Reacting to a CONTROVERSIAL round of footy - The Monday Means Test - SEN
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Gerard Whateley and David King dissect all of the events of Round 16 that created plenty of talking points. They go through Sydney's slow starts, the curiosity around Collingwood, where Max King is best fitted in the AFL, the rise of the Hawks and more!
0:00 - 4:52 - Coaching Decisions
4:54 - 5:37 - Izak Rankine
5:47 - 7:53 - Sydney's slow starts
7:57 - 11:11 - Fremantle
11:17 - 12:28 - Logan McDonald
12:30 - 13:39 - Umpire Confusion
13:45 - 15:25 - Putting teams away early
15:26 - 19:30 - Essendon
19:31 - 23:17 - Umpiring in Geelong v Essendon
23:18 - 24:26 - Collingwood
24:28 - 27:39 - Gold Coast Suns
27:46 - 29:01 - Nick Daicos
29:02 - 34:27 - The rise of the Hawks
34:30 - 38:40 - Max King
38:41 - 39:45 - St Kilda
39:48 - 42:00 - Port Adelaide
42:15 - 46:52 - Pressure Index
46:53 - 48:13 - Seedings 
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Your absolutely right Kingy, the umpire's have influenced games this way by changing the momentum of games and no one says anything
As a Bomber I agree with Kingy. Free up Ridley & bring in Caddy in place of the second ruck.
I agree. One of Goldy or Draper needs to make way for
Yeah i agree Ridley remind me of Rance as a interceptor he was phenomenal but playing on someone he struggles and Caddy has to play he gives us so much flexibility he's got the height of Wright but has the agility and great as ground level which Wright, Draper and Goldstein don't have we are playing too tall and with Caddy he allows us to have a tall who also plays as a small
@@mattisvettelfan5 caddy is way smaller then Peter wright 😂 but you are right about bringing caddy in, we don’t need to be that tall take Peter wright out all together
No one ever mentions Collingwood are so much worse without Murphy covering for darcy moore
Doesn't help when 2 defenders are off injured, Howe is playing up forward and the only one back there to help Moore is Frampton who just spent weeks playing up forward. It is an issue I ain't denying that but it's not as bad as people think it is. In saying that i don't see how our backline gets back to their absolutely best without Murphy there. We need to go back to the trade table to sort something out.
@@joshuasadler9243 Murphy had the connection with darcy to cover for him when he charged forward to make a play, frampton isn't quick enough to cover, and howe is nearly cooked with his body....dean and tew are gonna take time....I haven't felt confident we'd win it again since Murphy went down, don't know why we traded for Schultz instead of a tall
What do you mean? I hear people say this every week.
@@jRiNGAA not in punditry they don't, they just say moores out of form
@@michaellee8816 I agree with you mate but people will act as if the situation is far worse than it is. It's up to the club to figure out how to get the best out of our backline for the second half of the year. The good thing is no one knows what that looks like so if we can muster something up the other clubs will be a step behind in being able to stop it from happening.
Kingy always trying to talk down the hawks
Do you think they deserve praise yet? they need to beat a big scalp that is in form
@@theoneweekwonderwhy’s that? Essendon haven’t had a big scalp all year and get praised every week?
Hawks 8th ...not hawks fan playing best footy last 7 weeks ...gf sydvv blues or bris
He’s literally said they have so much room for improvement and considering how they are going tahts a hell of a compliment. I don’t think even a true hawks supporter could sit there and say this year they are top 4 level so what he said is pretty spot on
The first five games kingy wanted to fire sale any hawks player with value, sack the coach and rub it Kane cornes face. Now things have turned the little he does say about them is borderline condescending
As a hawks fan I agree with kingy still too early in the rebuild period. As long as the constantly beat the teams around and below them and be competitive against the teams at the top you have to be happy.
King needs to read this comment. It's not that the players or umpires don't know the rules or guidelines, that's impossible when the AFL changes the interpretations nearly every week based on one or two incidents. The real problem, and one that can't be fixed, is that the players don't know what the umpires are going to call. They're too unpredictable. The officials don't always pay/ not pay decisions correct to the interpretation. The players are confused, as are fans, becasue the umpires pay what they shouldn't pay, and don't pay what they should pay on a consistent basis. It will never be fixed.
The quality of umpiring will only stay the same or get worse. They only way to improve anything is to replace them with AI or technology. But they're humans and we're supposed to accept that umpires consistently, and always will alter games with incorrect decisions.
That's Australian Football
I can't think of another sport in the world where the rules are so loose. Other sports have too much respect for the sport to tolerate this nonsense. yeah its a unique sport but the afl have been messing around too much and made it as hard as possible for players and umps. For me, go back to the original rules as much as makes sense. Simple stuff, and the rough conduct stuff stays to look after the players. One eg. The standing the mark rule, who would be upset if we scrapped it? Not needed, the game is fast enough. No ambiguity needed in rules
@@andykerass3695the stand rule has been a joke since it's inception. Bobby Hill is still standing on the Gold coasts ground waiting for the play on call.
Ohhhh Kingy… the Hawks aren’t doing much other than win clearances…it’s a simple game. What statistics don’t show is competitiveness and hardness. Make no mistake, this Hawks midfield is as good as any in the comp.
😂😂😂yeah ok.....
Sydney, Carlton, Freo & Bulldogs have the best Midfields
You know what statistic is important ? The scoreboard. Someone should tell king that. He just babbles on to try and make himself sound intelligent
And the scoreboard says they're 13th@@jimmyriddle5246
The Hawks, my team, still have a lot to prove.... fair enough for people to still have doubts
David King is the Epitome for "Let the Numbers do the talking, rather than Actual analysis"
That's not as simple as the Hawks are king, that's how simple YOU are 😂😂😂😂
Big assumption that Draper actually kicked that goal
If he had his moment again I reckon Logan McDonald would have taken that kick earlier while there was time on the clock (24sec). He could have come off his line for more power or at least the ball may have been marked by a teammate or just thumped through for a behind to draw the game. I’m happy he didn’t though….💜
It’s not often both sides have a win from a game - ‘The loss is a gift to John Longmire’ is bang on the money. Freo played well and Fyfe had his one good game a month, but even Freo’s JL knows they were a little fortunate to get the points. The result is far more valuable to the Swans I suspect.
One good game is such short sighted, just running with Cornes' media narrative because he ended the man's career. Above average in the comp for clearances, contested possessions, one percenters, score involvements and pressure acts. He's filling a fantastic role in the team and has been consistent at it all year.
Freo gifted 2 goals to Sydney through dumb turnovers. It shouldn't have got to McDonald shot after Siren
@@john61912 Depends on what metric you are judging him by - this is a player getting $1.15M per season. Bontempelli is earning $1.1M. Neale is on $900K. You are not paying that sort of coin for ‘above average’, and let’s not mention how many of his stats are average or below (but I’ll give you a hint: it’s an awful lot).
Fantasy Points is not a perfect system, but round by round: 86-63-61-78-62-80-118-28-58-61-48-84-43-39-72. That’s not a media narrative, that’s cold hard data.
He's not on 1.15M a year mate, he's been on public record saying he's taken a significant pay deduction and his days of being anywhere near the 1M mark are long gone.
The metrics I gave you were the reasons why he's in the team (he's there to impact the contest and get the ball in our possession) - so considering he's above average in those metrics I would say he's a doing a fine job. Jog on buddy Fyfey is doing bloody brilliant
@@andrewkerr5296 Sydney has more scoring shots. what's your point?
An inquest into the afl and unpires needed
Yes. Will happen as some umpires are missing out, somebody will open this up soon. Too many games decided by dubious decisions in tight games this year. Watch Collingwood get the doubtfuls in the right area at the right time in the finals. The AFL want their pies in the finals.
Followed by an inquest in bomber's supporters coping mechanisms
And into DEI Laura Kane’s appointment … 🤡😵💀
I love your analysis Kingy. Well done mate. I thoroughly enjoy listening to your balanced comments, reviews and insights
At that point in the game in the 3rd quarter the free kicks were 10-4 in essendons favour. It felt like the umpires were trying to even the free kick count up, the draper situation happened and then Geelong got seven consecutive free kicks in a row (that were rubbish calls) about 3 resulting directly in goals (including the menzie rushed behind) and essendon had about 5 or 6 obvious free kicks that weren't called 3 of which were inside essendons forward fifty. Draper's chopping of the arms and two obvious holding the balls directly in front of goal on separate occasions. If the 3rd quarter was umpired with no bias, the bombers could have easily been 1 or 2 goals up at 3 quarter time instead of 3 goals down. Worst quarter of umpiring I've ever seen, legit.
The Bombers were brought undone by three things in very specific order. 1) The HORRENDOUS umpiring in the 3rd quarter, that cascaded into 2) The Dons complete mental disintergration resulting from that "umpiring" which led to 3) Geelong then bullied a mentally shot side.
Very good assessment
I still reckon Geelong win without the assistance from the umpires.
Dons have plenty PTSD from umpires over these past years - felt like being umpired in a standard game against Collingwood.
Dons lost momentum and then composure as a result of the worst 5 or 6 umpiring decisions I have ever seen in the space of 15 minutes in the third quarter.
You just described the 2016 grand final.
Iam all ready into the ladder predictor , can tell you it’s crazy , and only going to get more crazy
My ladder predictor has Top 4 at end of Season
1. Sydney
2. Carlton
3. Freo
4. Gold Coast
@@andrewkerr5296 Sydney, Carlton, Collingwood, Brisbane
Kingys hate towards the hawks is so obvious. Imagine if Gold Coast, Collingwood, Geelong , gws, or north Melbourne playing like the hawks are in a rebuild. He’d be talking about how amazing the coach is. How they’re gonna take the competition by storm, couple years away from a premiership. They’re gonna be the competition juggernauts for years to come blah blah.
Give the hawks credit Kingy! They are playing amazing brand of football. And not just because of their clearance game lol.
Stunned no one talking about the Pendlebury missed tackle where he goes with the wrong arm. Clearly injured and nursing the arm. If he makes the tackle and hits a target then Collingwood probably win.
100% I mentioned this when watching in real time. He isnt right
Umpiring maybe can only come down to a captains decision-to go upstairs to umpire to clarify a decision
Like the Pies last hear, I think Longmire and the Swans often give up leads early on purpose for tactical reasons. Maybe to conserve energy, see what the oppo does etc.
Absolute rubbish! 😂🤡😂
Every time Bontempelli isn’t tagged and is BOG, David King is outraged. Every time Daicos isn’t tagged and is BOG, “wow, how good is this guy?”
Simple ,daicos is untaggable , the bont isn’t
Neal-Bullen tagged him out of the King’s Birthday game only three weeks ago. Phillips limited his influence for three quarters only two weeks ago. Nobody in the comp is untaggable.
Respect for you Gerard always, however in your assessment of umpiring in the 3rd qtr which gave Geelong massive momentum and your subsequent critique against Essendon that "players get knocked off-kilter by this alot" .. I would ask, would you want those exact same free kicks payed against Geelongin a tight game? (in a final?). Kingy is right, the momentum swing the poor umpiring created in qtr 3 made a massive difference. As it was, Geelong already lucked out in having Dangerfield play.
I'm an Essendon fan and do they think they got thrown off by the bad umpiring decisions too much. Top quality teams don't do that. I don't blame them, it's a tough thing to withstand, but you have to be realistic that it shows a lack of determination and trust in the process. I think they'll get there eventually, they're still learning. Relatively young side, particularly inexperienced with a new system
Sam Mitchell was wanted by Collingwood as the head coach to replace buckley because he IS the best coach in the AFL.
There has to consequences for unpires like suspension from afl or something it's going on every wkend
The umpiring in the Saints Port game, particularly in the first quarter/half was worse.
Almost every week we are talking about “confusing” umpiring decisions. Surely the game is not about umpires, but when the AFL continually change the rules week to week, game to game and umpire by umpire….. ???
What does a Sydney first quarter look like with Mills, Parker & Sam Reid in?
@@jamiebrotherston2241 Slow
Exactly right about the bombers Kingy, well said.
Great show sir wheatley sir kingy #go roos
Were crows robbed when Draper dived on the ball? Essendon been kissed all year by the umps #1 for free kicks
You're right. Single decisions don't win or lose games. Five horrific decisions in a row that directly robbed Essendon of goals or directly gifted them to Geelong...that does win or lose games. In my 35 years watching Aussie rules I've never seen the umpires ruin a game like they did on that night. Say what you will about all the other decisions from the season but this does and should stand alone whether you like it or not, and it clearly wasn't right.
Still doesnt make it the right call mate. Everyone said that the umpires got it wrong against Adelaide, they did the same with the geelong game.
Spot on you win some you lose some. Plus Essendon had a couple easy goals in the first from soft free kicks. All evens out in the wash.
@@jj112499 there were x3 other missed frees for Essendon in that last Qtr against Crows they didnt get paid - so you cannot say that single Draper decision decided the game... x5-6 bad calls in a row is borderline match fixing by the Umpires during that 3rd Quarter...
@@antonalbo Did you even read my comment? It doesn't matter who the bad calls favoured. Its all bad and shouldn't be a problem period.
wheres cornes
what about the dees vs lions ???
Hawks best defence in the comp last 4 weeks kingy
Not doing anything well my arse
He must like seeing a team score goals from defensive 50 and turnover.
There is no straw Kingy wouldn't grasp at to avoid giving Geelong any credit
Saying anything negative about Sydney is pretty funny
That was a clear deliberate. So called experts need to learn the rules.
Hard for Essendon to win a final when they won’t play finals football this year. They’re gonna fall away and finish 10th
We can only hope.
They have to fix their lack of efficiency up forward. Should have beaten the Suns and Blues but butchered their shots at goal. Collingwood game is like an elimination final, then Dees, Crows and Saints. They need to win 3/4 to get back on track.
Nothing on Carlton looking the goods. Lol
It’s pretty obvious they are flag favorites.
If Sydney start slow in the finals there history , need to be level pecking at bare minimum in finals for a chance to win especially this year it’s a tight season , will be a tight finals series for sure , hearts will break this year only one gets to smile 😀
If the Bombers were, then so, too, were the Demons v Lions!
I just love that the Swans can get screwed consistently for a decade or more via the umpires yet nothing is said ever from the vic media. Including the farce that is the 2016 grand final. Essendon get hard done by in one game where they're up and about in the season and more scrutiny is put it on it than anything that's ever happened in history.
@@Diamond52311 OMG, you're STILL banging on about 2016 ? What about the shocking decisions in the 1928 preliminary or 1897 GF ? Of course , then there were the howlers of round 6 1901...Should've seen them, absolute shockers 🎻🎻
@diamond52311 spot on mate. We didn't hear a peep from anyone when we got absolutely shafted by the umpires in the 2016 grand final. Essendon have one badly umpired game and suddenly that's all they're talking about. It's a fucking joke.
Why is Kingy acting like Draper would have kicked that goal 😂 - bloke runs at 33% accuracy he's a terrible kick, 2 goals 4 for the year
The issue isn’t if he would have kicked it or not but rather the fact that it’s a chance at a goal. Momentum plays a huge part in our game and more often then not decides the outcome of games, so every chance at goal is a chance to initiate or halt momentum which easily influences the rest of the game.
@@GoFuzzuKMAN i’m responding to kingy calling it a 2 goal turn around
In a season that is tight yeah bad decisions are hard to make up
Hawthorn have about 4 Izak Rankines in their club 😂😂😂
Bombers robbed by the umpires? 🙄 How much did they lose by?
its called momentum
When you literally throw the towel in after repeatedly being on receiving end of 6-7 bad umpiring howlers that cost you goals and score goes from +3 in front to behind by 25 points, you would likely think its not your day... (Doesn't mean it was right - the Dons need to be better than that) but it was a pretty horrific 10-13 min patch of umpiring...
@@antonalbo Karma for that non decision against draper diving on the ball against the crows that cost Adelaide a chance to beat the bombers.
Try listening to what their conversation was about, you can't be that thick
Irrelevant. The umpiring was so bad it changed the momentum of the game.
Essendon are poo. Lets get that straight. They havent beaten anyone good.
Norf trade 2 first rounders for max king
I was there as an Essendon supporter and the decisions absolutely had a bearing on the game as it was a very close contest at that stage, but Whately is absolutely correct in saying that we just completely crumbled instead of trying to respond.
Worst Hawthorn analysis around
The forwards know the rules? Didnt stop Jeremy Cameron running off his line after the halftime siren against Carlton and kicking a goal that should have been play on and qtr over. Terrible umpiring consistently this year. The game has moved on and the 4 people on the ground can't keep up anymore. It needs to move to being a game monitored via cameras and umpired remotely. SOMETHING needs to happen.
AFL needs to make umpiring a full time job. These blokes are coming off 9-5 jobs and are expected to make razor sharp decisions on gameday; all on the back of a stressful working week. I don't blame umpires for being so inept but there's certainly no reason why they can't improve. No doubt the AFL won't want to invest in something so fundamental and crucial
@@Alby911 Great comment. Hundred percent agree. Players are professionals, make umpires the same. And people need to remember that abusing umpires doesn't improve their performance.
Interesting comment! I’ve been thinking that maybe we would get less “ shocker” decisions if we just umpired off the TV screen. Couldn’t do any worse anyway!
Get 5 wrong leading goals or no goals in a tight game in the space of 15 minutes influenced the game
Love hearing Kingy just recycle what he said on first crack lol
Worst umpired game in afl history. Surely was a fixed match I couldn’t believe what I was watching
Have a close look at the Touhy spoil on Draper. Touhy got his hand on the ball first. Great spoil and play on.
He chopped his arm and it was very clear. Should have been a free and will be paid 99% of the time.
@@bradmartin2226 He hit the ball first. Play on.
Rubbish bar Blakely the Swsns were not running over Freo. 2 gift goals were given to Swans by Freo and 1-2 goals from the mismatch of key defenders from selection. Freo were comfortably 3-4 goals better side.
Does Gerard know Fremantle exist
He's unaware of anything outside Victoria
funny….sydney 2nd seed, brisbane 3rd
@@adamh8517 he doesn’t even say anything during segments about Freo
Are Freo the most needy supporter base in the league??
Nah Port 😂 @joshuasadler9243
Same thing happened in the Bris v Melb game, umpires turned the match around 1 May mark/ free kick led to disgraceful goal to Bris and then in last 30 seconds,mark taken then player is knocked down late,that is an automatic 50 metre penalty, yet umpire to gutless to make the correct decision, just like the Coll v Nth game.
King doesn't know anything ,frees didnt cost ess game 10 goals to 2 second half says it all ,they were mauled
Dogs win 2 games after an awful year they’re going to be the premiers hawks win 5 in a row this is wrong that’s is wrong why so much hate on the young hawks kingy cos they’re rebuilding quicker and better than north ? North been rebuilding for 30 years now
To be fair to North they are showing some postive signs for the first time in a long time.
@@joshuasadler9243 - All that needs to happen for North is their young stars to stick around, which I think they will; and recruit a few mature heads this off-season. It's only a matter of time before North surge up the ladder, after what seems like forever at the bottom
Iam with kingy I said three weeks ago the doggies are coming and their dangerous, also the lions , gws needs to pull their finger out
The Culture Hawthorn is building is more impressive to me than any league wide, All of those players are close like All the Hawthorn dynasties Have been. King Talks like a toddler who got handed a sheet of numbers 5 minutes before recording....
Collingwood have too many injuries.
Yes they were, never respected kings opinion more. He absolutely nailed it on the head
Yes Essendon somehow sit in the top 4 at the moment but their issues clearly go far beyond a few controversial umpiring decisions.
DEI anti-football boss Laura Kane needs to be sacked and replaced by a male ex-player who actually knows the game and doesn’t have a woke political agenda to impose on our game …
Just watched AFL360 and after have come to the conclusion that Robbo is so Tarded that he makes every other Pundit seem like a genius ... even Kingy
AFL# SPORTSBETT # MATCH FIXING # EVERYWHERE DISCRACE.....!!!!
The umpiring has never been worse, but the AFL won't admit it, and are in total denial about the standard of umpiring!!😡
What does anyone expect with a feminist DEI football boss in Laura Kane, who knows nothing about the game and is only interested in sanitizing it and forcing her woke political agenda on our game …
The drug cheats will use every excuse for an almost 8 goal loss, it's time the drug cheats admit they are not a top 4 team, everyone else knew this after they played Carlton. They will probably blame their pathetic percentage of 99 on the umps as well.
Bro it's been 12 Years move on
Momentum is hard no doubt BUT if Essendon cant compete and get back regardless then thats on them and they lose. Simple.
Port got crucified in 1st half against Hawks and they got a hefty lead. It was something like 15 to 4 frees hawks way at the half and port without just one free in a whole quarter. Guess what? Port fought back and took it on and won. Port play the cats at geelong and dominated but cat's started clawing back. Port held on.
Pies yes with umpires no doubt clawed back and beat north after being smashed.
Essendon and supporters can whine all day long about alleged unpiring calls that gave cats the "Momentum" however frees were fairly tied and bombers got the umps in 1st half obviously. Deny that and youre delusional. However, bombers just werent good enough to fight back.
Get over it. Bombers have had an extremely easy draw overall and are lucky. Yes. A decent side but very lucky to be in top 8.
12 umpires making their own deicions .that's what we need.The game is becoming stupid
On what planet is Tom Green better than Dawson? How are you surprised that Dawson beat him?
Because Dawson isn’t a good ground ball player he’s more outside class. Tom Greene is supposed to be a ball winning superstar in the Cripps mould.
When you play an extra TALL is that possibly tanking as there is no way you will be able to match the run of the opposition. This may have been done in the 2000's as well by the same team. Wink wink.
Top 8
1st syd
2nd carl
3rd bris
4th freo
5th foots
6th geel
7th pies
8th hawks.smokie😅
Gf ...swans v carl or bris 😅.
Write off Collingwood at your own peril
Tuohy didn't make front on contact and had eyes for the ball the entire time. Mullet boy dropped the mark due to being distracted by the excellent work of the cats defender. Yes, a 12-point turnaround due to the players skill, nothing to do with the umps.
moving with the flight with his back to the ball - if he made contact with player AT ALL in that contest, its a free kick every day of the week... take the blinkers off....
@@antonalboDefinitely no free kick. Tuohy has a right to go for the ball and his hand slapped the ball before Drapers soft attempt. Play on.
Ironic that Chris Scott went on a long rant about umpiring not that long ago. Bombers probably still would've lost but that margin doesn't paint the whole story
Draper probably kicks it out on the full if he marked it anyway 😂
Bombers and tigers were overpowered by stronger teams , nothing to do with momentum, if the same teams played 10 times same results 9/10
Essendon got fucked
Replace ‘got’ with ‘get’
Sideways😅😅
Bont cannot bear Cripps
And Cripps cannot bear a premiership!
😂
😂 please
😮 😢 u😮
I wish people would stop blaming the umpires. Their job is to interpret decisions that are stupid, complicated and useless. The AFL continues to introduce new rules, often half way through the season and on the run. The game needs to be made more simple, not more complicated.
It’s not blaming umpires, it is keeping them accountable and critiquing their performance. They were poor in that game and you should be able to state that
Stop whining. The Cats would have won no matter what. Move on.
As if Essendon are getting given the umpire excuse card for a 40pt loss.....😂😂😂
Happy 7000+ days and counting
Moronic. Sam Mitchell hasn't done anything special? Then why would Hawthorn fans not trade him for any coach in the league? Past or present? They binned Alistair Clarkson potential best coach all time for Sam becauae he clearly is a genius and people at clubland knew that long before Hawthorn when he was at WCE, That's why Collingwood wanted him at failed because he chose the Hawks.
east coast garbage.
Bontempelli is So Overrated,…….not a patch on Crippa.
Oh no 🤦🏼 nuffie
Bont has been better than Cripps for years 😂
And the BONT has premiership medal something cripps hasn't achieved yet 😊
Love the anger on bonts face when he goes up against cripps, its the one player in the comp he can't handle
LMAO. As great as Cripps is, Bontempelli is a vastly more rounded player than Cripps. Keep drinking that koolaid, turbo