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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

Комментарии • 38

  • @sdolnicek
    @sdolnicek 3 дня назад +7

    The icon veneration was my biggest obstacle when I was converting to Orthodoxy (and still somewhat is). However since we do not make sacrifices to icons, in fact even when we pray it is not directed to the icons themselves - from my view this is far from idolatry. (I still do feel little weird about the kissing part though, any advice ?)

    • @matthewtipton7387
      @matthewtipton7387 3 дня назад +13

      Not advice per se, but something to think about. Have you ever kissed a picture of a deceased loved one? Likewise, have you also ever kissed your Bible? If so, then when you kiss the picture of a deceased loved one are you honoring the picture, or the loved one? And if you have ever kissed your Bible, is it the paper and ink which you are honoring or the meaning of the words there in?

    • @matthewtipton7387
      @matthewtipton7387 3 дня назад +7

      P.S. this was hard for me too at first especially since I almost became iconoclastic due to Muslim influence

    • @sdolnicek
      @sdolnicek 3 дня назад +1

      @@matthewtipton7387 Thank you, this is exactly what I needed to hear.

    • @aaaaaaa7697
      @aaaaaaa7697 2 дня назад +9

      Read the Saints on the matter, like St. John Damascus. Iconography is directly a product of correct Christology, and was the universal practice prior to the muslims. We have archaeology likewise that supports Iconography to the earliest times, even in O.T sites, ofcourse famously the Dura Europas Synagogue is a great example.
      Kissing is a form of respect, it's just an action to show honour and veneration.

    • @joeLL0419
      @joeLL0419 2 дня назад +8

      Kissing in America has a different cultural connotation than in orthodox countries. To a Greek or a syrian, you would kiss as a greeting for a friend or family member. Remember this context when venerating an icon, it's a very old and traditional greeting and show of respect to a holy image or relic. It just isn't done in the west anymore

  • @bojanmilivojevic4736
    @bojanmilivojevic4736 3 дня назад +12

    Pozdrav imenjače, znam da je glupo što pitam, da li možeš da staviš srpski titl nekako u video, jer te pratim, imaš prezanimljive videe ali ne znam toliko engleski da bih sve razumeo, hvala ti na tvom radu❤

    • @Govnar658
      @Govnar658 2 дня назад +1

      Ili ceo video na srpskom samo, ne znam zasto al zbog nekog razloga me mnogo zanima kako zvuci na srpskom lmao

    • @bojanmilivojevic4736
      @bojanmilivojevic4736 2 дня назад

      ​@Govnar658Znam, ali ovo je pre svega kaanl koji je namenjen vernicima i ljudima engleskog govornog područija, misionarski kanal, ali mi je zanimljiv.

  • @phillipmargrave
    @phillipmargrave 5 часов назад

    1:56 The veneration of a diety through the medium of stone metal or wood is literally a form of idol worship
    2nd Commandment “THOU SHALL NOT TAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE”

  • @2anthranilicacid
    @2anthranilicacid 2 дня назад +2

    I never saw a Catholic or an Orthodox Christian who fed their icons with horse meat to trap Saint therein.
    Pretending as if icon veneration has something to do with idolatry, when you have expert's research at your finger tips, is beyond me. I think it mostly just makes people uncomfortable and then they search for a reason to justify the emotion.

  • @Rodelero
    @Rodelero День назад

    It was always interesting to me hearing the challenge of Icon Veneration for converts, as growing up as a Catholic kid there were sometimes prayer corners, or pictures of saints or the Blessed Mother, and i remember naturally focusing on them sometimes when on my knees and praying.. so it is more of a gradual shift maybe and easier to understand the difference between veneration and worship

  • @sigurdholbarki8268
    @sigurdholbarki8268 4 часа назад

    I'm a traditional Anglican in the UK, I think the arguments against incense, icons and relics are frankly ridiculous.
    Most of the things accused of being pagan by low church protestants and atheists are actually of medieval Christian origin and there is next to no evidence of any link between them and paganism. In fact, there's more evidence that they are actually Christian and deeply so.
    God bless and have a wonderful Christmas when it comes for you

  • @arscheerio
    @arscheerio 14 часов назад

    Jesus and Peter didn't use incense in the supper described in John. None of them used icons or crosses, either. It was about the Jewish Messiah. Orthodoxy realized the church Jesus set up was destroyed after He and His apostles were assassinated, so they attempted to (just like the Pharisee and Sadducee) create practices that they felt were Biblical, but weren't.

  • @nexus7860
    @nexus7860 3 дня назад +17

  • @ahem88
    @ahem88 3 дня назад +2

    Do you follow Matt Withman ( 10 minute bible hour)?

  • @onlyjoshing
    @onlyjoshing 2 дня назад +2

    Bojan is the only infallible reader

  • @Shiev-z8e
    @Shiev-z8e 2 дня назад

    much love yo each and everyone of you, Godbless you all

  • @BadHistory-gi4jw
    @BadHistory-gi4jw 3 дня назад

    New TV?

  • @GoodOne4All
    @GoodOne4All 3 дня назад

    Similar argument is made by followers of Hinduism.
    Sorry, I can no accept this.
    [Deuteronomy 4:16]
    16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,
    [Leviticus 26:1]
    26 “You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God.

    • @thecourier9290
      @thecourier9290 3 дня назад +21

      Old testament when God did not take human form, so it was impossible to represent him. All changed when He took the flesh of man.

    • @Gesu_Re_dei_re
      @Gesu_Re_dei_re 3 дня назад +13

      That's about worship, to say worship must be done to God alone. Biblical imagery/objects aren't wrong in themselves, it's a sin only when we make them into an idol. And no Christian does that. Veneration ≠ adoration

    • @P.Whitestrake
      @P.Whitestrake 3 дня назад +13

      Veneration is showing respect, not worship. Learn the difference.
      Fun fact: Ancient synagogues had images on its wall. Mostly angels.

    • @peteroleary9447
      @peteroleary9447 3 дня назад +7

      The key key difference is the concept of _idol_ - where the object itself is the object of worship.
      We love others, as is natural, even commanded We love them as images, icons made in the image of God as a foretaste or prefigurement of God's love for us. We don't worship them.

    • @aaaaaaa7697
      @aaaaaaa7697 2 дня назад

      iconoclasm reject the incarnation, this is why is comes from Islam. If you call Jesus an idol, it's rather clear you're not Christian. All iconoclasm rejects the incarnation.