Undercover in US-Backed Anti-Abortion Clinics in Uganda
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2023
- VICE News goes undercover in Uganda to investigate misinformation and coercion inside the American-backed centers that are convincing teenagers to keep their pregnancies.
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Abortion is more than a death threat - it's actually inflicting death onto a defenseless human being.
The fact that her she told her boyfriend she did not want to engage in sex, and here she is now, without choices, disgusting. This young man should have been prosecuted, she protected, and offered the appropriate health care, including discontinuing the pregnancy.
She had a choice to close her legs
@@TheOneAboveAll_ and you had a choice to not open your mouth...but here you are.
I am still traumatized by that part
Oh boo hoo lol
You mean killing an unborn child. If the excuse is not wanting to be a parent then killing your unborn child is not healthcare - it's a selfish decision that needs to be illegal.
A follow up story about this may look at why there are adoption centers in these same areas, that "help" connect western parents to potential adoptees.
@@TM-ch3hl which does not mean adoptions need to stop. Nice try, though.
Yeah but Americans are so good at judging and telling others how to live their lives but aren't willing to help support those children as they grow up because as soon as they're born they might as well not exist. Have you heard how welcoming we are to immigrants? Or how well funded our child care system is? Perhaps you've heard that it's more dangerous to give birth in Texas than it is in most third world countries. These people don't care about the consequences or long-term effects of their actions. It's about control. It's sick. And Jesus would be sad.
@@JML6988 I'm sorry. Where did you read anything about adoptions needing to stop? Oh. Right. You made it up because it's easier to say something stupid like that then it is to actually address the issue. Congratulations on being part of the problem
The current adoption population in the U.S. is overwhelming with children. Most do not get adopted and wind up in foster care until they age out of the system. I do think abortion is wrong, but I have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body. There is no easy solution, but I think abortion is the right answer.
I dunno what you peeps know about the real world situation. But you SHOULD understand that adoption pipelines are setup between the US and Uganda. My post was really focused on that process. Why are US adoption centers setup to let US parents adopt from Uganda? Maybe because they are also supporting the same anti-abortion clinics? Hmm
This feels like dejavu at times because this is like a softer version of what christian missionaries did in Africa. Sure they are not violently and forcibly converting native Africans to Christianity, but it doesn't excuse what they're doing. Preaching pregnancy as a gift from God but failing to realize most of these girls are living in abject poverty is ridiculous. A 15 year old who's living in poverty, barely in school, no support system whatsoever is supposed to look at pregnancy positively? Adding to the fact that society always blames the girl and never the man is so ignorant of these people. What these girls need is not people who'll blame them but a support system that will empower them to live better lives.
Hear hear!!!
Abortion is already illegal so your point is irrelevant lol
What are they doing that is so immoral and is it more immoral than killing a child for the sake of convenience? If you genuinely believed that abortions accounted for the greatest mass genocide in modern history would you be this polite? Let's propose some policy, what would you propose to stop this? Would you outlaw verbally convincing people? Funding from anti-abortion clinics in the United States? Obviously Christian charity work is not going to be secular, if you would like to see somebody representing your beliefs influence Africans then you can pay for it.
Now christianity just has dollars instead of monarchies backing them.
Yes, women are inherently irresponsible. Pretty sure that is what you are saying.
@@seanmcleod7417 Women could be responsible if given autonomy over their burden of child bearing. The old religious trope of keep your legs closed is just stupid and without empathy. like telling boys not to got boners and find a woman to put it in. just nieve. Telling the girl lies just to get her to keep the baby. That's irresponsible!
3:15 Teach the young man also. You can't put everything on these young women only. Damn poor girl. Only 15 and doesn't have enough money for herself, now will have baby that requires food and medicine
It's Africa it doesn't matter if she had the baby or not they wouldn't have either anyway. And it's not like she had the option to abort in the first place.
@@deuscoromat742 What is the point of you even commenting as such?
Oh yeah, I'm sure these guys love to take on a responsibility and continue to live and grinding poverty in perpetuity
@15:44 The main problem that isn't addressed is that men and boys are never expected to sacrifice anything ever!
That's why historically the woman's "purity" has always been protected by her father and brothers.
@@deuscoromat742our fucking nuts. Get off the drugs your thinking way to hard and ignorantly. Fucking talking about "womens purity" like theres 17 virgins in heaven controlling christians like nazi's. What your talking about is complete fairy tale bullshit.
@@conm9891 Your message was so vulgar that it was hidden by RUclips lol.
Really? In my last 3 relationships, I took losses of $130,000 from them!! Including the outright theft of my personal belongings, and 11.3 bitcoins!! But sure, men are always the bad ones! Modern women, especially European American women, have way more rights and privileges than anyone in the history of humanity!!
Men sacrifice a lot by viewing women as worthy of respect. They sacrifice their dignity just to hook up with women. Loosing your dignity is as bad as it gets imo. On the other hand the men getting women pregnant are a small percentage compared to the majority of all men.
@8:15 The have no problem telling women and girls that they have sinned and are sinners. Who is telling these boys the same thing? Society and religion love to place all blame on women and make women carry the sins of men. We are the ones to bare the brunt of men and boy's wrongdoing. No one ever holds men and boys accountable!
SO TRUE
Exactly. Anything to keep women down, including telling a teenage girl that she’s a sinner who now has to deal with the consequences while the boy involved skips off and lives the same life. So tired of “well actions have consequences” as an excuse…but only for her…
EXACTLY!! But that doesn't make the pro-life movement wrong!
@@skontheroad you are right… there’s several other reasons why it’s wrong 😂
Just that dumb biblicals are blinded by their religion so any other reasoning with them is futile
You're wrong. Women carry their own sins. Men carry theirs.
I find it hypocritical that Right Wingers support these stances in developing countries but when the same people apply for asylum or something immigration related they say NO BORDERS!!!
can you elaborate on the "no borders!!"
Facts!!!
Left wing nut job myths
No one’s against legal immigration
Illegal immigration on the other hand is problem
@@Rommie26 couldnt have said it better lol
@@Rommie26 This.
They need to concentrate more on birth control…
Agreed but the problem is the age of girls who get pregnant before they even know what birth control is! Let alone how to use it.
Because Christian evangelicals are against that too.
@@nsubugajoseph7471 They should be taught about it earlier, not after they become pregnant.
This is a good start.
Every year in the US, just over half of all medical procedures of that nature, are due to birth control failing. Its not nearly perfect.
I should add that few midwives/birth attendants accept to help teenagers in labor. They want no responsibility when labor turns complicated...which for teenage pregnancies, it usually does. Many girls have ended up dying because of this delayed labor. This is the biggest tragedy in Uganda.
I will never forget a girl I happened upon seated by the roadside during my fieldwork days in a village just outside the city, alone. A midwife had refused to examine her and told her to go back home. When I came by the next day, she was dead. The parents had managed to summon an ambulance and had also found a hospital that was comfortable having her but she had died on her way there. She was only 14 and her young body had been exhausted.
We can be pro-life, but a mother's life is just as important as the child's. These girls need more information, more medical care. more support than what's being offered. Stopping an abortion shouldn't be the goal, saving a life should be the goal.
Nobody cares about the mother tho it seems, seems like a FETUS is more important then the person making it… literally.
@@kiwisgreen2525 in the vast majority of cases they care about both of them equally.
They want to help these women this is a poor country and many of them are providing resources.
It is illegal anyways so it's better to give them something and many international organizations are trying to improve services.
You're only getting one side of the story from vice because they have an agenda.
@@TheEverFreeKing so then why do the woman in the video say the organisation doesn’t keep up after birth? Clearly this is just to have control. Who even cares if they abort? It’s nobody else’s business but the mother, we should care about the mother more then an unborn child who hasn’t even seen 1 day of its life. Doesn’t seem like those woman are getting the proper help to me…
@@kiwisgreen2525 The forced birthers don't care about fetuses, either. The proof is in their failure to support or provide any resources for prenatal care for pregnant and needy girls and women. This is especially tragic in the case of pregnant teens for whom a full-term pregnancy can be a death sentence, like the case mentioned above in by Musongakati.
@@kiwisgreen2525 obviously vice is extremely biased so they would seek out people specifically who fell between the cracks.
They're not going to show you the mothers who have received all the help in the world because that would destroy their narrative.
Of course we can always do more But please understand the very narrow set of information you are being fed.
It is my business because I care about all human beings as we all should.
The unborn children certainly care when they have their limbs ripped off one-by-one and their skull crushed before being pulled through the vaginal canal.
We have a duty to help both the mother and the child but homicide is never the solution.
The amount of time somebody lives does not determine their value.
Women should have the right to choose. It's evil to force women to have children.
That's a hilarious take. It's evil to force women to have children but it's not evil to engage in the act that creates them and then kill them like it's nothing. It's definitely everyone else that's the problem not the person who literally chose to engage in the action that makes children.
she did choose when she had sex. The man also should have the right. It's both the man and the women child together.
@@deuscoromat742 facts
@@deuscoromat742 Sex is a normal part of human life.
People that are poor are going to have a lot of sex, there's nothing you can do to stop or reduce this.
No amount of preaching will change them.
Don't force them to have children, for this creates a vicious cycle of child neglect, but you don't seem to care about that.
@@natepolitics1490 Men are not equal contributors to pregnancy, so they do not have any such say.
IF they want such say, they should be forced to tear their anus several inches first.
15:38 He really said it all right there. That's what these people believe. If mothers are miserable and regret having a child, they don't care because they feel like mothers SHOULD be miserable. That's what motherhood is all about for them. They don't feel like women should be able to live their own life in a way that makes them happy. He made it clear as day.
That's how religious countries roll. Religion is punitive
Imagine hardly being able to provide for yourself, now you have a little one to somehow provide for.
It’s really hard to properly lactate if you don’t have proper nutrition.
These women are poor, I doubt they can afford formula.
I guess as long as the baby is born, that’s all that matters.
If the baby starves, I guess that doesn’t matter.
An infant starving seems more cruel to me than terminating a pregnancy.
While in the uterus, it’s a fetus.
They don't even care of the babies are born healthy. How many of these women can afford prenatal care? And if they can't, what supports are there for them BEFORE the birth? And what about follow-up. Forced birth in Third World countries is even more wrong, on many levels, than it is in the developed countries, which is not to say that poor women get the needed help in those countries, either.
This made me so angry! It’s sad that women have to take on the burden of sexual assault and can’t get accurate information or adequate help. Why is the unborn more important than the living? I will never understand that.
These folks claim they are followers of Christ yet rebuke his teachings and commit sins using his name. Chiefly among them baring false witness.
I don't think I'm going to take religious advice from someone who Advocates killing babies. Good try though;)
All life must be protected
@@mikelarry2869 to the detriment of the person carrying that life?
My wife and I are pro choice atheists. We adopted an unwanted little boy 2 years ago and have since given him a much better life than he would have had otherwise.
How many unwanted children have forced birthers adopted? I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of “pro-life” Christians haven’t adopted a single unwanted child that they pretend to care so much about.
How many have they aborted themselves
Exactly!
That’s great! I remember being in high school wanting to be a foster parent! That’s still a goal I have for the future and I’m agnostic. Raising children who don’t have a legal guardian must be so humbling and a true privilege. Our country has such a weak social safety net and those poor children are usually forgotten and ignored by society.
Why would you adopt another man’s child? Why not reproduce yourself?
Look at this virtue signaling hypocrite. You support murdering babies and then try to look like a "good" person by adopting a child. That's like a Nazi adopting a Jewish child while supporting the concentration camps. Deplorables of this earth.
A man… running a pregnancy care facility… who doesn’t know what it’s like to be pregnant and never will.
Red flag
Heart beat international should support these young mothers after giving birth 🤰
Yes but they never do. They don't care.
I think that instead of the organization being the ones giving support both pro-choice and pro-life people should all be part of what happens after birth by donating. Since pro-choice use this part as an argument for why abortion should be their option, if pro-choice people are willing to be part of the women’s choice they should also donate to whatever happens after it could be that the child was born or that the mother has done an abortion and might need some resources to process this important part of her life that may cause trauma, depression and so on. pro-life should also donate to such organizations to show that they truly do what they believe.
A child's life is so very precious...until it exits the womb, after which Heartbeat Intl could care less.
they should fly them to America if they about the children's well-being.. this organization smells like a money laundering scheme
They only care up until birth
It's disgusting that they're scaring these vulnerable girls into a decision that is life altering. And flat out lying to them, scaring them into keeping a pregnancy.. when they're already afraid. It's disgusting and disturbing. It's wrong on so many levels and needs to be stopped
No Uganda number one 💪😎
They are saving lives truly a based country 💪😎
They need to clean up some of their facts but they're not all wrong.
The real facts are just as effective if not more so 👍
@@TheEverFreeKing …Saving lives? What I saw is them ruining lives. Not only the mother’s life but the unwanted child that’s going to suffer and live in extreme poverty. And the cycle starts all over again. AND Where will YOU be? Will YOU be there to offer help and assistance? NO YOU will be sitting in your comfortable house, eating delicious foods and spitting your disgusting anti abortion misogyny rhetoric on those less fortunate. IT’S NEVER ABOUT THE CHILDREN! It’s about you pushing your own beliefs onto young girls and taking away their basic human rights. God does NOT play a role in this.
It's disgusting to encourage murder
I'm so disgousted feminist who advocates for genocides at unis, saying how proud part of civilisated society they're, but after longer chatting with them they say that they're extremly unhappy in society which they helping create and want kill themselfs, bullied chidren at schools or hidding raping of children which commited singles mothers, I know many cases like that and I'm so disgousted of peoples who want push their sick ideologies to other cultures
But murdering an innocent child is perfectly acceptable right? You people are the scum of the earth!
The fact they said “they get little follow up after the child is born” shows that it’s all they care about, that the child is born and then your on your own, fighting against mothers to ban abortions and leaves them in poverty after birth. Ruthless
With no resources made available for supporting prenatal care, they don't even care if the pregnancy results in a healthy baby. This whole issue is about controlling women...denying them control of their own bodies and ultimately their own lives.
If you didn't know they do the same thing to mothers who have abortions in the west. once the doctors abort the baby the mother is given almost no help and support after shes been pressured or made the decision to abort the baby.
the mental and physical damage it takes on a woman after an abortion is so great that it sends them to very dark places, it's extremely sad.
Also you're getting a biased view, look at who's telling you this stuff, white western entitled americans cutting the video clips at convenient times, clearly trying to catch the people out and not get a full unbiased story.
Accepting what this video/channel is showing you is a mistake.
and if you really do believe everything they say, then ask yourself, what are the abortion "clinics" doing in countries like these? do you really think they're helping these young mothers after giving them abortions? don't be fooled friend.
@@Jules7777 No one is pressured to have an abortion by abortion clinics. That is propaganda. And the idea that there is lasting damage to the woman who chooses to have an abortion is also not necessarily true but IS more propaganda.
What IS true is that being forced to give birth to a child one does not want obviously can do lasting damage to both the mother, and the unwanted child.
To put it simply, you don't know what you're talking about.
But killing an innocent child is perfectly acceptable to you?
@@AerialEscape and forcing a lifetime decision on a woman is acceptable to you?
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK VICE! THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT THESE FOUNDATIONS FOR USING FEAR TACTICS ON THESE YOUNG LADIES.
I don't think they are frightened enough. Have you seen the dismembered and mangled body of an aborted baby?
@@Lerian_V Leftists are excited by that image
@@Lerian_V normal people don't need to look at pictures of medical procedures. what a psychotic opinion
rather that focusing on abortion they should focus on promoting abstinence
@@Lerian_V Have u seen hopeless single moms struggling to provide for their child & maintain basic shelter? U know, the demographic that accounts for 50% of the sheltered population & 37% of homeless. Guess if u got scary pics, it's easier to just ignore that problem.
this is one of the most evil things I have ever seen
What so killing children is ok what’s your religion again wonder what GOD has for you death is the beginning not the end
The first world eats the second and third, until the sun burns out.
Ive been to one of these centers to get a pregnancy test. I was 8 months pregnant and past the point of getting an abortion under any circumstances. I was told that I still had to go through the full process to recieve referral services.
I sat through an abbreviated presentation about how bad abortion was including graphic photos. I was horrified
Wow you had to see photos of an abortion? How sad. At least you learned.
I wish your baby always in good health
@@Shiny101 a woman does not need to see graphic and intimate photos of abortion to learn about it. This is used as a deterrent, not being used as an educational tool at all here sadly. Access to information and clinics is paramount for a womans wellbeing. This video shows Uganda and the US have a long way to come.
Oh so you've had a great financial situation, supportive partner and an established career I take it
@@everythingisfine9988 why are you attacking her? She is just sharing her story, a very intimate one. Please respect that. There are some of us that are able to access more than others. Is it right? No. But should we shame those who are doing the same thing you would in their shoes? No. If you can access healthcare, why on earth would you not take advantage of that, because others can't? In terms of a protest, yes that could be useful. But the rejection of a crucial service merely because its not accessible to all, just ... doesn't make sense?
15:44 The look on her face!! It's like the shocked Pikachu face!
The people working at these centers are sociopaths.
🤬😡🤬 'Pregnacies are a gift from God' ... People are so vile, involving God in their poor decisions. They even forget that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Most of these people cant even care for those children and condem them to a life of abuse and poverty!
It's contradictory that God will gift you in return for sin and poor parenting. People need to stop evoking his name to suit their own selfish narratives!
Ofc they are US backed.. who else would do something this heartless..
*Yes! Let us applaud the pregnant 15 y old and ruin her future while we smile & act so happy for her!*
Thats some other level of evil..
Saying this is US backed is misleading. I’m tempted to say it was purposeful misinfo to act as clickbait.
@@anon69_q your toxic posion is already present in other africans countries. Or do you really an african would say "it's adam & eve, not adam & steve" without hearing it from a murican first.. just nooo.. no one wants your BS.
@@ingridakerblom7577 The fact you forgot to type “think” is poetic.
Also, with the same logic you are US backed as you are using YT to share your opinions.
@@anon69_q USA is a sadistic country
What is wrong with a 15 year old having a baby. In your society it’s not the best idea but it’s incredibly naive and ignorant of you to think your society’s norms should apply to everyone everywhere.
What is the real cause for concern is that she isn’t married. If I was her father I would be going to that man and telling him put a ring on it or I will hang your balls on my wall.
The Christian Right could do the world a huge favor and stop spreading their lies like fertilizer. I am heartbroken as I listen to these girl's interviews -- not women -- feeling defeated because they've been lied to by adults who need to do better. I hope the health minister can get a public campaign going to address this bs. After birth IS the hard part -- children require time, money, love & patience. 😩
You would be surprised by the number of "Far Right" groups that are pro choice, every white supremacist ive ever met is all for it.
So... you think this is a breaking news report?? They didn't know about these issues before Vice came along? The Ugandan Health Minister is SO grateful! Please...
The damage religion and evangelical establishments have done to my dear country Uganda is beyond horror. I'm glad it is being exposed I long for the day when the people will wake up and say enough is enough
I totally agree with you. Evangelical churches spread like a virus
that's not gonna fix anything major, the real problem is exploitation and financial corruption
@Anim8D Ideas those are other problems faced in the country. But if you just spend one week in this country the religious establishments are one of the biggest enablers of it. The first step of change is getting the right information before any course of action takes place
@Oh lala it is so bad that literally every 300m or so there's a church and the distance has been dropping each year.
@@MrG2468 That is because too many religious leaders like the followers to follow them. The followers don't know why they are religious, besides tradition. They should evaluate the religion and its teachings for themselves. I am sure more than not have not read their religious texts.
I am not Ugandan, but in Nigeria, many big pastors are just scammers who prey on the follower's insecurities and fears. I used to be most upset with the leaders, but the followers have their own responsibility to read the books for themselves, and if they truly do believe it, then they need to determine if the pastors and reverends are doing right.
Most of them just use the title for financial gain and status. They don't care about any god, and they do not care about people either. But they couldn't get people to follow them, if they did not claim to be sent by God.
So if a mother is unable/unwillingly to raise the child then what happens to the child??
Ask all these "pro-lifers" in the comments how many they've adopted
The normal people take care of them and allow them to not be murdered
@@MikeJProto In Uganda? You clearly have never been to Africa.
You don't want to know the answer to that question.
@@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy 80% of newborns are adopted before they are 3 months old. So clearly many "pro-lifers" are adopting.
The sad part is that over half of these births, the baby will not make it to the age of 15. That's why in Africa, they push for young girls to be pregnant so they could keep on pumping out more babies.
What's the point? Does each birth mean a customer to sell products to?
"US-Backed" what a shocker
Ah yes, that's what Africa needs right now, more forced births, when it's already at the brink of a population explosion that will coincide with more and more draughts and food shortages.
As Hitchens said, and I'm paraphrasing, the most important thing in order for a society to accumulate wealth is the empowerment of women and their liberation from their roles as incubators.
Ugandans aren’t starving 😂
White liberals and their rhetoric is there anything wrong if Ugandans want to have babies they don’t see babies as parasites like you do.
Why is America want to be police of the world
I’m pro choice. I was 14 when I had an abortion and I was told nothing bout it just that I wouldn’t be pregnant anymore. I feel guilt to this day for not educating myself more but I was only 14. I was 23 weeks pregnant. No one told me that babies have been born at this stage and lived. I was horrified when I learned this. I think it’s important to inform all the information not leave out the facts that might discourage someone
Many children who give birth at 14 die due to complications from the birth in their underdeveloped bodies. If you weren't lucky enough to get an abortion its very possible you would have died or would not be able to get pregnant as an adult. It is not about the fetus, it's about the mother who already exists
It always shocks me how much religion skews people's thinking and decision making on everything
Religion is the least of the issues in Africa. The MALES are just screwing around. Look at the poor infrastructure and architecture. You'd think they'd get a clue by now.
We need to talk about Religion AND white supremacy. It's important that we talk about how those 2 ideologies work hand and hand together.
Why do older generations encourage the struggles and suffering of the younger...
Because they suffered and survived. That's why we are here.
No they understand the importance of life but younger people are selfish and easily swayed
@@mikelarry2869 "they understand that importance of life", that's hilarious. The further back you go the worst things get, abortions were significantly higher before but sure it's us youngster who are the problem
How about you have the men come in with those poor girls. You make the men have some accountability and things would change. That's what everyone misses. I don't know why nobody seems to get this.
So disgusting. They guilt you to have it then not help. That’s also her win the US. It’s absolutely disgusting behavior and there needs to be repercussions for this.
15:41 "But these mothers feel as though they've sacrificed their own lives and their futures..."
Response: "And that happens all the time; that's what motherhood is all about..."
Woof, that face @ 15:44 is priceless...but I would have followed up with a forehead slap and a long "Jeeeeeesus."
I despise religion, mostly because of how many of these con-artists exist, and how little condemnation they face from their own religious groups for their exploitative missionary work.
God says: "screw your dreams and aspirations! I have a plan...but you have freewill (somehow)"
You forget about all those poor young girls that were r*ped & that's how they got "God's gift" 1st place? What an absolutely _monstrous_ thing to do to any woman! Some of these women can't feed themselves or their children that they already have at home! Plus, the death rate for these poor women both during delivery & postnatal is atrocious! They _need_ real education & contraception, NOT some moronic indoctrination, FFS! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
It's quite comical when those people use the "free will" argument when asked about how he lets murder exist. I refuse to worship a being who gives "free will" to people like Ted Bundy.
Omniscience versus omnipotence very depending on denomination. I don't think God is the one who got them pregnant, it was a lack of personal responsibility. Women are biologically disadvantaged when it comes to promiscuity. Worst things happen than bringing women in and telling them that God loves them and their baby.
I think you need to read your Bible again. A lot of the "dreams and aspirations" that God "screws" are evil deeds like murder, stealing, and lying. And the reality of freewill and God's omniscience don't contradict. Just because God knows what will happen does not mean that He is causing that to happen. Like, how I know that every morning that the sun will rise and in the evening the sun will descend doesn't directly link me to cause the sun to come and go. Same idea with the foreknowledge of God: He has a plan for you; he sees everything that will come due to his omniscience; and plans things that are in the end that are best for you.
I mean, if you use your freewill to have sec knowing that’s how you get pregnant how is that Gods fault?
Anything the US is involved in we can expect them to be doing nothing good.
Very rarely... unfortunately, we're not the worst nation on earth. There's even worse international actors.
mmmmm anything? so the 1.8 billion dollars that US gives to Jordan to take care of 3 million refugees is nothing good?? Lets cut US aid then... lets see that happens with this "perverse" involvement
@@Jimmy1982Playlists hello cia op #14556
@@Jimmy1982Playlists nah. The worst. War crimes in Asia, South America, the Middle East and support for Israel. The evangel Christians in Africa do a huge amount of harm.
Ukraine? Lol
Sure, 11 year olds having children
In the poorest county in the world
What could go wrong
I don't see wars breaking out because of it
I don't think living should depend on their level of wealth. Call me old-fashioned but that sounds immoral.
@@deuscoromat742 Deus Coromat thinks it is totally acceptable for children to starve to death.
They don't need a basic standard of living, they're not humans with rights, after all.
@@deuscoromat742
But it should be *THEIR CHOICE!!*
Not coerced with this massive level of misinformation and disinformation.
@@Len-jk4zi You are a treasure trove of moral virtue lol. Please enlighten me of the completely arbitrary standard that you have set for the lives of children in Africa to be worth living. It's very tolerant of you to mercy kill people based on a life that you personally don't think is worth living. You think we ought to let them get out and stretch their legs a little before we ask him if they want to die? How about we ask all the world's orphans if they would rather die?
@@covfefe_drumpfh They do have a choice. There's only one way to get pregnant lol. Nobody should have the choice to end unborn lives because they want to be free from the consequences of their actions. If you don't want to be poor then don't take out loans you can't pay back. If you don't want to have children don't take the risk. simple.
the people in charge of these baby factories need to be in prison. LIES AND TERROR AND MORE LIES!!!
Like, why produce babies when you can't afford a standard living. Black men are just embarrassing. It's been hundreds of years, the area shouldn't look like this at present. If my grandpa builds a tiny single residential 1 bedroom house, then over the next few years he should have built extra bedrooms as his children were born. Then his kids have his grandchildren and build on top of the fathers' foundation. Over multiple generations, you should have a steady mansion. Why are they still living in dirt in 2023????
Fear mongering at its finest, so sad😢
Maybe they show some of the more extreme things that can happen but they are trying to convince someone not to commit murder on their own child in a world that encourages it.
I think the real solution is for marriage to be encouraged so these girls don’t become single mothers. Their age is irrelevant. A married 15 year old is going to do better than a single 30 year old.
@@domhamai your comment is irrelevant, fact of the matter is right wing self proclaimed children of god are pushing fear mongering tactics in order for to convince a baby to have a baby regardless of health risks, and social economic means,it’s hard having a baby in any situation married or not, 15 or 30.. I think implying being married in order to be a better mother is ignorant, being a good mother isn’t dependent on marriage.
@@Katrina19877 being a good mother might not be contingent on marriage, but raising a good child with a chance at success is strongly indicated by a nuclear family. Facts don’t care about feelings unfortunately, and murder is murder no matter what words you use - the fact you’d rather make murderers than mothers of these girls speaks volumes.
@@domhamai the fact you are so self righteous in your proclamation about women’s reproductive rights speaks volumes to your ignorance to real life situations for young women living a real life, heaven forgive the day you have to make a decision for your life that other people won’t scrutinize, step down off your Pedestal and please take several seats, and I could have sworn it was only god who could judge not man.. you say murder I say it’s not your call or anyone else’s to say what a women does with her own body, how about pushing condoms and birth control, oh wait that would lead more women to not get pregnant and completely destroy any need for pushing fear mongering tactics and collect money for the faction. It’s most definitely self righteous people thinking they are doing god a favor when gods plans are already laid on the table, his plans don’t need intervention from self righteous man.
@@Katrina19877 I could say that the fact that you are so dismissive of human rights speaks volumes. Heaven forgive you ever have to answer for the murder of your innocent baby never mind having to live with it, I wouldn’t wish it on my enemy.
I could tell you to step down off your emotionally charged virtue signalling pedestal and entertain objective reason.
The problem with your argument is that it is not her body. I am all for contraceptive measures but if you act irresponsibly it doesn’t give anyone the right to murder simply for convenience.
I’m dumbfounded this is really a conversation that needs had 🤦🏻♂️
That was a tough watch. How can we in the west support women to get the abortions and subsequent medical care that they need? And support the women who felt tricked into carrying these pregnancies? This made me so enraged and upset for these poor women. The level of responsibility Western countries have when giving aid is huge, but this awful Heartbeat organisation is just wilfully ignoring that responsibility.
Why aren't their counter program to fight these groups
There are Marie Stopes clinics and few other less known NGO run center but the information about these centers is not common knowledge because it is illegal and society resists them, abortion is frowned upon and the community treats it as a taboo. I only learned of the Marie Stopes clinics because I am relatively privileged.
Because abortion is illegal in Uganda genius
Because Abortion is illegal in Uganda lol. Africans aren’t westerners
@@nsubugajoseph7471 Abortion is not frowned upon. It is ILLEGAL! Didn't you listen??
And they need to be taught (properly) about birth control! Stop the problem from the start!
@@skontheroad I agree about teaching contraceptive methods. But the Ugandan (conservative) society resists introducing young children to these yet as seen in the documentary they are getting pregnant at 15years of age!
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Are we all just going to gloss over the fact that Rehema described the encounter that she described that caused her to be pregnant amounts to sexual assault???
Folks put to much pressure on women. Men should be taught to be responsible and held accountable for the kids they create. Since women will always have to bare the weight of a pregnancy men should have to be held responsible for the weight of taking care of mom and baby.
It’s very clear you have no idea how African societies work.
Except the man ran way across most cultures in Africa if a man gets a woman Pregnant he is forced to get married to the woman and take care of the child.
6:36 A fetus that is that big is not aborted right? Unless it’s incompatible with life. Because when I gave birth to my 1 pound micro preemie, my baby was about that size of not smaller. Usually most pregnancies were allowed to be aborted up until 3 months gestational age here before Roe V Wade was a repealed right?
your right.
Who needs facts when you have religion? Scare tactics achieve their goals better than honesty. These are the same sorts who have spread lies about "4th term" abortions being legalized in parts of the USA as way to convince people to drastically reduce or completely ban abortions. They only "care" until the baby is born, then the support quickly disappears.
@@nsubugajoseph7471 Izzie, killing babies is never right. These people that think it is OK are monsters.
you're right honey, but prolifers have made it impossible for people to know this actual fact. Spreading around misinformation
@@seanmcleod7417 👹👹
Sad to to see a beautiful people, whos minds are poisoned by religion.
The Woke religion is evil I agree
you can say that about anything
As far as i'm concerned secularism & liberalism is just as much of a religious myth as nordic gods.
Try being gay in Uganda. I think it could be a problem
Free abortions for African at all stages of pregnancy
Most times I have been here watching news from other countries and only today to land on something from my country (Uganda).
As a Christian I wouldn't advocate for abortion but as a country we should focus on how to prevent such early pregnancies.
I understand the Christians are trying to save unborn child. I don't like them scaring girls only.
They need to invest on educating young women and young men about sex and about healthy marriage goals. They need to focus on education.
@@youngdegenerate1002 Marriage doesn't work for everyone.
The problem is the same religion is actually against teaching people sexual education and if they agree with it they will pressure people into teaching abstinence based sex-ed which was proved multiple time it doesn't work: I think that's my main issue with them.
@@youngdegenerate1002 Think young ppl understand sex can lead to pregnancy & that abstinance & condoms exist. A lot of Christian/Catholic organizations actively advocate against using or supplying contraceptives, that would prevent a lot of these issues & prefer to scare & scold ppl instead.
Yes!! Especially we need to educate our young men. For too long they get away with practices that do not support their wives, sisters, or own children. We need the men to step up and be responsible, and we need to teach the women to be responsible for their own bodies, decisions and choices for who they choose to make families with too. Both need better sexual practices.
I'm currently watching this from deep with in the African Congo me and my team are on a much needed five day rest back at base camp we have been studying some of the last known Gorillas on the planet stay safe guy's 👍🙏
Say hi for me if you happen to see Tarzan
@@sadaqomar5640 Same 😂
You stay safe as well!
Thank you and your team for your incredible work!!
That's interesting, would they happen to be the "Cross River gorillas" species? I understand they're considered more endangered than the Highlands gorillas & Mountain gorillas?
15:43 she couldn't even hide her disgust. I get it if you're pro life, but you need to give accurate facts. If you have to scare and personable young girls to keep a baby then obviously something isn't clicking.
Personally I don’t really understand her disgust at the suggestion that motherhood is a sacrifice. Of course parenting involves a sacrifice of your future.
My parents could have been going on romantic getaways in five-star tropic resorts if they chose not to have kids. I feel like this woman doesn’t want to have to sacrifice anything for anybody else.
@@gunnermccormick3957 why should she have to sacrifice anything tho? Not everyone wants to be a breeder.
The fact that these girls are below 18years of age,the offense committed is Defilement and it doesn't matter if the girl has consented or not.
Men don't care. Do you listen to the manosphere in the West? All men want girls underage to control them. And then shame women who are 25 and approaching 30 with the "wall".
@@suezcontours6653 stop projecting your western insecurities on Africa.
@@sharwama992 It's not projection. They are literally BLASTING on top of their lungs for the world to hear on podcasts and making money trashing women for not securing a man before 25 years old. Who made Andrew Tate famous? Or the late Kevin Samuels. Millions of betas out there. This is the default setting of men. To control women's bodies. Call this a male paradise. Why change it?
CHRISTIANITY-backed! Let’s rename that title
Vice you are making the best journalism. Thank you. Final clip was heartbreaking.
In this episode of spreading freedumb beyond our borders....
Notice they didn't mention _all_ the poor young girls that were r*ped & that's how they got "God's gift" 1st place? What an absolutely _monstrous_ thing to do to any woman! Some of these women can't feed themselves or the children that they already have at home. Plus, the death rate for these women both during delivery & postnatal is atrocious! They _need_ real education & contraception, NOT some moronic indoctrination, FFS! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
And they don't think overpopulation is part of the problems Africa is facing?
Exactly!
No it isn’t
Africa has around 1bn people. Less than China or india. And has over 5x the size of either country. It's not over populated
“that’s what motherhoods all about” says the man with no uterus
This is all so men can get their rocks off for a few minutes, with no worries or accountability, while women take on this impossible responsibility. It's absolutely unbelievable!!!
Unbelievable? Really???
Sorry to hear your love life experiences are based on a few minutes everytime. And sure just blame everything on men and not the lack of (sexual) education or poverty to name a few things.
Don't give it up too easily girl. Get him to put a ring on it before letting to get his rocks off.
What these women need is proper education and access to contraceptives not corrupt pregnancy clinics.
They want to have children and you can’t do anything about that
@@sharwama992 one of the girls said she wishes she didn't have her baby, she had sex at 15.....lack of education. She's still a child herself 🙄 And a lot of women are raped, and turn the clinic for help and instead are forced into keeping a child they don't want.
Unfortunately they had no educated decision, they were just coerced into doing something based on imaginary beliefs.
Sex is the only thing that makes money in the country and it is normal in the country to see very young people having sex
Usually the mothers sell their children
IT is horrific
That is a gross exaggeration! And very inaccurate. Yes teenagers have sex that is not unique to uganda I think what is unique to uganda is the luck of sex education at an early age before they hit puberty. How to do it properly and safely. I agree it is horrific how young teenager's lives full of potential get destroyed by this!
@@nsubugajoseph7471 But teens cant go to school in poor countries if they're pregnant or have a baby to care for so that's why these cults lay these traps.
@Amy M. Clark Cults? Do you realize that teens can't go to school bc they can't go when they have their period??
THAT is one of the main reasons girls are not able to enter the work force--they miss half a month of school every month! At least when they are pregnant, they can go to school (an incentive to them!). And here, at least they get pre-natal care!
@@skontheroad that periods thing is not true in all the places in Uganda I have been to. I grew up there there a sanitary pads for most of the girls in most of the places. And a significant effort is underway to make sure all the girls in all parts of the country get adequate free access to sanitary pads anytime they need them.
@@skontheroad and you really make some unnerving comments, how can you say that! "They get pregnant so that atleast they can stay in school for a full month." You should be ashamed of yourself! I for one I am embarassed by your comment. It's super inappropriate and grossly misinformed. I suggest you take it down.
15:06 “the worst thing that can happen when we can’t chase down all that information is that a baby is born” MY WORD. A baby born into poverty… a baby born into a world that sees their life as only that but not their ability or inability to thrive. Unbelievable how out of touch that “man” was. They have such a warped view of the Bible and supporting mothers and children… it’s unreal. Jesus lost his cool twice in the Bible and one was in reference to what should happen to those who bring harm to children. I don’t see that verse or his meaning towards abortion but towards those who knowingly let a child live in unlivable conditions, in poverty, with disease or starvation, on the streets, etc.
It's all about money... it's obvious. Pro life is a scam.
Do you know how much income abortion clinics generate? Are you on drugs ?
MONEY????? 😆 🤣 😂
You are HI-LARIOUS!!!
Have you ever even been out imof your state, bc I KNOW you have never been to Africa!!
WHAT money????
You are a millionaire compared to these people!
The reporter: “These young Black women. have sacrificed their futures because of your misinformation” The old white male: “idgaf lol”
Maybe that's the game. Africa can't get independent if they have to deal with overblown population that won't align with the sitting president while you have island countries like Japan with thriving economies and a shrinking population.
These guys who make these girls pregnant should be held accountable for their actions and make them pay for the abortion or let them pay for the bus of the kids not to run away like a bunch of cowards that most these men are today..
this comment is kind of stupid
Provide & promote contraception to prevent millions of people being born into severe poverty.
Notice they didn't mention that most of the poor young girls were r*ped & that's how they got "God's gift" 1st place? What an absolutely _monstrous_ thing to do to any woman! Some of these women can't feed themselves or the children that they already have at home. Plus, the death rate for these women both during delivery & postnatal is atrocious! They _need_ real education & contraception, NOT some moronic indoctrination, FFS! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
That doesn't solve anything, it just leads to more shitty lives. This is the problem with most of the world, you all care about "justice", a pathetic excuse that you spew whenever you want to hurt people. They need help, education, medical aid, social support.
@@davidz3879 Absolutely! I have cut and pasted this comment, so you may see it 2x (sorry, but it is important!!):
So... went there to do outreach, I learned that the NGO that had been there 2 months prior and had left a huge bag of condoms after learning that 30% of the people on the fishing villages we were working on had HIV/AIDS based on the testing they had done. I was also told that there was even a prostitute on the fishing village (they seemed oddly proud of the fact. I told them it was the oldest profession in "the book" and that I was not surprised). I then asked why there were so many and was told that they had not been handed out! When I pressed them for answers, I was told that they didn't need more yet. I didn't understand because surely the prostitute must need more! "No, no, not yet!" He explained with the wave of a hand, "hers is still good. She uses it every day! She cleansing it every night! Hers is still a good one. When it breaks, she comes to buy a new one!" (We will forget the bit about needing to BUY a new one!) WHAT?????
After my first few weeks there, it clicked to me--You can NEVER assume that they understand what you are saying. NEVER skip over what seems to be an obvious step. It is even understandable as 150 years ago, condoms WERE reused! So, if they were not told that the condoms they were given were disposable--how, would they know to dispose of them after every use?? And even if they were told--they wouldn't. They would reuse them until they broke. Or until someone explained to them WHY the MUST be thrown out after one use!!!
Especially on an island where 30% of the people have HIV/AIDS, and there is one prostitute on their island!
Side note: in Uganda To be childless adult at 25yrs or more whether man or woman society will castigate you
Uganda is in the same boat with these far-right pro-life people as those in America. Let's have babies lots and lots and lots of babies. We will help you during your pregnancy. Too bad you're on your own afterwards. We're not going to help you with food or clothing or education or health care after the child but, we did our part and made sure that baby was born regardless of the hardship on the family. It's just so American.
Organized religion is so so bad for women 🧐
And what options would you suggest
@@redlionesv Science, common sense, contraception, education, logic.
@@davidz3879 😂 gotcha 😂
@@redlionesv Gotcha what? Seek education
@@davidz3879 it crazy how this is not the norm in 2023. People...entire countries are really still in the dark ages.
I have lost all faith in the human race
Please also include contributing factors such as * Cough Cough ** "The Lockdowns"
They should start respecting my Joeyist religious beliefs like how procreation is violence, and that sex sacred and peaceful. When will the world start respecting my religion?
If L. Ron Hubbard and every single evangelical can use state legislatures to warp reality, can’t I use the same legislature to endorse more humane ethics?
It would have been more effective if the journalist focused on the impact of bringing more children in severe poverty than speaking on the young mother sacrificing their lives to have the baby when she was talking to the white male leader of the hope ministry. Of course he responded the way he did. She also should have brought the misinformation with her to show him and allow him to confirm or deny that they sent them to Uganda as the staff in Uganda claimed. Missed opportunities in her line of questioning with him. She so should have stated that the health Minister of Uganda also said their tactics were illegal - the not sending them to an actual medical facility. Sigh...I'm glad they reported on this but not sure what good it actually does if she did not bring those things up with that leader and then ask the Uganda health minister about next steps to address this problem.
Because it is not actually misinformation. Scare tactics (truth tactics?), maybe. Misinformation, no.
They can be referred to a medical setting 100x. If they can not GET to the medical center, then what??
The reporter says it hurts their job prospects. Notice she didn't report on the unemployment there.
The report is just as bad as what she says she is reporting on and how bad that is (in her eyes).
It is the reporter who is misinformed.
Notice how she paises when she says, "They take more information when they get it from... foreigners"? What she was TOLD, instead of "foreigners," was "the whites"! "The whites are coming!" Is what they say in the villages when the NGOs come. I was asked by a woman to CUT HER OPEN AND DO SURGERY!!! And we were not there to provide medical care to the humans in the village! I tried to back away out of the room and she grabbed me and begged me to CUT HER OPEN!!! It was tragic. And she wouldn't let my husband--a doctor--palpate her lump to see what it was. Only I could touch her. It was a whole situation (she is fine, it was an umbilical hernia. I think.).
What I did get from this clip--At least they are getting pre-natal care!
Ah yes good ole Christianity... I'm going to make a new religion called common sensianity! I don't have a made up epic story about immaculate conception or magical healing so I won't be getting any followers ...
For all the ones preaching for making abortions illegal I hope you see all these suffering young girls that your not even there to help but yet fighting for a decision that isn’t suppose to be anyone’s but the mother carrying the baby.
That reporter's face be crazy looking lmao..good reporting nevertheless
I have cut and pasted this comment, so you may see it 2x (sorry, but it is important!!):
So... went there to do outreach, I learned that the NGO that had been there 2 months prior and had left a huge bag of condoms after learning that 30% of the people on the fishing villages we were working on had HIV/AIDS based on the testing they had done. I was also told that there was even a prostitute on the fishing village (they seemed oddly proud of the fact. I told them it was the oldest profession in "the book" and that I was not surprised). I then asked why there were so many and was told that they had not been handed out! When I pressed them for answers, I was told that they didn't need more yet. I didn't understand because surely the prostitute must need more! "No, no, not yet!" He explained with the wave of a hand, "hers is still good. She uses it every day! She cleansing it every night! Hers is still a good one. When it breaks, she comes to buy a new one!" (We will forget the bit about needing to BUY a new one!) WHAT?????
After my first few weeks there, it clicked to me--You can NEVER assume that they understand what you are saying. NEVER skip over what seems to be an obvious step. It is even understandable as 150 years ago, condoms WERE reused! So, if they were not told that the condoms they were given were disposable--how, would they know to dispose of them after every use?? And even if they were told--they wouldn't. They would reuse them until they broke. Or until someone explained to them WHY the MUST be thrown out after one use!!!
Especially on an island where 30% of the people have HIV/AIDS, and there is one prostitute on their island!
The irony of a white man talked about what motherhood is and what motherhood sacrifice...
That's why it's good for your child to read and do research for them selves
When dose vice show good about Africa instead of showing gloom and doom in Africa
Jor-el's parents made a mistake. They should have named him Zod.
Hometown getting some coverage 💪🏿💪🏿
Right, they need to increase their population. Just stupid!
christ alive, can you imagine becoming pregnant, the 1st time you had sex AND you told your boyfriend you didn't want to? .. nope, me neither.
religion has always been about power
Funny how you say, "Clinics that provides safe Abortion".... in Uganda?
Pro choice is not pro abortion. Abortions are a last resort that should be naturally zero, alongside measures like education, access to proper care, access to birth control. But the right doesn't want that either. U can adopt these kids but u don't, u can teach men too but u don't. Pro life is just hate and it disgusts me so much I couldn't finish watching the video.
I think Chic-Fil-A has direct connections this this group which is why I don't go there.
The result of colonialism, past and present. It is sickening.
Spend the money on educating these young girls and boys. Teach them about healthy partnership that leads to a healthy marriage. Now that they are pregnant you want to educate them! Do it sooner.
Is that a joke???
I have cut and pasted this comment, so you may see it 2x (sorry, but it is important!!):
So... went there to do outreach, I learned that the NGO that had been there 2 months prior and had left a huge bag of condoms after learning that 30% of the people on the fishing villages we were working on had HIV/AIDS based on the testing they had done. I was also told that there was even a prostitute on the fishing village (they seemed oddly proud of the fact. I told them it was the oldest profession in "the book" and that I was not surprised). I then asked why there were so many and was told that they had not been handed out! When I pressed them for answers, I was told that they didn't need more yet. I didn't understand because surely the prostitute must need more! "No, no, not yet!" He explained with the wave of a hand, "hers is still good. She uses it every day! She cleansing it every night! Hers is still a good one. When it breaks, she comes to buy a new one!" (We will forget the bit about needing to BUY a new one!) WHAT?????
After my first few weeks there, it clicked to me--You can NEVER assume that they understand what you are saying. NEVER skip over what seems to be an obvious step. It is even understandable as 150 years ago, condoms WERE reused! So, if they were not told that the condoms they were given were disposable--how, would they know to dispose of them after every use?? And even if they were told--they wouldn't. They would reuse them until they broke. Or until someone explained to them WHY the MUST be thrown out after one use!!!
Especially on an island where 30% of the people have HIV/AIDS, and there is one prostitute on their island!
Prevention is a better plan. Having children at a young age is difficult in western countries let alone a poor country.
Do you think the US government could care about the citizens who pay dearly for it? Once we're taken care of, by all means, help everyone else in the world.
I will forever love Vice
So will i
How so they want abortion in Africa to kill our babies
Thanks and praises to our father up in heaven blessed be all Africa all its people .
Yes, blessed be the starving, suffering masses.
It's tragic today why there's hardly any preteen care regarding abstinence, self-esteem, future planing, education before pregnancy.