Medical examiner in Apple River stabbing case explains autopsy findings
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2024
- Victor Froloff, assistant medical examiner for Ramsey County, told the court about the extent of 17-year-old Isaac Schuman's injuries, as well as his blood alcohol content. Nicolae Miu is arguing self defense in the stabbing of Schuman and four others in July 2022.
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I'm amazed at the amount of damage this little knife did to all these people.
I’m not sure why, they absolutely peel people open with tiny scalpels. The human skin is pretty fragile and even a semi sharp blade can do immense damage. It doesn’t help that most of his attackers jumped into the blade and added more pressure.
He used it with lots of force for it to go in that deep for the size of this knife 😢.
Mui acted like a trained killer, this wasn't his first time killing someone.
@katrinak7394 stop it 😅
Knifes can inflict horrendous injuries when used on drunk slow-moving victims with blood alcohol contents of over .12
My question is, WHO was the ADULT who purchased and supplied underage teenagers with alcohol? Thats where this needs to start. They are NOT innocent by any means especially after viewing the video footage of all of them screaming, taunting and surrounding 1 man while they were all under the influence. Sorry for the loss of Isaac but alcohol seems to always be a factor in these types of incidents.
@@DarkSygil666 you must be deranged because that’s not the video maybe some teen artificially inflated view
He was drinking too. He killed someone. Almost killed 4 other people. He initiated the contact. He initiated the assault.
Do your research.
@@jennifernordhoff6478He was being beaten up! 13 intoxicated teenagers who should of shut their mouths and went on their way
He was also intoxicated and there is no evidence he was being “beaten up”. You obviously have no idea what a beating is like.
@@dougthomson5544
I just wanted to congratulate you for being the valedictorian of your class at Clown College! We are very impressed!
So Issac was extremely drunk? .209? Seems like a lot
More than double the limit.
@@ninaappelt9001 he wasn't driving a car. Lmfao
@@NewEnglanduroit just proves how intoxicated he was whether he was driving or not.
@@ninaappelt9001
Well since he is underage, the limit is 0
@@minnesotajack1Cool to know you never broke a single law when you were a teen.
The gang mentality reminds me of Lord of the flies.
Kids fucked around and found out. This could be anecdotal but I’ve never attacked anyone and I’ve never been stabbed.
Yeah… I meet both of those criteria also.
Crazy old man stalking and harassing a group on teens tubing down the river, starting by physically pulling teens off the tubes.. reaching between some of their legs to do so.. gave no reasons why.. then stopping them from continuing... And not leaving after being asked multiple times to leave. then punching a woman and stabbing Isaac (BEFORE he was pushed into the shallow water and slapped), then stabbing more teens and innocent bystanders like Riley, a 100lb girl who did nothing to Miu... but yes.. surely this is "kids fucked around" .. and not just a crazy old psycho with murderous intentions who would not leave teens alone.. I wonder why he was found guilty on all charges.. unanimously.
You could also argue the killer fucked around and found out...he is done
@@Suge67 no he's not now that the trial conclusion documents countless evidence that proves perjury from all the prosecution's witnesses including the impartial witness.
*The jury agreed it was self defense, but he acted recklessly by using lethal force and it was unjustified, so of the 3 possible convictions per charge, all 5 were reckless act convictions.*
His appeal has already been filed, and it's highly probable that either the convictions will be vacated entirely by the circuit court, *or overturned and he will be granted a new trial.* You idiots carrying on like this understand zilch about our legal system; *literally less than nothing.*
The trial documents the jury seeing the teens and adults as the aggressors and assailants, and had he used pepper spray instead of a knife, he would never have been charged to be convicted of anything. *The prosecutor also declined to charge the teenagers or adults because those misdemeanor convictions would have occurred nearly 2 years ago, and they would have destroyed his case against Nicolae Miu so it either never went to trial, or was dismissed early into the trial.*
*Nicolae Miu is incredibly likely to be out within the next 2 years either based on the appeals, or after being offered an Alfred Plea.* The prosecutor is blatantly guilty of prosecutorial misconduct to rig this case, and because of that Miu is highly likely to be released, *even if it requires an Alfred Plea which I suspect it will.*
You don't even have pedestrian knowledge of what an Alfred Plea is, how it works and why it would be applied after a successful appeal. *You're spewing hot boiled garbage and believe you're smart!* 😂
@@Suge67 The kid certainly found out too!
The blonde chick escalated the entire situation.
She escalated, he turned her into a pin cushion.
And the black dude, dont forget about that POS.
Nah, just defended himself properly. The attackers were crazy. You should see the video.
Nope the black dude recording and screaming like an idiot incited the whole thing
💯 Exactly!
It’s really bothersome that people are taking the details of the stab wounds and basing a judgment off that. Who initially started this.. Jawan. He began harassing and screaming disgusting names to Mui. He then got his group to join in, surround Mui, got another group to join in by pretending he needed help. Mui was viciously attacked because Jawan and his group began to call him a pedo and raper! If they weren’t drunk, high, disrespectful and violent… NONE of this would have happened!!! Charge the people Mui had to defend himself against!!!!!
Omg he could have defended him self without stabbing 5 human beings, after the threat of being called names was neutralized, he should’ve gone back to his weirdo friends
@@Hiiyena Mui was surrounded by a mob and couldn't just leave. He was punched and pushed into the water. He had no choice but to defend himself.
@@Hiiyena The 2 karen's blocked him from going back to his group. They put their hands on him. Mui put his hand up to stop the women from being in his face. Then he was attacked.
These comments are concerning. 😂 watch the video. Or better yet, watch the man’s interrogation video. It’ll change ur tune 💀
Mui let his ego ruin his life, killed a 17 year old and seriously injured 4 other teens because they called him names and told him to leave them alone. HE HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE………. WALK AWAY- the teens were for sure total assholes but that’s when you walk away………….
Exactly how do you think they got alcohol these punks are used to getting someone older to get the alcohol the boys right there
Next time they should mind their business
Lol, who approached who? Have you watched the video?
Totally 💯
I can’t imagine as an old woman what I would have done if I were knocked down and taunted with horrible accusations by this mob. I guess he was supposed to let them drown him?
It takes a lot of force to cut through 2 ribs thats not a little thing its severe.
The medical examiner stated “I can’t say completely cut” I would imagine his ribs could have been mostly damaged by nearly an hour long of CPR done to him by inexperienced people.
The knife was sharp
Used a lot of force.
@@juniordixie9489 Probably not that much force. I keep my pocket knives razor sharp for work, sharp enough to shave with and sharp enough to take a couple of my fingers off if I'm not careful. I once dropped one from a couple inches while sitting down and the weight of the knife alone punctured my thigh almost an inch deep and half an inch wide and sent me to the hospital, knives are scary.
@@MagellanicCosmos you shave your face with a knife? thats crocodile dundee level.
Some of you didn't watch the complete video.
Exactly! Their behavior was Horrific and terrifying to say the least and lets ALL remember that the legal drinking age in Wisconsin is 21 years old, not 17 or 18 or 19 or 20! FOR A REASON! I find it OFF the teens all remember how many drinks they had but couldnt really remember specific details. Like they all got together and practiced that part. Nobody wins here. Everyone needs to be held accountable INCLUDING the teens for breaking the law for underage drinking!
@@w1472lmw Are you comparing the moral liability of underage drinking with disemboweling a young woman and lying about it to police multiple times?
Why attempt to gain testimony from the medical examiner about HOW the stabbing occurred? As he said, he wasn’t there!!
Damn all these kids will have to live with the fact that it was THEIR actions that caused their friends death
Definitely not the Romanian p3d0s fault! Just like how guns magically shoot people right?
Or his own
Some people can say that it was America’s actions that caused 9/11/01… I guess we all have someone else to blame.
While intoxicated or drinking, one bleeds even more profusely...the alcohol thins the blood too
Doesn't make stab wounds worse, though.
Yep and yep. This is a tough case. Fuck the way those kids and that man acted. All fucked. Tough.
@@mitzistanford9201Thin blood def causes a stab wound to be much worse or at least much more likely to be fatal because you bleed out faster.
@@mitzistanford9201 Consuming alcohol will thin your blood, making you more susceptible to heavy bleeding or bruising if you experience an injury
Hmmm … my wife suffers from heart failure ergo we are very conversant re. blood thinners. Alcohol may act as a mild blood thinner (anti-coagulant) in small quantities, but ironically when alcohol is used in high quantities it may actually increase platelet clumping and cause strokes. Regardless, it isn’t at all like warfarin, Arixtra, Tinzaparin or bivaliradun, so don’t think about alcohol as a medicine to prevent strokes.
No different than if they drank & wrecked a car. Someone else is More guilty than Miu
My heart goes out to his parents, family, loved ones, who have to listen to these horrible injuries.
Brought it upon himself. They should have taught him better.
@@JukelikesgamesHis parents are grieving and didn’t deserve this you sociopath.
My heart goes out to the parents, family and loved ones of everyone who had to tolerate those entitled spoiled brats.
Should have raised a better kid. Stop making excuses for these animals
They should've been better parents.
They attack him!!! It's Ridiculous, It`s self-defense!!! It`s not his fault.
You don’t need to defend yourself with a weapon
@jenniferlacross1822 if they pushed me down into the water, and with a bunch of people surrounding me doing the same, I think I would worry about my life instead if the safety of my assulters
@@jenniferlacross1822huh 🤦♀️
So sad that this kid lost his life due to ignorance of a bunch of teenagers who couldn’t keep their hands off of ppl
I don’t understand why people are defending this guy so irrationally. He stabbed a woman before anyone assaulted him. Were the kids maga or something?? Why all the support for this guy?
Well, Courtney Marie, I will postulate that your statement is more than a tad bizarre. This is a result of alcohol, anger, the US preoccupation with violence and sheer ignorance. That was the cause. The real issue here is the disproportionate use of force that this man used in his insane acts of violence. He was essentially unharmed but he chose to kill one young person, seriously wound four other young people and change the lives of countless people, including his own, forever. He is a loose cannon.
Ppp by on.
@@TheBillyBlack - What?! Who told you that? CNN? MAGA males don't wear women's jewelry. Try doing actual research if you're inclined to make conclusions like that. It's been proven - long before the trial - that the initial physical contact was made by the mouthy "blonde" when she shoved him, and no knife woulds were initiated until after he had been pushed into the water, punched, kicked, strangled by a mob of rabid badgers. I know you want to rage at the man, but you're going to have a tough life if you continue tom make decisions based on emotion instead of fact.
@@dougthomson5544 - 13-to-1. You're never going to grasp that..... because you don't want to.
Um he killed this kid on purpose.
Trying to describe the degree of damage from the inhury causing his death. Only to make the victim look guilty.
Bc he is and off to prison he goes!
Sharp Blade😮
His prison friend's shanks won't be so sharp.
What a horrible tragedy 😢 may he rest in peace 🙏🏻
Another teen( AJ) died for 9 minutes, and literally had his guts out 😢, it is a miracle he is alive😢
Jesus he went deep with that knife
Two of his ribs were completely cut. Wow.
That knife must have been f'n sharp
@@TheTruthKiwihe open up another teen, and ge guts were literally out, it was so much force😢
@@AndreinaJso that knife must have been REALLLLLY sharp then, right?
@@AndreinaJ
The force came from the kids themselves! They were mid attacking Nic, pushing into him. AJ disemboweled himself by doing that, and Isaac was mid pushing him too.
@@TheTruthKiwithat knife had a lot of force and anger, that didn’t come from those kids, behind it
Miu acted in self defense. Life and death is not pretty! It is ugly and unfortunate! And these punks totally caused this tragedy to happen!
He was convicted
Proof that these Idiots provoked the wrong guy. I hope the Jury does the right thing and finds him not guilty.
Nah
GUILTY
@@TheBarnesPack Free!!!
You meant... Crazy old man stalking and harassing a group on teens tubing down the river, starting by physically pulling teens off the tubes.. reaching between some of their legs to do so.. gave no reasons why.. then stopping them from continuing... And not leaving after being asked multiple times to leave. then punching a woman and stabbing Isaac (BEFORE he was pushed into the shallow water and slapped), then stabbing more teens and innocent bystanders like Riley, a 100lb girl who did nothing to Miu... but yes.. surely this is "kids fucked around" .. and not just a crazy old psycho with murderous intentions who would not leave teens alone.. I wonder why he was found guilty on all charges.. unanimously.
@@PC-iv5so Ah yes, the revisionist history. We've all seen the video. They were a mob attacking him. Somehow you missed that.
Shame Miu was convicted. Either way, those idiots got their friend killed and they know not to mess with randoms. It's better to be kind to others because you don't know what anyone is capable of.
" He had Two IV lines inserted into his intravasicular..but it was inserted into his bones"???? WHAT THE ACTUAL F----??!
Why??!
Those kid's attack that man first what was he supposed to do he was defending his self geez
Mob mentality can cause big problems.
A knife will do that. Completely irrelevant to the legal question of self defense. Any gun self defense prosecutor could have someone come and explain what a bullet does but based on the double standard regarding gun defenses case vs. other weapons it wouldn't be as valuable to emotional impact. Truly sorry he died, but it doesn't change that he was involved in a mob attack on a lone man.
Especially if you sharpen your knives regularly, and if you're going to carry one for work purposes there's no sense it being dull.
Easy self defense. Not guilty. The kids should be charged with the death of their friend. Thank god for this video evidence.
Watch the video of Miu being interviewed by the police after the stabbing
Wrong. He killed and lied to police. Prison time only.
@@kylehanson4717the interview doesn't change the mob and those teens attacking him.
@@belleslettres354who approached who? Who initiated physical contact? Mui, mui.
The kid was slashed. Meaning there was an entry would and then a drag across the surface. If the kid “ran in to the knife” then how did the slash happen?
Because Isaac and the defendant were moving. Like AJ, Isaac probably jumped or charged the defendant with an attempt to push him down. I’m sure he didn’t run into the knife straight on. So, I’m not surprised there was slashing/tearing.
Because the defendant was falling backward because he was being attacked.
@@bmyra bingo.
That’s BS. He stabbed him and killed him. Period.
@@juniordixie9489 LOL. That's not disputed by anyone. Duh. However, it was self defense.
That's a damn good knife!!
I want one. What brand was it?
Maybe they'll call this model the 'Nic'
Get a life your not even close to being funny
I call you Sic.
this case is insanity man. stop provoking people. practice deescalation. be cool and loving unless the situation absolutely warrants other wise. ive never been in a fight in my life because for me its easy to go "There's no issue here pops my bad its all good sorry for the misunderstanding" something like that. life is crazy enough as it is no reason to go around starting fights. stop adhering to the group mentality if people are acting out. be the voice of reason
Yeah an old man not in great shape absolutely surrounded and being physically attacked by multiple people in moving water. Yeah be the peace maker in that situation….
He was in their space under their tubes. How would you react if that was your girlfriend. @@Quiksilversurf311
Amen. I hope your levelheaded post speaks to both sides of this tragic incident.
@@Quiksilversurf311 they fked around and out that day
@@courtneymarie3573 Mr. Miu is now finding out he should've stayed in Romania, and that we don't take kindly to a grown man grabbing a young lady and then disemboweling a teenager. Does not matter if the kids hit him or not, you can't leave the scene and then re-enter the conflict and claim "self-defense". Perhaps you are just arguing the teens deserved to die regardless of it being self-defense?
ls this doctor a:Russian(very professional)He's a forensic examiner not a representative...
Wow....do you know, then, how much force that man had to use to cause those injuries.....
Not a huge amount of force needed if the knife was sharp af
The width of that knife was about 1/2-5/8 of an inch..... it wouldn't take all that much thrust, and the damage to the body need only about an inch of penetration to hit what it hit..... he was a pretty small dude.
@@broeheemed32 Not much thrust at all if he sharpened his once a month. I keep my pocket knives razor sharp for work, sharp enough to shave with and sharp enough to take a couple of my fingers off if I'm not careful. I once dropped one from a couple inches while sitting down and the weight of the knife alone punctured my thigh almost an inch deep and half an inch wide and sent me to the hospital, knives are scary.
@@MagellanicCosmosknives are fucking gnarly. TERRIFYING.
And useful.
@@TheTruthKiwi horrible
Nicolae intentionally gutted and opened up that boy like he was butchering a dead deer! (Brutally Barbaric)
That's not protecting oneself ...!
My Prediction is that he gets a "Manslaughter" charge and will spend some time in prison. It's a sickening situation all the way around!!!!😔
I hope not. He is innocent and just defended himself. Not Guilty.
@@angiejorahhope for other things in ur life 😂😂
No, he didnt have to gut them @angiejorah
@@shaenoyt He didn't intend to gut anyone. The forward motion of the person swinging on Mui is what caused the extent of that injury.
@@shaenoyt - I agree. A stabbing is sickening!
I’m disgusted with this Judge for setting Mr. Miu’s bail at ONE MILLION DOLLARS! At his arraignment the State asked for half that, $500K. The defense asked for $50K, with an ankle monitor, so Mr. Miu could travel back and forth to work, only. But the Judge, presuming Mr. Miu was guilty, set his bail at $1M.. letting him sit in jail for 2 years! 🙄
Was it this same shitty judge? Because well before even reading your comment, I came to the conclusion a while ago that this judge is severely biased in favor of the prosecution.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465we’re all in favor if the prosecution ngl 😂 if you’re defending this man after any bit of research you have a few loose screws
@sperez3275 for real. These people defending a now CONVICTED murderer is insane. But at this point, i can't say I'm suprised. They probably voted for biden too.
How often do you see someone who stabbed multiple people have a low bail? Are yall dumb?
Kyle Rittenhouse did have some great legit lawyers however the district attorney they were up against was laughable. I would be horrified if he is still a DA.
Kyle didn't need great lawyers. It was clear self defense. This case is clearly murder.
Lawyer: what happened/
Medical examiner: they were stabbed.
Lawyer: thank you, next witness.
Ive watched fhe stabing video 100 times and i cant tell which one Issac is.
These teenagers cause this horrible thing to happen that man was defending himself after having heart surgery
From a 1500 foot view, the kids were to blame here. Look at the video. They started it. They pushed pushed and pushed. This would have ended one of two ways: Miu would have been KO'ed and drowned or he fights back. Let the guy go. He killed a kid and has to live with that. But this was the fault of ALL those punks. All of them should go to jail. Their actions caused this. If they leave Mio alone to do his own business, nobody gets hurt. Alcohol led to bad behavior.
Miu ran up to the kids and stopped their tubes initially. He started it all
@@kylehanson4717that isnt true. He was snorkeling near them so they called him a pedo which made other people who weren't involved get aggressive towards him. Then they punched him multiple times and tried to push him under the water.
@@HalfBackCrackWrong
Self defense
Murder
"Doctor, would you agree that it is possible, that Isaac Schuman threw himself onto the knife, and that is the reason why he got that chest wound ?"
The new generation that grew up glued to their cell phone, computer, exbox playstation. No discipline, Parental ignorance! I cant imagine back in my day just hollering out to an adult i didn't know. They egged Mui into what they all got. I highly doubt he set out to kill anyone.
Yeah you can clearly see AJ Martin JUMP onto the guy's knife.
Never get involved unless someone is getting raped or injured.
Not calling the police is why this tragedy happened.
I can show you a hundred instances were calling the cops got people killed, by the cops.
The kid jumped first then tried to choke him when he was stabbed. Sorry he’s deceased but he was HEAVILY intoxicated and not in his right mind. Sober he was probably a normal kid. My condolences to his family. These thugs brought it on themselves. The defendant will now go to prison for the rest of his life defending himself over senseless actions from the culture club. No pun intended.
Totally agree 💯
The man was in fear for his life and fight response took over. There was no sense for this person to testify, there just trying to make Nic look like a killer on a rampage.
See that’s bullshit. No reasonable person would think they are about to die and use that kind of force in that situation. He made a horrible choice and needs to be punished
@@pcwolfie
I laughed out loud at your utter lack of critical thinking skills.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Such an utter lack of critical thinking skills that you can't even manage to come up with a counter-argument! Good job!
@@anti-ethniccleansing465yeah… why would a person thinking they’re about to die - use force that strong? “If I’m about to die, I’m going to be more gentle!” Like wtf? These people are domesticated clowns
We have reviewed the videos. We have seen them. Shame on those teenagers. Shame. What a pack attack & ethnic slur
We have reviewed the video too and determined that mui is at fault. 🤷♀️
Shame on you
IMO,
The adult Mr Mui had no business approaching teens, THEN CHOOSING to HOLD ONTO THEIR TUBES & touching their legs… it is ALMOST a given that teens are on social media more than they are not… the heightened pedophilia cases rampant throughout U S, is insidious, the teens are aware of that so even in an altered invincible state… you can think harm is coming their way from this stranger acting strangely!
CHOSE TO APPROACH THEM
CHOSE TO NOT SAY WHAT HIS INTENT WAS
CHOSE TO INSTIGATE TEENS WHOM STATED When they were being interviewed THEY WERE DRINKING & some smoking weed / altered states so the possibility of the situation MUI CHOSE TO PLACE HIMSELF IN … is evident
HE CHOSE TO HIDE THE KNIFE AFTER THE INCIDENCE
HE CHOSE TO LEAVE the scene AFTER ALTERCATION AS IF HE WAS JUST MERRILY TUBING DOWN THE STREAM NEVER INVOLVED IN EVERY WAY HE CHOSE TO CREATE A FABRICATED SCENARIO…To sway anyone accusing him of murder, to see it his way
HE CHOSE TO LIE TO EVERY POLICE INVESTIGATION ENOUGH SO
THAT HE MAKES PINNOCHIO LOOK LIKE a Fairy 🧚♀️ Princess….
WHY LIE ? IF YOU ARE INNOCENT?
Does anyone know what the doctor is saying? He keeps saying a word “shar” or something.
I believe he is saying "sharp force injury." I am a court reporter, and that's what it sounds like, which would make sense because it was caused by a knife.
“Sharp force injury”
He sharted his pants
🤣🤣🤣
I assume that is the prosecuter asking questions and he seems to be making a mess of it. Start with the witnesses qualifications, then who they examined and when, then flow through the remaining questions. Also, I was on jury duty for a murder where the victim was stabbed in the chest. According to the pathologist was that other than bone everything was weaker than skin, so the knife will go in to either the length of the blade, it meets bone, or the attacker stops pushing.
This was probably cut off from the full interaction.
Why? This and a DNA expert? Why, just to obfuscate the actual point of contention which is “would a reasonable person also feel they were in danger of great bodily harm or death in that situation?” Pathology and DNA are irrelevant and meant to give credibility to the prosecutor.
I love how you can see Victor Froloff's frustration with some of the oddly phrased questions, and how the prosecution is pushing so hard to get him to lean towards it being intentional homicide.
It was intentional, what else?
You know how many people get stabbed daily right now in the United States and New York City in Philadelphia they don't go into how the stabbing cut this and cut that if you want to get into that listen you'll cry if somebody tells you how these people get stabbed in the city somewhere else but you're trying to make it that all those little cuts and bruises are because someone intentionally wanted to do that no that's what drunken bullies on pot that's why you got to tell people don't understand part will always part an alcohol do not mix did the pots make you dumb and the alcohol makes you unsteady put that together and you got rock steady
Isaac got it because he's the one who came and punched them he had no choice he just stuck up that's why he got him in the river which is it was a pretty bad spot but his alcohol level increased in the yelling increased the blood flow faster
Consuming alcohol will thin your blood, making you more susceptible to heavy bleeding or bruising if you experience an injury
They're trying to make it like the death of the young man is everything it's not tragic but those are the consequences when you don't teach your children to be around alcoholics like that I've been around people like that I don't hang out with them I don't drink with I drink by myself I sing karaoke play my guitar drink by myself I don't go anywhere when I'm drunk I stay in my house I don't go around the neighborhood none of that crap do you know when I was young and had friends we just stayed in one spot
All is right with the world! He was convicted of the following charges:
First-degree reckless homicide of Isaac Schuman
First-degree recklessly endangering safety of A.J. Martin
First-degree recklessly endangering safety of Dante Carlson
First-degree recklessly endangering safety of Tony Carlson
First-degree recklessly endangering safety of Ryhley Mattison
Battery of Madison Coen
Why are you celebrating ?-nothing is right in the world. This boy is dead.
@@generallyspeaking850 justice was severed, jail for the felon
This man has suffered some trauma from this young man's injuries....used that knife like he was gutting a fish. Horrible. Just horrible. Dangerous man. Very.
Clown Biden voter, stop being ignorant
Isaac was attempting to choke Mr Miu. He was stabbed in the heart, not the gut.
Almost like the defendant was being charged to cause such an injury.
He is extremely dangerous to society. Prison time only.
@@juniordixie9489those kids jumped him this was self defense
.219 BAC
Anybody with a BAC over .05-.1 percent is not capable of proper decision-making, despite their “tolerance.”
@@auto_5you can legally drive with a 0.05 what u talking about
Guy got a guilty it's bs this would never happen in the UK on the grounds of self defence hope he can appeal
U should be his cell mate
F.A.F.O!
Crazy old man stalking and harassing a group on teens tubing down the river, starting by physically pulling teens off the tubes.. reaching between some of their legs to do so.. gave no reasons why.. then stopping them from continuing... And not leaving after being asked multiple times to leave. then punching a woman and stabbing Isaac (BEFORE he was pushed into the shallow water and slapped), then stabbing more teens and innocent bystanders like Riley, a 100lb girl who did nothing to Miu... but yes.. surely this is "Kids FAFO" .. and not just a crazy old psycho with murderous intentions who would not leave teens alone.. The Jury saw all the evidence and video.. they found him guilty on all charges.. unanimously.
He sure did! Now he's going to prison!
Lawyer sounds pretty dumb. How did he get through law school.
No the jury is " dumb". The lawyer is speaking in simple terms So the simple people On the Jury understand.
Your first time watching a trial? Both sides choose how to phrase their words in order to make a specific impression on the jury. The cross examination has to counteract that first impression by getting the jury to see the situation from a different perspective.
@@sethjohnson7965 i understand how it works and it makes him sound really stupid to an average person with common sense, I can’t imagine how dumb this lawyer sounds to someone with a high IQ. I guess some of the “dumb” jurors will fall for his antics.
Prosecutor's trying 2mess the doctor's testimony,really disgus
Praying for the families and people hurt and killed...so sad😢
The only victim was the old man that they were physically assaulting.
@matth3708 maybe you should pray as well
@matth3708 read again, prayers 🙏
@@matth3708Oh, you mean the old man that approached the group, refused to leave when asked, that punched a female, and proceed to stab multiple people that resulted in death? That "victim"? Yeah, he's off to prison where he belongs.
NOT GUILTY
How do you know that kid was going towards him enough to cut through 2 ribs puncture a lung and puncture pericardium. The attorney is an ass only wanting to win and semantics.
People in this country are allowed to use lethal force when they are being physically assaulted and they feel that their life is in danger, and his certainly was.
The video.
Seemingly pointless questions.
I see what he's going for. You're holding a knife towards someone to avert an attack, that someone charges you, the knife plunges into that someone's body as they close in on you.
I dont understand why so many people side with the guy that filetted these kids like fish. He tried to stab a 100 pound girl in the heart as well.
I’ll bet they’re magas, like Mui.
Why bring the holocaust into this.
Self defense. Cope, dork
Because there are many child predators in the country
I'm wondering the same thing. Nothing those KIDS did rose to the lethal level. It's called walk away. Just because they have a beard doesn't make them an adult.
too funny
This man did a lot of damage and he could not even be honest and admit to everything he said to law enforcement even if ti was recorded. 😢 showed more emotion for his dog than for human life.
Scary thing is many many people in comments would have stabbed those people too. And they think they’d get away with it.
When Miu’s back hit the ground he was in like 3-5 inches of water. It’s not tiny enough to drown in that. Silly suggestion. There is something very wrong with these stabbing-prone people.
@@happydayz7857 the water was below his ankle level.
@@happydayz7857 He is an older heart patient who was punched in the chest and gut, and held under water. Those of you who are LYING about this or else are extremely IGNORANT of the facts shouldn't be allowed to use the computer, operate machinery, or be near small children.
@@happydayz7857it’s very disturbing that people thinks it’s okay for a gang of young people to drunkenly heckle and beat an old man for pushing a drunk woman, who had no right to touch him. At that point, he doesn’t have to leave, he doesn’t have to walk down the river away from his friends. He has every right to stand there. They can yell at him all they want, but once people start hitting an old man and trying to push him face down into the water, he’s not required to just sit there and take it. Without stabbing them, who knows what they would have done. Smashed his head with rocks or continue to beat a guy with several surgical repairs? Hold him face down in the water? You going to trust your life to a bunch of angry drunks. He didn’t use good sense walking up to them, but when they started hitting him while he was down, they lost all moral footing. They f’d around and found out, didn’t they? No matter what happens to him, one’s gonna rot and the rest are sporting some cool scars of wisdom.
He's far from an old man. He's only a fat 54 yr old. You have to be at least 10 yrs older to be an old man. He is middle age. But I don't think he's guilty of 1st degree murder. He had no intention of stabbing anyone until he was surrounded by a crowd of kids taunting him and putting their hands on him, in his personal space. The people he stabbed were within arms length.
I once saw Miu kill three men in a bar with a pencil. A fucking pencil.
Does doctor is a white knight
you really should try to be less racist, it doesn't do anyone any good and just shows your ignorance.
RIP 2lsaac:May the good Lord watch over him always!!!Absolutely unecessry death if some1 would just walk away?!!!
They both could have walked
@@KellimochaNo, mui could have. He approached them. He didn't leave when asked.
@@JL-ix5io both could have left the situation its a public area they don’t own that space . If a guy bothers me I remove my self from the situation . I am accountable for my own actions . They were all drunk.. The kid that died was 3 times over the driving limit . I call this liquid courage on both parts . It takes 2 to tango.. sad situation all together ..
The jury is deliberating as i type this...he will be found guilty maybe not on count one but on a lesser one but with significant jail time....
He stabbed this kid with such force that it broke ribs and into his heart....he meant ( MUI ) to administer major damage or death to this kid and others he tried to get
Damn i wanna see the pics.
If they would of left this defendent alone & not called him names from the beginning this would've all been prevented.
So if you call someone a name they should be able to murder you? That's how weak and fragile you are? I can only bet you vote MAGA.
The name calling didn't start the fight....He's used that excuse for his actions many times, so why in the witness stand did he say he wasn't offended, or angry by it ??.
I remember the Founding Fathers clearly stated that it is acceptable to respond to name calling by gutting said name-caller.
Absolutely deranged and un-American take.
Freedom of speech. They have the right to call him whatever they want.
He wanted to cardiac arrest so quick because of the alcohol and the pot
You know this?
@@nerdalieisasleepyhead104 yes common sense
@@franklinhernandez683 that’s not really how this works, but okay
@@franklinhernandez683 Thanks Franklin, I wish the defense had brought you to testify. I feel like as an expert, you could really bring an unbiased and fact-based perspective to the trial.
FAFO
Yeah, they were bullying, but this is overkill. !!
Not like he could decide how the outcome would be. He just defended himself. Self defense.
But remember, Miu walked away, back to his group (to get his knife?) and came back and continued antagonizing and arguing with all these folks.
The defense attorney wants to have the Forensic Pathologist say that Isaac moving toward Miu caused him to run into the knife or to be injured worse!!!
False. Did you not watch the video?! 😂😂😂
Why are you spreading false information? At no point did Nic go back to his group, much less go back to it to retrieve his knife! And you bet that both AJ and Isaac were the ones that caused the most damage to themselves because they were mid pushing Nic’s when they got stabbed - mid attacking him trying to hurt him, so they made the knife go in much deeper because of that!
These kids fucked around and found out.
I actually find both parties at fault. The "crowd" should not have threatened and assaulted the man and the man should have never used the knife. If he had backed up in a defensive manner and warned the crowd to not come closer, it may have made a difference. Either way, we live in an evil world, expect evil, and hope, but hope for good. Nobody won in this situation but the devil and evil.
The devil caused this?
None of these teenagers had knives. They were drunk and bullying a man but the use of force in no way matches the level of violence used. First degree manslaughter in the least- he brought out that knife - he could have waved it around and said get back! They would have run away and it would have been the end of it
Give the man assault but not murder or acquit him altogether. They attacked this man from what it SEEMS!
Here's the problem. He met non-deadly force with deadly force. The kids were not going to kill him. But he started to think about using the knife for quite some time. He knows the damage that this could do. Before he used the deadly weapon, he should have at last told them to back off before using it on them.
@@ArkOmen1he could have drowned. they didn't need weapons to be a lethal threat to him.
@@ArkOmen1 Thats a really good point. This is a really sticky situation.
If Miu had one iota of compassion and remorse he would plead guilty and let everyone move on. *He did not have to injure anyone with his knife. And no one needed to die from his violent wielding of that knife, just because his feelings were hurt and because he was too stubborn (and ignorant) to simply turn around, walk away, and STAY away from a bunch of ignorant, drunk young adults and teens.
Video shows them attacking him
Kids should be charged with assault as well
This is such a stupid comment. Plead and spend the rest of his life in jail for being attacked?!
@@smithwilliams8831it also shows Mui approaching the group. Hard to claim self defense when you're approaching a group in the manner he did. You also can't claim self defense when you initiate physical contact.
The defense is pitiful. Move the blame on the dead young man. This desperate grasping by the defense attorney is not giving ANY doubt of the deed.
...ohhhhhhh, you are wrong. the blame IS ON THE STUPID DRUNK MAN, AND HIS DIRTY FRIENDS and not on mr Miu.
@@naturalselection1096 And Miu lied multiple times to the police, and tried to hide the murder weapon.
Do you really think him being called names justifies his actions?
For the defense to come out and say this man was out of shape is BS. It takes a heck of a lot of strength to slice through a couple of ribs with such a small knife. I was an O.R. tech and when you are doing open heart surgery we have to cut through ribs to open the chest and it's not like it's like cutting through butter.
Okay Mr expert. You’ve obviously never stabbed anything. The difference is you’re being careful in the OR. A knife will enter through ribs with even a light stab. Even a child can do it without effort.
@@williammoore772false
Adrenaline.
It’s called adrenaline, and a sharp ass knife. Have you ever handled a truly sharp knife before? I can assure you some dinky rib bones don’t stand a chance against one.
Stupid juveniles on alcohol running in a "pack" ... what more does any adult need to know. It looked to me as though they were very, very aggressive and the man showed quite a bit of restraint ☘️
When two worlds collide. Miu was on that river and he has waited all his life to butcher people and call it self defense. That was his moment and he was sure he would get away with it. Born killer.
Maybe they should’ve got out of the way and let him go back to his people
That stupid blonde chick inserting herself escalated the situation. She kept steering him down the river, opposite direction of his group. If I were Isaac’s mother, I would be deeply angry with the group of rowdy teens especially Jawan, and the blonde “adult”
He wasn't leaving, regardless. He wanted the confrontation.
Guilty
The killer acted out of anger, not fear.
Bingo 🎯
Absolutely. He was practically uninjured. His life was never in danger.
Okay. So, don't fuck around with people. They felt comfortable bullying him because they thought he was a weak victim. Turns out he was the opposite.
Just dumb
I think getting called a pe## 100 times might have made him angry.
Defense grasping at straws - the 17yr old was stabbed by the actions of the accused not by his own actions. Is the defense suggesting karakiri or such like? 🤔
Right, like a mob taunting and physically attacking an older man?? Numb.
No he's probably suggesting that he was assaulting or at least moving quickly toward the older man at the time to suggest self defence, rather than the older guy just attacked him while was stationary ie not attacking the older man.
Murder isn't justified just because you are older.
@@cm1642 ok Mike Tyson. You couldn’t fight your way out of a wet paper bag.
@cm1642 thank you for that statement I'm older than him and it's not an excuse he even went after the ones that were away from him.
He is a psychopath, no self defence here..Nobody had a weapon a part of him
Prison time only.
Who cares if none of the teens had a weapon? “Unarmed” does not mean “not dangerous.”
@@lulzjeffy1337he approached them and initiated physical contact, hence him being assaulted. That's a proportionate response. Stabbing multiple people, killing one, is not proportionate. He didn't have an ounce of fear in his eyes, only anger.
When you think according to the autopsy Isaac died of bleeding to death…and Miu just left him there to die.
This is a homicide pure and simple MIU IS GUILTY!
Kid had a .29 BAC!!! Alcohol is a blood thinner. Hopefully these "kids" learned a lesson not get drunk and act like a pack of wild dogs with impunity. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. NOT GUILTY!!
@@ImbalancedLibraGal FACTS
The jury should convict this defendant, in my opinion. His actions were not in self defense; they were aggressive and intentional. Guilty as hell.
Convict him on what?
I hope you never become a juror