FILMING IN PUBLIC IS AN OFFENCE UNDER THE TERRORISM ACT!!!! - Embassy of the Netherlands London
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What is going on everybody, this is TGA, and today, we have another video for you all, this time, we're at the Dutch Embassy in London, and we get clueless security, and multiple police vehicles turning up on blue lights for a man with a camera. Enjoy the video.
Jesus wept..whether you agree with masked ausitors or not, this police reaction is pathetic and plain wrong! If these buildings and their security cronies want privacy, build some bloody fences or walls. The complete overreaction to legal photography and the bo**ocks associated to terrorism needs to be sorted. He's on a bloody PUBLIC pavement. All this "understand and appreciate" is an inflation of unnecessary self importance. Turn up for some real crimes where the public are genuinly affected.
In addition to that. Any Police officer who ends a sentence with 'Ok' seems to me to be speaking in a condescending manner. It's as if they've simplified everything to 'help' you understand. So Officer, if you are reading this, I hope you understand what I am trying to say. OK? Did you get that, not speaking above your head am I? OK?
Well said, could not agree more.
Officer said twice he cant hear you in an attempt go get you to take off your mask, yet had no problem hearing what you said when he realized you wont remove your mask.
Told him after that attempt that he was recording too. Nice try though 😂😂
He could hear fine, just like we could! A con to drop your mask.
What a great officer...
I know , I noticed that one .
then when he spoke a bit louder it was dont get agressive .
Next time one of the filth asks "how do I know you're not a terrorist?", just respond with "how do I know you're not the next Wayne Couzens?"
I'd go with "how do I know you are not child molester?"
Or even just "how do I know you aren't? Is it OK if you are, but only a problem if you don't know whether a person is? How do you know anyone is or isn't? Do you detain, search or arrest everyone you see since you don't know if they are?"
Very good😢😢😢😢😢😢
Or the next David Carrick....met police serial rapist.
or the current Wayne Couzens. Since they are diplomatic protection, Couzens was diplomatic protection. Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
Photography in public is not an act of terrorism..... It's an act of tourism! 😊
I like that! May I steel that, and use it in the States?
Well a normal tourist don't hang around a building with a mask on for an hour so why didn't the police stop all the others in the street you mong ..
That's very funny. You could be a terrorist they say. Yes I'm a tourist you say. Make out you are hard of hearing.
Why would a tourist photograph an embassy and act like a spoilt brat
@@millny123 Each to their own.
Our foreign office should hire a different security firm, this is emberrasing.
Walk up to someone, imply they're a terrorist by invoking S58 TACT and then claim you're being polite. I'm not quite sure how these people expect the public to react to them.
They expect that we get scared and go away quickly. Most do.
They expect you to go on your knees and lick their boots.
@@gregkasza1925 That is the main reason for the despiccable behaviour of the uniformed clowns.
The public should respond “check out subsection 3A(b)part(i)of that section of the Act (S58), and that perfectly explains my defence!
@@Pablo.B0208 That's valid, although frankly the bigger issue is that nobody NEEDS the 3A.b.i defence if they're not actually doing something "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" (per 1.a). Or, more to the point, if the police don't have any reason to think they are, which they invariably don't.
The sad fact is that in the end the detail of the law is increasingly irrelevant. The police will do whatever they want, to anyone, for any reason, at any time, because they are essentially unregulated and there is effectively zero risk of any personal discomfort for them. It's far easier to take your frustrations out on a completely innocent photographer than on a criminal, who might actually be dangerous, then you can go back and tell your boss you had a busy day.
You cannot turn a LEGAL activity into a crime, Terrorism or NOT
100% Correct...They have ALL stepped out of their gates.... illegally and unlawfully out of their Jurisdiction onto the lands....as the LANDS belong to WE THE PEOPLE...Who are the real DIVINE LIVING SOVEREIGNS of the land from birth under GOD . They are ALL operating under ADMIRALTY MARITIME LAW OF THE HOLY SEEs via the Birth certificate fraud/scam!!!! ie For the UK CITY OF LONDON CROWN CORPORATION = THE DEEP STATE!!!! x
They make the human right of "Freedom of opinion and expression" a crime when they arrest people for swearing in public
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 People need to grow up about folk filming in public. Shove feelings in a handbag and take them home.
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 The "alarm and distress" is a highly abused act that cannot override the humen right of "freedom of opinion and expression", of which photography is expressive. Also, challange police with stating that this government have caused me, and i'd say a fair percentage of this country, "alarm and distress" every day for nearly 13 years. Are they going to arrest them? No, because that's how much they've twisted that act (it used to be alarm and distrees through threats or abuse, but they've cut that last bit off to suit themselves)
@@mijimonmaster it's their free go to jail card
I blame not only the SIA but also the security companies for not training and educating their staff in a proper way it just goes to show the true quality of these companies
They are also people who cannot speak English properly and seem to come from a country where freedoms don't exist and most things are "not allowed".
Every god damn thing is not allowed by these people. There is barely anything the public can do anymore.
That Grunt did a half-decent job of de-escalating a perfectly lawful activity that had been escalated beyond belief.
But, as always, what the fcuk were they doing there in the first place?
Filming anything and everything, from a public place is not, nor has ever been, breaking the law.
Yet more confirmation of the fact Grunts have absolutely nothing to do for most of the time we pay them.
And what did they do about the illegal motorbike riding on the pavement?
Grunts? I’ve never heard that before, do you know how that came about?
@@Bri_g3 American GI's in Vietnam were first called this
He was gaslighting at first when he kept saying he couldn't hear (because he wanted the auditor to lower his face covering), then says calm down, stop shouting
@@mijimonmaster Which means he was lying, and that's a discipliary matter. Section 1, code of ethics.
Walking out in public is like negotiating our way across a giant chessboard - out of nowhere these pieces appear and attempt to restrict our progress.
Credit where it’s due, the motorcycle guy was spot on in the way he handled the situation. If more officers watched and learned from this interaction the public/police relationship in general would start to improve. Just my 2p worth….
Did the copper accuse the Auditor of getting agitated because he was frustrated by failing to get him to remove his face mask?
There was a time not so long ago, that NOT wearing a mask would have gotten him into trouble. How ironic...
@@mayshusalmighty7858 I was thinking the same thing.
FILMING IN PUBLIC IS AN OFFENCE UNDER THE TERRORISM ACT? They'd better arrest the google camera vehicle driver as well as the apple camera camera vehicle driver.
The jails will be overflowing with all the tourists just from London alone!!!
That’s everyone with a phone
And every msm reporter, all council cctv operators, sped cameras, police body worn, dash-cams, shop security, idiots can’t think that it’s the same law which allows their security cameras also allow public photography
SERIOUSLY! Since when is filming in PUBLIC an offence!!! WOWSERS!!! Nice one TGA, keep up the great work, stay safe out there buddy 💪👊
Thanks Toxic, the Met always seem to think it is
How many cameras drove by during the making of this video?
Never walk away while the police are still in the area. The embassy now thinks the police chased you of. Stay for a while after the police have left.
Trouble here is, the security call the police, the police turn up and you end up leaving. The security thinks they've won. It doesn't matter what conversation you have with the police, you need to stick around after the police leave, otherwise you're not accomplishing anything.
When security calls police for your legal activity, put in your allegations of alarm, harassment & distress for him following you in public off of his secure area of patrol
the cop says he cant hear him - and when TGA speaks up he tells him to calm down - these are the games they play
Why is it their security is not either Dutch or British? Their knowledge of English law and language is sadly lacking. According to his boss photography cannot be regard as terrorism. Do all tourists get hassled like this?
They rarely speak English and seem to have learnt the phrase "NOT ALLOWED" off my heart. A long way from bright seems to be the only must-have requirement.
This first interaction with PLOD was a typical example of PLOD falsely aggravating the situation. He obviously tried to get you to lower your mask under the guise that he couldn't hear you, and then when you speak up for him he accuses you of getting agitated and asks you to calm down.
At no point were you not calm.
I don't remember the Dutch looking like that
😂😂😂 we're next I'm afraid to say😅
28:13 "In the modern day" of WIDESPREAD PUBLIC PHOTOGRAPHY!
He cant be that scared for a security issue with hands in pockets..........
Scary thing is, if a Diplomat came out and shot you through the head, old bill comes, he flashes his Diplomat card..Diplomatic immunity..old bill bugger off, nothing they can do...
They can make them PNG. Also, NL might well revoke his immunity for something like that…
Not entirely true; as the other respondent says that immunity can be revoked.
Deported and permanently banned not to mention political upheaval
@yourt00bz😂
That officer was terrific! I can see why he is in a higher position, he completely de-escalated the situation, and loved the line that his mouth is his best weapon! The problem in this scenario and many others are the call handlers that are not educated and should be trained to investigate by asking questions to discover if any offenses are being committed before sending police out.
COP - "Have we met before"
CITIZEN - "No"
COP - "The how do I know you're not a terrorist".
How often they love to throw around the word terrorist.
didn’t see many real dutch people hanging around there.
Under section 58 it is an offence to collect or make record of information that could be used in planning a terrorist attack. However;
Subsection 3A however, provides a valid defence "if the person at the time did not know, and had no reason to believe that the document or record in question contained, or was likely to contain, information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, or if the record was for the purposes of carrying out work as a journalist, or academic research".
So the copper was chatting bollocks, basically. Unless you're knowingly carrying out "hostile reconnaissance" as they like to refer to it, then they've got no reason to stop you.
Tells you that he can't hear you so you'll speak louder.
Then plays the "Calm down" card.
Shame the Police can't protect the British public from Terrorists
I repeat myself, will never go to Britain... as a tourist, i don't want to be bullied because I take picture... WHAT A STRANGE COUNTRY.
its the same in America and other places too. They go mad when a camera is out
That constable was very patronising, luckily he tried to be professional, he just wasn't very good at it initially by the way he was talking at the start of the interaction
Section 58 says nothing of the sort and this police officer should be disciplined for suggesting such.
Trouble they are legally allowed to lie to the public, even encouraged. And they wonder why the public have less faith and trust in their integrity each day.
@@sbh344 yes the police lie to get you to self incriminate
They are no allowed to lie according to their policing principles, honesty, integrity etc.
@@clementkirkpatrick4635 Morally they shouldn't lie but legally they can. In interrogations they often tell the suspect they have evidence that proves their guilt and they don't,hoping they
get a confession.
Never understand where they get the idea that filming in public is against the law. London of all places the most camera place in England then try to incriminate it.😮
They tried every dirty trick, take your mask off, calm down etc etc
That’s nice Wayne Cousins colleagues turned up 😳
S58 is an interesting card for them to pull…
The cop bested you,he shamed you, it wouldn't happened to AB....
Nothing more valuable than an unemployed do-nothing with his fat ass firmly planted on the couch offering his unsolicited opinion. Even more so when the opinion is as stupid and nonsensical as this one. Thanks for contributing!
Did not!
If that many police can turn up for a man legally filming in public them the PM AND HOME SECRETARY are wrong we do have enough police , enough for cameras enough for traffic speed checks enough to search people when they feel like it just need one of two more to deal with solving burglaries act ( silly me there's no profit in burglaries )
Quite possibly the most reasonable copper ever to star in an audit. Unbelievable well done!
No he was a mo-on with his terrorism and calm down bullsh-t.
Your doing a great job. The more we can stop this not allowed bollocks, we have a chance to stop this nonsense.
If they suspected terrorism was afoot, I would start yelling “ Terrorism Alert”. “ Evacuate the area immediately “. I would yell it over and over for all to hear.
As a Dutchman, I am happy to see our embassy is so well guarded. Even an innocent man with a camera acting legally is being treated like a huge risk.
Good for distracting security away from the genuine risk eh?
@@dcarbs2979 LOL, what risk?
@@dantealighieri9540 An *actual* terrorist doing covert work.
So you think its correct that your Embassy contacts armed police because totally innocent British person is taking photos of their embassy , I think that being paranoid and cowardly and you are as well , hope your Embassy gets a large bill for wasting police time..
The observation that 'you are shaking' is a deliberate, regularly used comment to belittle you, and hint that they believe they are scaring you.
The attempt to diminish you by saying you were shaking is a classic attempt to gain the dominant position, implying you are fearful and in that possibly guilty of whatever nonsense they’re about to conjure up. The answer of course is it’s just adrenaline and they don’t need to worry themselves about it. They, after all, are armed with pistols whilst you by contrast are armed solely with a camera, your wits and an understanding of the law.
Just shut them down by telling them you have Parkinsons or MS.
Turn the tables........
Did a man with a gun on his hip tell you how intimidating your camera was? Did I see that?
In the wrong job should try ring a lolly pop man😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A big embassy for a little country. The well spoken DAPG motorcycle cop I believe may actually work for the security service. Not all police officers are police officers.
Is that not harassment? Being stalked in public?
If you go around filming sensitive sites expect the occupants to get anxious and call the Police, then be prepared to allow them to search you, 'just in case' and because having now been called to the scene and the law suggests that they can you can expect them to do their usual; 'subject the public to all possible sanctions and impositions thing' because it's repressive, (maintains 'public order') and promotes a culture of subordination to The Institutions of The State, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY MYOPICALLY SEE AS BEING THEIR PRIMARY FUNCTION! Upholding your rights occupies a much lower priority if any at all!
Don't give them any excuse to handcuff you and if you don't and they do then make a claim for injuries to your personal rights.
Officer Chud immediately tried to escalate things, claimed he "could find you suspicious" under the Terrorism Act, before admitting that he "understands what you're doing" as "we get a lot of auditors".
"I can't hear you through your mask" followed by "could you calm down 'mate', there's no need to shout" is sufficient grounds for a complaint in and of itself. I hope you've submitted one. No quarter for tyrants!
Exactly, he was a disgrace. I think he slowly realised that he needed to start behaving himself because you were filming him. If he wasn't being filmed, I expect he had have abused his powers. Scumbag.
A very reasonable policeman, you cannot say otherwise.
I will say otherwise, because he was condescending and belittling to TGA.
The officer seems to be suggesting that he can determine if you're a terrorist or not by simply having a conversation with you. I'm unfamiliar with how terrorism works. Is there some kind of terrorist code of conduct that says they cannot speak with police? Is that how the officer can determine whether you're a terrorist or not? Will you speak with me yes. Okay you're not a terrorist. Will you speak with me no. Terrorist!
Are there classes or something that I can sign up for so I can make these complicated assessments just like this officer? Because the ability to discern whether someone was a terrorist or not simply by speaking to them is a skill I would very much like to possess.
One of my neighbors had laryngitis last week and now I'm seriously suspecting that he has ill will towards the country. And now that I think about it I do believe I've seen him take photographs before also. He was photographing his car and his flower bed, just exactly like a terrorist would do.
That copper was brilliant, first time I’ve seen him shut you up , with the law , you both where brilliant 😮
Thought he was a bit of a patronising constable 😂
@@clementkirkpatrick4635 not really, he could stopped and search him , didn’t, done his job by seeing what he was up against, and went , just what all the auditors , want the police to do , and that is stop abusing there powers , , you sure we was watch the same audit ??????????
Don't you just enjoy being told by people who are not indigenous to the country what you are allowed to do in public, in your own country. Beyond bizarre how they simply walk up to the public and start spouting krap, the sheer amount of ignorance, ego and power tripping on display!
I'll give him a bit of credit for telling the others to get back in the van. But I really hate the 'why are you shaking?' line, and from anyone. People shake for many reasons! Mainly medical!
What an arrogant and patronising cop from the diplomatic unit (passive aggressive also springs to mind). I’m surprised the auditor actually told the cop he appreciated how polite he was. How absolutely ironic that the cop says it’s ‘intimidating’ having a camera in his face, when he turned up on blues and twos, he also has a camera and is mob handed with firearms (you couldn’t make it up☹).
I am also surprised how many people commented on how polite the cop was?
When they shout Not Allowed, you should whisper quietly Not Aloud 😂🎉
That servant at 22mins was acting like a terror
They are exempt from just about everything , even paying tax on the £100000 grand D cars,what a joke. Not to mention all the traffic fines.
I've heard it all TGA filming in public a terrorism offence. Not allowed lol. Doesn't it make you want to laugh. Good vid again TGA.
They don’t look Dutch.
I love it when they say “ You have to appreciate “. - actually I don’t cocker , I appreciate what I want to appreciate .. not what anyone tells me I must appreciate
22:41
He suspects you of being a terrorist in seconds but a dude in Nottingham who stabs multiple people……the police aren’t sure….😡😡😡😡
No "Display" of professionalism from that security operative! But he wasn't slow in "Displaying" his arrogance!!!
OVERT Filming in public is NOT grounds for section 43, hes a liar
He's in the Police. He'd be a very rare exception if he wasn't.
Always with that "Not allowed"...😆
Tell him he's not allowed to follow you 🤷♂️
The Dutch are usually a pretty down to earth bunch, but there is always Pratt!
lol its a bit intimidating having a camera in your face he says while having one on his shoulder also being intimidated by a camera imagine how intimidated he would be if he had to confornt a real terrorist
Two armed old bill turned up on bikes to confront a ‘terrorist’ suspect and take FOUR minutes to comb their hair and adjust their lipstick before they confront him..! 😂😂😂
What a reasonable Eivel Knievel never thought I would see one from the MET/ My Flabber is ghasted
On this occasion I am confused how TGA and others have described the cop’s interaction as ‘polite’, because his was oozing arrogance and his approach was patronising. The cop with a camera and a gun felt intimidated by TGA’s camera? He said he didn’t know who the TGA was (who was legally taking photos in public). He also unlikely knows the thousands of people who take pictures of Parliament, downing street, Buckingham Palace etc every day?
He was very polite, he explained why they were called and provided perspectives this auditor couldn't knock.
@@rw5217 I’m assuming you are on a wind up, but you nearly had me going😁.
I am old enough to remember when London had English people.
Mr mind games has an interesting way about him doesn’t he? Oh the body language cues are interesting too. 👀🧐😎😜
The biggest brain award goes to PC;
"i cant hear you very well because of your face mask" *talks louder* "okay, do you want to calm down a little bit for me"
WOW! He actually said "You've got to mitigate the fact that I suspect you as a terrorist."
I have no idea what the laws are on that side of the pond, but in the US, the police have to PROVE you've done something wrong, we don't have to prove our innocense.
Scottish biker cop must have just transferred from Police Scotland, he still has the attitude that's allowed up here.
22:30 he's winding you up mate and you went for it.
Glad it’s not just me who saw it for what it was, because I’m amazed how many people (including TGA) have commented on what a good cop the obnoxious cop was?
@@PeterPiper-j8t we see a lot of that in these kinds of videos because the bar for good policing is set so low. I'm glad someone else has spotted it.
"He didn't force ID so he's a good cop". No ya goofball, he already knows who the auditor is because he runs up to the police begging to talk to them as soon as they arrive. He's in their database so they don't need to ID him.
The attitude of the cops on arrival goes like this. We'll calm the guard down, give this 'auditor' his content, wind him up a bit and play him for a fool for those that are paying attention, then be on our way.
If the 'auditor' ever says where he's going next they wouldn't even turn up, they'd just phone it in. "We know who that is, just ignore him and he'll go away."
No content, no clickbait titles, nothing. It's the same schtick every video. "I'm allowed to record in public and I'm allowed to be a nuisance, it's not against the law"
"Of course you are and nobody is stopping you. Just don't make any mistakes because we'll be there if you do."
I've seen a number of auditors suddenly stop for no apparent reason. And I've seen some delete all of their videos. Mistakes are very expensive.
For TGA to be lead around with his emotions like that I'm surprised he hasn't made mistakes before.
@@CH3FFI3 I also wondered why TGA felt it necessary to approach the police and ask if they’ve been called for him, because I would rather he said nothing and not engaged with them until they approached him. Agree with regards the cop is good because he didn’t ask for ID, but is interesting how so many comments on this video were suggesting how nice he was and how polite when he was belittling and patronising. As you say few cops aren’t now aware of audits, and many regularly watch them, especially being there are now so many to watch.
One of my favourite auditors to watch is focus Pocus because he is very confident and knows his stuff and takes control without grovelling or being unnecessarily stroppy like some auditors are, but unfortunately he rarely uploads any videos.
@@PeterPiper-j8t I hear ya. Not sure if I seen any Focus Pocus I'll go and check it out.
The commenters are as repetitive as the videos so it's become an echo chamber. It's ironic that the police study the auditors but the auditors don't study the police. One is advancing faster than the other.
I watch a lot but would be hard pressed to name a handful of good ones who know what they're doing. There's some absolute spanners trying to 'audit' now because it's so lucrative. But I'm beginning to believe it's a phase that is going to burn itself out or someone is going to munt it completely and there will be a backlash.
Perhaps an agent provocateur will be organised. You can be sure MI6 are looking at it closely. It's a shame because it has a lot of potential to teach the public about the world they live in. All it's managed to do is annoy a few NPCs.
@@PeterPiper-j8t yeah you're absolutely right Focus Pocus has got it figured it out. They can't get anything past him.
POLICE:
*surrounds person with armed officers*
POLICE:
WHY ARE YOU SHAKING?
Apart from the terrorist lie, old bill were surprisingly good.
Auditor's should go in droves to support this officer(at the end), and bring their threat level to 1-2....lol, what a joke....
I’ve been waiting for a very long time for a video title like this to come up - it makes me wonder if they are going to change the law to make this a reality and if this will catch on in other countries like my native Republic of Ireland, not just here in the U.K. - the only difference being that in Ireland the Gardai would arrest and detain people under the public order act or the (amended) Irish mental treatment act
Clearly the police knew there was no risk and took their time. Ir they were waiting on Wayne cousins who used to work in that section
Freedom to photograph and film
"Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel." - MET police website
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 19
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." (Photography is a form of expression)
Their terrorism ACT states police have to have reasonable grounds (that has to come from a person of reasonable judgement, which police can never be as they are looking for arrests) that you ARE a terrorist, not because they think you may be aka opinion. And human rights crap all over acts aka man made rules, especially gaslighting constables trying their best to antagonise you
My man was good, but only because he wanted to look so. He’s going to be doing those eybrow-raised-eyes-closed smug facial expressions when his bosses tell him what a good boy he was, and he’ll thrive off the buzz he will feel every time he see’s another copper acting the giddy goat. Oh, he'll buzz off that shiz for years. But I deeply believe it was a smart ruse by an intelligent man. I hope to god he was genuine, but I’m in disbelief.
The cop was as sincere as a used car salesman😁
@@PeterPiper-j8t perfect analogy 👊🏾
At least it isn't "Double Dutch" where filming in The Netherlands is concerned!!!
It’s totally bizarre because the Dutch government has totally collapsed as well
Feelings police again start going by the law. Stop being woke but not the worst confrontation.
TGA must be 5 years old the way that cop spoke to him. Patronising.
How do we know they are not terrorist as they are from the met police department?
Your authorization comes from the UK Government....they make the laws.
Carful if you have a dog under control on a lead trigger happy
"Where do you want me to stand"?
"How about Birmingham? Fark hoff!!
1st thing out of his mouth is terrorism! Shocking behaviour
WHAT A WASTE OF POLICE TIME. a better vetting of999 calls where the operator informs the caller that FILMING IN PUBLIC IS NOT A CRIME would be better.
Do they engage with every one photographing Downing Street or Buckingham palace? Their logic is flawed.
He is committing an offence under the Private Security Industrial 2001 Section 9(e) His MUST have his SIA badge on display at ALL times as required by his licence conditions otherwise his could be prosected and serve six months imprisonment and a large fine for him and the company. Nobody is exempt from GDPR as Dutch Government is within the EU and all the rules apply and should be reported to the Information Commissar Office (ICO). The Human Rights Act also apply in the Netherlands. They remit does not extend to the public highway.
decent copper, very polite and most importantly..he didn't talk down to you and he knew the law...he also showed consideration towards your alarm at being surrounded by armed coppers who jumped out that van , he ordered them back in the van which totally de escalated the situation....I'll give him ten out of ten for professionalism actually. As far the embassy security staff? Not much to say about them really, but wasting police time comes to mind.
Do the S.I.A. train anyone that knows laws or the English language, and they have no authority outside their place of work. For a change the motorbike cop did a great job of telling the van thugs to back off.
Take this harassment further because you need to report it. Like get away with it so much now they do it all the time.👍