There’s an old guy that lives a couple of streets over from me with a VN group a identical to this one that he drives everyday still! He’s had it since new, has a few Ks on it but this thing is absolutely spotless!!! Every time I see him I try to buy it off him… no luck unfortunately 😢 would look great next to my HQ
VK Group A for me my favorite holden always has been. I've got brocky on my wall with one. Love the VN group a too though, but im a holden man love em all i could go all day. You can't compare these cars in my opinion, it's a dumb argument they are awesome in there own right
VN for me for sure. Loved it when it came out, still love it. I bought an ex-lease VN manual wagon in 1992 when I was much younger and thought they were a great step up from the earlier Commodore.
@@Aussiesfinest922 there were definitely some around at the time I had a set at one stage left and right but they were nos so maybe an early batch or something
@@obiemichaels9675 nope. Look at PR of the time, the "We saved the best for last" Holden advert for the VN Group A and it shows the passenger side wheels with the outer ends of the spokes pointing clockwise - or left at the top. Ditto the “Welcome to the revolution, brother” brochures. Same for the two black Tooheys promotional cars. And the black Malaysian prince car. Similarly, 100s of Google images and adverts of many of the road cars sold over time show the same. Not one wheel with the spokes pointing the other way. What old mate here plays on but gets wrong is the bit about dragging as much cold air out the front wheel. Cool story bro, but the reality is that yes whilst a homologation car, under Group A rules the wheels were free, but had to retain the homologated diameter but could increase width by 2” or up to the class limit (how it was determined changed in 1988 from memory). The race wheels were by Speedline Corse and considerably different in design, and not directional. Last thing you would ever want as it would require you to effectively double your spares and be careful how you mounted rubber left to right.
Well being a previous owner of vk grpA 261 84 4sp no air they are a one of a kind road beast. Purchased 1997 with 33.000ks never seen rain or hot days came with original Bridgestone potenza's , first service sticker and factory wiper blades and still had strong new car smell never driven with windows down $28.5k .. I can tell you they have a different block thicker casting, B-cast heads fully blue printed/balanced even distributor and carby done. Bilsten shocks , harder brake pads list goes on they are SL commodores to start with yep taxis no sound proofing and other components to keep wait down. The original exhaust died so a full mandrel bent stainless dynomax muffler original style was fitted tig welded, dyno Max dyno run proved 301hp at the motor 208hp rw calculation to manufactures kW referencing in that form with the open exhaust manufacture would've badge the car at 250kw , I nursed the car but I also own a mint SV89 vn the vk grpA eat it , remember this it was the fastest 4dr production car in the world in 84,85 0-100 in 6.25sec the vtss gen3 just bet it in 2000 and neither did the vn grpA sorry hsv , Brock build plate still states Holden Special Vehicles also.. I sold it around 2003 with 37.000ks for $30k why 2 failed stolen attempts and I'm not a hogger gives other people to live the dream.. Brocky signing of car in 02 he was blown away of it's condition it was showroom and very hard to keep that way the hole car was factory bar the exhaust.. Missed out on a vngrpA 32.000ks ex hrt mechanics car mint also , have been in vn grpA totally 2 very different cars so I'll say for the race experience VK hands down comfort VN... Definitely not a shopping trolley never leave alone and lock them up better than gold Bullen or you'll never see again, my option now build a street vk to exspensive now to own as my old grpA would fetch $750-850k.. Cheers
you're one lucky bloke, i would give my right nut to own either. Out of the factory the VN was the quicker car though VK 1/4 mile: 15.00 seconds Top speed: 215 km/h 0-100: 7.0 seconds VN 0-100: 6.5 seconds Top speed = 253 km/h 1/4 mile:14.50 seconds
Put the VN Group A running gear in the VK then you have a very special car. They are both great cars but the VK is a dream to drive with its lighter weight on the limit.
i have vn t30 no1 of the 30 cars have had it a lot of years lovely car needing small repairs now that are getting done to bring it up to scratch i am a lot older now nice car muzza
The blue meanie is my pick, and I'm not really a vb to vl fan but there was somthing about the VK, clean and subtle yet still held that v8. The squared off wheel arches and bulky look and (in my option) cheap looking interior of the vn didn't do it for me. Holden cleaned up their act with the VR. Dad had a 6 speed VR GTS that creamed my brother in laws VN group A.
Hard choice, from different ends of the Group A road and race car spectrum. And with the VK being Brock built and the VN, HSV. As driving cars, the VN is faster, better in any performance measurement, and the VK is a bit simpler, and lighter, and with that Brock signature.. Purely as a collector car, I'd go with VK
Two beautiful cars but for me the VN has always held a soft-spot. It was the standard VN SS (in Atlas Grey) that really ignited my passion for the Aussie V8's - but the Group A was just next-level awesome, and the six speed manual with 17 inch rims was unheard of at the time!. Somehow the Blue Meanie just seems more bad-arsed though
Both incredible cars for their day but the VK does it for me. Either way it’s so nice to see original cars on original wheels, not 20 inch copies with cigarette paper tyree..
The one great regret I have in my motoring life is I never got to own a VK SS Group A. I test drove a second hand one when they were around 5 years old and sadly the engine was a little tired so I didn’t by it.
IM JUST JEALOUS READING YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU BROUGHT ONE NEW , THAT IS ONE CAR TO BUY , OUT OF THE HOLDENS , KEEP IT DRY FROM THE RAIN , KEEP IT RUST FREE , , DRVE IT ON A NICE DAY , DREAMS DO COME TRUE , 🍻👍, I had a VL GTS , first time seeing GTS R , I WAS ABLE TO AFFORD ONE HOLDEN MAGIZING 😊😅😅 I JUST LIKED HOW THEY CHOOSE THE RIGHT COLOUR FOR THAT SHAPE , , IT STILL BEST LOOKING , , AND THE MONARO 😊 HEY AT LEAST SOMEONE I DONT KNOW HAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT A GTS R, , FEELS LIKE IM GIVEN IT A HUG , 😂😂😂 👍👍 awsome too you ,
Vk group A commodore was designed and built by Peter Brock the VN group A was designed and built by Tom Walkinshaw I’d prefer an Aussie icon car over a Scottish one all day long
I'd consider swapping ss torana for a vn group a. Or better still I think it was in vs hsv a Limited Edition gts commodore. It had a 308/355 stroker I think it was. Come in yellow and black with a massive tail fin. I'd definitely swap for one of them. They were the last of the Holden's before they went to Chevrolet
VN all day...been near on 40 years and I'm still unable to reconcile with those hideous square instruments. The world class Commodore....Australia's driving future.
Being a previous owner of vk grpA I checked video again and yes I think the point your making is no little cut outs on bottom of bumper?. Hard to see but looks like there missing. All bars from factory have hdt stamp passenger side corner at the fare underneath of front bar , all molded front bars made for spares the stamp is in the middle fare spot underneath, just to differentiate between 100% genuine to a repair job but still genuine hdt bar Cheers..
The Formula Blue VK looks the best, but the VN would be faster and better......but like he said, comparing these cars to modern sports cars is like chalk and cheese.....a Hybrid Camry could drag these off.....I think both these need an engine compression test and tune.....they make a lot of noise but dont go anywhere....need to be tuned to get their beans back!
LIKE THEM BOTH , VN IS BETTER ,STILL LIKE THE VK LOOKS , JUST NEEDED TO BE LITTLE WIDER LIKE THE VN AND , LITTLE LONGER , LIKE THE VL , , VL SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE WIDER , , THEY GOT VN RIGHT , FOR THAT EXTRA ROOM AND COMFORT , , VN HAS A LOW CENTRE GRAVITY BETTER FOR CORNERING, , AND IT IS BASED FROM A CALTON LOTUS ,
HAHAHAHA Please, so much money for a average built car!! These blokes from Grays are just pumping up the prices of these cars and they just are not worth the cash!!
VK group A the most overrated overpriced budget quality Australian muscle car built.. the only thing they got right was the color and wheels.. weak engine, weak drivetrain and rubbish interior. At least with the VN you get some value, better performance, ride quality and technology.
Mate that’s the most intelligent comment I have ever read on the difference between the 2 cars! You would’ve hoped that considering there’s at least 5 years difference in the technology available at the time plus the multitude of rule changes there would be an improvement.
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There’s an old guy that lives a couple of streets over from me with a VN group a identical to this one that he drives everyday still! He’s had it since new, has a few Ks on it but this thing is absolutely spotless!!! Every time I see him I try to buy it off him… no luck unfortunately 😢 would look great next to my HQ
I'm a VH SS group 3 man but that VN is awesome👍 I drove 1 in 2002 & still 1 of the best Holden's ever made
VH SS group 3 .... one of the best
VK Group A for me my favorite holden always has been. I've got brocky on my wall with one. Love the VN group a too though, but im a holden man love em all i could go all day. You can't compare these cars in my opinion, it's a dumb argument they are awesome in there own right
agreed
Spot on Chris
VN for me for sure. Loved it when it came out, still love it. I bought an ex-lease VN manual wagon in 1992 when I was much younger and thought they were a great step up from the earlier Commodore.
Love an old commy/wagon/manual combo! One of my favourite previously owned cars is a VH 4spd wagon….
Can’t choose they both a legendary car
I owned a group A VN back in the day. I sold it in 2003 for 15k of memory. If only i knew then what i know now🤦♂️
Yeah i sold a Blue Meanie for $16,500.
Both Great Cars of The Day Holden Fan From The 70s .i'm in UK have a VE VXR8 .Cheers M8
I Love them both but the VN group A is just my favourite Holden of all time.
VK Group A All the way! 💙
The VK is iconic and an all round great car, the VN is rarer and was unloved for a long time. This VN is missing its left hand wheels though.
Well picked!
yep only one sided wheel
Vks had the directional rims the vn did not ..
@@Aussiesfinest922 there were definitely some around at the time I had a set at one stage left and right but they were nos so maybe an early batch or something
@@obiemichaels9675 nope.
Look at PR of the time, the "We saved the best for last" Holden advert for the VN Group A and it shows the passenger side wheels with the outer ends of the spokes pointing clockwise - or left at the top.
Ditto the “Welcome to the revolution, brother” brochures. Same for the two black Tooheys promotional cars. And the black Malaysian prince car.
Similarly, 100s of Google images and adverts of many of the road cars sold over time show the same. Not one wheel with the spokes pointing the other way.
What old mate here plays on but gets wrong is the bit about dragging as much cold air out the front wheel.
Cool story bro, but the reality is that yes whilst a homologation car, under Group A rules the wheels were free, but had to retain the homologated diameter but could increase width by 2” or up to the class limit (how it was determined changed in 1988 from memory).
The race wheels were by Speedline Corse and considerably different in design, and not directional. Last thing you would ever want as it would require you to effectively double your spares and be careful how you mounted rubber left to right.
I would say the VNSS Group A but, it is a close one. It is the very last Group A built by Holden.
To be so lucky to drive both very lucky.👍👍
Same as someone else’s comments love them both but have a much stronger love for the VN!
Gotta be the VN.
Family had a red VN Exec in the driveway as a young kid in the 90s, so its kinda stuck with me. Listen to that thing!
Well being a previous owner of vk grpA 261 84 4sp no air they are a one of a kind road beast.
Purchased 1997 with 33.000ks never seen rain or hot days came with original Bridgestone potenza's , first service sticker and factory wiper blades and still had strong new car smell never driven with windows down $28.5k ..
I can tell you they have a different block thicker casting, B-cast heads fully blue printed/balanced even distributor and carby done.
Bilsten shocks , harder brake pads list goes on they are SL commodores to start with yep taxis no sound proofing and other components to keep wait down.
The original exhaust died so a full mandrel bent stainless dynomax muffler original style was fitted tig welded, dyno Max dyno run proved 301hp at the motor 208hp rw calculation to manufactures kW referencing in that form with the open exhaust manufacture would've badge the car at 250kw , I nursed the car but I also own a mint SV89 vn the vk grpA eat it , remember this it was the fastest 4dr production car in the world in 84,85 0-100 in 6.25sec the vtss gen3 just bet it in 2000 and neither did the vn grpA sorry hsv , Brock build plate still states Holden Special Vehicles also..
I sold it around 2003 with 37.000ks for $30k why 2 failed stolen attempts and I'm not a hogger gives other people to live the dream..
Brocky signing of car in 02 he was blown away of it's condition it was showroom and very hard to keep that way the hole car was factory bar the exhaust..
Missed out on a vngrpA 32.000ks ex hrt mechanics car mint also , have been in vn grpA totally 2 very different cars so I'll say for the race experience VK hands down comfort VN...
Definitely not a shopping trolley never leave alone and lock them up better than gold Bullen or you'll never see again, my option now build a street vk to exspensive now to own as my old grpA would fetch $750-850k.. Cheers
Nice 👍 that is real world experience mate
@@alexyoung478 thanks Alex yep special cars , but these days best option is a lookalike at a 7th of the price... cheers
you're one lucky bloke, i would give my right nut to own either. Out of the factory the VN was the quicker car though
VK
1/4 mile: 15.00 seconds
Top speed: 215 km/h
0-100: 7.0 seconds
VN
0-100: 6.5 seconds
Top speed = 253 km/h
1/4 mile:14.50 seconds
love both of them, absolutely wicked cars. but the blue meanie will always be the best commy ever made in my eyes. absolutely brilliant.
Love them both...but the VN with the 6 speed and twin throttle body injected V8 does it for me. Love the Durif Red too.
The VK's front air dam had a wind tray that continued past the start of the sump.
1 of the lightest V8 Muscle car's ever built & very direct.
I remember back in the day a popular mod for stock commodores was to swap to a 5 speed supra transmission.
Put the VN Group A running gear in the VK then you have a very special car. They are both great cars but the VK is a dream to drive with its lighter weight on the limit.
VN for me although my favourite is the VL Group A SS, with plus pack of course 🙂
I love my mates VN he never changed the oil that v6 still ran. Respect.
VK GRP A is the best !!
Love both but if I had to choose the VN wins.
i have vn t30 no1 of the 30 cars have had it a lot of years lovely car needing small repairs now that are getting done to bring it up to scratch i am a lot older now nice car
muzza
This will have to be the best one made.
The VN Group A.
That injected intake manifold, twin throttle bodies👌🏾
The blue meanie is my pick, and I'm not really a vb to vl fan but there was somthing about the VK, clean and subtle yet still held that v8. The squared off wheel arches and bulky look and (in my option) cheap looking interior of the vn didn't do it for me. Holden cleaned up their act with the VR. Dad had a 6 speed VR GTS that creamed my brother in laws VN group A.
Explain to me how the VN Group A wheels draws in the air when there are directional but only made one sided?
It sucks in from the left and blows out the right wheel, LOL. ;)
tuff lookin and iconic. imagine opening your garage to these 2 bad boys
This is a hard one. Vk just. I might change my mind tomorrow
What about the VL?
Don't the 2 1/2 VLs count ?
And, the polariser?
Both nice cars but VL Group A walky my fav
Can’t choose. Both great Aussie cars.
Hard choice, from different ends of the Group A road and race car spectrum.
And with the VK being Brock built and the VN, HSV.
As driving cars, the VN is faster, better in any performance measurement, and the VK is a bit simpler, and lighter, and with that Brock signature..
Purely as a collector car, I'd go with VK
HDT has always held more magic for me than HSV, even though the VN is more technically advanced.
Two beautiful cars but for me the VN has always held a soft-spot. It was the standard VN SS (in Atlas Grey) that really ignited my passion for the Aussie V8's - but the Group A was just next-level awesome, and the six speed manual with 17 inch rims was unheard of at the time!. Somehow the Blue Meanie just seems more bad-arsed though
Both incredible cars for their day but the VK does it for me. Either way it’s so nice to see original cars on original wheels, not 20 inch copies with cigarette paper tyree..
The one great regret I have in my motoring life is I never got to own a VK SS Group A. I test drove a second hand one when they were around 5 years old and sadly the engine was a little tired so I didn’t by it.
Love them both, Dream cars, but thankfully I got a GTS R new!! What a Machine!!
IM JUST JEALOUS READING YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU BROUGHT ONE NEW , THAT IS ONE CAR TO BUY , OUT OF THE HOLDENS , KEEP IT DRY FROM THE RAIN ,
KEEP IT RUST FREE , , DRVE IT ON A NICE DAY , DREAMS DO COME TRUE , 🍻👍,
I had a VL GTS , first time seeing GTS R , I WAS ABLE TO AFFORD ONE HOLDEN MAGIZING 😊😅😅 I JUST LIKED HOW THEY CHOOSE THE RIGHT COLOUR FOR THAT SHAPE , , IT STILL BEST LOOKING , , AND THE MONARO 😊
HEY AT LEAST SOMEONE I DONT KNOW HAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT A GTS R, , FEELS LIKE IM GIVEN IT A HUG , 😂😂😂 👍👍 awsome too you ,
Awesome vn group a
Vn is my favourite
Wow what Aussie ingenuity two generations of cars awesome nuff said to euro flogs!
More iconic is the VK more practical to go shopping in is the VN, it’s that simple.
Give me either I'm not fussed.
VK and only because of the angle front and overall look.
Colour helps.
It's really hard to compare the two as they are so different for me I'd like the VN SS GRP A
Either both or none.. no way am I choosing one over the other
Vn is my pick
VN for me, have a replica with a 6ltr Vortech supercharged engine and wouldn't swap it for anything.
As l own a Vk.. and a VH.. l will take a VN..
Lol..
Both great cars..
Actually the Brock VL , maroon one
Vk group A commodore was designed and built by Peter Brock the VN group A was designed and built by Tom Walkinshaw I’d prefer an Aussie icon car over a Scottish one all day long
I'd consider swapping ss torana for a vn group a. Or better still I think it was in vs hsv a Limited Edition gts commodore. It had a 308/355 stroker I think it was. Come in yellow and black with a massive tail fin. I'd definitely swap for one of them. They were the last of the Holden's before they went to Chevrolet
I'm stuck in UK at moment waiting to return. I'll be back end of year. My cars on display at inverell transport museum in nsw
VN!
The VN with it's fuel injection and six speed is a whole new level above the VK
Absolutely
Vk all day
The VN Group A is a much better car. Everything about it is and should be better as it was the last Group A.
VK of course. It’s a No brainer Brian .
Vk bro just nice.
VN all day...been near on 40 years and I'm still unable to reconcile with those hideous square instruments. The world class Commodore....Australia's driving future.
The Vk Group A has a non genuine front bar
Being a previous owner of vk grpA I checked video again and yes I think the point your making is no little cut outs on bottom of bumper?.
Hard to see but looks like there missing.
All bars from factory have hdt stamp passenger side corner at the fare underneath of front bar , all molded front bars made for spares the stamp is in the middle fare spot underneath, just to differentiate between 100% genuine to a repair job but still genuine hdt bar Cheers..
Well picked, I was about to leave that comment. I own one and mine definitely has the slots for the air.
and the blue looks wrong
Look I'll take both please! But if I can only take one I'll take the Red one Please!!
I would take neither ,,,
Biggest difference between the VK and VN ...the VK was a Family 4 door sedan RWD V8...and the VN was a Family 4 door sedan RWD V8...oh...hold on?
hsv vn ss group A
It's a bit like choosing what child would you like to keep.
VN sitting outside right now
Both!
Both
The vk is a beast but how can u go past the vn!
VK is more iconic. In my opinion.
VK... that exactly one...
Blue SS.... Corvette wheels
I personally think the VK has a much better,classic look about it. The vn is a boat anchor.
The Formula Blue VK looks the best, but the VN would be faster and better......but like he said, comparing these cars to modern sports cars is like chalk and cheese.....a Hybrid Camry could drag these off.....I think both these need an engine compression test and tune.....they make a lot of noise but dont go anywhere....need to be tuned to get their beans back!
The vn. I learned to drive in one of them.. not the group a just an executive
VN everyday!!
Gotta be the vn
Peter Brock,, Blue Meanie..
VK all day.... It's about 250kg lighter, only down 20kw, a shorter wheelbase and isn't plastic
This guy is being very careful.....best not to thrash a cold old V8 engine....would take some time to warm these cars up.
A trillion times better then the newer ones. Its chalk and cheese
Not a Holden MAN but the VK IS BETTER LOOKING.
VK all day
LIKE THEM BOTH , VN IS BETTER ,STILL LIKE THE VK LOOKS , JUST NEEDED TO BE LITTLE WIDER LIKE THE VN AND , LITTLE LONGER , LIKE THE VL , , VL SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE WIDER , , THEY GOT VN RIGHT , FOR THAT EXTRA ROOM AND COMFORT , , VN HAS A LOW CENTRE GRAVITY BETTER FOR CORNERING, , AND IT IS BASED FROM A CALTON LOTUS ,
VN🤠
The VN cause I got long legs
The VK is great but you can’t go past the VN
VN all the way.
The Brock VK is overdone I reckon. 👍🏻
It's a really hard choice...ummm......vk group a for me.
HAHAHAHA Please, so much money for a average built car!! These blokes from Grays are just pumping up the prices of these cars and they just are not worth the cash!!
You obviously haven't seen Lloyd's auctions then if you want to see inflating prices
VK
vk all day
Vn!
Vk
VK group A the most overrated overpriced budget quality Australian muscle car built.. the only thing they got right was the color and wheels.. weak engine, weak drivetrain and rubbish interior.
At least with the VN you get some value, better performance, ride quality and technology.
Mate that’s the most intelligent comment I have ever read on the difference between the 2 cars! You would’ve hoped that considering there’s at least 5 years difference in the technology available at the time plus the multitude of rule changes there would be an improvement.
Vy
drive faster next time
Prefer a reply to my email...
Give me the Blue go cart over the Red barge!