CHASE DEFENSE: Prevent Most 3 Pointers And All Pick And Rolls!

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  • Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
  • Welcome to The Chase Defense, a new concept Coach Nick has developed to combat the rising offensive numbers we continue to see year over year. Let's face it - traditional defense by step sliding and choppy step close outs become more obsolete with each passing season. Eliminate all the frustration you have as a coach when your players get beat on close outs. Coach Nick sat down to devise something radical in an effort to be more effective against the two major modes of attack: the 3 point shot and the pick and roll. If you're a coach who wants to install this defense, Coach Nick will come and help. Email him here: coachnick@bballbreakdown.com
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Комментарии • 512

  • @kaya2357
    @kaya2357 Год назад +509

    Coach Nick is gonna get players to start shooting that running one-legged three to counter this.

    • @adora2423
      @adora2423 Год назад +71

      Lol imagine he creates a new radical defense then creates a new radical offense to counter his own defense

    • @talentkid234
      @talentkid234 Год назад +17

      I remember everyone freaking out seeing Harden practicing those shots and he never even implemented them in his offense

    • @DickiMoltisanti
      @DickiMoltisanti Год назад +3

      Luka hit one vs the clippers in the playoffs

    • @reubengermain9771
      @reubengermain9771 Год назад

      @@adora2423 It's an arms race!

    • @miggyalejandro
      @miggyalejandro Год назад +1

      If that's what it takes to beat the defense, then why not? Innovation is important.

  • @princemjbp695
    @princemjbp695 Год назад +167

    This is somewhat similar to Mattise Thybulle's defense. He goes to the side of his man rather than in front of him.

    • @Navvye
      @Navvye Год назад +6

      thats exactly what I was thinking!

    • @enterpassword3313
      @enterpassword3313 Год назад +4

      Lol coach did a vid on him, now hes trying to pretend he invented it smh

    • @captainobvious90
      @captainobvious90 Год назад +22

      @@enterpassword3313 dude literally started by saying he is taking from multiple sources, of course he is not serious on that statement

    • @enterpassword3313
      @enterpassword3313 Год назад +3

      @@captainobvious90 i invented this new drink, i call it lemonade

    • @LuDux
      @LuDux Год назад

      @@enterpassword3313 Lemonade was popular drink and it still is (I got more props and stunts than Kariniauskas)

  • @deiondre0
    @deiondre0 Год назад +357

    This is actually interesting but I feel like it would be easily exploited by point guards with a short-to-mid range floater (Shai, Trae, Ja, Fox, etc)
    Edit: Then again, Trae is the only one among them who is an elite shooter so you probably wouldnt run this defense against the others

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  Год назад +288

      THat is the whole point! Let the team take as many midrange jumpers and floaters as they like with a hand up in their face

    • @reubengermain9771
      @reubengermain9771 Год назад +61

      It's on the side of analytics . Give up higher shot expected value for lower. Like from 1.1-1.3 down to 0.6 -0.8 Not to be used against the KDs or DeRozans however.

    • @sheed321
      @sheed321 Год назад +21

      The point is the eliminate PnR and 3s

    • @iri101
      @iri101 Год назад +41

      trae young played against the heat zone in 22'. He got massacred because he couldn't do anything.

    • @d3olinsky
      @d3olinsky Год назад +6

      poor shooting PGs also have picks set for them. this scheme eliminates that option regardless on shooting skills.

  • @reubengermain9771
    @reubengermain9771 Год назад +123

    Respect Coach Nick, this is wild, I have to digest this. The visibility up top, what can I say, I love this!

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  Год назад +18

      I know right! the top guard gets to see everything

    • @Time_Lapse_Master.
      @Time_Lapse_Master. Год назад

      ​@@bballbreakdownJust wondering, what's stopping a big to set a screen near the FT line for a cutter and an easy Alley-Oop pass for the PG who has every delivery angle possible?

    • @Time_Lapse_Master.
      @Time_Lapse_Master. Год назад +1

      ​@@bballbreakdownIn the frame 1:18, couldn't player 2 pass it to player 1 who just drives in while player 5 sets a screen for player 2 towards the corner for an open 3, and basically do this every time there's a 1v2 near a corner where one sets a screen for a shooter resulting in a 40% short corner 3?

    • @thecanmanification
      @thecanmanification Год назад

      If you’re a young player you should learn to read games from the sideline, so when you get subbed in you know what’s going on lol

  • @pipohemm8726
    @pipohemm8726 Год назад +86

    Yeah, the first thing I immediately thought about was the Jazz 2019 vs Harden. This actually kind of worked back then. Took away the step back and good luck taking a floater with 7'2 Gobert right in front of you and your defender breathing down your neck. You obviously cant run this all game but similar to how the heat implement a zone from time to time so could this tactic be used to throw teams off

    • @TheNamesDitto
      @TheNamesDitto Год назад +9

      And honestly, floaters are more inefficient than actual middies so you win the possession if they shoot floaters

    • @Fidel_cashflo
      @Fidel_cashflo Год назад

      And then they did it against the Clippers and had the greatest choke job of all time

    • @pipohemm8726
      @pipohemm8726 Год назад

      @@Fidel_cashflo when did the Jazz do this against the Clippers? You dont need to guard the clippers this way, they arent heavy on pnr, they dont have a Harden or Luka. George and Leonard should rather be guarded as the Heat did to Brown and Tatum

    • @Fidel_cashflo
      @Fidel_cashflo Год назад +5

      @@pipohemm8726 I’m talking about the 2021 series where they blew a 30 pt lead in game 6. Jazz were way over reliant on funneling things to Rudy and offering zero resistance at point of attack. Putting 5 shooters/dribblers on the court made the whole thing collapse

    • @thesonofwill22
      @thesonofwill22 8 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah credit to the rockets who mostly beat it by tossing lobs to a waiting Clint capela on the weak side as gobert helped onto harden, not by harden scoring 50 night. So unless the team you are playing has an elite passer and dunker you’d be pretty much stuck taking tough shots.

  • @michaelgill6076
    @michaelgill6076 10 месяцев назад +1

    Fantastic. Been experimenting with concepts like this for 25 years now. Evolution to be behind, with wings backs to sideline is a cheat code.

  • @kashkabandian6254
    @kashkabandian6254 Год назад +151

    I'd love to see the whole video of the game where they tried this defense. Looks interesting

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  Год назад +66

      He ran it on 5 possessions - no points. I'm doing my best to get him to integrate it further for the upcoming season...

    • @talentkid234
      @talentkid234 Год назад +7

      @@bballbreakdownYou should be coaching! What the heck?!?!

    • @harryli5979
      @harryli5979 Год назад +4

      I could see the raptors running this if nick nurse was still the coach

    • @kashkabandian6254
      @kashkabandian6254 Год назад +2

      @@bballbreakdown why did they stop after 5 possessions?! it would be so cool to see the other team look so confident at first thinking they had one man beat only to end up confused as to why they always "beat" the on ball defender but can't score lol

    • @dfjr1990
      @dfjr1990 Год назад

      The problem is these players are not NBA level at all

  • @bruh8285
    @bruh8285 Год назад +3

    coach, the legendary obradovic has 'the next man' defensive strategy that might be similar to this, it's also based on constant switches on the perimeter, forcing players to go one way on closeouts, would rhighly recommend checking it out. He did it with Fenerbahce in 2018 very well.

    • @fathersdayclub
      @fathersdayclub 6 месяцев назад

      I use the next scheme because it doesn't give up the straight line drive option and send ball to the side of the floor where we can scramble and contain it better.

  • @rafaawa
    @rafaawa Год назад +7

    I instantly thought about Manu’s block to Harden from behind! Great idea to try coach.

    • @crassbusinessman3122
      @crassbusinessman3122 3 месяца назад

      I'm always thinking about Manu's block on Harden. It's like one of my favorite moments in sports history XD

  • @acepiston5552
    @acepiston5552 Год назад +13

    This is pretty brilliant and innovative. I love how unorthodox it is. Players get so used to seeing patterns that they know how to exploit them, especially with how skilled they are these days. I’ve never even seen a defense this extreme (other than Grinnel College). Unfortunately, lots of coaches are so set in their ways that they might be a bit closed minded to it.

  • @gerarda8926
    @gerarda8926 Год назад +15

    Reminds me of the Raptors’ defensive scheme the past few years. Nurse had them chasing guys off the line and playing defense from behind. However, it did lead to a lot of overhelping - ironically leading to a lot of wide open threes. Cardio was also a big issue, I can see that also being an issue with this scheme you showed. The innovation is great though!

    • @QGfk1
      @QGfk1 Год назад +2

      yeah, the vast majority of good 3s are not off the dribble so you're just inviting paint penetration to collapse the defense and lead to a wide open shot or a dunk. apart from the pull up 3, which very few guys are actually efficient at shooting off a ball screen, you're just giving them the advantage of getting a step ahead of your man that the pnr is designed to do. a few people brought up thybulle and even with his 1 in a billion freak hands and athleticism his poking from behind style causes a lot of breakdowns

  • @joshurl5651
    @joshurl5651 Год назад +2

    I really appreciate the creative problem solving approach here. I look forward to seeing more tape on this defense and how it holds up.

  • @ryantristani5091
    @ryantristani5091 Год назад +2

    A couple offensive counter ideas.
    1. You just set up a give and go play for whoever started the play as the PNR ball-handler, it’ll be easier to cut since their defender is already behind them.
    2. A mid-range shot drifting left or right, like towards the wings (like the shots you see from Chris Paul a lot). This would put the defender at your side, giving you an open look.
    3. Might be hard to pull off, but find a way to quickly get back behind the defender. A side-step into a step-back or something similar may work. If you could manage to do this, it would be an open look every time as there is no way a defender would be able to turn their hips a full 180 degrees in time to get a good hand up.
    4. A backwards PNR. Have a screen set on the defender and instead of the ball-handler working their way forward around the screen, have them go backwards. This one would be difficult to coordinate and it would also be difficult to set-up the screen in a way where the defender wouldn’t notice it.

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  Год назад

      Number 4 is hilarious and I’m not sure what the strategic value is. Number 2 is the exact goal of this defense

    • @aaronwin33
      @aaronwin33 4 месяца назад

      ​@@bballbreakdownor even easier, instead of shooting a side step mid range jumper just shoot a side step 3 pointer away from the defender. Like the ones harden/luka/curry always take, except instead of stepping back just gather step then hop to the side

  • @banbiossa
    @banbiossa Год назад +4

    I love the closeout with the chase defense. It looks much more natural and disruptive.

  • @oxfordbambooshootify
    @oxfordbambooshootify Год назад +65

    What's stopping an elite shooter from just stopping on a dime and rising up for the shot to bait fouls from the defender that's chasing him?

    • @JohnTonyan
      @JohnTonyan Год назад +26

      Nothing, you’ve already won as a coach if you’ve prompted the other team to start hunting fouls by taking wildly unhinged long 2s

    • @oxfordbambooshootify
      @oxfordbambooshootify Год назад +6

      @@JohnTonyan 3s not 2s. Imagine Trae young or steph curry playing against this type of defense. They'd be scoring 20 points a night off of free throws alone

    • @arcticbulktoaster348
      @arcticbulktoaster348 Год назад +2

      @@oxfordbambooshootify if your x1 keeps getting baited for this he shouldn't be your x1. i'll take a disturbed from behind hunting for a foul 3 from any star any day. their usual shots are already hard to stop.

    • @oxfordbambooshootify
      @oxfordbambooshootify Год назад +8

      @@arcticbulktoaster348 that makes no sense. On a high school or collegiate level this scheme may be effective but I don't see it being as productive at the NBA level. You're just going to end up with your players in constant foul trouble and putting the opponents in the bonus and giving the opponents best shooters tons of free throws per game

    • @Fidel_cashflo
      @Fidel_cashflo Год назад +1

      Yeah this idea is pretty dumb and unoriginal. It’s what the Jazz did for years, so many ways to exploit

  • @monieschonies3367
    @monieschonies3367 Год назад +12

    Hi, Coach. Quick question. So if in a traditional pick and roll, some coaches have stated as a ball handler, take the screen and put the defender "in your back pocket" as you run through the motion. From there, you attack the basket with your roll man, the option being yours to pass or keep. With this defense, wouldn't this be even easier to accomplish as you're removing the screen mechanic? I assume regardless if whether the defender is in front or behind the ball, the screener can still approach the ball then roll towards the basket with the handler attacking (since his man is behind him) and execute the same way? Or is this more geared to driving great 3 point shooters off the line because I can definitely see that.

    • @talentkid234
      @talentkid234 Год назад +2

      That would only work well man to man. That’s why he is also implementing zone defense so every defender has a position they stay at.

  • @TheCaptainBlast
    @TheCaptainBlast Год назад +3

    I’ve been thinking a point zone defense is the next evolution of defense, but the chasing is a whole new level.

  • @splashgod2509
    @splashgod2509 Год назад +31

    We saw the Lakers do this to the Warriors when they top locked shooters and funneled Steph/Klay/Poole into Anthony Davis.

    • @YunisRajab
      @YunisRajab Год назад +5

      Yep most I've seen the splash brothers effectively slowed down

    • @matty7106
      @matty7106 Год назад +5

      I was thinking the same thing. So Kerr now has film of this and hopefully (as a Dubs fan) is coming up with better counters. But I thought this defense was brilliant at the time and would love to see more teams run it. Basketball is getting a little repetitive nowadays.

    • @travisjohnson6703
      @travisjohnson6703 Год назад +4

      I'm not really afraid of this, but for other teams they don't have an AD caliber defender to lock the paint the same. Although using that chase defense would remove the methods Kerr used to pull AD out given off ball screens and on ball screens wouldn't do the job anymore.

    • @starkk19
      @starkk19 Год назад

      @@travisjohnson6703 I thinked it worked really well because it was AD that was in the paint. He can affect any shot inside the paint, but also still agile enough to actually switch on to Curry in the perimeter as a failsafe. Even Gobert, I think would not have done so well.

  • @peteryu9866
    @peteryu9866 Год назад

    Scottie talked about this when he spoke on how to guard Harden.. Years ago.. Trailing behind the offensive player to deny the shot and force movement..

  • @talentkid234
    @talentkid234 Год назад +1

    I remember Ricky Rubio doing this to Harden during that stint when he was averaging 40+ points on the rockets

  • @iri101
    @iri101 Год назад +9

    From watching your video, It seems like the heat zone has a lot of principals that your defense purposes.
    I would love a revisit of the most recent nba finals to see what joker/Murray pick and roll did against it.

    • @fullcourtball
      @fullcourtball Год назад

      It would be interesting to see...though that duo is probably one of the most difficult pick and roll/pop duo to defend ever, if not the best. Don't think this defense really applies in that specific situation...those two have too many offensive options in their arsenal :)

    • @lancemacmillan
      @lancemacmillan Год назад

      Yeah, I was going to say this would have to be personnel specific...but any defense would be anyway. To sit behind Jokic and deny him the three and 'force' him to pass to a cutter or rumble to the basket for a floater...(shudders 😮) ...Miami is going to have PTSD about that for years!

  • @crassbusinessman3122
    @crassbusinessman3122 3 месяца назад

    Coach, I absolutely LOVE thinking outside the box with concepts like this. Craftiness is a skill that us shorter, less athletic players need to bridge the gap. But my question is, couldn't a player who is substantially longer/faster blast right by, leaving the defender out it no man's land?

  • @Duly_bomaye
    @Duly_bomaye Год назад +1

    Interesting. Definitely a scheme towards a team with that specific strength which is a lot of teams now. I could definitely see this creating big stops/momentum swings if used strategically.

  • @rodojeda96
    @rodojeda96 Год назад +1

    I'll tell you exactly to beat this: you get the pass, let the defending player settle behind you, but you don't rush into a drive, leading to a long 2 or an uncontrolled drive into the paint defender with the worry of the not visible player behind you... instead you feel where the defender is, move to cut them off from the basket as much as possible (this is called putting them "in jail"). Then you choose when you attack. You can take a big step up to the three point like and shot the 3 right away... you can be more measured and head to the paint to pull a second defender and kick out, or you can just see a lane (say you have some kind of speed or size advantage) and really attack fast, trying to beat the second defender/ get to the rack before the defender behind you can catch up to cause trouble. The key to this is that instead of being rushed, and then having your options limited/ getting exposed to turnovers because you don't know how close the "wolf" behind you is, you take a second to feel him out, push him back a bit, maybe pick a side if he's playing you more to one side, and then you strike. That way you automatically get a step or two in front of him, and thats all you need. At that point attacking this defense isn't much different than attacking a traditional D after you have beaten your perimeter defender pretty badly. QED.
    To be fair though, the principles of this are so interesting, you could use them opportunistically at times, and even implement it as a kind of gimmick scheme to surprise teams or deal with particular players. It's still mind-blowing. Thank you Coach Nick, I would give you buckets though.

  • @JC-ch7lr
    @JC-ch7lr Год назад +3

    We ran this in highschool as a matchup zone only difference we overplayed to keep the ball out of the middle and to one side of the court....teams were confused and we knew we had them when they tried to run their man to man offense vs this zone.

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  Год назад +1

      Love it.. any video footage??

    • @AiirxGeordan
      @AiirxGeordan Год назад

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@bballbreakdownsouthern Miss Men’s basketball runs a matchup zone not too different from what he’s describing other than the keep it from the middle.

  • @dacowthebol9325
    @dacowthebol9325 Год назад +1

    I did this in high school and always knew it was better, but my coach and peers saw it as a lazy defense. They believed taking pride in guarding your man one-on-one, no matter the outcome, was more important than winning with a new strategy like the one you experiment and implement.
    Great job coach! Very innovative!

  • @david_lam1666
    @david_lam1666 Год назад +4

    wouldn't the chase on the wings provide the guards easy middle-penetration?

  • @afrohawk
    @afrohawk Год назад +1

    So, basically create a 5 v 4 in the halfcourt and chase from behind. That's cool. Definitely need a good rim protector and good rotation off ball to on ball on passes. Totally agree with chopping feet to closeouts. I think that's completely wrong and should not be coached. I always liked stabbing one foot or the other on closeout and effectively declaring a side, even the power hand side. The most important thing about defense is to eliminate options by forcing a choice on the offensive player instantly so that you don't have to guess about what's coming next. I never minded trailing the offensive player a half step because he still has to gather the ball before shooting and that half step can be made up then. Nice video and definitely an interesting concept.

  • @stephencheney9811
    @stephencheney9811 Год назад

    As chaotic as it looks, it would make college games more fun to watch. They just pass it around the 3 point line for 20 seconds of the possession.

  • @povang4474
    @povang4474 Год назад +1

    Watch Steve Kerr implement this defense this upcoming season. Kerr did admit to watching coach nick n only coach nick in a past interview, but that was 10 years ago. Still coach nick got Kerr for an interview

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  Год назад +2

      Oh, he said the same thing in the interview I just dropped 2 weeks ago!!

  • @grapplerke
    @grapplerke Год назад +5

    I feel this gives up 3pt shooting to knockdown shooters who are role players and strong finishers in the dunker spots. I think this is definitely worth doing at the high school level and even college.

    • @bsn0730
      @bsn0730 Год назад +1

      Yeah watching some of those plays, it looks like if you have a guy with a quick trigger in the right spot (alley oop finisher, corner marksman) and even just a decent passer, you could get some really high quality shots. I bet it'd be a great disruptive call for defense though if you switched to it suddenly a few times a game like how the heat would break out their zone coverage in spots over the last few seasons

    • @grapplerke
      @grapplerke Год назад

      @@bsn0730 Yeah I can’t imagine playing like this for the majority of the game against good teams with good ball handlers, shooters and passers. Definitely a good disruptor at any level without a doubt though.

  • @willhooke
    @willhooke Год назад +49

    I remember Kobe saying to guard Steph from the side
    And Steph struggled
    Very interesting progression Coach Nick 👏🏻

  • @LEBATO
    @LEBATO Год назад

    Interesting but even with those guys at the gym, they had a bunch of open *corner* threes and give and go opportunities that I just feel elite level teams (NBA, some FIBA) would destroy. Like other defenses, I think it's probably a good one to try for a few minutes and once they figure it out, switch it up.

  • @WatchingLakersBasketball
    @WatchingLakersBasketball Год назад +2

    This is nice im going to use this in the new 2k, NBA2K24 and use it against Playstation players.

  • @candorsspot2775
    @candorsspot2775 Год назад

    NBA coaches watch this channel. Fully expect to see this implented next season! Love your channel coach Nick!

  • @shannonhall4871
    @shannonhall4871 Год назад +1

    you should set out to design an offence to beat your new defence, like work out how to get an open 3 against this defence.

  • @Chris.Tamayo
    @Chris.Tamayo Год назад +2

    This is probably a stupid question but what’s stopping me from putting the defender in jail since there already behind me then making the big commit to my drive or shot then dumping it off or lobbing it to my big in the paint and If they don’t commit (the big) I can either pull up fast for a foul since I’m running full speed and there on my back with all there momentum

    • @Kodreanu23
      @Kodreanu23 Год назад +1

      I agree with the question. Nick's philosophy is let them have floaters all they, that's inefficient shot, but what about lob game, that is very efficient

    • @Chris.Tamayo
      @Chris.Tamayo Год назад

      @@Kodreanu23 I watched the defense a little more to try to understand it I think (I could be totally wrong though) that since the defender is behind you he might really be able to actually get a deflection on your lob especially if he’s tall and lanky because he would probably be expecting it obviously against 6 foot casual ymca players that’s not happening but against a 6’7 lanky defender pretty sure he can pull it off thus negating this strategy im a point guard and I’m 6 feet tall and consider myself a capable ball handler but when there’s a guy with a 7 foot wingspan behind you it’s hard to play at your usual pace

  • @TheMacThat
    @TheMacThat Год назад +1

    Five defenders looking at the ball and using the sidelines as extra defenders opens up the fluidity of the defense. Would love to see what coach Spo thinks of this, lol.

  • @jesser6423
    @jesser6423 5 месяцев назад

    Is there any follow up to this? Would love to see how it has been implemented. Love radical ideas!

  • @phil9461
    @phil9461 Год назад

    Coach Nick - Always love the videos! Learning the Xs and Os in 🏀 and sports in general is always dope. With that said…the first thing that came to my mind was if I were the opposing coach on offense, how would I counter this? Ideally you could still dare the defense with a screen on that trailing defender who’s chasing from behind. In that window..the guard/ball handler would raise up for a mid range or 3. And if any of the help defenders bite, the play becomes a simple kick to the wings or baseline cut to the basket.

  • @AndreZamudio
    @AndreZamudio Год назад +3

    I love this new concept, definitely gonna start implementing it with my team 👍

  • @shakiid7
    @shakiid7 Год назад

    lol when u said "what if we just eliminated the PNR altogether by getting behind the guy with the ball?", my head just immediately went to that clip where gilbert arenas talks about how sorry rubio looked as a defender tryna guard james harden this exact same way.
    these type of strategies only work on players who lack the abilities to adapt to the multiple speeds of the game. this is mostly just creating a chaotic environment for the opposing team to run they normal offense but it's not stopping an elite scorer who's not afraid of contact and has the ability to score either from midrange or the three, you'll just get embarrassed that night

  • @jovar7545
    @jovar7545 9 месяцев назад

    this is crazy. Thanks for the innovation!

  • @chiggsytube
    @chiggsytube Год назад

    We want the offense, it's that simple. Defense today is so much more cerebral, done right it is beautiful to watch.

  • @andrewdorie4010
    @andrewdorie4010 Год назад

    Coach, would love to see you breakdown Paul Westhead’s coaching with the Lakers vs Riley’s coaching? Maybe even compare the way he used the system with the Lakers vs his other coaching jobs.

  • @timl998
    @timl998 Год назад

    I always go behind or to the side when I know they take forever and dribble too much or if they can't drive. Then I get the ball back when they miss

  • @kingkettle2748
    @kingkettle2748 Год назад

    My question is what about off ball screens involving forward and off ball guard and even forward and center away from the ball drawing the zone away from the ball handler and allowing for easier penetration and kicks back out

  • @Scoots1994
    @Scoots1994 Год назад

    I saw this in spots over the last few years being used here or there. One advantage of the closeout to get behind a player it means body momentum is away from the offensive player and may cut down on this ticky tack fouls on closeouts. When the refs know the scheme is to go by the offensive player then the offensive player moving in front of the moving defender is more likely to be a non-call.

  • @emmanuelvolquez2975
    @emmanuelvolquez2975 Год назад +8

    Using this combined with other zone concepts that allow the players to transition from different defensive sets it’s actually top notch.
    But if used repeatedly, as most sets in basketball, it’s exploitable

    • @chanachon56
      @chanachon56 Год назад +6

      Yeah this is basically a more aggressive version of a 1-3-1 zone. Used to run it with my summer team before the pandemic hit and we got mauled with off ball screens and back cuts. In my experience it works best in short spurts of a game to disrupt an opposing team's scoring run, but if you use it as your main defense, smart players will be able to counter it.

    • @Fidel_cashflo
      @Fidel_cashflo Год назад +1

      Yes look at what the Clippers were able to do to the Jazz with 5 out. Drive, kick, and get a full head of steam at the rim protector

  • @JSFrederic
    @JSFrederic Год назад

    interesting how in the past, where slashing/cutting is more "popular", offense put their defender in prison (behind them) is the way to go, but now its seems like totally different.

  • @michaelrushing4365
    @michaelrushing4365 27 дней назад

    Selectively use the chase against players who can only shoot 3’s and who don’t have good midrange. While training the other defenders to play ball denial. It could work great against the right opponent.

  • @MikeTheNBAGuy
    @MikeTheNBAGuy Год назад

    This is a neat concept but it looks like it should immediately fall apart if the offensive 5 just cuts to thr basket as his own man is forced to step up in the drop coverage

  • @vincenttsoi0524
    @vincenttsoi0524 Год назад

    With a guard that knows how to hold their defenders with their back ( someone like dragic used to do this very well) could prob exploit the set quite a bit 😯

  • @maartenvz
    @maartenvz Год назад +1

    Amazing combination of proven ideas. At first i was sceptical: Houston smoked the jazz in that series. Then i checked the stats: both harden and Paul had a lot turnovers. But the jazz shot 26% from three while Mitchell was 32% overall, no wonder they lost badly.
    My initial idea to counter this is to have a shooter relocate behind the ballhandler, this would create a 4 on 3 for the ballhandler. However the trail defender on ball could close out to the shooter. Man this is interesting!

  • @Omnis2
    @Omnis2 Год назад

    Coach Nick's defense makes opposing teams watch a video sponsor ad until the shot clock runs out.

  • @usafo6546
    @usafo6546 11 месяцев назад

    In the circle of life, this would bring the game back to inside-out, instead of outside-in. If this works, in the NBA, the big man will, once again, become dominant, as the offense will need a post up terror, to force double teams, for open outside looks

  • @lon_1023
    @lon_1023 Год назад

    Feel like only super long range shooter can play against this effectively. It’s really hard to use this if the offense player is 2 steps behind the 3 pt line. But there are only that few players can shoot like that. Sounds fun and workable especially in lower level of basketball

  • @nickyfresh12
    @nickyfresh12 Год назад

    Love the bravery to implement something like this. I've enjoyed your videos ever since I realized I shot the ball better with a turn instead of square.

  • @arizcedieisales3391
    @arizcedieisales3391 Год назад

    It is also a 2K defense where most guards three hunts. And as a lock you gotta go over the screen and hip ride from the sides

  • @pugshugs2870
    @pugshugs2870 Год назад +1

    I’m not going to dislike out of respect for all your previous content.

  • @elanzankman4399
    @elanzankman4399 Год назад

    The most interesting part of this idea is the closeouts, because you can close out way more aggressively if you're not worried about staying in front of your man. That would take away a lot of catch-and-shoot threes, which is a cool idea, but then the shooter can just take one dribble inside the arc and pull up for a wide open 18-footer. "But that's the shot you want them to take!" Maybe in high school, but NBA players will knock down that shot every single time if you give it to them.

  • @YvngGoat_
    @YvngGoat_ Год назад +3

    I actually really like this defensive concept

  • @edvincentiiialbano8890
    @edvincentiiialbano8890 Год назад

    Coach, I hope we could see a video of modern pnr offenses trying to score on this defense instead of just a probing offense.

  • @Bojeezy
    @Bojeezy Год назад

    I feel like a lot of teams implement a similar defense already. I could be wrong.
    It is almost like a matador defense but with the a center like AD getting the guards to funnel into him.

  • @studyofhoops
    @studyofhoops Год назад

    This is similar to some of the concepts of what Murcia in Spain runs. Obviously they don't stand directly behind, but their idea is that the 5 man protects the paint and everyone else puts as much pressure as possible to funnel the ball into their 5 man. They play super physical, take on some unconventional positions, and use scouting to force the more talented players on the other team into uncomfortable situations. Similar to what you're explaining here.

  • @chrisneukum9542
    @chrisneukum9542 Год назад

    i actually tend to always front a big man in pick up and almost prefer to guard from behind/side. its like that video on the unorthodox nba player who does chase defense.

  • @luizsalazar87
    @luizsalazar87 Год назад

    Definitely looks disruptive on the perimeter and forces more players to be passers and drivers.
    Would like to see it implemented in a collegiate or NBA game extensively.
    Seems like you would need an athletic big that could challenge the middys while also being fleet of foot enough to stick with driving guards.
    If a guard is playing behind the ball then a big is forced to step up, leaving at best a SF to guard the paint as most teams only play one true big. At 5:11 a lob to an athletic big looks open or even if the guard throws a brick the putback is there for the blue shirt player under the rim.

  • @KrazyDom
    @KrazyDom Год назад

    Any defense can be scored on. I feel if you have joker in the post and put more of his guys on one side it’ll negate the zone

  • @courtneysheffield5686
    @courtneysheffield5686 Год назад

    I think this can be beaten with crisp passing and quick shooting. However I think it could work even in the NBA. Impressive.

  • @JADiaz10
    @JADiaz10 Год назад

    It’s really hard to do this because drawing a foul is quite easy of you’re an NBA level athlete. I’ve seen Jimmy Butler draw fouls from behind by quickly pulling up and the defender would brush him in the back for a foul. It’s doable if you work at it and stay mindful that any moment the dribbler might abruptly stop. But it’s hard cause you might stay too mindful and then they’ll proceed to drive thru the lane and leave you dusted.

  • @flipsolo
    @flipsolo Год назад

    A clickbait that actually blew my mind away. Definitely changed my perspective! I love this game is always evolving.

  • @grizz_fan3243
    @grizz_fan3243 Год назад +1

    Coach, you should get some practice jerseys so it's easier to see the teams

  • @gavinmacaonghusa8122
    @gavinmacaonghusa8122 Год назад

    I think this chase defence could really suit someone like matisse thy ulle who already often defends from behind the ball with chaos and deflections

  • @nicolasmenendezsarries6786
    @nicolasmenendezsarries6786 Год назад +1

    Maybe you're underestimating the explosiveness of NBA players once the defenders are behind.

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  Год назад

      How so? We see this in drop coverage all the time

  • @gamingcentral1252
    @gamingcentral1252 Год назад

    I’m going into my senior year and we ran a very similar version of this, with the main point forcing the offense left. In theory this works, but we were not good enough at it, not smart enough/to dumb to understand the principles. We got burned whenever we used it.However I could see this working well with a smart team that is athletic.

  • @shakel32
    @shakel32 Год назад

    What I would like to examine is how many corner 3s you're letting them, and then apply the average %of that shot against the number of shots you're allowed. It seemed to me this D is like a crazy 1-3-1 which would be easily punished by Euroleague level and most definitely NBA level, but of course it's hard to tell with so little footage.

  • @steverliu1886
    @steverliu1886 Год назад

    id like to see what happens when the offense runs more backdoor cuts and give and go's. It looks like those cuts are more available against this defense. That being said, those become layups challenged by help defense rather than 3's.

  • @RuinAngel
    @RuinAngel Год назад

    Doesn't this mean the ball handler is given middle penetration and a 2 on 1 over the help D? But it sure eliminates the 3s. It may be worth it if the interior D can prevent easy lobs or high percentage shots.

  • @mic677
    @mic677 Год назад

    This D does open more midrange, but I would love to see this go against PnR offense instead of drive and kick.

  • @MochaeMoepfli
    @MochaeMoepfli Год назад

    Rubio tried this with Harden too. He was laughed at.
    I do it too but mainly because the young guns are faster than me.

  • @airborne_seal
    @airborne_seal Год назад

    The one flaw I see is that the corner players in the offense are quite stagnant in these scrimmages. I feel like this defense would be easily broken down by a simple back door cut from almost any player as it allows an easy pass and then either the finish, lob or kick-out to opposite corner / wing. That would put the defense in scramble mode and potentially cause some missed rotations but if coached properly it would definitely limit the PnR offense. Another potential flaw would be how a PnP would likely cause switches and allow the guards to drive, pass out, relocate back to their original spot and then get the ball back to then isolate against the big. I could see guys like Fox, Lillard, Steph, Lavine, Harden, Edwards, etc. taking advantage of their dribble drive abilities and give themselves a 12sec iso from the wing. That being said, there is no such thing as a perfect defense, and you have to give up something no matter what scheme you run, so I’m not trying to discredit the defense. This would stop the PnR effectiveness but would likely allow more corner 3s and back-door cuts, imo.

  • @liogomez9178
    @liogomez9178 Год назад

    Looks like a box and 1 but with a player chasing instead of being in front. Nice

  • @zackthomas1031
    @zackthomas1031 Год назад +2

    I see Curry and others like him get guys on their back like that on purpose and absolutely destroy them

  • @jasonnitz2078
    @jasonnitz2078 Год назад

    I've run this since 2014 on my son's AAU team. It works great, but you need an athletic 4.

  • @jarrettborkowski8658
    @jarrettborkowski8658 Год назад

    I love this idea. It’s basically forcing an offense to play inside the perimeter. If you do that and defend the post/interior well enough, teams are going to be forced to put up a midrange shot, which we all know is the worst shot in terms of points per possession in the game.

  • @migsignacio
    @migsignacio Год назад

    This works crazy good, but it takes a lot of stamina and only really works if you have an elite rim protector!

    • @migsignacio
      @migsignacio Год назад

      This defense is bad against quick transition paced or "run and gun" offense too

  • @castrobonomo
    @castrobonomo Год назад +1

    Hey Coach, can you do a breakdown of the Philippines during the FIBA WC 2023? How they play offense and defense, good and bad. HC Chot Reyes is being crucified right now on social media because of our poor performance. Just to see if it's really his fault.

  • @juliusctw
    @juliusctw Год назад

    I feel like this would only work if you have a long team. I disagree letting them take 2s floater would work in the long run. But interested in seeing how it will work in practice.

  • @WammyGiveaway
    @WammyGiveaway Год назад

    Bigger question: which NBA team do you see needing this defense the most to the point it can win them a title?
    Can I make a suggestion: make the 5 morph. There are players who can play both forward and center positions; I call these hybrid players cent-wards. At points in your defense, depending on opponent, have the 4 tag with a 5 so that the 4 is now restricted to the paint and the 5 pairs with the 1 or 2. Best time to deploy the switch would be while the offensive point guard is setting up a play from near half court. Wonder if you could switch as the play is being carried out. Idea here is that offense thinks center is still anchoring the paint, but as they get ready for the score, lo and behold its a much more athletic power forward patrolling the paint instead, hence the "morph". Keep the center relatively close to the paint for an emergency switch when need be, and maybe you got something.

  • @GT234LIFE
    @GT234LIFE Год назад

    I like this concept, I remember the Lakers did something close to this to the Rockets in the playoffs, similar to the Jazz

  • @Verti_go
    @Verti_go Год назад

    I could only see this working for a spot play every once in a while at Best a real shooter is shooting if that front guy drops even a little regardless of the guy he knows is behind him

  • @Greenfrom3
    @Greenfrom3 Год назад

    Ok maybe. As a former high scoring wing player though (about 25 per game in highschool) I loved getting blowbyes and being in a 1v1 situation with bigs. Especially if they are a few feet from the basket. I Euro step that help defender all day long.
    Now that said, i havent finished this video yet, so I may take this back.

  • @wayneerichsen
    @wayneerichsen Год назад

    Wow, just wow. We will Def see this in the near future, I just hope that you get some credit.

  • @1991brytt
    @1991brytt Год назад

    If I’m not mistaken don’t teams do this already to certain players and it works but gets countered by a high arching shot and/or floater? I’m positive I see this used on Trae a lot

  • @LaMar34_34
    @LaMar34_34 Год назад

    Man’s about to just give up straight drive lay ups trying to stop the pick and roll

  • @nickfisher8569
    @nickfisher8569 Год назад

    The only problem I could see is with some guards that are pump fake artists. If you jump into them from behind, they just have to go straight up and it’s a foul

  • @roberthickey4201
    @roberthickey4201 10 месяцев назад +1

    Your 5 is going to get in foul trouble and if you youre undersized at the 5 it will be a problem. Guards will attack and finish over them.

  • @salvadorteran5181
    @salvadorteran5181 Год назад

    I remember Scottie Pippen trying to explain this concept when T-Mac asked him how he would defend James Harden

  • @3xtrey421
    @3xtrey421 Год назад

    (1/2) This will definitely Separate the Regular dribblers from the elite . If you can master the crab dribble like Harden and Kyrie did this can exploit someone being one pass behind . I do the how the players on the wings are guarding but I keep seeing this getting exposed by an off ball screen .

  • @PROA55
    @PROA55 Год назад

    This is basically Mattise Thybulle defense, and if you don't believe me look up thinking basketball's analysis on him