A brief point about the origins of historic photos, genuine fakes and hyperreality.
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2024
- Something can be both real and false.
If you happen to know the specific event where the big photo was taken, I would be pleased to hear it, as my own research into it was inconclusive besides that it was "an event".
The same thing happened with my people, us California natives were forced to dress like plains Indians and pose near tipis for attractions.
Back then whites were putting people in places. Such was the case with Finnish workers starting a unity in companies, and something had to be done to get rid of Finnish peoples American citizenship, so a "researcher" had to come fourth and state that Finns are mongolians, and not white, hence the asiatic appearences and tendency to start a mutuny in mining and logging companies. This whole situation sounds so ridiculous and absurd, but then I remember the other Nordic Americans squinted their eyes and called American Finns "China Swedes", which is so disrespectful to even think we would be Swedish.
And what is worse is that people are using AI to create false historical photos. AI shows you what you want to see.
If of course what you want to see is something it can comprehend or communicate back.
@@EchoLog if not it makes things up.
It’ll be concerning if people can soon falsely create historical evidence in photos with it
@@thatonelad4594 That's what the OP was saying. They already can.
I have not seen any good ai picture.
Been thinking about this a lot learning about the Selk'nam. These aren't pictures of people just living their lives, these are pictures of people in extraordinary circumstances, and on the designated day that they were all getting their pictures taken. You can look at these pictures and know something is false, but you can never know for sure if something is true.
"It's easy to mislead with a camera." So true. In the past and unfortunately into today, as we see in the false world of SM.
Thank you Malcolm. Your content is invaluable.
Something that fascinates me about native culture and many past civilizations you pointed out pretty well here is the bias we reconstruct them with and the re-humanizing them not as fairy tale monsters, but as people. People that were affraid, and desperate, curious and biased themselves, that there's multiple layers to their story that isnt just surface value and plainly stated.
Always look forward to your thoughts and videos. Thank you for posting.
great insight. the context of these photo is very important. hyper reality for spectacles😞 it is always misleading.
as with pre photography images from any time any place in the past:
what is shown? what are they tring to show? who is paying for it? who was intended to see it?
Thank you!
Excellent!
Any books you can recommend on either very very early contact or 1900's era history in Canada/Alaska?
Also randomly, any idea on the decibels from hammering steel about 30m away? (Asking for my shitty neighbor)
I can't really give you any book recommendations, I mostly read primary sources and dry academic publications, neither of which are fun to read.
Sometimes, even something that seems real can turn out to be faked or otherwise misleading.
There's a video on RUclips purporting to be a short silent film documenting battles between China and Japan in 1933. This makes sense at face value, given silent films were still fairly common then, especially in China where they didn't always have access to the latest technology. The backgrounds in the film also seem to match up with the landscapes of northern China, where the 1933 battles took place.
One thing that didn't add up was that the film came from an American museum, and its description claimed it was about civil war in China in the '30s, but the text seemed to imply it was about a struggle against the Japanese. That didn't make sense, but since it matched up so well with what I know of northern China in 1933 that I thought it was genuine, albeit mislabelled.
But then I read a book about the Chinese warlord Zhang Zuolin, and the book featured a picture of Zuolin's son Zhang Xueliang. I recognised it as a still from that silent film on RUclips, but the book said it was from a 1920s documentary. I checked the reference and found the documentary in an online British museum.
It was over two hours long, made by Russian mercenaries working for Zhang Zuolin fighting other Chinese warlords in the '20s. The film from the American museum was 15 minutes. All of its footage was clearly taken from the Russian documentary, but the original text had been removed and replaced with text that made it sound like it was from '33.
That's all I was able to dig up. My guess is that someone in the '30s saw this documentary and plagiarised it for a documentary about the battles between China and Japan in 1933. It then ended up in an American museum, which assumed it was genuine, but mislabelled it to be about a civil war.
That is simply fascinating and bizarre.
@@MalcolmPL Yeah, it was quite a shock to me when I saw the picture in the book
I'm from Australia and have literally no relation to native Americans but your channel is super interesting keep it up.
I hope that Mapillary survives some centuries.
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And hundreds of years from now somebody will find Tik-Tok videos and conclude we were all idiots... conclusion will be right, even though source will be staged.
Sorry, couldn't resists even though it's not directly related to topic at hand. Thank you Malcolm.
Yep, photos can lie and movies are proof of this.
Thank you
Often, the older the photo, the more likely it is to be staged