The new PSA - H&R XM177E2 Vietnam era rifle!
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Harrington and Richardson, or H&R, is an old name if American small arms manufacturing. PSA bought the brand name and has started making replica rifles like this XM177E2.
#xm177e2 #m16 #vietnam
The Colt SP-1 was my first AR. I was in 7th grade (1986) and begged my dad everyday . He told me if I came up with the money he would buy it for me. I mowed grass all summer for 5 bucks a yard. Saved up 500 bucks. Dad found me one used from an LE officer for 450 !!! Lol.
Still have my colt SP-1 preban
really good gun
@@MegaRedspade7th grade, he was probably about 13 years old.
@@StinkyGringorules are meant to be broken. 😅
I too got one in 86, but I was 17. Worked full time and a part time job during that summer. I was already signed up for the Army too at that point.
Dad is passed now so if the present administration would want to try something too late. But if you think thats bad , in 8th grade I took it to school for a "How to " demonstration in one of my classes. Of course had to store it in the principles office before and after. No one had FEELINGS back then. Lol
Palmetto dominating a niche market corner by doing the most radical thing possible: giving customers what they want
Except for the STG 44.
@Retrorigging it's supposed to come eventually, a clone like that is alot more work then these vietnam era AR15s. Gun development takes time
..imagine that...
If you build it, they will buy...
...but now the economy is shit and nobody can afford to buy anything.
@@Retroriggingwe're not gay enough to care about stg being late to the party. They are doing fine.
John Plaster spends some prose in his books talking about what a great weapon it was. He reached a point where he realized his suppressed Swedish-K wasn't getting the job done and promptly grabbed an XM-177 for MACV-SOG work.
Secret commandoes is a phenomenal read
I carried a Colt GAU-5 / XM177 for many years in the Air Force. I loved it. Loved the standard issue Model 604 too. Lighter than the A1.
I don’t suppose you ever saw a colt C607 carbine? Those things were like mini M16’s in the looks department. They just seem very cool to me.
I just got done building my GAU-5/A/A and it's a awesome little light and nimble carbine.
Luth-Ar slick side upper with no forward assist, Brownells 11½" 1-12 chrome lined barrel, Black Nitride m-16 bolt carrier, Aero stoned and polished milspec LPK, Essential arms aluminum CAR stock on M-4 6 position buffer tube, 4½" aluminum XM-177E2 flash hider pinned and welded. This thing shoots even softer than My Colt AR-15A2 lightweight 16" and M-4 Lightweight 16". At Test Firing I burned through 100 rounds before I knew it. No malfunctions just pure joy. I haven't had that much fun shooting a AR-15 in 35 years! The whole point of this build was to build a classic GAU-5 but with the modern coatings and finishes and all of the improvements that have come along since March 1967 when the first XM-177E2's were delivered to MACV-SOG in Vietnam. Now I'm trying to talk myself out of slapping a 37mm flare launcher under the barrel. I knew that adding that grenade ring was going to lead to temptation! Lol
I just got done building my GAU-5/A/A and it's a awesome little light and nimble carbine.
Luth-Ar slick side upper with no forward assist, Brownells 11½" 1-12 chrome lined barrel, Black Nitride m-16 bolt carrier, Aero stoned and polished milspec LPK, Essential arms aluminum CAR stock on M-4 6 position buffer tube, 4½" aluminum XM-177E2 flash hider pinned and welded. This thing shoots even softer than My Colt AR-15A2 lightweight 16" and M-4 Lightweight 16". At Test Firing I burned through 100 rounds before I knew it. No malfunctions just pure joy. I haven't had that much fun shooting a AR-15 in 35 years! The whole point of this build was to build a classic GAU-5 but with the modern coatings and finishes and a of the improvements that have come along since March 1967 when the first XM-177E2's were delivered to MACV-SOG in Vietnam. Now I'm trying to talk myself out of slapping a 37mm flare launcher under the barrel. I knew that adding that grenade ring was going to lead to temptation! Lol
@@celmer6 ahah omg I bet the urge to get the launcher is too much.
My Grandfather was in MAC-V SOG and I have a picture of him somewhere deep in the bush carrying one of these, so I've had sort of a fascination with those rifles and have always wanted one or a clone so I may just have to pick up one of these H&Rs now.
Post the evidence
H&R needs to bring back the break open .22 revolvers.
4 inch adj. Sights
I doubt it would happen. Mike Wettleland was brought in as CEO because of his experience in making detailed replicas of older M-16 models at Nodak Spud. NDS used to make a replica upper receiver which featured the forging flash left on like the older H&R M-16's.
Can you imagine the cost, lol? The Fudds would lose their minds.
Great video.
I had an A1 colt kit I bought years ago and got the H&R XM177E2 lower from PSA and put together my own using an 11.5 barrel.
Pinned and welded the correct faux moderator. Love the rifle.
I absolutely love Cold War era firearms, I’m definitely gonna get one of these
They even make a Colt 653 clone, which is probably the model used in Panama (Op Just Cause)
I love Cold War era guns too, so elegant, simple, stylish yet effective
COD black ops, best guns of any game. I couldn't agree more, same with MGS 3, Snake eater.
That gray anodizing looks so much better than the modern deep black finish that is now standard on most new receivers.
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nice
The absolute thing about this PSA offering is that it's NOT a troy!
Hey, I take offense to that. LOL
@@troylindstrand9619 You shouldn't, unless your name is Dale Monroe.
@lancekilkenny721 I will never own a troy product because of that man. Screw troy.
I picked up one of the PSA XM177e2s a couple months ago and love it
my grandpa fought in vietnam and we talked about his service rifle. He was an engineer, so he never really had to shoot that much, but he talked about the 3rd burst that his gun had. If he had the 20rd mags, he would only load 18, and if he had the 25rd mag, he would only load 24. I dont know to what extent he did this, if it was for range use or what-have-you, but I found it interested none the less.
This a common practice today as well. It’s ok soldier lore to reduce the possibility of stoppages.
Much easier to reload against a closed bolt if the mag is not at capacity. LE loads 30 rd mags to 28 rounds.
I was told 29 rounds in a 30 round mag in Afghanistan. It reduced the chance of a malfunction. The guy that taught me that deployed to Iraq.
The A1 M16 didn't have 3rd burst you liar. The A2 from the 1980s did.
The "3 round burst" was a mechanical wheel (gear) / paw set up, it did not reset if mag went empty. When the shooter did a reload and still on burst, it would only fire 1 or 2 rounds depending where the paw was at on the wheel (gear). By down loading the mags to a number divisible by 3 it was an easy way around this problem. The idea was a "quick fix" to slow down the amount of rounds fired / wasted (grunts would hold rifle above their cover to spray and pray in Nam) and try force better accuracy . - by the by disregard those that jump on any premise to "dis You or call You a liar" without knowing all the facts / conversations, makes them a troll and very little else :)
We made the slings from the strap on a GI 2 quart canteen. We used them on the M-60s it made carrying the Pig easier.
Not enough people are doing reviews of these H&Rs. I think you're gonna have to get all of them.
man PSA is killing it! Kinda wish they would chill out for a minute. I've basically handed them my last few paychecks💰, Seems like every week they come out with something new I just can't say no too! 🤯
I know the feeling, I figured out to search "blem" and it was all over for me
Yes, I almost need to block their website. 😂 I started buying from them when they were the new guys on the market. I've had great experience with them, I did a low buck AR from them over 10 years ago that I did close to the "filthy 14" shooting it, but unfortunately I didn't document, film and do a write up on it. Thousands of rounds with only lubrication, the lubrication was 10w30 synthetic oil with some 2 cycle oil in it. I'd run a chamber brush when changing to brass cases from steel cases and back. I shot many cases of ammunition though it.
@@DB-yj3qcStop making shit up
Reading the Vietnam Ranger/LRRP books as a teenager in the mid to late 90s, this was always my dream rifle. Should I ever move back to the US, this will be the first AR I get. I know there are better and more modern ones. But this is going to be it.
PSA's attention to detail really shines through here.
It's that autistic guy they hired, the Nodak Spud guy
Too bad QC is a dumpster fire
Finally someone posted a video on this rifle
I know!
crazy I thought the same, literally the only video. I ordered mine and when I get it im definitely making a video.
@@johnfisher8401 Waiting on that video brother
Great video , love the sling , looks like a great replica of the old days . I went thru basic with an H&R M16, it rattled from all the recruits pushed thru it. But, still able to score Expert , despite being cleaned , and shot literally hundreds of times over the years in the armory.
I would love to have an H&R replica 🇺🇸
Is PSA going to build a GAU 5? Great video as always thanks! Your the man!
My gau 5 upper just came in the mail today so I'm almost positive they do. My upper is considered a pistol and the have a XM177E2 lower. Go to their website shits pretty cool with all the retro stuff they have.
Another reason for lengthening the barrel from 10" to 11.5" was to mount a underbarrel grenade launcher. The XM203 was starting to be fielded and guys wanted to mount them on their little carbines instead of having to carry a full size M16
16:24 five hundred years into the future archaeologists will scratch their heads for references to the massive battle that took place at MAC Farm
Five hundred years in the future we are going to be cyborgs "shooting" hardlight replicas of these firearms along with an A.I. replica of Tim in an augmented reality as seen through our cyborg "eye's."
I have to say that is just amazing! The XM177e2 is one of my fav ar looks, along with the cold c607. If I lived in us I’d jump to get my hands on one of those.
I bought one of these about 5 months ago from Palmetto...I absolutely love it!!!.... Thanks Tim for doing a video on this sweet little shooter.
I really wish they could produce the LPK’s in the correct grey too instead of the black they make them in. Otherwise PSA is knocking it out of the park with all their new offerings.
Love it the old school stuff is the best
Awesome! This is my current build project. 👍
It’s good they have the coated aluminum buttstock.
I actually built one of these using the H&R lower and 2 position buttstock. My smith told me after pin and welding that he actually carried one of these as a Nike Missile site guard in the USAF. He told me he didn't recall the rubberized butt being as glossy as the repro is.
Was sent to Fort Sill, OK for basic training in 1981, and was issued a brand new H&R M16. My home town was just 14 miles from where they were made in Gardner, Ma...It doesn't end there, as my sister's husband's dad, worked at H&R and was involved with tooling them up to make the M16...My have to get that XM177E2
I got to carry a similar one on special posts back in 88-89. Had a 10 inch barrel but long flash hider. Much better then our old long nam era M-16’s.
The primary issue with the XM 177 ‘s in VN after ‘67 were magazines. There never were enough, good quality mags available.
The Colt proprietary 30-round "banana" magazine came out in 1965. It was fickle and didn't work with every Colt rifle or carbine.
The USGI 30-round "dogleg" magazine came out in 1970 and was scarce. The Marines didn't get them until a year later.
Heck, the 20 rnd magazines were still floating around the Army in late 80s. During some of my training, we would have a few 20 rnd magazines loaded with ball ammunition carried in butt pack or rucksacks. Interesting things that you could run into back then in S. Rainer and other places.
@@DB-yj3qcI was with 5/20 IN, 25ID at Lewis. Not uncommon to see lots of black bears while in the field, but they were fairly tame.
Love it! I bought one of their XM uppers. Functions great. Put the Brownells Colt scope on it too.
Can’t wait to get one! I had a Colt XM-177e2 back in the 80’s….wish I had never gotten rid of it.
This really hurts. If only PSA/H&R had released these legacy rifles a couple of years ago before my state's AWB I'd have given them a few thousand dollars of my money already.
PSA / H&R hit a home run with this! Thank you!!!
Mine is a Troy Industries clone. I love it.
I have the S-1 clone from PSA. love it. I sold my AR10 and bought an awesome Savage 99 in .308 in new condition.
XM 177 like the M14are engraved in my head❤❤ both
I built my own faux XM177E1 as a braced pistol using a PSA upper and lower with the 10.5" barrel and the muzzle device from Brownell's. Looks the part, absolutely love it - and then they release the "real deal" here.
Troy made those a few years ago & they were really popular. They were very popular too. Those seatbelt slings are nice, they don't dig into your shoulder like the standard ones. Good to see PSA keeping the retro market going. 👍🏻
So it is a myth that the muzzle device would make it sound more like an AK than an m16.
Thanks for the information
Nope. Heard one fired when I was stationed in Africa in 2010. USAF guys were doing qualifying
Muzzle device was to ensure more flash suppression so Charles didnt see you.
With the standard bird cage, the XM-177 will blow out your ear drums. They're extremely loud. The muzzle device definitely tames that noise. That's why it was adopted & considered a silencer in its original configuration.
Complete fudd lore akin to “.22LR will bounce around your skull.”
@@Rudyelf1 Well it will usually bounce once inside your skull. Its called a "Intracranial Ricochet" and has been documented in autopsies.
Looks like my old Bushmaster XM15E2S
Carried a GAU in the USAF for a bit (79'-80'). Never fired it. When Qualifications time came up, I was issued a M-16 (original model, no forward assist.) so I never heard what my GAU sounded like.
I have the H&R XM177E2 lower with the regular XM177E1 upper and a Turbo T3 silencer from YHM. whole system is a two stamp gun and runs great!!!!! Super short and fun to shoot at the range.
Shot mine at my memeber’s only range where for rifles, we have miniature C-zone steel from 100yds to 384yds. From a bag, no problem using the short range aperture and making consistent hits out to 250 yds. From there, used the L aperture out to 384. The front sight post’s tip is roughly as wide as the 250yd targets, and wider than the 384 yd targets. Those are a bit tricky to hit with moderate winds, but doable. I loved how I was the only shooter there shooting retro while others shot contemporary AR builds with Hubble telescope style optics, lol. On this range, my EoTech and 5x magnifier is plenty! Oh, I was shooting Winchester M193. Shoots well from the retro style 12-twist barrel!
While I regularly carried the original M-16 in the Air Force, I carried the XM while working with the Emergency Services Team. Fun times.
that flash hider works really well.
I was issued a Frankenstein "M16" in 1993 complete with an XM177 lower, full stock, A1 upper and M203. It went boom when needed so I guess there's that.
The strap comes from the 2-quart canteen cover. We used to make “jungle slings” just like this back in the late 80’s/early 90’s before all the “cool-guy” modern slings started to get issued.
I just want to touch on how stupid it is that moderators or modifiers are classes as suppressors. I would love to have an 11.5 or 13.5 barrel with a modifier on it.
The entire NFA is stupid!!
I was a Army 45b20 from 69 to 72 in a depot shop. I can say the the muzzle device worked. It cut the noise down to 20 inch barrel levels. Without the device, the noise was horrible. IMHO, this carbine was about the right size for the 5.56x45.
I did that with my Bushmaster AR-15 it has the Retro handle and I had the moderator put on it and it had to be welded and tapped to get the 16 in Mark but I love it
Just picked one up. Love it.
Recently bought an H&R 635 blemished upper from PSA. I've looked it over and can't find this blemish, needless to say I'm very impressed by H&R.
In our armoury is an XM-177. It has the long flash hider and no E1 or E2 markings. This is part of our Vietnam era bring back trophies.
My Dad carried CAR15 while in SOG . My Uncle was in Recon while with the 101st in ‘67. He didn’t like it compared to the M16. My Uncle said it was way too loud and the shorter sight radius didn’t work for him.
I had that config (Colt AR-15 Sport) .. The CMMG 22LR conversion was VERY accurate (surprisingly) and that Colt scope was surprisingly effective, even on most nights.
I love the CAR-15/XM-177E type AR and would love to own one.
H&r m1 garand replica would be awesome and keep these comming I’ve bought Mossberg retro cause they are the guns I love old style not tactical overload awesome job
Holy crap, I just finished building one of those out of my "gunshow" bin.
My father and every vet iv talked to with "technical" experience with that muzzle device all had a different answer to why. They all said it made it sound more like a AK.
That and suppressing the enormous fireballs that emanate from the barrel.
@@stevenclark7409 👍
It is just fudd lore. And one can’t question it as a jr enlisted. One that irked me was “slap the ping pong paddle to send the bolt home, because under stress your fine motor skills won’t work due to adrenaline.” No thanks, I will use my thumb. Funny, I could also change freq on the radio under fire. Tiny little buttons with a smush feel.
Olympic Arms used to make a clone named the 'SGW', it was the very first AR I bought back in 1979 and I still have it. 11.5" barrel with a permanent 5" flash suppressor, teardrop forward assist and an M16 selector/safety that had a steel pin to keep it from going 90 degrees to the rear. Very accurate for what it is but badly overgassed.
Interesting mine didn't have any pin to do that. I've definitely worn out a few disconnectors, triggers, and hammers in mine. But at the time the unit I was in had a some gray areas on things too. Even some of us PVT's could do then. 👍
I have a SGW!!
My dad just bought a Colt AR15 from 1967 for 4,000$. It’s amazing, in good shape and shoots well surprisingly. Surprised how little he paid for it being as early production it is.
Ill definitely have to pick up one of those H&R Rifles . Only issue , is there so many cool builds and variations, which one 😅 Great video .
They make a flash hider you can thread on to a 16inch barrel and make it look like it's a 11.5 with a long flash hider. It looks identical but gives the benefit of higher muzzle velocity
Colt does something similar with their GAU retro
They do make them and I have built a few rifles using them over the past 30 years. The steel models weigh around 8oz. the aluminum models weigh around 3oz. I recommend the aluminum because it doesn't Shift the balance point of the rifle forward to the muzzle as much. The neutral balance right at the trigger Gaurd and magwell is what made the originals so popular.
I bought a couple that I was going to use that way, but as you pointed out they are heavy compared to original ones.
bro just register a smaller one for the same price. who does that lmao
Other than 55 grains, is there an other bullet weight that works with the 1/12 barrel twist? That would be informative.
Yes I use 45gr Ballistic Tips in my GAU-5 for deer and varmints. It's more accurate than 55gr Ball with higher velocity and explosive expansion. It's clocking 3500fps out of my 20" XM-16E1. The first AR-15's had a 1-14 twist barrel and it works great with the lighter than 55gr projectiles too. I think that the DOD made a big mistake going with 55gr Ball. The DOD is pretty unoriginal and they always are pushing for a heavier bullet.
I believe you said there was no XM177. There was. It was the slick side 10". The XM177E1 was the 10" with forward assist. The XM177E2 was the 11.5" with forward assist. The GAU-5/A/A was the slick side 11.5".
Always informative… great content
My XM177ish clone is by far my favorite retro rifle. I really want to pickup a pencil barrel, when I built mine I could only find the heavier profile with the pinned faux flash hidder.
PSA should make a XM177/CAR 15 style variant that has the A1 upper but is same price as their basic build kits
I was a kid the first time I saw one of these and I immediately thought it was the coolest looking gun ever
I have the same clone and same scope and the scope doesn’t clear the carry handle sufficiently to actually zero it. Thoughts?
The Optic is now being produced by Colt with the Colt logo just a fyi about 300-400$
Bg deffence has them with any color carakote you want, they run around 1700 but you get the color furniture you want also, and id you dont k ow BG deffence makes great firearms period, there ARs are awesome,
Very nice replication! If you have the chance, I'd love to see you do a HBAR Colt compared to a modern 16 inch standard or chrome lined barrel. But keep up the fantastic work and I'm going to be checking the PSA site for sure.
The sound moderator did increase back pressure to the system but you are correct that it was not designed to do that
If I had one complaint I'd say the laser "rollmarks" like you mentioned in the video. I saw that the H&R DOE from this year's Shot Show has real stamped rollmarks. I'd gladly pay extra for them to be stamped. The lasered ones just look weird on a gray anodized lower.
This is a good gun model. It is still used by special forces of the Vietnam army today.
I carried a Colt GAU-5 in the USAF Mobility Flight in multiple countries. That’s a young me in Rwanda in my thumbnail.
I bet you have some great stories.
@@duck_rifle5879 a few, I try to remember the funny things & forget the rest. Kigali, Rwanda was absolutely nuts, a whole different level compared to Mogadishu, etc.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing
It's certainly been an interesting evolution for the AR-15 from the Colt 601 to the forward assist to the shell case deflector to the other small but beneficial changes.
I look at firearms from a Mechanical Engineering point of view with no sentimental attachment to any machine.
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So many people doggin' PSA and they are doing so much stuff that directly benefits us
Had an SP1, don’t have it anymore… still have my A2. 🤷♂️
For those looking it's a GP Strap
Rothco GP strap is the current manufacturer.
@@Rudyelf1 rothco can be ok. I'd buy surplus but glad they make em still
@@SaginawGS I could have sworn Rothco was OEM. Yeah, I like their new stuff since the triglide is plastic and thus quieter. Sucks that it is made in CHI-NAH
The original E3's flash suppressor was also a mini sound suppressor
Nice lookin rifle! I got no complaints...I dont have a PSA but the Smith and Wesson I got is one of the best ARs I have. It was one of the redeeming factors with me and S&W after the Hillarly Hole fiasco that is still on going.
how about a link or a description for the sling. I'm only seeing the original skinny canvas slings on ebay going for outrageous prices
Wow, amazing rifle and a great video. Do you have the eBay link for the strap?
Nice looking rifle!
That's a gorgeous rifle.
I have an original E2 stock with the original two position buffer tube sitting in a box.
I believe the muzzle device was designed to make the rifle sound like an AK from a distance.
So, Do you like the Troy version you, and I purchased a few years ago, or this version?
Nice, do they ever come with triangle hangards and slick side?
As in no forward assist.
I have the TROY version, its outstanding.
Q: does the trigger well have the M16 trigger well cut or stupid civilianized one? (Not talking about 3rd pin hole, obviously that’s a no no, but there’s a few companies offering lowers with M16 trigger pocket cut)
Excellent review 👍
Out of curiosity, shouldn’t the delta ring be flat and not angled to be period correct?
Nice. I like PSA.
PSA is awesome!!