Mark Driscoll John Lindell Stronger Mens Conference Drama
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- Mark Driscoll John Lindell Stronger Mens Conference Drama. Mark Driscoll Kicked off Stage at Stronger Mens Conference 2024 by Pastor John Lindell. A large Men’s Conference brought in a pole dancing male stripper as entertainment. And one of the conference speakers Pastor Mark Driscoll rebuked the leadership of the church for allowing this in the middle of the event. And Mark Driscoll was kicked off stage at end event in the middle of his sermon. A verbal fight breaks out between Mark Driscoll and the Lead Pastor for the event. The footage went live on Twitter and it got over 10 million views of Mark Driscoll kicked out of church. This all happened at the Stronger Men’s Conference in Springfield, MO. Led by Mega Church Pastor John Lindell. This event was held at Great Southern Bank Arena with thousands in attendance. The male stripper named Alex Magala who open the event described as “the finest swordsman in all the world,” Mark Driscoll stronger mens event is now all over internet. Church Pastor John Lindell that got up on stage to say Mark Driscoll should have done this privately as the Bible states in Matthew 18. I will show Mark Driscoll stronger mens 2024 full video. John the Baptist, Paul and Jesus all called out religious leaders publicly and offered rebukes. These were often very harsh in doing so. This Pastor John Lindell should be removed from ministry for a season at a minimum. Mark Driscoll kicked off stage at mens conference was the wrong move on several levels. Mark Driscoll rebuke was strong but not overly harsh. He says that a spirit of Jezebel is in operation. Mark was right for taking a stand and speak up. @MarkDriscollMinistries
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The elephant in the room is running church services and Christian conferences like a circus. Everything went off the rails right out of the gate because of that. A Christian men's conference should build and encourage through worship, prayer, repentance and solid Bible study. How does entertainment like a sword swallowing act, tanks running over cars, pyrotechnics and an 80s heavy metal rock bands build stronger men in Christ? And whenever I hear church leaders say "don't touch God's anointed" (meaning don't question me or my actions) I see charismatic witchcraft like Derek Prince warned us about.
Well said
Folks like Driscoll and Lindell have, as a thesis, declared that society is attempting to emasculate men, so the remedy is to have as much farting, burping, monster trucks, and Carhartt ™ as possible. This is to "grab" men and Mark has tolerated spectacles like this in the past. I speculate that Mark misses controlling multiple campuses and saw a chance to take over James River in an attempt to bring back the "glory days" of Mars Hill. That is why Mark sowed disunity between the Lindell brothers and their father
Brilliant!
... that is the "world"....
Do you mean Joseph Prince?
For Lindell to imply that he is God's anointed who shouldn't be rebuked is very egregious.
Lindell does the narcissitic thing (AFTER sitting on stage and saying we're brothers and we're good now) of reversing the victim and the offender--and so goes after Mark D as if Lindell didn't do anything wrong--it was Mark who was wrong. Calls Mark to repent for attacking him and his church.
To say that a believer should have nothing to do with (or give to) Mark D is the height of arrogance and narcissitic behavior. (I am not a fan of Mark D, but in this situation, he was right.) For a pastor not to know when Matt 18 applies is very sad.
Aren't all believers His annointed?
I have never supported Marc Driscoll but I am proud to see someone stand up in the public square and call out disgusting behavior. Mr. Lindell you are completely wrong. Read Matthew 23. Jesus was not wrong to publicly rebuke religious leaders.
The Pastor John Lindell should step down. He is the cause of all this demonic uproar.
How as a 'Pastor: can he allow this entertainment.
Come out from among them and be separate says the Lord.😮
John Lindell is the one at fault in this case. The Church is not here for Pagan Ceremonies or Entertainment!!
Everybody who didn't walk out when this performance started is at fault.
Any such performances and entertainment is not to be tolerated in church.
🙏MEN from Australia 🇦🇺 I left my home church of 15yrs, cuz it was much worse than this ! That was 30yrs ago??? So this is NO SURPRISE to me😂
Well said my friend
I agree, Mark didn't need to wake-up the church, but grateful he did!!
@@kimfenn4311howdy buddy from Adelaide 😂😂😂😂😂😂👍🤠🇦🇺 same deal!
I'm so tired of these narcissistic mega church celebrity preachers. Lindell should have known better, this is an embarrassment to the Body of Christ.
Mean while, here in Australia we had a bishop stabbed
His response was to pray for the man and tell him he forgives him …..
Spot the difference ?
One Word example of our Walk with the Lord. Thank Mar Mari
Prayer for Mar Mari!!!!
Praying for Mar Mari
Mark Driscoll and Dr Brown were absolutely correct. John Lindell should be ashamed for allowing such a performance in a Christian setting. We ALL mush show fruit in keeping with repentance.
I totally agreed with you my friend 🧡
Amen
This conference looks like it was a lot in the flesh. How sad this kinds of antics are done at a men's conference.
All the flesh. No power.
One man was humble, one prideful and arrogant. Which one was more like Jesus?
John Lindell should be rebuked.
Fact !!
God is rebuking him. He's imploding publicly.
My question is - why didn’t all of those pastors stand up and walk out?! Instead they sat in silence and watched.
This.
What took them so long?
Yes indeed
I agree. Jesus didn’t pull people aside for one on ones when He rebukes religious elites. You’re absolutely correct and Lindell is abusive of scripture and needs rebuking. Publicly.
Lindell is clearly more in the wrong here
It was a huge public display deserving a public rebuke.
Jimmy Evans was used in this situation. He should not have intervened!
Not a fan of Jimmy Evans.
Jimmy is Mark's mentor, by Mark's own admission
I wouldn't follow Jimmy Evans myself
That conference was “of the flesh”! There is NOTHING Christian going on there. The affront was done to the entire audience, and therefore, ought to have been rebuked right there and then just as was done. No apology needed. This whole thing is a BIG FALSE DOCTRINE mess.
Paul rebuked Peter in front of everyone for separating from the gentiles to eat. He needs to walk in the spirit to be anointed. Tired of pastors pulling the anointing card..in the new testament we are ALL anointed by the Holy Spirit and I think leadership needs to take heed on how they lead and treat the body of our Lord Jesus Christ !
Amen
LOVED "Paul rebuked Peter in front of everyone "
Jesus is the head of the church, but all the religious and proud leaders do not obey Him.
These " mens conferences " are so pretentious and creepy. I dont know why everything has to orchestrated like Hollywood and the world with smoke and lights and production to evoke pleasure or a good time .
amen !!!!
It was a total circus
I don’t understand why he is doing this. They had a public conversation already. This guy has a lot of pride.
Who is doing what?
This is just NOT what JESUS came here to teach😢I’m sure if JESUS went there that night HE would have got his whip out & made the entire church get out of the building 😢
Yes he is very arrogant
The one who's out of line is the one who let the spirit of Jezebel in his church
Who supports and funds all this sin?
The congregation does; sadly.
There is no such thing as the spirit of Jezebel. Quote a scripture.
Yes absolutely
Yes indeed
@@rufuspatrick2764 wheres the word bible in the word of God wheres the word trinity in Gods word....
The church of Thyatira was corrected for tolerating Jezebel
amen !!!!!!
Lindell needs to humble himself and listen to Dr. Brown.
I hope he hear what Dr Brown had to say
Agreed, a public rebuke for a public action.
amen !!!!!!
lindell needs to stop deflecting
TOTAL DEFLECTION
Good for Mark, he does not need to repent.
Neither apologise he should never have
John Lindell needs to repent - he is so trying to lead others astray- so very sad he will not remove the blinders from his own eyes - may God have mercy on his soul.
OMG what's with the darn tears 🤦♀️🤦♀️every scandal is embedded with pathetic tears
🙏MEN😂
So fake!
SOOOOOO fake
As a 77 year old Meamaw, I find you refreshing. Thank you for all you do. This was all wrong. We, our prayer group, will be praying about this.
Thank you for praying about this!
Mark was right. Lindell is much like Bill Johnson.
amen !!!!!
Of course John and Bill are great friends!
Don’t all believers who are spirit filled have the anointing of God on their life? I am so tired of the elitism from these so-called leaders.
I am so grateful that the ‘touch not the Lords anointed’, doctrine is so thoroughly seen and known to be as toxic as it is. It allowed abusive controlling individuals to control the narrative and continue egregious behaviour unchallenged.
My personal view is that when a leader says that, then that is a leader whom is not a man whom I will follow. It is a red flag of the highest degree.
I noted sadly that the pastor was concerned about his entertainment choice, his family, his church and his own honour. What about the Lord Jesus, His children, His family, His church.
What about treating the serious as frivolous, bringing in the world to the church, entertaining instead of challenging lives to holiness.
I heard gaslighting unfortunately and him, diverting the truth into a blind alley, and then bricking it in.
I have strongly objected to pastor Mark Driscoll ‘s attitude, antics, and sermons in the past. This was incredibly appropriate.
Public actions attract public consequences.
Typical spiritual abuse,controlling ! Touch not God’s anointed,so don’t discern,question or criticize or You’ll dry up and blow away🙄Typical ! Also why is Lindell putting Evans on such a pedestal. All deflection. I am so appalled by Lindell’s narcissist arrogance!
Total lack of self awareness
Hoping the men wake up and read the Word themselves.
I lost a BFF over this very type of situation. ROBY REID who can be found on Facebook calls himself an apostle. And he's done missionary work. But he was claiming that the rapture was going to happen in August 2020. My friend of 40 years told me not to say anything to him, and not to speak against him and not to say anything to him. but that's not how to handle things. Especially somebody who was just some guy on Facebook. Some guy who calls himself an apostle. There are no more apostles. There were only 12 of those.
So I simply asked a little question to him and she got all upset and said she could no longer trust me. I went to him about her feelings towards him. She (a married woman) was actually very protective of this man who was just some guy on Facebook that she did not know personally. Neither one of them sided with me. THEY BOTH blocked me on FB......LOL
. I would still do the same thing again. But apparently the jezebel spirit is what she had. And now I know that. And now I am no longer going to feel like I want to be friends with her. I am able to let her go completely. Now I understand that I was correct with the red flags I felt in my spirit regarding her.
So many people in the Christian community are falling into this progressive Christianity well, .....crap. It's very sad.
And what this pastor has done to Mark is very very very wrong
John Lindell is divisive
He is marked as a false teacher
This guy is incredibly manipulative with the way he is handling the situation. He knows he was wrong, yet he refuses to take accountability, blaming Mark Driscoll is the easy way out… Mark is used to all kinds of controversy. I wouldn’t follow this guy if you paid me.
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Hi Joshua, thanks again for speaking out and highlighting the unbiblical shenanigans in the charismatic community.
The unfettered trust in "leaders" who display charismatic personalities is a major problem within charismatic communities of which I was part of for 30years.
The major elephant in the room is why is Mark Driscoll still in public ministry?
He was already disqualified by his previous actions at Mars Hill church. And only after a very short hiatus he opens another church in Arizona and once again the charismatic/pentecostal community just embrace someone who seems to produce fruit.
What fruit? Well only the fruit that matters most and that's numbers. What the charismatic community value more than anything else is numbers. If a leader is popular, entertaining, can articulate well, has a particular style and most importantly brings in the numbers then that person is in regardless of what fruits are represented in his life what issues he's had in the past or whether or not he is qualified as a minister. My first thought is that Mark is once again making himself a talking point of relevance to make himself more known. When he was part of Mars Hill he had a very loyal following and he again wants that cultic following and what better way than to cause a ruckus at a major conference and become a taking point for those who are concerned about a male pole dancer. Another one of Marks ways of making himself a talking point for more cultic followers. And where in the Bible does it tell us about a "Jezebel spirit?" Do the apostle teach us this?
The most glaring issue for me is why pastor John Lindell has been using a disqualified pastor for the past seven years at his men's conferences?
Did he not know the history of Mark Driscoll? Why didn't the current administration at Mark Driscoll's church in Arizona not heed the warnings from former eldership at Mars Hill church that he was unfit to pastor a church? Why did Pastor John not do his research?
Secondly, why is the pole dancing, sword swallowing, former alphabet dancer the ONLY issue talked about in relation to this "men's conference"?
Is the giant motor bike then the paragon of biblical theology?
The question that really needs to be asked is why does a men's conference need to have throat grunting macho themed symbols to enthuse the men to be more masculine? Or more biblical?
IS SCRIPTURE ENOUGH?
How about placarding Christ and all He has accomplished for us in His life, His death and His resurrection?
Who is the object of our faith?
Who is the One we must keep our eyes on?
Who is the author and perfecter of our faith?
It's when charismatic and other evangelical leaders abandon the truth of scripture and try to motivate outside of the scripture that produces this amount of apostasy.
Why do Christian men need pyrotechnics and tanks or motorcycles to motivate them to be Biblical men?
Where is the gospel?
Where are the imperatives of scriptures that tell men to be biblical men?
Where are the biblical preachers that call men back to Christ Jesus and the truth that the scriptures teach?
If we all aren't asking these questions and just focusing on the male stripper we are completely lost in our delusion.
The simple conclusion to all of this is stop playing games and Preach the gospel, make disciples, teach all Jesus has commanded.
We all learned from our mistakes. Mistakes makes us see which works better or not. Do not judge servants of God, only God knows if they are sitting or standing. Prophet Nathan rebuked David, God's anointed, Paul rebuked Peter. David repented and Peter realized his mistakes. What matters is that correction was made to cleanse the Body of Christ. The ministry of Jesus is correction. Scriptures is useful for doctrine, for correction, etc. "Iron sharpens iron"
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@@AzelaVerzosa
Are you familiar with why Mark Driscoll was removed from ministry. If not listen to the podcast called the rise and fall of mars hill and then maybe you'll reconsider your opinion.
One is either qualified or unqualified for eldership and Mark disqualified himself. Rather than seeking God and humbly repentance and submitting to an eldership he decided to move state and start another church.
Instead of vetting him like they should have and taking advice from former members and eldership, sections of the charismatic community have been duped into believing him because he's good at bringing in numbers with his twisting of the scriptures and mesmerising rhetoric.
Emotionalism nor sensationalism is no substitute for gospel proclamation because we are told in scripture it is the power of God until salvation.
John helped Mark get started in Arizona and he's preached at JRC for years and men's conference! John loves the numbers you were talking about every Sunday and Wednesday we hear about the numbers on salvation(at least 576 at this conference), numbers on healings, numbers on testimonies, etc. John Lindell, Mark Driscoll, Bill Johnson (he spoke at "Week Of Power" week before the conference)! There's no difference they're all the same! I could mention a lot more but you get what I'm saying! I'm heartbroken that all this happened but at the same time I'm considering myself blessed because I'm now one of many who have left JRC in past years! This was it for me this past weekend! I love and close to a lot of people there but, NO your not allowed to question anything just accept it or your out! I have a lot of questions now especially after the prayer meeting last Wed night! That was unbelievable!😢 praying for guidance on new church!
When God brings conviction or a convicting word, we either humble ourselves and repent, or we double down and further harden our hearts. Driscoll could have handled it differently, but he was apparently the only one who was willing to handle it at all.
Exactly!!
JL seems like a crybaby.
Agree 100%. "Stronger Men" speak the truth in love, and confront when necessary (as gracefully as possible). Paul publicly rebuked Peter for hypocrisy. No apologies for "hurt feelings." No fear of "touching God's anointed." Though likely not yet written, I'm sure he was aware of the Matt. 18 principle. But he didn't say, "Uh, Peter . . . can I have a private word with you?"
I welcome godly reproof--whether from Him directly, or through others. "Let the righteous strike me. It shall be a kindness. And let him rebuke me; it shall be as excellent oil; let not my head refuse it (Ps. 141:5). David was so eager to align himself with Father's correction that he even permitted Shimei to revile him and throw dirt clods at him. (Shemei had his day later, but that's a whole other story.)
This entire several-day drama is a total mess. It is a sad reminder of how seriously we need our Father's correction in the Western church. "Reproofs of instruction are the way of life (Prov. 6:23b)." The serious issue that prompted MD's rebuke was never addressed, as far as I can tell. Lord, have mercy on us.
Mark says "This is not a rebuke or correction for anyone but rather an observation." In addition, well said about Alex. It wasnt about him at all. Just another deflection of Lindell to get spotlight off of his behavior. They talked on stage afterwards. Lindell should have also apologized and left it at that. It would be forgotten already but he is on a mission to justify his actions by trying to make Mark look bad which isn't working. It's only making him(John) look worse.
Agree with Michael Brown 100%.
This is spiraling out of control. This is a water-shed moment that if it was handled from a place of humility and brotherhood. Lost an opportunity for unity and further polarizes the church and causes the unchurched to stay away.
I am ordained into ministry.
I will never step into a 501 3 c church again.
Lindell never accepted any fault at any moment
@4:50 "Better be careful that you don't criticize people who have the anointing of God on their life." Just another way of saying we shouldn't hold our leaders accountable. Wow.
If Lindell is wrong about Driscoll's open rebuke then Paul was wrong to rebuke Peter in Galatians. But we all know who is wrong here and it isn't Driscoll.
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This situation has become even more a carnal reflection of the condition of the church than it was at the first.
I do not see this as a Matthew 18 scenario. This event was done openly, it was rebuked openly even as Paul writes in 1 Timothy 5.
Mark shared that he was rebuking no one, but simply making an observation regarding what was released spiritually in that opening act. Now this has turned into who is right and who is wrong and we have lost sight of the original point…what was demonically released through this act. You can’t tell me that there were no men in that whole auditorium who did not struggle with lust or homosexual ideations who were not negatively impacted by this. I do agree with Joshua and Michael Brown, however we cannot lose sight of what the enemy is doing here…it needs to be the church against the enemy! However when leaders in the church are used by the enemy to twist Scripture into a way to deflect responsibility this is easier said than done. We must know the Word of God and Spirit of God intimately, and not be swayed by who ever has the platform at the time. (platform does not equate to anointing) We must not be sheep led astray.
Mark Driscol was right. No good argument for anything else. So sad how few attendees were absolutely outraged!!!
It's mind-boggling.
You are in the flesh. Mark did not owe you an apology
They are both not good biblical teachers, and John is exhibiting extreme narcissist behavior.
Billy Graham would not approve okay with this presentation. Whats wrong with Godly leaders today??? Mark did not set this up...Lyndel did. 😢
@janwhite9381 yeah, I don't agree with a lot of theology that Driscoll teaches. He is part of the NAR movement, which is heretical. You should research that. The same with Billy... he was very ecumenical. Jordan Riley on RUclips has done research on Billy that will explain in summary. We have to be really discerning.
To call what is wrong right, and right wrong. Lord God help, Pastor John thinks he is right, dear Lord, open his eyes and let him repent .
I agree with you. You are speaking truth in love.
I agree with you, it was John Lindell who should have received what Mark Driscoll said! His ego did not permit him to do that. I believe Mark was seeing in the spiritual realm and he was shown what was actually happening! It is hard to believe the men attending the conference were so gullible, although I was glad to hear the few who supported Mark Driscoll and protested at him being thrown out! It just goes to show where the men in the Body are, it's scary to think what kind of men are leading their families! They appear to be without discernment! I think Mark handled it well he was humble and co-operative. John Lindell is in the wrong and it even came across how angry he was though pretending to be desiring reconciliation! Shameful! God is cleaning out the Church!
Hugely inappropriate and wrong.
They are Not anointed and they do Not have spiritual authority.
Do they obey the gospel? Do they have the fruit of the Spirit?
Do they have love, mercy, humility and compassion?
Do they bear good fruit?
He claims he prayed himself hoarse and then apologizes for the rebuke later. Bunch of games. Nonesense and getting everybody worked up and loads of attention. They love it.
All good questions my friend!
Lindell has lost my respect. Yuck, just YUCK. 😝😝😝😒😒😒🙄🙄🙄😠😠😠
If the offense happened in front of the church, the rebuke should happen in front of the church 🤷🏼♀️
Very well put I'm glad somebody's taking an objective unbiased look at this.
Thanks for saying this.
Thank you brother for bringing this up. Tim Dileni from Times Square Church said it well... The whole thing especially the male stripper has nothing to do with God. Bunch of nonsense. It's discusting how far from Grace the church has fallen.
The whole conference is not exhaulting Jesus. What a mess. I love Times Square Church bc they called it out and kept it real. Pastor Tim called it a circus. It doesn't belong in the church. I agree. Thank you for addressing this issue.
Love Tim Dileni. That is a real mam of God!
John is a hypocrite. Such arrogance.
What does all that exactly have to do with Church? 🤦♂ (1st view)
This man is in his flesh, the Spirit is not welcome at his "church". The Lord's altar has been defiled. The enemy has an open door where there is no repentance and renounced!
As for M.D., he should have continued in the fear of the Lord and not man.
Pride comes before a fall. I pray for the body of Christ and all Pastors. Ministers are responsible for the souls of the Lord's children. These are the Lord's children not the under-sheperds! Wake up church, your choice define where you walk: Narrow gate or the broad road. Scary times for all, in regards to the parable of the 10 Virgins. Days of Noah.
I watched that horrible display from Lindell on Wednesday night once, I have to fast forward through it before I vomit.
Omgosh...did he just say dont criticize those that have the anointing which translates into don't question what i do or God will get you? He's so busy rebuking people and scaring them about "chattering" about him and how they'll go down the tube but where is his repentance? I discern pride and self-importance. I listened to part of his sermon rebuking Driscoll but all I could hear was him trying to blame shift and justify his actions. I had to turn it off. For the record, I dont follow Driscoll or Lindell. Never heard of them until this incident so this is my unbiased opinion. Btw no one cares what Jimmy Evans has to say. Why is he even in this? So Lindell can throw "spiritual weight" behind his self justification?
According to Lindell, Alex is a new believer, the church also should be graceful and protect him, not to hurt him .
If he's a new believer, he needs to be taught what is decent and orderly in the house of God--not hired to do a circus act.
No he's not! He put out a video on this mess last Thurs I believe it was! On Instagram or RUclips. He corrected everything John said about him.
Josh, I really appreciate the humble, sound and non-sensational analysis of this sad situation. I agree with you that the sit-down on stage seemed like false peace. I heard Mark apologize but I did not hear any apology from Pastor Lindell. If the Pastor truly feels that he didn’t want to apologize for hiring the pre-conference act maybe he could have at least apologized to the audience for presenting content that not all of the rest of the conference speakers were on board with. (And yes, Mark probably should have voiced his concern in some way prior to taking the stage.) That said, I am unsettled because there still seems to be something wrong still going on underneath all this… My heart is also burdened for the performer. If it is true that he is now walking with the Lord and did not, from his frame of reference, intend for the performance to be scandalous, then it seems like he was put in an unenviable position. I pray that the performer’s heart and Christian faith does not become damaged as a result of all this. (I personally did not care for the performance but I agree with what you said about he was doing what he had been hired to do.) I too never thought that I would be defending Mark Driscoll on anything, but he said, on bended knee “this is not a rebuke of anyone, this is just an observation…” when Pastor Lindell objected, Mark stopped immediately and left the stage. When they both came back for the sit-down, I heard Mark apologize but I did not hear Pastor Lindell apologize for anything. I appreciate if the intention was to model friendship and unity. The sit-down could have been an opportunity to have a vulnerable and transparent conversation about how 2 Christian brothers came to perceive (the performance) in very different ways, giving the benefit of the doubt to both having good intentions. Instead - and again, I can’t believe I’m saying this - it almost felt like Pastor Lindell, who still seemed very angry, was bullying Mark in the name of unity and/or friendship, resulting in a false peace. I didn’t like the vibe of “Mark, I was there for you when you were down and now you owe me the loyalty of not disagreeing with me/embarrassing me at my conference”. I am familiar with the “touch not the Lord’s anointed” line of thinking, but again, I did not hear Mark criticizing Pastor Lindell. I only hear him making an observation about the content of the program, and not just out of left field, Mark’s comments were framed around the actual topic, at least from his perspective, that he was invited to speak on. Finally, I am most confused about why Pastoral Lindell is doubling down on the Matthew 18 line of argument post-conference? Has Mark since said things contrary to his on-stage apology? (He may have, I honestly don’t know). With all that I have commented on here I also readily admit that 1. I wasn’t there 2. I may be wrong and/or only responding to part of the story. Plus, certainly any abusive behavior directed towards the Pastor, Church, receptionist, etc. is clearly wrong and disgusting! That is, abusive speech and threats are wrong and disgusting. However, making an honest attempt to discern what is happening here, when done in the right way and in the right spirit is not automatically poisonous chatter against the Lord’s anointed. This is what I am appreciating about your channel (I am a new subscriber). It doesn’t seem to me that you are trying to play “gotcha” or to vilify anyone, but instead seeking to create a space where difficult and complicated things can be discussed with humility and in light of God’s Word and guided by the Holy Spirit. I hope you keep up the good work!
Thank you my friend. That means a lot to me. I really enjoyed all the things you mentioned
I've been saved since the mid seventies. I've heard touch not the Lord's anointed a million times. To pull that stunt in a church is appalling. The pastor is totally at fault for allowing that. He will answer to God, he's the one who needs to repent. People calling in death threats isn't Christian either. Don't they understand the world is watching? Horrible witness. Any man at that conference that saw that was wrong should've walked out with a pole dancer on the platform. The pastors need to start preaching sin and staying away from all appearances of evil. Stop protecting yourselves pastors. How much longer is God going to tolerate this? Maybe this is another IHOPKC where God says that's enough!
As a woman and a boymom, the dance is a teaching moment for men and if you are offended by teaching look in the mirror, could be the holy spirit trying to reach you. John Lindel made a bigger deal. out of the speech( conviction?)
The ridiculous part of this mess is Lindell will demand repentance publicly….not privately as he demanded of others. Demand of others what you won’t do yourself. That’s the religious way, not Jesus’ way.
Lindell is 100% wrong about not calling out "the anointed". The only anointed ONE is Jesus. Leaders and pastors are subject to being called out anytime, anywhere. the TRUTH is what matters.
Thanks for this
My pleasure!
The eorld looks on and see another "Christian" clown show. Heart wrenching when people haven't gotten past the milk phase and onto the neat. If my prople will humble themselves. The rebuke was correct. We are to shine light for a house divided cannot stand. As our world is crumbling, we need real soldiers. So sad and what an assaut to the early disciples of whoch most were nartyred for the faith. The dross is coming to the surface. Thanks, Joshua, love the balance you bring⚖️⚔️
I shared with my husband about this incident and I asked him how would he have responded. He said he would've walked out. Yet not one of those men in that conference did that. How narrow is the way that leads to righteousness. Few there be that walk it. This is very, very, very disturbing.
You have a good husband then!!
That act was inappropriate for a church. Lindell was the one that was wrong.
This needed to be called out so that non Christian’s there know this is wrong.
This is bringing the WORLD TO THE CHRUCH, you be the judge...
lindell really need to look at what he’s doing. i like how he’s turning it back on mark to repent ! he’s good
Lindell is controlling the narrative by putting out this speech. Playing the victim is also narcissistic. Those are fake tears. Jimmy Evans is in enough trouble as it is with the Joni Lamb saga.
Wow few caught that Jimmy Evans endorsed that bad marriage
Lindell was wrong in what he did - mark Driscoll was correct in his theology
Pole dancing period comes from the world of stripping and porn. Just like we should not partake in Yoga no one should be doing this. Not even at home alone. Sword swallowing is dangerous and we have no business tempting death either. Ripping his shirt off is confirmation that this was intended to be a striptease theme.
I agree with Mark. Lindel. Should be ashamed of allowing this and he the one that should repent
Driscoll was spot on and had he been able to preach that sermon we may be talking about revival right now and not chaos. John was covering for his leadership (which is also his family, he was playing the heart felt dad not the spirit led pastor).
We don't need to fall off a cliff into the abyss , chasing others into a pit!
Well done, Josh. You’re right about Lindell. He never mentioned his own part
The guys is all ego
😮🤨😡😵💫 @ 11:00......... it is unbelievable that this pastor of James River Church pounced on Mark calling him out as if he had done something wrong. When Mark was completely in the right to give that admonishment after a night spent in prayer. He is just milking this situation and being so full of pride it is unbelievable. Just going on and on and on and on and on about this situation
That performance angers me. That performance of that gay male stripper was completely inappropriate for any Christian conference. I do not understand why this pastor of James River Church defends that gay male stripper!!!! Defends him against another Christian Pastor. 😑😐😵💫
John Lindell is pathetic!
Neither one is right. A false preacher is kicked out of a false church's conference.
Lindell seems to be very hypocritical and looks like he is deeply offended and is now trying to destroy Driscoll. And I know niether of them or their ministries. So why is Lyndell continueing to bash Driscoll publically for disagreeing with the opening act publically. Just remeber God is watching all of this.
Well said Scott
John Lindell was totally in the wrong. The performer said he is an Orthodox Christian not a born again Christian. John Lindell did not do his due diligence by looking into this performer because if he had he would’ve known about the dudes Christianity. John Lindell needs to remember when you point a finger at a person you have 4 more pointing back at you. Pride comes before the fall and John Lindell’s pride was hurt.
Haha 😆 silly me I kept thinking why does Mark Driscoll sound familiar it's been killing me since your last video I JUST REALIZED I WAS REMEMBERING "PHIL DRISCOLL" from my youth.. I assume no relation? He was a famous singer in my fundamental groups
Oh shucks!!! Me too!!! 😂
Phil Driscoll is a very anointed trumpet player and singer...love his music!
Mark and Phil aren't related
@@TornCurtainIJoshuaSimone I figured not lol I just had a very blank brain moment nothing new for me lol Phil is truly gifted and an outstanding musician
Let me know your thoughts on the situation
The stripper was 100% in the wrong imo
I can't believe people think this is the church of believers.
This is disgraceful and shameful. What an embarrassment the so called churches are anymore. A bunch of ridiculous performances, entertainment,
Drama, theatrics, ugly pride, deception and wanting attention and zero regard for the Lordship of Jesus Christ and being led by the Holy Spirit.
No humility or obedience.
Some of these charismatic leaders control people with, "touch not......"!!!!
@@Rouge24-YT The Pastor set him up for the conference, so he's at fault!
Mark is right. John needs to own that he used terrible judgement with this pagan act. Mark was correct to rebuke.
It would seem from where I sit that Mark is following Biblical advice, he has confronted Lindell, who has done nothing but defend his choice of entertainers at this event. It has now been brought before the church (which is not Lindells assembly) and it would seem the Church feels that Lindel is indeed at fault. He seems unwilling to accept the judgment of the Church and instead is setting his assembly up as 'the Church'. Whether there was anything Christian about this event, I don't now, but I do know that anyone who is deeply into martial arts is wide open to demonic 'help'. It is said the sword swallower confesses Christianity, maybe so but there is some disturbing reference online as to how he makes his money. That may all be old news, but I have not heard how the sword guy makes his money?? The final point, it seems to me Mark had something against a brother, and the brother did not hear him and now seems unwilling to here from the Church, not just his group. This may seem a little radical but one way to decide this dispute would be to have both men come before an assembly where the Holy Spirit is present and let Him (the Holy Spirit) settle this matter. Perhaps then fear would be restored to the Church?
I loved your thoughts on the matter!
Absolutely right Joshua, Matthew 18 has nothing to do with this situation! You have explained it perfectly! John Lindell should study the scriptures thoroughly, he wouldn’t be in the mess he’s in now!
Ive never heard of John Lindell. This is the first time I've heard him speak. I don't trust him. He's the one who needs to repent. Wolf in sheeps clothing.
No way any dude thought this stripper guy was right.
No that pastor Lindell needed to repent and come out of the world system that he was propagating, not Driscoll.
He is sooooo full of himself. So, no one can question John??? Wow
Is this how Jesus would want the Church to spend its resources? I agree his shirt should have stayed on. Lindell put a stumbling block in front of everyone involved by promoting this entire "conference". Mark put a stumbling block by apologizing for speaking truth. Jesus never apologized for telling the truth. I think of how our missionaries live from penny to penny and how all this money being spent this way. We all need to be aware of the lion prowling around waiting to devour us. This celebration of worldly manliness is pagan at best, evil at worst. I pray for repentance from all involved with this conference.
Mark Driscoll is right!
what would a Woman's conference look like????? How sad all this foolishness .
John Lindell is wrong and needs prayer
He is marked as a false teacher
Alex, the entertainer said he was an orthodox Christian (as a baby).
This will backfire on Lindell!
Lindell's ministry will be toast after this