We need to not hold so much weight on the Brownlow. The umpires can hardly tell the difference between holding the ball, throwing the ball and a legitimate handball from 5 meters out yet alone able to judge who the best players are. They mostly just go with who they think should get it based on name sake for example Neale last year getting 3 votes when he didn't even have 20 disposals.
Nah, walsh should have won the wines year. The bont is the classic love child. How on god's earth is he rated higher than Cripps walsh and daicos. It's buffoonery
Nah Holmes has been more consistent, obviously hasn’t reached the heights of daicos, but hasn’t had an off game. Also Daicos disposal efficiency has been poor recently which champion data penalises heavily, holds him back.
Fremantle 4th WORST defensive profile in the comp? Theyve got the 2nd best defence through points against in the league. Champion data is a load of wank
I’m a Freo supporter but what he was explaining is pretty well on the money. When we lose the centre clearance we give up goals far too easy, as witnessed by the Eagles and Bulldogs games. Our Points Conceded numbers are good because our midfield often prevent the fast delivery into the opposition forward 50m, but when they can’t prevent it the opposition scores a bit too easily.
Jed Mcentee, Billy Frampton and Toby oink on the x100 scale. Just remember that defensive actions are more important than goals with CD 😂 Max Holmes 4, nuff said, what a stupid system.
Freo’s number 1 defender has been out since round 1, coming back this week. They’ll have both he and their skipper/full back in the team again within the next couple weeks.
Issue with just looking at the data is you miss what’s happening in the real world. Freo have been forced to play Draper in defence all year and have thus played a system that protects their defence. Cox is due back this week and Pearce in a couple. You’ll see what their defensive profile is like in the next edition. Fremantle are building quite well. I agree that right now their profile is not premiership level, but that may change with Cox and Pearce back.
Aker was awesome in the wet. All the really skillful players usually are. Jimmy Bartel was amazing in the wet. I know Geelong fans used to look forward to watching him play in the slop. Stengel's game earlier this year was a masterclass. Handled the ball like it was dry when every other player was a mess.
Agree re comment here, Gerard is full Sleepy Joe. Need to turnover these blokes +60 that are getting heaps of air time. BT easy out too. And please dont bring in blokes that played that cant speak either. Get actual minds of the game.
Bontempelli, Cripps and Daicos, right now, are on another level. I'm a Pies supporter , but I would straight away tell my son to watch Marcus Bontempelli and tell my son " that's how you play football". My money, now, is on Bont or Cripps to take home Charlie. But we all know that what they themselves want is a premiership medallion to celebrate with their brothers.
About 8 weeks ago here In the comments I mentioned, I put $50 before the season on a Carlton vs freo GF. Where is everyone who was laughing @ me now 😂 it's looking solid 2 & 3rd
Can we please get a statistician on the show (not from champion data) in to debate the foundational assumptions of this 100x model? It is now becoming fairly and prominently criticised across social media and even by people in the profession but Hoyne and Champion Data stick by it like it’s gospel. Refusing to respond to any criticism and making statements like “I’m going to sidestep that one” when genuine concerns are raised. Shows to me you don’t even believe what you’re presenting. It’s either time to explain and support your work and investment or stop making blanket objective statements like “player x is the (insert number) best player in the league this year”. To me the sheer number of loose half backs in the top 20 (both currently and in previous years) would suggest this model has serious flaws. Neither Kane nor Gerald (who in fairness appears to not know what day it is most of the time) have scrutinised anything Hoyne pulls out of his ass with this.
US has Sleepy Joe, we in Oz have Sleepy Gerard. We have a couple of commentators who should retire due to age related slowness. We have other commentators that should just plain retire, but who would replace them lol. Yeah, the problem with AFL statistics is that we are not a major sport in the world, otherwise the stats we would have access to would be fckn awesome.
To have a proper statistician to play devils advocate would entail proper transparency and they couldn't spill their ridiculous click bait narratives. They are more dishonest than people currently realise.
Crows equal best defensive profile in the last 6 weeks along with sydney and carlton?? They've won 2 of those games! Shows how meaningless some of these stats are at the end of the day.. win/loss will always be the king of stats!
The fact Essendon couldnt handle Geelong,Tom Stewart shows exactly why they're not a threat this season. To be fair though, neither are Geelong Both just making up the numbers
Houston nowhere near top ten player in the comp this year. No disrespect but not in the conversation. Neither Dale. These blokes just arent impacting weekly like others. Regardless of stats for example Max Gawn is having a top 10 year. Tiges supporter.
Regarding team win stats. You need to stop counting every win as stand alone without a weighting system. It's worthless information. You need to rate/categorise the wins according to a weighting score. Like 1. Win against top 4 or top 8. And 2. Win margin. 3. Win at home or away. 4 was win a giveaway like port st kilda port hawthorne.5. Win based on injury numbers or full strength. Etc etc. . Then multiply each sub category to get a weighted total. That will give a much better information.
I mean it should have been obvious in the coaching box that Stewart was just rolling back... as a North supporter I know all to well what Brad Scott is like as a coach and he doesn't change much mid game even though it is obvious to the eye
Cripps and Bont both had slow starts to the season, at least by their standards but are both coming hard. Heeney has barely polled last 6 games. My predictor has Daicos in front.
@@JCStorm76 Daicos also had a slowish start and is coming super fast - similar to Cripps and Bont. Realistically it could go to any of the guys you mentioned, maybe not Heeney unless he starts dominating again like earlier in the year.
They overrate half backs too much in these rating. Of course they are more efficient, they have way more space and time to dispose of the ball. Half back would be the easiest spot to play in the afl
Mate have you listened to hoyne regularly at all? He always goes on about how they measure kicking efficiency against EXPECTATION ie. how likely is a player going to make that kick for the exact reason you mentioned. Blakely ranks highly because he pulls off harder kicks than most in that position and he is obviously in the 10-15 best players in the comp rn.
Saying Fremantle is poor defensively while they sit second for least point conceded is a joke of a comment. Bro was looking for any excuse to talk them down. "If you beat them at clearances they concede scores". That would be true of almost all of the teams in the comp. Maybe they don't set up as defensively because of how dominant they are at clearances
Crazy thought - Can we start doing champion data on umpires please? For accountability purposes.
The missed free kicks stats will triple the correct free kick calls. 😂
@@joshuasadler9243 FFS 🤣 it’s so bad.
They will never do this in public
But people can just do this at home if they wanted
“Which umpire fcks up the most”
Which umpires consistently favour some teams/players, and punish others
To do this you'd have to be a perfectly unbiased umpire yourself.. tricky call but a few punters could pull it off!
Agree with kane on this one, Bont would be a very worthy Brownlow winner
@@jainmelbourne not on crippas form
Since Nathan Murphy retired the Magpies defence have struggled since despite still winning the close games
Cripps not in the top 10???
Cowan is a must watch
It would be nice if Hoyney could do 10 to 1 to build some suspense, rather than just announcing number 1 straight off the bat.
Arguably Bont should have two Brownlows now. The Wines year and Neale's second Brownlow year.
Which game/games did Bont get ripped off in ?
He's won 2 PA and 1 CA awards over his career....these hold much more weight then a brownlow
We need to not hold so much weight on the Brownlow. The umpires can hardly tell the difference between holding the ball, throwing the ball and a legitimate handball from 5 meters out yet alone able to judge who the best players are. They mostly just go with who they think should get it based on name sake for example Neale last year getting 3 votes when he didn't even have 20 disposals.
Nah, walsh should have won the wines year. The bont is the classic love child. How on god's earth is he rated higher than Cripps walsh and daicos. It's buffoonery
100% although having said that Neale should still have 2 Brownlows after Cripps' year.
Max Holmes above Nick Daicos.Laughable
Nah Holmes has been more consistent, obviously hasn’t reached the heights of daicos, but hasn’t had an off game.
Also Daicos disposal efficiency has been poor recently which champion data penalises heavily, holds him back.
Nick Daicos is as soft as they come, tonight's game proved it.
The stuf about Stewart was fascinating
ludicrous to not have cripps in top 5, massive past 5 weeks and has his team sitting in 2nd.
Fremantle 4th WORST defensive profile in the comp? Theyve got the 2nd best defence through points against in the league. Champion data is a load of wank
You aren’t understanding what he said at all. Rewatch and understand the difference between defender performance and system defence
I’m a Freo supporter but what he was explaining is pretty well on the money. When we lose the centre clearance we give up goals far too easy, as witnessed by the Eagles and Bulldogs games. Our Points Conceded numbers are good because our midfield often prevent the fast delivery into the opposition forward 50m, but when they can’t prevent it the opposition scores a bit too easily.
Jed Mcentee, Billy Frampton and Toby oink on the x100 scale.
Just remember that defensive actions are more important than goals with CD 😂
Max Holmes 4, nuff said, what a stupid system.
Freo’s number 1 defender has been out since round 1, coming back this week. They’ll have both he and their skipper/full back in the team again within the next couple weeks.
Issue with just looking at the data is you miss what’s happening in the real world. Freo have been forced to play Draper in defence all year and have thus played a system that protects their defence. Cox is due back this week and Pearce in a couple. You’ll see what their defensive profile is like in the next edition. Fremantle are building quite well. I agree that right now their profile is not premiership level, but that may change with Cox and Pearce back.
Akermanis is the best in the wet I've seen.
Add another 30 minutes to the show best segment of the week on SEN
Aker was awesome in the wet. All the really skillful players usually are.
Jimmy Bartel was amazing in the wet. I know Geelong fans used to look forward to watching him play in the slop.
Stengel's game earlier this year was a masterclass. Handled the ball like it was dry when every other player was a mess.
Crippa not in the top 10 and you want us to take you seriously 😂
Agree re comment here, Gerard is full Sleepy Joe. Need to turnover these blokes +60 that are getting heaps of air time. BT easy out too. And please dont bring in blokes that played that cant speak either. Get actual minds of the game.
Bontempelli, Cripps and Daicos, right now, are on another level. I'm a Pies supporter , but I would straight away tell my son to watch Marcus Bontempelli and tell my son " that's how you play football". My money, now, is on Bont or Cripps to take home Charlie. But we all know that what they themselves want is a premiership medallion to celebrate with their brothers.
lol, your son 1.92 and playing midfield?
About 8 weeks ago here In the comments I mentioned, I put $50 before the season on a Carlton vs freo GF. Where is everyone who was laughing @ me now 😂 it's looking solid 2 & 3rd
Can we please get a statistician on the show (not from champion data) in to debate the foundational assumptions of this 100x model? It is now becoming fairly and prominently criticised across social media and even by people in the profession but Hoyne and Champion Data stick by it like it’s gospel. Refusing to respond to any criticism and making statements like “I’m going to sidestep that one” when genuine concerns are raised. Shows to me you don’t even believe what you’re presenting. It’s either time to explain and support your work and investment or stop making blanket objective statements like “player x is the (insert number) best player in the league this year”. To me the sheer number of loose half backs in the top 20 (both currently and in previous years) would suggest this model has serious flaws. Neither Kane nor Gerald (who in fairness appears to not know what day it is most of the time) have scrutinised anything Hoyne pulls out of his ass with this.
so true
I know right, like, if your a winger, doesn't mean your better than the Bont, just means your not good enough to play inside. It's a stupid system.
Amen to that mate, some ppl just blindly buy into their nonsense though.
US has Sleepy Joe, we in Oz have Sleepy Gerard. We have a couple of commentators who should retire due to age related slowness. We have other commentators that should just plain retire, but who would replace them lol. Yeah, the problem with AFL statistics is that we are not a major sport in the world, otherwise the stats we would have access to would be fckn awesome.
To have a proper statistician to play devils advocate would entail proper transparency and they couldn't spill their ridiculous click bait narratives. They are more dishonest than people currently realise.
Crows equal best defensive profile in the last 6 weeks along with sydney and carlton?? They've won 2 of those games! Shows how meaningless some of these stats are at the end of the day.. win/loss will always be the king of stats!
The fact Essendon couldnt handle Geelong,Tom Stewart shows exactly why they're not a threat this season. To be fair though, neither are Geelong
Both just making up the numbers
IF DIACOS DIDNT GET INJURIED LAST YEAR THE BROWNLOW WAS HIS... many more years to come.. GO PIES
Think naicos is the best in the comp, but I wouldn't be sad watching bont take it home
Houston nowhere near top ten player in the comp this year. No disrespect but not in the conversation. Neither Dale. These blokes just arent impacting weekly like others. Regardless of stats for example Max Gawn is having a top 10 year. Tiges supporter.
Woah! Must be hard to go out on a limb and say ‘the teams that have won the most are the best’.
Regarding team win stats. You need to stop counting every win as stand alone without a weighting system. It's worthless information. You need to rate/categorise the wins according to a weighting score. Like 1. Win against top 4 or top 8. And 2. Win margin. 3. Win at home or away. 4 was win a giveaway like port st kilda port hawthorne.5. Win based on injury numbers or full strength. Etc etc. . Then multiply each sub category to get a weighted total. That will give a much better information.
How is rankine up there he missed like 4 games?
Everyone complains about champion data’s analysis but will still put money on Sportsbet not knowing that they pay champion data for their data
A mate of mine worked with a bloke who did stats for a Victorian club and 1 stat that never gets reported is scores from broken Tackles.
hornyyyyyyy!!!!! big timeeee!!!!
I mean it should have been obvious in the coaching box that Stewart was just rolling back... as a North supporter I know all to well what Brad Scott is like as a coach and he doesn't change much mid game even though it is obvious to the eye
Everyone complains about champion data’s analysis but will still put money on Sportsbet not knowing that they pay champion data for their data
That probably explains why Sportsbet odds are so outta wack sometimes
Cripps brownlow or game is rigged (bulldogs supporter)
Bont is light years ahead of Cripps
Cripps and Bont both had slow starts to the season, at least by their standards but are both coming hard. Heeney has barely polled last 6 games. My predictor has Daicos in front.
@@JCStorm76 Daicos also had a slowish start and is coming super fast - similar to Cripps and Bont. Realistically it could go to any of the guys you mentioned, maybe not Heeney unless he starts dominating again like earlier in the year.
@@dylanneylon3996 Where do you come up with this
@@JCStorm76ofcourse you'd say Daicos 🤦
ohh 10 midfielders....who would have thought..... *yawn*
They overrate half backs too much in these rating. Of course they are more efficient, they have way more space and time to dispose of the ball. Half back would be the easiest spot to play in the afl
Mate have you listened to hoyne regularly at all? He always goes on about how they measure kicking efficiency against EXPECTATION ie. how likely is a player going to make that kick for the exact reason you mentioned. Blakely ranks highly because he pulls off harder kicks than most in that position and he is obviously in the 10-15 best players in the comp rn.
Crippa?!
Whitfield only had 5 kick ins
It is ANALytics after all..
Saying Fremantle is poor defensively while they sit second for least point conceded is a joke of a comment. Bro was looking for any excuse to talk them down. "If you beat them at clearances they concede scores". That would be true of almost all of the teams in the comp. Maybe they don't set up as defensively because of how dominant they are at clearances