The Secret Power of Homeschoolers
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2022
- Homeschooling exploded when the COVID-19 pandemic pushed students online. But even though schools have reopened, many kids aren’t going back. VICE News investigates why families are opting out, and what happens to the institution of public school when people abandon it.
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If you have 40-200 kids, it's not a homeschool, it's just another for-profit private school.
And profits are bad because feelings!
@@toxictroll7843 If their for-profit education centers are so good, why do they need to resort to telling blatant lies, myths, conspiracies, and other deceptive lobbying against public schools to sway opinions and enable it? For-profit education is not a school; it's a business. The lobbying and lies against public schools is nothing more than a cash-grab by concerned parties (for-profit school business owners) looking to get some of that government cash that goes to public schools while still charging enormous tuition to students and parents. It also tends to be the same folks who hypocritically whine about handouts. Feel free to keep hypocritically voting against your own interests.
The hypocrisy went over his head
@@toxictroll7843 You have an appropriate username. The privatization of public services is bad beyond feelings.
@@2011blueman Except when they provide a more competent and better quality service. Sure, go ahead and leave that out.
It's not homeschooling if you just make another school. There are many reasons to homeschool your kids, but letting people without any credentials become teachers doesn't sound like a great idea.
The public school system is bad, but this is not the solution
What credentials do parents need to home school to begin with?
Many people in the system barely have credentials. It’s just bad all over in America.
It actually setup a space for predators.
@@macbaryum you don’t need to have any official credentials but it would be better if you studied education itself, the many philosophers and theories that span hundreds of years. Just buy a book on pedagogy. It would help for you to at least identify 1. The purpose of education 2. Whether subjects are taught individually or in an integrated manner 3. What type of learner your child is. 4. If there are areas like the arts or language you will need to find a tutor in..
My Mom homeschooled me due to the fact that I had a learning Disability and the Public Schools didn't want to take the time to properly teach me,so they tried to sweep me under the Rug and pretend I didn't exist until she pulled me out and Taught me herself. I loved it! I was able to get the one on one teaching I NEEDED,I did other programs with other homeschooled children who later became my friends twice a week,I began to excel once we found a method that actually worked for me. I was always and will always be so grateful to my Parents for doing what they did,I wouldn't have changed a thing. I'm in my early 30's now,I graduated College,became a Welder for 3 years,a warehouse manager for 2,a CNA for 2 and now run my own Business. Homeschool is such an amazing tool for your child if done RIGHT.
Oh my. If the above writing is an example of homeschool learning, that is scary. The strange capitalizations and odd, constant commas… If that qualifies one to even graduate from high school, that is a problem.
@@gamtngirl3655 You're pain fuels me
Wow Kelsey, you are like my own daughter in the future….. her story parallels yours a great deal. She did return to public school in high school once she knew how to teach herself. She is now a pipe welder at a big shipyard. She graduated from tech school in a year and a half and is 19 years old, living 100% on her own, debt free and her biggest worry is how bad taxes are going to kick her butt next year. Kudos to you and your Parents (😜).
@@stellabella6839 Good to hear she's handling herself well and found a method that works for her!
@@gamtngirl3655 Is this your first time reading something on the internet? Good grief, Kelsey's writing leaves most people's in the dust, even those without a learning disability! And the graduates of public school? Nowhere to go but up from them. Anyway, your comment is snotty and seems to value style over substance. Seems to me that Kelsey, and her parents, should be proud.
I was a public school teacher who resigned and took early retirement to stay home and homeschool. Our secret power is knowing there's more to life than the robotic nonsense of the traditional classroom.
I have spent so many hours and years of my life learning things I can find on Wikipedia, and so little time learning things I'm just barely finding out about: Investing, mortgage payments, insurance, business, taxes, royalties, which could have saved me so much financial heartache and tens of thousands of dollars if I knew more about it. And there is so much more they SHOULD have taught me to prepare for life. I regret having spent so much time of my life studying something from a book, internships, group projects with students who didn't cooperate, remembering facts until the test, then forgetting most of them afterwards, and getting grades (not money) for all my hard work. So yeah, we're homeschooling. Public school is 80% babysitting service. And it doesn't have much to do with politics, although the strict ridiculous COVID regulations definitely confirmed my conviction. And no, I'm not republican or democrat. I see myself as a critical thinker, and I want the same for my kids.
I quit teaching after 10 years to homeschool. My kids are all adults. Best decision I ever made.
@@VincentNoot Sorry, but this argument sounds completely stupid. I don't typically agree with the comments people make about "OMG public school didn't teach me how to do my taxes, so therefore public school isn't useful," or anything along those lines. Finance, for example, is a natural extension or application of middle school-level mathematics. You can't expect to be taught literally everything, you need to develop your own critical thinking and problem solving skills, which is generically what an education is supposed to do.
This sounds like the rhetoric online that everyone can/should become an entrepreneur because you'll make a boat load of $$$. You'd completely get rid of all the scientists, engineers, chemists, doctors that keep our world running as it stands.
Sorry you don't feel like your time in academia was worth it, but don't destroy your children's' and grandchildren's' lives over your poor experience
I wish they had highlighted the many people who homeschool for non-religious and non-political reasons. There are a lot of us out there. My kids are awesome people. I enjoy spending time with them and allowing them the freedom to learn based on their interests and in a way they respond best. Sometimes homeschooling isn’t about making any religious or political statement; it’s about loving your children and desiring them to reach their best potential.
Most are Religious anyways and they aren't wrong for homeschooling. The Public school system itself has been lest education, more indoctrination nowadays.
But what if your kids wants to go to an actual school?? Here is where you are honest with yourself, is this a thing your kid wants or is it something you pushed into him?
@@santiagocedillo5025 Doubtful nowadays as governments try to ban homeschooling.
@@silverhawkscape2677 No one said they're wrong for it. But if we're talking about indoctrination... Most religion is literally indoctrination. "The process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically." Religious people often want to keep other ways of thinking away from their children. That's part of the toxic cycle of indoctrination.
I personally would homeschool for the simple fact that education in this country is subpar due to it's underfunding. When I went to school all of our books were at least 10 years old and falling apart. I'd also put my child in homeschool because people, like the ones in this video, are constantly undermining the school systems making them worse, thus regressing a child's ability to learn properly. It's a vicious cycle of underfunding, people going "see our school systems doesn't work" and then greater underfunding.
Edit: not to mention bullying runs rampant in our schools and they're ill equipped to deal with it properly.
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong…
@@CaptainSkeletor that is the second greatest trick the devil ever played! Public schools do have problems - the solution is not burning it completely down for homeschooling
The Dunning Kruger effect in a nutshell
@@CornOnDeCobb boy you're incorrect on so many levels. Homeschooling is home indoctrination and will only leave to mentally and emotionally stunted future adults because their parents were NOT by any means qualified to teach their kids a damn thing. I'm talking about Tammy Jo Sue and Bob-Todd teaching little Cletus all sorts of backwater Floridian bullsh*t.
@@CornOnDeCobb the devil doesn't exist. You're mental
@@CornOnDeCobb The devil? lol.... 🤡🤡
I was “unschooled” as a kid, which is an extreme form of homeschooling where I was allowed to do literally whatever I wanted every day with no curriculum of any kind.
My parents chose this just because we lived in the country far from school, not for any religious reasons.
It sounds like a crazy way to do school, but what I realized once I got to college (and got a 4.0 gpa my very first semester) is that going to a traditional school is really not important for academic success. Same once I entered the workforce and realized that being able to read and learn things on your own, think logically and creatively, and be resourceful are much more important. 10 years later and I’m happily married with kids, living a pretty typical life.
What I’m trying to say, I guess, is that there is no right or wrong way to do school. I think that parents and the support they give to their kids is way more important, whether the kids are going to school or staying at home
Yes, I had something similar and did very well in high school and college as a result. I think the structure of school can be both damaging and enlightening depending on the child and the support of the parents. People should just be allowed to follow their intuition and do what is right for their kid.
My children are being unschooled too
@@supremeinnerstanding8472 shut the hell up
the system your parents employed clearly wouldn’t work for most people either..
@@aaAa-vq1bd ...particularly in the current day and age. The majority of kids would just spend all day on TikTok. There would still need to be a lot of guidance and restrictions for this to work well.
I was homeschooled for a few years and skipped a grade and finished in public school. It's crazy how much better you can learn with homeschool. Most of my cousins were homeschooled and they all have university degrees and are insanely interesting as they have a huge capacity for critical thought. Religion aside, it is not hard for homeschool to be superior academically.
Yes so true I have seen that with a lot of homeschooled kids they are way ahead of the average
That's all good if the parents are intelligent.
@@funnyguy8728 if they went to public school, they probably aren't. LMAO.
very true
Thanks for sharing!
I am a homeschooling parent. Not all homeschoolers are as politically driven as some of these people being interviewed. In fact, I wish it wasn’t portrayed as such a political weapon rather than a powerful tool in a child’s education. Homeschoolers can learn and move through curriculum at their own pace. They normally excel because they don’t have to compete with a large classroom for individualized instruction that fits their academic needs. I also love that I can teach my children more about their culture. At the same time I think it can be a disservice for the ones who pull their kids and decide to not teach them about other cultures all in the name of “CRT” (which is not taught in schools k-12 btw). Homeschooling is a powerful tool and as mentioned I will fight for my right to homeschool because I know that it is what is best for my children. But I don’t have the same reasons as some of these people. It actually makes me annoyed to hear these people pushing their political agendas on to these children. In my homeschool I teach my children. As they grow older and learn about politics they can decide their own political stance.
This documentary is a joke and completely one sided. I’d love them to interview a muslim, or a witch, or any secular homeschooler, they’d get a completely different answer, and there are just as many of them as there are those of faith! 😖
There’s so many homeschooled kids that I’ve met that are so much more responsible, polite, and knowledgeable than kids who are in public school. Actually, when living on a military base, all the kids that I met who were homeschooled were better behaved than those in public schools. This is coming from someone who has her daughter in public school.
It's Vice.
@AppleScab (Venturia inaequalis
) what is the issue with CRT? What’s the problem with teaching history as it happened and not glossing over the facts?
My sentiments exactly. Well said 👏👏. This documentary is a mess.
I think a lot of patents who had to help their kids with virtual learning during the pandemic realized they are capable of homeschooling. I think it's important to realize people pulling their kids out of public school is a symptom that public education in the USA is seriously flawed.
EXACTLY.! But yet they want to blame politic .! So out of touch with normal every day ppl .
You have a point, but unfortunately there is sinister motives at play. Conservatives have been sabotaging and hamstringing the public education system for decades. Now that it's broken, they seek to benefit by creating an entire generation of homeschool kids taught to not think critically
@@matthewarnold4557 I get what you're saying, but parents aren't going to leave their kid in a bad system to prove a point. Also, I sure as heck didn't learn to think critically in the public school system lol.
@@mrsmax3071 same. I didn't even learn grammar until I taught it to myself in high-school. And luckily once they did school choice things got better but it took atleast 10 years. Now public school seems even more distracting
@@dorianalexander2730 C'mon, dude. Don't make up stories to prove a point.
Nobody believes you didn't receive lessons in grammar before high school.
The teacher who almost started crying earlier in her interview and then started crying about not being able to buy her personal books, shows how stressed out teachers are and how broken this system is. I am worry about the mental health of public school teachers, if this is what comes out during an interview about being a public school teacher.
Maybe, taking kids out of the home, away from their families, maybe taking parents away from their children to be raised by others isn't a great system. We took a potential great thing and used it and abused it. Public education was never supposed to replace the family, it was supposed to help it.
I'm frustrated by the way this was framed. Do you know how much money is lost to families who homeschool? They do not stop paying taxes to the school system. All books, and all curriculum has to be bought by the family. The potential for an entire income is lost. Please stop framing it as if homeschool families are taking something away financial from the system. They're not. Homeschooling puts them at a great financial disadvantage. but apparently, it's worth it.
You are a hell of a lot smarter than the vice journalist who did th story!
I'm curious what books that teacher bought for her students.
Whole heartedly agree, especially on your 3rd paragraph !
Teachers buying for their class, I hope, is just their personal choice.
@@JEANEREANO Many teachers buy things for their class.
@@quotidian5077 I understand that. I'm saying it's a choice and nothing to cry about.
I was homeschooled up to high school because I lived in a terrible area. The schools were violent, even in the younger grades, and weren’t a great learning environment. From a social standpoint, I hated it, but I got to high school and felt way ahead of my peers. Also, it should be said my mom had to get her GED. She didn’t do well in school but she followed the curriculum and used videos as well as other teachers to give me the education opportunities she didn’t have.
i just realized (currently preparing for finals and out of lockdown) that there is no way I could have learned nearly as much if I had been taught by myself or my parents.
@@hicrhodushicsalta4382 That’s great for you. I tutor kids that are behind the expected reading level in under-resourced schools and can assure you that not every student can say the same. Once I got to high school and left homeschooling, I was on the Dean’s List every year, graduated with honors, and was accepted into every college I applied to. So I can definitely say in my case homeschooling didn’t hold me back academically and actually helped me since I didn’t have access to a great elementary/middle school education.
@@kensier4955 I taught in public high schools for over a decade. It was the homeschooled students that came into high school that made me see how well homeschooled worked. So I quit my teaching job and sacrificed to homeschool my kids.
I was homeschooled, but my mother is a qualified educator. She was/is a teacher, a curriculum developer and was a deputy superintendent.
We got an education that was almost on par with standard public school. So by the time we transitioned to public high school, we were able to just slide right on in
B U T
She never homeschooled us for a political/religious/conspiratorial reason
It was simply because the school on the Reservation I grew up on didn't have quality education. She got sick of the GENUINE educational neglect, and decided to take things into her own hands
These guys aren't even educated themselves 🤣
Thats my kind of my issues too doesn't seem like they are worried about the school part just politics
good thing the GED is Really easy to pass
Good for you but parents do have a choice and homeschool for many reasons are you saying the government or higher powers should mandate to parents what correct reasons they choose to
Homeschool their kids and if it’s acceptable and the government believes them that said reason it the “right” reason it would be ok
@@greensorrel6860 as a lot of people say. There do need to be regulations or standards of some kind
Home schooling is still education, and education in my opinion. Needs a standardization in some capacity.
The only reason I was able to seemlessly enter public school, WAS because my mother kept with the education standards. Because she knew that if she didn't, the gap would be too much
ALSO.
The ab*s3 angle is a legitimate concern as well. School Teachers and councilors are mandatory reporters (even if students fall through the cracks, this is still the requirement to become State educators), and if parents can't even hold themselves accountable. WHY ARE YOU EVEN PARENTS
So yes
The Government should still have a slight say in how Home Schooling should be managed.
Otherwise you really are enabling ab*s3s to occur, even if you'd be willing to turn a blind eye to things like psychological and emotional ab*s3 because they're "not real"
The reason that many of these people are homeschooling is because they believe that many of these public schools are indoctrinating their kids (which some are ) in the LGBT trans agenda that t ey as Christians don't agree with SOOO they divide to choose to leave that is there choice and a choice i support
You do understand these homeschooling parents are using curriculum made by top professionals in their areas? Everything is laid out, from pages to read, discussions, questions to ask and worksheets. Homeschoolers statistically do well. There's a reason for this.
There needs to be 10 year follow up video on these kids to see how they fared post-home school. I have a feeling it won’t turn out all that well. Most in this video are being home schooled for all the wrong reasons. If you have a good reason, it will stand up to criticism rather than retreating to their bubble.
It would be interesting to see. I’m very confused why so many homeschoolers are evangelical Christian’s? I’m for homeschooling but I’m not a devout Christian. Interesting.
What if there’s a legitimately good reason (say the child’s reading or math skills are a grade or two above order kids their age and thrive with a customized curriculum) _AND_ the parents are far-right Christian nationalists who mainly wish to cut their children from all outside influence?
Amen. I have a friend who just took her son out of school for the wrong reasons.
She was worried about CRT and the "lgbt mafia", she says.
Now shes giving her son an inadequate education at home, and a drastically different level of interaction with kids now that hes stuck at home.
I feel so bad.
He liked school, and now hes pulled away for nothing
Lets take a look at baltimore schools where entire classes get a GPA below 1. You literally CANNOT do worse than major city public schools in America. Its impossible.
@@miketyson9540 the point is the homeschool parents who take their kids out for reasons that are honestly delusions, not ab their education . these are not inner city kids
“Play is a child’s work.” This is what we live by. Ironically, I began homeschooling just prior to the pandemic. It was due to my then 6 year old finding it impossible to adapt, and feel safe in the charter school chaos. He was anxious, and learning nothing. His behavior at home began to decline. The teacher he began with left for maternity leave, never returning. Replaced by a revolving door of substitutes that were not accustomed to younger students. The lack of consistency was counterintuitive. Then there was the long day, removal of outside recess as a means of discipline. The list goes on. His poor teacher would often get back to us at 11pm claiming to have just gotten home from school that late in the evening. My infant at the time got sick and hospitalized from the constant illnesses that my older child was carrying home too. We do know that there are detrimental effects of masking the faces of young children in terms of language, psychological, and emotional development. With very little proof of efficacy. As soon as these masked kids would settle to eat lunch, the masks are removed lol. It’s such nonsense. We don’t homeschool due to that or politics/religion. We homeschool because my child learns best when he feels safe, and when the curriculum can be tailored for his specific learning style. Once he was recovered from the trauma of his conventional school experienced, I could not have beenï prouder of how beautifully he has acclimated. He is mature, responsible, takes accountability, is kind, and he reads constantly for enjoyment. I think homeschooled kids are going go change their generations future.
There are a lot of comments about the positive and wholesome homeschooling experiences that people have had in their lives. That is truly wonderful, but it's not the story for everyone.
My best friend was homeschooled by her parents until she renrolled in high school. She was overwhelmed and struggled immensely in high school and the "real" world outside of her home. She was raised in a very isolated environment with parents who barely knew math, science, or grammar, and when she finally joined public school, she struggled immensely just to keep up and had to relearn almost everything on her own. She wasn't the only former homeschool kid I knew in high school who faced a lot of issues. Although not all of them struggled, most had emotional, social, and academic problems that followed them into college and beyond. I think it's important to remember that while most of the parents in this video are bright and responsible people that provide ample, positive education for their children, there are also many homeschool parents who lack education and awareness and are not actually capable of providing a proper and applicable education to their children. Unrestricted and unregulated homeschooling can give some parents the ability to isolate and control their children, causing only harm and doing minimal good.
Not to mention the fact that here in rural Indiana, the majority of homeschoolers are indoctrinated hardcore into Christianity, which isn't inherently bad, but, again, it can cause a lot of awful and traumatizing issues when they finally leave home and go to college, get a job, and start socializing with people who are different from them.
I can definitely understand the appeal of homeschooling, especially nowadays, but it is also far from a perfect system. Oversight and protections are needed for homeschool kids, too.
Most people I went to public school with in California had the same struggles once they hit the 'real world' and had to get a job. Hopelessly unskilled and lazy.
@@sdr6541I was just going to say the same thing. All of the issues the first person listed for home schoolers, public school children also have...
You have to take into consideration that many people start homeschooling their children in elementary school because of learning disabilities or simply neruodivergent tendencies that the school could not handle. It's unfortunately increasingly common these days. This isn't necessarily a product of homeschooling as much as it's a product of our modern environment. These children would struggle whether in public school or not.
Yeah most of the HS'rs I know are incrediably niave and isolated. That is the real point of home schooling.
@@jeffsmith9420 Most people I know who went through public school received most of their life-long trauma from the public school system - bullying, 'dumbing themselves down' to avoid bullying, having their passion for literature or math or science drilled out of them by teachers and standardized tests, getting in with really bad crowds because of the forced socialization with virtually no adult presence... But yea, for sure, some home schooling is bad too. (The ones in this video don't exactly feel like they'll be bringing home any social trophies that will let them interact well with others). There are no great answers, which is why we can't be forcing people into one model or the other.. 'cause they both have their potential faults and parents have to make that hard choice, and they / their families have to live with the consequences..
As a homeschool alum, homeschooling *can* be great. It *can* be very helpful for a lot of children. But the reality is that a significant number of parents neglect their children's education and/or use homeschooling as an excuse to control and abuse their children. None of my siblings (myself included) received an adequate education and those still under 18 live in a high-control environment with little freedom.
Sad to hear that was your experience. I was homeschooled through 7th grade. 8th and freshman year were catholic school. Then Sophomore through college was public. Even though I and my siblings were living in a household with domestic abuse, the actual schooling from homeschooling put us way ahead of our peers in terms of academics.
When we switched to other forms of schooling, we realized none of the other kids knew Latin or anything about the important Roman heroes who continue to influence all democracy to today, let alone how ahead we were in math, science, history, and other subjects.
Plus regular schools really do act as prisons, using the exact same techniques. Which is somewhat understandable given that in any given regular school, some of those kids are going to grow up to be rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and all the other evil things. One guy I went to high school with, grew up and later murdered his own son in cold blood.
None of my siblings whom I homeschooled with have done any of that.
@@ColinTherac117 Umm, the notorious serial killer Israel Keyes was homeschooled… the homeschooled Olympic Park bomber, terrorist Eric Rudolph would disagree… Charles Carl Roberts broke into an Amish school and shot 5 girls… All the homeschooled murderers would probably disagree…. John Timothy Singer, Robert Holguin, David Ludwig, Matthew Murray, Couty Alexander, Christopher Gribble, Joseph Hall, Brandon Warren, Cylena Crawford… I could go on…..
theyre all whites kekw
How do you bold letters? Copy and paste?
@@auston911 im pretty sure you put ** and the word between them *like this*
I have no problem with homeschooling. I do have a problem with people who don’t know anything about education, child development and psychology, teaching their children. These people seem more concerned about their own political views and making sure their children are shielded from the reality of the world than making sure their kids get a quality education. In turn, doing the exact same thing they’re so worried about: indoctrinating their children.
Wearing a mask was considered the "deal breaker" for staying in public school. Surgeons will have operations that take 6 to 8 hours, they wear a mask the entire time, and they don't suffer brain damage. It doesn't make sense that these irrational parents are so opposed to masks, but I guess that's part of being "irrational".
"Indoctrination" came to my mind as well. Narcissistic tendencies are ravaging this nation and it’s youth. It’s an ongoing spirit crusher…
I don't agree as they are those parents' children so they can decide (as long as they don't breach the criminal law of course)
When homeschooling economics means a shopping trip to the mall. Nothing else.
You don’t need to have any of the credentials you mentioned in order to teach, especially your own children. Why do homeschoolers out perform their peers and why do colleges prefer homeschooled kids? The data does not support your objection.
It seems you just don’t appreciate the state not being able to indoctrinate kids instead of the parents. Kids are gonna learn from someone, I want my kids to learn from me rather than someone else.
For years Before the pandemic I ran a homeschool gardening / nature school from my home with an amazing small group of home birthing, freethinking, caring parents. This video is a different angle on homeschooling very politically/ religiously driven. I was a public school teacher for over 10 years but working with the hippy dippy freethinking, life living, family and nature oriented homeschool community changed my life . In my mind that is “homeschool”.
I would have loved to be a part of that type of homeschooling community. Happy to put my to be kids in your group. I hope when we get there that something like this is available
It can be both. I know lots of religious families that home birth, garden, and are all around very crunchy. I hate the divisiveness portrayed not only in the "documentary" but also in the comments. As if this set of people in this category are "bad" or wrong and this set of people is okay.
This is EXACTLY what I want for my children I feel like homeschool is fine but I still want socializing for them too
did u not watch the video?
@@chloegrobler4275 I watched it and I thought this was the most deceptive take on education I have ever seen. I also taught public high school and quit to teach my own kids and this video is just insidious. It is just so off.
My mother, a self taught everything under the sun, homeschooled my four brothers, one sister and myself. We are in our 30's now, have achieved success, went to ivy league universities, but most importantly we are sharing the gift of being homeschooled with our own children and it's amazing. I'm not saying it is easy. Nothing worth achieving ever is, but as your child grows, so do you.
I have two sons, one in his early 30s and one in his early twenties. Both of them were home schooled for part of their education but not all of it. It was because I live in rural Virginia and the schools are much more regressive than the schools in Seattle where I moved from. There were a lot of discipline problems when my older son was in school, so he did middle school homeschooled and then went back to school for high school. My younger son is on the autism spectrum so I pulled him out after 6th grade and he finished school homeschooled. It was their choice, we did secular homeschooling, we did a lot of co-ops so they were around other children and I saw a lot of things that scared me. In the state where I live you can declare homeschooling for religious reasons and never have to show a test result. I saw kids that were woefully ignorant of common knowledge and I also saw two different occasions of abusers who didn't want their kids in school because counselors were asking too many questions. I think it's disgusting how children's education has been co-opted by the fear mongerers. at the very least someone who's homeschooling should have to test their child and they should have to pass a basic test for knowledge for their age.
Sadly it happens a lot, I mean the sad part of this is if you learn about homeschooling history the biggest reason why it started was for religious reasons. But a lot of these very religious reasons aren't hide abuses and to literally miseducate. Like some of the homeschool religious versions of science are literally a joke. It isn't to say that alternative education like homeschooling is that radical or bad but yes a lot of people use it for means to hide abuse. This is why it needs to be regulated you shouldn't just be allowed to educate your kid without some requirements like testing, it actually should be set up like you have an IEP since you had a child that was on the spectrum I'm sure you're familiar with what an IEP is. But children should have to go through testing of their IQ, a psychological evaluation. Every couple of years 2 to 4 in homeschooling. In general I think IEPs are quite important to anyone. And when I was in school I had an IEP because I had a learning disorder. They should also have home visits. I also think some basic homeschool education and parenting education should be required. I don't think you have to be in the same equivalent location as a teacher.
Another thing that happens a lot is parents will take their kids out to school thinking it might make their mental health better like I've seen a lot of kids that were bullied, by peers so the parents thought this was the best decision and sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't because it might not be actually treating the issues they have even if it is well meaning.
But I also think that honestly, if it were me I'd prefer a hybrid I would still do homeschooling when the kids were not in school. And for some reason so many people are opposed to a secularized education, secularized education doesn't teach you what to believe it just teaches you facts and to think about things. They just have this view that secularized education is brainwashing. When it's really the other way around.
@@KCH55 a hybrid of both sounds like a great idea. Kids go to school 2-3 days a week, and the rest is taught at home
Quite a culture shock from Seattle to Virginia. I think in Seattle we took for granted how good pur schools have always been but sadly...alot of the country is just ass backwards and always has been.
And they are less intelligent than their peers ...
@@ssonationsports7064 sadly that would require an overhaul of the work week and employment practices to prioritize kids. I wish I believed that was likely...
it’s crazy how some of these parents say they homeschool their kids to prevent them from being indoctrinated while indoctrinating their kids.
at least in public schools you’re learning about topics from multiple different perspectives and lenses due to all the different teachers and peers you have surrounding you. each year you get different teachers with different beliefs and you meet new people from different upbringings who offer you a new perspective that allows you to form your own perspective about things.
Yeah they learn great values like, white people are racist, cops are bad and it's okay to use drugs. Sorry my kids will pass.
They're not okay with diversity let alone diversity of thought
The term indoctrination is a matter of perspective
They only want their kids to learn from The Wholey Book.
Self awareness, introspective critical thinking, and putting oneself in the shoes of the “opposition”, are literally some of the most difficult skills for humans. Particularly for people who believe firmly in individualism and oppose the idea of communal responsibility. It leads to obvious contradictions, unseen by the person because there’s no honest self reflection. I suppose it’s the cost -!: product of reactionary, emotion, and dogma based ideology.
The irony of absolute self reliance, is that it often results in falling victim to the dangers it seeks to avoid. A self manifesting wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I was homeschooled from K-8, and though this shows some aspects of the homeschool community I think it’s missing a lot. We had a large group of homeschoolers in my area who were generally leftist or centrist, and made up of people who didn’t believe the academics in public school were strong enough. There are MANY people that homeschool that come from the left, not just right wing extremists. Where I currently live in Oregon, most homeschoolers are the nature loving hippie types!
People homeschool for so many reasons, and a lot of time there is a great community involved. This video shows such a narrow part of homeschool.
I want to point out that many of these programs that look like really good “homeschooling” programs are really closer to a camp than traditional homeschooling. In fact with all the kids walking around in a building with backpacks, learning from people who aren’t their parents, it almost looks like a school.
Point is maybe what we need more so is large scale reform in our educational system, rather than homeschooling. The problem isn’t necessarily schools, it’s that our education system sucks. Which is nothing new, yet for some reason it’s focused more on “school vs homeschoolers” rather than “traditional schooling vs reformed schooling”.
I agree.
a common sense arguement.
The issue is that too much money has been given to the board of education, curriculum creators and people who write books for schools. It's not based on the children's needs, but how to spend the most money keeping capitalism afloat, just like we do with farms, and war profiteers, banks, big oil, big pharma, etc etc etc
"He doesn't have a background in education"
Wow! SHOCKER!
I mean, this doesnt look like home schooling to me. This just looks like an alternative school.
The like education. But worse and totally devoid of public accountability
@@Praisethesunson so... A "Charter school" basically.
@@stevechance150 Almost. Charter schools are also a deliberate theft of public tax revenue into corporate hands. Since they can be a short term profit extractors.
@@Praisethesunson they don't like being told what to do, but like telling people what to do...
@@stevechance150 no. stop asking stupid ass questions like this
In the 90’s the homeschooling critics said, “We can’t let family’s homeschool because children can’t learn of they don’t have a certified teacher. They won’t get a decent education like in the public system.” Now that homeschoolers have been kicking the intellectual rear ends of their public school peers for many years, the new excuse is, “It’s unfair that some kids can homeschool because they get one on one attention. Of course they’re going to perform better!” Lol, make up your minds.
Well said
Or, now, they say: "You're privileged!"
How much of that is really due to homeschooling though? Homeschooled children are from relatively wealthier families in general. Children from wealthier families perform better in school since their physical needs (food, shelter, clothing) will be guaranteed to be met and parents invest in the kids’ education more by being more involved in their learning.
@@trawrtster6097 nah, rich go to private school.
The NHES 2003 found that homeschooled students were as likely as other students to be poor and more likely to be near-poor.
@@trawrtster6097yeah dude, I have never met a rich home schooled kid. Home schooling takes a lot of sacrifice. My mom quit her 9-5 and cleaned houses instead to home school me. We were very poor. She had 5 kids and she was not going to let us be illiterate, which was happening. In that time I met many home schoolers and most were poor, but their parents cared about their education enough to make sacrifices.
I think homeschool is a great power that parents have. They can use it to offset failing public schools. Especially now with modern technologies.
I was homeschooled till grade 6, and it was amazing. I would be done my schoolwork by noon, and be outside playing till dinner every day. We had 3 month long summers because we were able to finish our semesters early, due to there being 3 kids for 1 teacher instead of 30 kids.
We've expressed interest about homeschooling our kids to friends and family, reason being that we could give them a similar upbringing, not be tied down to a rigid schedule, or one place.
But most of the people we've told get excited and start talking about how 'the world is getting so crazy nowadays', and I know they're excited because of the same reasons the people in this documentary have.
Makes me feel gross knowing these people think I share their delusions about conspiracies and religious fervor, I just want my family to have a rad life
VICE purposely attempts to paint all right-wingers as if they're the fringes. I notice that they didn't include any of the public school teachers who want to teach gender and sex to elementary school kids. They show right-wing nutjobs but not left-wing nutjobs, the implication being that the nutjobs represent the average right-winger.
VICE has always been very left-wing. But the past year they've been trying to pretend to be reasonable. They actually HAVE gotten much more reasonable compared to what they used to be. But now the attacks are more subtle.
I know a bunch of homeschooling parents and none of them are conspiracy theorists. Many are certainly religious but I'd argue that a structured moral education is a good thing. I've never met a homeschooling parent that taught crazy radical religious thought to their children. And I've only seen a few on lefty videos so I'm guessing there aren't that many in total. Most are much like you I'd wager.
I was also homeschooled in a similar way, and I remember there being two very different homeschool groups in my area. There was the christian based homeschoolers, then the non-religious group that my mom had to start due to not liking the values of the other one. But there were so many more of the christian homeschoolers and it felt like we were fighting against all the stereotypes that were so terrible.
homeschool kids smell like pee and rain water
How about you say it to their face. Does being so cowardly and two-faced make you "feel gross" too?
Probably shouldnt trust VICE reporting to much.
I was homeschooled in Texas but both of my parents are college educated. I used to work with my mom and then I started taking classes with other homeschoolers once a week. Honestly, it was like a college. I loved it and wouldn’t have changed it for anything. I graduated from college, moved abroad, and now speak three languages. I was educated but I certainly know other “homeschoolers” that didn’t actually study. Politics don’t belong in the education system and I truly believe that more people would stay if they believed that.
Politics don't belong in school but politics meaning what deserves tax money like roads or buildings, not if we should ignore the segregation happened or that different types of people exist in the world. 🙏 I'm glad that you got out okay and I worry about these children that are in what basically can be described as cults nowadays. So scary.
I know people who went to public/private school and didn't study either. The schools pushed them through just to get rid of them.
@@jj-bv3ui "I'm glad you got out okay..."
Dude. They loved it. Keep crying on how parents decide to have rights over there child's education.
@@renegadeace1735 At least with homeschooling, you only get pushed through when you are done.
These parents are not leaving because they want politics outside of school. The are leaving because they want to implement their own right wing politics
I was recently asked to teach some home schooled kids. My background is biology. I charge 30/hr. Ive worked in the classroom and it's a mess. I don't blame anyone for wanting to homeschool their kid. I also don't blame any teacher for wanting to leave the classroom.
There’s a huge opportunity for traditional teachers to help educate homeschoolers for probably more than what they earned as teachers and it’s a lot less stressful because kids actually want to learn.
This really makes me proud. To see so many parents so passionate about their children’s education. Anyone who can, should homeschool.
I would say it's hard to call what this man has in the video homeschooling. It's more of an unofficial montesorri school. Straight up homeschooling where you keep your child at home is bad for kids in a lot of cases.
@Houseboat1 you don't understand homeschooling . Leave the prejudice and research about it. Ain't that hard
As a product of religious indoctrination via homeschooling, it’s too unregulated. It needs more oversight.
@@GravitySpace24601 Absolutely Not! Letting the government regulate home schooling is letting the polecat into the hen house.
@Hibatu Adam Yeah man I actually fo understand homeschooling. It is absolutely a detriment to your child's social life. I know some homeschool kids have homeschool groups they are apart of that meet some days of the week, but that does a shoddy job of recreating actually having to go out and spend hours a day in a classroom with other children.
Teachers should be paid as much as doctors and lawyers and respected as such in a modern society. With the same level of credential requirements.
Teachers are fundamentally important to our society and it sucks that they are so terribly treated.
Yep
I totally agree. And as a side note, when I moved to California from Massachusetts I was blown away at how bad public education was here. The more people I met and the more I learned, the more I realized teacher support was a big factor. Massachusetts has some of the best paid, most supported teachers in the country. And Massachusetts is usually in the top 5 best states for public education. But LA County teachers start as low as around $45,000/year, with a bachelor's degree and teaching certification, in a county where a studio apartment is like $2500/month.
Teacher support and school support makes a huge difference in student outcomes.
True! The problem being that a lot of conservatives hate public school teachers because they are told they teach their kids evil thing like evolution, anthopogenic climate change and a non euphemized version of history.
@@Am-wq4mp So what if you have doctors and teachers in your family?
Yep, but since that is not happening I am homeschooling.
If you can't teach your kids to be cautious without being fearful, that sounds like a YOU problem to me. my grandkids are cautious of covid but not fearful of people.
Your one anecdotal example doesnt mean anything
This has been happening for generations, people. Progressive education, a la Dewey, has been crippling children's capacity to think. Look at all the tribalists, here. What we see in schools are the latest symptoms of disease in pedagogical philosophy.
A nation dies when its youth are taught to hate their own history, heritage and culture.
Most homeschool parents I know are not like the ones portrayed in this video and are not fearful. The bigger problem is the dehumanizing of children and the institutionalization of schools to the point that they look identical to prisons.
@@lynford7 the educational system is in direct conflict with the natural instinct of humans to learn and explore on their own. In fact in most cases it extinguishes it. I think we share the same fundamental sense of horrific abuse of our kids for a convenience/mandate our own income can not object to.
I homeschool my youngest. I love our local schools. They were perfect for my oldest child, but my youngest thrives on their own schedule. Homeschooling, they do way more work, get great grades, and have finally started to come out of their room, join the family, play with friends more…it’s been amazing!
I homeschooled 5 children in the 90's and because of the closed schools in 2020, I volunteered to homeschool my grandson for Kindergarten. By the time we finished the school year he was reading at a second grade level, was familiar with the 50 states, learned about the stock market daily, and was creating simple video games with arcademaker. Now in 2nd grade his national scores for reading are at 99 he also gets an A for every subject. He can spell better than most adults. He saw me using software to create early reading books and decided to use it to create his own books. He published an adorable coloring book 2 weeks ago and has already sold over 40 of them. I didn't even have to teach him to use the software. He figured it out. One of the biggest advantages to homeschooling is the the teacher is usually a parent or grandparent and is completely emotionally invested in the welfare of the child.
Also one on one can never be a bad thing...personal attention at their individual level.
What software did you use to make the books?
Hey I’ll buy if he’s selling
@@alexandralove3406also wondering
As a child I was a shy kid with immigrant parents who did t speak English, i struggled and thought that I was stupid , the teachers and staff wouldn’t pay attention to me as much and would give me a little extra time teaching me . I asked but was ignored. As an adult I find that I wasn’t stupid but the environment I was in at school made hard for me to grow and made me even more shy at as a teenager. My choice to homeschool my girls at least for primary school was based on my experience. I want to make sure my girls grow on their pace and not feel discouraged but build confidence.
so, their situation is completely different than yours was? anyway, english speaking schools probably suck bad
I had the total opposite. As a kid teachers helped out the kids struggling. I was raised here in Los Angeles early 80s you had the influx of Central American kids coming into all the elementary schools and they needed a lot of help on top of the fact that they had seen so much devastation in their home countries and the language barrier so many teachers spent so many time and effort to bring them and equate them with our educational system. I remember all the second third and fourth grade we have new students all the time coming in. Sucks you didn't get the treatment of being helped out.
Don't stop if you can.
That "homeschooling conference" tells it all, the only black person other than Ben Carson who's a speaking invitee, is a black woman on an advertisement poster for "Florida moms"---I mean, it would be hilarious if we didn't already know that "homeschooling", is an after thought of the failed SEGREGATION ACADEMIES of the White Citizens' Councils..
I have no objection to whomever wishes to homeschool their kids, at their-own time and dime , however, if it's about the destruction of public schooling, then once again, all gloves are off....
You must be from the realm saying primary school what part of the Commonwealth you from?
To be fair, if your child is talented and is forced to go to a school where the children are aggressive and violent towards bright kids, it makes sense to homeschool where your child will be safe and not be hindered by the class
True
Totally agree. Kids can be so cruel to anyone different than the common denominator
It does indeed
I feel like A lot of parents who geew up in the 80s think this but today it’s not like that.
More reasons people homeschool:
They like spending time with their kids
Safety
Bullying
Food allergies or health concerns
Different learning needs
Failing reading scores
Failing math scores
So kids can have a childhood - bookwork like reading and math doesnt need to be more than 30 - 60 minutes in early elementary. Why not play, bake, read together, do sensory activities, go to the park, dance or listen to classical music, go to museums or the zoo, go swimming, do art projects... in the rest of the "school day"
Less worsheets/ busy work
Interest led learning
Time together with parents who work different shifts or are military, time together as a family so siblings actually know one another
Outdoor time
Increased movement
Family member has cancer and needs less germ exposure during treatment
Politics being pushed in schools
Faith
Behavioral issues of other students
Lost learning time
They realized public schools is an experiment that failed and are taking education back to basics to grow critical thinkers and not industrial workers or military as this system was set to create.
As a previous public school teacher I highly recommend people homeschool their children. Co-ops are great or tutors for areas a parent isnt strong in. Parents can team up with other parents depending on work schedules. Also, there are curriculums that are totally scripted so you dont need an education degree to teach. Examples: all about reading for phonics, math with confidenxe for math... and there are cheap or free options (delightful mom on youtube shares great free resources).
All of the home schooling parents were so bright and vivid and proud and happy to be home schooling parents to be also teaching their children and others how to gain their power back ext. Meanwhile the teacher from public school setting broke down in tears, seems so stressed out and overwhelmed Over not being able to afford books. Who should we rather want to be teaching?
I agree and I saw that as a former teacher. What they wanted us to do was unrealistic. And I saw so many of my colleagues get disillusioned and loose faith that they could help their students. The teacher's lounge during lunch says it all--non stop complaining about money, administration, parents, and students. When my own kids started getting in trouble from teachers for having "too much energy." I was done. I knew that if that is what they were willing to say to me, that they were treating him badly and talking about him in the teacher lounge like he was garbage. I quit that year and started homeschooling my kids. Each year I ask my kids if they want to go back to school, and each year they beg me to keep homeschooling. Its just not a good situation. I no longer think public education should exist. I think that groups of local families could join together and pay for a teacher for their children or take turns teaching. The more bureaucracy, the less effective we were able to be as teachers. Now that I get to teach without red tape, it is incredible and my kids are years head of their "grade level."
Preach sista!!!
Not you! For somebody with such a keen inability to think critically, your children must be in academic hell.
maybe if your country funded school taht already exist properly they wouldnt be stresses out? i dunno.
Yeah fundy zealots are often like that.
Ah I have a lot to say on this! I was homeschooled in Montana my whole life without ever going to a school, I'm 34 now for context. I come from a large family and there are a lot of homeschoolers in my community who also have large families. Were predominantly a mix of protestant and Mormon faiths. Everyone's primary reason for homeschooling was religion. That said, some are more extreme the others. For instance; my family was super strict on some things, and very loose on others. All the homeschoolers in my area are self-employed as pastors, tradesmen, accountants, or farmers/ranchers.
There were two types of homeschoolers: the dedicated to education/spelling bee ones who typically go on to super successful lives post college, and the ones who skip college to enter the family business full time.
Many homeschoolers are enrolled at least part-time in their local community colleges by the time they're in high-school to help learn subjects their parents aren't qualified to teach. This means by the time they graduate high-school and transition to college, they're more prepared than the average private or public school student. Additionally, working with our families in business during childhood teaches us a lot of things many other kids wouldn't know - strong work ethics, practical knowledge of a trade, and a taste of what adulthood looks like.
Homeschooling can either be the greatest thing for a child because they can receive more time and training in school, putting them ahead of their public and private school peers, or it can be the worst thing if they are smothered with religion and don't receive even a basic education.
I'm an engineer, another sibling is an engineer, another sibling is a mathematician, others are working the family business, so my family has been very successful partially as a result of homeschooling, and partially because my parents were smart enough to keep religion out of our education. We all have multiple degrees and value learning.
The problem is with the mainstream homeschoolers who have crazy ideas about religion to the point of clinical insanity.
Homeschooling has perhaps the *greatest* potential amongst all the learning types because of the amount of time, attention, and creativity a parent or teacher can provide to the student. That said, many fall flat as a result of misguided faith and religion.
Also, I should note, my family was considered lower middle class, some families are near poverty level - for those saying only privlieged families can homeschool.
Agreed 👏
Also the highest risk it only works if the parents are smart
I have a question. Do you feel that you could have recieved the same level of education if you had gone to school, but had a part time working parent who spent the time you were home engaging your brain in more individualized material? I am also an Engineer and went to a rual public school. My husband and I are discussing with our current school climate and living in a city if homeschooling is the best option or not for everyone in our family.
You said it all
The non-religious homeschooled kids I've met have always been like little adults. They were super-well-adjusted, mature, creative, confident. . . I've never met kids home-schooled like the ones in this video, as far as I know. But it seems to me that the adults in this video are just replacing one religion (CRT) for another, with the added bonus of a hefty dose of paranoia.
I was homeschooled because my parents didn’t trust the quality of our local public school which was known for bullying and drug use. My mom is a qualified teacher and i really appreciate that she gave so much of her time for her kids, when other parents would understandably prefer to take back some of that free time back.
Did she also work?
I think same applies for public school, parents seem to want to just drop their kids off and have strangers raise them all day long, starting from day care and even birth for rich people who have careers. Those kids become particularly unstable adults usually.
@@bobby_digital9493 You're right about that. I'll never understand why people produce children just to dump them on others as much as they can. I was homeschooled until I started college classes at 16. I was the most socially and mentally well-adjusted student in my peer group. My peers, who mostly went to public school, were incredibly socially awkward, shy, and were too scared to take the initiative and venture outside of their comfort zones. I ended up being the leader in all of the on-campus ice breaker events. I also had to be the leader in any group projects, because no one wanted to do anything. It always amuses me that people believe that homeschoolers are the socially and mentally maladjusted ones, but in my experience, it has been the complete opposite. No one even knew that I was homeschooled until I mentioned it. I now have a 4 year old daughter and I will be homeschooling her in the fall. I am so excited to be spending one-on-one time with her and to be personally ensuring that she has a well-rounded and enriching education!
@@The-Oneness11 of course not.
It is an easy decision for my family. Home schooling takes far less time, it allows for creative experiences that likely won’t happen in a restricted environment, and home schooling teaches that learning is happening all the time (not restricted to a set time or place).
It does come at an intentional sacrifice of making less money. Totally worth it.
I was self educated; not homeschooled. Public middle school and high school was a joke; it was a punishment; it was a glorified day care for big kids; a place to learn how to do drugs and develop new pathologies. Elementary school was ok back in the 90s, but now it's very ideological. Kids in my district don't even call their teachers Mr. and Mrs. -- they call them by their first name. I don't think people realize how public school has changed since they were in school. They don't even teach phonics any more!!! Kids are graduating from hs that can't even read.
On top of this, all teachers are overworked and underpaid. It sounds cliche at this point, but it's just as important of a reality as the one you portray. When you blame schools, you also blame teachers. But teachers are victims as much as the students are. You have to see that at least
@@stretch1807 Agreed. I'm currently a teacher (this is my last year) and honestly? It is impossible to teach at most schools these days. There are too many kids in my classroom and about half of them are too demotivated to do good work. They only care about their grade, not growing their intellectual capacities. Teachers need less students and administrative baggage. My school had a clinic today for teachers who have less than 12 homework grades in their grade books-- attendance for this was mandatory. This "clinic" involves sitting down in a room with the principal and grading assignments. Incredibly infantilizing for supposedly educated professionals. There are so many problems in education. The culture around education seems incorrigibly broken. Staff is overworked. Students are badly-trained and disrespectful. Pay is okay at best and unconscionable at worst.
I can't imagine homeschooling my kid. On top of the fact I have a room temperature IQ and lack the qualifications, I'd also be depriving them of the social development of being around kids their own age.
So you didnt watch the video then? The kids that were homeschooled got to play outside with other kids and learn life skills. Derp.
Okay, the room temperature IQ absolutely had me howling 🤣 very relatable 🙋🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
It’s funny cause social development issues occur in public schools and they end up shooting the place, this argument doesn’t hold water anymore
Did you attend public school? 😂
jesus. another ignorant "i wouldn't home school my kid" person. the kids go to activities with other kids and participate in sports, also. typically, they only are homeschooled until high school, and they are tested periodically to make sure the homeschooler is doing their job
It’s frustrating that despite homeschooling offering a potential alternative to public schooling, they’ve just made a more sheltered version of summer camp that is wildly subject to the internal biases of their teachers. Honestly they’ve almost reinvented Montessori schools but instead of having highly educated teachers they have just regular people
"Regular People" have the right to decide what they teach their kids. Also, "Highly Educated" people are often the least intelligent among us. Appealing to Authority instead of directly vetting the people we choose to entrust our childrens mins with is incredibly dangerous, and, if history is any guide, usually results in worse outcomes overall.
@@loujohnson6631 Well anyone can teach a kid how addition works but if my kid wants to learn how chemistry works I'd like someone who has a degree in chemistry to teach them that, luckily schools have a built in way to vet people called the hiring process. The reason I call out "regular people" is because while they might be good to teach kids up to a certain point, in a private school setting they aren't held to the same standards as public schools which means that they have full liberty to project any idea onto the kids that they want. If I'm sending my kid to a school I dont want their teacher to have them pray before the lesson starts, public schools dont do that, but private schools can.
Now I'm not saying that parents shouldn't be informed about the curriculum of a school, after all thats what open houses and PT conferences are for, but often when people say that parents have a right to decide what is being taught to their kids it usually is a mask for something against trans kids or "the woke agenda"
@@loujohnson6631 What's more dangerous is a bunch of parents who think just because they know their kids, it also means they or some random anti-masker has the qualifications to teach high-school level history. Not saying that all homeschooling is bad, but the Dunning-Kruger effect is super evident here. Also, the generation Joshua group is appealing much more to authority than the public schools. It seems like the governments in those states are so pro-homeschooling because there are elements to the public school curriculum which is the same for all states, that is against their values so they want to keep the next generation stupid enough to vote for them. Even though these curriculum are from experts in their feild who spent their lives studying the subjects, they want you to think that the experts are the stupid ones and parents are the smart ones to keep kids stupid. Who do you think knows more about history? A historian who spent their lives researching history first hand and reading about it from a diverse set of sources, or a random guy who thinks CRT is bad because it makes them realize that their favorite political party was founded by creating policies that made marginalized people suffer. If you know only what your parents want you to know you're mind is closed to the world outside.
@@loujohnson6631 I think there is a deep distrust against government that is seeping into other aspects like schooling and healthcare. Regular people are starting to think they are smarter than professional people who are working in their fields.
Of course, public school system is degrading overtime, money are not being funneled into this core aspect of society. You can start looking at how much money teachers are getting paid for starter, there is no monetary incentive to attract good teachers. Public school serves a purpose to teach kids from all background, it's suppose to be fair, but it's slowly losing its function due to lack of care and funding. So parents with money and time can choose an alternative to public schools. While, parents who are full time workers will never have this luxury.
To say this is like a Montessori school without the “highly educated people” misleads people about Montessori. Montessori is based on structure and an extremely well prepared learning environment and materials. This doesn’t resemble the Montessori Philosophy simply because it incorporates outdoor play and some real world skills like fishing.
We did this 30 years ago… remember school only started a couple hundred years ago… one of our children got the deans medal another an engineer all have a wonderful sense of humor and far more friends than I see most people have.
I was homeschooled through Florida Virtual School. I liked the flexibility of my schedule and how it allowed other activities as well as being fully accredited. I was able to take a lot of AP classes and even opt-in for just taking AP tests in a subject I studies. I got credit for AP Spanish and AP Physics through that, while also spending significantly less time on the subjects than if I was in school for an hour a day for a year for the same thing. It allowed me to learn at my pace, which was relatively accelerated and I was able to then take the time I saved and even start working and learning skills as well as making money.
Florida doesn’t count
I was homeschooled and loved it and plan on doing it for my kids. I've done extraordinarily well for myself and experienced first hand the benefits of the flexibility/1:1 to accommodate my apd. But I want to make something clear: the real dangers of homeschooling are parents who homeschool for non-educational reasons (crt, religion, political). However, as far as education goes, if done right, it is arguably better because you get a more customized curriculum for that student needs/strengths/weaknesses.
The fact that you provide ZERO data for your argument proves you received a poor education. What were your standardized test scores, what universities were you accepted to, what do you currently do for a living? I have yet to met someone with a PhD or working in STEM who was homeschooled...
Standerized tests aren’t the example of a great education you think it is 😅😂😂
@@msp5138 standardized test scores and college doesn’t determine if you had a good education or not. There are hundreds of reasons why someone could have got bad test scores or didn’t go to college that have nothing to do with education. You sound very ignorant of the reality of the world.
@@msp5138 also btw having a PhD or working in STEM does not determine a good education.
Rich people home school but they don't teach their kids. They hire a tutor. This is very different form whatever in the hell Americans are being sold in Tennessee and Texas.
I feel like the homeschool outdoor school might not have the highest quality of lessons but as a teacher I still feel that the type of education that they offer with the mix of physical activities and learning would be benificial to quite a lot of students
School is torture for too many children, an outdoor education is great for kids mental health.
The whole system has always been divided. Rich people have always sent their kids to private schools to avoid under-performing and badly behaved poor kids. Religious people like Jewish, Catholics or Muslims have always sent their kids to their religious schools so their kids get educated based on their values.
Homeschooling can be risky, but really its just working class people doing what rich and religious people have always done.
Agreed I am disturbed by these comments I really believe that many here would want the government to mandate all education with children leaving parents with no rights in effect owning their kids. Maybe all the kids being drugged up because they can then sit at a desk all day or wait in a line without emotions will benefit greatly from this type of school
Me too! I think it would be better that their parents teach them math and reading at home (say, 3 hours of instruction) then they come to the “outdoor school” and play for another 3 hours!
@@Exsugarbabe1 couldn’t agree more!! Outdoor play based education is critical!!!
I will never have kids if I can't homeschool them. I was homeschooled for some time and it was absolutely amazing.
I love how vice tried to paint homeschoolers as crazy but the comment section is overwhelmingly in favor of home schooling
How strange that a documentary about a very organized lobbying group gets comments about how great homeschooling is, that surely happened completely naturally.
@@jeroenvantellingen5491 that’s fair lol
CA adventure academy has already closed....www.cde.ca.gov/SchoolDirectory/details?cdscode=45699716164867
It’s frightening
where did they try to paint them as crazy? she asked non pointed questions. I have no bias and it seemed very fair.
I was home schooled growing up in Canada up until grade 8. It was nothing like these conspiratorial nut jobs... it wasn't perfect, but we had curriculum, tests, grades, etc. This is just insanity...
Vice may be leaving parts out, not showing the entire information.
@@RocketmanRockyMatrix >> May?! Vice is on a tear of left-wing narratives lately.
@@RocketmanRockyMatrix >> May?! Vice is on a tear of left-wing narratives lately.
@@jaybee9269 They are a left wing media outlet. They are horribly one sided.
it's like that in the US, too, tough guy
All I needed to hear was in the first 3 minutes. "He doesn't have a background in education. He used to run an adventure tourism company..."
He's still smarter than you
I went to college and got an education degree in elementary education. Let me tell you, I really don't feel much smarter than I did going in. They taught all these old abscratrct concepts in education from old men from 100 years ago mostly. Things that really have no bearing on the modern child. The new tier of teachers is sadly going to be woefully under-performing in training our kids. I know, I have the experience to prove it.
Anyone who knows a subject can teach that subject as long as they are good at explaining things. This myth that you need to spend 4 years in college to teach someone something is perpetuated by the colleges looking to make a quick buck.
Why is it we can learn a musical instrument from someone with no degree, yet we are not capable of learning our ABC's from someone with no degree? Whats the difference?
@@nadias6435 Not really this is just a safe space for parents to place their kids.
@@R_A_3000 not necessarily. It could even be more dangerous. I bet wayyy more kids as a percentage get molested at homeschool than normal schools.
@@landonp629 education is a barrier of entry to prove that you cared enough to get that degree. A degree keeps grifters out of industries they don't need to be in like education
They are a powerful movement, because they are fighting for their kids well being. And nothing beats that drive 💪🏻
I was homeschooled to get away from racist like this
I really prefer interviews where the interviwer's contempt and condescencion are not on full display.
You are the one with a problem if you think that the interviewer was showing any contempt. . .
What made you feel she was condescending?
"We are against any opposing views to ours and don't want our children to challenge us but we want to challenge everyone else" type of hypocritical view.
Exactly.
Exactly. Sounds like a cult, not a school.
Well put.
So? Does everyone need to think the same, be the same, and look the same then according to you? All robot copies of each other? What a dumb comment.
@@nadias6435 Ironically, the only dumb thing here is your comment. LOL!
The fact that they thought she was being abused when she was at school but didn’t investigate say more about the DCPS than an indictment of homeschooling and the attitude of the legislature when speaking about this issue is the exact reason homeschoolers don’t trust the local or state or national government to act in homeschoolings best interest! And the history of the those governing bodies says they can’t be trusted.
I'm so thankful for the ability to homeschool my kids. Our oldest is a senior in college now, graduating this December at 19 and our youngest will graduate from his first two years of college and high school at 18 (next year). They are well-adjusted and smart kids. So thankful for everything they've been able to learn and experience.
I'm on my 2nd year of homeschooling my son. Certainly not for the same reasons as these people. Aside from the fact that my son literally begged me to homeschool him again... I do it because he was falling behind in school even with tutoring. He's incredibly smart, but not a strong student. He also needs a bit more of "You need to sit, focus, and do your work." than he gets in school. I won't be able to homeschool him forever, but he has been benefitting from the one-on-one and he is building his foundational skills and confidence as a student. He does miss having as much time with other kids, but he has always been very social... and unfortunately views school as a social situation more than a learning one. It's all a struggle to find balance in both situations. He has made some significant improvements in his learning skills so I'm happy with that, but will continue to look at things and reevaluate as we go along.
I was an online student in AZVA-K12 system in Arizona from 2010-2015. Aside from half of 8th and all of 9th, I was in online school from 7th grade onward. These systems are garbage. If you're already upset about the fact that public schools overwhelmingly care about having butts in seats for attendance money over actual education, I assure you online school is far worse. My dad used me to get government support and child support checks from my mom, and the school used me for their attendance stats. I was fully responsible and the teachers knew it. I did the work, then logged in as the parent account to input attendance then log right back out. What did they have a problem with in this situation? The fact that I was putting the real time it takes to get through their lessons, 15-20 minutes, and they wanted me to put an hour for each class regardless. They even set it up so that if you click to input your time, it always defaults to an hour so you can literally just click down the list and hit "send". When my grades started slipping because obviously a depressed, socially isolated teenager isn't going to play along with this obvious bullshit system, they would call ME to issue ultimatums about my grades and assignments. The only calls the PARENT got was to ask to speak to me about it. I even have one of the voicemails they left him because he emailed it to me like I'm an employee.
The "benefit" of homeschooling can only be reaped by rich white Christians where the daddy has a well paying job handed to him and mommy stays at home. Funny how it also benefits Christians by allowing them to indoctrinate their kids better. It's almost as if homeschooling is being pushed because even private school isn't insulating enough against reality for christians.
Yeah definitely a Christian thing
My child was never bullied as badly as they were in a private "Christian" school.
You literally don't learn anything Christian in public homeschooling curriculum? It's pretty easy and bullshit but so is public schooling? I perfered homeschool to public school because less drama and less HW lol. Just because ur parents suck and u have mental issues doesn't mean its yt Christian's fault nor does it mean homeschooling doesn't have its benefits little guy
Thank you for sharing your experience
Thank you for sharing your firsthand experience. So many things they say are contradictory. Nothing more than a money grab, just like the making a church for tax exemption. Looks like they're teaching a strait up disregard for society and laws. Nothing but propaganda, and dissent. Disgusting
California venture Academy is not homeschooling. It’s just another school.
I finished my senior year at home, and tell you what, it's been the best decision in my school life. There was literally nothing my school could give me but scoliosis, indigestion and myopia. There wasn't any person at my school with similar interests, no clubs, there was no one I could talk to and "socialize". So what's the point of sitting on your thumbs days long?
I'm homeschooling my 11-year-old. I'm an atheist and we take vaccinations and wear masks in crowded places. I seek out experts in subjects and I try to keep his education well-rounded.
I wish that I felt confident that public schools could do a good job with my child but in the past, they have not and that's why we homeschool. There are a lot of homeschoolers that aren't like the guy in the beginning but our kids are autistic or ADHD or have another health concern or disability and the school is treating them like they don't matter.
My son was getting put in a room by himself for hours a day with a worksheet at public school. It breaks my heart to think about the years of his life he was there getting treated like he wouldn't amount to anything.
We've spent a great deal of time making up for what public school didn't teach him.
We are in the same boat and I have zero regrets with my decision. ❤
I think the key here is that schooling should be about child development and NOT about parental beliefs. If i choose to teach my son solely on what I believe, he is then limited to only knowing what I choose and how I choose to teach him. I believe that public/private/home schooling should work hand and hand to create a holisic environment of learning. I talk ALOT with my sons teacher, I am a home room parent, and I work full time. We work TOGETHER to give my son the tools he needs to grasp concepts. I have gotten great tips from his teacher to use at home and I have made useful suggestions to his teacher to improve his experience at school.
We need to stop thinking that kids only learn in school. I think that public schools will need to stop focusing on scores and tests, and work closely with parents and Home and School Associations to create the complete environment each child needs to grow. If you just drop your child off at a building and expect the teacher to do everything, your child will not benefit, and I honestly believe, that if you teach your child at home how you WANT to teach them, and not how they learn best, your child will also not benefit.
Yes it seems that the adults' motivation in this video is more about making a political statement. I really get the desire to keep CRT and sex ed away from young kids, but you gotta put education first. These adults seem anti-education. We all know the type, they comprise a significant percentage of us.
@@delavan9141 That "homeschooling conference" tells it all, the only black person other than Ben Carson who's a speaking invitee, is a black woman on an advertisement poster for "Florida moms"---I mean, it would be hilarious if we didn't already know that "homeschooling", is an after thought of the failed SEGREGATION ACADEMIES of the White Citizens' Councils....
I have no objection to whomever wishes to homeschool their kids, at their-own time and dime , however, if it's about the destruction of public schooling, then once again, all gloves are off....
@@delavan9141 how about removing crt and gender politics for good and focus on teaching kids to be functioning members of society instead of indoctrinate them in to being sjw activists
@@highbahamut6188 CRT is not part of the curriculum in public schools. Gender politics doesn't go beyond equal rights for women and tolerance toward others.
sounds dumb. what do you think they learn in school....
I was homeschooled and my parents still had to pay a school tax. When I started working at 16, I had to pay a school tax. Now that I'm an adult, I'll be homeschooling my daughter, but my husband and I still pay school taxes. Every single person who is employed in our state has a portion of their paychecks going to the schools, whether they attended or not. The schools still get money regardless of attendance. The current system of teaching is what is failing, not the schools themselves. It's an outdated system that hasn't been updated in over a century. It's pretty obvious that batch education is ineffective and that one-on-one teaching will always be better.
I also want to mention that homeschooling in my state is extremely regulated. I'm in a blue state and they do not like homeschooling so they make it a very difficult process. There is a lot of paperwork, proof of education, and teacher evaluations starting at age 6 (thanks to Covid, they lowered the age from 8). It's a huge infringement on my freedom and I understand that they are trying to prevent people from abusing the system, but the good parents always get punished in the process. The amount of regulation has discouraged many parents from doing it, which is incredibly unfortunate.
That's why many of us do not want government money or this school choice option. We just want the freedom to homeschool without the beauracracy and regulations. Your state has God knows what number of people employed just to enforce all their rules and process the paperwork. I'm in Texas and I don't know anyone who does not homeschool the customary 180 days. Making parents count and document hours is pure insanity.
With all due respect to the law we currently are under we do not (I repeat) we do not control what public school offer to our kids, if so there wouldn't be so many parents feeling the need to remove their kids from public schools all together. Parents are taking back the ownership of their children and giving their full energy to raising their children. The U.S school boards are just not listening anymore so parents are finding other options rather than fight with a system. Sincerely we are educating our children, so we deserve the (public) grants as well.
So how can people be paid to be a teacher with no degree? We need standards. If these parents aren't teaching kids, and they refuse to send them to school, isn't that against the law? Kids deserve a education even if their parents are mentally disabled conspiracy theorists.
The teachers that are qualified dont want to work between a drop in respect for them and a lack of appropriate pay. So they fill in those spaces asap
These home schooled kids are learning more than kids in public education.
@@cerveza2297 useless subjects like the Bible lmao
@@cerveza2297 that's why none of them can pass tests? Watch until the end. They give you statistics on how awful they do. If what your saying was true they would all do great. Most of those kids will never be able to make it through college or get a real job that requires brains. That's why most states have laws about this. If you refuse to send your kid to school, or teach them. You lose your kid.
Thank you for this comment. Makes many great points, and makes me laugh!
I was home schooled for grades 9 to 12 here in Canada. It was almost exactly like school, except I could do as much or as little a day. As long as I did all the tests and had the courses finished by end of year. Up here at least, home schooling just means from home. Learn the same things as those in school.
This is insanity.
Which makes sense considering plenty of you Canucks live in really remote areas. Heck, even here in Maine there are people out in the middle of nowhere where homeschooling is the only option. There has to be a curriculum in place, bare minimum. Otherwise we'll get crazy christian nutjobs or dummies.
As it should be. Welcome to the continued mindfuck that is the U.S.
Florida has had online state funded homeschooling since '99, I attended the last 4 years of highschool there and graduated with a normal state issued diploma. I was actually able to finish about 6 months ahead of schedule, it could have been sooner but my teachers, who were also state licensed educators, were getting annoyed grading physical and online papers with me also being 6 chapters ahead. Even had to go to a gym to do PE, only thing I didn't do was the presidential fitness crap.
It's not all like this here in America, it's almost like we're a massive nation with varrying local laws.
It's obviously teachers unions that are against this and want to force parents to use them. Thats what the Union does
When I heard "there's no standard curriculum and Spitz doesn't need a license" My eyes went WIDE. So then what the hell happens when in the future one of these cultish style adventure clubs - cause they are NOT schools, turns out to be run by an ACTUAL predator or something. This is unhinged behavior to me.
Parents have the right to choose how their children learn and homeschooling is a great option for many. I'm grateful for my homeschool education. It's a beautiful thing to see parents pulling their children out of the corrupt public education system that is failing them and choosing to homeschool.
This is exactly how I figured Vice would cover this. 😂
The homeschooling expo looked awfully politicized. Seems more like a CPAC convention than an event for homeschooling educators. it's not about the kids if you're selling Ron Desantis hats.
Yeah, MAGA my ass.
As a mental health clinician, I administer neuropsychological evaluations to kids and adults. I tested a 21 year old who had been homeschooled her whole life and, sadly, she did not know basic math concepts such as fractions or counting money. She also lacked basic social skills because her parents isolated her from peers her whole life; her only friends growing up were her siblings.
I know many homeschool parents have good intentions and strive to provide quality education for their children, but unfortunately there are many parents who want to have absolute control over their children and their children will endure educational neglect or even abuse under the guise of “homeschooling.” We need to be wary of people who choose homeschooling for the wrong reasons. An example of this is the Turpin case which is absolutely horrifying.
one example
@@benburndred2226 You do know that's what the comment section is for, don't you? People telling their individual experiences. If you want studies, you might find some with a quick google search. Try that and get back to us.
How are you a mental health clinician and seriously using an n =1 to make a broader point about a massive, multivariate phenomenon? Didn't do too well in stats, I'm guessing?
@@delavan9141 That's not "what the comments section is for", actually. It's not for personal experiences. This person is supposed to be a medical professional and she is using anecdotes that her education should indicate are totally useless in describing large phenomena. Her single neuropsych eval is totally meaningless. The kid could have gone to public school and had an equally terrible time. In fact, a significant portion of public school "graduates" are illiterate in both English and Mathematics. So, her point is totally moot and meant to manipulate people into an emotional response.
@@chasethehorizonx Please do your research. I only provided one example but there are many cases of this. Look up the Turpin case. In SOME cases, parents homeschool in an effort to conceal abuse or neglect.
Of course children who attend public school can also experience abuse/neglect but teachers, along with other mandatory reporters of abuse and neglect, serve an important role in our nation’s child protective system; homeschooling allows parents to bypass this system by educating their children at home. While most parents who homeschool DO NOT abuse or neglect their children, the number of families that use homeschooling to conceal maltreatment and keep their children from contact with mandatory reporters is not incidental.
I was homeschooled and I'd never go back. My sisters were homeschooled (same household, parents, etc.) and they hated it. Within the community there are pockets of borderline cults and there are also pockets of people who take their lives seriously and just want to do the best they can in society.
From some things I've been hearing about public schools, I think home schooling is a good alternative. If I had school age children, I think I would definitely consider home schooling. The things I've been hearing and seeing are not happening in all areas of the country, so I might also consider moving to a different area if I lived in one where those things might be going on.
“Don’t control my kids. But, I get to control your kids.”
That's the liberal mindset.
@@toxictroll7843 I know you are but what am I.
@@toxictroll7843 the very definition of conservatism
No more public schooling!!! So I'll just create an organization with a bunch of kids and someone guiding them... Oh wait
yeah and let's take state funding for it... ooooh
Stop bullying in schools, improve discipline in class so the children who actually want to learn can learn, improve teaching standards so children leave school literate and numerate....and stop telling children sex is on a spectrum and they can change sex. Is that too much to ask?
I started homeschooling my two kids two years ago. Before that they were in the failing public school system. There are so many bad behaved kids in the public schools that cause major distraction along with all the other distractions throughout the day. Public schools have become a daycare and feeding center for parents. The parents have no clue what their children are learning or doing all day. It’s a huge disconnect. I enjoy home educating my kids. I am also relearning a lot of things I had forgotten in school. There are many advantages to home educating.
I get annoyed with parents when they say “I can’t help my kids because I have no idea what they are doing”. Wow! That speaks volumes with todays society. Parents need to step up and take the responsibility of being a parent and know where there kids are and what they are learning.
We homeschooled my nephew during the pandemic because he was behind in English and online schooling didn't work for him. (He dropped from A/B to F.) For us it was a combination of keeping him safe from Covid and minimizing stress (we had a house fire before the pandemic and he had to move 5 times). He's older now, so we're trying a dedicated public online school to ease him back in. The stereotype is that homeschooling is done for religious or political reasons, but sometimes it's just about responding to practical needs, educational or life.
Thankfully local government is pretty chill about it. We're in a good area to be homeschoolers.
Homeschooling as a response to extreme circumstances us justifiable. The issue is many parents decide to homeschool permanently and don't have an exit plan. This can create cases where a child is neglected in some aspect, be that in scholastics or social development, and there are no third parties to notice and potentially step in and correct for the long term parental neglect.
Homeschooling only seems to make sense at a very young age, it becomes increasingly unviable as the children get older.
There are exceptions. Some children do better with it, but these are rare, most parents choose to homeschool due to disagreements with schools, and there's a tendency for overly belligerent extremely authoritarian parents who need to control every aspect of their children's lives to have an issue with every school and decide to "do it themselves". It is essentially a form of extreme helicopter parenting. In other cases mother's especially develop separation anxiety and co-dependent relationships with their children and actively homeschool in an attempt to prevent the child from gaining independence and moving out. In yet other cases it's a way to keep the schools from finding out about physical abuse and conditions like Munchausen's by Proxy. Essentially it's a mixed bag and tends to attract everyone who for whatever reason isn't "normal" for good or for bad, it needs to be more heavily regulated than it is. As of now in most states a parent simply needs to state their intent to homeschool and there is never a follow-up, never any home visits, the child is simply removed from the sight of society and may well be in a dangerous home environment. You will occasionally see cases where children have been living in incredible squalor for years before anyone noticed. Nothing ideologically or politically motivated about it. Horder houses, physical abuse, many abusive parents choose homeschooling as a way to keep the government from taking their kids away when the kids rightly should be removed from the dangerous home environment.
@@MrScigeek101 Absolutely, well said---unregulated homeschooling posses a significant threat to child safety and protections....
@@MrScigeek101 Statistics imply homeschoolers do as well or better in college than other groups.
I have seen one case where the neglect kicked in, but that was related to the parent being overwhelmed with medical issues. Abuse happens to plenty of kids who go to regular schools, they just learn to give other excuses for injuries.
In non pandemic times, there are a lot of other social outlets and options for homeschoolers. From sports to clubs to religious groups, even supplemental classes for areas where parents are not equipped.
I would like to see a better check in system to help get support for those who fall in the cracks, but statistically homeschoolers do as well as other groups.
I honestly believe kids should spend more time with adults than other children, and trying to socialize kids by surrounding them with equally immature people may not be best for them.
Addressing potential issues does not mean we should assume every potential problem is the main motivation for homeschooling. The program showed in the video just looks like a homeschool version of things like mock-UN or debate clubs which are regular features in many public schools. Many parents homeschool because they're very concerned with their kids education and want to be active in it. Others homeschool because of bad conditions in traditional schools. Knew one mom who homeschooled for a year because the teacher was penalizing her stepson for being advanced and getting his work done early.
My nephew had a great elementary experience at public school, but middle school started the bullying. My own middle school experience was awful as well, so I was relieved to get him out of that environment for a while.
I do think some personalities are more suited to homeschool than others. So it's certainly not a best option for everyone, but I strongly believe it can be a good option.
@@AmoebaInk Homeschooling statistics are bunk. They show that homeschoolers do as good or better because in many cases the lack of testing requirements means that testing is done largely on a voluntary basis, parents that are using homeschooling as a way to hide abuse simply do not have their children tested nor do they answer surveys so they are not counted. And children that struggle academically will rarely be made to take a test anyway, this means that the homeschoolers who are being tested will have very skewed results compared to the public school kids where testing is done for everyone.
@@MrScigeek101 Grades given by parents may be bunk, entrance rates into colleges and SAT/ACT scores are administered by third parties.
I’ve been homeschooled for my whole life and one of my parents reasons was so that me and my sisters could figure out what I wanted to do in life. I have seen in my life how this has effected me and one thing is that as a 15 year old I can think for myself, I have my own money, I have been able to volunteer for my community even in the middle of the week
I was homeschooled! I'm in my late 30s now. College degree, career, real estate investments, marriage, kids. All of my friends from the homeschool group went on to also do all of the "normal life stuff." The funny thing is, nobody ever asks me where I graduated from high school or where I attended 5th grade. 😉
I think you mean "affected" you.
@@mylucidlife495 @My Lucid Life Did the spelling mistake of a kid trigger you? 😂😂😂 *Begins trolling your every post for grammar errors, sees many immediately*
@@zaidamaganda how do you figure? I found it funny that someone that was homeschooled used incorrect grammar as they were praising homeschooling. Why would you assume I'm triggered? Pointing out irony is not at all close to being triggered. Have fun searching my comments, I guess.
@@mylucidlife495 It's more ironic for the critic to have horrible spelling and grammar... or is that lost on you?
Not all homeschoolers are well educated. Some parents do great others do the bare minimum. I have met both ends of spectrum.
I find it comical that they show how public schools are failing kids and their response pretty much is, "yeah, that's because your kid isn't there. Please sacrifice all of your kids to the system in hopes that it'll get better."
Right?! I'm not going to light my children on fire to keep other children warm.
I think the idea of letting kids do more kinesthetic activities is very smart. I'm a kinesthetic learner and I wish I had more of a hands on/ working with my hands education.
Yea and if there is a massive power outage like in NC, they will have a better chance to not freeze to death.
Yeah but you can do that without bad education. The summer school I went to as a 2nd grader was so fun we went swimming, arcades, trips all over, and when summer ended, we went back to real school.
I agree. I am a visual learner. I retained math much better when I was cooking with my mom, when we went shopping or when my dad taught me how to build things. And of course, I also acquired life skills along the way. I love books but always having the chance to add in those kinesthetic activities brought learning to life!
@@leiajiang7877 "School" doesn't equate education and having fun doesn't make education unreal or "bad".
true, however, their beliefs/motivations for starting their own school are not good
I wasn’t homeschooled but when I was transferring schools my mom and I looked into homeschooling me. However it wasn’t the best option for me due to educational needs. So we explored the private school system and since the schools in my area didn’t offer educational support services ( special education). we looked at charter but the one and only charter in my area had a waiting list that was long . So we decided a different public school district was the best option.
Ultimately my mom let me decide what path would be the best for me. I was 13 years old and I knew what I needed academically. Now I’m in college studying to be a special education teacher .
Edit wanted to add
When the pandemic hit, the transition to online homeschool for college was a struggle. So I looked towards the youth of my church who were homeschooled and their parents. With their help and I was able to structure a plan that suited me. Those habits transferred with me to on campus learning. I have a deep respect for homeschooled students and their families. I admire them in many ways and somewhat envy them but they taught me “ I don’t have to stop learning even when I’m not in class “ .
You writing is an extension of how socially and academically healthy you are!! I am very happy for and proud of you. Wondering if maybe you could / will be able to possibly get involved with an existing or start your own home school that has some or all special ed students. You are far too special to get stuck in the public school special ed sewer system. I speak from experience. I wish you the best with however you execute your skills. You have broad knowledge and understanding of academia needs as you were able to find your path to success by engaging resources you deemed valuable. Yes, I got all this from your paragraphs above. High five to your mom!
@@FM19MONTH thank you 😊 my mom is the best but also my dad. Sure he wasn’t on board with my transfer at first but he saw me blossom and grow. He even said “ why didn’t we transfer you sooner ?” When I started liking school.
I’m very lucky to have supportive parents who support my aspirations.
i was forced into homeschooling by an abusive fundamental christian parent. it took me years to learn how to socialize because that was robbed from me, and i was subjected to 24 hour abuse with no escape.
that said i ended up teaching myself and i'm lucky i'm smart and i got a better education than the public school system offered. but the importance of socialization can't be ignored, and an escape from one narrow mindset.
The principal who used the word 'privileged' when referring to homeschoolers hasn't met very many of them. Many families live on the very edge of poverty in order to be able to homeschool. They sacrifice for their children.
I love when @VICE got a 40+ minute documentary for me to watch & learn something new. Thank u @VICE !!
These homeschooled kids are the type to end up on "are you smarter than a 3rd grader?" As adults.
Please. They'll need the special Are You Smarter Than a Homeschooled 3rd Grader edition.
Most public school kids wouldn't even get through the auditions.
@@zinjanthropus322 yeah because they'd be too busy having, you know, a job and life because they didn't end up with brain rot parents holding them back to "own the libs"
@@zinjanthropus322
Yes they would.
You’re just easily sold on the sensationalism.
That bit is literally from the 70s…where dude interviews 500 people, and only shows you 3 of the least intelligent.
Grow up.
Don’t be so quick to believe in rhetoric.
@@askajk5895 The enforced conformity of school risks crushing truly gifted and motivated kids. I also can't honestly say that average kids do that well in public school, most just coast along.
Not all homeschool kids are weird or religious. Atheist here & my kids were homeschooled till college. We purchased our curriculum stuck to a schedule but traveled the world. They were in a lot of activities, little league, scouts, and other activities to meet friends. They both got very high ACT scores, scholarships, and got into their university of choice.
My wife and I just started HS homeschooling this week. 2/20/23
Best choice because our public School System is broken and teaching Garbage. Props to this Man in the video for starting this program up. I don’t know him but Thank you Sir. Good Documentary👍🏼
LOL, you just started that week and you were qualified to make that statement? What are you? Homeschooled? this is ridiculous.
I was homeschooled k-12, and while I personally have been able to achieve decent academic success, the negative social impact is not at all worth it. If you homeschool, there is a very high chance you are setting your children up for severe emotional and social dysfunction. Also, homeschooling leads children up having gaps in their education. I grew up thinking I was fundamentally terrible at math. I went to college and found out I was actually rather good at it. My parents were just bad at teaching it. There will just always be blind spots like this, even if the parents involved are not actively indoctrinating their children into Christian nationalism. It's just a bad idea.
I think it just depends on the kid. I'd put myself in the category where it wasn't worth it, but I've seen a lot of people turn out completely normal.
Chirico, when you go to University, how did you do with your foreign language class?
Did you have Khan Academy when you were homeschooled? It is an amazing resource for lifting students past their parents knowledge level. Freecodecamp is also an invaluable resource. Socialization has been my primary hurdle in homeschooling because of the resources that are now available for free online.
People, at best, are looking for individualization when they choose homeschool (but I am anti-homeschool).
I say at best because I have heard of reasons I can't support when they choose it.
We need more individualization in public schools, not to take kids out of it, because those gaps you speak of are pretty much the standard of math education.
The number of students I have received who claim they are "bad at math" is staggering.
@@jonathanneal1319 Interesting. I think there is too much pressure on the individual, and too much competition and isolation between children, who should be community pals. If they're not collectively able to help each other and grow in public/private schools, then I'm all for a fresh start, with parents taking the reigns and bringing their kids together themselves. In fact, the way that this video is framing power in the hands of average Americans as a problem, I now empathize more with them taking their kids back from this sort of possessive grip of schools (which are connected with state governments, which are in kahoots with media; and frankly, I think that's the whole reason this hit-piece was made) and media. And I would like to add that I have met many homeschooled kids (although I myself went private), including my cousins, and many of them were actually some of the most independent thinkers and developed individuals I've met.
I also find it a little worrying that Vice is dunking on homeschools in this video, in which the kids seem to be happier and up-to-par with learning anyway, rather than acknowledging the fact that 62% of NYC kids are not passing math in grades 3-8. And that's a huge number of kids, there's a lot more than 200 in a single NYC school. But nooo, public schools aren't actually the problem; it's those gosh darn greedy, average American parents. Sorry for the long rant, I respect your position but I think your reasoning is ill-founded.
I've experienced the formal school, private boarding school, and homeschool. For me, who has trouble focusing to something (mostly in a crowded room), homeschool rlly helped me. I do homeschool for the entire highschool. My parents are both top university graduate and my mother even have a master degree in children psychology. I'm blessed with private teacher, great source, great parents, just like school but more suitable for me. My studying has become more efficient and this has made me fell in love with studying. I can learn like normal kids my age and even surpass my friends from both the formal school and homeschool (in terms of grades and subjects, and i was strictly prohibited from cheating), doing my passion and hobbies, getting closer with my family. And surprisingly, not to be a narcissist or whatever, through homeschool i became more independent, more mature than kids my age, knowing and understanding myself more, and understanding of how things work in real life, which if without homeschool, i doubt i would be the person i am rn. Homeschool may not be for everyone but for me it's a blessing.
So i think just found what suits you best would be the best option since none of us are the same.
I'm so glad you got an amazing education. When did you start learning English?
@@khtiderem7112 my parents have been introducing me to english from a very young age. When i was still 1/2, if they brought a kids book they would buy the english version one. And the cartoons i watch as a kid such as elmo's world, strawberry shortcake, the backyardigans, etc2.. I'm pretty much grown with english even tho it's not my mother tongue. And i'm grateful.
@@ohara_na I kind of wish I had a 1:1 teacher to student ratio as I have ADD and concentration signs of falling behind was apparent to me in kindergarten comparative to other students.
I went to public school throughout. I had multiple friends more mature than both you and I that went on to Ivy league schools and now lead amazing lives as chemists, lawyers and physicians. You may be more mature than other kids your age, but if you have the right group of friends it doesn't matter what school environment you're in.
@@galept both of you? 🤔
I’m all for what works best for the individual child. I loved being homeschooled, my younger brother loved public school and my sister liked private school. I personally found public school very overwhelming. Each kid is different I think.
The adventure fist got me though 😂
Homeschooling doesn't automatically = religious and/or political indoctrination. A large percentage don't care one bit for that nonsense. It's mostly about raising children to reach their highest academic capacity but in a more safe and controlled environment.
I was homeschooled pretty much throughout grade school. My mother worked and homeschooled 7 children. During freshman year I did go to a public high school and after school, I would babysit while my mother went to work. I finished the year with all A's and didn't want to go back. I could see the lack of parenting and real-world education many of my peers desperately needed. I went back to homeschooling and sophomore year did dual enrollment at the technical college which I enjoyed a bit better. My parents gave up a lot to give all seven of us the education and family life we had. I count myself very lucky and I encourage everyone to homeschool their kids.
And yet you can’t use an apostrophe correctly.
@@BlownMacTruck the ultimate test to determine one's proficiency in english
@@BlownMacTruck I know lots of college graduates who can't, either.
A friend of mine was a secretary in the physics department at our local university. She said a lot of the doctoral students were brilliant, but they couldn't tie their own shoes.
@@happydays1336 So those people are just as useless. Got it.
@@bastobasto4866 I know irony can be missed by many, but please try and grasp the concept.
It will be interesting to see the advanced level of education that these non teachers provide. For the kids sake I truly hope their experiment sets these and others up for a life of success. Personally, Finland has the highest quality of education in the world and everyone attends public schools. Not to mention the economic privilege that people have to even consider a homeschool option.
That's because schools in Finland are more like the homeschool shown in this video, which teaches outdoor and life skills, not bible-thumping.
Given how certified modern teachers have kids promote themselves as lgbt and broken, I prefer these guys, also the educations rates are low cause of them lol
And they are a Socialist country.
@What? Got any stats or studies to back that "fact" up, champ?
I was home schooled. It was horrible. I have poor social skills and I have no friends in college. I do not feel like I am a part of any community at all. I have never experienced community outside of the toxic cult I grew up in. I wish homeschooling would be banned in the USA.
Homeschool child now sociologist here. Thanks for doing this story. It would be great with a follow up on the public school system.
I'm glad I went to public school. It saved me from my mom for at least 8 hours a day. It's insightful to see how & why people in the USA are homeschooling.
It's so crazy to me (not from the US) how people would just think they can do better than teachers. I'm the daughter of a teacher and my mom would NEVER want us to not go to school, because you learn so much more than just history, math, science... you learn to co-exist with people from all backgrounds and that is a great preparation for society.
@@jeniffervarela6066hi! I’m from the US. If you truly want to understand look at our education you may want to look at our statistics in general as well as (ex Baltimore, West Virginia, Mississippi, Brighton/Allston), bullying, decreased/non-existent recess, issues of rising mental illness in youth, school shootings, oversized classrooms, limited budget (they ask us parents to buy all the supplies and I live in a wealthy town that taxes heavily), inequality in teaching, behavior issues, zip code and education, limited communication from teachers/schools(esp regarding issues of violence in the classroom). Plus the changes/rollback to expectations of knowledge since the pandemic school shutdown .We have some incredible teachers with that said, teachers do not always have the resources (material, administrative and knowledge) to handle a more cumbersome US educational system. There are private schools and they have their issues. I will be homeschooling my two young children next year. I am working with educator consultants (professional teachers )to craft their customized curriculum to incorporate Montessori-Classical-Waldorf principles that are commonly employed in public schools in countries outside of the US. There are many homeschool group opportunities that they will engage in (ex a science program run by our schoolhouse farm created by acclaimed science teachers) , continued individual tutoring in math and reading at center with their friends. The school day does not need to be 6-8 hours and this allows time for gaining real world age-appropriate skills, exploring their interests and of course family bonding. The system here is quite regimented and punitive(ex some school districts only give 20 minutes of recess, others take it away if the children are deemed “naughty”). I am a primary care clinician and have taught college, graduate and elementary students. All that to say, you don’t have to have several degrees to teach your children and there are so many resources and support to help provide an enriching experience. Homeschooling is not for everyone but for those who will make time for their children’s education and development with love, openness, grace and knowledge it has the awesome opportunity and power to be a positive transformative force for internal and external positive change.
@@jeniffervarela6066You think that because u went to school, you were brainwashed, and your mother is a teacher, so of course u would think this. If ur told a lie a thousand times and someone told u the true once, u will still believe the lies. Have you ever interacted with homeschoolers? Yes, the stats show that homeschoolers outperform their public schooler counterparts. They are also around all different age groups all the time, unlike the public schoolers who are just around one age group all day long.
i was homeschooled for quite a while, way before covid. i definitely did do some schoolwork but i also spent a lot of time just kinda fucking around. used to go to this party that happened at a sort of youth center place where a lot of the homeschoolers in my state would go; it was basically a sharp divide between the dweeby gay/trans convention-going preforming arts type kids and the super strict christian homeschoolers (the two groups seldom interacted even though it was the same event, they'd just play guitar hero in the back room to avoid all of the sin and debauchery)
kindof interesting how this documentary seems to focus much more heavily on conservative homeschoolers. my experience of it was a much more liberal envirenment, there were a lot of queer/trans people who were avoiding homophobia/transphobia in schools or people with adhd/autism who were just better suited to a more self directed way of learning.
Interesting insight!
That sounds like what homeschooling should be
Key word: was.
I have asian friends who homeschool, they don't fall into either category, they just want to learn the curriculum minus the politics, bullying and hostility towards those who work hard to succeed.
That’s actually awesome to hear. I didn’t know that was a thing as homeschool is so often represented by people like the ones in this video.