I understand the whole point of Project Kamp is to be more sustainable, but I urge you guys to remember that your TIME is also a valuable non-renewable resource that should be used wisely. Sometimes (not every time) it's better to remove more material and replace it with fresh materials. It may end up saving time. It may end up with a healthier finished product (especially important since in this case we're talking about a living space). Maybe the original construction wasn't very high quality, or wasn't maintained properly, so the end product might be a higher quality if you replace more of the bad stuff. I'm not saying all of this is 100% for sure, i just want to say that all of these things should be considered.
I completely agree with theagemaway. The saying 'time is money' is spot on in this situation. We live in an era where people often prefer to replace rather than repair, as evidenced by fast fashion culture: cheap, low-quality clothing that is meant to be discarded after a short time. For more sustainable consumption, I choose brands that use high-quality materials, designed to last and be repairable. Some, for example, offer detailed guides on how to care for their products. Returning to the freezer, I wonder if the material they are working with is sturdy enough to justify all this effort. It could be that they are investing too much time in something that, in the end, may not last. I really appreciate their tenacity, but I think it's important to consider these aspects as well.
I work at a company where we build expedition trucks. We work a lot with sandwich panels composed of fiberglass polyester and an insulation. We did test with different kinds of sandwich panels and found out that panels with PET as insulation don't absorb or retain any water. One of the worst insulation materials was PIR, it sucks up water like a sponge and barely releases it. It seems like the insulation used in this trailer is PIR insulation. Since the panels are not only composed of insulation and fiberglass but also plywood I would seriously consider starting from scratch, only using the subframe and chassis. An other option would be to strip the panels from the inside and thus only leaving the outer layer of fiberglass and then insulating again with new material.That would be the only way of making sure that you'll have dry walls without any mold.
Would spend lots of time there. Bring home too much. RainRunsInn has it correct. If it is kept organized I/we/you are not a hoarder. I am claiming that phrase.
Me too. U.K. just not interested in places like this, and yet we’re encouraged to ‘upcycle’. Having sad that, it does like someone’s shed full of their old shite.
I agree! It is a serious health hazard. This level of mold, can quickly cause chronic mold allergies. A mother and her 4 year old son (in my family) developed a chronic mold allergy in a matter of weeks, living in an old apartment, where mold would show up in corners of windows, about every week, once the weather got cold outside. Long stor short, they now live in a newly constructed building, but still needed to get a professional mold fighting crew to clean, treat and seal every floor, ceiling, wall, countertop and more - before they could breathe in their new apartment. They also now live with a constant running particle meter (and an active HEPA filter in every room) - in order to minimize the risk of mold spores finding a way to grow. Despite the active monitoring, and active filtering, they still need to have the mold treatment repeated every 3-5 years. At a cost of US$ 3000 per clean, treatment and re-seal. --- So I agree - this level of mold attack - Is a serious health hazard. As this level of mold, can quickly (for some, in a matter of weeks) cause chronic mold allergies. --- At the very least, please install air-particle meters in the space, before allowing anyone to live in there.
Hey, its always a learning experience. Thanks for honestly sharing it, the ups and the downs. Dont forget that its OK to pivot, and change plans, adapting as you learn about the situation, and the project.
in these particular case the best aproach is to remove everything floor top and floor underneath...why? one u remove all the spores of mold, clean it up with chlorox, put new plywood treated for termites or bore insects and lastly u will have the chance to seal every potential water intrusion point...and will save u time by removing everything at once...
Great idea. If the mold is on a nonporus surface, plain clorox bleach works, but if its porus, you need a dedicated mold killer. Yours right, id clean or tear out everything
Exactly! Doing this patchwork and detecting rotten parts, replacing them and leaving old stuff that's "good" in, will just temporarily fix the issue but the old stuff is certainly contaminated with fungus and rot so it will just wear down the new parts soon enough. Replacing everything would be cleaner and probably less time consuming.
I understand your thoughts on recycling, but what you have there is almost hazardous waste. This is not a room where people should sleep. No matter what you put in there later, you won't get the rot out. And especially not by patching up the moldy, wet areas. Use the chassi and have the box disposed of, even if it hurts.
Once you figured out the bottom plywood got wet, that's tells you just to go into full demolition mode on the floor. I don't usually like to do that myself, but seeing the wall inside shows me you guys need to go nuts on stripping down that trailer to metal.
I follow several sailing boat channels..... according to them water trapped inside fiberglass really smells bad, and to dry it out can take months, you would be smart to remove the whole floor from the frame raise the remaining part of the box, and start with a fresh floor and lower walls, other wise it will always smell like an old refrigerator...good luck......that recycle place looked like a gold mine for your style and abilities. Another thought, if you are buying trailers and truck bodies for their mobility, don't forget that you can build so you can build so that a large sled could added if you need to move, using you digger tractor which you will soon have...cheers and good luck
@@Tim8mit yep usually a stink of something very much like vinegar and to dry it out properly you have to remove all the gel coat and point very large powerful (halogen typically) heaters at it for days or weeks at a time. Usually it’s only expensive and luxury boats that justify the cost of the work. This is neither and doesn’t.
If there -is moisture there will be mold. This was a container that had a lot condensation through the years of opening the doors to hot air, not to mention warm contents trying to stay cool. I would be ripping out the whole floor and checking the walls.
Yeah, they are best off striping it all back to the insulation and then rebilling out the walls and floor. As capillary action will draw any moisture up and through the wood. Meaning, everywhere could get mouldy.
@@chaucerchau2833 It had a lot of wood, but because it was mostly exposed. They didn't bother trying to save it. Which makes it a much easier process, as you just gut it and put in new (Ish) materials. Here they are trying to keep as much of the existing flooring and walls as possible. Which makes it a much harder job.
Very admirable how much work you're putting into this. Once it's dry, consider closing it up and using a mould test kit to see if there's still any active mould before going ahead with the refurb. I'm very much leaning in the same direction as many people here. If it still has mould, it will make people sick over time. You may have to face the uncomfortable possibility that stripping it down to the frame and building more from scratch might be necessary to keep your people safe
I love how this channel doesn't hide it's mistakes and say everything is alright. Since life is a failure until a pile of failures turn into a success, every mistake you do is a one more step towards success. Keep it up. Hoping for a great learning experience to you and successful endeavors in the coming future.
This is basically like the walk in coolers we have here in North America. They rot from the inside out and are replaced after 20 to 30 years. Terrible for building living quarters in.
Phil is a rockstar! I can’t even imagine how bad it smelled in there, and he just kept on working! All by himself! I’m so sorry the rain messed everything up! I know y’all want to reuse everything you can, but I think I would’ve replaced the wood in the floors and 1/2 way up all of the walls. A lot of work, yes, but worth it in the end! Good luck next week Phil! I’ll be here cheering you on! Go, Phil, go! You can do it! You got this! 📣🎉🤸♀️
I have serious concerns about you guys using this old refrigerated truck body as a living space. There is no knowing what biological bacteria is present. I envisage serious health issues breathing the air in this enclosure. A minor skin scratch could easily lead to a serious blood infection. I think you have made a bad choice with this one.
All I could picture was the different organisms evolving inside of those walls, so full of blood and corpse fluid water, every time he peeled something back and a new color or texture appeared 😂😭
another tip, especially when buying such a box: you can use an infrared camera to see where there is moisture in walls and floors, or an more expensive but more reliable method is getting a moisture meter.
I still don’t understand how this is more feasable than building little houses from scratch. I get the re-purposing aspect of it but it seems very counterproductive
Exactly. They could explore ways of using reusable materials and alternative building techniques, but for some reason. Not sure why they are making it so hard for themselves
I might be wrong but I believe they have to build moveable houses to fit with the legal allowances on the land, so starting with a truck chassis even if they strip everything else away, still works well. But not 100% on that so don’t quote me! Even if they do have permission moveable buildings might be best when their plans are not fixed in terms of area layout?
This was mentioned multiple times. Planning permission for a permanent structure is very hard to get and time consuming. For houses on wheels you don’t need them + Project Kamp is still in the try out phase. So it is good if you can move your houses if at a later stage you see that they would be better off at a different location.
It's not about stupid laws. They bought what is probably classified as agricultural land or "rustic" land so you need permits to build on it since it's not the goal of that land to build stuff on it, besides what is already there.
I really like what you are doing, and you are right to try to salvage as much as you can. Bravo Till ! Like the others are saying, it seems that it will be a lot of work, and health hazard. Everyone seems concerned by the mold, and the should be. What I find weird is that you bring a big pile of plastic and really bad materials into your little paradise, don't underestimate all the flying dust, plastics and shitty materials that shouldn't have existed in the first place, and the VOCs if someone will sleep there. Plus you will be using new materials that will polute even more (silicone in this video is just an exemple). Why don't you explore building like before (maybe not granite I remember the older videos) but with clay, wood, maybe rocks, with some recycling (like the wood you find), and it would be a good combination. No matter what you do keep up the good work and good luck
Despite the difficulties, the project of transforming a freezer into a home is truly original and the result is astonishing. The video perfectly captures the spirit of this unique adventure. I admire your patience and creativity in overcoming the obstacles
La verdad es que la edición de los videos ha mejorado drásticamente, tienen una línea argumental mucho mejor definida. Enhorabuena a los editores!! Ojalá todo el trabajo que estáis haciendo nos permita seguir viendo capítulos en invierno!!! Muchas gracias.
i love the dedication! Wood will dry and the Love and Work you put into making that place a home will last forever! Keep up the good work :) Craft takes time and effort and you are all most certainly craftspeople - sustainablity wont be easy and the box will exist forever anyway so you may as well make it into a home! Love from London
The general rule of thumb with second hard trailers, if they have wood in their floors, you're going to want to replace it. Because water can always get into them. And in a truck that will have been regally hosed out, water infiltration is all but guaranteed.
As someone who lives off grid and tries himself to re-purpose and re-use everything possible I often find that the time dedicated to re-purposing some things would better be spent on other projects. Re-purposing many times requires more money and time than it would be to use another means of construction. A simple box truck (non-refrigerated) would have been easier, taken less time, and money to insulate and finish out. Opportunity cost is something I think about often. The amount of time, money and cursing that goes into re-using something oft is not worth it.
Warum nimmt man nicht Seecontainer. Daraus könnte man eine ganze Stadt bauen. Und wenn man genug Erfahrung im Ausbau gesammelt hat, könnte man sie auch verkaufen.
The primary goal of Project Kamp is to learn through their experiments, so they take on projects that most of us wouldn't have the time or money for, and keep at it when most of us would move on. It's totally fine to take a more practical approach when the main goal is getting the building done, but I appreciate their commitment to the experiment, even when it isn't the quickest or cheapest way to get things done. They comment a lot on finding the balance between reusing/recycling/using natural materials and completing necessary tasks.
@@jackdbur I get it. But opportunity cost is a thing you have to consider. Are all those laborers time best spent accomplishing other tasks or not. Not there so I don't know... It was a comment based off my experience. I have run crews of guys on million dollar projects....
Hi, I m Jenny from South Africa. I had a contract with an exporter, to setup a company, in Cape Town, that market was the Bulge of Africa with 2nd grade fruit. A 1/3 of our shipments was sold with "last voyage" refrigerated containers. We packed in as the last item a power supply and converter ( i am sure there are solo solution ). The final delivery was at the market and the buyer got their order with a big fridge at the same time. The container had many years more uses,. I think you should look as this, your "Food Team" would be able to reduce a lot of wastage. "Last Voyage" containers are abundant they only there because of the insurance companies. They are cheap when you buy directly from the liner's.
Take all the fiberglass out! I know it sounds counterintuitive, but itd be less work to just take the whole floor out then to take bits and pieces out trying to find whats good and whats not.. plus if you have to go back are redo it bc the mold spread then thats even more work..
Serious question: If they take out all the fibreglass, plywood and isolation, what is eventually left of the trailer? Is there a metal "skeleton" within those walls? or is the integrity of the trailer based solely on that thick multi-layered wall construction?
@gregfraser4052 it can be but usually it's not.. mostly the wood and fiberglass help reinforce the structure so when it on the road with all the weight from the load inside it's sturdy. But seeing that it's not traveling on the road much anymore plus it doesn't have any product in it to add weight. The metal skeleton should be plenty enough to hold without the walls especially if they plan on fixing it up anytime soon
This video points to the importance of a thorough Pre purchase inspection. Ship that and you get disasters like this. "Buyer beware" is an important phrase to keep in mind when buying old things.
In theory, what you're saying, rustyevolution6298, is undeniable. The problem is that, in practice, it's nearly impossible to have absolute certainty about what we're buying, especially when it comes to real estate. Can a homebuyer really know how the bricks were laid or what kind of mortar was used? Demolishing everything to be sure is unthinkable. In the end, we're forced to rely on rough estimates and hope for the best. Unfortunately, our society has accustomed us to a consumer culture where blind trust is often betrayed.
Credit where credit is due: Till is a champ! But... this whole endeavour seemed baffling to me from the very start. In comparison, the pig trailer made somewhat sense. Beneath the foul superficial layer, you had a clear skeleton foundation to build off of. This thing though... feels like a horrible and hazardous mess. No amount of drying out those walls would make me sleep easily in that thing. Even if you wrap it up in a clean layer again, this whole trailer screams "seeping nastiness". I love Project Kamp for their willingness to explore and investigate ways to go about things. Even if those ways feel "off" or inefficient to people who have year-long experiences in the respective fields. But building safe and sanitary housing should not be a gamble. Go for tried and tested paths. You shouldn't afford wasting resources on such major undertakings.
Phyllisanngodfrey6137, these videos are truly inspiring! Witnessing the transformation of the sketchy ruin and the old pig trailer has been thrilling. I am genuinely curious to see what the future holds for the old fridge box, the 3 rooms old brick ruin, and the granite ruin. And the Community Center building project? It's a colossal undertaking that promises to completely revolutionize the area!
Circular saw instead of angle grinder for all those long straight cuts with perfect depth control. Oscillating tool for getting into tight spaces like cutting those rotted bits of window framing.
Looks like polishing a turd. I love the recycle and reuse approach. But eventually you have to realise that stripping it down to the bone is better for the overall longevity of the trailer. Which also means that parts of the trailer will live longer.
This is to show that sometimes you have to really reflect if something is really worth trying to salvage. I understand the intentions of the project, trying to reuse stuff, and trying to waste as little as possible. But sometimes its just not feasible. Thats the reality of material stuff.
Where did you get this Till guy, he is amazing!! He seems like such a professional guy, also he does not give up when things turns out to be negative. Such a greay find :) keep it up folks
Aren't you guys affraid for al the forbidden and toxic materials which have been used in the past in lots of products? Toxic paints, PFAS/PFAO/Asbestos materials etc.
Good morning. IMO that was a bad investment. You probably have black mold and water damage under all the walls. It's probably best in future projects to stick with metal shipping containers. Good luck.
Yeah once it was discovered that a portion of the flooring was not only rotted but still retaining moisture, it was an indication that the best option was to just replace the entire flooring setup. Not only would it have been easier from a work planning standpoint, but it would also better future proof the build so you don't have to go back and replace another piece of the floor later, then another and another, etc. Better to just do the whole thing from the start and only have to do it one time. Same goes for the wall structures as well once you discovered the rotted beams and connection points to the rotted floor. Sometimes it's better to build from scratch than try to reuse. Or at the very least be prepared to replace entire sections of whatever you are converting. As my grandfather used to say: "Half measures will often lead to double work." This is especially true when you're doing so with potential living spaces and high traffic work spaces. Better to take the extra time and effort to do it all the way before it starts having people living/working in it than having to go back and do it all over again later on top of having to setup alternate living/work space for people after the fact.
Rule of thumb: if people aren't doing something it's either so brilliant nobody thought of it yet (not a big chance of that with 8 billion people around) or it has certain drawbacks
I would guess it is also a game of numbers - how many freezer boxes are available 2nd hand in a certain geography, where are they typically sold to etc. For example, in central EU, all freezer trucks use (and have used for many years) tractor trailers (i.e. 15m long, 2 or 3-axle). A single-truck box like used here is fairly exotic.
They're displaying exactly what these drawbacks are in great detail. The idea is that people who wouldn't otherwise consider using these recycling ideas might look at them, decide "That looks fine, actually", and decide it's worth it to follow suit. Of course there are some drawbacks so severe that no one would decide that, but without trying you don't know what's what. You can make educated guesses but without experimentation people might continue writing off things they *think* will be awful that aren't actually all that bad.
I had a feeling this was going to be a problem when you bought it. Thank goodness you have competent people who are willing to tackle this very difficult job. 👍
@@carolinebrewer2655 At least they're taking initiative and getting the job done. 🙄 I do agree that they need to be taking better precautions, however.
At what point in a project would you decide it's not worth it to continue? I feel like looking at the condition of the "clean" walls that you could never get this trailer fit for human habitation. The smell is going to stick around forever unless you replace every piece of the trailer. Without ripping everything out I'd be too worried about mold & fiberglass to house someone there.
thats pretty much what they did with the other trailer they converted, they stripped everything, maybe they will end up doing the same thing with this one
Please do not allow anyone to live or sleep in that trailer! It’s a serious biohazard! You have no idea what else is hidden behind those walls. Your health is not worth the risk.
Maybe think about building an earthship house - built from dirt/clay and used tires, windows and glass bottles. They're very energy efficient and beautiful and it would be a draw to bring in tourists to visit later on.
You would want to build a small one just to see how it performs in a wet and rainy Portugal, if not done properly you could get a lot of moisture and mold just like in this trailer that isn't even below ground.
earthship houses out of old tires are cancer risks. Old tires are toxic and give off gasses, and are banned as a building material in some countries for a good reason.
I think the only clean way to proceed is strip bottom, sides, top back to metal and rebuild with the reclaimed wood. Yeah a lot of work... but living in an old moldy box isn't nice. If the structures need to be temporary for permitting reasons, I think working with a used container is better
I think you should get all the surface layer fibreglass out to assess the extent of water damage before you decide if you want to patch it or redo the whole thing. You might end up wasting more time, effort and material on the patchwork then find out the situation is actually beyond repair in the first place.
I would focus on the plentiful acacias, with straw, cork, or wood shavings for insulation, with an earth plaster inside. More natural and less bad surprises. No need for powered tools. I've been building cob houses for a while now, it's really simple.
Moist and mold is probably also behind the sidepanels. Black mold is hazardous for your health. I think you need to consider abandoning this project and search for another trailer as this one is not safe to live in.
You can buy an induction moisture meter for about 20 euros. I would advise to buy one of these things to check whether there is moisture behind hard layers next time. That would save a lot of headache.
I will add to the list of commenters saying you are propably better off getting only metal containers or just trailer frames. Seems that many of these things you get that seem fine on the top end up being very time consuming. And in this case the fiberglass itself is a problem. As a living space and to dispose off when you strip it away.
Sorry guys but in my opinion this truck is a bad purchase. Wet, rotten, moldy and spores (maybe also asbestos?) all throughout. Even after letting it dry and tearing out the 'bad parts' I would never ask anyone to live there. The smell is also a dead giveaway. Sunk cost fallacy, recoup your losses and don't throw good money after bad money imo
When they presented this trailer purchase a few videos back, all I could think was "This does NOT feel right". Though at that time I didn't know why. Seeing this video now was full of "Oh, THAT'S why!" moments. This is a fail, no way around it. Which is a bummer, but also totally fine. Much can be learned from all of this. But really, cut your losses and move on.
I was looking for a comment on sunk cost fallacy. Agree with you completely. It's already a good learning for the Kampers - chalk it down as a failure, but fail forward and move on with that knowledge.
All Good. Never to late to rethink and turn it into a storage space or workarea. I wouldn´t sleep there. Having contained dead animals should have been a red flag, insulating materials and all.. but hey, we're here to learn. I understand you aim at getting at least the permanent people warm through the winter, but i would focus on a different kind of structure. Or buy a trailer base with nothing on it and build something from scratch using healthy construction materials. One project i would love to see evolve from Precious Plastic onto Project Kamp would be the Geodesic Domes you made back then. They would be so handy here. Why not turning the fridge into a smelly Precious plastic workspace and create DOMES out of it? Great Job guys, thanks for sharing!
That box is biohazard, no matter what you do. I wouldn't allow even my dogs to sleep in that box. That smell will not go away completely, same as mold - i know this from my personal experience. Even with minor drop of water and some heat it come back and keep growing. The ONLY proper war to destroy mold from organic materials like wood, OSB or plywood - completely remove it and burn. Steel frame on trailer looks pretty good, i'd prefer to build completely new, clean and safe for living structure on top of it. Frame building with reused paper insulation could be good option, if you need something more or less ecological and moveable. Keep on going and never let mistakes to stop you from achieving to your goals! Best wishes!
Yep excess raw meat is 3rd class bio waste which means it cant even be fed to pigs or other animals. Better not let anything that goes into your mouth touch that floor
The box is such a horrible idea, no matter how good you make it you're still going to be living inside a container that's impregnated with the blood of 100s of thousands of animals. That can't be undone.
If I would be you, at this point I would come to a conclusion that I made a mistake buying this fridge box and I would abandon this project and focus on something else. I guess some of you must feel the same way. It's ok to make mistakes, don't get me wrong. Anyway good luck with whatever decision you make about this project
- tractor scam - broke the water line in many places - rotten fridge box PC has so many 'wins' lately :P And if you remember it was the exact same thing with the pig trailer, they had to tear it apart in order to find some non rusty metal. Things are going well and I wouldn't be surprised If I listen about more people feeling 'left out' by their 'leaders' living on another part to not be around them..
@@vinyldown8490hey it looks like you follow the channel for a while so i don't know why you think that someone would be left behind in the project, it's like you read a contract then sign it and when you get angry you blame the people who wrote it. PC it far from perfect but in a viewer perspective it seems they are very cleare and transparent on show how they work
The project is a lot about documenting what works and what doesn't. Even thought they should have reached the conclusion that fridge boxes are not worth it, I think they should still push it through and see how far can this go. I'm pretty sure it still salvageable, maybe not economic viable, but documenting the issues could help other similar projects.
your purchasing department dont do enough research before major purchases. at this point you are either gonna accept this or continue to treat every bad purchase as singular unlucky decision. still gonna watch tho this is really an interesting journey to follow I really like you.
I feel so sorry for you when something doesn't go to plan. I suppose the big rainstorm was good for avoiding forest fires and for your vegetables and herbs. Hang in there! It's all the learning experience!
Scrap yard looked like a lot of fun! Good for you trying to repurpose and recycle but sometimes you gotta realize it’s time to walk away and try a new approach in order to save on other valuable resources like your time and energy. Keep up the great work as always and looking forward to the next update :)
You should listen to the many comments and abandon this trailer. Given the many "few days later" inserts, it seems that you spent a month or two on thia project allready. My neighbor build a 7x3 meters garden house in about 3 weeks using just wood and sheeps wool insulation. This ia also eco friendly and you could move in in about a month. Dont be so stubborn, this project could be potentially dangerous for the health of the person living in it...
Health care and art fridgebox trucks are a way better option regarding the box state, but it's frequently smaller. I bet the trucks your talking about aren't food related.
Fun fact (perhaps not so much fun in this context) the angle grinder was invented 70 years ago in 1954 by the company Ackermann + Schmitt (now FLEX, which is the generic name in many countries, much like Hoover in the UK and Ireland for vacuum cleaners).
I'm amused by the comments telling you to just build new, as though repurposing weren't the entire point of the experiment 😅 Even though this is turning out to be a lot more work than anticipated, we're learning a lot about how materials work and age through time, and how things become "trash". While watching, I started to think about how these materials are assembled, and what opportunities engineers and manufacturers can take in the future to make their products better suited for reuse and recycling. Are chemists working on watertight bonding materials that can be released chemically, but result in environmentally inert products after dissolution? Are nature-based building materials (such as plywood) able to be produced in a way that is safer for the environment, yet strong and affordable enough to replace traditional methods? Can we make insulated truck panels disassemblable and de-laminable, so damaged parts and materials can more easily be replaced? Can we close the loop in manufacturing and stop making mountains of garbage? Thank you for the inspiration! I love all your videos, even (maybe especially) the ones that expose difficult problems.
As long as they draw the line where human health and safety is concerned! It was a really cool experiment idea and you're absolutely right, those are a lot of important questions. Someone else suggested turning it into just a work or tools room like the shipping container which would at least prevent it from being a total waste. But yeah this is not safe 😂😭
Look up sunk cost fallacy. Eventually repurposing is not worth it. There is still a metal frame that can be repurposed but mold is no joke and should be taken seriously. Imho remove the entire box. Repurpose the material that can be saved but build from scratch with repurposed material
@@odeode4338 I know what sunk cost fallacy is. My point was that if the ultimate goal is learning from the experiment, the cost is not necessarily "sunk". Any result will be hands-on knowledge. Yes, they may have to scrap this one. Or it may require more inputs than the can access, which will end the experiment. But going further than one would go when the required outcome is a finished building for the lowest cost and effort is a feature of the experiment, not a flaw.
Tim Creswell says it right. Trying to restore that "past it's sell bye date refrigerated trailer was too resource consuming and should have been abandoned to rather re-purpose the box
I'm curious about the preference for large trailers over smaller options like postal trucks or something that had a less risky past. Either way it's interesting to see the process
I'm ASTONISHED. Guys, that's a health hazard. You can't proceed. If you don't strip down everything and rebuild. This was a waste of purchasing. Also, every video is even more done in a unprofessional way. Like, check the meteo if you know that the trailer MUST NOT take rain or put the tarp anyways like EVERY builder does. I get the reuse style, but you are doing more and more random things in every video. Less professional, less interest from people.
Guys fridge containers are called reefer trailers in America so you might have more luck searching for that. Im building a house from three fridge containers and its not easy, need lots of ventilation and air flow but I'd imagine Portugal is way drier than Ireland. Good luck with it all👍
I understand the whole point of Project Kamp is to be more sustainable, but I urge you guys to remember that your TIME is also a valuable non-renewable resource that should be used wisely. Sometimes (not every time) it's better to remove more material and replace it with fresh materials. It may end up saving time. It may end up with a healthier finished product (especially important since in this case we're talking about a living space). Maybe the original construction wasn't very high quality, or wasn't maintained properly, so the end product might be a higher quality if you replace more of the bad stuff.
I'm not saying all of this is 100% for sure, i just want to say that all of these things should be considered.
I completely agree with theagemaway. The saying 'time is money' is spot on in this situation. We live in an era where people often prefer to replace rather than repair, as evidenced by fast fashion culture: cheap, low-quality clothing that is meant to be discarded after a short time. For more sustainable consumption, I choose brands that use high-quality materials, designed to last and be repairable. Some, for example, offer detailed guides on how to care for their products.
Returning to the freezer, I wonder if the material they are working with is sturdy enough to justify all this effort. It could be that they are investing too much time in something that, in the end, may not last.
I really appreciate their tenacity, but I think it's important to consider these aspects as well.
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I think its better to buy materials and start a house from scratch than buy a trailer that is destroy.
why would they be lacking time ? they have no clear goals, they're just experimenting so there is no rush
@@59tomatotrico Thats true, its not a matter of time, but of money and quality.
I work at a company where we build expedition trucks. We work a lot with sandwich panels composed of fiberglass polyester and an insulation. We did test with different kinds of sandwich panels and found out that panels with PET as insulation don't absorb or retain any water. One of the worst insulation materials was PIR, it sucks up water like a sponge and barely releases it. It seems like the insulation used in this trailer is PIR insulation. Since the panels are not only composed of insulation and fiberglass but also plywood I would seriously consider starting from scratch, only using the subframe and chassis. An other option would be to strip the panels from the inside and thus only leaving the outer layer of fiberglass and then insulating again with new material.That would be the only way of making sure that you'll have dry walls without any mold.
How do you tell the difference between PET and PIR foam from this video?
@@TuffGon the color, texture and the way it soaks up water from below.
I'm happy to see Till setting the example of wearing eye protection when using power tools.
Please don't take chances with your eyes.
That scrapyard looks like heaven. I could spend a week wandering around there and spending way too much money on projects I'd never get around to!
yea, me too :'-D
Remember, you're not a hoarder, if you keep your stuff organized.
Would spend lots of time there. Bring home too much.
RainRunsInn has it correct. If it is kept organized I/we/you are not a hoarder. I am claiming that phrase.
@@rainerunsinn4808 hahaha :'-D
Me too. U.K. just not interested in places like this, and yet we’re encouraged to ‘upcycle’. Having sad that, it does like someone’s shed full of their old shite.
Get rid of the box and build something else on the trailer, what you have there is a health hazard !
I agree! It is a serious health hazard.
This level of mold, can quickly cause chronic mold allergies.
A mother and her 4 year old son (in my family) developed a chronic mold allergy in a matter of weeks, living in an old apartment, where mold would show up in corners of windows, about every week, once the weather got cold outside.
Long stor short, they now live in a newly constructed building, but still needed to get a professional mold fighting crew to clean, treat and seal every floor, ceiling, wall, countertop and more - before they could breathe in their new apartment.
They also now live with a constant running particle meter (and an active HEPA filter in every room) - in order to minimize the risk of mold spores finding a way to grow.
Despite the active monitoring, and active filtering, they still need to have the mold treatment repeated every 3-5 years. At a cost of US$ 3000 per clean, treatment and re-seal.
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So I agree - this level of mold attack - Is a serious health hazard.
As this level of mold, can quickly (for some, in a matter of weeks) cause chronic mold allergies.
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At the very least, please install air-particle meters in the space, before allowing anyone to live in there.
Totally agree I would just keep the trailer frame and start all over. Would take less time and effort and would be much safer health wise.
This is a tough season with vexing pipes and fiberglassy moldy trailers. Keep your spirits up Kampers!!
Sometimes you have to accept defeat. On to the next battle!
Seeing all that hard work and then the rain made my heart hurt for you all!
Dude.... this trailer is a moldy pandora's box, the more you cut back... the worst it gets.
Hey, its always a learning experience. Thanks for honestly sharing it, the ups and the downs. Dont forget that its OK to pivot, and change plans, adapting as you learn about the situation, and the project.
in these particular case the best aproach is to remove everything floor top and floor underneath...why? one u remove all the spores of mold, clean it up with chlorox, put new plywood treated for termites or bore insects and lastly u will have the chance to seal every potential water intrusion point...and will save u time by removing everything at once...
Great idea. If the mold is on a nonporus surface, plain clorox bleach works, but if its porus, you need a dedicated mold killer. Yours right, id clean or tear out everything
Exactly! Doing this patchwork and detecting rotten parts, replacing them and leaving old stuff that's "good" in, will just temporarily fix the issue but the old stuff is certainly contaminated with fungus and rot so it will just wear down the new parts soon enough. Replacing everything would be cleaner and probably less time consuming.
That's right, it's not worth renewing design mistakes, but fixing them.🤔
Might as well just build it from nothing no?
@@hennnnerz That would be the easiest option, some things ain't worth restoring.
I understand your thoughts on recycling, but what you have there is almost hazardous waste.
This is not a room where people should sleep. No matter what you put in there later, you won't get the rot out. And especially not by patching up the moldy, wet areas. Use the chassi and have the box disposed of, even if it hurts.
Once you figured out the bottom plywood got wet, that's tells you just to go into full demolition mode on the floor. I don't usually like to do that myself, but seeing the wall inside shows me you guys need to go nuts on stripping down that trailer to metal.
I follow several sailing boat channels..... according to them water trapped inside fiberglass really smells bad, and to dry it out can take months, you would be smart to remove the whole floor from the frame raise the remaining part of the box, and start with a fresh floor and lower walls, other wise it will always smell like an old refrigerator...good luck......that recycle place looked like a gold mine for your style and abilities. Another thought, if you are buying trailers and truck bodies for their mobility, don't forget that you can build so you can build so that a large sled could added if you need to move, using you digger tractor which you will soon have...cheers and good luck
Yep - What they are seeing here is delamination of the fiberglass. Bad stuff. I also follow sailing channels :)
@@Tim8mit yep usually a stink of something very much like vinegar and to dry it out properly you have to remove all the gel coat and point very large powerful (halogen typically) heaters at it for days or weeks at a time. Usually it’s only expensive and luxury boats that justify the cost of the work. This is neither and doesn’t.
If there -is moisture there will be mold. This was a container that had a lot condensation through the years of opening the doors to hot air, not to mention warm contents trying to stay cool. I would be ripping out the whole floor and checking the walls.
yes… also in van builds you can create this problem if you insulate everything and panel over it…
Yeah, they are best off striping it all back to the insulation and then rebilling out the walls and floor.
As capillary action will draw any moisture up and through the wood. Meaning, everywhere could get mouldy.
I cant believe that the Pig Trailer turned out to be the best trailer-into-house conversion
yes! same thought…
@@82xmas-j7w it was just metal bars. not much to rot.
@@chaucerchau2833 It had a lot of wood, but because it was mostly exposed. They didn't bother trying to save it. Which makes it a much easier process, as you just gut it and put in new (Ish) materials.
Here they are trying to keep as much of the existing flooring and walls as possible. Which makes it a much harder job.
Just buy trailers and build new builds on top using different building techniques, the time and effort gone into this is insane.
Very admirable how much work you're putting into this. Once it's dry, consider closing it up and using a mould test kit to see if there's still any active mould before going ahead with the refurb.
I'm very much leaning in the same direction as many people here. If it still has mould, it will make people sick over time. You may have to face the uncomfortable possibility that stripping it down to the frame and building more from scratch might be necessary to keep your people safe
I love how this channel doesn't hide it's mistakes and say everything is alright. Since life is a failure until a pile of failures turn into a success, every mistake you do is a one more step towards success. Keep it up. Hoping for a great learning experience to you and successful endeavors in the coming future.
This is basically like the walk in coolers we have here in North America. They rot from the inside out and are replaced after 20 to 30 years. Terrible for building living quarters in.
I bought an “old freezer” like yours a couple years ago and turned it into my office so I can work from home. Lot’s of fun and trouble LOL.
I love DIY but when theres fibreglass or asbestos or lead you can see me walking away. Aint worth it.
also all the dust is microplastic that you will never get out of ground and eventually water. rather concerning if you want to live off your own land
Wow this man is some worker most people would have given up much sooner.
I often times find myself disagreeing with the comments section but I couldn’t agree more with the ones on this video. Get rid of that fridge box.
Phil is a rockstar! I can’t even imagine how bad it smelled in there, and he just kept on working! All by himself! I’m so sorry the rain messed everything up! I know y’all want to reuse everything you can, but I think I would’ve replaced the wood in the floors and 1/2 way up all of the walls. A lot of work, yes, but worth it in the end! Good luck next week Phil! I’ll be here cheering you on! Go, Phil, go! You can do it! You got this! 📣🎉🤸♀️
His name is Till, not Phil 😅
I have serious concerns about you guys using this old refrigerated truck body as a living space. There is no knowing what biological bacteria is present. I envisage serious health issues breathing the air in this enclosure. A minor skin scratch could easily lead to a serious blood infection. I think you have made a bad choice with this one.
All I could picture was the different organisms evolving inside of those walls, so full of blood and corpse fluid water, every time he peeled something back and a new color or texture appeared 😂😭
another tip, especially when buying such a box: you can use an infrared camera to see where there is moisture in walls and floors, or an more expensive but more reliable method is getting a moisture meter.
Yuck, that’s a health hazard on wheels. If the bed of the box is sound I’d strip it back to that.
Will they regret it big time!
I still don’t understand how this is more feasable than building little houses from scratch. I get the re-purposing aspect of it but it seems very counterproductive
Exactly. They could explore ways of using reusable materials and alternative building techniques, but for some reason. Not sure why they are making it so hard for themselves
I might be wrong but I believe they have to build moveable houses to fit with the legal allowances on the land, so starting with a truck chassis even if they strip everything else away, still works well. But not 100% on that so don’t quote me! Even if they do have permission moveable buildings might be best when their plans are not fixed in terms of area layout?
This was mentioned multiple times. Planning permission for a permanent structure is very hard to get and time consuming. For houses on wheels you don’t need them + Project Kamp is still in the try out phase. So it is good if you can move your houses if at a later stage you see that they would be better off at a different location.
@@Camilshka yes stupid laws create stupid behaviors....europe is great but very slow to ake their laws logical sometimes
It's not about stupid laws. They bought what is probably classified as agricultural land or "rustic" land so you need permits to build on it since it's not the goal of that land to build stuff on it, besides what is already there.
I really like what you are doing, and you are right to try to salvage as much as you can. Bravo Till !
Like the others are saying, it seems that it will be a lot of work, and health hazard. Everyone seems concerned by the mold, and the should be. What I find weird is that you bring a big pile of plastic and really bad materials into your little paradise, don't underestimate all the flying dust, plastics and shitty materials that shouldn't have existed in the first place, and the VOCs if someone will sleep there. Plus you will be using new materials that will polute even more (silicone in this video is just an exemple).
Why don't you explore building like before (maybe not granite I remember the older videos) but with clay, wood, maybe rocks, with some recycling (like the wood you find), and it would be a good combination.
No matter what you do keep up the good work and good luck
Despite the difficulties, the project of transforming a freezer into a home is truly original and the result is astonishing. The video perfectly captures the spirit of this unique adventure. I admire your patience and creativity in overcoming the obstacles
La verdad es que la edición de los videos ha mejorado drásticamente, tienen una línea argumental mucho mejor definida. Enhorabuena a los editores!! Ojalá todo el trabajo que estáis haciendo nos permita seguir viendo capítulos en invierno!!! Muchas gracias.
Till had more patience than I would've had!! Keep it up guys.
i love the dedication! Wood will dry and the Love and Work you put into making that place a home will last forever! Keep up the good work :) Craft takes time and effort and you are all most certainly craftspeople - sustainablity wont be easy and the box will exist forever anyway so you may as well make it into a home! Love from London
The general rule of thumb with second hard trailers, if they have wood in their floors, you're going to want to replace it.
Because water can always get into them. And in a truck that will have been regally hosed out, water infiltration is all but guaranteed.
As someone who lives off grid and tries himself to re-purpose and re-use everything possible I often find that the time dedicated to re-purposing some things would better be spent on other projects. Re-purposing many times requires more money and time than it would be to use another means of construction. A simple box truck (non-refrigerated) would have been easier, taken less time, and money to insulate and finish out. Opportunity cost is something I think about often. The amount of time, money and cursing that goes into re-using something oft is not worth it.
Warum nimmt man nicht Seecontainer. Daraus könnte man eine ganze Stadt bauen. Und wenn man genug Erfahrung im Ausbau gesammelt hat, könnte man sie auch verkaufen.
The primary goal of Project Kamp is to learn through their experiments, so they take on projects that most of us wouldn't have the time or money for, and keep at it when most of us would move on. It's totally fine to take a more practical approach when the main goal is getting the building done, but I appreciate their commitment to the experiment, even when it isn't the quickest or cheapest way to get things done.
They comment a lot on finding the balance between reusing/recycling/using natural materials and completing necessary tasks.
They have plenty of labour (many hands make light work) unlike most.
@@jackdbur I get it. But opportunity cost is a thing you have to consider. Are all those laborers time best spent accomplishing other tasks or not. Not there so I don't know... It was a comment based off my experience. I have run crews of guys on million dollar projects....
Project Kamp #124 - How to get sick building syndrome in a trailer
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Vinegar in bowls with help with the smell and vinegar spray on the walls and foam will help kill mold and fungus
Hi, I m Jenny from South Africa. I had a contract with an exporter, to setup a company, in Cape Town, that market was the Bulge of Africa with 2nd grade fruit. A 1/3 of our shipments was sold with "last voyage" refrigerated containers. We packed in as the last item a power supply and converter ( i am sure there are solo solution ). The final delivery was at the market and the buyer got their order with a big fridge at the same time. The container had many years more uses,. I think you should look as this, your "Food Team" would be able to reduce a lot of wastage. "Last Voyage" containers are abundant they only there because of the insurance companies. They are cheap when you buy directly from the liner's.
Take all the fiberglass out! I know it sounds counterintuitive, but itd be less work to just take the whole floor out then to take bits and pieces out trying to find whats good and whats not.. plus if you have to go back are redo it bc the mold spread then thats even more work..
yeah idk why they wasted all this time trying to salvage things, shoulda just tore it all down to the frame and rebuilt.
Serious question: If they take out all the fibreglass, plywood and isolation, what is eventually left of the trailer? Is there a metal "skeleton" within those walls? or is the integrity of the trailer based solely on that thick multi-layered wall construction?
@gregfraser4052 it can be but usually it's not.. mostly the wood and fiberglass help reinforce the structure so when it on the road with all the weight from the load inside it's sturdy. But seeing that it's not traveling on the road much anymore plus it doesn't have any product in it to add weight. The metal skeleton should be plenty enough to hold without the walls especially if they plan on fixing it up anytime soon
This video points to the importance of a thorough Pre purchase inspection. Ship that and you get disasters like this. "Buyer beware" is an important phrase to keep in mind when buying old things.
In theory, what you're saying, rustyevolution6298, is undeniable. The problem is that, in practice, it's nearly impossible to have absolute certainty about what we're buying, especially when it comes to real estate. Can a homebuyer really know how the bricks were laid or what kind of mortar was used? Demolishing everything to be sure is unthinkable. In the end, we're forced to rely on rough estimates and hope for the best. Unfortunately, our society has accustomed us to a consumer culture where blind trust is often betrayed.
Well done Thill. Messy job but we are going to learn a lot about these fridge boxes.
Credit where credit is due: Till is a champ!
But... this whole endeavour seemed baffling to me from the very start. In comparison, the pig trailer made somewhat sense. Beneath the foul superficial layer, you had a clear skeleton foundation to build off of. This thing though... feels like a horrible and hazardous mess. No amount of drying out those walls would make me sleep easily in that thing. Even if you wrap it up in a clean layer again, this whole trailer screams "seeping nastiness".
I love Project Kamp for their willingness to explore and investigate ways to go about things. Even if those ways feel "off" or inefficient to people who have year-long experiences in the respective fields. But building safe and sanitary housing should not be a gamble. Go for tried and tested paths. You shouldn't afford wasting resources on such major undertakings.
I can’t wait……these have been some of my favorite projects 👍🏻👍🏻
Phyllisanngodfrey6137, these videos are truly inspiring! Witnessing the transformation of the sketchy ruin and the old pig trailer has been thrilling. I am genuinely curious to see what the future holds for the old fridge box, the 3 rooms old brick ruin, and the granite ruin. And the Community Center building project? It's a colossal undertaking that promises to completely revolutionize the area!
Circular saw instead of angle grinder for all those long straight cuts with perfect depth control. Oscillating tool for getting into tight spaces like cutting those rotted bits of window framing.
Looks like polishing a turd. I love the recycle and reuse approach. But eventually you have to realise that stripping it down to the bone is better for the overall longevity of the trailer. Which also means that parts of the trailer will live longer.
This is to show that sometimes you have to really reflect if something is really worth trying to salvage. I understand the intentions of the project, trying to reuse stuff, and trying to waste as little as possible. But sometimes its just not feasible. Thats the reality of material stuff.
thank you for letting me come along
Where did you get this Till guy, he is amazing!!
He seems like such a professional guy, also he does not give up when things turns out to be negative.
Such a greay find :) keep it up folks
Aren't you guys affraid for al the forbidden and toxic materials which have been used in the past in lots of products? Toxic paints, PFAS/PFAO/Asbestos materials etc.
Good morning. IMO that was a bad investment. You probably have black mold and water damage under all the walls. It's probably best in future projects to stick with metal shipping containers. Good luck.
or trailers that just have the bottom bit and they build a structure on top of it
Yeah once it was discovered that a portion of the flooring was not only rotted but still retaining moisture, it was an indication that the best option was to just replace the entire flooring setup. Not only would it have been easier from a work planning standpoint, but it would also better future proof the build so you don't have to go back and replace another piece of the floor later, then another and another, etc. Better to just do the whole thing from the start and only have to do it one time.
Same goes for the wall structures as well once you discovered the rotted beams and connection points to the rotted floor.
Sometimes it's better to build from scratch than try to reuse. Or at the very least be prepared to replace entire sections of whatever you are converting. As my grandfather used to say:
"Half measures will often lead to double work."
This is especially true when you're doing so with potential living spaces and high traffic work spaces. Better to take the extra time and effort to do it all the way before it starts having people living/working in it than having to go back and do it all over again later on top of having to setup alternate living/work space for people after the fact.
Rule of thumb: if people aren't doing something it's either so brilliant nobody thought of it yet (not a big chance of that with 8 billion people around) or it has certain drawbacks
Rule of RUclips creator: The bigger the project the more content it produces. 😊
I would guess it is also a game of numbers - how many freezer boxes are available 2nd hand in a certain geography, where are they typically sold to etc.
For example, in central EU, all freezer trucks use (and have used for many years) tractor trailers (i.e. 15m long, 2 or 3-axle). A single-truck box like used here is fairly exotic.
Fridgeboxes DO get converted, but smaller ones. Just not often because 2nd hand ones are often actual garbage like this one ..
They're displaying exactly what these drawbacks are in great detail. The idea is that people who wouldn't otherwise consider using these recycling ideas might look at them, decide "That looks fine, actually", and decide it's worth it to follow suit.
Of course there are some drawbacks so severe that no one would decide that, but without trying you don't know what's what. You can make educated guesses but without experimentation people might continue writing off things they *think* will be awful that aren't actually all that bad.
8billion people ensures we get those who believe they are omnipotent making condescending comments on RUclips
It makes the pig trailer look like a dream project. 😊
I had a feeling this was going to be a problem when you bought it. Thank goodness you have competent people who are willing to tackle this very difficult job. 👍
Competent how.. no one is wearing a mask to protect them from all the fiberglass and mold they're inhaling
@@carolinebrewer2655 At least they're taking initiative and getting the job done. 🙄 I do agree that they need to be taking better precautions, however.
At what point in a project would you decide it's not worth it to continue? I feel like looking at the condition of the "clean" walls that you could never get this trailer fit for human habitation. The smell is going to stick around forever unless you replace every piece of the trailer. Without ripping everything out I'd be too worried about mold & fiberglass to house someone there.
thats pretty much what they did with the other trailer they converted, they stripped everything, maybe they will end up doing the same thing with this one
Theseus' fridge box trailer
@@Darx97 The other trailer was already pretty stripped to begin with.
Please do not allow anyone to live or sleep in that trailer! It’s a serious biohazard! You have no idea what else is hidden behind those walls. Your health is not worth the risk.
Maybe think about building an earthship house - built from dirt/clay and used tires, windows and glass bottles. They're very energy efficient and beautiful and it would be a draw to bring in tourists to visit later on.
You would want to build a small one just to see how it performs in a wet and rainy Portugal, if not done properly you could get a lot of moisture and mold just like in this trailer that isn't even below ground.
earthship houses out of old tires are cancer risks. Old tires are toxic and give off gasses, and are banned as a building material in some countries for a good reason.
They would never get a building permit for something that has no wheels or was a ruin
I think the only clean way to proceed is strip bottom, sides, top back to metal and rebuild with the reclaimed wood. Yeah a lot of work... but living in an old moldy box isn't nice. If the structures need to be temporary for permitting reasons, I think working with a used container is better
I think you should get all the surface layer fibreglass out to assess the extent of water damage before you decide if you want to patch it or redo the whole thing.
You might end up wasting more time, effort and material on the patchwork then find out the situation is actually beyond repair in the first place.
strip it down to the frame and go from there or junk it and keep the trailer. Theres probably mold in places that you aren't even close to seeing yet.
Unforunately, that plastic tarp you used as a vapour barrier in the pig trailer is going to cause this same issue!
I would focus on the plentiful acacias, with straw, cork, or wood shavings for insulation, with an earth plaster inside. More natural and less bad surprises. No need for powered tools. I've been building cob houses for a while now, it's really simple.
The amount of mold in that trailer is insane.
Moist and mold is probably also behind the sidepanels. Black mold is hazardous for your health.
I think you need to consider abandoning this project and search for another trailer as this one is not safe to live in.
So encouraging to see how you all can turn a not so good situation into a much better situation.
You learn from each different conversion. Hunting for reusuable materials. Finding issues and moving on. Patience and vision.
You can buy an induction moisture meter for about 20 euros. I would advise to buy one of these things to check whether there is moisture behind hard layers next time. That would save a lot of headache.
I will add to the list of commenters saying you are propably better off getting only metal containers or just trailer frames. Seems that many of these things you get that seem fine on the top end up being very time consuming. And in this case the fiberglass itself is a problem. As a living space and to dispose off when you strip it away.
Sorry guys but in my opinion this truck is a bad purchase. Wet, rotten, moldy and spores (maybe also asbestos?) all throughout. Even after letting it dry and tearing out the 'bad parts' I would never ask anyone to live there. The smell is also a dead giveaway. Sunk cost fallacy, recoup your losses and don't throw good money after bad money imo
When they presented this trailer purchase a few videos back, all I could think was "This does NOT feel right". Though at that time I didn't know why. Seeing this video now was full of "Oh, THAT'S why!" moments.
This is a fail, no way around it. Which is a bummer, but also totally fine. Much can be learned from all of this. But really, cut your losses and move on.
I was looking for a comment on sunk cost fallacy. Agree with you completely. It's already a good learning for the Kampers - chalk it down as a failure, but fail forward and move on with that knowledge.
All Good. Never to late to rethink and turn it into a storage space or workarea. I wouldn´t sleep there. Having contained dead animals should have been a red flag, insulating materials and all.. but hey, we're here to learn. I understand you aim at getting at least the permanent people warm through the winter, but i would focus on a different kind of structure. Or buy a trailer base with nothing on it and build something from scratch using healthy construction materials. One project i would love to see evolve from Precious Plastic onto Project Kamp would be the Geodesic Domes you made back then. They would be so handy here. Why not turning the fridge into a smelly Precious plastic workspace and create DOMES out of it? Great Job guys, thanks for sharing!
I love ALL Project Kamp videos!
I don't know you'll ever completely remove the rot smell, not an easy thing to get rid of.
That box is biohazard, no matter what you do. I wouldn't allow even my dogs to sleep in that box.
That smell will not go away completely, same as mold - i know this from my personal experience. Even with minor drop of water and some heat it come back and keep growing. The ONLY proper war to destroy mold from organic materials like wood, OSB or plywood - completely remove it and burn.
Steel frame on trailer looks pretty good, i'd prefer to build completely new, clean and safe for living structure on top of it. Frame building with reused paper insulation could be good option, if you need something more or less ecological and moveable.
Keep on going and never let mistakes to stop you from achieving to your goals! Best wishes!
Yep excess raw meat is 3rd class bio waste which means it cant even be fed to pigs or other animals. Better not let anything that goes into your mouth touch that floor
that dude cutting all that fiberglass with grinder earnd his life dose of cancer.. what a sustainable way of living...:D
That double swing kitchen door requires very strong mounting. The springs will rip the screws out of the frame.
The box is such a horrible idea, no matter how good you make it you're still going to be living inside a container that's impregnated with the blood of 100s of thousands of animals. That can't be undone.
Into the thick of it!
If I would be you, at this point I would come to a conclusion that I made a mistake buying this fridge box and I would abandon this project and focus on something else. I guess some of you must feel the same way. It's ok to make mistakes, don't get me wrong. Anyway good luck with whatever decision you make about this project
- tractor scam
- broke the water line in many places
- rotten fridge box
PC has so many 'wins' lately :P
And if you remember it was the exact same thing with the pig trailer, they had to tear it apart in order to find some non rusty metal.
Things are going well and I wouldn't be surprised If I listen about more people feeling 'left out' by their 'leaders' living on another part to not be around them..
@@vinyldown8490hey it looks like you follow the channel for a while so i don't know why you think that someone would be left behind in the project, it's like you read a contract then sign it and when you get angry you blame the people who wrote it. PC it far from perfect but in a viewer perspective it seems they are very cleare and transparent on show how they work
The project is a lot about documenting what works and what doesn't. Even thought they should have reached the conclusion that fridge boxes are not worth it, I think they should still push it through and see how far can this go. I'm pretty sure it still salvageable, maybe not economic viable, but documenting the issues could help other similar projects.
They paid like 5k for that.. So it's a money in the trash if they don't turn it useable.
Even in engineering we sometimes design and machine a tool and find we have throw it away because a a design fault, not easily detected initially
Till sounds like Borat "I liked it"
your purchasing department dont do enough research before major purchases. at this point you are either gonna accept this or continue to treat every bad purchase as singular unlucky decision. still gonna watch tho this is really an interesting journey to follow I really like you.
I feel so sorry for you when something doesn't go to plan. I suppose the big rainstorm was good for avoiding forest fires and for your vegetables and herbs. Hang in there! It's all the learning experience!
Scrap yard looked like a lot of fun! Good for you trying to repurpose and recycle but sometimes you gotta realize it’s time to walk away and try a new approach in order to save on other valuable resources like your time and energy. Keep up the great work as always and looking forward to the next update :)
Take the loss (ones again....) and renew all the wood. The mold is a biohazard.
You should listen to the many comments and abandon this trailer. Given the many "few days later" inserts, it seems that you spent a month or two on thia project allready. My neighbor build a 7x3 meters garden house in about 3 weeks using just wood and sheeps wool insulation. This ia also eco friendly and you could move in in about a month. Dont be so stubborn, this project could be potentially dangerous for the health of the person living in it...
that was frustrating to watch, just rip it out, you can't trust any of it.
Smaller fridgebox vans do get converted. So it's not because it's a fridgebox, it's because it's in terrible condition
Health care and art fridgebox trucks are a way better option regarding the box state, but it's frequently smaller. I bet the trucks your talking about aren't food related.
Thought u guys start uploading 4K video here last week onwards. Maybe just last week 😅 . Anyway love to watch ur project kamp team every week ❤❤
Oh my god! You came tomy favourite place in Barcelos, Braga! I get lost like when in a big shopping mall
I think removing the whole box is the smarter option. That way there is no mold, or rotten smells.
Fun fact (perhaps not so much fun in this context) the angle grinder was invented 70 years ago in 1954 by the company Ackermann + Schmitt (now FLEX, which is the generic name in many countries, much like Hoover in the UK and Ireland for vacuum cleaners).
I think you have enough trees to build a house from scratch instead of reusing a trailer used to transport corpses...
I'm amused by the comments telling you to just build new, as though repurposing weren't the entire point of the experiment 😅
Even though this is turning out to be a lot more work than anticipated, we're learning a lot about how materials work and age through time, and how things become "trash".
While watching, I started to think about how these materials are assembled, and what opportunities engineers and manufacturers can take in the future to make their products better suited for reuse and recycling. Are chemists working on watertight bonding materials that can be released chemically, but result in environmentally inert products after dissolution? Are nature-based building materials (such as plywood) able to be produced in a way that is safer for the environment, yet strong and affordable enough to replace traditional methods? Can we make insulated truck panels disassemblable and de-laminable, so damaged parts and materials can more easily be replaced? Can we close the loop in manufacturing and stop making mountains of garbage?
Thank you for the inspiration! I love all your videos, even (maybe especially) the ones that expose difficult problems.
As long as they draw the line where human health and safety is concerned! It was a really cool experiment idea and you're absolutely right, those are a lot of important questions. Someone else suggested turning it into just a work or tools room like the shipping container which would at least prevent it from being a total waste. But yeah this is not safe 😂😭
Look up sunk cost fallacy. Eventually repurposing is not worth it. There is still a metal frame that can be repurposed but mold is no joke and should be taken seriously. Imho remove the entire box. Repurpose the material that can be saved but build from scratch with repurposed material
@@odeode4338 I know what sunk cost fallacy is. My point was that if the ultimate goal is learning from the experiment, the cost is not necessarily "sunk". Any result will be hands-on knowledge.
Yes, they may have to scrap this one. Or it may require more inputs than the can access, which will end the experiment. But going further than one would go when the required outcome is a finished building for the lowest cost and effort is a feature of the experiment, not a flaw.
Tim Creswell says it right.
Trying to restore that "past it's sell bye date refrigerated trailer was too resource consuming and should have been abandoned to rather re-purpose the box
The effort you've put into it - by this time you would have built a brand new one on top of the base from the scrapyard materials :)
I'm curious about the preference for large trailers over smaller options like postal trucks or something that had a less risky past. Either way it's interesting to see the process
Meus vídeos favoritos são estes de construções alternativas, muito bacana tentar reutilizar estes materiais, torcendo para dar certo.❤
24:30 this sounds like a perfect home to me. :)
I'm ASTONISHED. Guys, that's a health hazard. You can't proceed. If you don't strip down everything and rebuild. This was a waste of purchasing. Also, every video is even more done in a unprofessional way. Like, check the meteo if you know that the trailer MUST NOT take rain or put the tarp anyways like EVERY builder does. I get the reuse style, but you are doing more and more random things in every video. Less professional, less interest from people.
Agreed!!
I have no idea what your point is here. Looks like a goldfish wrote this.
Guys fridge containers are called reefer trailers in America so you might have more luck searching for that.
Im building a house from three fridge containers and its not easy, need lots of ventilation and air flow but I'd imagine Portugal is way drier than Ireland.
Good luck with it all👍