@@ovalfps ricochet was mostly a good farming items, but now farming is bad, especially when jungle is nerfed and kill reward is higher so fights and pushes are more important. Rushing ricochet leaves infernus too weak for too long and delays items that would have helped him being useful in fights throughout the game. Outside of farming, you just don't get the opportunity to hit multiple opponents that much to make ricochet worth it. There are just many better items to buy that help infernus in fights.
@@XxSakuyaa ah interesting. Pocket does have a very high skill ceiling - don’t get discouraged if your progress is slow. Do tell if you want some (general) tips and tricks. I assume you’ve already learned that Pocket’s kit relies on burst (engage, burst, disengage - repeat when your cooldowns are ready). Have fun ;)
This list should be two types one for solos and the other for setups teams or communication Dinamo for example needs team coordination to get full value from his kit
Because if u take fights before late game u do nothing He loses to every other char in terms of dmg and ur essentially a 2 bot until ur online. Hes the slowest of the hypercarries to get online and also requires the most time to do his dmg.
He plays Paradox too tho, and much better than Bebop apparently because she's more usable on higher ranks. Bebop rarely being the hero that decides the game, always relies on his other teammates so then Bebop won't keep getting targeted by the enemies. Several other heroes thrives well in variety of comps, but Bebop only has specific comps that can make him useful otherwise he would become a burden on the match.
You forgot one of the other ways they butchered Haze. They changed Lucky Shot so when it procs it no longer adds a Fixation stack, effectively nerfing her Fixation stack speed by 33%. So not only did they gut her Ult but her M1 burst potential is significantly nerfed. On top of that, I completely agree with what you said about the “farming carries”. With the soul sharing changes and the nerfs to Jungle, souls are more even now, it’s harder to get ahead in souls, and match times are generally shorter than they used to be. This makes it so Heroes (like Haze) who relied more on late game powerspikes, weaker overall. As a Haze main, I honestly would put her in D-tier. I don’t see any reason to pick her over other Heroes like Wraith who can fill the same role but do it better with built in spirit damage, better escapes, utility, etc. Good Tier list overall!
I have been maining warden for a while and I have figured out what makes him strong. The ability to run absolutely anyone down. He is an assassin that runs at people, deletes them, then gets away easily. His gun damage can be ridiculous, especially with glass cannon and burst fire+ titanic mag. All you need to do is get a bit of a souls lead.
The devs hate Warden. They finally give him faster bullets so he can farm without relying on melee all the time and then completely nerf his ult now that people figure out how to make him useful (with the Hydration build). Warden still has to use 10 items + abilities to land a single Binding Word and wait 2 secs to cast his ult. Meanwhile other heroes press 4 and change a battle in an instant. I'm going back to cancer main Mo & Krill. 😂
Warden is actually really good right now. Dps/tank hybrid is pretty dominating right now cause tanks have been becoming meta plays. Trust me, he is definitely not D Tier. In higher ranks he is actually quite the menace right now. And people started using his ult more defensively when its an outscaled push from the enemy team, his tankyness and early dps items will push almost an entire team back, plus if warden reaches endgame build, he can essentially 1v6. His gun alone with the bullet speed now, has always done a lot of dmg. His abilities are a bonus, its the gun and good aim that hits like a truck. I never rly played warden but I got good aim and I've been doing quite well on him, he is definitely more in the A tier rn. Definitely not D
I disagree with warden being D tier. the bullet velocity increase lets you secure souls, deny souls, and harass the enemy laner in the phase to get an early lead. Without unstoppable on T3 is like having your ult be canceled in the very late game now and you should be punished if you just randomly ult in front of the enemy. You ult when the enemy is not noticing you or doesn't have a CC available. the veil build is the way to go, since it got buffed and +1 sprint gets you to places faster and help ur team out.
the infurnas take felt more off than anything else. his win rate is substantially lower than it used to be. i know high pick rate = lower win rate but 44% is abysmal.
shiv in top of B is absolutely insane. the only counterplay to killing blow is to not get below 28% or to quickly heal out of the threshold. having even a slight disadvantage when engaging a shiv is a dead sentence and with the new changes of souls received on kill a good or even alright shiv can snowball hard
@albertoshitsneeze1774 yeah in low elo games lol, shiv isn't great at the moment and if you think his ult is a problem I feel bad for the elo you play in
Slowing hex shuts down his ult and 2, debuff remover for bleed, silence if you have the ability to burst, or just run mo and krill lmfao. He has PLENTY counters. Play to improve. Learn items in the game, not every game is a copy and paste the RUclips build I found.
Abrams can still pull off a heavy melee on a Debuff Reducer opponent you just have to look down to shorten the distance the punch has to travel. Very risky but possible.
To be honest Seven is more of a support early, his stun and giant orb slows to help other people who actually do damage and get the confirms. His gun and 3rd ability is most of the damage nowadays but Sevens dont play around it and it has like a 40 sec CD, plus for you to REALLY start feeling his damage it has to get pretty late in the game, I think most sevens are stuck on Ball build when its kinda meh nowadays
I think stun echo shard build on seven is A tier, 5 seconds stunning the whole team with huge range, then throwing a 200dps ball and spamming headshots, and you can cast it on yourself so they cant use debuff remover + good for stealing crystal, 20sec cooldown btw
It can be good but in higher ranks I'm pretty sure it's useless. Yes you can potentially get a massive stun but because its delayed it gives people plenty of time to get out of the way of your team with all of the high mobility or people just build unstop or debuff remover if its getting out of hand and pop it before the stun goes off. You're better off using him as a gun damage carry with his rediculous farm potential and high single target damage. Its just the best, especially now that spirit ball seven isn't as viable.
@@hakuryu5874 maybe but his whole kit is S tier CC with the huge stuns, balls, power surge and ult and it make him atleast A tier. You can trhow one stun on one enemy and one more on another in a teamfight and you make the whole team disperse or they get stunned, or throwing both on yourself and majestic leap or warp stone into the team taming the stun and they dont have time to run
Is there any other playstyle/s that is fun and powerful to play if you know what your doing like lifesteal or spirit builds for Shiv or is it melee or nothing?
Can anyone identify the music in the background? Specifically the one in the beginning? It was used in a previous video and am still trying to find out
You need to preface these lists with what kind of play environment its aimed at A little clarification helps iron out the nuance significantly. Also are you backing this up with stats or is this just vibes based?
Mirage should be at least A tier. The laning stage is strong cause of scarabs and headshot dmg. The mid game is super strong cause ult ganking now gives more souls than before. Late game your damage scales really well as long as you play in the backline, hit your headshots, and use your tornado properly.
Warden in D is ragebait. He has one of the better ults in the game, and the ult + majestic leap combo is still wreaking havoc at Phantom 5. He's just so good at killing people
@@goldtorizo2294 they only added unstoppable for 2 weeks (added oct. 24th, removed nov. 7th). But his ult was already very strong before unstoppable was added. And unstoppable was added for free (they didn't remove anything for it). So basically warden now got 50% spirit during channel for free. Also unstoppable was at T3 but the spirit resist is in the base ability. They nerfed majestic leap CD though, that's the real change, this reduces warden's lows because he kind of has to save majestic leap for ult and gets less value from it outside of ult engage, but his highs are just as high as before. Replacing T3 unstoppable by base ability 50% spirit resist is probably a buff because it helps before majestic leap, and once you get majestic leap you don't need unstoppable anyway All this for saying: removing unstoppable on ult T3 does nothing to nerf warden because it was added for free when warden was already super strong.
as a new player, I'm having so much fun with Bebop, until i joined my 250hours in game friend and suddenly i can't pull shit mid game until the end, therefore I'm useless. man knows what he's saying, C is a fair tier for a hero that's very situational: A. u gotta pull them B. u can't lack on souls so your build is actually spamming abilities and do some damage.
Every game I've played with Bepop in upper Phantom, he has hard carried. Each bomb does a third to half our health with AOE dmg and his ult lifesteal is ridiculous even with healbane. Definitely very powerful right now.
Bomb counters: Debuff remover, invulnerability. Hook counters: Rescue beam (yup you cant itemize against it 1v1 so you have to dodge it) Ult counters: Knockdown, curse(obviously), jumping over him
@@Starryeyed55 right, there is the problem. Each and every person has to go against their build path to build towards countering him because he’s so strong. You have to build upwards of 6,750 souls outside of your preferred build just so that he doesn’t ruin the game. And that’s not including to counter his ultimate which is just as strong as his bombs. Every character has counters. That is not the only thing that judges their power. It’s how much you have to invest to not get annihilated by them. Regardless of all the damage he does, the hook will always have value.
@@jessewalker1812 If you are unwilling to deviate from your build in order to counter their carry, that is entirely your fault and you deserve to lose.
Does vindicta crow tick rate every 0.5s->1s change escalating esposure even though escalating exposure max tickrate is 0.7s? Seems like that line in EE is meant for that situation, so wouldn't it be the same? From what I understand
As a lowerish mmr/intermediate player i find myself dying to yamato seemingly becoming immortal even in team fight settings so yeah i say they cool it with her 4 ability
I disagree with saying paradox is just better in the bebop conversation. Sure if you miss hook you don’t do much but I feel like that arguement can’t be kinda applied to paradox as well. Bebop gets that crazy pick potential on a basic ability and it doesn’t put you at risk and it’s lower cd until maybe super late game once paradox stacks enough cooldown reduction. Paradox has the potential to put herself at risk with the swap(i understand that good players will choose their moment better) and missing it is arguably more punishing on paradox, even if it’s easier to hit with the kinetic carbine combo. I’m not saying paradox is bad or that bebop is better, i just don’t think your statement was entirely accurate, trying to not be disrespectful. I just think that conversation has a lot of nuance.
To me its because missing carbine swap = skill issue whereas bebop cant control it due to it not being a guaranteed hit. Swap is usually a 30 sec CD in mid/late and you have warp stone, plus silence glyph bebop has a short window where they can still get out due to it being a projectile whereas wall swap is guaranteed, hope this helps
@@AverageJonas Yes, I addressed this in my previous message but to elaborate further since I do not think you are respecting the complexity this discussion can have, bebops hook gets access to longer range hook earlier, and fundamentally, since paradox combo takes 2 abilities, and bebop still has bomb, uppercut, and ult left over to use after hook, means that he fundamentally has more options if he misses, as well as paradox swap is her ultimate, which gates her from this pick potential early, and doesnt get cast range until T3, which is when it really comes online. I think to sum up what I think is actually going on, is that bebop has wayy more pick potential early, but if the game goes longer than 25 minutes then paradox really comes online and has more pick potential. Dumbing down my point to "not hitting paradox swap combo = skill issue" does not give the conversation the respect i was trying to give you. Hope this helps!
@@cazidesh8617bro, don't pretend you're being respectful here 😂 And in no world was Jonas disrespectful in that message. If you're mad the streamer didn't say all the words you said that's on you, he just responded to the parts he thought were most relevant surely, like any other person would
@@cazidesh8617 this comes down to at what level your tier list is. The highest the rank the better paradox becomes because high skilled players are not going to miss many carbine shots due to it being hitscan. That's why paradox is insta pick/ban in tournaments and bebop is never in the discussion there. However at lower rank, with worse aim, bebop and paradox tend towards a similar success rate and impact.
@@zilliq-qz5uw Yeah this is where I would say @cazidesh8617 needs to realize that YES the conversation is way more complex especially when you factor in the different levels of skill for players, which he failed to take into account.
I still don't understand how you say paradox swap is better than a bebop hook. The paradox wall silence combo with the swap is great but you have to have 3 abilities off cooldown for the full combo. Bebop can get his hook every 9.5 secs and can have over 80m range with very little investment. Whereas most of the time paradox swap range is very short until late game where even then it's still shorter range. There's also the fact that you can put yourself into danger by swapping places, making it more situational. As a hero in general I believe paradox is better for the team however to say bebop hook is worse than the swap I'd have to disagree with. The hook is OP.
because the carbine projectile speed is like a normal bullet so it's way more consistent compared to hook. Even if hook has a 80m range, it's so slow that you're basically coinflipping. Also, they get silenced and slowed. waiting for all the CDs isn't that bad once you have improved CD, and putting yourself out of position is pretty much a non-issue if you have divine barrier, warp stone, or fleetfoot+heavy melee charge. you typically get all these items around 12-16k, so it's not much of a wait.
Hook is op for low elo for people that dont respect its loud ass casting noise and its slow projectile speed, paradox better in high elo because its hit scan and good players wont miss ever bc hitboxes in this game are huge
Paradox is better cause of consistency. You just have to respect swap a lot more in the late game than hook. Although bebop isn't nearly as bad as C. His lane is really, really strong still and pick potential makes up for the inconsistency by being spammable and better range. He's probably high B imo.
It seems like I can always Parry Abrams after shoulder charge even without debuff reducer? Or is all of them just not using the melee fast enough after stun?
I agree with the "is every Seven player bad?" They are, i play Seven and everytime i don't, is SO EASY to outplay the Seven player in the lobby. You gotta be creative with that character to be usefull. And yes, is not that good compared to many other.
As someone who has primarily played M&K for awhile it feels a bit weird to see him in S lol, always been good but never quite S. Ngl Knockdown is a pretty legit counter to Mo since it will knock him out of Burrow and Combo, been seeing it popping up more against me lately.
I'm in a lower tier but I like using his ball to zone people out. You go for like mystic slow and what not to keep them trapped in it while ticking a lot of damage. His ult I use only really in base and only when we're up or down by one or two players. It's just to be annoying because you lifesteal off minions and the tickle starts stacking up if you don't deal with it and then your teammates have some breathing room to clean up.
Still think haze is easily the worst hero right now, the ultimate (even with ricochet) does poor damage when more then 2 people are in your radius. If she falls behind she feels useless so she resorts to farming the whole jungle, but then they lowered the souls amount from neutral creeps. I don't really understand why they gave fire rate to her ultimate when her most common builds already stack tons of fire rate with items like swift striker, burst fire etc.
@@scuraballthetrueone she does a lot of damage with fixation stacks (it stacks to 40) so she'll always need attack speed for stacking faster with left click. But I think you're right in saying that people will need some time to adapt and find how to play her with this change. Technically her ult was buffed in 1v1 so she's probably more of a duelist or split pusher now (hunter aura)
She's by far the worst lol. She was already bad before the nerfs except for pubstomping dirt league games. Absolutely useless hero, I hate having a haze on my team... and seeing one on the enemy team is freelo
100% correct on haze, I am phantom V about 300 games on haze.. she went from the worst early game champ that scales great late game.. to mediocre late game. Fixation is about useless with this update, just replace it with a defensive ability at this point. Plus the nerf to jungle farm makes her progression even slower now GG Haze mains
im new'ish to the game but i think im ok with mobas, been playing haze seven and abram and can confidently say that current Haze is worthless, Seven exists and Abrams is just 👍
Infernus is boots right now, wdym. Bebop is still one of if not the best support in the game. One hook is all it takes to flip a team fight. He should not be able to have solo carry potential.
I think they went too far with the paradox wall nerf. It should at least do SOME damage at level one whether it’s a smaller % of health or just a flat value with scaling. It’s almost useless except to hide behind until you get 3ap in it and really kills her early game outplay potential and just makes her early game less fun overall
@@counter-terrorists4859 I'd say that she's hella good gun wise, but her abilities are all oriented towards small and annoying damage, no defense or health, no insane finishing moves.
I always disagree so much with your tier lists. They feel more like the level of difficulty you personally have dealing with them with your prefered heroes than they more globally after discussion with several people.
Went 25/10 against shitters in casual on my main man Seven last night. He has to play so differently than the other characters, but man he is NOT bad. I feel like it’s just a playstyle incompatibility with a lot of people, as Seven works like a mage.
Nice explanation. The games have definitely felt faster lately. As a previous Haze raid boss builder, I can confirm that rushing ricochet is dead right now. Tesla bullets suffice for farming, and ricochet becomes a luxury to amplify ult if the game goes late.
disagree with warden D tier. Been doing top 1-3 in all my warden games (not ultra high elo, but not low either). His ability to turn fights quickly and dish out massive aoe damage, lockdown, debuff, etc is underrated.
Shocker that a farm reliant hero that has to buy intelligent items on a game by game basis and can hard grief a teamfight by committing a bad ult has a low winrate
@@alucard92717 bro, so what the point of these rankings? talking about dynamo being the best hero because he can win the game in 1 ulti? but what if enemies don't provide this opportunity? i want some practical knowledge from these rankings and not just theoretical "if infernus is 20% souls above enemy team he is the best carry", "dynamo is the best because he can ulti in 6 ppl", "hero X is the best if he shoots headshots only for the entire game" these takes are just useless ramblings i can easily counter your argument - deadlock tracker shows hero rating for top 1% of the players. And infernus is still very low here. If top 1% of the players don't know how to play the hero, maybe hero is just weak? Where is edge between hero is "best carry in the game" and hero is "just average"? if in the next patch they made afterburn requiring 50 hits, it will still be the best carry in the game based on your logic?
All your videos are pretty good, but why are your tierlists always so out of touch with the actual state of the game? Even just the percentages on tracking sites, but putting those aside, most eternus players have pretty much the same list but yours is always miles different, I do have to say constructively, I feel like you need to do more research or non biased ranking. Maybe even explain if its a low elo tierlist or high elo tierlist cause they are also completely different. But yours just seem so messy and I don't know why because the rest of your content is actually not bad at all. Please do not take this as an attack but as someone with decently deep game knowledge and ascendant/eternus friends. We all have been wondering the same thing.
Maybe because I make tier lists for content and they are all subjective from the POV of what heroes you play the most. You are taking this way to seriously, its just a biweekly patch update tier list, you don't have to back things with statistics to have discussions and you don't have to agree. I do think its weird to say things like "we are all wondering the same thing". You don't need a license to make a tier list, its supposed to be for entertainment/education for the general audience and since it always brings more discussion it seems to be working out. I am not claiming to be a pro player and I am by no means neutral and I don't spend every day looking at statistics, nor do I need to. It's just an opinion and you don't need to take it that seriously. These tier lists are just made on stream while discussing with the viewers what they think as well, I understand you aren't trying to attack me but they way you are communicating comes off as pretty entitled, especially your last sentence. Again, it's not that deep
@@AverageJonas I apologize if it came off as entitled, I didn't mean to, and for that again, I apologize, I was just wondering why it was so different from others on the same level, but rereading it I do sound like a bit entitled and I swear I did not mean it that way. I follow your content, I am subscribed to you after all. I only saw it as bit deeper cause its still a tier list and for certain players it can send off a completely wrong message and maybe get them to play not the ideal heroes, maybe separating the ranks could help, but again. I am sorry. No offence meant at all, and you are right, I was also in a bit of a mood yesterday and I took it out on you but still wanted to debate, but I am not the type to argue or prove im right, I love to debate. And I failed my task completely yesterday. Please do forgive me, I mean it sincerely.
@@AverageJonas You are absolutely right, I retract what I said, it was out of character, I wanted to communicate it way smoother and definitely more like an open debate, and I feel like I offended you which was 100% not my intent, I feel like an idiot. Why else do I watch your vids after all, I really like pretty much all your content just the lists got me always curious, but I will not say any more on that matter, I promise.
The only counterplay to Yamato is being ahead in souls. She is immune to everything BUT damage so you cant use any items on her, its almost impossible to burst her down as a team / solo cause of her resist and regen and unstoppable. What's worse is you cant run away cause she has a lock on engage that goes through walls when attached. If you nerf her ult too much its useless, when you buff it too much like now its too broken. Her ult needs to be reworked quickly
@@Black2overlord Doesnt matter she's immune to status effects in ult, She still gets hp steal and tons of resist without any counters. But yes, without her ult she's okay
Honestly its not too bad, long time shiv mains can still pilot him very well but you have to buy CC items like knockdown / slowing hex / silence which someone like Abrams doesn't need to
@@Bamblagrami think it’s more so when a character is really good, people like when they’re worse than they should be for a little bit, not that they want the character to never be good
Haze ult targeting 2 was added 1 month ago (oct 10) and warden unstoppable T3 was added 2 weeks ago (oct 24th) people act like this breaks them, but these are just reverts to version where these characters were already quite strong. To bring back some context: Warden got unstoppable T3 for free when he was already strong, and now he has 50% spirit resist on the base ability which one could argue is even better (in early/mid at least, before majestic). Haze went from 1 to 2 target ult but lost 15% fire rate. Now she's back to 1 target with 30% fire rate, so she got buffed from 1 month ago
I'm not sure how strong warden was back then (and I think he's probably B tier now) but iirc haze was considered strong back then because people weren't buying metal skin vs her as much, no?
just gonna ignore all the item changes and the skill as the games has gone on? People crying their eyes out a month ago about haze are now being laughed at because its super ass easy to get around. Most high level scrims and ranked players agreed that haze was a joke character totally dependent on not being counter even remotely and having a shit ton of souls all game.
Incorrect. Haze ult did not go from 1 target to 2 targets. It went from needing 3 points in ult for 2 targets, to getting 2 targets by default. Haze ult build always maxed fixation then ult. That said, haze was ALREADY terrible a month ago. She was one of the lowest winrate heros in the game, and virtually not picked/played in tournaments at all. The only reason there was reddit tears about haze is because she was a noob stomper in low mmr games. Worthless in high mmr. Now she's bad in low mmr too, because the noob stomping ult build has been deleted by the ult going from 2 targets to 1.
Infernus is either 0/10 or 10k souls ahead of both teams 1v9 without breaking a sweat. There is no in between.
That’s so true 😂
@@INDERSHOW Good if you can get ahead or hold out long enough to farm a lot.
most infernus just itemize badly. If you get ricochet, you are borderline trolling your team now as infernus
@@comfyadventure7882why is ricochet bad now?
@@ovalfps ricochet was mostly a good farming items, but now farming is bad, especially when jungle is nerfed and kill reward is higher so fights and pushes are more important. Rushing ricochet leaves infernus too weak for too long and delays items that would have helped him being useful in fights throughout the game. Outside of farming, you just don't get the opportunity to hit multiple opponents that much to make ricochet worth it. There are just many better items to buy that help infernus in fights.
Love this game just got access to the beta
Welcome! Don’t mind the childish drama and complaining, the community is alright.
Found your main yet?
Enjoy !! It's tough at first (like every moba) but it gets better with time
@@merriebee7701 mine is Pocket, but I find him pretty hard to learn which makes my dmg outcome hella low, plus new movement tech im not familiar with
@@XxSakuyaa ah interesting. Pocket does have a very high skill ceiling - don’t get discouraged if your progress is slow.
Do tell if you want some (general) tips and tricks. I assume you’ve already learned that Pocket’s kit relies on burst (engage, burst, disengage - repeat when your cooldowns are ready).
Have fun ;)
This list should be two types one for solos and the other for setups teams or communication Dinamo for example needs team coordination to get full value from his kit
if seven is farming the whole game that means he doesn't take many fights, which means he doesn't get a lot of kills or much player damage
Because if u take fights before late game u do nothing He loses to every other char in terms of dmg and ur essentially a 2 bot until ur online. Hes the slowest of the hypercarries to get online and also requires the most time to do his dmg.
Feel like these tier lists would carry more weight if you played anyone other than Bebop
he does... he just has the most to say about bebop
@ I was watching one of his streams recently and he checked his stats real quick and it’s easily 99% or more bebop
@@HamboneOG no that character is actually just trash
He plays Paradox too tho, and much better than Bebop apparently because she's more usable on higher ranks.
Bebop rarely being the hero that decides the game, always relies on his other teammates so then Bebop won't keep getting targeted by the enemies.
Several other heroes thrives well in variety of comps, but Bebop only has specific comps that can make him useful otherwise he would become a burden on the match.
Paradox is my best hero btw
Every average Jonas tier list is just complaining that bebop isn’t broken 😂
@@Cheeseburgergang1 This is the most accurate statement out there. He doesn’t know how broken he is because he is Bebop.
I like watching this and seeing where you put my mains and where you put your main
Pocket has the most fun kit out of all characters. Hes very strong if you know how to use him well
You forgot one of the other ways they butchered Haze. They changed Lucky Shot so when it procs it no longer adds a Fixation stack, effectively nerfing her Fixation stack speed by 33%.
So not only did they gut her Ult but her M1 burst potential is significantly nerfed.
On top of that, I completely agree with what you said about the “farming carries”. With the soul sharing changes and the nerfs to Jungle, souls are more even now, it’s harder to get ahead in souls, and match times are generally shorter than they used to be.
This makes it so Heroes (like Haze) who relied more on late game powerspikes, weaker overall.
As a Haze main, I honestly would put her in D-tier. I don’t see any reason to pick her over other Heroes like Wraith who can fill the same role but do it better with built in spirit damage, better escapes, utility, etc.
Good Tier list overall!
Right but it makes you rely less on the bullet damage. I for one, become the sleep demon with the dagger doing huge burst spirit damage
Lucky shot got fixed
@@Starryeyed55 Still doesn’t proc Fixation.
I have been maining warden for a while and I have figured out what makes him strong. The ability to run absolutely anyone down. He is an assassin that runs at people, deletes them, then gets away easily. His gun damage can be ridiculous, especially with glass cannon and burst fire+ titanic mag. All you need to do is get a bit of a souls lead.
yeah in low ranks lol
the problem is you arent able to run people down in high elo. they will run into their team and you will die for chasing
Debuff remover cancels all of his cooldowns at once. Then he's usesless
i like your dedication but imo u cannot get away w this in higher lobbies, but if u can get away with it then keep doing it brother
@@TheEthan3037 what I propose has nothing to do with his abilitys, just his speed and gun
Can’t wait for the Yamato nerf, so annoying rn
They already nerfed her the day after the patch.
@ she needs another bro 😵
The Ult is doing too much. Why is it Debuf remover, Unstoppable, echo shard, Self heal, ethereal shift, etc.... all in 1?
True, luckily one my friends plays no one but her and since I play mist games with him I don:t see her as often on the enemy team
Even more so that her power slash for some reason still hits you behind cover, makes laning phase extremely unbearable
The devs hate Warden. They finally give him faster bullets so he can farm without relying on melee all the time and then completely nerf his ult now that people figure out how to make him useful (with the Hydration build). Warden still has to use 10 items + abilities to land a single Binding Word and wait 2 secs to cast his ult. Meanwhile other heroes press 4 and change a battle in an instant. I'm going back to cancer main Mo & Krill. 😂
Warden is actually really good right now. Dps/tank hybrid is pretty dominating right now cause tanks have been becoming meta plays. Trust me, he is definitely not D Tier. In higher ranks he is actually quite the menace right now. And people started using his ult more defensively when its an outscaled push from the enemy team, his tankyness and early dps items will push almost an entire team back, plus if warden reaches endgame build, he can essentially 1v6. His gun alone with the bullet speed now, has always done a lot of dmg. His abilities are a bonus, its the gun and good aim that hits like a truck. I never rly played warden but I got good aim and I've been doing quite well on him, he is definitely more in the A tier rn. Definitely not D
I disagree with warden being D tier. the bullet velocity increase lets you secure souls, deny souls, and harass the enemy laner in the phase to get an early lead. Without unstoppable on T3 is like having your ult be canceled in the very late game now and you should be punished if you just randomly ult in front of the enemy. You ult when the enemy is not noticing you or doesn't have a CC available. the veil build is the way to go, since it got buffed and +1 sprint gets you to places faster and help ur team out.
what is the veil build?
How tf is warden in d-tier? Like is this opinion based on playing 1 character or smth?
34:27 🤣🤣🤣 melee shiv was a menace for a little while
This content is amazing! I'm hooked!
the infurnas take felt more off than anything else. his win rate is substantially lower than it used to be. i know high pick rate = lower win rate but 44% is abysmal.
shiv in top of B is absolutely insane. the only counterplay to killing blow is to not get below 28% or to quickly heal out of the threshold. having even a slight disadvantage when engaging a shiv is a dead sentence and with the new changes of souls received on kill a good or even alright shiv can snowball hard
@albertoshitsneeze1774 yeah in low elo games lol, shiv isn't great at the moment and if you think his ult is a problem I feel bad for the elo you play in
I haven't died to shiv ult in like a week fam. Maybe 20-25 games without dying to shiv ult. Top 50% ELO and casuals
Buggiest character in the game
Slowing hex shuts down his ult and 2, debuff remover for bleed, silence if you have the ability to burst, or just run mo and krill lmfao. He has PLENTY counters. Play to improve. Learn items in the game, not every game is a copy and paste the RUclips build I found.
You could eternal shift as soon as he uses it if you can time it right.
Abrams can still pull off a heavy melee on a Debuff Reducer opponent you just have to look down to shorten the distance the punch has to travel. Very risky but possible.
To be honest Seven is more of a support early, his stun and giant orb slows to help other people who actually do damage and get the confirms.
His gun and 3rd ability is most of the damage nowadays but Sevens dont play around it and it has like a 40 sec CD, plus for you to REALLY start feeling his damage it has to get pretty late in the game, I think most sevens are stuck on Ball build when its kinda meh nowadays
I think stun echo shard build on seven is A tier, 5 seconds stunning the whole team with huge range, then throwing a 200dps ball and spamming headshots, and you can cast it on yourself so they cant use debuff remover + good for stealing crystal, 20sec cooldown btw
It can be good but in higher ranks I'm pretty sure it's useless. Yes you can potentially get a massive stun but because its delayed it gives people plenty of time to get out of the way of your team with all of the high mobility or people just build unstop or debuff remover if its getting out of hand and pop it before the stun goes off. You're better off using him as a gun damage carry with his rediculous farm potential and high single target damage. Its just the best, especially now that spirit ball seven isn't as viable.
Not sure why this build ran out of favour, it was played in tournaments for a bit but not anymore. I think support ginnis killed it
@@hakuryu5874 maybe but his whole kit is S tier CC with the huge stuns, balls, power surge and ult and it make him atleast A tier. You can trhow one stun on one enemy and one more on another in a teamfight and you make the whole team disperse or they get stunned, or throwing both on yourself and majestic leap or warp stone into the team taming the stun and they dont have time to run
Yeah it's decent, ever heard of debuff remover? Lmao
@@zombieboss5178 you cant debuff romove if seven cast it on himself
Is there any other playstyle/s that is fun and powerful to play if you know what your doing like lifesteal or spirit builds for Shiv or is it melee or nothing?
Bro stop dropping BEBOP at the bottom always. He is tier A/B no need to be bias.
Can anyone identify the music in the background? Specifically the one in the beginning?
It was used in a previous video and am still trying to find out
SEND HELP PLZZ
You need to preface these lists with what kind of play environment its aimed at
A little clarification helps iron out the nuance significantly. Also are you backing this up with stats or is this just vibes based?
So what you mean to say is that you aren’t sure why 6 was afraid of 7?
Mirage should be at least A tier. The laning stage is strong cause of scarabs and headshot dmg. The mid game is super strong cause ult ganking now gives more souls than before. Late game your damage scales really well as long as you play in the backline, hit your headshots, and use your tornado properly.
Warden in D is ragebait. He has one of the better ults in the game, and the ult + majestic leap combo is still wreaking havoc at Phantom 5. He's just so good at killing people
His ult is his only good part, and they took the unstoppable off of it
hes A tier atm
I was wondering… been playing a lot recently and getting my ass kicked by Wardens LOTS.
@@Malachi_Msame
@@goldtorizo2294 they only added unstoppable for 2 weeks (added oct. 24th, removed nov. 7th). But his ult was already very strong before unstoppable was added. And unstoppable was added for free (they didn't remove anything for it). So basically warden now got 50% spirit during channel for free. Also unstoppable was at T3 but the spirit resist is in the base ability.
They nerfed majestic leap CD though, that's the real change, this reduces warden's lows because he kind of has to save majestic leap for ult and gets less value from it outside of ult engage, but his highs are just as high as before.
Replacing T3 unstoppable by base ability 50% spirit resist is probably a buff because it helps before majestic leap, and once you get majestic leap you don't need unstoppable anyway
All this for saying: removing unstoppable on ult T3 does nothing to nerf warden because it was added for free when warden was already super strong.
as a new player, I'm having so much fun with Bebop, until i joined my 250hours in game friend and suddenly i can't pull shit mid game until the end, therefore I'm useless.
man knows what he's saying, C is a fair tier for a hero that's very situational: A. u gotta pull them B. u can't lack on souls so your build is actually spamming abilities and do some damage.
Every game I've played with Bepop in upper Phantom, he has hard carried. Each bomb does a third to half our health with AOE dmg and his ult lifesteal is ridiculous even with healbane. Definitely very powerful right now.
Bomb counters:
Debuff remover, invulnerability.
Hook counters:
Rescue beam (yup you cant itemize against it 1v1 so you have to dodge it)
Ult counters:
Knockdown, curse(obviously), jumping over him
Reactive barrier, combat barrier, and debuff remover basically make bebop non issue
@@Starryeyed55 right, there is the problem. Each and every person has to go against their build path to build towards countering him because he’s so strong. You have to build upwards of 6,750 souls outside of your preferred build just so that he doesn’t ruin the game. And that’s not including to counter his ultimate which is just as strong as his bombs.
Every character has counters. That is not the only thing that judges their power. It’s how much you have to invest to not get annihilated by them. Regardless of all the damage he does, the hook will always have value.
@@jessewalker1812 If you are unwilling to deviate from your build in order to counter their carry, that is entirely your fault and you deserve to lose.
Does vindicta crow tick rate every 0.5s->1s change escalating esposure even though escalating exposure max tickrate is 0.7s? Seems like that line in EE is meant for that situation, so wouldn't it be the same? From what I understand
5 seconds used to get you 7 stacks of EE, now its 5
As a lowerish mmr/intermediate player i find myself dying to yamato seemingly becoming immortal even in team fight settings so yeah i say they cool it with her 4 ability
Warden D teir but is the second highest wr in eternus/ ascended ? Yamato highest wr
Both my champs in the thumbnail. Uh oh
36:30
one of abrams core items is duration extender which prevents parry out of bash every time
If you build debuff reducer all abrams stuns can be parried, even with extenders
I disagree with saying paradox is just better in the bebop conversation. Sure if you miss hook you don’t do much but I feel like that arguement can’t be kinda applied to paradox as well. Bebop gets that crazy pick potential on a basic ability and it doesn’t put you at risk and it’s lower cd until maybe super late game once paradox stacks enough cooldown reduction. Paradox has the potential to put herself at risk with the swap(i understand that good players will choose their moment better) and missing it is arguably more punishing on paradox, even if it’s easier to hit with the kinetic carbine combo. I’m not saying paradox is bad or that bebop is better, i just don’t think your statement was entirely accurate, trying to not be disrespectful. I just think that conversation has a lot of nuance.
To me its because missing carbine swap = skill issue whereas bebop cant control it due to it not being a guaranteed hit. Swap is usually a 30 sec CD in mid/late and you have warp stone, plus silence glyph bebop has a short window where they can still get out due to it being a projectile whereas wall swap is guaranteed, hope this helps
@@AverageJonas Yes, I addressed this in my previous message but to elaborate further since I do not think you are respecting the complexity this discussion can have, bebops hook gets access to longer range hook earlier, and fundamentally, since paradox combo takes 2 abilities, and bebop still has bomb, uppercut, and ult left over to use after hook, means that he fundamentally has more options if he misses, as well as paradox swap is her ultimate, which gates her from this pick potential early, and doesnt get cast range until T3, which is when it really comes online. I think to sum up what I think is actually going on, is that bebop has wayy more pick potential early, but if the game goes longer than 25 minutes then paradox really comes online and has more pick potential. Dumbing down my point to "not hitting paradox swap combo = skill issue" does not give the conversation the respect i was trying to give you. Hope this helps!
@@cazidesh8617bro, don't pretend you're being respectful here 😂
And in no world was Jonas disrespectful in that message.
If you're mad the streamer didn't say all the words you said that's on you, he just responded to the parts he thought were most relevant surely, like any other person would
@@cazidesh8617 this comes down to at what level your tier list is. The highest the rank the better paradox becomes because high skilled players are not going to miss many carbine shots due to it being hitscan.
That's why paradox is insta pick/ban in tournaments and bebop is never in the discussion there. However at lower rank, with worse aim, bebop and paradox tend towards a similar success rate and impact.
@@zilliq-qz5uw Yeah this is where I would say @cazidesh8617 needs to realize that YES the conversation is way more complex especially when you factor in the different levels of skill for players, which he failed to take into account.
Buddy just wants bebop buffs 👎
I made some guy crash out with viscous the other day lol. Its so much fun to ball on those fools
I still don't understand how you say paradox swap is better than a bebop hook. The paradox wall silence combo with the swap is great but you have to have 3 abilities off cooldown for the full combo. Bebop can get his hook every 9.5 secs and can have over 80m range with very little investment. Whereas most of the time paradox swap range is very short until late game where even then it's still shorter range. There's also the fact that you can put yourself into danger by swapping places, making it more situational. As a hero in general I believe paradox is better for the team however to say bebop hook is worse than the swap I'd have to disagree with. The hook is OP.
because the carbine projectile speed is like a normal bullet so it's way more consistent compared to hook. Even if hook has a 80m range, it's so slow that you're basically coinflipping. Also, they get silenced and slowed. waiting for all the CDs isn't that bad once you have improved CD, and putting yourself out of position is pretty much a non-issue if you have divine barrier, warp stone, or fleetfoot+heavy melee charge. you typically get all these items around 12-16k, so it's not much of a wait.
Hook is op for low elo for people that dont respect its loud ass casting noise and its slow projectile speed, paradox better in high elo because its hit scan and good players wont miss ever bc hitboxes in this game are huge
it's not hitscan bro try the character for 10 seconds@@samwhich99
bro got hit by a random hook and is a hater now
Paradox is better cause of consistency. You just have to respect swap a lot more in the late game than hook. Although bebop isn't nearly as bad as C. His lane is really, really strong still and pick potential makes up for the inconsistency by being spammable and better range.
He's probably high B imo.
I've started playing Paradox the last few days and it's so hard to know where she sits because I keep getting focused by yamatos lol
Abrams not being in GOD tier with 58% win rate in Eternus is crazy, but other than that, nice tier list.
yeah I actually consistently had abrams in S tier until recently, but Id also say its pretty close between each one up there, maybe he is S
I'm sorry but Warden is not D tier. His damage is huge.
It seems like I can always Parry Abrams after shoulder charge even without debuff reducer? Or is all of them just not using the melee fast enough after stun?
yeah if they slightly delay their melee u can parry, thats why they usually get duration ext
I agree with the "is every Seven player bad?"
They are, i play Seven and everytime i don't, is SO EASY to outplay the Seven player in the lobby. You gotta be creative with that character to be usefull. And yes, is not that good compared to many other.
As someone who has primarily played M&K for awhile it feels a bit weird to see him in S lol, always been good but never quite S.
Ngl Knockdown is a pretty legit counter to Mo since it will knock him out of Burrow and Combo, been seeing it popping up more against me lately.
Even in low elo Yamato is super annoying once you leave lane phase. I feel like she's manageable for a few minutes at the start at least lol
When the first 3 B tiers are your 3 mains D:
I'm in a lower tier but I like using his ball to zone people out. You go for like mystic slow and what not to keep them trapped in it while ticking a lot of damage. His ult I use only really in base and only when we're up or down by one or two players. It's just to be annoying because you lifesteal off minions and the tickle starts stacking up if you don't deal with it and then your teammates have some breathing room to clean up.
Ult is good at mid boss too
I have to say…I feel like I play against a lash every other game and does not feel good to play against when they’re good.
i agree but there should be a "when jerktavious plays them" tier and its above S tier and its j viscous cus jerktavious doesnt lose on viscous
Still think haze is easily the worst hero right now, the ultimate (even with ricochet) does poor damage when more then 2 people are in your radius. If she falls behind she feels useless so she resorts to farming the whole jungle, but then they lowered the souls amount from neutral creeps.
I don't really understand why they gave fire rate to her ultimate when her most common builds already stack tons of fire rate with items like swift striker, burst fire etc.
maybe so she can bypass buying those items and get other, cooler stats? idk I dont use haze
@@scuraballthetrueone she does a lot of damage with fixation stacks (it stacks to 40) so she'll always need attack speed for stacking faster with left click. But I think you're right in saying that people will need some time to adapt and find how to play her with this change. Technically her ult was buffed in 1v1 so she's probably more of a duelist or split pusher now (hunter aura)
I'm all for that archetype.
Everything is more interesting than "Use invis to get behind team, press 4, warp stone once maybe, win unless stunned"
She's by far the worst lol. She was already bad before the nerfs except for pubstomping dirt league games. Absolutely useless hero, I hate having a haze on my team... and seeing one on the enemy team is freelo
100% correct on haze, I am phantom V about 300 games on haze.. she went from the worst early game champ that scales great late game.. to mediocre late game. Fixation is about useless with this update, just replace it with a defensive ability at this point. Plus the nerf to jungle farm makes her progression even slower now GG Haze mains
@@akaCyanide oh no boohoo no one cares lmao
fixation preys on ppl who dont know how to sit behind a wall and wait for it to expire after like 15 stacks lol
@@HoonTurd lots of people care lol
im new'ish to the game but i think im ok with mobas, been playing haze seven and abram and can confidently say that current Haze is worthless, Seven exists and Abrams is just 👍
Why does your camera become blurred when you move? It's a bit distracting :)
Its just late at night so the face tracking is worse + its twitch bitrate
Infernus is boots right now, wdym. Bebop is still one of if not the best support in the game. One hook is all it takes to flip a team fight. He should not be able to have solo carry potential.
Yamato's ult should be immune to CC/DMG while channeling but not after.
She’s not immune to dmg in her ult just cc, any silence abilities shut her off
I think they went too far with the paradox wall nerf. It should at least do SOME damage at level one whether it’s a smaller % of health or just a flat value with scaling. It’s almost useless except to hide behind until you get 3ap in it and really kills her early game outplay potential and just makes her early game less fun overall
if u really need the extra damage j play yamato and eat crayons
@ hey buddy thanks for the very measured and normal response!
Enjoy these tier list videos.. You gorgeous gorgeous man
vindicta in B is absolutely unreal
Where would you put her then?
@@counter-terrorists4859 I'd say that she's hella good gun wise, but her abilities are all oriented towards small and annoying damage, no defense or health, no insane finishing moves.
@@lordium1848 her ult is a finisher??? Only way to really build her is hybrid but leaning on spirit, that bird damage is no joke
I always disagree so much with your tier lists.
They feel more like the level of difficulty you personally have dealing with them with your prefered heroes than they more globally after discussion with several people.
That would be because it’s his OPINION
yes he said this is from his experience
Used to be 150k to 250k now even 50k is a good day
Went 25/10 against shitters in casual on my main man Seven last night. He has to play so differently than the other characters, but man he is NOT bad. I feel like it’s just a playstyle incompatibility with a lot of people, as Seven works like a mage.
bro died 10 times 😭
I prefer to see haze on enemy team than my own team... to an enormous degree. She is by far the worst hero in the game now, it isn't even close.
Halo are you tester of valve deadlock?
Would love time stamps on this vid
Nice explanation. The games have definitely felt faster lately. As a previous Haze raid boss builder, I can confirm that rushing ricochet is dead right now. Tesla bullets suffice for farming, and ricochet becomes a luxury to amplify ult if the game goes late.
first, love this game love your content
Taking away the unstoppable from Warden is so goofy
disagree with warden D tier. Been doing top 1-3 in all my warden games (not ultra high elo, but not low either). His ability to turn fights quickly and dish out massive aoe damage, lockdown, debuff, etc is underrated.
Debuff remover negates his entire kit
Infernus winrate was the worst on deadlock tracker before the patch. After the patch he is even lower.
I don't think he belongs to A tier
he says from his experience, he is in ascendant lobbies so his experience is way off from the average
@@et897 deadlock tracker says this:
(only from high-ranked matches after 25th October)
Shocker that a farm reliant hero that has to buy intelligent items on a game by game basis and can hard grief a teamfight by committing a bad ult has a low winrate
@@alucard92717 bro, so what the point of these rankings? talking about dynamo being the best hero because he can win the game in 1 ulti? but what if enemies don't provide this opportunity?
i want some practical knowledge from these rankings
and not just theoretical "if infernus is 20% souls above enemy team he is the best carry", "dynamo is the best because he can ulti in 6 ppl", "hero X is the best if he shoots headshots only for the entire game"
these takes are just useless ramblings
i can easily counter your argument - deadlock tracker shows hero rating for top 1% of the players. And infernus is still very low here. If top 1% of the players don't know how to play the hero, maybe hero is just weak? Where is edge between hero is "best carry in the game" and hero is "just average"? if in the next patch they made afterburn requiring 50 hits, it will still be the best carry in the game based on your logic?
Put some respect on my Lash! SS Tier
this guys biased towards bebop.
more please
All your videos are pretty good, but why are your tierlists always so out of touch with the actual state of the game? Even just the percentages on tracking sites, but putting those aside, most eternus players have pretty much the same list but yours is always miles different, I do have to say constructively, I feel like you need to do more research or non biased ranking.
Maybe even explain if its a low elo tierlist or high elo tierlist cause they are also completely different. But yours just seem so messy and I don't know why because the rest of your content is actually not bad at all.
Please do not take this as an attack but as someone with decently deep game knowledge and ascendant/eternus friends. We all have been wondering the same thing.
Maybe because I make tier lists for content and they are all subjective from the POV of what heroes you play the most. You are taking this way to seriously, its just a biweekly patch update tier list, you don't have to back things with statistics to have discussions and you don't have to agree. I do think its weird to say things like "we are all wondering the same thing". You don't need a license to make a tier list, its supposed to be for entertainment/education for the general audience and since it always brings more discussion it seems to be working out. I am not claiming to be a pro player and I am by no means neutral and I don't spend every day looking at statistics, nor do I need to. It's just an opinion and you don't need to take it that seriously. These tier lists are just made on stream while discussing with the viewers what they think as well, I understand you aren't trying to attack me but they way you are communicating comes off as pretty entitled, especially your last sentence. Again, it's not that deep
@@AverageJonas I apologize if it came off as entitled, I didn't mean to, and for that again, I apologize, I was just wondering why it was so different from others on the same level, but rereading it I do sound like a bit entitled and I swear I did not mean it that way. I follow your content, I am subscribed to you after all. I only saw it as bit deeper cause its still a tier list and for certain players it can send off a completely wrong message and maybe get them to play not the ideal heroes, maybe separating the ranks could help, but again.
I am sorry. No offence meant at all, and you are right, I was also in a bit of a mood yesterday and I took it out on you but still wanted to debate, but I am not the type to argue or prove im right, I love to debate. And I failed my task completely yesterday. Please do forgive me, I mean it sincerely.
@@AverageJonas You are absolutely right, I retract what I said, it was out of character, I wanted to communicate it way smoother and definitely more like an open debate, and I feel like I offended you which was 100% not my intent, I feel like an idiot. Why else do I watch your vids after all, I really like pretty much all your content just the lists got me always curious, but I will not say any more on that matter, I promise.
“Bebop is weak needs buff. C tier hero. P.S. buff bebop because he carries me”
I play warden and think he is broken, ill accept buffs tho
The only counterplay to Yamato is being ahead in souls. She is immune to everything BUT damage so you cant use any items on her, its almost impossible to burst her down as a team / solo cause of her resist and regen and unstoppable. What's worse is you cant run away cause she has a lock on engage that goes through walls when attached.
If you nerf her ult too much its useless, when you buff it too much like now its too broken. Her ult needs to be reworked quickly
Healsbane, spirit resist, bullet/soul reducer. She still DIES in ult.
@@Black2overlord Doesnt matter she's immune to status effects in ult, She still gets hp steal and tons of resist without any counters.
But yes, without her ult she's okay
Just buy curse and shes useless
Sad to see my boy warden on D tier. 😢
Trust me he's not D tier, he has top 5 highest win rate at top 1% of players, definitely A tier imo
hero tier list nr69420
3 warden mains rise up
Is this the first time Abrams has been in A-tier?
second
last patch he was for the first time
@ Of course, I forgor
how far the shivs mains have fallen...
B tier is not even bad
Honestly its not too bad, long time shiv mains can still pilot him very well but you have to buy CC items like knockdown / slowing hex / silence which someone like Abrams doesn't need to
Proud to still be a shiv one-champ since i got my hands on Deadlock
Bro, I can't even play him like i used to , about a month ago.... :(
why can mcginnis never have a useful 1? the turrets are so fucking bad
as a Lash main.. hahahah yes Lash B tier ;)
I think bebop is at least low B tier
Gooball mains rise up!
Put bebop in a or s lil bro
Pls can u add the bgm of ur old valo videos please in these new videos , they were damn so nostalgic. Btw love ur new content❤
you should do char edits vids
Grey Talon is C tier now, if not worse
Good
@@chiefinasmith I agree-- I think good game design is when all the characters I don't like are very weak.
@@Bamblagram lmao he was way too strong dude. they went a little overboard with the nerfs but he was busted
@@Bamblagrami think it’s more so when a character is really good, people like when they’re worse than they should be for a little bit, not that they want the character to never be good
Paradox is the most broken on the list imo. Every seven is usually trash. Seven belongs in C
Yamato is annoying for sure, but falls off hard if you can survive to 30min. Then she's kind of a free kill
Haze ult targeting 2 was added 1 month ago (oct 10) and warden unstoppable T3 was added 2 weeks ago (oct 24th) people act like this breaks them, but these are just reverts to version where these characters were already quite strong.
To bring back some context: Warden got unstoppable T3 for free when he was already strong, and now he has 50% spirit resist on the base ability which one could argue is even better (in early/mid at least, before majestic).
Haze went from 1 to 2 target ult but lost 15% fire rate. Now she's back to 1 target with 30% fire rate, so she got buffed from 1 month ago
I'm not sure how strong warden was back then (and I think he's probably B tier now) but iirc haze was considered strong back then because people weren't buying metal skin vs her as much, no?
just gonna ignore all the item changes and the skill as the games has gone on? People crying their eyes out a month ago about haze are now being laughed at because its super ass easy to get around. Most high level scrims and ranked players agreed that haze was a joke character totally dependent on not being counter even remotely and having a shit ton of souls all game.
Incorrect. Haze ult did not go from 1 target to 2 targets. It went from needing 3 points in ult for 2 targets, to getting 2 targets by default. Haze ult build always maxed fixation then ult. That said, haze was ALREADY terrible a month ago. She was one of the lowest winrate heros in the game, and virtually not picked/played in tournaments at all. The only reason there was reddit tears about haze is because she was a noob stomper in low mmr games. Worthless in high mmr. Now she's bad in low mmr too, because the noob stomping ult build has been deleted by the ult going from 2 targets to 1.
How come you're not more famous?!
what are u talking about?
he is famous, just playing another game :/
@@plary_Bro this is a bot
@oldbandage376 uh, ok
@@plary_ sneaky bot
I think he used to be but lost all his Valorant fans lol
How the F bebop C tier?
because Jonas plays bebop and doesn't want anybody to touch his main.
@@scaryimpacts7504I was so confused on why he had bebop so low 😂
@@tranminhanh8227 because he's player dependant most people are trash at him and he's feast or famine
Bebop is probably better at lower rank where hooks are easier to land
@ gun bebop is at THE LEAST B tier. Only in phantom 5 rn but I’m noticing a pattern where bebop mains downplay him
Haze C is omegalul
disrespecting my boy Warden, dislike
TRUE
Game looks interesting. Is anyone willing to send an invite?
Haze is still A tier in my opinion 🤞
Thank you for rating Warden so low. I am absolutely dominating with that character, Valve plz no touch
haha me too