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If you are at the $1000 mark, you are probably using an MM cartridge. A big jump up would be going to an MC cartridge. I had a 33 year old top spec Linn Sondek LP12 turntable that I bought in 1987. I used a $1700 SPL Phonos phono stage after my battery powered 1988 Pink Triangle PIP 3 pre-amp (includes MC phonostage) died on me. Even in 2020, it sounded better than my digital setup (Theta Digital CD transport and Theta Digital Pro Basic 2 DAC). The $4800 transport and DAC sounded organic compared to other $3000 clinically sounding CD players. My cartridge was getting very worn out, where more distortion happens on the last track or for specific frequencies. I upgraded my Linn Sondek to the $10,000 level. I also upgraded my back end to an active Legacy Audio Aeris, and then the active Legacy Audio Valors speakers (from Martin Logan SL3 electrostatics). The Legacy Audio system includes the Wavelet digital preamp (which did room correction, with 4 way active crossover). I was then using a Cambridge Audio CXN2 streamer, which I upgraded to a Lumin U1 with X1 power supply. I thought about upgrading the digital front end to a $40,000 Linn streaming DAC. My turntable still sounded better, and I wasn't getting a noticeable bump in digital performance (as the streamer analog output was getting converted to digital in my preamp). I therefore decided to upgrade the turntable to a top spec Linn Sondek LP12. I upgraded my phono stage to a $8000 Zesto Andros Deluxe 2 tube photo stage (which opened my eyes to the rhythmic aspect). I then upgraded to a $13,000 Lyra Atlas Lambda SL cartridge. I had compared the Lyra Atlas against a $9000 Lyra Etna and a $7000 Linn Exstatik cartridge. The difference was dramatic. The noise level dropped through the floor with the Atlas, and the sound stage became much more holographic. I do have a $4000 Raven Audio tube integrated amp which is driving the treble and upper midrange of my speakers. The rest of the channels uses about 2000 watts of class-D. What I noticed when upgrading my 1987 turntable to a $10,000 level was that you could hear the background tracks much more clearly, so you would be listening to two layers of music, rather than just the foreground music. My vinyl playback system is more dynamic than my streaming system, is more rhythmic, and has greater sound stage depth. It has a narrower soundstage compared to digital (probably due to the mixing and the 30dB channel separation of vinyl). All my records from the 80's sound much better than streaming from that same time frame. Almost all of my 40 year old records sound like they are brand new. I listen to vinyl much more than I listen to streaming. However, I use my system for home theater, where I watch 4K on a 120 inch projection screen much more than I listen to music. The level of enjoyment does not come from increasing the cost of the system. One can find a much cheaper system to be perfectly enjoyable. I really enjoyed my 1988 record player, even though my current setup is so much better.
@@sarahX.. The Raven Audio Black Hawk tube amp with their latest upgrade is pretty silent. With the previous version, I had to increase the gain by 10dB to it so that I could keep the volume at 60% so the noise level wasn't an issue. They power the treble section of a pair of Legacy Audio Valors, specifically the 2 AMT driver tweeters and wave guide compression driver. Only 20 watts is needed. My speakers have an efficiency of over 100dB.
@@sarahX.. With a higher sensitivity speaker, you can set the gain to be lower on the amp. Where noise comes into play is at higher gain levels, so higher sensitivity speakers are better for tube amps. Of course, noise levels for tube amps will always be higher than solid state. However, there is a sound character from tube amps which can be highly desirable. I use 60 year old NOS tubes in my amp. 118dB is extremely sensitive for a speaker.
@@matthewbarrow3727 Yes we just need to find a better pairing tube amp - good noise specs and as you say lower gain. 118 is very sensitive but it brings forth immediacy transient dynamics/structure and micro details to a whole new level that is adicting so can`t go backwards unfortunately. The inherent active A/B amps are fine thought and no doubt sound the best here but it`s still interesting to try new things isn`t it 🙂
I really wonder what horrible source devices you guys are using, if they have "annoying mid-high glare". I heavily suspect you're simply used to a treble roll-off that is typical for vinyl. Some call it warm, others call it muffled. If you're used to that kind of sound for a long time, anything neutral will sound "bright" in comparison.
@@ropeburn6684 Not at all - so much detail air and harmonic content is in the highs. I love extended highs and wide bandwidth. Love hearing *all* the colour of cymbals and that distinct shimmer/sparkle of which good vinyl usually renders more naturally over digital. We are talking about the well known digital glare in the pressence region say typically betwen 2-6k. It is a fact digital has always been more inherently harsh glary in this frequency region. Granted some very well done digital can play it pretty well to the point relatively unnoticed for many but then when directly comparing to well done analogue it immediately beomes apparent. Whilst some of us are simply more sensitive to it than others - myself definitely being one of them. Once heard can not be `un-heard`.
@@ropeburn6684 This is one of the main reasons we love analogue. For all the beautiful unmasked details in the airy sparkly extended highs. Digital has always had a very hard time replicatig this in the same natural fashion hence the usual unnaturl emphasis, or lack of transparency, more hardness, instead in he frequencies below (2-6k) which is what we do not like and perceive as `glare` . e.g. Hearing CD`s for the first time with early digital was the main culprit but of course digital ha come a long way since then. But the same thing still exists today just not as apparant especially to the untrained ear.
Both formats are the way. My current Analog setup VPI Aries 3 - Dynavector XX2 - Ortofon ST7 Step Up Transformer - Parasound JC3+ preamp and PSM156 power conditioner with City Ground. Extras - VPI Dual Pivot, Stillpoints LP1, Soundeck mat and Cartridge damper.
It’s mainly down to the recording and mastering of the recording, more so than the medium. Vinyl is a different presentation and there are a number of factors that influence that as well. Overall though and ultimately it is not a better medium than DIGITAL, it is far inferior technically. Recording is the live event captured, it is processed and put on a medium to enjoy. The live event has gone, the way it's processed counts, and then the way it's presented counts. Complete analogue does it slightly differently to complete digital. But digital can replicate analogue and some! Comparing different equipment especially a analogue medium vs a digital is just comparing apples and oranges.
@@eddiebaby22 You’re right I shouldn’t paint with a broad brush. I think many know too what they’re doing but get overwritten by the studios. But I still think vinyl is worth purchasing in 2024 because the physical limits of its grooves restricts the hacks from jacking the volume up too much. There are a lot of badly mastered 90s/2000s pop and metal albums getting good vinyl releases now because they can’t do those old loudness tricks as much.
Started with vinyl back in the 80s ...loved the sound but hated the ceremonies and restrictions of having to listen to whole sides of albums! But stayed with vinyl until digital ripping and streaming playback became possible ...then sold the vinyl and turnable and am really happy to play the music, tracks or playlists I want to hear! But had to add some valves into the chain to get that analogue musicality
With a top quality TT i find it wonderful playing the whole album regardless what it is. This does not really happen with HQ digital epecially streaming.
@sarahX.. I appreciate that music always personal and highly subjective...therefore there is no right or wrong to enjoy it! As I get lost in the sonic pleasure with all my stored digital music and playlists ...or streaming or exploring new music from around the planet!...so fun either way!
@@humanitech Yes and thats fine. I also enjoy new music from all across our vast plain but when it comes to intimately enjoying, critical listening, nothing beats HQ TT and to a lesser extent HQ digital front end - just not really streaming for mine. Each to their own hehe
Vinyl is such a wonderful musical experience! I do have a strong preference for direct drive turntables though. To me, the speed stability is better because a stretchy belt always add some amount of speed fluctuations and delay to speed corrections. Please compare and decide for yourself.
Another great post! I respect that you are willing to accept new (old) things that you are not familiar and accept results unbiaised and unfazed by the price difference. After dropped analog for more than 30 years , I bought my little Sound Burger from Audio Technica turntable play through my Bluetooth device Douk U4 has that naturalness in sound that is comparable to my streamer's sound! I was amazed too
Bought most of my albums in HS and they were in bad shape already at $3-6. Now good vinyl is $25 or more. I can listen to Tidal and explore almost any album remastered or not. Sounds better than my 120 albums of which I only love about 40. Not going back to hiss, pops and clicks.
Nice I’m really looking forward to hear from your discovery. I did something close to you. And it always hit me when I use my turntable and streamer they are different and fun. I like having both
Welcome to the dark side :) Yes, analogue is more hassle and the record needs to be clean, etc, but the journey is part of the fun. When you get great sound at the end of the journey it's magical: so many things can go wrong along the process of cutting, pressing and playing back a record that it's practically a miracle that so often records can sound perfect.
Nice. Welcome to the next rabbit hole. 🙂 i guess you will quickly feel the need to witch to a more flexible tone arm to be able to try a wider range of cartridges. I think with a turntable everything can be optimized to get better results, Better Motor (more silent, stable rpm etc. different concepts belt drive vs. direct drive), more stable chassis, better tone arm, different cartridges with different needle styles (Shibata, Micro Line, etc.) and different technologies like MM, MI, MC and of course the phon preamp plays a big role with tubes, transistors. Last but not least the record and its pressing quality play the biggest role in sound quality and there are a lot of bad pressings around. But there are also a lot of very good pressings around. You can also dig deep in shopping for old 1st presses as some vinyl lovers do. Also there are some very good quality lables who are reissuing in high quality. If you are looking for a good entry level turntable with very flexible tone arm i can recommend the Magnat MT 990. It has all the flexibility (adjustments etc.) and is compatible wirth a wide variety of cartridges. You can easily drive cartridges up to 1500EUR on that turn table to their full extend. Cartridges to try: Audio Technica AT-VM95SH (Shibata, super detailed sound) AT-VM95ML (MicorLine). Both are a real steal for their price. Currently Like 170EUR and 140EUR here in Germany. Superb Higher End Cartridge in MM: Transrotor Ucello Reference (around 550-600EUR) MC: Denon DL 103 (400EUR) very popular but for me i find the PTGII below nicer MC: AT-33PTGII (550EUR) good alrounder MC: Transrotor Merlo / Merlo Reference (1KEUR - 1.4KEUR) With MC systems you can choose to use only your phono preamp but mostly they perform better if you use a stepup transformer (has to fit from its specs to the MC system) and then go into the MM section of your preamp. Very good stepups are made by e.g. Phasemation. I use Silvercore (small german brand) Good Pressing you get from labels like Analogue Productions (lot of Jazz (Pablo Reissue Series) but also very good Atlantic 75 Series and superb Classic Reissue series of Living Stereo/RCA Titles) My tips from those series: Analogue Productions Pablo: Count Basie & Dizzy Gillespie - The Gifted Ones (drectly the trumpet in the beginning jumps at you like crazy) Analogue Productions Atlantic 75 series: Stone Temple Pilots - Core - little hard rock in the mix Analogue Productions Linving Stereo/RCA: Alexander Gibson - Witches Brew - more easy to digest classical music - the track: Dance Macabre is used by Sonus Faber in the Suprema show cases. Other very good pressing: Red Hot Chili Peppers (Stadium Arcadium full analog version, Unlimited Love Indie Clear Vinyl version), Daft Punk - Random Access Memories, Kruder & Dorfmeister - The K&D Sessions Hope this helps for starters. Cheers
I am in the process of either getting the Pro-Ject X8 Evolution or the Pro-Ject RPM 9 Carbon. I am not quite sure which one to go for. I just know that i am tired of buying budget gear to only replace it soon after.
Gregorz i am using turntables more then 40 years. My current analog set up : michell gyrodec with michell tecnoarm 2, dynavector xx2 mkii cart, and a dynavector p75 mk4 phono. My digital setup is an eversolo DMP a6 master edition with beatechnik LPS a6. The analog sound is unbeatable from any streaming setup i ve heard, and believe me i have heard many serious setups. The only thing that a good turntable wants to shine, its fine adjustments. You must calibrate all things perfectly ( tracking, tracking force, antiskating, azimuth) , otherwise will not give you its full potential.
Thanks for the recording. At the end the streaming setup sounds a bit cleaner and more spacious with extended bass. However the difference is not day and night.
Really nice demo! Love this channel :) Conclusion to start, both sources/the system is nice to listen to and brings nice listing pleasure overall. And one even if technically superior doesn’t bring a 10x level of enjoyment to the sound over the other. And the vinyl has its own qualities that shine as well regardless of costing that x10 less. I listened to your demo A/B blind first and apart from the part where you can hear pops and clicks it is almost impossible to hear the difference my end with headphones. The noise floor is quite evident on the second track at the beginning, obviously. But that’s not a big dealbreaker, in fact it perhaps adds a bit to the character, but when the digital kicks in it just shows it superiority with clarity of the recording and sound. The biggest difference for me was evident with the vocals as well on the second track. Vinyl seems to make vocals sound a little more human, but I have found this myself in real demos as well. Even if it's not quite as resolving. Digital does seem to capture more, but also take away in the very slightest way to the real tone. Or if it could just be the turntable is more rolled off and pleasing to the ear. I listened hard here with a number of headphones. The Audio Technica MTH-M40X, Sony MDR-7506 and Sennheiser HD800S, to really split hairs. Of the three headphones, unsurprisingly, the HD800S picked up the finest of details and presented a soundstage more. And in the end I just listened solely to the HD800S as I was enjoying this system and music the most with those on. It is amazing how close these systems are. And for the money, it’s crazy. I like them both. I liked aspects of the all digital and the same for the analogue, not sure how the recordings were done though. Was it a digital recording on the vinyl and vice versa. Maybe we were listing to mixed anyway because of the recordings. Ultimately though I think the vinyl system is adding distortion to the sound which is giving it a pleasing effect. Which is fine and romantic, but nothing that can't be done with advanced digital filtering. Still records are fun and do sound nice, I have both as well and enjoy equally, but I never really kid myself the record is better.
I have spent equivalent of around 22k odd in analog and around 8-9k in digital. While the analog system is obviously head and shoulders better, digital can definitely be optimized to not sound terrible - the toughest part is getting around the upper mid range glare as someone mentioned. Its not easy but possible with local high quality files and an optimized streaming delivery system to the DAC. Not cheap though!
sure. the Turntable sounds Awesome. great News for people who have a big LP collection and thinking about adding/replacing their Turntable.. personally , i'm not willing to start buying LPs that will cost Thousand$$$... meh, i'd rather stick with Streaming .. and it's important to note that NO NEED TO SPEND 10K on a Streamer (for example. a great quality Streamer & DAC all in one unit: ECM 1 MKII by Electrocompaniet can be had for a lot less )... THANK YOU Greg. always appreciate the work and the experiments you're doing for us.
greetings grzegorz. great and interesting material, although I absolutely do not believe that any analogue can come close to digital quality, it's great that you show how good sound can be squeezed from a decently priced turntable.
Vinyl record playback is in my experience all about avoiding unwanted vibrations and quality of the tonearm. There is also an ongoing discussion of MM vs MC vs Optical. Imho a nice MM like the AT VM540 ML or one of the Signet TKE line with a good tube phono (silver mica in the signal path) is one of the most musical solutions regardless of cost. Tonearm not below around 1k. There are many nice tables around. VTA (by ear) is also critical.
For a more "turn table" like sound from a dac, try an older Burr Brown chip based dac, like in the Parasound P5 preamp or similar. Or even an older Hegel H80 integrated amp. You should be able to snag one for the same price as your TT
Any plans for the separate Norma you promised in near future? How does the Norma integrated compare to Naim and Exposure sound? Which one do you prefer?
You made a good choice, Pro-ject makes great equipment. I currenttly have a Pro-ject 2Xperience SB SE turntable with an Ortofon 2M Bronze cartridge and a Pro-ject DS2 Tube Box phono pre-amp. I am very happy with this setup, and I feel i'd have to spend thousands of dollars to get even a small gain. I will be interested in your balanced connection review. I use standard RCA Audioquest interconnects. I'm a big believer in quality cabeling.
For me it really comes down to mastering. The Vinyl Cuts are in general mastered better. Even if the medium has severe flaws, It is not garbage in garbage out. Digital just needs EQ and convolution filters to sound good. With a log of Analog that has already been done at the studio IMHO.
You make it sound like the inconveniences of vinyl is absolutely worth it iver streaming, when they are almost indistinguishable. If you toom about the texts when one is playing, i bet know one would be able to tell if it switches from one to the other. I'll stay with streaming. A lot more convenient imho.
Try a Rega Planar 3. It's quite cheap but It'll surprise you with its musicality! However, if you're ready to spend more then absolutely get a Linn LP12.
The problem with Digital is jitter. If you use a high end streamer like Lumin U1 or Hifi rose rs130, the difference will be massive. Abd yes, it is not cost effective. But, 99% of music that i listen is only available in CD or streaming
Great ! Thanks for your vidéos ! You should try direct drive turntable (audio technica or technics) and experiment with cartridge (Ortofon 2m black or soundsmith).
very nice presentation. I stopped listening to my LP setup in with the first CD, Philips 103, 1990 or so. At that time I had Linn Sondek with Grace tonarm,Koetsu cartridge and some custom wires from Van Den hul. It was amazing but I couldn't listen to pops and clicks on quiet passages of music as ut disturbed me from peacfull listening. Second, I didn't want to repeat same recordings in few weeks or a minth becouse even 500 LPs is limited nymber plus I simply didn't want to store them as my friends did, shelves full of thousands of LPs. CD was more practical as is streaming nowadays so having all the experience in great sound today I sit in my sofa and stream music from endless libraries What is apparent in your video is how better LP reproduces bass, cymbals, snare drum and specially voice, compared to stream vocal on LP sounds richer in lower harmonics and easier on the ear
it's not night and day. you've been listening to digital all the while then to suddenly switch to analog seems like a jump up because it's a different presentation (something new) but i believe after awhile it wont seem so. i personally go for digital because of the convenience but it's a good subject you brought up.
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I've just noticed as an oscillation going on with the digital signal more than the analog what is surprising! you could try putting the turntable belt in a bag of talcum powder and then just give it a little shake this is good give you better speed control. But notting high humid areas Poland be fine I think😂
A couple of things firstly get a cable from the turntable to the preamp that is 43ohns with very low capacitance and inductance, if you want to buy a ready-made cable get the Blue Jeans zero capacitance what uses a Belden cable, get double shielded 43ohms Belden cable they do a 23 ohm that might be better not tried it make the cartridge more sensitive! Also isolate the turntable as much as possible you could use jelly packs from the supermarket the ones in the plastic bags, put them under the feet. ideally you need to drain the main bearing! this is a massive improvement will really lower the noise floor of the turntable, find a box or even a cardboard tube you have to glue it to the base of the turntable hot glue is probably the cleanest to remove if that's a concern for you! over the main bearing, make sure it doesn't touch any surface when the turntable is put background! You need to fill it and pack it with dry kilm or better tungsten powder you can get its use for golf clubs, put a top on glue it with superglue, make sure you cover all the bearing with sand / tungsten especially the bottom I would say at least 12mm. be find if you can raise the turntable up with the jelly or and extra type of feet. Even using cup coasters under the feet is good, you have to stack them and put a bit of blue tack between them as a sandwich. I disagree with levelling the turntable bit controversial i know! but having a slight tilt at about one degree from the center of the motor to the Center of the spindle in a downward slope is better on a belt driven table. Also play with your bias anti skate it's usually better to have it less than what the weight of the cartridge even by one gram! This is a good adjustment with headphones. Also slightly adjust your tracking Force weight, usually it's good to have it between the minimum and maximum grams, but moving up or down between these two by 0.2-0.3 +/- can achieve good results, usually the heavier it is the better bass you get the lighter it is better top end. Isolation is very important for a turntable if you use three or four different types of platforms this is good, especially if you've got bass music and draining the bearing and motor but we won't go into that. I'm not sure balanced cables is good? Michael fidler disagrees it can create more noise he is a engineer and designs phono stages very good ones. he does explain it on his YT channel why it's not a good idea. I think it's something to do with being a passive balance signal not an active balance signal you're not getting the advantages of the active part. Anyway there's some food for thought for you there! You could also try a DS cartridges but you need a special preamp that is very similar to digital but smoother it's a light emitting sensor diode. Also very good is dbx records, with a dbx analogue decoder, can achieve 118 DB dynamic range you can pick them up for about 130 euros decoder records are generally available but not being made for quite a long time I don't think not since the 80s I wish they would start reprinting dbx records. Also you can get great results by putting a puddle of water on the record use dionised water, you'll need to put the styli on some blotting paper afterwards few seconds just to drain the water but shouldn't do any harm. that's what they do in Studios when they record records lower the noise floor of the record comes more like the wax version. Also a nice blob of Blu-Tack on the turntable where you can drop the stylus it cleans the styli don't use the gel stuff!!! massage a inch piece of blu tack for five minutes and plop it on the table now and again just move it. Best stylist cleaner and hard brushing but you shouldn't need to do that that often once a month if that and clean your records new and old.
900 bucks doesn't go very far. What you played though shows that entry level analog has a place in a system. I could hear several types of distortions at different times and some pops. Those can all be cured with a better cartridge or a rebuilt cart from Sound Design. Change the cantilever to sapphire and you will ride deeper in the groove. The pops disappear. Also the shape they cut the diamond is different. My cart was 1200 bucks new but after the cantilever got bent I sent it in. It came back sounding so much better for less than 4 hundred bucks. That change made the biggest improvement in my system. Bigger than any of the 6 phono stages in the under $2000 bracket. Your digital side sounds fantastic, maybe better than mine lol.
Which DAC would be recommended if you listen exclusively to CD's through speakers not headphones?- Classical piano preferred listening. No streaming in my system. Everyone can chime in on this question. Thanks. I am not a fan of Delta/Sigma.
👍💥💥💥💥💥 On first track wins vynil. On second track wins streaming .... But its very very dificult to have a winer. But well recorded music sound better on CD AND VYNIL! I tested! But if you stream your original file on your library its the same!!!
With countless hundreds of different audio components, comparing two of them and coming to a conclusion about ALL OF THEM, is like comparing two restaurants and coming to a conclusion about ALL OF THEM. It would be one rare turntable/cartridge that could come anywhere close to my digital playback with cds. And the lp playback would still have problems with ticks and pops, bad pressings, warps, inner groove distortion, wear, having to get up after each side, cleaning lps, taking up whole rooms of space for storage, cover seam splits static attracting dust, styluses attracting dust, AND Rip Off Pricing! But other than that, lps are no problem!
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I just went yesterday to Kuzma's showroom in Kranj, Slovenija and brought with my CDP Marantzt MK17 Ken Ishiwata Signature which is to my ears better, more natural sounding device (TDA 1547 dac-chip) even than Mojo2 and other dac's up to 1000 EUR I have tested so far (I also have Wiim Ultra for streaming) to really hear a difference between vinyl/TT and digital sound on a really great system with great Kuzma's TT. I did not hear it in my system with some good old Philips TT with old needle of course. The difference was more obvious and bigger than I had ever expected in my mind or imagination. Digital simply sucks in comparison in all aspects, even in dynamics is not superior. You can be fooled by digital's micro and macro dynamics by emphasized the edge's of the notes and sharpness, but in essence it lacks tones and harmonies - it sounds like a plucked chicken :)) So I am not thinking any more about getting in my system a better DAC, but I will go for some entry level Kuzma's TT in the future.
Grats on finding that Cd player. I had to settle on my second favorite the Sony 507ESD but it is still really amazing paired with OCC rca cables. Someday I will find that Marantz in good condition.
Vinyl rules not just for sound. My local vinyl shop is an amazing place to be: coffee, chat, concerts and friendship. I’m very lucky having a shop near home like this. I also disagree with the way artists are not paid decent amounts of money by the likes of Spotify etc. Live music is the best way to listen to music.
Yes a continuous analog wave is how musical instruments, the human voice and your ears work. Audio never has to be digitized. Slicing and dicing always leaves audible artifacts. Which is why you can never experience the analog sound from any digital source such as CDs, streaming, RUclips...
No surprises in what you say. The problem is the poor quality of the digitization of the albums in these streaming services + added normalization and the phase and time shift that occurs in the transmission. No surprises in what you say. The problem is the low quality of the digitization of the albums in those streaming services + added normalization and the phase and time shift that occurs in the transmission. That is why it is essential to optimize the OS to play multimedia, so that the JITTER generated in the CPU is as low as possible. The same 4K / AAC 192kbps video that I upload to RUclips (4K Vinyl rips channel) and Vimeo sounds much better in the second service due to the lower added normalization. The more dynamic the recording and instrumental complexity, the greater the difference I notice. On Vimeo, the free account allows only two uploads per month up to a maximum of 25. For now I only have 7 videos, after deleting one for rights. This weekend I will upload two that are already on YT.
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1,000$ - Pro-Ject Debut EVO 2 + Pro-Ject Phono Box S2 Sound is nothing special. Distortion 10,000$ Streaming Less bass, more highs. Less "organic". More clean. Nothing special You need to spend more money in the analog system to play very good recordings with high DR. 2.000 TT + 2.000 Cartridge + 1.000 Phono + cables. A machine to clean vinyls and... System: 6.000 €
BTW, off the most well-known brands focus only on Technics and Rega. Some of us have been in the world of vinyl, SACD, CD and digital files for many years. Before the new vinyl fashion it was much cheaper to buy excellent second-hand TTs. With the appropriate modifications, well known in the vinyl world, a great leap in quality can be achieved without spending as much money as in 2024 and new material.
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If you are at the $1000 mark, you are probably using an MM cartridge. A big jump up would be going to an MC cartridge. I had a 33 year old top spec Linn Sondek LP12 turntable that I bought in 1987. I used a $1700 SPL Phonos phono stage after my battery powered 1988 Pink Triangle PIP 3 pre-amp (includes MC phonostage) died on me. Even in 2020, it sounded better than my digital setup (Theta Digital CD transport and Theta Digital Pro Basic 2 DAC). The $4800 transport and DAC sounded organic compared to other $3000 clinically sounding CD players. My cartridge was getting very worn out, where more distortion happens on the last track or for specific frequencies. I upgraded my Linn Sondek to the $10,000 level. I also upgraded my back end to an active Legacy Audio Aeris, and then the active Legacy Audio Valors speakers (from Martin Logan SL3 electrostatics). The Legacy Audio system includes the Wavelet digital preamp (which did room correction, with 4 way active crossover). I was then using a Cambridge Audio CXN2 streamer, which I upgraded to a Lumin U1 with X1 power supply. I thought about upgrading the digital front end to a $40,000 Linn streaming DAC. My turntable still sounded better, and I wasn't getting a noticeable bump in digital performance (as the streamer analog output was getting converted to digital in my preamp). I therefore decided to upgrade the turntable to a top spec Linn Sondek LP12. I upgraded my phono stage to a $8000 Zesto Andros Deluxe 2 tube photo stage (which opened my eyes to the rhythmic aspect). I then upgraded to a $13,000 Lyra Atlas Lambda SL cartridge. I had compared the Lyra Atlas against a $9000 Lyra Etna and a $7000 Linn Exstatik cartridge. The difference was dramatic. The noise level dropped through the floor with the Atlas, and the sound stage became much more holographic. I do have a $4000 Raven Audio tube integrated amp which is driving the treble and upper midrange of my speakers. The rest of the channels uses about 2000 watts of class-D. What I noticed when upgrading my 1987 turntable to a $10,000 level was that you could hear the background tracks much more clearly, so you would be listening to two layers of music, rather than just the foreground music. My vinyl playback system is more dynamic than my streaming system, is more rhythmic, and has greater sound stage depth. It has a narrower soundstage compared to digital (probably due to the mixing and the 30dB channel separation of vinyl). All my records from the 80's sound much better than streaming from that same time frame. Almost all of my 40 year old records sound like they are brand new. I listen to vinyl much more than I listen to streaming. However, I use my system for home theater, where I watch 4K on a 120 inch projection screen much more than I listen to music. The level of enjoyment does not come from increasing the cost of the system. One can find a much cheaper system to be perfectly enjoyable. I really enjoyed my 1988 record player, even though my current setup is so much better.
Nice story. I gues the Raven Audio integrated noise floor would be too high for really sensitive MF/HF coaxial horns right....
@@sarahX.. The Raven Audio Black Hawk tube amp with their latest upgrade is pretty silent. With the previous version, I had to increase the gain by 10dB to it so that I could keep the volume at 60% so the noise level wasn't an issue. They power the treble section of a pair of Legacy Audio Valors, specifically the 2 AMT driver tweeters and wave guide compression driver. Only 20 watts is needed. My speakers have an efficiency of over 100dB.
@@matthewbarrow3727 Ours are 118db so maybe a bit too sensitive - which seems to be the case with all tube amps so far.
@@sarahX.. With a higher sensitivity speaker, you can set the gain to be lower on the amp. Where noise comes into play is at higher gain levels, so higher sensitivity speakers are better for tube amps. Of course, noise levels for tube amps will always be higher than solid state. However, there is a sound character from tube amps which can be highly desirable. I use 60 year old NOS tubes in my amp. 118dB is extremely sensitive for a speaker.
@@matthewbarrow3727 Yes we just need to find a better pairing tube amp - good noise specs and as you say lower gain.
118 is very sensitive but it brings forth immediacy transient dynamics/structure and micro details to a whole new level that is adicting so can`t go backwards unfortunately. The inherent active A/B amps are fine thought and no doubt sound the best here but it`s still interesting to try new things isn`t it 🙂
I prefer my $5k analog setup over my $20k streaming setup. Especially with Analogue Productions and MoFi records. But let’s face it, we need both!
Analog is so natural without the annoying upper-mid glare
Yes this is spot on, the pressence region, that digital can`t match especially streaming.
Spot on exactly this, upper-mid glare is unbearable on digital
I really wonder what horrible source devices you guys are using, if they have "annoying mid-high glare".
I heavily suspect you're simply used to a treble roll-off that is typical for vinyl. Some call it warm, others call it muffled. If you're used to that kind of sound for a long time, anything neutral will sound "bright" in comparison.
@@ropeburn6684 Not at all - so much detail air and harmonic content is in the highs. I love extended highs and wide bandwidth. Love hearing *all* the colour of cymbals and that distinct shimmer/sparkle of which good vinyl usually renders more naturally over digital. We are talking about the well known digital glare in the pressence region say typically betwen 2-6k. It is a fact digital has always been more inherently harsh glary in this frequency region. Granted some very well done digital can play it pretty well to the point relatively unnoticed for many but then when directly comparing to well done analogue it immediately beomes apparent. Whilst some of us are simply more sensitive to it than others - myself definitely being one of them. Once heard can not be `un-heard`.
@@ropeburn6684 This is one of the main reasons we love analogue. For all the beautiful unmasked details in the airy sparkly extended highs. Digital has always had a very hard time replicatig this in the same natural fashion hence the usual unnaturl emphasis, or lack of transparency, more hardness, instead in he frequencies below (2-6k) which is what we do not like and perceive as `glare` . e.g. Hearing CD`s for the first time with early digital was the main culprit but of course digital ha come a long way since then. But the same thing still exists today just not as apparant especially to the untrained ear.
Both formats are the way.
My current Analog setup
VPI Aries 3 - Dynavector XX2 - Ortofon ST7 Step Up Transformer - Parasound JC3+ preamp and PSM156 power conditioner with City Ground.
Extras - VPI Dual Pivot, Stillpoints LP1, Soundeck mat and Cartridge damper.
It’s mainly down to the recording and mastering of the recording, more so than the medium. Vinyl is a different presentation and there are a number of factors that influence that as well. Overall though and ultimately it is not a better medium than DIGITAL, it is far inferior technically. Recording is the live event captured, it is processed and put on a medium to enjoy. The live event has gone, the way it's processed counts, and then the way it's presented counts. Complete analogue does it slightly differently to complete digital. But digital can replicate analogue and some! Comparing different equipment especially a analogue medium vs a digital is just comparing apples and oranges.
Problem is most of the great engineers were in the vinyl era and the ones today operate in the loudness wars era
@mikeg2491 there's still some good ones who know what they are doing
@@eddiebaby22 You’re right I shouldn’t paint with a broad brush. I think many know too what they’re doing but get overwritten by the studios. But I still think vinyl is worth purchasing in 2024 because the physical limits of its grooves restricts the hacks from jacking the volume up too much. There are a lot of badly mastered 90s/2000s pop and metal albums getting good vinyl releases now because they can’t do those old loudness tricks as much.
Started with vinyl back in the 80s ...loved the sound but hated the ceremonies and restrictions of having to listen to whole sides of albums! But stayed with vinyl until digital ripping and streaming playback became possible ...then sold the vinyl and turnable and am really happy to play the music, tracks or playlists I want to hear!
But had to add some valves into the chain to get that analogue musicality
With a top quality TT i find it wonderful playing the whole album regardless what it is. This does not really happen with HQ digital epecially streaming.
@sarahX.. I appreciate that music always personal and highly subjective...therefore there is no right or wrong to enjoy it! As I get lost in the sonic pleasure with all my stored digital music and playlists ...or streaming or exploring new music from around the planet!...so fun either way!
@@humanitech Yes and thats fine.
I also enjoy new music from all across our vast plain but when it comes to intimately enjoying, critical listening, nothing beats HQ TT and to a lesser extent HQ digital front end - just not really streaming for mine. Each to their own hehe
Having owned both a HQ turntable and now HQ digital components... I'm equally happy too! But I'm glad you enjoy what you like!
@@humanitech Thanks. And likewise!
Vinyl is such a wonderful musical experience!
I do have a strong preference for direct drive turntables though. To me, the speed stability is better because a stretchy belt always add some amount of speed fluctuations and delay to speed corrections. Please compare and decide for yourself.
Another great post! I respect that you are willing to accept new (old) things that you are not familiar and accept results unbiaised and unfazed by the price difference. After dropped analog for more than 30 years , I bought my little Sound Burger from Audio Technica turntable play through my Bluetooth device Douk U4 has that naturalness in sound that is comparable to my streamer's sound! I was amazed too
Bought most of my albums in HS and they were in bad shape already at $3-6. Now good vinyl is $25 or more. I can listen to Tidal and explore almost any album remastered or not. Sounds better than my 120 albums of which I only love about 40. Not going back to hiss, pops and clicks.
Nice I’m really looking forward to hear from your discovery. I did something close to you. And it always hit me when I use my turntable and streamer they are different and fun. I like having both
Welcome to the dark side :)
Yes, analogue is more hassle and the record needs to be clean, etc, but the journey is part of the fun. When you get great sound at the end of the journey it's magical: so many things can go wrong along the process of cutting, pressing and playing back a record that it's practically a miracle that so often records can sound perfect.
Nice. Welcome to the next rabbit hole. 🙂
i guess you will quickly feel the need to witch to a more flexible tone arm to be able to try a wider range of cartridges. I think with a turntable everything can be optimized to get better results, Better Motor (more silent, stable rpm etc. different concepts belt drive vs. direct drive), more stable chassis, better tone arm, different cartridges with different needle styles (Shibata, Micro Line, etc.) and different technologies like MM, MI, MC and of course the phon preamp plays a big role with tubes, transistors.
Last but not least the record and its pressing quality play the biggest role in sound quality and there are a lot of bad pressings around. But there are also a lot of very good pressings around. You can also dig deep in shopping for old 1st presses as some vinyl lovers do. Also there are some very good quality lables who are reissuing in high quality.
If you are looking for a good entry level turntable with very flexible tone arm i can recommend the Magnat MT 990. It has all the flexibility (adjustments etc.) and is compatible wirth a wide variety of cartridges. You can easily drive cartridges up to 1500EUR on that turn table to their full extend.
Cartridges to try:
Audio Technica AT-VM95SH (Shibata, super detailed sound)
AT-VM95ML (MicorLine).
Both are a real steal for their price. Currently Like 170EUR and 140EUR here in Germany.
Superb Higher End Cartridge in MM: Transrotor Ucello Reference (around 550-600EUR)
MC: Denon DL 103 (400EUR) very popular but for me i find the PTGII below nicer
MC: AT-33PTGII (550EUR) good alrounder
MC: Transrotor Merlo / Merlo Reference (1KEUR - 1.4KEUR)
With MC systems you can choose to use only your phono preamp but mostly they perform better if you use a stepup transformer (has to fit from its specs to the MC system) and then go into the MM section of your preamp. Very good stepups are made by e.g. Phasemation. I use Silvercore (small german brand)
Good Pressing you get from labels like Analogue Productions (lot of Jazz (Pablo Reissue Series) but also very good Atlantic 75 Series and superb Classic Reissue series of Living Stereo/RCA Titles) My tips from those series:
Analogue Productions Pablo: Count Basie & Dizzy Gillespie - The Gifted Ones (drectly the trumpet in the beginning jumps at you like crazy)
Analogue Productions Atlantic 75 series: Stone Temple Pilots - Core - little hard rock in the mix
Analogue Productions Linving Stereo/RCA: Alexander Gibson - Witches Brew - more easy to digest classical music - the track: Dance Macabre is used by Sonus Faber in the Suprema show cases.
Other very good pressing: Red Hot Chili Peppers (Stadium Arcadium full analog version, Unlimited Love Indie Clear Vinyl version), Daft Punk - Random Access Memories, Kruder & Dorfmeister - The K&D Sessions
Hope this helps for starters.
Cheers
I am in the process of either getting the Pro-Ject X8 Evolution or the Pro-Ject RPM 9 Carbon. I am not quite sure which one to go for. I just know that i am tired of buying budget gear to only replace it soon after.
Someone had a few too many coffee's ☺️
Gregorz i am using turntables more then 40 years. My current analog set up : michell gyrodec with michell tecnoarm 2, dynavector xx2 mkii cart, and a dynavector p75 mk4 phono.
My digital setup is an eversolo DMP a6 master edition with beatechnik LPS a6.
The analog sound is unbeatable from any streaming setup i ve heard, and believe me i have heard many serious setups.
The only thing that a good turntable wants to shine, its fine adjustments.
You must calibrate all things perfectly ( tracking, tracking force, antiskating, azimuth) , otherwise will not give you its full potential.
Streaming wins no contest.
Plucked strings on double bass far more defined and no annoying clicks and ticks.
Not my experience but I believe it’s yours
Thanks for the recording. At the end the streaming setup sounds a bit cleaner and more spacious with extended bass. However the difference is not day and night.
Really nice demo! Love this channel :) Conclusion to start, both sources/the system is nice to listen to and brings nice listing pleasure overall. And one even if technically superior doesn’t bring a 10x level of enjoyment to the sound over the other. And the vinyl has its own qualities that shine as well regardless of costing that x10 less.
I listened to your demo A/B blind first and apart from the part where you can hear pops and clicks it is almost impossible to hear the difference my end with headphones.
The noise floor is quite evident on the second track at the beginning, obviously. But that’s not a big dealbreaker, in fact it perhaps adds a bit to the character, but when the digital kicks in it just shows it superiority with clarity of the recording and sound.
The biggest difference for me was evident with the vocals as well on the second track. Vinyl seems to make vocals sound a little more human, but I have found this myself in real demos as well. Even if it's not quite as resolving. Digital does seem to capture more, but also take away in the very slightest way to the real tone. Or if it could just be the turntable is more rolled off and pleasing to the ear.
I listened hard here with a number of headphones. The Audio Technica MTH-M40X, Sony MDR-7506 and Sennheiser HD800S, to really split hairs. Of the three headphones, unsurprisingly, the HD800S picked up the finest of details and presented a soundstage more. And in the end I just listened solely to the HD800S as I was enjoying this system and music the most with those on.
It is amazing how close these systems are. And for the money, it’s crazy. I like them both. I liked aspects of the all digital and the same for the analogue, not sure how the recordings were done though. Was it a digital recording on the vinyl and vice versa. Maybe we were listing to mixed anyway because of the recordings.
Ultimately though I think the vinyl system is adding distortion to the sound which is giving it a pleasing effect. Which is fine and romantic, but nothing that can't be done with advanced digital filtering. Still records are fun and do sound nice, I have both as well and enjoy equally, but I never really kid myself the record is better.
I have spent equivalent of around 22k odd in analog and around 8-9k in digital. While the analog system is obviously head and shoulders better, digital can definitely be optimized to not sound terrible - the toughest part is getting around the upper mid range glare as someone mentioned. Its not easy but possible with local high quality files and an optimized streaming delivery system to the DAC. Not cheap though!
sure. the Turntable sounds Awesome. great News for people who have a big LP collection and thinking about adding/replacing their Turntable.. personally , i'm not willing to start buying LPs that will cost Thousand$$$... meh, i'd rather stick with Streaming .. and it's important to note that NO NEED TO SPEND 10K on a Streamer (for example. a great quality Streamer & DAC all in one unit: ECM 1 MKII by Electrocompaniet can be had for a lot less )... THANK YOU Greg. always appreciate the work and the experiments you're doing for us.
greetings grzegorz. great and interesting material, although I absolutely do not believe that any analogue can come close to digital quality, it's great that you show how good sound can be squeezed from a decently priced turntable.
Vinyl record playback is in my experience all about avoiding unwanted vibrations and quality of the tonearm. There is also an ongoing discussion of MM vs MC vs Optical. Imho a nice MM like the AT VM540 ML or one of the Signet TKE line with a good tube phono (silver mica in the signal path) is one of the most musical solutions regardless of cost. Tonearm not below around 1k. There are many nice tables around. VTA (by ear) is also critical.
For a more "turn table" like sound from a dac, try an older Burr Brown chip based dac, like in the Parasound P5 preamp or similar. Or even an older Hegel H80 integrated amp. You should be able to snag one for the same price as your TT
Much appriciations for your honisty.
Bravo Gregor!
I heard some track distortion/defect of the record at around 17:00.
Very good video.. Thank you! I'm not good at soldering. What is the best bang for the buck out of the box? Thanks again.
Any plans for the separate Norma you promised in near future? How does the Norma integrated compare to Naim and Exposure sound? Which one do you prefer?
You made a good choice, Pro-ject makes great equipment. I currenttly have a Pro-ject 2Xperience SB SE turntable with an Ortofon 2M Bronze cartridge and a Pro-ject DS2 Tube Box phono pre-amp. I am very happy with this setup, and I feel i'd have to spend thousands of dollars to get even a small gain. I will be interested in your balanced connection review. I use standard RCA Audioquest interconnects. I'm a big believer in quality cabeling.
If possible, also compare vinyl to CD.
For me it really comes down to mastering. The Vinyl Cuts are in general mastered better. Even if the medium has severe flaws, It is not garbage in garbage out. Digital just needs EQ and convolution filters to sound good. With a log of Analog that has already been done at the studio IMHO.
Why not technics direct drive TT?
You make it sound like the inconveniences of vinyl is absolutely worth it iver streaming, when they are almost indistinguishable. If you toom about the texts when one is playing, i bet know one would be able to tell if it switches from one to the other. I'll stay with streaming. A lot more convenient imho.
You just improved your life, enjoy!
Try a Rega Planar 3. It's quite cheap but It'll surprise you with its musicality! However, if you're ready to spend more then absolutely get a Linn LP12.
The problem with Digital is jitter. If you use a high end streamer like Lumin U1 or Hifi rose rs130, the difference will be massive. Abd yes, it is not cost effective. But, 99% of music that i listen is only available in CD or streaming
Great ! Thanks for your vidéos ! You should try direct drive turntable (audio technica or technics) and experiment with cartridge (Ortofon 2m black or soundsmith).
very nice presentation.
I stopped listening to my LP setup in with the first CD, Philips 103, 1990 or so.
At that time I had Linn Sondek with Grace tonarm,Koetsu cartridge and some custom wires from Van Den hul. It was amazing but I couldn't listen to pops and clicks on quiet passages of music as ut disturbed me from peacfull listening. Second, I didn't want to repeat same recordings in few weeks or a minth becouse even 500 LPs is limited nymber plus I simply didn't want to store them as my friends did, shelves full of thousands of LPs. CD was more practical as is streaming nowadays so having all the experience in great sound today I sit in my sofa and stream music from endless libraries
What is apparent in your video is how better LP reproduces bass, cymbals, snare drum and specially voice, compared to stream vocal on LP sounds richer in lower harmonics and easier on the ear
it's not night and day. you've been listening to digital all the while then to suddenly switch to analog seems like a jump up because it's a different presentation (something new) but i believe after awhile it wont seem so. i personally go for digital because of the convenience but it's a good subject you brought up.
In this case vinyl makes an a lot better impression. Kind of difference usually between DS and r2r dacs.
Kiedyś posłuchałem w Rcm gramofonu TechDas Air Force One i Cd Vitusa z najwyższej półki...gramofon zmiażdżył cedeka.
No jest coś w tym brzmieniu genialnego ale ja w to nie weszłem bo bym się utopił...😄
Dopóki się nie porówna to da się żyć z tym "gorszym"😅
Try re recording this with your Samsung ultra phone, the differences might be clearer.
I've just noticed as an oscillation going on with the digital signal more than the analog what is surprising! you could try putting the turntable belt in a bag of talcum powder and then just give it a little shake this is good give you better speed control. But notting high humid areas Poland be fine I think😂
Onkk audio Turntable - Phasemation Cartridges and phonostage. 😉
A couple of things firstly get a cable from the turntable to the preamp that is 43ohns with very low capacitance and inductance, if you want to buy a ready-made cable get the Blue Jeans zero capacitance what uses a Belden cable, get double shielded 43ohms Belden cable they do a 23 ohm that might be better not tried it make the cartridge more sensitive! Also isolate the turntable as much as possible you could use jelly packs from the supermarket the ones in the plastic bags, put them under the feet. ideally you need to drain the main bearing! this is a massive improvement will really lower the noise floor of the turntable, find a box or even a cardboard tube you have to glue it to the base of the turntable hot glue is probably the cleanest to remove if that's a concern for you! over the main bearing, make sure it doesn't touch any surface when the turntable is put background! You need to fill it and pack it with dry kilm or better tungsten powder you can get its use for golf clubs, put a top on glue it with superglue, make sure you cover all the bearing with sand / tungsten especially the bottom I would say at least 12mm. be find if you can raise the turntable up with the jelly or and extra type of feet. Even using cup coasters under the feet is good, you have to stack them and put a bit of blue tack between them as a sandwich. I disagree with levelling the turntable bit controversial i know! but having a slight tilt at about one degree from the center of the motor to the Center of the spindle in a downward slope is better on a belt driven table. Also play with your bias anti skate it's usually better to have it less than what the weight of the cartridge even by one gram! This is a good adjustment with headphones. Also slightly adjust your tracking Force weight, usually it's good to have it between the minimum and maximum grams, but moving up or down between these two by 0.2-0.3 +/- can achieve good results, usually the heavier it is the better bass you get the lighter it is better top end. Isolation is very important for a turntable if you use three or four different types of platforms this is good, especially if you've got bass music and draining the bearing and motor but we won't go into that. I'm not sure balanced cables is good? Michael fidler disagrees it can create more noise he is a engineer and designs phono stages very good ones. he does explain it on his YT channel why it's not a good idea.
I think it's something to do with being a passive balance signal not an active balance signal you're not getting the advantages of the active part. Anyway there's some food for thought for you there! You could also try a DS cartridges but you need a special preamp that is very similar to digital but smoother it's a light emitting sensor diode. Also very good is dbx records, with a dbx analogue decoder, can achieve 118 DB dynamic range you can pick them up for about 130 euros decoder records are generally available but not being made for quite a long time I don't think not since the 80s I wish they would start reprinting dbx records.
Also you can get great results by putting a puddle of water on the record use dionised water, you'll need to put the styli on some blotting paper afterwards few seconds just to drain the water but shouldn't do any harm. that's what they do in Studios when they record records lower the noise floor of the record comes more like the wax version. Also a nice blob of Blu-Tack on the turntable where you can drop the stylus it cleans the styli don't use the gel stuff!!! massage a inch piece of blu tack for five minutes and plop it on the table now and again just move it. Best stylist cleaner and hard brushing but you shouldn't need to do that that often once a month if that and clean your records new and old.
Take a breath dude
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I need to come up for air I know😂
@@jedi-mic
Gee wizz mate 🤣
900 bucks doesn't go very far. What you played though shows that entry level analog has a place in a system. I could hear several types of distortions at different times and some pops. Those can all be cured with a better cartridge or a rebuilt cart from Sound Design. Change the cantilever to sapphire and you will ride deeper in the groove. The pops disappear. Also the shape they cut the diamond is different. My cart was 1200 bucks new but after the cantilever got bent I sent it in. It came back sounding so much better for less than 4 hundred bucks. That change made the biggest improvement in my system. Bigger than any of the 6 phono stages in the under $2000 bracket. Your digital side sounds fantastic, maybe better than mine lol.
Which DAC would be recommended if you listen exclusively to CD's through speakers not headphones?- Classical piano preferred listening. No streaming in my system. Everyone can chime in on this question. Thanks. I am not a fan of Delta/Sigma.
We would need to know your maximum budget to make any worthwhile recommendations.
@@bbfoto7248 $6000 US.
If you have deeper pockets, perhaps Mola Mola Tambaqui or Rockna Wavedream balanced could be worth to give it a listen 🔥🐹🔥
Vinyl ruulz!
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On first track wins vynil.
On second track wins streaming .... But its very very dificult to have a winer.
But well recorded music sound better on CD AND VYNIL! I tested!
But if you stream your original file on your library its the same!!!
With countless hundreds of different audio components, comparing two of them and coming to a conclusion about ALL OF THEM, is like comparing two restaurants and coming to a conclusion about ALL OF THEM. It would be one rare turntable/cartridge that could come anywhere close to my digital playback with cds. And the lp playback would still have problems with ticks and pops, bad pressings, warps, inner groove distortion, wear, having to get up after each side, cleaning lps, taking up whole rooms of space for storage, cover seam splits static attracting dust, styluses attracting dust, AND Rip Off Pricing! But other than that, lps are no problem!
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RATIO IS ABOUT CORRECT ...!!!
Didn't come acrosss, I guess youtube killed it.
I just went yesterday to Kuzma's showroom in Kranj, Slovenija and brought with my CDP Marantzt MK17 Ken Ishiwata Signature which is to my ears better, more natural sounding device (TDA 1547 dac-chip) even than Mojo2 and other dac's up to 1000 EUR I have tested so far (I also have Wiim Ultra for streaming) to really hear a difference between vinyl/TT and digital sound on a really great system with great Kuzma's TT. I did not hear it in my system with some good old Philips TT with old needle of course.
The difference was more obvious and bigger than I had ever expected in my mind or imagination. Digital simply sucks in comparison in all aspects, even in dynamics is not superior. You can be fooled by digital's micro and macro dynamics by emphasized the edge's of the notes and sharpness, but in essence it lacks tones and harmonies - it sounds like a plucked chicken :))
So I am not thinking any more about getting in my system a better DAC, but I will go for some entry level Kuzma's TT in the future.
Grats on finding that Cd player. I had to settle on my second favorite the Sony 507ESD but it is still really amazing paired with OCC rca cables. Someday I will find that Marantz in good condition.
Vinyl rules not just for sound. My local vinyl shop is an amazing place to be: coffee, chat, concerts and friendship. I’m very lucky having a shop near home like this. I also disagree with the way artists are not paid decent amounts of money by the likes of Spotify etc. Live music is the best way to listen to music.
Streamer wins.
Bravo!!!
you can't hear properly
Perhaps, if you are listening the edges of the notes.
Cool video but I hate those stupid video glitches
DAC sounds better to me
There are some real tweakers in these comments, wowee. 🙄
My system is built around streaming, so I’m gonna pretend like I didn’t watch this video 😑
Hahahahahaha great 😃👍
Yes a continuous analog wave is how musical instruments, the human voice and your ears work. Audio never has to be digitized. Slicing and dicing always leaves audible artifacts. Which is why you can never experience the analog sound from any digital source such as CDs, streaming, RUclips...
No surprises in what you say. The problem is the poor quality of the digitization of the albums in these streaming services + added normalization and the phase and time shift that occurs in the transmission.
No surprises in what you say. The problem is the low quality of the digitization of the albums in those streaming services + added normalization and the phase and time shift that occurs in the transmission. That is why it is essential to optimize the OS to play multimedia, so that the JITTER generated in the CPU is as low as possible.
The same 4K / AAC 192kbps video that I upload to RUclips (4K Vinyl rips channel) and Vimeo sounds much better in the second service due to the lower added normalization. The more dynamic the recording and instrumental complexity, the greater the difference I notice.
On Vimeo, the free account allows only two uploads per month up to a maximum of 25. For now I only have 7 videos, after deleting one for rights. This weekend I will upload two that are already on YT.
the 10+ system sounds too hifi. the 1000k has less congestion wihcih sholdinterpret the drynamic range better etc.
deintaily less congested in the soundstage as well deepens is not reflected through digital congestion?
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1,000$ - Pro-Ject Debut EVO 2 + Pro-Ject Phono Box S2
Sound is nothing special. Distortion
10,000$ Streaming
Less bass, more highs. Less "organic". More clean.
Nothing special
You need to spend more money in the analog system to play very good recordings with high DR. 2.000 TT + 2.000 Cartridge + 1.000 Phono + cables. A machine to clean vinyls and... System: 6.000 €
BTW, off the most well-known brands focus only on Technics and Rega. Some of us have been in the world of vinyl, SACD, CD and digital files for many years. Before the new vinyl fashion it was much cheaper to buy excellent second-hand TTs. With the appropriate modifications, well known in the vinyl world, a great leap in quality can be achieved without spending as much money as in 2024 and new material.
Both sound like 500$.