And anyone who has ever worked on the flight deck of Carrier probably has had nightmares about getting sucked into the Corsair’ 2’s intake .. I certainly did…
I'd have thought dodging an incoming aircraft when things didn't go quite to plan during landing would have been higher. But then again you've probable got more experience of these things than most of us.
Ed, if you're getting into recycled names and forgotten biplanes, perhaps you could do a video on the Curtiss Helldiver (the first one, that is). I've always thought it was an interesting aircraft, coming at a similar time as the SBU Corsair, right before the switch to monoplanes. Of course, I usually think of it under its British name, the Cleveland, so as not to confuse it with the later aircraft.
From many angles, paint a Rising Sun on & I'd wonder if it was IJA. Just the design language somehow. _Btw, RAN kept & upgraded the [dual use] A4 Skyhawk until the late 80s. They were based at Albatross after Melbourne paid off, then NZ. The Corsair [IV] didn't fit our requirements, as it were._
Weren't the Ozzie A4's sold to NZ, then leased back for a while? The Corsair (IV) as a Naval plane was redundant for Ozzie use, there was no requirement at all seeing we had no carrier after HMAS Melbourne. RAAF had their Mirages anyway.
it is truly tragic what is happening to the internet glad we can still subscribe to stuff on youtube and follow creators who we have already vetted ourselves
As opposed to "Pirate" and "Cutlass." Crusader was synonymous with "Gun Fighter." I worked on the A-7B as an AD-2 with the Lobos of VA-305. Good, solid aircraft. But the A-4 "Scooter" is cooler.
I propose a nomenclature scheme for all these planes: Corsair, Also Corsair, Corsair Again, Still Corsair. Surely this will solve all confusion. Also, no matter how many times Ed says it, 1930s military aircraft evolution is always mind-blowing. Five years between this biplane with possible wooden skin, to Spitfires vs. BF-109s in combat.
In answer to your question at 4:45 of the video, I refer to the following information from Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft of 1938. Quote: “The Chance Vought V-142 Corsair is the identical export version of the SBU-2 ….. Fuselage - Welded steel structure with drop-forged fittings, covered forward from the nose to the cockpit and along the deck with metal panels and aft covered with fabric…. Wings - Wings structure is made of metal with fabric covering.“
You're right about the construction. Sometimes, aviation historians will write, "all-metal airframe," meaning the airframe is all metal but sometimes covered in fabric.
Yeah, I've always referred to "all-metal" as just that, and call metal and fabric "mixed construction", especially on the fuselage. I'm probably wrong with that 😁
Does anyone know what. squadron that is on the aircraft at 5:15 and 7:27? That walking bird logo is a new one to me. Another great video Ed! I really enjoy these interim period types where the designers were trying out all kind of ideas. It was indeed a period when what is cutting edge one day is obsolete a year or two later......
Guess they wanted a Corsair for every generation of engineers they had, haha. Can't blame them for reusing the name so much if they seemingly liked it that much.
Did planes like the one described and other obsolete planes get used for coastal patrols in the US so new aircraft could go to front line use? Seems like at least on the east coast more could have been done against German U-boats.
I want to say yes but don’t have a specific example I know that Bolingbrokes where used on the west coast for sub patrol into the later part of the gear
If Vought had a nickel for every time the Navy changed their specifications AFTER the aircraft had already been designed and built, they might still be around...
Calling everything Corsair is just the Navy trying to justify their existence by refusing to use the wonderfully elegant, intuitive and simple system developed by the army of calling everything M1, M3 or M4.
Its a noble US Navy tradition. If you ever want a laugh check out Drach's video on the shenanigans the Navy used to have to use to crowbar cash out of the 19th century congress, basically Congress refused to pay for new ships but they would allow repairs to existing ships. Once a ship was judged to no longer be capable of use, ie even the rats wouldnt serve on it becasue it was so rotted and Congress was finally convinced it needed a refit the navy would drag it up in a drydock, strip it down to parts and reuse about three planks and the name plate. What went in as a rotten twelve gun sloop came out as a shiny twenty four gun frigate that was, in literal ship of theseus mode, the same same ship! Honest! Navy funding in the 20s was just as bad, theres probably a Navy planner still trying to explain how those biplanes have given good service, look how easy they are to modernise with the new monoplance conversion. Same name, Same plane though! Honest!
Did anyone think of placing the cockpit infront of the huge radial engines, to give pilots far better views ? (cylinders would extend out of the fusilage for cooling)
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters LOL! ok that was scary, but I meant prop infront of the cockpit (at the front) but large radial behind cockpit, linked via a shaft (like the AirCobra)
@@RemusKingOfRome They probably did think of it, but then preferred water cooled inline, as there's be less engine "poking out" into the airstream. After all, the water cooled engines a re designed to be totally covered by fuselage and cowlings. Whereas, except for very few, radials are air-cooled and the cylinders require a lot of exposure to said air.
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And anyone who has ever worked on the flight deck of Carrier probably has had nightmares about getting sucked into the Corsair’ 2’s intake .. I certainly did…
I'd have thought dodging an incoming aircraft when things didn't go quite to plan during landing would have been higher. But then again you've probable got more experience of these things than most of us.
Ed, if you're getting into recycled names and forgotten biplanes, perhaps you could do a video on the Curtiss Helldiver (the first one, that is). I've always thought it was an interesting aircraft, coming at a similar time as the SBU Corsair, right before the switch to monoplanes. Of course, I usually think of it under its British name, the Cleveland, so as not to confuse it with the later aircraft.
I wouldn't mind seeing that one myself.
Oh God the Autism got loose. Sorry man 😅
If Vought have a nickel every time they kept naming every aircraft they built Corsair, they might still be around.......
Well, at least enough to fit a cup holder in the cockpit.
They're still around, just making aircraft parts now.
Eventually we'll get a stealth Corsair. Gotta keep the tradition going! 😎👍
NGAD? *fingers crossed*
From many angles, paint a Rising Sun on & I'd wonder if it was IJA. Just the design language somehow.
_Btw, RAN kept & upgraded the [dual use] A4 Skyhawk until the late 80s. They were based at Albatross after Melbourne paid off, then NZ. The Corsair [IV] didn't fit our requirements, as it were._
Weren't the Ozzie A4's sold to NZ, then leased back for a while?
The Corsair (IV) as a Naval plane was redundant for Ozzie use, there was no requirement at all seeing we had no carrier after HMAS Melbourne. RAAF had their Mirages anyway.
I've also noticed a few aircraft from this period where without the markings you'd be hard pushed to tell which navy it flew for.
So much bs ai content coming out now. Good to still have content like this Ed.
it is truly tragic what is happening to the internet
glad we can still subscribe to stuff on youtube and follow creators who we have already vetted ourselves
Taking a dive after the Navy droped the plane was a logical move.
As a kid, the A-7 was my absolute favorite plane ever. Can't wait for you to cover that.
I’m pretty sure (but not absolutely sure) contrary to Ed the A7 was not a USMC aircraft.
I worked A-7ds luv them in till you.need to change these eng seals razor blade city...
How is it you always manage to upload at the perfect time for me to watch new videos immediately? Love the content, and I'll continue to enjoy it
While the rest of us.🤨
The name Corsair stands as a sign of quality.
As opposed to "Pirate" and "Cutlass." Crusader was synonymous with "Gun Fighter." I worked on the A-7B as an AD-2 with the Lobos of VA-305. Good, solid aircraft. But the A-4 "Scooter" is cooler.
The A-7 Corsair 2 was only used by USN,USAF. And a few foreign countries.
USMC never operated the A-7, they kept flying A-4s.
I propose a nomenclature scheme for all these planes: Corsair, Also Corsair, Corsair Again, Still Corsair. Surely this will solve all confusion.
Also, no matter how many times Ed says it, 1930s military aircraft evolution is always mind-blowing. Five years between this biplane with possible wooden skin, to Spitfires vs. BF-109s in combat.
In answer to your question at 4:45 of the video, I refer to the following information from Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft of 1938. Quote: “The Chance Vought V-142 Corsair is the identical export version of the SBU-2 ….. Fuselage - Welded steel structure with drop-forged fittings, covered forward from the nose to the cockpit and along the deck with metal panels and aft covered with fabric…. Wings - Wings structure is made of metal with fabric covering.“
The Marines never operated the A-7.
Indeed, that was the F-8
These Corsair biplanes look a lot like the Curtis's SOC-3 Seagull (to me they do anyway). Same designer possibly?
I hope you do a general A-7 vid but if not then one specifically about the YA-7F prototypes would be awesome 👍
coincidentally, the F4U Corsair turned out to be an excellent dive bomber.
Don't get the naca's in a twist.
George Foreman of aircraft naming.
You're right about the construction. Sometimes, aviation historians will write, "all-metal airframe," meaning the airframe is all metal but sometimes covered in fabric.
Yeah, I've always referred to "all-metal" as just that, and call metal and fabric "mixed construction", especially on the fuselage.
I'm probably wrong with that 😁
Yes, very interesting Ed Thank you
I went to the RTAF museum 2 days ago.
Fantastic. Saw the only mk1 corsair left.
Corsair
Corsair II
Corsair
Crusader
Crusader II
Crusader III
Corsair II
You’ve missed out a corsair
@@andrewpease3688 oops, fixed
I'd say we are due to add another.
@@franklester4011 too bad Vought doesn't exist anymore.
@@franklester4011 Perhaps something like a Northrop F-24 Corsair?
Thanks Ed.
Built the A-7 in Dallas in the late 60's.
Great video sir!
What happened to the FU2 !?!?! .lol 😂
The Argentine ones were known as "Corsariazos" (big Corsairs)
Does anyone know what. squadron that is on the aircraft at 5:15 and 7:27? That walking bird logo is a new one to me. Another great video Ed! I really enjoy these interim period types where the designers were trying out all kind of ideas. It was indeed a period when what is cutting edge one day is obsolete a year or two later......
Thanks for the video.
Thanks! So the development of the A-7 from the F-8 was not the first time Vought built a bomber based on a fighter.
Good point!
And the boxer George Foreman thought he was novel naming all his sons "George".
Looks like these did Neutrality Patrol service. Presumably flying from the U>S>S. Ranger?
Vought and the Corsair , name a more iconic duo
I love the 1930s aviation industry. Another day, another aircraft. Or three.
I imagine it was hard to say "...the first Corsair II." with a straight face.
Guess they wanted a Corsair for every generation of engineers they had, haha. Can't blame them for reusing the name so much if they seemingly liked it that much.
Great stuff.
They sure liked that name.
Did planes like the one described and other obsolete planes get used for coastal patrols in the US so new aircraft could go to front line use? Seems like at least on the east coast more could have been done against German U-boats.
I want to say yes but don’t have a specific example
I know that Bolingbrokes where used on the west coast for sub patrol into the later part of the gear
Homelander + Sturmfront = Still best of Vought.
Thanks for turning me on to Rowland White he IS A HOOT.
Corsairs, corsairs, everywhere!
But not a drop to drink.
If Vought had a nickel for every time the Navy changed their specifications AFTER the aircraft had already been designed and built, they might still be around...
Calling everything Corsair is just the Navy trying to justify their existence by refusing to use the wonderfully elegant, intuitive and simple system developed by the army of calling everything M1, M3 or M4.
Its a noble US Navy tradition.
If you ever want a laugh check out Drach's video on the shenanigans the Navy used to have to use to crowbar cash out of the 19th century congress, basically Congress refused to pay for new ships but they would allow repairs to existing ships.
Once a ship was judged to no longer be capable of use, ie even the rats wouldnt serve on it becasue it was so rotted and Congress was finally convinced it needed a refit the navy would drag it up in a drydock, strip it down to parts and reuse about three planks and the name plate.
What went in as a rotten twelve gun sloop came out as a shiny twenty four gun frigate that was, in literal ship of theseus mode, the same same ship! Honest!
Navy funding in the 20s was just as bad, theres probably a Navy planner still trying to explain how those biplanes have given good service, look how easy they are to modernise with the new monoplance conversion. Same name, Same plane though! Honest!
XFU those were the days
I'm getting confused by all these Corsairs:)
wish I could find a model of this plane :)
Did anyone think of placing the cockpit infront of the huge radial engines, to give pilots far better views ? (cylinders would extend out of the fusilage for cooling)
There were a few, but this one was particularly frightening.
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@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters LOL! ok that was scary, but I meant prop infront of the cockpit (at the front) but large radial behind cockpit, linked via a shaft (like the AirCobra)
@@RemusKingOfRome They probably did think of it, but then preferred water cooled inline, as there's be less engine "poking out" into the airstream. After all, the water cooled engines a re designed to be totally covered by fuselage and cowlings. Whereas, except for very few, radials are air-cooled and the cylinders require a lot of exposure to said air.
There was a mid engine radial experimented with in Italy but it had overheating problems
The Japanese J7W Shinden had a mid-mounted radial, but a pusher prop. It would have made an interesting jet conversion.
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Fabric cover over a metal frame is still all metal construction the covering material makes no difference.
You are very good at contradicting yourself 🤣🤣 unless there is a new type of flexible metal fabric
@nigelsmith7366 The all metal construction refers to the load bearing structure of the aircraft ie there is no wood.
The NACA is pronounced En A Sea A. Not like NASA.
Is the M1 pronounced Garand or Garand? I've also heard it pronounced Carbine, Thompson, Abrams, Combat Car, and Motorway.
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My dad worked for the NACA and later NASA, a 39 year career.
You are so wrong lol
@@nigelsmith7366
No I'm not
Do they really not come up with another name. Seriously lame.
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