The "dribbling" cheat code taking over the NBA
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2023
- There are many names for it, but one of the most powerful actions in basketball involves pausing the dribbling, chasing a pass and restarting it again. This detailed film breakdown explores how hard it is to guard this blend of on-ball and off-ball offense, how integral it is to today's 2-man game, the history of pass-and chase and how it connects the pick-and-roll and 3-point movement shooting of the modern NBA.
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This is why I can't stand when people say that NBA players don't play defense, they do play defense the offenses are just too damn good and constantly evolving
the problem is the defensive haven't evolved yet but seeing what Orlando is doing I think that's the next level of nba defense
To an extent, rules prevent them from defending like before but it’s a culmination of that, offensive evolution, and emphasis on offensive star power. We have high end offensive players sticking their leg out trying to clip players instead of shadowing them with their hands up.
Yes and no. It's also that players are allowed to travel and carry to extreme levels adding a lot offensive fouls, whereas the other way the fouls are given easier.
Basically the spacing made it harder to defend today and players are more multifunctional today, meaning there are more scoring threats but next to that it's certainly hard to defend because of the loose officiating.
I do agree that offense continues to evolve. But defense has evolved on par to the offense. The primary reason offense has an advantage in recent years is because of changes to how rules are interpreted and applied.
@@DotsetcTime to bring back that 80's era basketball where everything short of 1st degree murder on the court was allowed when defending!
I love Thinking Basketball. This place always makes me realise how much I hate traditional sports media (see ESPN etc) with their drama narratives, antics and theatre. Then throw in a stat line like "He's the 3rd person since Wilt to score with his left hand on a Tuesday with no laces after eating chicken nuggets.". First Take is just "The View" but with sports.
That's really the new sports media landscape. Some fans would rather watch an hour of this than 15 weekly hours of people yelling hot takes at each other.
I think the narratives of basketball certainly have a place, but they shouldn't be held in a higher regard than the beauty of what's happening on-court.
but scoring with the left hand on a tuesday with no laces after eating chicken nuggets is a huge feat for any player to have thats why only 3 people have done it
@@CJ_Tha_Mofo Zion, Jokic, and Harden?
Dude spent the entire summer making videos for ESPN on their RUclips channel. You’re just hating on ESPN because it’s a popular internet opinion and you’re fishing for upvotes. The irony is crazy here, though.
Man, imagine how deadly would be if Curry and Jokic played in the same team..
2016 would likely have been a very different story...
They would literally carry the entire team's offense.
to be fair green and curry is literally doing it for years now but ...man jesus christ, green right now is just on pure nonsense
That'll be just straight up cheating! I can see players rage quitting and just walking off the court in the middle of the game.
Bogut was a great passer similar to Jokic. Jokic just was a better scorer, but Bogut did all of these things
The ball movement in Bill and Wilt time was so good, guys didn't dribble much, instead they constantly cut and moved around the court looking for an opening. Of course because their shootings were horrible back then, and dribbling rules were way stricter. But their ball movement philosophy was top notch and it takes a ton of stamina running like that all game, in high top Chucks lol
it's right all you said except the horrible shooting part, it wasn't so bad at all, check the shooting percentages.
There are some explanations to the differences as well.
The game changed so much, but did it really?
This video was brilliant
without the 3pt line there was not much space to cut into, though
Dude, if you watch the games, they literally just ran down the court and chucked up a shot. There wasn’t ball movement, really. Definitely not to the extent of today. In fact, it would be impossible to match the pace of that era if there was any significant amount of ball movement.
Iverson and other crippling ball hogs would
Hate this era.
Playing pickup ball, a dribble handoff is pretty much as offensively coordinated as it gets and has always felt op.
So interesting to see it prove itself as a legitimate, dominant strategy in elite competition rather than a noob strat for rec games.
A DHO and solid pick is found money in a pick up game for sure.
That was my first reaction as well: it's what we've been doing at the gym all these years.
Pass and pass back (basically this video) is big hacks
It was always super common in basketball.
that Steph relocation is so deadly
This is one of my favourite thinking basketball clips so far, it's just so beautiful to watch how the "give and go" has evolved. It's basically the backbone of any teamsport that involves a ball.
That's always been a common use of the give and go; to combine it with a pick to get a dribbler out of trouble. This vid is showing something that's been in daily roundball use forever.
Yep. We generally call it a one two in football.
Great content
Genius break down, I didn't realize what I had been watching until they explained it now it makes total sense
That's because you're a casual. Most casuals only understand dunks and three's.
@@NixonMayHaveBeenOnToSomethingDo you understand the play D.E.E.Z. tho? Most complicated play in the nba
@@chadickusvonmaximus4067oh erm what does D.E.E.Z stand for I wonder?
just say you're depressed and hate yourself
@@NixonMayHaveBeenOnToSomethingdo you feel better about yourself after saying that I bet you do
Never really thought about it deeply, but it makes sense that a DHO would be one of the best offensive strategies in today's game. Especially with many passing bigs and relentless slashing guards.
It's actually closer to a give a go than it is to a DHO, but it's combo of both
Helps players that may not have the quickest first step get going full speed as if they were in transition. It’s easier to receive the ball in stride and maneuver around the defender b4 the handoff than it is to try and avoid the defender while dribbling to get around the screen. Warriors perfected this.
Big reason why the Nuggets started doing screen/hand off actions for Jokic. He's not fast but he's big and his handles are very good. Him getting that full head of steam off a hand off means whoever is defending him can't keep up and whoever is left underneath the rim isn't stopping him. Along with automatically drawing the extra defender to make a pass if he needs to. Also working for inverted screen plays like what the Thunder are utilizing since their lineup are tall guys who are decent ball handlers.
The evolution of NBA offense is insane. Teams are improving and scoring rates are rising.
But NBA fans hate seeing that and just blame it one bad defense. The spacing and level of schemes just makes it way too hard.
NBA fans "hate" the "evolution of NBA offense" because it is cause just as much (if not more) by the NBAs decisions with regards to rules/regulations and their scheduling. The defense is not allowed to evolve at the same rate as offense because the player with the ball is so vastly advantaged by the rules. Also the NBA schedule creates an environment where players just aren't capable of giving full effort on defense for an entire regular season. Coaches also can't prepare specific defensive game plans and tactics for each opponent because there is so little time between games. A largely reduced regular season would vastly improve the quality and competitiveness of the average regular season game through increased rest and preparation, and I think this is where the frustration with the lack of "defense" comes from for many fans.
Your half right and half wrong no disrespect.
Basketball has mostly evolved because the league has constantly changed rules to make the game easier for the offense.
@@lukekiefer5964 The league is soft but also athletes evolves in general.
@@deathcareFacts. they need to make rule changes for both sides not just for offense where its more exciting. Theyre supposed to be the pioneers of the game
Off ball movement is a necessity in football/soccer, that's what always struck me with the GSW dinasty and the spurs before that. It was so similar to football
The NBA has become more like soccer and less like American football or baseball in other ways too. The biggest is that the beauty is much more in the details, in the process of HOW shots are being generated and HOW defenses are trying to stop them, rather than the outcome itself.
Starting in the 80s and through probably 2015-ish the game was mostly about the individual shot making within a team framework. That is still there, of course, but a lot of people only see the uncontested layups and 35 threes just like a lot of people see three goals and thinking nothing happened. It's two sides of the same coin. There is a *TON* happening, but you do need to be a more knowledgeable viewer in order to appreciate it. The same way some people can appreciate a good wine and taste all the different notes and I think there only two kinds: ones I like and ones I don't.
You do such a good job of explaining the nuance in these moves to make it easy for a lay person like me to understand. It exponentially increases my enjoyment of the game knowing the impact that a subtlety such as the difference between a DHO and this on/off ball dribble action has on the play. Top drawer.
This is probably the perfect video for high school and college coaches to watch as well. I’m sure a lot of people know concepts that work, but sometimes it helps to have everything clearly outlined and why things are just such a clear advantage over something else. If you do this stuff well, you’ll probably have a very hard offense to defend. Especially if the other team isn’t as good at the cheat codes. Of course it really helps in the NBA because almost every guy is super skilled at everything. And less zones of course.
This reminds me of the most classic 2 man action in futbol; the wall pass or “one two” love to see it
I was just thinking "oh, so basketball players have discovered the check" haha
I'm coming to basketball from playing Ultimate Frisbee for 12+ years. It's pretty cool to see the same strategies at play, because in ultimate you can't move with the disc, so you have to rely on your teammates to advance down the field. The short give-and-go movements shown here are identical to small-ball moves in ultimate. Heck yeah
But no picks
Jokic changed the game into all teams running DHO's non stop
noticed this a lot during the last warriors game i watched. really plays to stephs strengths and makes it tough going over or under the screen to get back to him. by the time you're back near him, he's either shooting, driving for a floater, feeding the dude setting the pick or dishing out to a corner.
I love the dribble handoff, give and go, whatever you want to call it. When done effectively it's nearly impossible to stop. The amount of talent in the league I imagine some coach is cooking up another wrinkle to give defenses fits. I also enjoy the older highlights showing the evolution of the handoff and how much this action is embedded into modern basketball. Excellent video.
This video just showed me how more effective and more safe this play is compared to a normal pick and roll, I love pick and rolls but this is a better alternative to play
1:43 I remember Chick Hearn calling it “the give-and-go”
Exactly. This is not new
Give and go is cut to the basket after the pass not specifically a cut to the recipient plus DHO
It's only possible due to the lack of moving screens being called. Most DHOs are clear moving screens.
Same thought. Every clip has a moving screen or hip check to free the guard.
and many players get momentum and/or change direction by traveling when they get the ball back. American Players seem to do this more often then former FIBA players.
Basically everything about modern offense is a byproduct of rules and officiating favoring the offense. Call the game as it should (travels, carrying, double dribble, moving screens, offensive fouls), take away the stupid 3 second defensive rule then bring back handchecking (in Its last iteration before being completely banned) and you wll see how scoring would decrease immediately, offensive strategies change but most important how this small ball positionless basketball heavy 3point based style would fall apart in favor of a more varied style.
@@sergioa.9695 agree almost completely... the 3 seconds rule could stay in my opinion. It makes the game more spectacular under the basket. If bigs just park in the zone and wait for the approaching attacker, everything in the zone becomes more static.
The record offenses would not exist if the actual rules (travels, carrying, double dribble, moving screens, offensive fouls) were really applied.
Funny enough I think this correlates to how the moving screen was not as enforced as its use got more prevalent in the late 2000s/early 2010s. KG in his Celtics run was notorious for this to help get his shooters free. Then it became a big deal for Steph needing a screen partner to get him freed up to shoot so Bogut and then Draymond would be that guy. Then the whole league would adapt using screen games and then DHOs to take advantage of shooting and space to attack from the perimeter. Moreso with options to set soft screens which kinda look like a bump and run by the big setting them. I think its more egregious now than the lack of travels.
I couldn't help but start dying laughing when I heard "and that just unplugs Chris Paul's controller" 🤣
1:55 I think the term your looking for is “give and go” unless that’s something entirely different
In football is know as the one two
Give and Go usually is a pass, e.g. to the wing, and than the cut to to basket. Get action is pass and then running towards recipient for DHO, which often is a moving screen that doesn't get called nowadays
As I have watched, I realized that a lot of similar actions can be seen in the 1960s and 1970s NBA offenses and of course you didn't disappoint later in the video, providing some examples.
Great video as always!
I love this video. The amount of complexity and skill that offense has become is incredible. You could literally build a whole offensive scheme as a coach from this offense (at least against a man defense).
A d it ONLY works coz their dribble is mostly carry and they travel like demons all game
It may seem complex but really the limits of it are as good as your athletes in your team. Especially in a pick up basketball game where whoever has the guys who can screen and do a give and go for their offense really sets the team up to win. Next to the team who has guys who can run full court to score.
Offenses are actually LESS complex than they used to be to acommodate the demand for high stats, and players regularly get away with a lot more violations such as traveling, not having to beat a hand-checking defender, and the consequent elimination of the 5 position to a hybrid 4,5 player like Green. If refs started calling travelling again, and the rules allowed for hand checks, we'd be right back to the 80s, 90s, and 00s.
Indeed,@@sugarnads .
I love watching Adebayo and Robinson do this, started as a necessary way to get Duncan shots because he couldn't be trusted to dribble at all, but now he's developed that capability it's turned into a deadly and multifaceted 2 man game
thank you for showing this. this is why i keep telling my friends, the offense is so potent nowadays. you cant defend it (and just pray for the percentages of that player shooting drops) and casuals always say the nba today lacks defense..
yeah I hate it when people say that there’s no effort on defense. Like trust me, they’re trying 😂
Well its kinda true, since offense is more valuable you see rosters being built by favouring good offensive players over great defensive players. So there have been less of these specialist defenders getting a spot. A lot of players like tony allen or andre roberson might not be getting a contract in todays nba.
@@enterpassword3313 I think what you’re saying happened but idk if the reasoning is correct. Like, players are just more skilled now. I don’t think teams favored more offensive oriented players, it’s just that the offensive floor required to play across the board became higher. Maybe we’re saying the same thing or close to it but there’s still roster spots for the PJ Tuckers, Thybulle’s, Mcdaniels of the world.
@@JonathanWoodallIf you’re referring to Jaden McDaniels then he’s a very effective offensive player (good shooter, developing midrange creation) and shouldn’t be grouped with Thybulle and Tucker, I do completely agree though. The talent in the NBA keeps getting better and better and there’s no place for offensive non-contributors anymore
@@samn90834 he’s better offensively than the other two and granted I don’t watch him much but I’d still bet he wouldn’t be much of a factor if he wasn’t considered a top 3 perimeter defender. Same with Gobert. But yeah, didn’t mean to disrespect his game.
Reminding me of read-option offense in football. For the same positions there’s several different things that could happen leaving the defense to have to guess and adjust, ending up a step behind and too late.
One of my favourite actions in basketball right now. I love the way the game is going with Zoom Actions, Handoffs, Get, just read and react concepts and combining simples actions with good reads and execution. The game is so beautiful.
Personally this is the best episode on this channel. Great job summarizing the concepts with good examples. Mind blowing.
crazy how kerr was apart of many of these teams that used the earliest version of this and instituted it the earliest (and maybe the best) in the modern nba
This is one of the best basketball theory videos I've seen in a long time. Thanks man!
Thank you for all efforts of explanations the on & off screen plays . It’s the only game everyone plays today, thanks again .
I love this video! really interesting to see the convergence of the give and go and pick n roll into this new action
Such an amazing explanation and great ending, loved the Delivery
I mean it's just crazy, I've been doing these in 2k and wonder why more people don't do this, but hell, you've just pointed out I've been subtly influenced by real games 😂 very nice analysis, Thinking Basketball!
Man. This is great stuff
Thanks for your explanations with the graphics, I will be watching basketball much differently now.
Best basketball analysis in the game my guy hands down. Great video.
Dude. Awesome video. Great research. Great stuff. Well done.
Fascinating video!! Cogent & elucidating. Thx very much. 😊
This video made my soul tingle. I just giggled like I was talking to my middle school crush on the phone. Basketball is so beautiful.
Great analysis of this. It really does give an edge to the offense.
Interesting offensive approach especially with so many other coaches in the lower level opting for the traditional pass and cut or pass and screen away tactics. Really good analysis I love how the game works
0:45 for a split second, I thought someone was gonna be on the receiving end of an alley-oop and was gonna slam it home. then I came to my senses😆
Lmao I feel that
When I watch this video I immediately think how devastating and ridiculous it will be if Steph and Jokic is on the same team they doing the dribble hand off and all those off ball movements cutting would be impossible to guard .
Great video. Love the perspective
This is a combo of give and go/ screener as ball handler initiating pick and roll/pop. Opens more options on offense
These are the best basketball videos on the internet and the pod is right there beside it
Awesome video. I learn something about basketball. Great job TB team.
Love this channel. Sooo Good Ben
Reminds me a little of a one-two in soccer, intersections in sports are awesome
I LOVE THE DHO combos around the league: Green/Sengun, Robinson/Bam, Curry/Draymond, Booker/Nurkic, Murray or MPJ/Jokic, Huerter/Sabonis, Hield/Turner… it’s unstoppable with a great shooter who moves well off the ball
Maxey/Embiid too for an honorable mention, but I loved the old Curry/Embiid, Bellinelli/Embiid, and Redick/Embiid combos from the past
Thanks for this video. Learned a lot!
Thanks again for another great video!
This concept is awesome and I truly didn’t realize how prevalent in today’s game. I mean it is definitely an unstoppable sequence pretty much with the unreal talents at the highest level
What a great video.
Thinking basketball is top-notch.
Surprised Webber wasn't used as an example. His DHO game was god-tier.
I love learning more about sport plays. Makes watching the games more enjoyable
Nice video will put some of this thinking into a practice session with the kids I coach.
I dont even watch basketball anymore, but i could listen to you break these down all day
this why basketball is my favorite sport. The tactics that look like pure chaose to the uninformed eye
Love the videos Ben
Great content and breakdown.
More teams are playing like Denver this year (usually happens after a team wins the finals). Efficiency is going through the roof. It's starting to make other eras look abysmal in comparison. The game is really evolving.
So, the give and go? Got it.
This is kinda like a one two in football
Great Video as Always
Much love from Germany💯🇩🇪❤️
It's such a simple play too as the big man. Like you say, everyone loses their focus on everyone but you when you receive the ball so as long as someone does something, especially the guy who just passed it to you, you can make something happen. I love a give and go pass more than anything. I should tell my team no more screens, just give me the ball and run in my vicinity. I will decide what we do.
The "hand back" is quite similar to the football (soccer to you) "give and go". In football, the concept is the ball travels faster and farther than you. In basketball, you travel faster and farther without the ball, which can then be delivered to you.
Great work 🔥🔥🔥
That Nash pass at 7:33 is so smooth
Love this channel
Really awesome video.
Great breakdown
So simple, but in my decades of playing and watching basketball, I never thought of it this way.
The frustrating thing about streetball is that if you pass to someone and make a cut, they rarely pass it back to you, so this play rarely occurs during pickup games at the park.
0:46 that jumper was straight cash money lol
Love this type of video
Football (or soccer if that's what you want to call it) has a great name for plays similar to this action. It's give&go. I think this is exactly what they're doing. Well in football, as the pitch is much bigger, there is way more space between the players and there is no "screen", but the initial passer is utilizing the short hesitation of the defender after the pass as the defender would be uncertain where the passer is going. It can also be done in such a way that allows the defender of the initial passer to collide with the receiver's defender depending on how the players are positioned on the pitch.
Yeah, I think it is called the Give and Go in BBall as well. It's in NBA 2k, and the Curtis Blow song, "Talking Basketball".
there's also a give and go in basketball, but it's typically a backdoor cut to the basket, behind the defender, not a cut to the receiver/screener after passing
This! This is why I don't agree when people say the game is worse now compared to the 90s and early 00s, and that defenses suck.
That slow, iso-dribble based game is not what BB fundamentals are, passing is! It's just that once the league started relaxing whats a carry or travel, players started abusing it and the game went down the individual dribble path. But teams slowly started to realise that the same fundamentals of passing and cutting are still much better at destabilising defenses. And with the focus on stopping iso, defensively, the league was lagging. It took Curry and his otherwordly shooting ability, gravity and spacing for the league to catch up to what coaches like Popovich already knew. That's why defensively the Warriors were so ahead of the league too.
So much this game has in common with association football looking from over here in Football mad Europe
It's easier to pass than it is to dribble. Dribbling in football is the hardest skill.
Football was about dribbling yourself until in Glasgow Scotland they invented what they called in 1880s The Combination Game
Scotland at this point won the next dozen matches v England and England began to professionalise and paid Scottish players to come to England and play
One team won the English 1st division with EVERY PLAYER BEING SCOTTISH
They were called
The Scotch Professors
Basketball has beautiful flow that our football also has. It lifts the spirit and takes your breath away👍
ive seen this play so many times. i never thought about it like this
Wow I was just thinking about this last night.
Crazy coincidence
Good analysis
That is so much interesting, now I just want to try it !
This is a brilliant outline of why NBA defences are giving up more and more points.
I really appreciate your breakdown. I think one of the simple factors is how much faster a player can move without the ball. I think we will see even more "moves" made by the player who has just given up the ball. Spinning past your defender or suddenly changing directions for a step back is much easier without the ball. So many players can catch & shoot so quickly that, as long as the pass is on time, the space they create is enough to get the shot off.
Actually there aren't that many 'great' catch and shooters who can move in the league atm. Which is why they are a commodity because they can make this DHO system work better and exploit the spacing against the defenses. The threat of 2 man games with a moving shooter and a passing big like what Huerter/Domas introduced last year gave other scoring looks for Fox to work with.
Is a big part of the advantage that the "screener" isn't subject to standard illegal screening refereeing calls as he is the ball handler at the point of screening (or very close to it), and would normally be called under the charging rules (which don't apply because he is generally stationary).
Basically, it's an on-ball screen, but the ball handler IS the screener.
Great video
Thank you as always. I hope you are too having a great day.
What a great, educational video
High Post Offense is an excellent style of play, especially when that high post Big steps out farther away from the Elbow. I just call it "Pitchback" to regain your dribble.
Really really really good video
Incredible video
Fantastic content! Indispensable.
Did I just hear ninjutsu? Cultured 👌
This is great! :)
Basketball is better than it ever was, we shouldn't take that for granted, to think how much and how many times the game has changed only in the last 20 years is amazing..
Who knows what the game will look like in the future...
this was eye-opening
Great video. Less about the explaining and more about the 10,000 clips you went through to find these. Maybe it is easier than it seems?
Either way, is this really "taking over the NBA"? when it has been around forever, even in the clips you showed. I never really looked at it that closely. I will have to start doing that now.
Makes sense. Great content. Too much dribbling often leads to turnovers.