream the chambers due to them being tighter than spec. Polish chamber and ramps. Replace disconnector, replace recoil spring, etc.
@@GunsandTactics I just got mine back from repair and this is what they listed in the repair sheet:
-reamed and polished chamber
-polished barrel ramp
-refit barrel
-replaced parts listed: sear spring, both thumb safties, guide rod and recoil spring
@@PercocetRx thanks for the info!
@@GunsandTactics I'm curious what Guide Rod spring weight would work well for the 4.25" if it would need a replacement.
I just picked up the 4.25" today. Have not had it to the range yet, just poking around here for the heads up info. I agree with your statement about really wanting to like the gun. The cosmetics are really appealing. Thank you for your valuable input😁
Yes, price expected. Send it back to Springfield and they will tune the gun won't have any issues going forward or send it to skips guns 600 tuned with atlas trigger either way for the price you can't beat it.
I’ve got it running great now. Just took some work
Im new to the 2011, what Stacatto magazines fit the Prodigy?
The staccato 2011 mags do. Otherwise the check mates are coming out soon
@@GunsandTactics All staccato mags or only some versions / weapon models ?
@@mrtnt2337 staccato 2011 mags, 126 length and higher
Great video. Ill pass on the prodigy and save for the Staccato. I am not an armorer and have your experience on working on 2011's so it makes sense to me to buy the Stacatto. Less headaches and a 100 % better company than Springfield.
Check Mate M14/M1A mags are 110% reliable.
My 4.25 runs flawless for the first 400 rounds, 5 different kinds of ammo.
I think the 4.25 guns overall have been running much better that the 5s
Had anyone called Springfield customer service to get it fixed? Been hearing their customer support is excellent, and most cases are getting fixed and return in 14 days. This is for those who purchase and feel stuck on a dud.
Only $1500 for a broken gun?
You void your warranty by detail stripping the gun? That's a first.
The early versions I saw at matches were rough, slide to frame, disconnector, and WAY undersprung.
Too bad SA didn't take a "loss leader" approach and flood the market with decent 2011s.... maybe USPSA would let them back into the sport. ;-)
I am not aware of any manufacturer that promotes a non-certified armorer detail disassembly of their firearm. Most of them will state any unauthorized or further disassembly can void the warranty, especially if damage occurs from improper disassembly or assembly.
fair enough.
Going back to the Kuhnhauzen (sp?) manual I've always just gone slow and torn things down.
I mean i see the same issues in videos, and i would have to agree. Thats bullshit, and i kinda want one since the ban in illinois just got blocked. Id be pretty pissed if mine acted like that. I saw better mags help but either case its like an added 300$ on top of 1600
Start
Waiting for .45
Then I'd say your going to be waiting. 99.99% of 2011 makers have completely dropped .45 from their line up.
Gobbless
But I must ad a caveat I’m a little old and haven’t owned one for a while but the guide rod looks rather complicated but then I had colts single stack when I did sorry for showing me age
Remember people. If you're not comfortable & don't want to void the warranty. Springfield will send you a prepaid shipping label & fix the problem if there is any
To add, from what I have heard customer service has been pretty solid from Springfield.
The question is what is Springfield doing about it?
They generally have pretty good customer service and warranty. Of course that would be the way I recommend but I wanted to learn what was going on and why the gun was having issues.
Just messing with you but I wish they didn't pay me either just give me a gun every once in awhile 😂😂😂
I think it’s weird people still use “break-in” period to justify prominent issues with production guns. When the manufacturer designs, builds, and delivers the product, all testing, and Q&A, are done. When you buy a mass produced gun, all you should do out of the box is clean it, then go shoot it. What you shouldn’t be doing is replacing parts, polishing parts, or modifying parts to get to operate properly. Yea, I get it, the old adage 200 round break-in to get parts to align. That’s ok, but some of these need gunsmith work, and alternate parts. A friend of mine has one, after 400 rounds, it was still jamming, feed failures, cycle issues.. I think it’s a safe queen or on consignment now. My SA TRP Operator had slight issues, stiff slide, absolutely HATES Armscor ammo!! But today she spits rounds like an MG42. Quiet as kept, the slide on my TRP is smoother than my Staccato C2..
Pass
thanks for the bluntness.... my turn... buy a glock way less expensive.... double stack 9mm... tons of aftermarket.... way lighter... way more practical... and you can afford it
@Dale Ross fair enough. or s&w. or HK. or CZ. or beretta. or... or... or... same idea
I have shot over 8 different Glock models and like around 100 different pistols models. Many different brands and have to say a 2011 or 1911 is just easier to shoot faster and more accurate with less recoil. Just better and can be very reliable.
@@pjbarney9580 Walther
What he means is buy a glock and shoot worse
A Glock is 10/10 for reliability. But the trigger and sights suck. I have several Glocks and none of them are stock. Shoot a Shadow 2 or Staccato and a stock Glock feels like junk.
I really want to like this new pistol but my principles forbid me from purchasing first generation products.
Herein lies the problem. Springfield Armory, like most other manufacturers, does not advertise nor make this information available to the public when they update their products from Gen 1 to Gen 2 and so forth.
SIG is obviously the _worst_ offender by far. Nobody, and I mean *_nobody,_* knows precisely which model/variant/generation of product you may be currently observing. Hence, the reason why I will not be buying a new SIG anytime soon or ever for that matter. I like my SIG's from the old world company we all knew and loved but I digress.
Nonetheless, I will eventually purchase one of these Prodigy models. However, it will have to wait until I acquire my new BUL Armory SAS II Tac 4.25" which I have been waiting to purchase for over 15 months now. Both my wife and I absolutely _love_ products from that country of origin. Which I sadly cannot express here on YT without being silenced for some odd reason.
I am just glad that companies like SA and even S&W with their quasi 1911 aptly named the CSX, are making pistols along this line. Alas, the era of _'Gentleman's Carry'_ (a phrase I coined) is finally upon us!
Stay classy my friends.
The gun should be used as it comes from the factory, you can't control your need to change parts and for the average user that is not posible. Next time do a review as it comes!
I did…in the first video. This was a follow up answering what I had to do to make it run.
Great video…..but “smash or pass” title? Kinda lame.
Pick one better and I’ll consider changing it
Wouldn't buy a 9mm 1911, anyway--even if it was triple stack.
Staccato doesn't pay him he just accepts $3,000 guns from them occasionally Springfield doesn't pay him or give him anything 😂😂😂 singing for supper 😂😂😂
So what was false about the video? I’m being honest about my relationships, would you have found the video more credible if I left that out? And for what it’s worth I didn’t renew with staccato, or any gun company for 2023 so I can be even more neutral. Best regards
I don’t understand how Springfield made a gun that needs to be completely fixed out of the box.
If staccato gives you a gun every now and then, then you're paid by staccato. Period.
I get what you’re saying which is why I disclose my relationships. However a gun doesn’t have that much value to me, I’m sent a lot of media samples, demos etc and it’s all work tools to me. Someone could send me 10 guns and it won’t affect my opinion or pay my mortgage. When I do get paid, I also disclose that sponsor as well. Best regards
If Springfield gets their head out of their asses and make these CORRECTLY from the factory as they should for a $1500 gun …I MIGHT try one…..but I doubt it
Why would anyone pay $1400 /$1500 then have to f**k around to make it work ?
I have a CZ Shadow 2 and a Canik Rival Darkside both function with no issues reloads or factory ammo .
Too many great guns to bother with this rubbish.
I do not think you are being bias and are honest about the issues you found. With that said saying Staccato does not pay you anything and in the same sentence state BUT they do give me a free 2011 every so often that I use in my LE classes.....come on. How much do those Staccato's you were "GIVEN" retail for? Dude that's literally the definition ition of being paid. You were given something of financial and practical worth in compensation for.....what? Because Staccato is a non profit charity? Nope. It's quite obvious so you can upsell their guns to your LE class students and hopefully net a LE Dept sales contract.
So while I don't very seriously you were not anything but honest about the Springfield Protigy issues let's not try to ruin that with BS whitewash about the relationship and intent and goal of Staccato giving you many thousands of dollars in free guns.
BTW every gun other than some excellent full customs has something that could be done better. How often I your videos on Staccato have you been very open and clear about what those are. Have you honestly reported every functional issue no matter how I frequent or slight you have had with any Staccato regardless of what you may or may not think is the root cause of it?
The issue I when your being compensated by any entity even if your intentions are 100% to ve honest and forth coming there is a subconscious bias that presents itself in your thought process. You either over compensate looking for and magnifying issues or you rationalize or discount issues without meaning too or may e you might hit a true answer. The is you have conditions that bias you period. It's why Judges and lawyers are required to recuse themselves or scientists must list conflicts of interest and who is funding the study. As we can see today with the state of the integrity of the scientific community along with gov agency FDA EPA there not doing a very good job of those and the end result are very damaging all the way around.
The best you can do is be very open about any and all compensation as well as any biases you may hold. Do not try to minimize them or explain them away. It only makes it appear worse. Just state them clearly and that of course it is possible that these things may effect how you perceive these comparisons, reviews and testing. Just acknowledge that while you believe your make every effort to be honest it's possible that these associations may influence you without you consciously realizing it.
That kind of approach usually causes people to give your observations more Wright and shuts down the naysayers that are just looking for any issue, real or hypothetical, to give themselves a feeling of more significance.
Then what the h3ll do I know!?!
For what it’s worth I did not re-sign with Staccato for 2023 and I can still tell you that Staccato is a better gun. Also, The Prodigy was a turd out of the box so there’s that :-).
1911/2011 are 45 caliber which somewhat justifies the 32oz weight BUT the Prodigy is a 9mm and it still doesn’t run dependably? Ridiculous in todays world. How many incredibly dependable and very accurate 9mm are already on the market at a fraction of the weight and cost? Springfield.. GET SERIOUS!😂
It appears the 5 inch version is the worst, but i wouldn't buy any Prodigy poorly made.