Alan Wake 2 | Balance of Order & Chaos
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Alan Wake 2 has come and we have a load more to discuss. By the end of the story Saga's freedom within the plot is crucial to the success of the narrative. If she was bound by the events just like everyone else, nothing would be accomplished.
The delicate balance between Order and Chaos is a tricky thing. Too far one way and we see executive force. Too far down the other the foundation cracks and everything crumbles into nothingness.
Alan Wake 2 | Balance of Order & Chaos
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I think something that stands out (and might have irritated players) was that Saga isn't a severely flawed character like Alan. She is a fairly well-adjusted, reasonable, logical person with no major hangups. When it comes to a standard fiction story, that probably isn't what you want. You usually want a damaged person to add drama to your plot.
But Alan Wake 2 is a post-modernist story. It's a story that explores stories. So Saga being a person with past trauma or a dramatic personality conflicts with what we are used to seeing. When the Dark Presence warped reality to destroy Saga's past, she simply refused to accept it. We never have the cliche scene where she drops to her knees and screams and weeps at her tragedy. Even when Saga is trapped in her own spiral, the doubts she had aren't severe. They are fairly standard doubts and fears everyone has.
I think the Dark Presence just doesn't prey on artists, it preys on severely flawed people and uses those flaws to manipulate them. It just so happens that very creative people tend to have a ton of issues. Alan is a deeply flawed person and that's how the Dark Presence was able to get its claws so deeply into him. Saga isn't perfect, but she isn't a mess of a human being like Alan so the Dark Presence didn't have much to anchor itself to in her. And when it did get her, she was able to shake it off without too much difficulty.
I would actually argue that Saga has a fair few number of personality flaws, most she hides rather well but they do boil up; but in the case of the story they don't impede her ability to fight back.... yet. If the Dark Presence had the time to adapt to her like it did her Grandfather and Uncle it's likely that she would have been a far less effective actor on the board.
Her biggest flaw from what I see is her confirmation bias and general myopic view on the situation at hand, her insistence that everything in the game is Alan's doing, when she has seen and even witnessed other actors in play (the Dr.s Marmont and the Lake House Project run by the FBC in particular). She even sees the poems all but warn her of being a reckless hero that endanger their children and doesn't even bat an eye, even when she knows that they were not written by Alan.... she completely ignores the context and blames Alan when it's just as likely that the Lake House rituals are what pulled in Logan as not (Saga enacting the Ritual by filling the role of reckless hero and thus the rest getting pulled in.... The FBC and their rituals :S)
In most contexts this would be seen as a terrible flaw, a career focused woman looking to own 'her' case (as she slipped up and said to Estevez) and reap the accolades regardless of the cost.... But it doesn't stop her from asking Alan to help her with his abilities to save Alex and Logan even if he may/may not have been the one responsible for Logan's involvement. This is the critical point as regardless of her hangups she's able to take the next step before the Dark Presence can adapt thus fulfilling the requirements to save all involved just in the nick of time.
I agree. Saga certainly has her own personality issues that her Dark Place experience preys on. But she isnt traumatized or have a really dark mind like Alan does. So the Dark Place has less to work with.
Any normal FBI agent would NEVER take a human heart in her bare hands and push it through a sign just because some paper told her so. She is over eager to play into the narrative. She is reckless for sure. D.r Campbell's nursery rhymes describe this a lot. They are largely about the situation between her and her daughter.
One could argue that if she wasn't so excited to buy into the story nothing would have happened. The rituals she performed caused Return to keep proceeding.
But again these mild personality quirks are nowhere near the level of damage Alan has so it does affect them differently. Regular anxieties
@@GamingUniversityUoG On a related topic, one of the interesting bits is that rhymes are not Alan's work but the FBC's (or rather the Dr.s Marmont). They where working on a breakthrough of some kind separate from anything Alan was doing or working on, but practically play out Saga's story long in advance of the games events. As she plays out the story of the reckless hero, she's basically partaking in a complex ritual, step by step, by fulfilling the requirements. (though one might wonder what the Dr.s thought this would prove... but we don't have enough data on that... yet :P)
Here is a question based on some conjecture: Was this Alan writing the story in advance and make another writer write them selves, Saga and Logan into the story or are we seeing forming and slowly merging into the larger one (Alan's Return), much like the transition cutscenes between Saga's missions and Alan's might suggest.
I would lean to the latter personally as we haven't ever scene a writer influencing another writers work directly in context only by influencing there surroundings..... (IE Tom and the Clicker)
... Another Crazy, thought..... What if thats what drew Logan into Alans story? Not that Alan wrote her in but that Alan wrote Saga in to try and prevent catastrophe and the spiral Logan was in was merged with his by accident.
That would explain how nothing I've seen in Alan's writing suggests he wrote Logan into anything, but would still explain why Alan and Clicker are needed to save her.
Anyhow, just some thoughts of mine. Thanks for the reply!!!
@@draydin_r5558 We'll probably learn more in the Lake House DLC.
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The Balance of Order and Chaos is also echoed in Balance Slays the Demon. As the combined forces or Saga and Alan, the Balance, defeat the Dark Presence, The Demon, and as wel learn from the Final Draft both Alan and Saga find Peace.
Huge props to Remedy if this was their original idea when creating American Nightmare and Balance Slays the Demon.
There’s a lot in Balance Slays the Demon that I think directly references events in this game. One of the bridges talks about “a beautiful face in leather and lace” which I think is directly talking about this version of Zane we meet in the dark place for example, since it doesn’t really fit the version of Scratch we see in American Nightmare
In the end, it's never just the light you need
When balance slays the demon, you'll find peace
In the end, it's never just the dark you seek
When balance slays the demon, you'll find peace
Find the peace
I think the reason he made more progress after thirteen years was because he was missing a very important part of the Hero's journey, the Initiation. He did the Departure and tried to skip to the Return but then realized that it wouldn't work without Initiation. I'm amazed Alan didn't realize it sooner, the hero's journey is one of the most fundamental storytelling techniques so many of the stories we grew up with revolved around that formula.
Alan is objectively a bad writer, dude types like an old man and plagiarizes Stephen King for the whole game lol
Well, when you have the Dark Presence in your head, it’s hard to make the right choices.
@@lolocoaster1 Alan's Alex Casey books were good because Alan was a parautilitarian since birth with clarvoyance, he saw Alex's life in his dreams and wrote about it. I guess Alan has to write based on his own imagination in the game, so he sucks.
To be fair he forgets every time he tries, so it's honestly a miracle that he thought about it at all considering he didn't before. I don't even think he would've ever realized this if not for Seine, Alice, Saga, Darling, etc.
Partly, yes, but Saga and Alice also played a very big part. Everything had to come together just right
is ahti bound by the story? i think he is willingly just GOING WITH THE FLOW
We don't see manuscripts from his perspective. Only the one from Door where he notices he has become a character and allows it. Ahti might be similar.
"In the end, it's never just the light you need
When balance slays the demon, you'll find peace
In the end, it's never just the dark you seek
When balance slays the demon, you'll find peace"
Tune is a banger!
(You'll find peeeeeace)
Nice video. For me, there is an unanswered question: What is the role of the deer in this story? The symbolic of the deer appears in so many parts, in deerfest, as the mask for the cult of the tree, Zane also wore the mask and finally, Saga has the deer as a spirit animal. For what does the deer stands?
I've been trying to figure this out as well, beyond simple forest symbolism.
In Finnish ancient paganism, from which Kalevala is also written, Deers are seen as creatures with connection to the supernatural or the "otherworld".
It's part of tradition Finnish mythology. Deers have a connection to the spiritual.
Thank you for the video!
May this year bring us together in shaping the formless chaos of the Dark Place in solid and interesting theories!
Oh we will be diving into this game for a good long while!
I'm interested in what Alan means by being the master of many worlds in the Final Draft's ending.
I’m not sure directly but it’s not a coincidence that he comes into this role in the same game where Tim Breaker shows up, practically screaming ‘ITS ME IM JACK JOYCE’, lol. Also, Casper Darling is here, with his ‘interpretation of Many Worlds’ book, and he was shown conversing with Zane about a collaboration… 🤔🤔🤔
Well it is a psuedo reference to the last phase of the heroes journey. 'Master of Two Worlds'. Meaning the ordinary and other world is within his understanding and mastery. But considering infinite worlds can exist video the dark place he said many worlds.
So, I've played the game twice, seeing both the regular and Final Draft endings, and there's still a lot I'm confused about (in a good way, generally!) One thing I'm really trying to get my head around is how, exactly, what Alan is doing in the Dark Place is supposed to help him escape. He's writing, yes, but what he writes are stories about Alex Casey investigating a cult. For a story to help him escape, shouldn't it need to have him, Alan, as a character, like the way in the first game that Alan wrote himself into Departure to save Alice stop the Dark Presence from escaping? I feel like I've overlooked something vital.
He did kind of write him into that cult. I remember him saying 'It seems weird hearing my name like this, but it's needed for the story'.
@@hellcat1401 he tried to be the protagonist and failed, having Casey take up the reigns feels like a natural extension of that. Plus, he was still under the impression that Casey was fictional right? Easier to see him as expendable, he wrote Casey to die before he can do it again
in fact, you're right. it itsn't helping. or better yet he "needs to descend in order to ascend", as Alice says. he had to go through these inconclusive loops so Saga could see him in Overlaps and he could see Saga in turn and put her in the story, as she is the one who brings him back from the DP. ultimately, it was the only thing he could do, try and try again until something changed.
btw Alan already is the main character, as Door says in the show, Initiation is autofiction meaning Alan is both the writer and the protagonist. and Casey senses this too as all gameplay sections in the DP are Alan projecting himself outside the writer's room, so Casey's story is a story inside a story; it's actually more like an ouroboros i think, the writer follows the character that follows the writer.
or at least this is my interpretation! 😁
Alan does make himself the main character. He replaces Casey as the detective in Initiation just like he wrote himself into Departure. The final section in Poet's Cinema has Alan confronting the very idea that's he's made himself part of his own fiction and the possible implications.
Yes Alan plays the role of Casey during the DP sections. At least a projection of him does. In the end he needs a story that facilitates his escape. He cant just find a Door and walk out like some people.
Happy New Year Dean can't wait for more Lore videos they are a Great REMEDY for depression.
Respect and keep up the epic work and here is to more TIME KNIFE ⏰🗡 lol.
Time knife!
By the way when Saga leaves the Dark Place version of her mind place did you notice the beginnings of the Night Springs title sequence?
hey men, I know you’re must be busy asf but could you bring more content of Quantum Break? that would be awesome ngl, but whatever other game you wish would be fine too you’re always doing a great job anyway
I have maybe 3 topics on my to do list for Quantum break. That being said everything related to Alan Wake 2 may have an impact in QB so that may be a fourth
Can u make a video about new game plus bcz i can't quite understand why did the final draft ending work if there was supposed to be a sacrifice
One could argue Odin and tor were the sacrifice for Saga. And Alice is the sacrifice for Alan. She was still there by the end. Frankly I think the difference between the two is Alan was aware of Alice being involved which let hin take that into account
I've been going through and binge watching all your videos since finishing Alan Wake 2 and I just wanted to say how a great a job you've done with these videos!
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoy these
Alan has been trying to write Return for the past 13 years. How long do you think he's been trying to write Initiation?
I forget the timeline, but doesn’t Alice say in one of her first videos that a few years prior to the games start that Alan started showing up in the apartment? I take that to mean he probably has been stuck in this initiation loop for at least a few years, eventually showing up to haunt Alice every night as she states.
I believe it was 2017 when Alice first started getting visitations from Alan. That's when she decided to talk to.the FBC and went to the Oldest House briefly. Backstory of the AWE dlc and all.
This is from the house of dreams :-
The Title Page (07/26/12) 5:37PM
"RETURN by ?
Note: as said, this is not a poem, more like a title page for something. The name of the author has been thoroughly and violently scratched out. Written above the title: "Campbell's MONOMYTH! I) Departure II) Initiation! III) Return".
I have a question about the loop, I know that it acts like a new game plus and because of that not much changes but what was the change that lead to the true ending? Because we only get new manuscript pages and some new videos but I don't understand how that affects the overall story
In terms of what he actually wrote that he iterated on to get out, no idea. In the overall scheme, he remembers parts of past attempts and learns to accept help from Alice and Saga.
Whatever he retained from Alice's videos prompted him to change the ending so that a relatively happy ending could be carried out.
Taking it up a level, if you combine all of the attempts into one big horror story then whatever happy ending he wants could be considered earned.
I would argue it is knowledge of Alice's presence. Where in the base game he was unaware until the end
@@GamingUniversityUoG I mentioned this for the original ending, but I feel the Divine Comedy links are even stronger now.
It's partly memory, partly luck, but pay attention to the movement of the bullet of light; the loop gave it some time through each iteration to be charged a bit without being corrupted.
I haven't heard this channel or any comments talk about how Ahti is literally in almost EVERY PICTURE with Door in the TV studio. The only people prominent on the walls are Alan, Alex, Door, Old God's of Asgard, and Ahti. Ahti has self portraits in Doors room, Alan's room, and Pictures with his arm around Door and Doors around him. If you know Finnish Folklore you know Ahti is the River God/Sailor or Fisherman God depending on translation, but in layman's terms, the water God, or God of guiding those on water home. After AW2 it's clear thats who he is representing in Remedys world. Janitor who only mops, switch between saga and Alan by overturned mop buckets. Gives Jesse the Walkman in the foundation which is an endless room of water. In AW2 he tells Alan two broken proverbs about water. Thats because Ahti serves AS THE MEMORY OF THIS WORLD. Thats why he doesn't have a double like EVERY OTHER MAJOR CHARACTER. Hatch, Door. Beth, Jesse. Jack/Tim. But Ahti moves through always as Ahti. What does he tell Alan? "Water is the memory of the world, water finds its way". When does he say it, when he REMINDS ALAN THAT HE LEFT THE LAMP IN THE BASEMENT SHOE BOX. Ahti is THE MEMORY. In other words, Ahti is THE CONSTANT. Ahti is the ONLY CONSTANT we know of and can prove in terms of major characters. He only ever helps AT THE EXACT MOMENT THE EVENT IS TO OCCUR. If you search Valhalla before the climax with Saga and try and get into the spiral door on the top floor, he literally appears out of nowhere and recites another broken proverb/riddle, basically saying it's not time for that yet, and when it is time.....who's there? Ahti...what does he do.....literally grabs the key and opens the door for you. He is the CONSTANT. Across all possible quantum states, Ahti remains constant. He never directly involves himself in the plot, he only ever serves as the memory of the story, and when the story comes to a specific part, he hands you a Walkman, reminds you where you left the lamp, opens the Valhalla door for you. Even his singing in watery the lyrics are ONE FOR ONE THE EVENTS OF THE GAME. Yet does he sing in English so Saga can understand? No....he sings in Finnish, so even him singing the exact events about to unfold start to finish, he doesn't get involved directly because he sings in a language Saga can't understand.
I don't know why this is so emotional to me...
Balance slayed the demon finally. Great vid Dean!
Thank you! Cant wait for my Old Gods series
@@GamingUniversityUoG Looking forward to it!
We don't know if Door is actually Saga father yet. But it's a high probability
There is way too much evidence for it. Door vanished in 1988 from lightening strike. Tor drove away Saga's father in 1988. Manuscript about him striking away an entity with lightening in 1988. Door acknowledging Alan brought someone he cares for into the story. If it walks and talks like a duck kind of thing.
@GamingUniversityUoG understand and agree. Would suck for remedy to throw a curve ball though.
@@GamingUniversityUoGNot to mention Saga’s conversation with Tor about her father started with him saying “some Doors need to stay closed” with emphasis on Doors.
Just dropping in not to watch this video or in fact any of your AW2 videos but to say a massive thank you for all the effort you've put into all your videos. Last year i played Alan Wake on a whim and got bit by the the Remedy bug hard! I've now played American nightmare, Control, Quantum break, and Max Payne, scoured all additional content and watched all your videos for a much deeper understanding...and now i take the next step. Thank you, you are a miracle illuminated! ❤
I would love to see a video on how does one escape from the dark place. Each case of escape seems individual and different, but also connected and the same. Thanks for all your content
In this scenario is follows the heroes journey option of 'Rescue from Without'. Needs work on both sides. Otherwise any story of his escape would snap him back into the dark place once it finishes. Just like American nightmare. I think that's why he retconned the Clicker to make permanent changes so that he can use to to make it stay this time.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I’m more interested in looking at the characters that have successfully escaped the dark place more than how will Alan escape. But thankful for your insight
Characters like the Anderson Brothers (who seem to just go in and out of that place as they please) or Alice.
Even saga to an extent but I’m not sure she ever really escaped or if the dark place placed a trick on her
As far as how Alan will escape, I have very similar thoughts, but yours are much more fleshed out.
Good video! I think I agree with this insofar as the overarching narrative didn't work without Saga. Just as Return was insufficient without Initiation, Alan couldn't break free on his own without Saga. IMO, this is because Alan himself was a creation of the story (because he was a proper vessel for the DP, unlike Casey, who was an improper vessel because he was not created by the story). He wasn't "real" and needed someone else who was real to break him out of the story and the Dark Place.
However, this doesn't account for the fact that the only difference between the prior draft and the final draft was Alice's interventions in the story. It was her doings, whatever they were, that helped him finally break free and destroy the DP. But we don't know enough about what she did except for taking an additional photo of Alan shot with the bullet of light. I'm still in the dark on how she finally succeeded where the others had failed.
I will say, the idea that Casey was an improper host is something Alan wrote in the ending specifically so that DP would be ejected from Casey and only be able to go into one person, the person needing to be shot. Why the one picture was the change I'm not sure, maybe it's to signify "Alan will be shot, but have his eyes open, he will be fine", which is how he survived the shot. Maybe?
Yeah the implication is they imply Alan took on the role of Casey in the story of Initation. Playing out the investigatiom he performed. This puts him in a 'state of fiction' temporarily. That whole bit was just a retcon excuse to force the DP out of the real Casey and into him.
@GamingUniversityUoG you're probably right, but the retconning seems unnecessary. We've already established that the Clicker doesn't only make art real; it can also be used as a weapon against the DPr. So it's not a stretch to see how just using the Clicker without being tied to art could drive the DPr out of Casey. Saga is immune, so the only one left in that area of the DPl for the DPr to possess is Wake.
Really nice analysis!
I am looking forward for the Night Springs and Lakehouse DLCs because, from what I understand, a lot of questions will be answered, and the story will move forward.
Alan influenced, and maybe even created some if not all of, the events of Control, while trying to write Return.
Alan kept opening doors and peeking into other places, as Door said.
And since the Dark Place is a mirror/gateway between realities, the darkness between the light of the different universes in the multiverse, I guess that Alan got mixed up in pretty much everything Remedy has created.
And all that was done because he omitted the Initiation part, what should come before Return!
I want to see this! And I want to see what comes after the final draft ending. The Lakehouse DLC should set up Control 2 in some way.
I also get the feeling that Saga is a much better co-protagonist and co-author to Alan than, say, Jesse would be. Jesse, although powerful, has been shown to barely defeat the "Thing that had been Hartman", and would become bound to the story if she got involved. Even freaking Ahti had to be somewhat bound to the story in order to help. Saga's gift as a seer was a MUCH better tool.
0:22 May I politely disagree with your statement? When watching a show, playing a game, or reading a book, you always miss some detail. Sometimes that detail changes the whole story in your head because it may connect two important dots in the storyline.
There’s one book that I have read over 30 times in my life and I still find things I’ve missed. The story itself never changes, but the way the person who consumes the storyline, it can change.
Yes I know I’m taking the statement too literally….it’s just the way I think
I'd honestly say that "The dark presence." (Read: Scratch) is more of an Alan Phenomena, or at least more properly driven as seeing him as the best option for leaving the dark place. Since it's established to be a realm of it's own, which in all honesty is chaos embodied. It has no real rules, no real order aside from what a creative mind can put upon it, which is still a distorted vision of what said artist tries to impose when "Entering". Also, as far as the Remedy-verse goes. Ahti is NOT something that can be fixed. He appears to very much be where he wants to be, when he wants to be, but in the case of AW2 plays along with the story to help Alan and Saga. Being a force of Order within the Chaos while still allowing the freedom of the two within the written story as is required.
Did not catch the connection between tor and saga. Neat.
I just saw a video by mr.mythos titled time mirrors that echo alot of alan wake lore & theory. You should dig into this its insane
So, this might be out of the scope of this video, but is the implication of the final draft ending that The Dark Presence is born from Alan being shot with the bullet of light meaning that this is the moment it was created? Alan mentions that choices affect the past and future in his ending monologue, and I started thinking about his explanation in connection to how time travel is shown to work in Quantum Break, where attempts to change the past only lead to you causing the events you are trying to prevent. Wondering that everyone’s interpretation of that part of the Final Draft was
I interpreted it similarly. The Dark Presence was always Alan. The story began and ended in the same place/action; a closed loop from the endless spiral Alan had been trapped in.
The connection to QB is a great observation and one of the only times I’ve seen someone reference it, and you’re absolutely right. The entire point of that games narrative, and the lesson Alan learned in writing it, was that time is fixed, decisions you make to try and change something will end up being the reason it happened to begin with. So he used that in his Final Draft.
My takeaway on the ending itself: Alan and Saga used the Clicker to change the Dark Presence itself. They changed it to be an inward shadow instead of a eldritch horror. Alan writes a story about the Dark Presence growing more powerful, enough to change the past, and then uses the Clicker to change the origin story of the Dark Presence to manifest it as something that can be defeated. But again, the narrative of QB comes to mind, so he writes it in as an ouruboros of creation, not at all unlike the CFR/Fracture/End of Time.
Beth Wilder travels back to the past to inform William Joyce about the CFR, which ends up creating the Fracture, which sets Beth Wilder on the path to the past, etc.
Time does work differently between QB and The Dark Place. That being said thematically it is similar. Closed loop in QB. But Alan is inspired by future events and draws upon them which closes the loop as well. Chicken or egg situation
@@GamingUniversityUoG You’re right. But it’s interesting to note that from Jack Joyce’s perspective, Time loops around, and yet it moves forward. Exactly like Alan suggests Time works in the Final Draft.
Great Video, keep it going :)
Thank you! I have a lot back logged for this game
Just want to say the quality of your videos are amazing, I've enjoyed all of your remedy-verse videos!
Thank you very much! I'm lucky to work with an amazing editor that makes my ramblings coherent
Wait...
Warlin Door is Saga's FATHER?
RAAAAGGGHHHH
Sam lake is the Greatest storyteller of all time
RAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHH
OK so Door is Sagas dad, OK good, I was worried I was being racist
I am begging you to do an analysis of the new Old Gods of Asgard songs (especially Anger's Remorse and Dark Ocean Summoning)
Oh I'll do a full series on the Rebirth Album
I must have missed something, what evidence is there that Mr. Door is Saga's father? Tor doesn't mention it to Alan nor when Saga is in the Dark Place, neither Tor nor Odin make any inferences about Mr. Door being her father and it feels as if Tor wouldn't now help out Saga's father to guide Alan because he deserted Freya and Saga. And the allusion (I think it's an allusion, I don't think we can 100% say) to Tor and Odin making some sort of arrangement with Mr. Door pre-Alan Wake 1 (Pre Tom Zane? Why would Mr. Door take Odin's eye?) doesn't to me, mean that particular arrangement is why Saga's father left.
When Saga asked Tor about her father, one of the first things Tor said is “some doors need to stay closed,” with much emphasis on the word Door. And when Mr. Door confronted Alan, he said that Alan roped someone important to him into the story, with the most obvious example of this being Saga.
Hmm, thank you. The "some doors" line I didn't think much of at the time, but Remedy being Remedy, maybe that line should hold more weight than I gave it credit for. The someone important to Door I thought was a future reference that we would learn about in one of the DLCs. And keeping it 100, the overthinking part of me doesn't also want the two non-white characters of note in the game to be related. I still think it is odd that the Old Gods of Asgard would be working with/for Door; coupled with the time-warp of Alan coming out of the Dark Place in the beginning, our then learning that Dark Ocean Summoning at the END of the game causes events in the BEGINNING, and that We Sing happens before that so Saga is lost in the Dark Mind Place, while looking for her Old Gods is the band for Door (alluding to doing more than just helping Alan), then when Saga gets ready to leave the Dark Place when meeting Odin and Tor in the courtyard they don't mention they are working with her father? If/When she learns about that, she's going to be maaaaaaaaad. @@Arthus850
@@davidwilliamsimpson Well, there’s kinda an allusion to that. When Saga meets them in the Dark Place they mention how they were performing for Mr. Door and Odin says they’ve buried the hatchet while Tor says he hasn’t, which is understandable as he considers Door partially responsible for breaking up his family. I don’t think they wanted to outright tell Saga that she’s Door’s daughter since doing so would distract her from the task at hand, which they of course knew what she was doing.
Word. Thank you for the back and forth! @@Arthus850
It's an implication not a hard statement, Mr. Door may be her father or he might be a bystander in all of this. I'm also a bit hung up on the fact that Saga would develop the same powers as Mr. Door, even though we don't necessarily see that take place. Saga's ease of moving around the Dark place isn't exactly unique, Casper Darling spent 665 days in the Dark Place without any risk or issue, it was just a black void for him.
People are placing way more faith on blood lines here then they probably should, considering almost every parautilitarian mentioned gained power rather than being born with it.
6:37 So we’ve got the writer of the world (Alan) and a character from his book working against “gods will”, then we’ve got Alex Casey aka Sam Lake as the third party coming in to try and stop it. I know it’s a stretch, but if you were Sam Lake trapped in the Dark Place, using your characters to try and get you out, wouldn’t you worry if the embodiments of chaos and order were now working together to try and bring the story to an end?
The balance of Sheogorath and Jyggalag
I see you know of Elder Scrolls. Yes indeed, order and chaos must be balanced in order for harmony to exist.
Never played Elder Scrolls but yeah this dynamic is all over the place. I didn't mention it much but too much chaos is like trying to build a house on shifting sand. The whole structure collapses into dust.
Hello everybody! This is my first time commenting but i've seen a lot of your videos. About the Alan Wake Files, in 2010 i've bought the game's limited edition which has the book with Hard cover. I didn't understand much back then but now with your analisys a lot of things came clear. Greetings from Argentina!
A very good video explaining why Saga is so important to the story because of who she is!
Who she is ends up being her greatest utility yeah.
5:18 Polaris, I'm starting to feel the answer is Polaris aka us the Player, we are the force of Chaos that makes Jesse Faden and Saga Anderson immune to the Story, to The Hiss and The Dark Presence's attempts to "Take Control"
Well done for this video GU!
Thank you good sir!
Where psychonauts?
Already started scripting the next one. The release of AW2 has consumed me for a bit
@@GamingUniversityUoGWhere psychonauts?
What circumstances led Saga to wear an Oh Deer Diner sweater?
Only in alternative costumes lol
you're really stepping it up with these videos man
Thanks buddy! I appreciate it
was just finishing your echoes video haha
Perfect timing!
Oh fuck. Does that mean Anderson is Loki?
Lol no. Loki would be aligned with Chaos. Good Blood has an amazing video on God of War and Loki I'd recommend. He's incredible.
But Loki Darken is a mystery figure. I have heard some theories about Zane being Loki. But 0 evidence for it.
@@GamingUniversityUoG you said it yourself, Saga is something outside the story, someone who brings something new. Change. Loki is the linchpin of change in Norse mythology.
Happy new year 🎉 may the the light presence guide you throughout your journey and may the power of Polaris be with you on this wonderful year.
And by the way, order and chaos are bound to coexist, like Yin and Yang they complete each other in order to create harmony.
Ever since I've completed the game I've been wondering.. why 13 years? It's not like Alan literally spent/lived 13 years in the Dark Place. For all we know he could have been trapped for even longer than that. He wrote countless times for god knows how long. Not only might the Dark Presence have learned Alan's style, but It knows that his writing is bound by the rules of the genre or, like Door says, by the rules Alan himself sets and certainly It's come to know how to play with and around them. Every time It erases his memory to some extend, not allowing him to learn from his mistakes and therefore evolve, keeping him forever trapped in what appears an endless loop. Time works differently in the Dark Place as we could witness. Heck, the most clear and practical example is Tor and Odin. They went in the Dark Place when Alan was already out and yet there they were, helping Alan along the way. So again, why 13 years? What was that variable necessary that couldn't come through earlier? And the answer was Saga. And not just any Saga with all her inherited abilities. But the 35 yo Saga, loving mother and wife, the recognized and accomplished FBI investigator.
Simple answer is Alan Wake 1 was released in 2010 and Alan Wake 2 was released in 2023. So 13 year gap. Remedy sets the games in the year they release them.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Hello Dean! always a pleasure ❤
From the prospective of and as a player I know that's what Remedy usually does. But I was taking it from the prospective of someone inside of the remedyverse. If I were a character living in that universe and if I had to analyze all the unfolded events, I would probably come to that conclusion. Well either that or I'd realize I was in a videogame and funny as hell, it'd be the most horrible thing I could think of 😉😉😉
Pretty sure there isn't an in game reason about that. I'm pretty sure if remedy released Alan Wake 2 way earlier like in 2016 they would've just had the game take place in that year