or notice that the show is highlighting the grey area and paradoxes. the dots inside the yin yang explain the entire show. if you don't understand that concept you won't understand the show.
@@mkhud50n - That is literally YOU projecting YOUR belief onto a show that is nowhere near as deep or as meaningful as you believe because Leslye Headland the writer of this story has none of your understanding of the nuances of good and evil and if she did she has frankly failed to manifest them in her teenage like fan fiction of a story. This happens time after time with Disney Star Wars where fans create very deep and convincing stories to make up for the total lack of thought in the newer Disney sequels and their scripts. I remember reading better stories and explanations in the comments for the events of Disney Star Wars shows than the writing team at Lucasfilm could ever manage…only to realise the fans were putting in way more thought than the scriptwriters. Leslye Headland won’t even understand your concept but she’ll steal it if it makes her look better…🥹
This show is spitefully written, mischaracterizing the Jedi as only the beginning. It is incredibly cruel to its characters, asking the audience to cheer for awful characters doing awful things. It feels so selfish, delusional and narcissistic
Just like the people in charge really …. Not surprised entertainment has turned . Evil has taken over . But It could also be …. Dark side characters are popular … they misinterpreted the statistics (sales etc) of dark side merchandise , for example Darth Vader and Darth maul , my favourite Star Wars characters … not because they are evil but because they are bad ass … I’m always into villains, always cooler looking in my opinion
I asked my mom who has been watching the show, “so was it a series finale or just a season finale?”. She said in her view it was a series finale because she never wants to see any of these characters ever again. 😂😂😂
They killed off the roles of their two best actors, Jung-Jae and Moss. If they continue with the current crop the show is going to be unwatchable anyway.
This is from the same company that had Scarlet Witch torture people mercilessly for months to live in a nightmare fantasy world of her's and when she finally releases her hostages, a woman tells her "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them." As well as the same people that had Falcon and Winter Soldier endorse domestic terrorism. None of this is a mistake. It's intentional.
@@InfernoScorpion14 Monica was given dumb lines since she was a child in Captain Marvel LOL. Peer pressuring her mom into going to space to be a "good example for her" cringe 🤣
Stupid line, but overall Wanda was treated as an abtagonistic force. We were meant to understand her grief, yes, but we were also meant to view her actions as toxic and harmful. That line was awful, but it was an isolated incident within the show. For Falcon, what? Endorsing terrorism? No? Sams monologue was executed very poorly, but it never at any point endorsed terrorism. The whole point was that the people in power forced the flag smashers from their homes and discriminated against them before they had done anything wrong. This directly lead to them becoming terrorists, meaning that the senators are still partially resonsible for the violence caused. The problem was, they never gave us a reason to believe that this discrimination had been taking place, making it an extremely unearned payoff. The problem with the scene was never that Sam was 'endorsing terrorism'. Its not as if he turned around and said that the flag smashers were right and the government were wrong. It was just badly executed.
We need to remember that Lesley is the *personal* assistant of the most despicable man in Hollywood and she got away with no repercussions. I’m not surprised that she has this mindset and think evil and vice is “morally good”. There’s a saying that we should take notes from: Woe to those who call evil “good” and good “evil”.
That saying is actually a verse in the Bible (Isaiah 5:20) and let me tell you, as a Christian, as soon as I saw the the nightsisters were being portrayed as benign and misunderstood and mistreated, I was onto the moral stance of the show. The light side is oppressive and the dark side is oppressed. And every episode kept reinforcing it 🙃 I didn’t watch the show but I keep watching Jester for the updates on it and yep, with this last episode where no one atoned for their actions and got away with everything it’s like watching a criminal’s fanfic, it’s truly amazing how blatant it is but I’m also not surprised unfortunately 💔
@@lilmovieperp3599 Okay but the point is that the movie wasn't trying to make you think he was A GOOD GUY for killing younglings. This isn't about whether or not you enjoy watching a villain.
Yep, the whole incident going bad was Mother Anasaia's fault the moment she manipulated Torbin's mind. The Jedi were completely justified in taking out that cult and based on the cult's actions, the Jedi council would have backed them up. They proved themselves to be darksiders with their actions.
KOTOR did the 'is the dark side really bad?' thing WAY better. They frame it as being about passion rather than cruelty, and that sets the player down the path of temptation by the dark side. But then it shows that it's a slippery slope and it corrupts people who had originally good intentions.
Look, i love the sith. I'm darkside ftw. They're badass and cool. But they are NOT the good guys! And to make it otherwise is stupid and lore inaccurate! WTF is this show?!
Exactly my point t of view I I could have written this message tbh loll exactly my opinion word for word pretty much And a note , I watched 20 minutes of episode 1 in this series ,,, saw all I needed to see , went to reviews after that
So, as the Sith well worse , one side is good but the order has issues on shutting their emotions out and not dealing with them properly. On the other side it is becoming a monster by being so cancerous to others and themselves .
@@redd-qh4xn This is why Luke's Jedi order works. He understand the importance of emotions,and changed Jedis approach about it by lighting up the rules. But he did not let the emotions control him.
Honestly, this spits in the face of one of the central themes of Star Wars: Evil corrupts and destroys. Anakin turned to the Dark Side, albeit with good intentions, he wanted to save his wife. But as he gives in he starts to grow more power-hungry and evil, and he pays the price by losing his wife and being forced to spend the rest of his days trapped in a life-support suit, serving the man who tricked him into said life. But, given how modern audiences love moral bankruptcy, it doesn't surprise me that they would make something like the Aco-Bud-Lyte.
Exactly. People are losing their grip of what evil really is. I know this is just a lame sci-fi show, but the moral implications of what people value here is a bit creepy on a broader scale.
Cant forget Anakin tried to kill his friend Obi Wan in his anger induced state and ended up losing and burning on a lava planet screaming "I hate you!"
So let me get this straight. Yoda can sense Anakin slaughtering the Tuskins and the Jedi getting wiped out in Order 66, yet couldn't sense Smilo Ren slaughtering the Jedi left and right from the very beginning? WTF is this? And to add insult to injury, Vernestra and The Jedi covered up all evidence while Sol died like a chump and then they blamed him for all the deaths that was caused by Smilo Ren? Unbelievable. This entire show went from stupid to disgustingly insulting, its mind boggling.
I chalk that up to the fact Anakin having such a strong connection to the force because he was born from it, and when it came to Order 66, Jedi were being slaughtered pretty much at the same time. Both were like massive waves being created in the Force. Much like when Obi-Wan sensed the destruction of Alderran.
Star wars good and evil are not the same as REAL life good and evil. Just a sith origin predicated on a poorly executed tragedy. I mean the bad guys win in Return of the Jedi
@@Deuteromis That just makes it worse. That would make the Jedi even more inclined to dismiss Anakin if not trap him in a black hole. Or have him Jump to Hyperspace through a Venator.
"You can have everything you want, you can give into your desires... and that's GOOD!" Definitely not something you'd expect from someone who worked with HARVEY WEINSTEIN. 🤣
She clear!y didnt watch that interview with George were he explained where greed and desire and selfishness leads to!!! I'm so mad that kids nowadays get these lessons
I feel sorry for sol. The only moment where we actually see a jedi master is sol's 'i will destroy you if i must' moment in the final fight. He actually looked and acted like a jedi master. Only for them to slander his character, go out like a creep, and have his reputation dragged through the mud. He didnt deserve this.
Let’s be real he was a pretty shit character even before that. The obsession with Mae without knowing her was just so weird. Even more fucking annoying is that Leslie said she made sol and osha to be like qui gon and anakin even tho the 2 couldn’t be farther apart😭
Disagree. The Last Jedi was fueled by spite. Saying the Acolyte was similarly spiteful implies that the creators know enough about the source material to resent it. I think it's pretty clear that this was cosplay funtime for some random lucky writers who could give a F about Star Wars but who are TOtaL GeEk NerDS so they loved the chance to insert their own nonsense in the most popular franchise on the planet.
Wouldn't you say Headland presents a type of spitefulness when she says stuff like George Lucas is not the only source for star wars? Doesn't she have spitefulness by making this a therapy session for her? This show is literally for Headland and her friends only
Agreed, the Acolyte is uniquely spiteful because it even character-assassinated a character from the High Republic era - completely not legacy, the Initiative launched in 2021. Vernestra from the Light of the Jedi book is now solely responsible for the Jedi Order not finding out about the plot of the Sith before 32 BBY. As soon as she arrived on Brendok, she could tell her old apprentice Qimir is involved in all of these Jedi assassinations in some way, but instead of uncovering the truth, she blamed it all on her fellow Master Sol who is no longer alive to tell his side of the story and reported that lie to Yoda. All that because she does not want her failure to train Qimir to be known publicly. Vernestra has been turned into a completely corrupt POS. Man, people don't even know. The worst character assassination in this show is of a High Republic character. Headland is even spiteful toward High Republic writers, people who are supposed to be on her own side.
In all honesty, it's basically just "haterfiction" (opposite of fanfiction, if that makes any sense) made by someone who's only really understanding of Star Wars is that a lot of its best known protagonists are dudes, which was enough for her to decide she needed to 💩 all over it
@suf-star7866 thats less spite and more arrogance. "Who the hell does thia George guy think he is huh? Did he make star wars? Oh he did. Well he's old now and we youngins lnow better"
Also, Sith can't count, so whenever there's more than "two", they just say "many". "The power of one, the power of two, the power of money..." Oh, sorry. Maybe the Sith can count, after all.
Headland completely ignored that the all the talk of the Dark Side leading to love, expression, and passion has always been the pitch lines from blatant villains. The Dark Side lies about giving you whatever you want, but slowly strips everything from you until the hate and power lust is all you have. At a certain point, they deliberately destroy whatever or whoever they once loved because they were holding them back. There is no moderation with it to take just what you want because that goes against its very nature. The Sith dupe themselves into thinking they're the masters of it when everything they do is in service to the Dark Side. They literally rot from the inside out the more they use it. There is no moral relativism with it, no matter how hard you try to twist it.
*THANK YOU* I am so sick and tired of “Grey Jedi this” and “Grey Jedi that” *Grey Jedi are not a thing* they weren’t a thing when Lucas was running things, they aren’t at least supposed to be a thing in this universe. The Dark Side and Light Side are not some Yin and Yang combination, the Light Side is the Yin Yang Balance and the Darkside seeks to disrupt that balance. Balance is light side supremacy
@@justinbowers2749 Headcanon, possibly supported by "Legends" stories I have read (I can't remember): There is only the light and the dark side, but there are different approaches to the light side. * The Jedi and their Code are advocating the safer approach, distancing themselves from feelings and attachments as much as possible, as the grief of loss or betrayal one could start someone on the path towards the dark side. * A "grey Jedi", who is NOT a Jedi, would be a light side force user who doesn't distance themself from feelings and attachments, but try to reject the negative emotions when they inevitably arise. Akin to walking on an emotional tight-rope, the smallest misstep could lead to a fall. I imagine trying to make this tight-rope less perilous was why the Jedi Code was originally created. The whole "using both sides of the Force", Jolee Bindo-style, is exceedingly weird to me, as they are different ways to connect with the same "energy field". The light side is basically communing with the Force in an equal exchange and the dark side is forcing your will and emotions onto it, while receiving those same feelings back in a feedback loop.
*What could’ve been:* ✅ Sith perspective story similar to Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane novels; Sith warrior and inquisitor stories from SWTOR. ✅ Mature and grounded story similar to Andor but with the mysticism of the Dark Side. In-depth look at Sith philosophy as we follow a master/apprentice two vs an entire galaxy story. ✅ Well-written Sith protagonists part of a two-person organization in a thousand-year conspiracy to upset the Galactic status-quo. ✅ New Star Wars timeline. Reality: ❌ The Acolyte…. “The power of one, the power of two. The power of many.”
@@ThespianPrince13the ironic thing with Acolytes "power of many" nonsense is that the many always lose. The group of witches got K.O'd or killed by one jedi severing their mind control and the group of jedi masters got bodied by Smilo Ren to be embarressed by a padawan. I bet if smilo and Osha jumped Sol, he might have won.
"the worst thing ever produced under the Star Wars banner" Given how many things have lowered the bar in this franchise over the years...that's terrifying.
*What could’ve been:* ✅ Sith perspective story similar to Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane novels; Sith warrior and inquisitor stories from SWTOR. ✅ Mature and grounded story similar to Andor but with the mysticism of the Dark Side. In-depth look at Sith philosophy as we follow a master/apprentice two vs an entire galaxy story. ✅ Well-written Sith protagonists part of a two-person organization in a thousand-year conspiracy to upset the Galactic status-quo. ✅ New Star Wars timeline. Reality: ❌ The Acolyte…. “The power of one, the power of two. The power of many.”
@@ThespianPrince13 Like a lot of Disney Star Wars. Just imagine how good Kenobi could have been. Yet even with all of the bad writing and bad directing, the stand out scene was Ewan McGregor crying after smashing Vader's helmet and that wasn't scripted. He was overwhelmed after seeing Hayden as Darth Vader. Anything good in Star Wars is heavily reliant on the previous actors under George Lucas.
The fact that people are viewing the sith as the good guys with admirable qualities is a PERFECT representation and commentary on how our culture is falling and people are losing their moral compasses. Honestly, it’s completely predictable.
It is important to do so rationally, the trap most haters of this show fall into is they become to emotional about it and the valid critiscms can be lost. This is a bad show and there are many reasons as to why that is
Not like they are going to listen to the criticism whether it is given logically or emotionally. Trust me you either like the slop they give you or you are the next Hitler. Taking the high road has brought us to this point.
With the lightsaber changing colour. When I was a kid, like a really small kid, I wanted to join the army. And I had this plan of wearing an enemy uniform, sneaking into their base, and swapping, I dunno, the stickers on all the bazookas from the front to the back. So when they aim at OUR tanks, it'll fire the wrong way and shoot whatever is behind them. Obviously, I see the problem with that plan now. The writers of this show seem to be still in my young mindset where the inner workings of a weapon change depending on superficial forces.
The creators started their rhetoric at a Star Wars celebration during a convention where they told the crowd and essentially the world that and I quote there is no good or evil, just shades of grey. Which sounds like every sociopath in a true crime story sitting in an interrogation room on a Dateline episode that use the same rational and rhetoric to minimalize their deranged psychothapy and lack of morality. It's nice to know they've now retconned that original justification in lew of having an actual conscience or moral barometer of any kind public stance and reconfigured their position to making now a firm stance, picking a side and that side is pure, unabashed, unbridled evil. I find this kind of candor refreshing.
Okay, I agree with most of this but I could do without the ableism. Thank you👍 You're right about how they've chosen the dark side, though. When will they learn?
My prediction at this point- the Rey movie happens but is marketed as something else. It’s not the “Rey movie” it’s the “new Jedi order movie” with an ensemble cast……surrrrrrre
Oh, it's all connected. The intention is that Rey will build a perfect Jedi Order where the original Jedi and Luke were failures at doing so. Only a woman can be successful. Remember, the director has already said 1. She enjoys making films to make men uncomfortable 2. The movie is about Rey's journey as a *female* Jedi
Jesus fucking Christ. I have never EVER seen a tv show go so far to break its franchise’s own canon, and, worst of all, insult everyone’s intelligence. I happily avoided it and instead based my review off of RUclips reactions and reviews because I thoroughly believe this show does not deserve its revenue, time, and money. Do not give this show anything, not even through hate-watching. You are better off spending your money elsewhere. Go watch something that recently came out that’s actually good, like Kevin Costner’s “Horizon.” I genuinely can’t believe how Disney and Lucasfilm don’t know how to make a good quality product without Dave Filoni, Gareth Edwards, Tony Gilroy, and Jon Faverau. The worst part is that they do, but they just don’t WANT to.
People remember Knights of the Old Republic right? There's a way of approaching the grey morality of the Jedi without also desecrating George Lucas' mythos and the original/prequel trilogies. But the public discourse now is that the Jedi should unambiguously stay good, and the Sith bad--but this also feels relatively empty. There's ways of exploring these ideas in nuance while also staying faithful to the source material. The Acolyte is absolutely not it and misses the mark; it's full of very shallow writing by admittedly morally bankrupt writers, but this idea that is circulating in the discourse that the morality should never be challenged is completely uncompelling and I hate it.
We’re sick of morally gray characters, they’ve been overdone to death. Some pieces of media obviously do it very well, but it requires actual good writing, and now it’s become some type of fad that lazy writers use to make pretentious stories. I’m so sick of the doom and gloom. People just want a solid hero, I don’t think anyone is saying the Jedi should be ‘unambiguously good’, just that they should CLEARLY be the good side so people can actually root for them.
Therapist: Before we assign you a plan, why don't you tell me your problem? Patient: It all started with "The Acolyte" Therapist: Ooof, uh, we're gonna give you a premium plan, no charge
To be fair the crystal bleeding wasn't the oldest of EU canon. Siths would switch out their crystals for red synthetic crystals. As red are very rarely found to exist naturally.
The Jedi were decieved by a lie, and acted appropriately in response to the needs of thier day. To try to repaint the narrative that good is evil and evil is good is reprehensible.
I really want to know what George Lucas did to Kathleen that she felt the need to set fire to his creation. I really need to find this out. BTW....Clownish Writing is spot on.
And she was able to fool with that. How did she get that? She could get several fans who truly believe her, even though, she didn't show any respect for George Lucas.
Remember back when the Yord actor said theres no good or evil in Star Wars (besides "Anakin destroyed the Death Star)....now we know what he meant with this stupid episode. And dont forget this is for kids. So they are teaching kids that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
This isn’t for kids, can people please stop saying that. There are dark, adult themes and tons of graphic violence. IF this show was targeted at children, I have serious concerns.
From a screenwriting perspective, a theme isn’t a simple as good vs. evil. It’s a philosophical belief that the writer is trying to say through their story and it predicts the ending. When you said Leslye Headland says “giving into your desires and base emotions should be celebrated” you nailed the theme of this show. It drives most of the twins’ actions, and it predicts the ending: Osha kills Sol, trains/falls for Qimir, and the green Jedi lies to the council to save herself.
Yes the theme of why the sith are evil is that they desire control and powe. in Dark Sidious and Plagues case, thier desire for power lead them to believe that the force can be controlled to create life and immortality. Leslie comes in and doesn’t see how Anakin’s was not love as he wanted to obsessively control and protect Padme and the Sith as giving into love rather than power and control
Seems to be a thing with recent disney. Wandavision "they will never know what you gave up for them" about a town of people who were trapped in their own bodies and puppeted to fulfil roles. Falcon and winter soldier: gives a speech about why the terrorist was right to the government officials. I dont get it.
The showrunner played the original kotor and Kotor 2 and as critical drinker said, she loved the story but didn't have the talent to even attempt to replicate those amazing stories. I'm currently reading the older star wars legacy comics so I can relive when star wars was decent. Thank you for taking one for the team.
When you literally have a property based on an epic battle between good and evil, and you dress the bad guy's military as Nazis to convey that, and then you say: Actually, maybe the bad guys are fine, what does that say about your view of Nazis?
Osha and Mae are split personalities like Gollum/Sméagol. None of this show actually happened, it’s all just a fever dream in Moesha’s schizophrenic mind. It’s a fantasy concocted by a psychotic break, she has rewritten a make-believe history for herself in which she is the main character and a magical force creation of great importance to the universe. In reality she’s a nobody, strapped to a gurney in a High Republic mental institution on Coruscant.
The blame for this show should start from the top. With Kathleen Kennedy hiring Leslye Headland to make this show. With Dave Filoni encouraging the show to be made. But lastly Blame should fall squarely on Bob Iger for greenlighting show. And don't we should remember the media for calling everyone racist, bigots, and maganistc for dislike the show.
No this is another problem with Hollywood lately. They have bad morals and they put those morals on the screen and the IP and the audience is repulsed because we have morals. Captain America had to have those rewrites because they put out the poor morals and the audience said, no.
Star Wars is a franchise about MORALS! Good vs Evil! Selflessness vs Selfishness! Love vs Hate, forgiveness and redemption vs revenge and destruction. The Jedi are an objective GOOD the Sith are an objective EVIL! If you don't understand that, you do not understand Star Wars, PERIOD!
I saw someone say the reason Osha is able to change the saber color is bc she is acting out of anger, and the reason Anakin’s doesn’t change color because he is acting out of fear… Yeah, bc Anakin wasn’t angry at all during the prequels.
I still don't understand how we're supposed to be convinced that OSHA is full of anger/rage when that's so opposite of what they actually show us through her behavior. She's so mild. Even Mae, though, doesn't convey hate/rage either (despite having trained in the dark side for, what, 17 years?). It would be hilarious if in The Phantom Menace, when Darth Maul opens the doors to face Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon on Naboo, he claws his hand out awkwardly and says "Attack me...with all your strength"
I feel like the writers at Disney will unironically label their own show #Deep. They’re trying to do what Keia did in Kotor2 but completely lack the skill and know how to do it.
Something that not many have brought up is that this whole show has been one big ol therapy session for headland. From injecting her experience as an assistant to one of Hollywoods most notorious sexual predators, to her familial relationship vis-à-vis Osha and Mae.
It is hilarious that we’re meant to empathise with Mae and Osha.. Amandla Stenberg is the weakest link in the entire show, yet she’s supposed to expertly navigate between the two characters she portrays. She can’t play any character, let alone two.
me thinks this: lesbian headlamp said she was bullied in school. me thinks she was bullied by star wars fans and NOW she is getting back at them by destroying SW, her and kathleen kennedy.
A show made by the former assistant of Harvey Weinshein is promoting that being evil is good and that the good people are bad... Well, I never saw that coming...🤨🤥😂
This sh tshow is not Star Wars. It is a show with an agenda, which can be summarized as: "Good is evil and evil is good". It just does not care about the fans or if anybody is entertained. It just wants to teach that message and maybe even is for the creator some kind of psychological help session. She already said, that she was dreaming about a "good girl, bad guy" love story as teenager -- and thus, we all have to love it ...
And how original would that be ! I mean NO teenager, or even adult hetero woman ever dreamt of a somewhat "forbidden" relationship with a superhot bad guy . /s
It’s not just Star Wars it’s ALL media, rings of power, marvels scarlet witch and Star Wars. Apparently fighting the patriarchy involves embracing evil and opposing good.
While i don’t think the writing was the tightest writing Star Wars has ever had, I read the Acolyte as more of a cautionary tale. This show demonstrates the way, even 100 years before the prequels, that the Jedi are already being corrupted by the bureaucracy and political wiles of the Senate (I interpreted the so-called “evil” acts of the Jedi like covering up Sol’s death and such as trying to stay in good graces with the Senate). I also think Mother Aniseya’s reference to the fall of the Jedi in the future because they are so bad at handling grief (though both cases of poorly handled grief should not have been Jedi by their rules but that’s besides the point) was less saying “the Jedi are evil and wrong” and more saying “the Jedi are flawed and I don’t want my children to grow up with them.” Also, on Sol murdering Aniseya being portrayed as an evil thing: the Jedi kill many people that they perceive as a threat without being shown in that light. Why is that? Maybe this alternate pov is showing something about how the rest of the galaxy sees the Jedi (since we normally see the narrative on the side of the Jedi). Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t think the end of the series felt like a victory for anyone. We’re supposed to mourn for Mae’s death (losing your memories is basically the equivalent of death) and Osha’s Fall to the dark side, but the writing is pretty subtle and I think they could’ve brought this sad tone to the surface. Anyways, that’s my thoughts. Let’s discuss, I rlly want to hear others’ perspectives as well!!
At the most bare minimum, i appreciate the TLJ effect this is having on so many youtube channels' popularity/exposure. Finding so many new ones to watch.
Theres more Harry Potter fan fic in the show than there is Star Wars fan fic. 😂 I've never seen a show that had less original ideas in my lifetime. She stole concepts, plot lines, characters and visual ideas from so many other existing films, shows and books that aren't even that old. Someone read 'Steal like artist' and took it literally 🤦♀️
Not just spiteful. It was meta spiteful. The show, the PR, the fake social media drama, the shills, the paid for / access media, the R&B videos. This was all done in bad faith.
Thank you for pointing out that the writer is a bad person. True. Kids watch star wars movies. It's a series that sells toys. We must point out evil when it rears it's head.
I guess this explains why Leslie didn't seem to have a problem with Harvey Weinstein... As far as Kennedy goes, I haven't decided if I think she hates Star Wars and George Lucas or if she thinks that she was given Lucasfilm to make "her Star Wars." What came before was George Lucas's Star Wars, and now that she's in charge, she's going to shape it into her own vision. "I'm in charge, so I can do with it what I want." It isn't that she hates Star Wars, she just wants to prove that her Star Wars can be just as good. Just a theory. Either way it sucks. To be fair, I don't think "everything" in canon sucks. It's just that far too much of it does, and it's made by people who either simply don't understand Star Wars or just want to co-opt the platform for their personal activist agendas. Regardless, Kennedy needs to be replaced by someone who actually gets it, and it might even be necessary for Disney to sell Licasfilm for there to be any meaningful hope. Dave Filoni is definitely baffling, though. I used to hold him in high regard because he was a showrunner for The Clone Wars which kept a lot of the fandom engaged after the prequels, and he used to he one of the only people of telling good stories in this universe under Disney, but it seems like the more power and direct control he's been given, the less capable he seems to be able to wield that power. The question, however, is how much influence has he had on the creative direction of some of these various projects not directly made by him. I'm pretty sure a lot of these shows, including Acolyte, were already in production before he took his post (they were announced in 2020 or 2021 when Kennedy announced all if thise shows and movies at the Disney shareholders presentation, half of which still haven't come out and never will).
Bad news for the writers: Good will ultimately win over Evil. Very sad they’re promoting selfish desires over what is right and good. “The wicked plots against the just, And gnashes at him with his teeth. The Lord laughs at him, For He sees that his day is coming.” Psalms 37:12-13
Reminds me of Glinda clapping back at the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz. "Ha! Please, you have no power here. Now be gone before someone drops a house on YOU!"
THANK YOU. She ruins her points when she is incorrect and says it with a correct tone. Same thing with the Kyber crystals bleeding. It was a thing in certain comics and wasn’t a thing in 2005
Nothing was still "intact" after TLJ. That misguided vanity piece damaged the saga beyond repair. After TLJ, I didn't care anymore whether the "Star Wars" label was stuck on poorly written propaganda nonsense or not. It had become just a label and did not stand for anything of interest to me anymore. So whether or not The Acoshyte is bad or really, really bad, does not concern me at all. It has nothing to do with "proper Star Wars", just like TLJ did not have anything to do with proper Star Wars. The difference is that it still mattered whether TLJ was rubbish or not and the fact that it did not turn everything on its head does not redeem it one little bit. I was deeply affected after TLJ because I had lost something I treasured. The Acoshyte's beating of a dead carcass does not upset me anymore than if some random person invented some fan fiction I didn't like and narrated it to people on a street corner. So what, it does not matter.
#notmyStarWars Also, be prepared for the sheeple out there to say you've got "internalized misogyny" or some such crap. How DARE you think for yourself and have your own opinions!
Mindwiping is from the EU games, not gonna say who or what the plot was but it's definitely not a new idea, however it's also shown as an unforgettable thing to do, something to be ashamed of, in the Original Lucas canon (EU), Before Disney.
Bruh I get what you want people to experience the game themselves, but come on. That game and the person in question is literally the video game equivalent of the Vader reveal everyone into Star Wars knows who you're talking about even if they never played it.
Leslie Headlands extreme misunderstanding of KEY starwars elements isn't the only thing to blame, but it certainly is a significant one among the shows maaaannnny fatal flaws. Leslie seriously said that when she was young and watching starwars that she didnt understand the line about "Vader being SEDUCED by the dark side of the force". She said she didnt know what the word "seduced" meant. Then she got older and then it all made sense to her.... except she was completely wrong lol. She LITERALLY thinks "seduced by the dark side" is referring to a "sexual seduction". She actually said this. And sure enough its in the show. Qimir undressing and bathing with Osha watching, starring, leering at him. He says countless thinly veiled sexual innuendos to her. All to "sexually seduce" her to the dark side 😂. Its seriously painful to watch ...but as im sure we all know by now, its even worse than that. Turning on the disney audio scene description gives a narration that sounds like a trashy errotic novel that would have Fabio on the cover. The descriptions include, his glistening muscles, well toned back, the word throbbing tossed in for absolutely no reason and MUCH more that was too cringe for me to retain. Leslie Headland is a simpleton narcissist that should have NEVER been allowed anywhere near such a project...or within 500 feet of an elementary school. The idea that her horrendous script was greenlit with a budget of 180 million is sickening. Yeah, the show sucked, we all got some good laughs at these incompetent identity politics hires in yet another woke train wreck disaster. But...each time this happens it becomes a little bit less funny and at this point its starting to be just plain sad. Can you imagine all the excellent ideas and scripts from brilliant ppl that never even got the chance to pitch them because they didnt check ✅ the right boxes? This nonsense is destroying the entertainment industry and wreaking havoc in virtually every nook and cranny of our society. How far is this gonna go? How long can this possibly be sustained before the mistake is realized? Or not realized and everything begins to collapse? These questions... these arent so funny. 😕
If lightsabers automatically turned red when its user turns to the dark side, why didn't Anakin's lightsaber turn red while he was slaughtering younglings?
I wasn't expecting anything from the acolyte, I thought it would be a fart in the wind, I'm surprised to be, not exactly dissapointed-I expected nothing-but leaving it Offended by the blatant cult apoligia for the crazy witch cult, I was raised in a cult, and seeing this show go "how sad the cultists got stopped from abusing children" and framing them as good or missunderstood when they are just evil, this show actually makes me pissed off now
I'm glad you mentioned the way she interpreted being seduce to the dark side. I've seen a lot of creators talk about what a stupid comment that was, but no one I've heard has really seemed to catch that she really did think people turned to the dark side because that seduction, to her, is sexual. Sexuality has nothing to do with the force. It's like sbe equates the dark side with being open about and indulging in your sexuality or something. It's literally the most stupid take about the force that I've ever heard. And don't apologize for calling her dumb. If the shoe fits... she could have avoided this by visiting wookieepedia once or twice to make sure she wasn't going to put something idiotic into her show. It's not that hard. I've read better fanfiction than anything in this show.
We're experiencing the repercussions of having a surplus of writers who are told Scorcese is good without understanding why. They tend to see evil more as a cosmetic choice than anything substantive.
As somebody who watched Star Wars in the seventies and eighties in the Movie Theatre and loved the Movies for what they were: Adventure Pew Pew Friendship-Family Spaceship go zoooooom and thus falling in love with it ( long sentence oh my) I can only say one thing: '' Let Star Wars die and create something new! Consequently; I encourage everyone to delve into their mind and create something NEW...do not get into the vitriol of weaponized ENTERTAINMENT..thank you!
I have to call out the action as well! I keep seeing people saying “it’s bad but the fight are the best we’ve ever seen” but the lightsabers look like plastic… and the wire work is terrible. There is not a single redeeming factor in this show, not one. Sol is a bad character, the actor did okay but his squidgames performance was amazing. Disney made him incompetent. Leslie really heard seduced by the force and ran with it. Awful awful awful television
The Acolyte was actually much worse than I thought it was initially because I watched a group that pointed out every inconsistentcy and out of character moment in the show which made me realise just how bad it got. Good god this doesn't even deserve to be called writing.
Im very convinced that they had a number of sub plots that either got canned, or were even filmed but then cut for time. Either that or this was legit written by AI. Like there are so many moments and dialogue bits that scream “there was supposed to be something here to explain this!”
Remember, the whole "Bleeding a Kyber Crystal" thing was an addition after Disney bought Star Wars and threw out the EU (you know, only to cherry-pick what they thought looked neat, only to twist it to make their new stuff look better by comparison, but anyway). So not only did they retcon how red lightsabers work, but they retconned the existing retcon. Anyway, can't wait for season two when Darth Plagius learns how to create life from the twins, thus stripping him of the thing he's best known for, to prop up the director's OCs...
"Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."--The moral of "The Acolyte."
Satanic...
The wisdom of Dark Helmet, who is funny but also evil
The green lady even gets her “schwartz twisted”
When the parody makes more sense than the actual product.
The one competent writer left in Kathleen Kennedy’s Lucasfilm story group: “I’m surrounded by assholes!”
When you’re morally bankrupt, you can’t write good and evil because you don’t understand either.
@ColbyPurcell
Narcissists are generally not self aware and see themselves as tragic heroes.
Someone never read Darth Bane or Darth Plagueis
“Write what you know” certainly comes true with Leslye Headland.🥶
or notice that the show is highlighting the grey area and paradoxes. the dots inside the yin yang explain the entire show. if you don't understand that concept you won't understand the show.
@@mkhud50n - That is literally YOU projecting YOUR belief onto a show that is nowhere near as deep or as meaningful as you believe because Leslye Headland the writer of this story has none of your understanding of the nuances of good and evil and if she did she has frankly failed to manifest them in her teenage like fan fiction of a story.
This happens time after time with Disney Star Wars where fans create very deep and convincing stories to make up for the total lack of thought in the newer Disney sequels and their scripts. I remember reading better stories and explanations in the comments for the events of Disney Star Wars shows than the writing team at Lucasfilm could ever manage…only to realise the fans were putting in way more thought than the scriptwriters.
Leslye Headland won’t even understand your concept but she’ll steal it if it makes her look better…🥹
This show is spitefully written, mischaracterizing the Jedi as only the beginning. It is incredibly cruel to its characters, asking the audience to cheer for awful characters doing awful things. It feels so selfish, delusional and narcissistic
You just described the writers of the show
Just like the people in charge really …. Not surprised entertainment has turned . Evil has taken over .
But
It could also be …. Dark side characters are popular … they misinterpreted the statistics (sales etc) of dark side merchandise , for example Darth Vader and Darth maul , my favourite Star Wars characters … not because they are evil but because they are bad ass … I’m always into villains, always cooler looking in my opinion
Welp modern women are writing and producing it soooooo
Do these twins ever do anything good for anyone apart from themselves?
And if you dare not like it you're a -ist!!
I asked my mom who has been watching the show, “so was it a series finale or just a season finale?”. She said in her view it was a series finale because she never wants to see any of these characters ever again. 😂😂😂
based mom
They killed off the roles of their two best actors, Jung-Jae and Moss. If they continue with the current crop the show is going to be unwatchable anyway.
More like a franchise finale. Why would I want to watch anything having to do with Jedi or Sith in it if both are bad?
@@sashmiel6566 , it's not a franchise finale until there is an Andor and even a slim possibility that Andor can be repeated.
The Star Wars Christmas special is more true to Star Wars than The Acolyte
at least george lucas worked on it and tried to make something fun
Like atleast it was not take itself seriously.
This is from the same company that had Scarlet Witch torture people mercilessly for months to live in a nightmare fantasy world of her's and when she finally releases her hostages, a woman tells her "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them." As well as the same people that had Falcon and Winter Soldier endorse domestic terrorism. None of this is a mistake. It's intentional.
facts
I liked WandaVision but that was such a dumb line from Monica.
@@InfernoScorpion14 Monica was given dumb lines since she was a child in Captain Marvel LOL. Peer pressuring her mom into going to space to be a "good example for her" cringe 🤣
"If you won't let us leave, then please just let us die!"
Stupid line, but overall Wanda was treated as an abtagonistic force. We were meant to understand her grief, yes, but we were also meant to view her actions as toxic and harmful. That line was awful, but it was an isolated incident within the show.
For Falcon, what? Endorsing terrorism? No? Sams monologue was executed very poorly, but it never at any point endorsed terrorism. The whole point was that the people in power forced the flag smashers from their homes and discriminated against them before they had done anything wrong. This directly lead to them becoming terrorists, meaning that the senators are still partially resonsible for the violence caused. The problem was, they never gave us a reason to believe that this discrimination had been taking place, making it an extremely unearned payoff. The problem with the scene was never that Sam was 'endorsing terrorism'. Its not as if he turned around and said that the flag smashers were right and the government were wrong. It was just badly executed.
We need to remember that Lesley is the *personal* assistant of the most despicable man in Hollywood and she got away with no repercussions. I’m not surprised that she has this mindset and think evil and vice is “morally good”.
There’s a saying that we should take notes from: Woe to those who call evil “good” and good “evil”.
Another adage is "Write what you know"
Not playing the devil's advocate here. His victims did allow it to happen for years. They got what they wanted and he was no longer of use to them.
At least Harvey understood what a movie was.
That saying is actually a verse in the Bible (Isaiah 5:20) and let me tell you, as a Christian, as soon as I saw the the nightsisters were being portrayed as benign and misunderstood and mistreated, I was onto the moral stance of the show. The light side is oppressive and the dark side is oppressed. And every episode kept reinforcing it 🙃 I didn’t watch the show but I keep watching Jester for the updates on it and yep, with this last episode where no one atoned for their actions and got away with everything it’s like watching a criminal’s fanfic, it’s truly amazing how blatant it is but I’m also not surprised unfortunately 💔
Anakin kills a room full of younglings still has a blue saber afterwards, Mae kills one guy and her(not even hers) saber changes 😆😆😆
Moreover, he killed a bunch of Tusken Raiders in revenge for killing his mother. Yet nothing happened to his saber.
@@lilmovieperp3599 Okay but the point is that the movie wasn't trying to make you think he was A GOOD GUY for killing younglings. This isn't about whether or not you enjoy watching a villain.
The witch turned into a literal monster, am I taking crazy pills? It's the Jedis fault for reacting in any way. OK
It's all the witches fault.
@@idiot_city5444 It was the lesbian space witches all along. 😉
@@idiot_city5444 these witches need to take some accountability and stop changing into monsters
Yep, the whole incident going bad was Mother Anasaia's fault the moment she manipulated Torbin's mind.
The Jedi were completely justified in taking out that cult and based on the cult's actions, the Jedi council would have backed them up. They proved themselves to be darksiders with their actions.
They broke into their home, and assumed they were a threat, and then were shocked when they defended themselves...
KOTOR did the 'is the dark side really bad?' thing WAY better. They frame it as being about passion rather than cruelty, and that sets the player down the path of temptation by the dark side. But then it shows that it's a slippery slope and it corrupts people who had originally good intentions.
Yup, the dark side also pretends to be good, only to pull its practitioners deeper and deeper until they become trapped like an addiction.
Even KOTOR 2, the grayest star wars game didn't sugarcoat it
Hell KOTOR 2 had probably the most sinistre and terryfing version of the Sith
The Acolyte is the worst thing to happen to shipping since U-boats
LMAOOOOO
They really TORPEDOED the concept, didn't they...😉
That's pretty good 😏 lol
Look, i love the sith. I'm darkside ftw. They're badass and cool. But they are NOT the good guys! And to make it otherwise is stupid and lore inaccurate! WTF is this show?!
@@tenebraequeene Favorite Sith?
Exactly my point t of view I I could have written this message tbh loll exactly my opinion word for word pretty much
And a note , I watched 20 minutes of episode 1 in this series ,,, saw all I needed to see , went to reviews after that
@@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR.I k ow it’s not for me the question but I’ll answer
Darth Bane
You ?
@@hadesunderworld4203 It's fine. Anyone is free to answer the question. I love Darth Bane, but my favorite has to be Plagueis.
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
"Then you have truly lost your way".
Can't believe they turned one of the worst quotes in Star Wars history into reality.
-Anakin Skywalker,the owner of Youngling slayer 3000
So, as the Sith well worse , one side is good but the order has issues on shutting their emotions out and not dealing with them properly. On the other side it is becoming a monster by being so cancerous to others and themselves .
@@redd-qh4xn This is why Luke's Jedi order works. He understand the importance of emotions,and changed Jedis approach about it by lighting up the rules. But he did not let the emotions control him.
@@redd-qh4xnthe reason the jedi became that way is in reaction to the sith and their uncontrolled passions. But the jedi wasnt always that way.
Honestly, this spits in the face of one of the central themes of Star Wars: Evil corrupts and destroys.
Anakin turned to the Dark Side, albeit with good intentions, he wanted to save his wife. But as he gives in he starts to grow more power-hungry and evil, and he pays the price by losing his wife and being forced to spend the rest of his days trapped in a life-support suit, serving the man who tricked him into said life.
But, given how modern audiences love moral bankruptcy, it doesn't surprise me that they would make something like the Aco-Bud-Lyte.
I guess according to this show Darth nihilus, Darth tenebrous, Palatine and even malek were all morally correct.
@@leviticusprime4904 Good thing DSW ain't canon.
Exactly. People are losing their grip of what evil really is. I know this is just a lame sci-fi show, but the moral implications of what people value here is a bit creepy on a broader scale.
@@rachel43210 All too true, my friend.
Cant forget Anakin tried to kill his friend Obi Wan in his anger induced state and ended up losing and burning on a lava planet screaming "I hate you!"
So let me get this straight. Yoda can sense Anakin slaughtering the Tuskins and the Jedi getting wiped out in Order 66, yet couldn't sense Smilo Ren slaughtering the Jedi left and right from the very beginning?
WTF is this?
And to add insult to injury, Vernestra and The Jedi covered up all evidence while Sol died like a chump and then they blamed him for all the deaths that was caused by Smilo Ren?
Unbelievable.
This entire show went from stupid to disgustingly insulting, its mind boggling.
I chalk that up to the fact Anakin having such a strong connection to the force because he was born from it, and when it came to Order 66, Jedi were being slaughtered pretty much at the same time. Both were like massive waves being created in the Force. Much like when Obi-Wan sensed the destruction of Alderran.
Star wars good and evil are not the same as REAL life good and evil. Just a sith origin predicated on a poorly executed tragedy.
I mean the bad guys win in Return of the Jedi
@@Deuteromis That just makes it worse. That would make the Jedi even more inclined to dismiss Anakin if not trap him in a black hole. Or have him Jump to Hyperspace through a Venator.
What evidence is there that Yoda didn't sense the death in this show? Also, he didn't notice the Sith master he was 5 feet from for decades.
Ohhhh, shhhhhhaaaaaaa
Is Headland trying to find a philosophy where an assistant who herds young women to a known sexual abuser can still be seen as "fine"?
"You can have everything you want, you can give into your desires... and that's GOOD!"
Definitely not something you'd expect from someone who worked with HARVEY WEINSTEIN. 🤣
Did that end good?
Would you expect her to write a story where there are women who cover up the bad events surrounding their co-workers?
IKR
She clear!y didnt watch that interview with George were he explained where greed and desire and selfishness leads to!!! I'm so mad that kids nowadays get these lessons
@@leonais1 Underrated insight .
I feel sorry for sol. The only moment where we actually see a jedi master is sol's 'i will destroy you if i must' moment in the final fight. He actually looked and acted like a jedi master. Only for them to slander his character, go out like a creep, and have his reputation dragged through the mud. He didnt deserve this.
Let’s be real he was a pretty shit character even before that. The obsession with Mae without knowing her was just so weird. Even more fucking annoying is that Leslie said she made sol and osha to be like qui gon and anakin even tho the 2 couldn’t be farther apart😭
Jester looks so stressed that she had to watch this 😂. We appreciate you!
She’s so good hearted! 😂
Disagree. The Last Jedi was fueled by spite. Saying the Acolyte was similarly spiteful implies that the creators know enough about the source material to resent it.
I think it's pretty clear that this was cosplay funtime for some random lucky writers who could give a F about Star Wars but who are TOtaL GeEk NerDS so they loved the chance to insert their own nonsense in the most popular franchise on the planet.
Wouldn't you say Headland presents a type of spitefulness when she says stuff like George Lucas is not the only source for star wars? Doesn't she have spitefulness by making this a therapy session for her? This show is literally for Headland and her friends only
@@suf-star7866there is a difference between spite and just dumb self-centeredness and ignorance. Doesn’t mean they can’t both be present, though 🤔
Agreed, the Acolyte is uniquely spiteful because it even character-assassinated a character from the High Republic era - completely not legacy, the Initiative launched in 2021. Vernestra from the Light of the Jedi book is now solely responsible for the Jedi Order not finding out about the plot of the Sith before 32 BBY. As soon as she arrived on Brendok, she could tell her old apprentice Qimir is involved in all of these Jedi assassinations in some way, but instead of uncovering the truth, she blamed it all on her fellow Master Sol who is no longer alive to tell his side of the story and reported that lie to Yoda. All that because she does not want her failure to train Qimir to be known publicly. Vernestra has been turned into a completely corrupt POS.
Man, people don't even know. The worst character assassination in this show is of a High Republic character. Headland is even spiteful toward High Republic writers, people who are supposed to be on her own side.
In all honesty, it's basically just "haterfiction" (opposite of fanfiction, if that makes any sense) made by someone who's only really understanding of Star Wars is that a lot of its best known protagonists are dudes, which was enough for her to decide she needed to 💩 all over it
@suf-star7866 thats less spite and more arrogance.
"Who the hell does thia George guy think he is huh? Did he make star wars? Oh he did. Well he's old now and we youngins lnow better"
‘Always two there are… unless.. the acolyte you are watching. Where three there are.’
~ Yoda.
Also, Sith can't count, so whenever there's more than "two", they just say "many".
"The power of one,
the power of two,
the power of money..."
Oh, sorry. Maybe the Sith can count, after all.
You mean you didnt feel catharsis at two murderous twins finally hugging it out after years apart, now brought together by their shared shittiness?
Headland completely ignored that the all the talk of the Dark Side leading to love, expression, and passion has always been the pitch lines from blatant villains. The Dark Side lies about giving you whatever you want, but slowly strips everything from you until the hate and power lust is all you have. At a certain point, they deliberately destroy whatever or whoever they once loved because they were holding them back.
There is no moderation with it to take just what you want because that goes against its very nature. The Sith dupe themselves into thinking they're the masters of it when everything they do is in service to the Dark Side. They literally rot from the inside out the more they use it.
There is no moral relativism with it, no matter how hard you try to twist it.
*THANK YOU* I am so sick and tired of “Grey Jedi this” and “Grey Jedi that” *Grey Jedi are not a thing* they weren’t a thing when Lucas was running things, they aren’t at least supposed to be a thing in this universe. The Dark Side and Light Side are not some Yin and Yang combination, the Light Side is the Yin Yang Balance and the Darkside seeks to disrupt that balance. Balance is light side supremacy
EXACTLY !!! I still remember listening to George Lucas explaining selflessness v selfishness
@@justinbowers2749 Headcanon, possibly supported by "Legends" stories I have read (I can't remember): There is only the light and the dark side, but there are different approaches to the light side.
* The Jedi and their Code are advocating the safer approach, distancing themselves from feelings and attachments as much as possible, as the grief of loss or betrayal one could start someone on the path towards the dark side.
* A "grey Jedi", who is NOT a Jedi, would be a light side force user who doesn't distance themself from feelings and attachments, but try to reject the negative emotions when they inevitably arise. Akin to walking on an emotional tight-rope, the smallest misstep could lead to a fall. I imagine trying to make this tight-rope less perilous was why the Jedi Code was originally created.
The whole "using both sides of the Force", Jolee Bindo-style, is exceedingly weird to me, as they are different ways to connect with the same "energy field". The light side is basically communing with the Force in an equal exchange and the dark side is forcing your will and emotions onto it, while receiving those same feelings back in a feedback loop.
*What could’ve been:*
✅ Sith perspective story similar to Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane novels; Sith warrior and inquisitor stories from SWTOR.
✅ Mature and grounded story similar to Andor but with the mysticism of the Dark Side. In-depth look at Sith philosophy as we follow a master/apprentice two vs an entire galaxy story.
✅ Well-written Sith protagonists part of a two-person organization in a thousand-year conspiracy to upset the Galactic status-quo.
✅ New Star Wars timeline.
Reality:
❌ The Acolyte…. “The power of one, the power of two. The power of many.”
@@ThespianPrince13the ironic thing with Acolytes "power of many" nonsense is that the many always lose.
The group of witches got K.O'd or killed by one jedi severing their mind control and the group of jedi masters got bodied by Smilo Ren to be embarressed by a padawan. I bet if smilo and Osha jumped Sol, he might have won.
"the worst thing ever produced under the Star Wars banner"
Given how many things have lowered the bar in this franchise over the years...that's terrifying.
Leslie, you have failed. I will never route for the Dark Side
You are a Jedi, as your father before you.
*What could’ve been:*
✅ Sith perspective story similar to Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane novels; Sith warrior and inquisitor stories from SWTOR.
✅ Mature and grounded story similar to Andor but with the mysticism of the Dark Side. In-depth look at Sith philosophy as we follow a master/apprentice two vs an entire galaxy story.
✅ Well-written Sith protagonists part of a two-person organization in a thousand-year conspiracy to upset the Galactic status-quo.
✅ New Star Wars timeline.
Reality:
❌ The Acolyte…. “The power of one, the power of two. The power of many.”
@@ThespianPrince13 Like a lot of Disney Star Wars. Just imagine how good Kenobi could have been. Yet even with all of the bad writing and bad directing, the stand out scene was Ewan McGregor crying after smashing Vader's helmet and that wasn't scripted. He was overwhelmed after seeing Hayden as Darth Vader. Anything good in Star Wars is heavily reliant on the previous actors under George Lucas.
@@kendrathompson5207 Damn i didn't know that.
The fact that people are viewing the sith as the good guys with admirable qualities is a PERFECT representation and commentary on how our culture is falling and people are losing their moral compasses.
Honestly, it’s completely predictable.
I am so glad that we are no longer afraid to call evil for what it is.
You shouldn’t ever apologize for calling an idiot an idiot.seeing things for what they are is not a bad thing,it’s just seeing things with open eyes.
Living is easy with eyes closed
It is important to do so rationally, the trap most haters of this show fall into is they become to emotional about it and the valid critiscms can be lost. This is a bad show and there are many reasons as to why that is
Not like they are going to listen to the criticism whether it is given logically or emotionally. Trust me you either like the slop they give you or you are the next Hitler. Taking the high road has brought us to this point.
With the lightsaber changing colour.
When I was a kid, like a really small kid, I wanted to join the army. And I had this plan of wearing an enemy uniform, sneaking into their base, and swapping, I dunno, the stickers on all the bazookas from the front to the back. So when they aim at OUR tanks, it'll fire the wrong way and shoot whatever is behind them.
Obviously, I see the problem with that plan now.
The writers of this show seem to be still in my young mindset where the inner workings of a weapon change depending on superficial forces.
The creators started their rhetoric at a Star Wars celebration during a convention where they told the crowd and essentially the world that and I quote there is no good or evil, just shades of grey. Which sounds like every sociopath in a true crime story sitting in an interrogation room on a Dateline episode that use the same rational and rhetoric to minimalize their deranged psychothapy and lack of morality. It's nice to know they've now retconned that original justification in lew of having an actual conscience or moral barometer of any kind public stance and reconfigured their position to making now a firm stance, picking a side and that side is pure, unabashed, unbridled evil. I find this kind of candor refreshing.
Okay, I agree with most of this but I could do without the ableism. Thank you👍
You're right about how they've chosen the dark side, though. When will they learn?
My prediction at this point- the Rey movie happens but is marketed as something else. It’s not the “Rey movie” it’s the “new Jedi order movie” with an ensemble cast……surrrrrrre
Oh, it's all connected. The intention is that Rey will build a perfect Jedi Order where the original Jedi and Luke were failures at doing so. Only a woman can be successful.
Remember, the director has already said
1. She enjoys making films to make men uncomfortable
2. The movie is about Rey's journey as a *female* Jedi
@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery Rey is about to make “the new coven”
Jesus fucking Christ. I have never EVER seen a tv show go so far to break its franchise’s own canon, and, worst of all, insult everyone’s intelligence. I happily avoided it and instead based my review off of RUclips reactions and reviews because I thoroughly believe this show does not deserve its revenue, time, and money. Do not give this show anything, not even through hate-watching. You are better off spending your money elsewhere. Go watch something that recently came out that’s actually good, like Kevin Costner’s “Horizon.”
I genuinely can’t believe how Disney and Lucasfilm don’t know how to make a good quality product without Dave Filoni, Gareth Edwards, Tony Gilroy, and Jon Faverau. The worst part is that they do, but they just don’t WANT to.
@@thestarwarsman573 Correction: People like Dave Filoni and Jon Faverau can't make anything of quality when it comes to Star Wars, ESPECIALLY Filoni.
Um, Dave Filoni approved the whole Acolyte script. He's the Chief Executive Officer.😬
Take a step back from the internet and ask yourself why you’re so mad about a show you haven’t even seen…
@@j.c.jeggis1818 Have you not read his comment?
Literally what the hell is the acolyte????!
People remember Knights of the Old Republic right? There's a way of approaching the grey morality of the Jedi without also desecrating George Lucas' mythos and the original/prequel trilogies.
But the public discourse now is that the Jedi should unambiguously stay good, and the Sith bad--but this also feels relatively empty. There's ways of exploring these ideas in nuance while also staying faithful to the source material. The Acolyte is absolutely not it and misses the mark; it's full of very shallow writing by admittedly morally bankrupt writers, but this idea that is circulating in the discourse that the morality should never be challenged is completely uncompelling and I hate it.
We’re sick of morally gray characters, they’ve been overdone to death. Some pieces of media obviously do it very well, but it requires actual good writing, and now it’s become some type of fad that lazy writers use to make pretentious stories. I’m so sick of the doom and gloom. People just want a solid hero, I don’t think anyone is saying the Jedi should be ‘unambiguously good’, just that they should CLEARLY be the good side so people can actually root for them.
Therapist: Before we assign you a plan, why don't you tell me your problem?
Patient: It all started with "The Acolyte"
Therapist: Ooof, uh, we're gonna give you a premium plan, no charge
Does that Premium Plan involve Euthanasia?
Mainly spiteful
To be fair the crystal bleeding wasn't the oldest of EU canon. Siths would switch out their crystals for red synthetic crystals. As red are very rarely found to exist naturally.
The Jedi were decieved by a lie, and acted appropriately in response to the needs of thier day. To try to repaint the narrative that good is evil and evil is good is reprehensible.
I really want to know what George Lucas did to Kathleen that she felt the need to set fire to his creation. I really need to find this out. BTW....Clownish Writing is spot on.
"Star Wars saved my life!" - Who else wishes it hadn't?
This is what happens, when you lezt bad Tumblr writers get their crap out to the world.
And she was able to fool with that. How did she get that? She could get several fans who truly believe her, even though, she didn't show any respect for George Lucas.
Remember back when the Yord actor said theres no good or evil in Star Wars (besides "Anakin destroyed the Death Star)....now we know what he meant with this stupid episode.
And dont forget this is for kids.
So they are teaching kids that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
This isn’t for kids, can people please stop saying that. There are dark, adult themes and tons of graphic violence. IF this show was targeted at children, I have serious concerns.
I'm wondering how my re-writes the script went through. Really seems like they just used the first draft and called it a day.
Leslie worked for an evil guy, so ofc she is making a show where the bad guys are misunderstood and he good guys are bad guys 😂
Its very confusing and depressing
From a screenwriting perspective, a theme isn’t a simple as good vs. evil. It’s a philosophical belief that the writer is trying to say through their story and it predicts the ending. When you said Leslye Headland says “giving into your desires and base emotions should be celebrated” you nailed the theme of this show. It drives most of the twins’ actions, and it predicts the ending: Osha kills Sol, trains/falls for Qimir, and the green Jedi lies to the council to save herself.
Yes the theme of why the sith are evil is that they desire control and powe. in Dark Sidious and Plagues case, thier desire for power lead them to believe that the force can be controlled to create life and immortality. Leslie comes in and doesn’t see how Anakin’s was not love as he wanted to obsessively control and protect Padme and the Sith as giving into love rather than
power and control
Seems to be a thing with recent disney.
Wandavision "they will never know what you gave up for them" about a town of people who were trapped in their own bodies and puppeted to fulfil roles.
Falcon and winter soldier: gives a speech about why the terrorist was right to the government officials.
I dont get it.
Horrible message for the kids.
The showrunner played the original kotor and Kotor 2 and as critical drinker said, she loved the story but didn't have the talent to even attempt to replicate those amazing stories.
I'm currently reading the older star wars legacy comics so I can relive when star wars was decent.
Thank you for taking one for the team.
Legacy? As in “Cade Skywalker, Luke’s Force ghost and Artoo are the last hope for the galaxy” Legacy? THAT Legacy?
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncholegends isn’t perfect but better than Disney cannon. Nobody’s gonna defend Dark Empire.
When you literally have a property based on an epic battle between good and evil, and you dress the bad guy's military as Nazis to convey that, and then you say: Actually, maybe the bad guys are fine, what does that say about your view of Nazis?
Don't forget the grooming scenes every other episode.
Osha and Mae are split personalities like Gollum/Sméagol. None of this show actually happened, it’s all just a fever dream in Moesha’s schizophrenic mind. It’s a fantasy concocted by a psychotic break, she has rewritten a make-believe history for herself in which she is the main character and a magical force creation of great importance to the universe. In reality she’s a nobody, strapped to a gurney in a High Republic mental institution on Coruscant.
Now THAT sounds like a Story worth telling .
The blame for this show should start from the top. With Kathleen Kennedy hiring Leslye Headland to make this show. With Dave Filoni encouraging the show to be made. But lastly Blame should fall squarely on Bob Iger for greenlighting show. And don't we should remember the media for calling everyone racist, bigots, and maganistc for dislike the show.
No this is another problem with Hollywood lately. They have bad morals and they put those morals on the screen and the IP and the audience is repulsed because we have morals. Captain America had to have those rewrites because they put out the poor morals and the audience said, no.
Star Wars is a franchise about MORALS! Good vs Evil! Selflessness vs Selfishness! Love vs Hate, forgiveness and redemption vs revenge and destruction. The Jedi are an objective GOOD the Sith are an objective EVIL! If you don't understand that, you do not understand Star Wars, PERIOD!
This entire show should have been called "A Series of Clownish Events", not Star Wars. lol
Thought the thumbnail said, "Elvis is good actually" instead of evil.
I saw someone say the reason Osha is able to change the saber color is bc she is acting out of anger, and the reason Anakin’s doesn’t change color because he is acting out of fear…
Yeah, bc Anakin wasn’t angry at all during the prequels.
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.”
I still don't understand how we're supposed to be convinced that OSHA is full of anger/rage when that's so opposite of what they actually show us through her behavior. She's so mild. Even Mae, though, doesn't convey hate/rage either (despite having trained in the dark side for, what, 17 years?). It would be hilarious if in The Phantom Menace, when Darth Maul opens the doors to face Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon on Naboo, he claws his hand out awkwardly and says "Attack me...with all your strength"
I feel like the writers at Disney will unironically label their own show #Deep. They’re trying to do what Keia did in Kotor2 but completely lack the skill and know how to do it.
Something that not many have brought up is that this whole show has been one big ol therapy session for headland. From injecting her experience as an assistant to one of Hollywoods most notorious sexual predators, to her familial relationship vis-à-vis Osha and Mae.
It is hilarious that we’re meant to empathise with Mae and Osha.. Amandla Stenberg is the weakest link in the entire show, yet she’s supposed to expertly navigate between the two characters she portrays. She can’t play any character, let alone two.
me thinks this: lesbian headlamp said she was bullied in school. me thinks she was bullied by star wars fans and NOW she is getting back at them by destroying SW, her and kathleen kennedy.
A show made by the former assistant of Harvey Weinshein is promoting that being evil is good and that the good people are bad... Well, I never saw that coming...🤨🤥😂
Disney neither understands the lore or the concept of good or evil
This sh tshow is not Star Wars. It is a show with an agenda, which can be summarized as: "Good is evil and evil is good".
It just does not care about the fans or if anybody is entertained. It just wants to teach that message and maybe even is for the creator some kind of psychological help session. She already said, that she was dreaming about a "good girl, bad guy" love story as teenager -- and thus, we all have to love it ...
And how original would that be ! I mean NO teenager, or even adult hetero woman ever dreamt of a somewhat "forbidden" relationship with a superhot bad guy . /s
As long as the Holiday Special exists, that statement can never be true.
It’s not just Star Wars it’s ALL media, rings of power, marvels scarlet witch and Star Wars. Apparently fighting the patriarchy involves embracing evil and opposing good.
While i don’t think the writing was the tightest writing Star Wars has ever had, I read the Acolyte as more of a cautionary tale. This show demonstrates the way, even 100 years before the prequels, that the Jedi are already being corrupted by the bureaucracy and political wiles of the Senate (I interpreted the so-called “evil” acts of the Jedi like covering up Sol’s death and such as trying to stay in good graces with the Senate).
I also think Mother Aniseya’s reference to the fall of the Jedi in the future because they are so bad at handling grief (though both cases of poorly handled grief should not have been Jedi by their rules but that’s besides the point) was less saying “the Jedi are evil and wrong” and more saying “the Jedi are flawed and I don’t want my children to grow up with them.”
Also, on Sol murdering Aniseya being portrayed as an evil thing: the Jedi kill many people that they perceive as a threat without being shown in that light. Why is that? Maybe this alternate pov is showing something about how the rest of the galaxy sees the Jedi (since we normally see the narrative on the side of the Jedi).
Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t think the end of the series felt like a victory for anyone. We’re supposed to mourn for Mae’s death (losing your memories is basically the equivalent of death) and Osha’s Fall to the dark side, but the writing is pretty subtle and I think they could’ve brought this sad tone to the surface.
Anyways, that’s my thoughts. Let’s discuss, I rlly want to hear others’ perspectives as well!!
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At the most bare minimum, i appreciate the TLJ effect this is having on so many youtube channels' popularity/exposure. Finding so many new ones to watch.
Theres more Harry Potter fan fic in the show than there is Star Wars fan fic. 😂
I've never seen a show that had less original ideas in my lifetime. She stole concepts, plot lines, characters and visual ideas from so many other existing films, shows and books that aren't even that old.
Someone read 'Steal like artist' and took it literally 🤦♀️
Not just spiteful. It was meta spiteful.
The show, the PR, the fake social media drama, the shills, the paid for / access media, the R&B videos.
This was all done in bad faith.
I mean, I've been wanting a Sith-focused story for ages but this is not how you do it.
The Acolyte isn't made for us, the creator's made it for themselves.
Thank you for pointing out that the writer is a bad person. True. Kids watch star wars movies. It's a series that sells toys. We must point out evil when it rears it's head.
I guess this explains why Leslie didn't seem to have a problem with Harvey Weinstein...
As far as Kennedy goes, I haven't decided if I think she hates Star Wars and George Lucas or if she thinks that she was given Lucasfilm to make "her Star Wars." What came before was George Lucas's Star Wars, and now that she's in charge, she's going to shape it into her own vision. "I'm in charge, so I can do with it what I want." It isn't that she hates Star Wars, she just wants to prove that her Star Wars can be just as good. Just a theory. Either way it sucks. To be fair, I don't think "everything" in canon sucks. It's just that far too much of it does, and it's made by people who either simply don't understand Star Wars or just want to co-opt the platform for their personal activist agendas. Regardless, Kennedy needs to be replaced by someone who actually gets it, and it might even be necessary for Disney to sell Licasfilm for there to be any meaningful hope.
Dave Filoni is definitely baffling, though. I used to hold him in high regard because he was a showrunner for The Clone Wars which kept a lot of the fandom engaged after the prequels, and he used to he one of the only people of telling good stories in this universe under Disney, but it seems like the more power and direct control he's been given, the less capable he seems to be able to wield that power. The question, however, is how much influence has he had on the creative direction of some of these various projects not directly made by him. I'm pretty sure a lot of these shows, including Acolyte, were already in production before he took his post (they were announced in 2020 or 2021 when Kennedy announced all if thise shows and movies at the Disney shareholders presentation, half of which still haven't come out and never will).
Bad news for the writers: Good will ultimately win over Evil. Very sad they’re promoting selfish desires over what is right and good.
“The wicked plots against the just, And gnashes at him with his teeth. The Lord laughs at him, For He sees that his day is coming.” Psalms 37:12-13
Reminds me of Glinda clapping back at the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz.
"Ha! Please, you have no power here. Now be gone before someone drops a house on YOU!"
11:30 Mind wipe was already a thing, it's a major plot point in Knights of The Old Republic
THANK YOU. She ruins her points when she is incorrect and says it with a correct tone. Same thing with the Kyber crystals bleeding. It was a thing in certain comics and wasn’t a thing in 2005
Evil is actually not good. And evil is good and good is evil is a lie
Nothing was still "intact" after TLJ. That misguided vanity piece damaged the saga beyond repair. After TLJ, I didn't care anymore whether the "Star Wars" label was stuck on poorly written propaganda nonsense or not. It had become just a label and did not stand for anything of interest to me anymore. So whether or not The Acoshyte is bad or really, really bad, does not concern me at all. It has nothing to do with "proper Star Wars", just like TLJ did not have anything to do with proper Star Wars. The difference is that it still mattered whether TLJ was rubbish or not and the fact that it did not turn everything on its head does not redeem it one little bit. I was deeply affected after TLJ because I had lost something I treasured. The Acoshyte's beating of a dead carcass does not upset me anymore than if some random person invented some fan fiction I didn't like and narrated it to people on a street corner. So what, it does not matter.
"A Series of Clownish Events" is a much better title for this show than The Acolyte.
#notmyStarWars
Also, be prepared for the sheeple out there to say you've got "internalized misogyny" or some such crap. How DARE you think for yourself and have your own opinions!
Mindwiping is from the EU games, not gonna say who or what the plot was but it's definitely not a new idea, however it's also shown as an unforgettable thing to do, something to be ashamed of, in the Original Lucas canon (EU), Before Disney.
Bruh I get what you want people to experience the game themselves, but come on. That game and the person in question is literally the video game equivalent of the Vader reveal everyone into Star Wars knows who you're talking about even if they never played it.
IIRC it took many experienced people to do the mindwipe. Yet it took one Sith apprentice to wipe a black woman's mind. 👀
Leslie Headlands extreme misunderstanding of KEY starwars elements isn't the only thing to blame, but it certainly is a significant one among the shows maaaannnny fatal flaws. Leslie seriously said that when she was young and watching starwars that she didnt understand the line about "Vader being SEDUCED by the dark side of the force". She said she didnt know what the word "seduced" meant. Then she got older and then it all made sense to her.... except she was completely wrong lol. She LITERALLY thinks "seduced by the dark side" is referring to a "sexual seduction". She actually said this. And sure enough its in the show. Qimir undressing and bathing with Osha watching, starring, leering at him. He says countless thinly veiled sexual innuendos to her. All to "sexually seduce" her to the dark side 😂. Its seriously painful to watch ...but as im sure we all know by now, its even worse than that. Turning on the disney audio scene description gives a narration that sounds like a trashy errotic novel that would have Fabio on the cover. The descriptions include, his glistening muscles, well toned back, the word throbbing tossed in for absolutely no reason and MUCH more that was too cringe for me to retain. Leslie Headland is a simpleton narcissist that should have NEVER been allowed anywhere near such a project...or within 500 feet of an elementary school. The idea that her horrendous script was greenlit with a budget of 180 million is sickening. Yeah, the show sucked, we all got some good laughs at these incompetent identity politics hires in yet another woke train wreck disaster. But...each time this happens it becomes a little bit less funny and at this point its starting to be just plain sad. Can you imagine all the excellent ideas and scripts from brilliant ppl that never even got the chance to pitch them because they didnt check ✅ the right boxes? This nonsense is destroying the entertainment industry and wreaking havoc in virtually every nook and cranny of our society. How far is this gonna go? How long can this possibly be sustained before the mistake is realized? Or not realized and everything begins to collapse? These questions... these arent so funny. 😕
If lightsabers automatically turned red when its user turns to the dark side, why didn't Anakin's lightsaber turn red while he was slaughtering younglings?
I wasn't expecting anything from the acolyte, I thought it would be a fart in the wind, I'm surprised to be, not exactly dissapointed-I expected nothing-but leaving it Offended by the blatant cult apoligia for the crazy witch cult, I was raised in a cult, and seeing this show go "how sad the cultists got stopped from abusing children" and framing them as good or missunderstood when they are just evil, this show actually makes me pissed off now
I'm glad you mentioned the way she interpreted being seduce to the dark side. I've seen a lot of creators talk about what a stupid comment that was, but no one I've heard has really seemed to catch that she really did think people turned to the dark side because that seduction, to her, is sexual. Sexuality has nothing to do with the force. It's like sbe equates the dark side with being open about and indulging in your sexuality or something. It's literally the most stupid take about the force that I've ever heard.
And don't apologize for calling her dumb. If the shoe fits... she could have avoided this by visiting wookieepedia once or twice to make sure she wasn't going to put something idiotic into her show. It's not that hard. I've read better fanfiction than anything in this show.
We're experiencing the repercussions of having a surplus of writers who are told Scorcese is good without understanding why. They tend to see evil more as a cosmetic choice than anything substantive.
As somebody who watched Star Wars in the seventies and eighties in the Movie Theatre and loved the Movies for what they were: Adventure Pew Pew Friendship-Family Spaceship go zoooooom and thus falling in love with it ( long sentence oh my) I can only say one thing: ''
Let Star Wars die and create something new!
Consequently; I encourage everyone to delve into their mind and create something NEW...do not get into the vitriol of weaponized ENTERTAINMENT..thank you!
This people bro... they know they are evil... there is no fucking way they do something like this and are like... no, we are not the bad guys bro.
I have to call out the action as well! I keep seeing people saying “it’s bad but the fight are the best we’ve ever seen” but the lightsabers look like plastic… and the wire work is terrible.
There is not a single redeeming factor in this show, not one.
Sol is a bad character, the actor did okay but his squidgames performance was amazing. Disney made him incompetent.
Leslie really heard seduced by the force and ran with it. Awful awful awful television
Remember the force is female shirt, this show is the culmination of that
I think Dave allowed it through because he wanted it to bomb.
Your description of Leslye's interpretation of Star Wars seems scarily accurate
The Acolyte was actually much worse than I thought it was initially because I watched a group that pointed out every inconsistentcy and out of character moment in the show which made me realise just how bad it got. Good god this doesn't even deserve to be called writing.
Lets not forget who she was personal assistant to for many years. I'm not surprised this women doesn't know right from wrong
Im very convinced that they had a number of sub plots that either got canned, or were even filmed but then cut for time.
Either that or this was legit written by AI. Like there are so many moments and dialogue bits that scream “there was supposed to be something here to explain this!”
Sucks we cant go on a date, sucks we cant find a comic shop to go to.
This must be one of those review-bombs everyone keeps talking about 😊
😂😂
We waiting for those articles to be written
She doesn't look like a Russian bot.
I think you have to treat this show as a reboot -- set in an alternative/mirror universe.
Remember, the whole "Bleeding a Kyber Crystal" thing was an addition after Disney bought Star Wars and threw out the EU (you know, only to cherry-pick what they thought looked neat, only to twist it to make their new stuff look better by comparison, but anyway). So not only did they retcon how red lightsabers work, but they retconned the existing retcon.
Anyway, can't wait for season two when Darth Plagius learns how to create life from the twins, thus stripping him of the thing he's best known for, to prop up the director's OCs...