Unlocking the Old Testament Part 28 - Job 1
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2015
- David Pawson warns against quoting verses out of context because, in a book such as Job, you may be quoting one of Job’s friends when they were wrong about what they said. God eventually showed that they were wrong. “That’s why it’s so important to know a whole book”, says David. This is an unusual book and David looks at the possibilities of how it came to be recorded. Job is indeed a factual person, known about outside the scriptures and the land of Israel. David believes that the author has taken the true story of Job and written it up in poetic form, bringing out the real issues he was facing. This book presents an answer to some of life’s biggest questions: Why is there pain and suffering? Why do good people endure it, and bad people escape it? Does God care about it? This is one of the books that reveals what is happening in heavenly realms so that we can make sense of what happens on earth. We can learn some valuable lessons from Job. David says, “It’s not finding the answers to your questions, it’s getting to the point in your relationship to God where you don’t need them.” .
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I heard my first David Pawson message in 1975. I was 17 years old then. Then I met him face-to-face about 20 years ago. I'm 63 years old now & I'm still listening to his teachings.
What a wonderful privilege you had to meet David pawson in person I would have loved to had that wonderful privilege I certainly was one of a kind wonderful man of God
Awesome. I wish I could have met him. I know I will be listening to his teaching for the rest of my life. He is a true pillar in the faith.
I knew David and family well. Went to Israel with him and Enid in 1979 😊
I heard him about 10 years ago. Bought several publications of his including unlocking the Bible. Introduced to several. They all have great appreciation. I also continue listening. Incomparable are his introductions
@joyardley1742 you are privileged
You may have left us, but your work will be assisting Christians for years and years to come. Thanks David.
Amen! RIP x
Amen ! 🙏🏻🥀
Yes.
Glory to God for giving us this precious man to help us understand His word
Amen! And shall will meet him in The Kingdom by The King of kings Will!
I discovered David Pawson when a friend told me that it was so sad what he passed away, I come from a only spanish speaking country and I had no idea of him until that year I think it was 2020 or 2021, but the thing is, I cannot stop listening to him since I discovered him. I may not agree with everything he says but I love the way he teaches, his zeal his authority, how clear he is to explain everything. He really makes me want to read the bible, again, so I am doing that, and I am following along with the videos. I just discover that this video was recoded in February 1995, I was 20 years old at that time and I didnt know english. I am so glad the Lord taught me how to speak english so today I can listen to this gems. Thanks to the ministry, please keep doing what you are doing, you may not see the fruit of your efforts here but sincerily it is changing lives around the world.
I’m curious as to what you don’t agree with? Not attacking at all, just wondering. May God our father bless you, Chinita!
Thank you God for this Bible teacher
Satan can’t hurt you unless God gives him permission.
Thank you for this
David Pawson's Bible series are such a blessing as I journey thru the Bible!
Beautiful teaching. הללויה
A great man , full of God's wisdom. Unfortunately for me I came to England the year he died and couldn't see him. But I have a full assurance that I will see him in the Lord's presence ....
David pawson, I can't stop to thank you for your effort to explain every book of the Bible... I enjoy listening every book you preach from the Bible... We will remember you always...
Summer 2022 and bless by this teaching, after reading the book of Job. Thank you Lord! Glad David Pawson's teachings were recorded. Praise The Lord!
I love this series!!
Keep this man on RUclips! This is my third time through his talks [2] on Job. Just great professionalism and wisdom.
Smart .... deep... and timeless .
Good stuff.
Thank you lt. D. Pawson with clarity and back ground research made the Bible real --with real people., who had interacted with our God and Jesus christ and have made the Bible people worthy to study and included in the holy book
Every one needs repentance before God!
love the video, and love to listen it again and again......... we love you- David Pawson. May God blesses you & your family.
Amen!!Thanks be to God.
What a beautiful explanation on the book of Job
Thank you for teaching me the word of God so many years ago.
thank you so much! may God bless his, with His presents of his holy Spirit, in His body!
Great bible expositor
I appreciate the message very much, but I believe that the Book of Job (and the rest of the Bible) is the precise and literal truth. "Faction", or "Factual Fiction" is not how I read the book. David Pawson questions when and how it was recorded, and whether Job and his friends spoke in elegant poetic speech. He states that people typically don't speak in fully-formed poetry. This is true, but the poetry in Job isn't like modern poetry with rigid rhymes and meter. This is poetry of ideas, and much easier for a trained mind to compose extemporaneously. As to who wrote it down, I believe it was divinely revealed to the author, in whatever form and at whatever time.
I've been reading my Bible (start to finish) and I recently made my way through Job. I found it difficult to understand as I was reading. I immediately remembered these sermons and sought out this video so I could gain some clarification.
We need only holy spirit to understand what are the wills of God throughout the bible!
Thanks God.
I’m quite sure the New Testament writers didn’t regard the story of Job as fictionalised in any way or artificial because the Apostle Paul actually quotes the companion of Job - Eliphaz - in 1 Corinthians 3:19 to support the things he wrote to the Church in Corinth.
Thanks you 😇🇬🇧
God is the centre of this universe not human! The problem is human beings are falling because of willward
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I wish more of these comments were about the video
I think calling it a wager , is a bit strong . But my word this is great teaching. K
It's a competition, correct
There is a whole branch of philosophy dealing with the problem of suffering, called 'theodicy'. I think the answer is that God accomplishes through this evil world things that couldn't otherwise be accomplished. I've made a couple of videos elaborating this.
For the first of these, see ruclips.net/video/x3iY3HhXirE/видео.html
My own brother said this to me. He said that because of some obscure verse in the Bible (that I'm pretty sure was taken far out of context and was not God's word.) That because I did not scream, it was not rape. And since I had not confessed my sin of sexual immorality I was sinning before God and that's why I was suffering. I never did tell him I could not have screamed. And our relationship has never recovered.
Hi Martha we understand the pain you have experienced - Rape is every situation where you do not consent to having sex . The verse may be Deuteronomy Chapter 22 vs 24 and if so, your brother is completely misquoting the verse. The context is about marriage violations and in fact its about when divorce is permitted its definitely NOT about rape !
If we can help you in any way please email us conact@davidpawson.net we will get a very caring, older lady to try to assist you and pray with you that the Lord may heal you of your pain
Let us please not forget Enoch from the book of Enoch as one of the most righteous men to live. Only he and Elijah never died and were taken to heaven.
Amen!
@@martinmartin6300 The book of Enoch was actually in the Bible at one point then they took it out. So the question is, why was it taken out? Did God make a mistake putting it in? Or did man make a mistake taking it out? You decide. God read it and see.
As a fellow Christian that is very grateful for David Pawson and his ministry, i should point out that his assessment of the accuser (Satan) is inaccurate. The enemy of GOD was not an angel reporting humanity's sins in Job's time, he was already the serpent that had tempted Adam and Eve in Eden before the history of Job.
@@martinmartin6300 No, because angels of GOD don't tempt people to sin against HIM. So the serpent in the garden of Eden is the accuser of man in the story of Job, and therefore already a fallen angel.
@@martinmartin6300 well, when David mentions the accuser as an angel, he is somewhat correct because there are only 2 kinds of Angels, and David did'nt specify which kind, so i'm assuming he meant 'fallen' angel.
27:10 "Proverbs are generally true, not always true" but how are we suppose to have known that??!! He uses Proverbs 3:5,6 as an example but when we conclude its "generally true" then we're totally leaning upon our own understanding. It's not poetry or purely written allegorically so how are we expected by God to be able to properly differentiate? There's a great deal subtlety there
33:50 "he got thru to the point where he didn't need an answer to his question. And that's really the point of peace; it's not finding the answer to your questions but it's getting to the point in your relationship w Gpd that you don't need them"
Please I need further explanation on how the devil was an accusing or prosecuting angel...Was this before he fell or after?
Isaiah 14:12-16. Ezekiel 28:13-19. Job 1:6-12
26:45 "It's in God's word but it isn't God's word" bc the Bible records men's opinions-remarkable distinction
27:01 Interesting take that the book of proverbs is not "the book of promises" and that prov3:5,6 may not happen all the time. A fascinating concept that could perhaps be true but if one believes I enough I think one could dramatically shift if not completely that outcome
32:10 Addresses the idea that if you're sick then you sinned. Its another fascinating point but it given our society's present condition most probably of are sick bc of sin but this one of the crucial pressing issues of Job
Well now...
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I love David but disagree with the assessment of Satan as becoming cynical as its not biblical. There are things we don't know so let's not guess.Additionally, can God not do anything so why can't the book of Job be literal. If Genesis is to believed why not Job? Could God not have given Job's friends the gift of speech?
Sorry why does god need a reporting angel if he is omnipresent? This does not make sense to me!
And if God knows everything about us good, bad and ugly but only Satan reports and he is not omnipresent then how would God know everything about us that is bad? Could u elaborate on this pls
Good question.
Remember God is God of order, and also work...Adam was to tend the Garden not sit around all day.
We were and Angel's created to serve...and to serve God...so everybody has a job to do.
That's why. That why God sends his Angel's to do his work.
Even at the End. Everybody has a job and function in Heaven..
God shares this to us. It's a blessing
Good question. Let me answer it with another question.
Why do we ask small children to do things for us? When we can them ourselves? Its for relationship and to teach them something
Angels have but one choice obey or rebel, humans have the same choice.
Remember when God asked Adam who told him he was naked? God knew, God knows, God know. But I did wonder too, it is one thing to ask Adam, it is another to have a reporter.
The whole point of the Book of Job is that Job was right and The Lord admitted it right in the face of his friends. David says something important in the lecture. "Weak". Look for it. I don't agree with the term as there are much better terms. Also, satan in Old Testament is not the Satan we know, for "satan" just means "prosecutor". Try to correlate prosecutor (the DA say) and "weak".
Yes Satan is the antagonist, the slanderer or accuser, Jesus is the defendant, the creditor or protagonist
Watch the second part, touches on this.
He has a fundamental misunderstanding of how inspiration works. No one had to record it as things were said just like the apostles didn’t. The Holy Spirit gives them the facts. The original wording of the men may not have been poetic but we have the essence of what was said
Two words about brilliant faction - The Chosen
No is not, is blasphemous, promoting catholicism which is a false religion and produced by mormons. Please do not be deceived, stop watching. May God guide you to The Truth.
If you want to get to a real understanding of the Book of Job, then I recommend you listen to all six-parts of the RUclips series by John Pople 'To Speak Well Of God'; here is the link: ruclips.net/video/P51gUjKwZ1Q/видео.html
I enjoy listening to David Pawson, and have benefited from much of what he has said, but I disagree with his teaching of the Trinity, and he does not understand what the Devil/Satan/Serpent represent.
The clue to understanding the Devil/Satan/Serpent is to recognize the association with human nature and the use of personification as a literary style of writing.
There is only one thing that is enmity with God, and is spoken of by the Apostle Paul and it is; the carnal mind. This is the battle and the victory Jesus won to overcome the carnal mind. That is why Jesus had to be a man and could not be God. In the Kingdom of God, the carnal mind will no longer exist in those who have been resurrected and given immortal bodies. This is why, Gods Holy Angels cannot sin; it is an oxymoron to think that immortal beings can ever sin. The Adamic nature which was created by God. had the freedom of choice, hence when tested, the carnal mind was within Adam and Eve to have the propensity to sin. God's plan is explained in the parable of 'The Wheat and Tares' told by Jesus. Hence in the Kingdom of God, there will be only righteousness.
-_- how can he say satan was originally an angel that reported sins when satan was the one who caused the first humans to commit the first sin in the first place🤦♂️ Pawson has some good thoughts a lot of the time but the "god is dead" "faction" and "policeman satan who became cynical" claims are 🚮
HI Chris you do raise an interesting point but firstly where did David say ''god is dead''?
I cannot find that one in the transcript or any other talk David has delivered
We agree it was Satan who caused humans to sin in the first place and David does not say anything to contradict that
Also I cannot find any reference to ''Policeman Satan''
But your statement has caused me to read Job again
- ''One day the Angels came to God to present themselves''
So God holds meetings with the Angels and holds them to account where have they been and He asked Satan ''where have you been?''
God then invited Satan to report back on what he thought of 'HIS servant Job'' ?
- God considered Job blameless and upright a man who fears GOD
David is saying God gave Satan permission to report back anything that Job could be blamed for ........(chapters 1 and 2).
God even gave permission to Satan to try and cause Job to fall
At the start of Chapter 2 God again invites Satan to report back on ''HIS servant Job
Satan repeatedly goes out trying to cause Job to sin so he can report back Jobs failings .......... but Job refuses to yield to temptation
Try as he may Satan tries to cause Job to sin timed time again and fails ...and in my opinion the book of Job portrays Satan as cynical
David does not refer to ''Policeman Satan'' but uses the analogy with a Christian Policeman who may find it hard to believe anyone is really good
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which you can easily become cynical. It's
very hard being a Christian policeman; you
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see so much of the bad side of human nature,
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cynical that you can't believe anybody's really
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@@DavidPawsonMinistry I appreciate the response. I want to state that I appreciate the work David Pawson has done and I do believe that he means well but this is exactly why these little misunderstandings need to be corrected/addressed.
He mentions the "god is dead" stuff several times during the this Old Testament study. I did not make a note of all the instances but if you check the very first video (Part 1) of this playlist you will hear him at around the 17 minute mark. God Is Always the Living God. He's the One and Only Living God, so saying that "God is dead" is never acceptable, no matter how one tries to spin it around.
Secondly, in reference to the satan stuff. David basically claims satan was not always cynical and only became so because he was tired of seeing so many humans sinning. That's just not true at all. Satan was the one who tempted humanity to sin in the very first place.
He was not a good officer who got jaded from watching us fall short, he was an enemy to humanity from the very beginning and his challenge to God was an attempt at making Job lose favor with God so that he may lose grace and then curse God instead of praising Him. He was basically trying to ruin the loving relationship that God and Job had so that Job may lose salvation/life. Essentially the same goal that he had with Adam and Eve and Jesus and with every other person that he ever tried to tempt away from God.
Sin separates us from God and the wages of sin is death. God is Salvation/Life. This means that he who causes others to sin is a Thief and a Murderer. And that's exactly why Jesus says "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy"
These things matter and are important for having a proper understanding of Scripture/Reality
Boo!
I've watch all of the talks up till now, and I've liked all of them except this one.. Devil is not spiritual, What? Pawson is saying he is an Angel but not spiritual... What? He cant be in multiply places at once, what??!! God asked if the devil has seen Job along his way doesn't mean the devil is in one place at a time. The devil is not a horned monster that goes around doing mischief. He is anti-truth, anti-Christ, and anti-God. His whole purpose is to lead people away from the truth which IS spiritual. The devil is everywhere, like a roaring lion, always looking for whom to devour!! So we must pick up our sword, shield, etc (truth) to be strong against the evil one.
theBaronofPacific you are incorrect my friend. Satan can only be at one place at a time but he has also a legion of demons who do his works. Only God can be everywhere at one time. No angel or demon can do this.
Only 1/3 of the angels fell with Satan , therefore there are two angels to protect us from each demon . K
David did not say that Satan is not spiritual , he sais that he is a creature and therefore cannot be omnipresent . Its a different distinction. We are spiritual too. But we also have bodies . Humans are a little lower than the angels at the moment . K
@@katharinedavis4947 love a woman who knows her scripture.😉
Why? Are women generally not good with the word?