Tyson’s speed is also a scary thought. He was so damn fast even some boxing techniques like his gazelle punch would just end things before people realized he got inside. But yeah I pretty much agree with all of this. Man was a monster.
Tyson would have developed the same speed and power with his kicks as with his punches. He would use his strength to dominate on the ground. He would have wrecked his opponents.
Tyson walks into RKM like "I saw the video you made. Apparently, you've got an impression of me. Do it. I want to see it. Just do the impression like you did for the video"
I think at the end of the day, regardless of scenario, Mike Tyson is still probably going to beat some people the fuck up. Even if he lost more or less often than he did in boxing.
I remember there was and interview with Mike Tyson about doing MMA and he jokingly said that he's particular about his feet being stomped and when he saw MMA fighters break their feet and toes, it was too hardcore and he'd be out.
I'd say prime George Foreman would have been a monster in MMA, the long guard, positional game, his clinch work and his long power. Partially inspired by the story of him just throwing a dude out the ring in his first sparring session.
If George Foreman can adapt to beating professionals half his age when he was 46, I'd say that it'd be dumb to bet against him just because the rules change in a different sport. Would he win 70 fights? Probably not, but he'd probably win some.
Foreman was also deceptively intelligent in the ring. He wasn't as skilled as Tyson, but he knew how to use all the tools he had and when to use them..
@@always_trust_all_scientists He wasn't as quick, his skill level was subtle and as you said deceptive. I feel like if he'd done high school wrestling as a base with his boxing skill he'd have been a problem at heavyweight in any MMA era.
I think mike would look alot like Chuck Liddell in his prime INSANE ko power and great defense wrestling to keep the fight in his favor standing up. Good aggressive style and pressure for everyone who stepped in the cage with him.
@Emerson Amaya possibly, I think that if he had a honest coach he would have him work on his weakness and I think a good sprawl and good clinch work. Who knows it would've been a great site to see
@@filipferencak2717 Tyson doesn't have to become as good a wrestler as Chuck. He just has to become as good at defence as Chuck, which is a far easier task, relatively speaking. Even if he didn't become as good as Chuck in all aspects of defence, like his legendary ability to just stand back up, even just possessing a similar level of takedown defence would carry Mike really far.
Peekaboo is a very difficult style to deploy in the heat of battle. You need to practice exclusively for an insane amount of time, apart from having the right size. That's why most trainers don't bother trying to replicate it because you've got to be very good at it to even be able to use it.
I love how passionate you are in this video Mike. You really can tell you love martial arts and you are imagining things, so engaged. I'm 23 but you feel younger than me. More alive. I hope you keep it up for many years, your videos always make me shadowbox :)
I think K1 kickboxing would have been very difficult with his small reach. Guys like Aerts, Hoost, Bonjasky with their long and fast leg attacks. I dont think Mike could have succeded there the same way as in boxing.
@@listrahtes I am not so sure. Tyson fought many boxers who had a longer reach. He had speed in abundance and just watching his fights it was uncanny has fast he closed the distance to get inside.
@@jeffzuess9149 but look how he got inside. by often going below waist line or Peek a boo . That was perfect for his boxing but with kicks you get your head chopped of. Thats why a boxer has a much higher stance in kickboxing fight.
You think? He's peek-a-boo stance would make him more susceptible to take-downs from wrestlers and roundhouse kicks would also probably rattle him. His athleticism and explosiveness on the other hand would have guaranteed him a spot at the top if he trained MMA.
@@sweetneko1257 His athleticism and explosivness is there anyways, his peek-a-boo is a boxing strategy. He know how to use angles and all that, he'd train for MMA and adapt his style
I think this is coincidentally a very approachable baseline style for beginners. Working on your calfs and legs will pay dividends no matter what style you end up at in the future, defense oriented guard is the easiest to drill early on, leg kicks don't require height flexibility or as much mind-muscle connection (can develop from learning how a good kick is supposed to feel to expand target options in the future), shifting around when in close range is a great go-to plan to give to beginners who freeze or lose their game plan when they get in the pocket. You won't need powerful shots while learning since you should be sparring light anyway, and by the time you decide this isn't the style for you, you will have a foundation to build from.
This is still one of my fav hard2hurt videos. What a great breakdown. It starts off as just a fun, goofy hanging-around-the-gym question, but it ends up a really smart and nuanced exploration of technique and tactics. I comeback and watch this again ever couple of weeks. So good.
I've used the peekaboo style to set up kicks for the longest time bc i needed a way to add power to tkd kicks and i did boxing, but thats more peekaboo than boxing.
His physical capability as an all around fighter is scary in and of itself, but his mental game is on another level. His fight IQ would be monsterous in MMA. He would have some trouble with well timed lead front push kicks/side kicks and lead leg low kicks, but he's able to adapt very well.
This is actually an interesting view on it as, old school Tyson with his killer instinct would definitely embrace a lot of those MMA elements and hone them as much as possible within his style. A lot of people simply see him as a brute, but there has been vids of him in recent years breaking down his technique and there is a surprising amount of thought behind why he fought the way he did. Really, if the sports were swapped and young Tyson went into MMA instead of boxing, I get the vibe that he actually would've specialized in grappling and would've been known for vicious submissions instead of KOs, lol
This should honestly be a series with different combat athletes. I like the Manny Pacquiao stuff but would love to see other fighters like Ryan Garcia, Lonanchenko, Canelo, Fury, etc. as well as the “what ifs” of Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris
He said in a wired interview he would lose every mma fight bc he has sensitive feet and people would stomp his feet and he would throw in the towel lmao
For an answer to the leg kicks, look at Ramon Dekkers and Mike Zambidis. I think one of Zambidis’s moves would be to brace and answer with a lead hook or an overhand, you can correct me if Im wrong.
Great video! Excellent insight. Being 15lbs lighter, a half inch taller, and having a half inch more reach than tyson I am built similar enough to have had great success incorporating some of the peek’a’boo system into my mma game. Another great fighter to look at, outside of mma, would be “iron mike” zambidis. A greek kickboxer. Who got his nickname for his stylistic similarities. He has a beautiful way of combining his high guard, thai block, and leg checks with tyson style head movement to defend a kick or punch while simultaneously getting his head offline, taking a new position, and setting up power shots with momentum fed by his defense, as he moves inside. It was a game changer for people like me who constantly have the reach disadvantage and who train at gyms with instructors that don’t know shit about fighting inside or how to get there.
I was about to say this, If Mike Tyson has to focus on more types of attack and defense I think it brings his overall mastery down a bit and he ends up like Melvin Manhoef
this is so informative, always had a feeling that mike would transition better than most boxers without changing his style much but to here articulated like this is so great - question is would fight at 205 or heavyweight ?
Heavyweight would be hard. He’d probably kill the smaller 230-ish heavyweights but the bigger 265 guys with good grappling would be a nightmare for him. Since he’s 5’10” 220 and super quick I’m sure he would be really slippery to try to takedown but once a big guy would get ahold of him it wouldn’t be good.
I think Tyson's cage/clinch work would favor overhooks. I can just imagine him grabbing an overhook with his right hand, slamming some hooks to the body to let them lean forward, then letting go of the overhook (maybe with the left hand as a collar tie) and doing his signature leaning uppercut.
I could also see Tyson being able to read when things were coming. If he could time your kick, he would probably crash in and try and wreck you while you were delivering your kick. Benny the Jet does something similar when he checks kicks and Tyson would come in way harder.
I know I'm late with this thought, but I think Mike Tyson would also use Judo throws... Cause, if he end up in any sort of Clinch sitaution, where you normally end up after a while in close range MMA, it would be definitly legit for him. He has a strong upper body, and is very explosive wich would be usefull AND he could throw his opponent on the ground while he stay on his feed. From there he could go to a Mount or Knee on belly situation and do his hard and strong ground and pound. It would be also great for him because with a Judo throw he could avoid all the ground fighting bjj stuff...
In my school we legit study Mike, I study your videos on my own time. Mike Tyson's understanding of how his body works and footwork would serve him well. Even if his grappling isn't "the best", like you said he's a nut when it comes to his craft. He'd work the shit outta takedown defense. Probably have some vicious ass upper cuts for shooting takedowns, he is an actual martial artist, karate I believe. So it's not like he does have the information to throw kicks, but he's smart so I doubt he's throwing high volumes of kicks because he knows them lol. Great video!
its true TJ modeled parts of his striking off mike tyson , he is a shorter fighter using outside angles and striking check out his aka tyson drill video on his channel
I came here curious if you'd say he'd get bodied by elbows to the head since his head movement brings him right under his opponents' shoulders, but you're totally right that his stance would be different for MMA. Good analysis.
Also another thing to a add is his physic was actually perfect for wrestling, and if you loon at the way he moves and his speed it's a deadly combination for wrestling. I think if he did mma he woukd of actually been more of a very forward pressure wrestler who then explodes with strikes onces he gets inside. He could of been an absolute savage and a style we have never seen before. Can you imagine how fast his blast double would be.
Fun topic, agree w the grt analysis. Id add that tyson was conservative n defensive, so while he looked like a monster, hes not the sort to take risks n wrestle big, leave the head open, exchange shots unnecessarily. Hes there to end the fight, and i dont see him grappling so much becuz of this, at most he'll ground to pound. I dont think he stays on the ground long unnecessarily. It doesnt suit his fast twitch muscles either. he'll focus on explosive KOs. I think he gets flexible and very good and swing kicks. But he will have a tight jj game becuz he wont want to be disadvantaged there.
The Killashaw reference was not far fetched at all... ‘twas spot on.. Dillashaw literally has videos explain his footwork and how it’s base is in Tyson’s (DeMato’s) Peek A Boo style for entry and exit into le “Red Zone”
Also, takedown defense was the SECOND thing I asked my strip mall dojo about. The first being breaking guard so I'm not stuck in a place where I have to worry about getting submitted. Sorry all I could find at the time was a strip mall dojo.
Igor vovchanchyn and fedor should be mentioned as what Tyson might look like in mma. Igor took a lot from Tyson. If you can find igors old instructional you can see him do drills like Tyson. Fedor took from Igor
Tyson's style would go really good with low kick setups for closing the distance and low to body kick mix up with his shuffles and punches. Im thinking of Justin Gaethje, Mike Zambidis, or Ramon Dekkers
I love this channel so far, you guys are very thoughtful about what you talk about, and I can tell the love you put into these videos! Can't wait to hear another what if! Suggestion: floyd Mayweather as a MMA fighter
The fact that homie was in the background playing on his phone the whole time and barely paying any attention to what was going on show's how much chaotic fun happens in that gym 🤣
Toally agree with you. Also, he had unacanny punch power. He was able to knock people out with ONE punch of those big CUSHIONS 16-ounce boxing gloves, can you imagine the power he would deliver with MMA "barely 1 ounce" gloves? He would knock people into the grave. He wouldn't even have to place the shots, just a random hit would do it. Liver shots would kill people. A beast is a beast in any environment he is placed.
Awesome video! I'm a huge Tyson fan. It's thought provoking to think about Tyson as an MMA fighter. Your training partner did a great Tyson reenactment. 💯🥊
I agree about the clinch game against the fence. Tyson would have dominated in that short distance punching, delivering knockout power from inches away.
As someone who is trying to do a modified peek a boo, and have a style like Tyson's in MMA, the think I'm most worried about is front kicks and teeps (spelling?). Any advice? Thanks for this video!
I think you're mostly right with TJ however I gotta go with Cody (cool headed version). He's got way more head movement and uses a modified peek a boo. Also I'm confident in saying he would wrestle like Randleman. Both were short and explosive. That forced him to use low double and attacks from the outside. Both would want to really scramble to side control and avoid getting into someone's guard because they're short.
That middle range against the wall mentioned at 9:29ish, why do you think its usually avoided? I'd think maybe because the guy on the wall can use his head and weight a little bit better to reverse position if they clinch up from there, so ppl who want to wrestle would rather flatten them up against the wall asap, but I'm not super sure why some strikers often relieve so much pressure after backing their opponent up to the fence.
@hard2hurt y’all mentioned Bas as coach for Mike Tyson if prime Tyson would have done MMA. Bas mentioned before that he used a square stance like Tyson and even gave Tyson credit for his own MMA stance. Prime Tyson with takedown defense, basic submission defense at that time, learning to get back up from takedowns. He could have easily been a champion in the UFC in that era.
Question for Viewers: Who should we do next?
The Eddie Hall and Halfthor fight.
Bruce Lee or maybe the legitimacy of stuff like baki
WHY you hate TJ dilshaw. What you could do if you had to fight him in mma. Also why you hate sensei ando
Muhammad Ali
canelo in mma or hammer grappling xdd
"oh, tho you a wrethler now?" - Mike Tyson
Gold.
Underrated comment
lmao good impression i can hear mike tyson saying that as i read it lol...
I can hear this comment.
"Oh, tho you wanna throw thpinnin' thit now?"
"This is something you can introduce even if you're not Mike Tyson" the inclusiveness is appreciated
Yeah, thanks Icy Mike. I've not been Mike Tyson for a long time and I've been waiting for this vid
Icy Mike talking how to be Mike and how to beat Mike, even if you're not Mike
When I'm not Mike, this information will come in handy!
😁😁😁😂😂
As some one who has recently come out as NOT Mike Tyson, I really appreciate how how Icy Mike still accepts me.
Mike Tyson would be successful at just about any combat sport. Dudes a warrior. They use that shift in Sanda btw. Usually to initiate a leg sweep.
He would have been a great wrestler too. He had the perfect build for it, he could have looked like Kevin Randleman.
Exactly!!! 👌👌👊👊👏👏👏 You totally understand.
Tyson’s speed is also a scary thought. He was so damn fast even some boxing techniques like his gazelle punch would just end things before people realized he got inside. But yeah I pretty much agree with all of this. Man was a monster.
Prime Tyson basically has the punching power of Francis Ngannou (if not more), with WAY more speed and better reflexes. Terrifying physical specimen.
Tyson would have developed the same speed and power with his kicks as with his punches. He would use his strength to dominate on the ground. He would have wrecked his opponents.
Exactly!!! Preach! Look @ Francis Ngannou.
@@blakedove2263 Exactly!!!
@@CARigged No question!
He is built more for wrestling than he is for boxing. Knowing what he did in boxing makes that damn near terrifying lbs
I always thought that if he was introduced to wrestling at a young age. He would have been a legend, an olympic gold medalist.
Yeah man he has a wrestling body crazy that he is a boxer
Gene Fullmer looked like a wrestler too.
and he won gold medal in boxing
His legs were a little shorter for a man his height, so I think he’ll be great at hip tosses and suplexes
Bwahahaha!.... Nate passed out in the back just killed me! Get that man a pillow.
Nate's asleep.
I came for the comment on napping Nate!
Same lol
I’m so glad you said it!! “Leg Muscles!”
2:03 "Yeth, I'm ready" 🤣
I can hear this comment
Tyson walks into RKM like "I saw the video you made. Apparently, you've got an impression of me. Do it. I want to see it. Just do the impression like you did for the video"
Mike Tyson’s style with a really good clinch game and some grappling😳, that’d be scary
so basically mike tyson if he learnt mma
lol so basically this video hahaha
I think at the end of the day, regardless of scenario, Mike Tyson is still probably going to beat some people the fuck up. Even if he lost more or less often than he did in boxing.
@@hard2hurt and plus he would have more knock out power cuz the glows are not that padded
Icy Mike analyzing Iron Mike
I can die happy now
I remember there was and interview with Mike Tyson about doing MMA and he jokingly said that he's particular about his feet being stomped and when he saw MMA fighters break their feet and toes, it was too hardcore and he'd be out.
I thought it was he didn't like the idea of legs kicks?
On the toilet at work. I got time for a hard2hurt video. 😂
Don't let your legs fall asleep.
@@hard2hurt he'll just grapple his own legs to wake up them up again
Hopefully is wasn't hard2shit😉
At school rn
@@thebodykeepsthescore2828 😂😂😂
I'd say prime George Foreman would have been a monster in MMA, the long guard, positional game, his clinch work and his long power. Partially inspired by the story of him just throwing a dude out the ring in his first sparring session.
If George Foreman can adapt to beating professionals half his age when he was 46, I'd say that it'd be dumb to bet against him just because the rules change in a different sport. Would he win 70 fights? Probably not, but he'd probably win some.
Foreman was also deceptively intelligent in the ring. He wasn't as skilled as Tyson, but he knew how to use all the tools he had and when to use them..
@@always_trust_all_scientists He wasn't as quick, his skill level was subtle and as you said deceptive. I feel like if he'd done high school wrestling as a base with his boxing skill he'd have been a problem at heavyweight in any MMA era.
Prime Foreman ground and pounding would be some scary shit
@@henriquehansen314 I would want none of that shit
I think mike would look alot like Chuck Liddell in his prime INSANE ko power and great defense wrestling to keep the fight in his favor standing up. Good aggressive style and pressure for everyone who stepped in the cage with him.
@Emerson Amaya possibly, I think that if he had a honest coach he would have him work on his weakness and I think a good sprawl and good clinch work. Who knows it would've been a great site to see
Chuck was a D1 wrestler though.
@@filipferencak2717 Tyson doesn't have to become as good a wrestler as Chuck. He just has to become as good at defence as Chuck, which is a far easier task, relatively speaking.
Even if he didn't become as good as Chuck in all aspects of defence, like his legendary ability to just stand back up, even just possessing a similar level of takedown defence would carry Mike really far.
@Kong Yasuke I mean, he is a heavyweight. Chuck wasn't.
@@filipferencak2717 Chuck was 6’1, 6’’2 225
Mike was 5’10 215-220. Mike was just explosive as hell.
Peekaboo is a very difficult style to deploy in the heat of battle. You need to practice exclusively for an insane amount of time, apart from having the right size. That's why most trainers don't bother trying to replicate it because you've got to be very good at it to even be able to use it.
Frankie Edgar uses a modified peek a boo in mma
I love how passionate you are in this video Mike. You really can tell you love martial arts and you are imagining things, so engaged. I'm 23 but you feel younger than me. More alive. I hope you keep it up for many years, your videos always make me shadowbox :)
I see Mike finally killed the BJJ instructor after being choked out for the last time.
Didn't even try to hide the body!
How effective is biting, especially ears in a fight?! Can we do that one next! (If some one bites you squeeze their nose 👃)
I already did it.
@@hard2hurt 👍
Mike: "He's a problem for anybody"
*KaMaRu UsMaN hAs EnTeReD tHe ChAt*
Snoozeman is wack, but he's a smart ass fighter for sure
Mike is a very good fighter, but people believe he’s a lot better then he is.
I think Mike almost head kicked Roy Jones Jr in their fight.
Mike Tyson would probably be awesome at any combat sport he picked.
He would the guy is just gifted
I think K1 kickboxing would have been very difficult with his small reach. Guys like Aerts, Hoost, Bonjasky with their long and fast leg attacks. I dont think Mike could have succeded there the same way as in boxing.
@@listrahtes I can see that but imagine him in MMA doing khabib's strategy of grinding them to the cage and wrestling them, dude it would be perfect.
@@listrahtes I am not so sure. Tyson fought many boxers who had a longer reach. He had speed in abundance and just watching his fights it was uncanny has fast he closed the distance to get inside.
@@jeffzuess9149 but look how he got inside. by often going below waist line or Peek a boo . That was perfect for his boxing but with kicks you get your head chopped of. Thats why a boxer has a much higher stance in kickboxing fight.
I think his boxing style would work great for mma. He was so explosive and used a lot of movement and angles.
You think? He's peek-a-boo stance would make him more susceptible to take-downs from wrestlers and roundhouse kicks would also probably rattle him. His athleticism and explosiveness on the other hand would have guaranteed him a spot at the top if he trained MMA.
@@sweetneko1257 His athleticism and explosivness is there anyways, his peek-a-boo is a boxing strategy. He know how to use angles and all that, he'd train for MMA and adapt his style
@@lucascastro2802 Yes. Steroids was an amplifier of pre-existing talent
@@sweetneko1257Kicks are a problem, but peekaboo would be fine for takedown defense, considering how wide it is.
I've been wondering about this for a long time
"How would an MMA Mike Tyson fight against you?" "..no idea, I would be too busy running away and screaming in panic" ;-) :-D
I think this is coincidentally a very approachable baseline style for beginners. Working on your calfs and legs will pay dividends no matter what style you end up at in the future, defense oriented guard is the easiest to drill early on, leg kicks don't require height flexibility or as much mind-muscle connection (can develop from learning how a good kick is supposed to feel to expand target options in the future), shifting around when in close range is a great go-to plan to give to beginners who freeze or lose their game plan when they get in the pocket. You won't need powerful shots while learning since you should be sparring light anyway, and by the time you decide this isn't the style for you, you will have a foundation to build from.
MMA Mike Tyson fights like John Lineker. That's all he needs
GREAT call
Dude died in your gym and you finished the video. That’s dedication we should all appreciate
This is still one of my fav hard2hurt videos. What a great breakdown. It starts off as just a fun, goofy hanging-around-the-gym question, but it ends up a really smart and nuanced exploration of technique and tactics. I comeback and watch this again ever couple of weeks. So good.
Ramon Dekkers (r.i.p) would be the kickboxing equivalent to Mike Tyson.
Turbine from hell was no fuckin joke
Him or Coban
Straight up
Mike Zambidis would have been his kickboxing equivalent, he even used the peak-a-boo guard. Dekkers was a thai guy.
@@MrAlepedroza zambidis had a fraction of the head movement dekkers did. Thai guy or not dekkers resembles tysons style better than any kickboxer
The “yeth I’m ready” got me😂😂😂
The way you bring it, it would be great for any inside boxer. Frazier, Duran, Marciano.
I've used the peekaboo style to set up kicks for the longest time bc i needed a way to add power to tkd kicks and i did boxing, but thats more peekaboo than boxing.
Yeah but the question was, what does Mike Tyson do in boxing that would translate into mma. So yeah what your saying totally counts
His physical capability as an all around fighter is scary in and of itself, but his mental game is on another level. His fight IQ would be monsterous in MMA.
He would have some trouble with well timed lead front push kicks/side kicks and lead leg low kicks, but he's able to adapt very well.
This is actually an interesting view on it as, old school Tyson with his killer instinct would definitely embrace a lot of those MMA elements and hone them as much as possible within his style. A lot of people simply see him as a brute, but there has been vids of him in recent years breaking down his technique and there is a surprising amount of thought behind why he fought the way he did. Really, if the sports were swapped and young Tyson went into MMA instead of boxing, I get the vibe that he actually would've specialized in grappling and would've been known for vicious submissions instead of KOs, lol
Melvin Manhouef = Mike Tyson of MMA
Tyson wants original UFC with legal biting. Tyson’s short upper would be good against the takedown.
This should honestly be a series with different combat athletes. I like the Manny Pacquiao stuff but would love to see other fighters like Ryan Garcia, Lonanchenko, Canelo, Fury, etc. as well as the “what ifs” of Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris
He said in a wired interview he would lose every mma fight bc he has sensitive feet and people would stomp his feet and he would throw in the towel lmao
For an answer to the leg kicks, look at Ramon Dekkers and Mike Zambidis. I think one of Zambidis’s moves would be to brace and answer with a lead hook or an overhand, you can correct me if Im wrong.
Mike Tyson’s punches are already scary enough, imagine him coming at you with elbows and kicks 😬
I have a friend who trains in Peek-a-boo and the amount of power he can generate in 6-7 inch punch is scary
I mean, he's already kind of known for throwing elbows.
What a fun video, I hope you do more of this!
Love this vid. What made Mike scariest to me was his dedication and obsessed killer mindset. He was DRIVEN.
Great video! Excellent insight.
Being 15lbs lighter, a half inch taller, and having a half inch more reach than tyson I am built similar enough to have had great success incorporating some of the peek’a’boo system into my mma game.
Another great fighter to look at, outside of mma, would be “iron mike” zambidis. A greek kickboxer. Who got his nickname for his stylistic similarities.
He has a beautiful way of combining his high guard, thai block, and leg checks with tyson style head movement to defend a kick or punch while simultaneously getting his head offline, taking a new position, and setting up power shots with momentum fed by his defense, as he moves inside.
It was a game changer for people like me who constantly have the reach disadvantage and who train at gyms with instructors that don’t know shit about fighting inside or how to get there.
Nate in the background, and Mike looking back in silence😂😂😂cdfuu
mans was snoozin
Shawn Porter would have been a solid MMA fighter also if he tried.
Ramon Dekkers was kinda like the Mike Tyson of Muay Thai, pure ferocity
Definitely
Theres actually a fighter that has a striking foundation in peekabo. Frankie edgar. Thats the adaption.
Add the shuffling footwork to Melvin Manhoef and you’ll have MMA Mike Tyson.
I was about to say this, If Mike Tyson has to focus on more types of attack and defense I think it brings his overall mastery down a bit and he ends up like Melvin Manhoef
I've never even thought about this before. He would've been a beast for sure.
this is so informative, always had a feeling that mike would transition better than most boxers without changing his style much but to here articulated like this is so great - question is would fight at 205 or heavyweight ?
Hw champ
LHW he's at his best at 215
Heavyweight would be hard. He’d probably kill the smaller 230-ish heavyweights but the bigger 265 guys with good grappling would be a nightmare for him. Since he’s 5’10” 220 and super quick I’m sure he would be really slippery to try to takedown but once a big guy would get ahold of him it wouldn’t be good.
10:00 Dude in the back is an excellent representation of what Mike's opponent would look like in the octagon
2:04 🤣🤣🤣
I love the random stuff that happens I know nothing about fighting I just love how natural the videos are dude just dozed off 😂
"Everyone has a plan till they get hit in the face" -- Mike
*fathe
Icy Mike
I think Tyson's cage/clinch work would favor overhooks. I can just imagine him grabbing an overhook with his right hand, slamming some hooks to the body to let them lean forward, then letting go of the overhook (maybe with the left hand as a collar tie) and doing his signature leaning uppercut.
I could also see Tyson being able to read when things were coming. If he could time your kick, he would probably crash in and try and wreck you while you were delivering your kick. Benny the Jet does something similar when he checks kicks and Tyson would come in way harder.
4:07 point in the video displays a very technically accurate leg kick!
Good for you Mike!
I know I'm late with this thought, but I think Mike Tyson would also use Judo throws...
Cause, if he end up in any sort of Clinch sitaution, where you normally end up after a while in close range MMA, it would be definitly legit for him. He has a strong upper body, and is very explosive wich would be usefull AND he could throw his opponent on the ground while he stay on his feed. From there he could go to a Mount or Knee on belly situation and do his hard and strong ground and pound.
It would be also great for him because with a Judo throw he could avoid all the ground fighting bjj stuff...
Remember that Tyson is an elite athlete. He would train like a beast and would dominate mma as well.
In my school we legit study Mike, I study your videos on my own time. Mike Tyson's understanding of how his body works and footwork would serve him well. Even if his grappling isn't "the best", like you said he's a nut when it comes to his craft. He'd work the shit outta takedown defense. Probably have some vicious ass upper cuts for shooting takedowns, he is an actual martial artist, karate I believe. So it's not like he does have the information to throw kicks, but he's smart so I doubt he's throwing high volumes of kicks because he knows them lol. Great video!
Cool video concept, I really dig it.
its true TJ modeled parts of his striking off mike tyson , he is a shorter fighter using outside angles and striking check out his aka tyson drill video on his channel
I came here curious if you'd say he'd get bodied by elbows to the head since his head movement brings him right under his opponents' shoulders, but you're totally right that his stance would be different for MMA. Good analysis.
Include Tyson's quick headmovement and distance closing to wrestling and takedowns. Would be pretty darn scary.
good to see Cliff again!
This is awesome. You should do more. I’d love to see some of the more defensive boxers like Mayweather, Willy Pep and Pernell Whitaker.
And James Toney!!!
Dead right on the TJ comparison, if I remember correctly, in his striking breakdown videos he references Tyson's techniques many times.
Someone send this to Mike Tyson, this was a really good and insightful video
The counter punch, clinch and close range punching style you demonstrate reminds me of Ramon Dekkers.
The only thing I know for sure is that any take down to Tyson needs to be Very well timed, if not BUM! Uppercut!
"Are you ready" "Yeth im ready" 😂
1:14 So much shadeeeeee 😎😂. The shade SHIELDS me from the Sun.
Bas Rutten loves mentioning Mike Tyson when he talks about his punching inspirations.
Also another thing to a add is his physic was actually perfect for wrestling, and if you loon at the way he moves and his speed it's a deadly combination for wrestling. I think if he did mma he woukd of actually been more of a very forward pressure wrestler who then explodes with strikes onces he gets inside. He could of been an absolute savage and a style we have never seen before. Can you imagine how fast his blast double would be.
Fun topic, agree w the grt analysis. Id add that tyson was conservative n defensive, so while he looked like a monster, hes not the sort to take risks n wrestle big, leave the head open, exchange shots unnecessarily. Hes there to end the fight, and i dont see him grappling so much becuz of this, at most he'll ground to pound. I dont think he stays on the ground long unnecessarily. It doesnt suit his fast twitch muscles either. he'll focus on explosive KOs. I think he gets flexible and very good and swing kicks. But he will have a tight jj game becuz he wont want to be disadvantaged there.
Prime Mike Tyson. Perfect triangle mount. GROUND AND POUND. Let that sink in.
Mike Tyson could join competitive cheer and become the best cheerleader. His dedication will make him good at anything
The Killashaw reference was not far fetched at all... ‘twas spot on.. Dillashaw literally has videos explain his footwork and how it’s base is in Tyson’s (DeMato’s) Peek A Boo style for entry and exit into le “Red Zone”
Also, takedown defense was the SECOND thing I asked my strip mall dojo about. The first being breaking guard so I'm not stuck in a place where I have to worry about getting submitted. Sorry all I could find at the time was a strip mall dojo.
Igor vovchanchyn and fedor should be mentioned as what Tyson might look like in mma.
Igor took a lot from Tyson. If you can find igors old instructional you can see him do drills like Tyson. Fedor took from Igor
Tyson's style would go really good with low kick setups for closing the distance and low to body kick mix up with his shuffles and punches. Im thinking of Justin Gaethje, Mike Zambidis, or Ramon Dekkers
This is great, well done!
I love this channel so far, you guys are very thoughtful about what you talk about, and I can tell the love you put into these videos! Can't wait to hear another what if!
Suggestion: floyd Mayweather as a MMA fighter
The fact that homie was in the background playing on his phone the whole time and barely paying any attention to what was going on show's how much chaotic fun happens in that gym 🤣
Toally agree with you. Also, he had unacanny punch power. He was able to knock people out with ONE punch of those big CUSHIONS 16-ounce boxing gloves, can you imagine the power he would deliver with MMA "barely 1 ounce" gloves? He would knock people into the grave. He wouldn't even have to place the shots, just a random hit would do it. Liver shots would kill people. A beast is a beast in any environment he is placed.
Prime Roy Jones in mma. His explosiveness, reflexes and fast twitch muscles are out of this world
Awesome video! I'm a huge Tyson fan. It's thought provoking to think about Tyson as an MMA fighter. Your training partner did a great Tyson reenactment. 💯🥊
This was a fun thought experiment. More videos like this plz c:
I agree about the clinch game against the fence. Tyson would have dominated in that short distance punching, delivering knockout power from inches away.
That Cus D'Amato style
Willie pep as a MMA fighter would be a interesting conversation
As someone who is trying to do a modified peek a boo, and have a style like Tyson's in MMA, the think I'm most worried about is front kicks and teeps (spelling?). Any advice? Thanks for this video!
Check out some film study videos of Frankie Edgar. He used a modified peek-a-boo in MMA.
@@samuelhite2887 right on, thank you!
& you're 100% correct with the Dillashaw comparison.
I think you're mostly right with TJ however I gotta go with Cody (cool headed version). He's got way more head movement and uses a modified peek a boo. Also I'm confident in saying he would wrestle like Randleman. Both were short and explosive. That forced him to use low double and attacks from the outside. Both would want to really scramble to side control and avoid getting into someone's guard because they're short.
We reviewed randleman footage while shooting this. I showed nate the slam.
Funny thing is, Bas Rutton mimicked Mike Tyson when he was in Pancras.
I watched Bas talk about it.
That middle range against the wall mentioned at 9:29ish, why do you think its usually avoided? I'd think maybe because the guy on the wall can use his head and weight a little bit better to reverse position if they clinch up from there, so ppl who want to wrestle would rather flatten them up against the wall asap, but I'm not super sure why some strikers often relieve so much pressure after backing their opponent up to the fence.
This was my exact style when I was training. I'm older, but this makes me wanna go for another run.
@hard2hurt y’all mentioned Bas as coach for Mike Tyson if prime Tyson would have done MMA. Bas mentioned before that he used a square stance like Tyson and even gave Tyson credit for his own MMA stance. Prime Tyson with takedown defense, basic submission defense at that time, learning to get back up from takedowns. He could have easily been a champion in the UFC in that era.
Thanks for the content Mike.