Something to note is that in the patchnotes it says that a ripoff abulities are just placeholders so probably magician wont have a swap and the other guy wont have bloodletting
@@kayanono If people are dumb enough not to realise what a game alpha is, they'll probably say stupid shit like "omg Magician is a terrible name please change, omg Wrecker model is basic as hell please change" ...without realising we're all peeking under the hood, we're not supposed to see any of this. It's testing.
Im pretty sure the abilities that were ripped from existing characters are just placeholders. Paradoxical swap and bloodletting probably wont be reused
Should clarify that some of these abilities, ultimates and just overall designs are placeholders or just copy and pasted from other heroes. Though Holliday and Calico look like they're the most finished characters.
The "ripped" abilities are placeholders, but I wouldn't be surprised if the final product is a different version of those abilities. Seeing as we're in very early access it's also possible none of the abilities (yes, even the fully fleshed out ones) remain the same Though reading the comments I can see that I should've clarified
You clearly did not know this at the time of recording, given the complete bullshit you are talking about Magician's placeholder ult. I'm a pretty casual player and this stuff was obvious, how tf does a 300k sub gaming youtuber get this so wrong?
can't wait for all long-range to be nerfed into the ground except Vindicta, then people complain that Vindicta is overpowered instead of restoring the other long-range options just like TF2 :)
If they would have made Calico like a Support-ish, they would have used like the old Skill 2 she had, where she can pounce on allies(or her cat for the distance) so that she can slightly reduce their CD
The frogs ult looks like something thatll be used a lot against mid boss. While everyone is standing there waiting for the buff crystal or whatever just turn them to stone, jump in break it and run away. Also good to cancel annoying ults like haze for example during a team fight.
Some things I found out playing Calico you can place her statues in mid-air by looking straight up, and they just float there; when you use her ult, your melee hits twice, making it super quick to clear vending machines
Ya honestly I hadn't read the patch notes, but it still seemed painfully obvious to me these aren't their final abilities. When has a released character ever had exactly cloned abilities in deadlock or Dota?? So why would anyone expect these unreleased characters to suddenly change that pattern.
I wish they'd release an entirely heal-focused character, too. The ones we have have healing more or less as an added side-effect on intensely long cooldowns, but that's not what I'm looking for. I respect the idea behind keeping heals limited to avoid stalemate situations, but I really only play healers in MOBAs and the current roster is just not cutting it. The best supporter worth their salt is Viscous in this department once you got the item to copy the goo prison, but then you also need to wait for 70% of the match to be done before you can afford this item. I'm not advocating for a crazy-strong healer like Mercy, but something to the extent of Anna would be nice.
health is an important resource in-lane, it's what allows you to farm souls and eventually leave lane and be strong a strong healer would be OP for being uncounterable for most of the roster; Bebop would be the only one capable of doing something to a good backline, passive healer in-lane
kelvin should work for you i guess, his nade heals after upgrading it, and you can go a hybrid spirit and heal build and spam the nade forever while still being useful with ult and freeze ray...
I hope it does in the sense of having more players, but *different* players... I would want to die if such a beautiful game became flooded by sweaty r*tards.. (Please Valve do not make Deadlock a free to play game with skins I beg you)
I used fathom once, and that heroes gun damage is SUPERRRR BROKEN, one shot can deal 700+ Damage and you can solo walkers+guardian towers in the late game.
I feel like calico's ult doesn't really make sense with the rest of her kit. I liked when the cat statue was her ultimate. I feel like they should get rid of the invisibility in her kit and give her something else.
I mean cats like to stalk and ambush so it makes sense with the theming. I'd argue that with the shove from her cat summon, and the ability to set up multiple statues to shove people toward, she almost has more potential with invisibility than Haze does.
Some of these abilities (not talking about the duplicate abilities) just dont seem super interesting, i hope they dont just pump out lots of hereos that have simple and boring kits just to launch more heroes
Well we've known about several of these for quite a while, and many of them (even the ones that look largely complete) have seen ability changes. Yet they haven't been fully released yet aside from Mirage and he is pretty unique and interesting. I don't think they're rushing them out. Calico statues have seen a change since I last checked her out, and she seems one of the more complete.
Its cool that they are actually letting us play some of the unreleased heros but to me it seems a bit like a miss. Obviously everyone is gonna want to try new heros but because you are only allowed to pick one of them before a match the chances of you getting a new hero is pretty slim unless you play one of the more niche characters. If you thought "well i just keep playing until i get it" well ur out of luck because the mode is only available for 2 hours each day which is around 2-3 games. I just dont get it, its like giving a kid a sucker and then yanking it out of their mouth after 2 minutes. Why give us the mode in the first place? I know damn well you arent getting enough data from only 2 hours of playtime each day. I get they dont want to pull people away from the main portion of the game for too long, but 2 hours? Really? People arent gonna want to play unpolished characters all day, just let them play what they want for the time being.
Why would you make a video about characters in the hero lab, none of this characters will be the same once it is added to the base game. Hell they could even scrap all 6 characters if they wanted to .
I liked the name Kali more than generic Viper that has been used so many times in so many games. But I know it's temporary and the name Kali would cause confusion because there's Calico already, it would be a nightmare in comms to call which hero. It's weird that Valve just confidently adding prototype heroes like Fathom, Magician, and Wrecker into the game. Not very Valve-like which usually releasing stuff when it's ready or almost polished.
They are still limited time to test, infact only 2 hrs timeframe to test them in a PVP scenario. I do hope they come up with a new name for Kali/Viper though
@@hakuryu5874 I'm just unsure what they want to test because some of the abilities of prototype heroes all over the place, and some even borrowed from existing heroes.
I think viper is going to be a separate hero from Kali. Kali already has voicelines and the already has abilities. Maybe they were just using the model to test out the animations
Why would you even play paradox? Because obviously some of these abilities are just placeholders taken from other characters because they don't have their real ability yet. Like why even bother explaining bloodletting
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Something to note is that in the patchnotes it says that a ripoff abulities are just placeholders so probably magician wont have a swap and the other guy wont have bloodletting
Pretty damning of Ottr to make a whole-ass video about this and not realise that tbh. Did he even read the patch notes?
Rushed video lmao
Really important i hope people read this
@@kayanono If people are dumb enough not to realise what a game alpha is, they'll probably say stupid shit like "omg Magician is a terrible name please change, omg Wrecker model is basic as hell please change"
...without realising we're all peeking under the hood, we're not supposed to see any of this. It's testing.
@@ExtradaemonYT Probably not.
Im pretty sure the abilities that were ripped from existing characters are just placeholders. Paradoxical swap and bloodletting probably wont be reused
Yes it says that in the patch notes too. Video seems super rushed :/
9:10
*the ability icon is a cat*
*the model is a frog*
*it's a rabbit*
Understandable, have a great day.
The hero is not done, they are using other assets because the final ones arent finished
That's right. The round peg goes in the square hole.
if you play mobile legends, its literally nana
@@basiliskdoor shut up about that mobile crap no one plays that here get out
Should clarify that some of these abilities, ultimates and just overall designs are placeholders or just copy and pasted from other heroes. Though Holliday and Calico look like they're the most finished characters.
6:35 Ah.. Pre-Nerf Ambassador so this is where Papa Valve banished you to.
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@@seligaprv8669 It's a tf2 weapon
@@mephisto-blackknife-5231 ahh I thought dota champion, ty
@@seligaprv8669 Yeah, it's a TF2 weapon and it works exactly as shown before the nerfs it got.
The "ripped" abilities are placeholders, but I wouldn't be surprised if the final product is a different version of those abilities. Seeing as we're in very early access it's also possible none of the abilities (yes, even the fully fleshed out ones) remain the same
Though reading the comments I can see that I should've clarified
pin this bruh
Pin this, don't mislead people
You clearly did not know this at the time of recording, given the complete bullshit you are talking about Magician's placeholder ult. I'm a pretty casual player and this stuff was obvious, how tf does a 300k sub gaming youtuber get this so wrong?
magician ult and fathoms bloodletting are probably placeholder abilities, expect them to change
that litteraly slark from dota 2 lmao
True probably since their devname Is slork
I mean, his old placeholder name was "Slork"
Except the third ability
yeah, while holiday ult is basically bat rider ult
Ice frog is the dev, so I’m sure he’ll have inspiration from dota lol
Valve: Nerfs the Ambassador into the ground
Also Valve: Gives the cowgirl an Ambassador on steroids
can't wait for all long-range to be nerfed into the ground except Vindicta, then people complain that Vindicta is overpowered instead of restoring the other long-range options just like TF2 :)
If they would have made Calico like a Support-ish, they would have used like the old Skill 2 she had, where she can pounce on allies(or her cat for the distance) so that she can slightly reduce their CD
Thank you for the video!
Couldn't check them up in the game due to the timezone, this is exactly what I wanted :D
The frogs ult looks like something thatll be used a lot against mid boss. While everyone is standing there waiting for the buff crystal or whatever just turn them to stone, jump in break it and run away. Also good to cancel annoying ults like haze for example during a team fight.
viper & ivy paired in one lane is gonna be hilarious
Can't wait for the inevitable launch pad barrel team wipe clip
Some things I found out playing Calico you can place her statues in mid-air by looking straight up, and they just float there; when you use her ult, your melee hits twice, making it super quick to clear vending machines
I hope Valve and Icefrog seperate Dota and Deadlock and not transferring same hero to each game like League of Legends with Valorant.
the "ripoffs" are placeholders. Youd know that if you read patch notes
This nerd reads
You don't even have to do that. Just simple logic would tell you they're not going to use the same ability.
Ya honestly I hadn't read the patch notes, but it still seemed painfully obvious to me these aren't their final abilities. When has a released character ever had exactly cloned abilities in deadlock or Dota?? So why would anyone expect these unreleased characters to suddenly change that pattern.
For someone who played AP Shaco in League of Legends Calico might be the character ive been waiting for
Magician is literally zander from battlerite
Holiday looks good, obviously these are characters are very early in dev and are using place holder abilities.
I wish they'd release an entirely heal-focused character, too.
The ones we have have healing more or less as an added side-effect on intensely long cooldowns, but that's not what I'm looking for.
I respect the idea behind keeping heals limited to avoid stalemate situations, but I really only play healers in MOBAs and the current roster is just not cutting it. The best supporter worth their salt is Viscous in this department once you got the item to copy the goo prison, but then you also need to wait for 70% of the match to be done before you can afford this item.
I'm not advocating for a crazy-strong healer like Mercy, but something to the extent of Anna would be nice.
health is an important resource in-lane, it's what allows you to farm souls and eventually leave lane and be strong
a strong healer would be OP for being uncounterable for most of the roster; Bebop would be the only one capable of doing something to a good backline, passive healer in-lane
kelvin should work for you i guess, his nade heals after upgrading it, and you can go a hybrid spirit and heal build and spam the nade forever while still being useful with ult and freeze ray...
fathom = slark in dota 2
Fathom's original name was Slork
Wrecker is just a tom and jerry robocat combined with uber eats delivery boy
slark in deadlock letsgo
6:34 Good enough welcome back pre nerf ambassador
So much creativity in this game!
Something interesting that I noticed is that Fathom's character model in the Heroes library is the only one that moves
hope dl will take over league of legends
League is boring and dead so not a hard task
oh! It will
@@Andy-eg6cq League is the most played moba by far so i doubt it, I would say that this game would kill smite, but it already has lol.
as much as i hate LoL, i don't think DL will overtake it. LoL is just too popular man, DL will be huge though that's guaranteed.
I hope it does in the sense of having more players, but *different* players...
I would want to die if such a beautiful game became flooded by sweaty r*tards..
(Please Valve do not make Deadlock a free to play game with skins I beg you)
Who was that first character?
Cold Front plus Fathom's knock up would be a really fun combo move
So far we got Slark in human form and BatRider in cowboy form LOL.
Wrecker is silly and fun I hope they never change him
I used fathom once, and that heroes gun damage is SUPERRRR BROKEN, one shot can deal 700+ Damage and you can solo walkers+guardian towers in the late game.
The first four seem super fun.
I really wish Viper's venom was an actual venom, like a DoT instead of a delayed explosion. Oh well.
This game's going to be huge I feel. It's already big but I mean damn
I feel like calico's ult doesn't really make sense with the rest of her kit. I liked when the cat statue was her ultimate. I feel like they should get rid of the invisibility in her kit and give her something else.
I mean cats like to stalk and ambush so it makes sense with the theming.
I'd argue that with the shove from her cat summon, and the ability to set up multiple statues to shove people toward, she almost has more potential with invisibility than Haze does.
Fathom's bloodletting is actually the old version. Shiv got balance changes in this patch, but Fathom's bloodletting wasn't.
is there a benefit for magician to polymorph his teammates? like health regeneration similar to viscous sliming his teammates?
classic slark tactics with shark man
Magicians ult most likely won’t be that it’s name isn’t a reference to paradox it’s literally paradoxes ult they most likely used it as a place holder
>fish character
>heals when not on minimap
icefrog really is porting Dota heroes into deadlock
pyke from league of legends also has this passive and a very similar design to fathom
ngl im main viper already, i love you lizard man!
I'm glad Holiday actually has a face. They have a habit of skipping on that.
I'll main Calico from now on
Cats are the most important thing
Fathom's ultimate doesn't really seem to mesh with the rest of his kit, just seems randomly placed.
The magical is very very similar to battlerites magical. Just a fun observation, their kid are very similar in what they do
Looking forward to calico. Going to see if I can spirit tank her and bully Abrams.
Viper'a a little weird looking, but I kinda like Viper'a unique look.
Fathom is really similar to Slark from Dota2
Not sure if this was a joke, but his old name was slark
Imagine Holliday ult into Ivy ult.
Kidnapping meta inbound?
Fathom is literally Slark from Dota 2
fathom/felix grapple to invis is literally ghost wolf from wolfteam lol
It looks like Slark and works like Slark. Yes it is Slark!
Fathom damage boost and regen is Slark. No wonder they jokingly called it Slork.
For holiday.. if you jump and throw barrel .. it rolls very slow.
Ottr, how happy are you after reading Shiv changes?
probably not enough
Fathom's Ult reminds me of Slark.
nah not the clockwerk head 😂😂
Well holiday will deffo be the aimbotters hero of choice
viper 2nd is literally dota viper predator pasive, and his old 2nd actually
I can already see the sailor moon, "My work here is done!" "But you didn't do anything!" "...My work here is done." for magician mains.
welcome Paradox 2.0
more balanced than bebop and warden tbh
they've been cooking
So we got ashe/skarner, and zed coming to deadlock.
wrecker looks fkn fun
I'm surprised Viper isn't more like Viper.
Cant wait to end an entire team fight with magician. Why fight when we can all shake hands and hop around as rabbit (frogs)?
Eskay played wrecker in a high level scrim it was actually broken 4 is nutso
Eskay is a trainee
This is pretty trady
Wrecker is the first attempt at a jungler
He's like a weird mix of clinkz and clockwerk
ottr ping a comment explaining placeholders asap
Omg fathom reminds me of pyke
i really like magician
I see alot of inspiration from dota
Slark, Batrider, Medusa, Venomancer. I guess when you already made 90% of the possible skills for a MOBA, you have to plagiarize yourself
Some of these abilities (not talking about the duplicate abilities) just dont seem super interesting, i hope they dont just pump out lots of hereos that have simple and boring kits just to launch more heroes
Well we've known about several of these for quite a while, and many of them (even the ones that look largely complete) have seen ability changes.
Yet they haven't been fully released yet aside from Mirage and he is pretty unique and interesting.
I don't think they're rushing them out.
Calico statues have seen a change since I last checked her out, and she seems one of the more complete.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 yeye i have faith in the devs!
Lol Paradox is just less cool Magician now and they didn't even add a wedding dress as a skin yet
0:50, *9 Months Later*
They added viper 2
bruh thinking those placeholder abilities are real abilities and keeping the straight face
i dont see these heros live
wait why is magician just klein moretti? ALL PRAISE THE FOOL
Its cool that they are actually letting us play some of the unreleased heros but to me it seems a bit like a miss. Obviously everyone is gonna want to try new heros but because you are only allowed to pick one of them before a match the chances of you getting a new hero is pretty slim unless you play one of the more niche characters. If you thought "well i just keep playing until i get it" well ur out of luck because the mode is only available for 2 hours each day which is around 2-3 games. I just dont get it, its like giving a kid a sucker and then yanking it out of their mouth after 2 minutes. Why give us the mode in the first place? I know damn well you arent getting enough data from only 2 hours of playtime each day. I get they dont want to pull people away from the main portion of the game for too long, but 2 hours? Really? People arent gonna want to play unpolished characters all day, just let them play what they want for the time being.
"aren't getting enough data from 2 hours of playtime a day".
How much data are they getting? How much more would they need to be enough?
It can be difficult to see how a new hero works among the current roster, if too many people are playing the new heroes in each match.
Why would you make a video about characters in the hero lab, none of this characters will be the same once it is added to the base game. Hell they could even scrap all 6 characters if they wanted to .
Something about these heroes isnt doing it for me. Gonna keep waiting i guess
wow valve really is incredibly uninspired
No fathom. Is Slork
How do I get a key to this game bro
What’s your steam I can send you an invite
Why include placeholder copied abilities? xD
The shark dudes Ultimate is boring asf, that should be his 3 and they should think of some megalodon type attack for his ultimate
im not playing him if he's not called slork
I liked the name Kali more than generic Viper that has been used so many times in so many games. But I know it's temporary and the name Kali would cause confusion because there's Calico already, it would be a nightmare in comms to call which hero.
It's weird that Valve just confidently adding prototype heroes like Fathom, Magician, and Wrecker into the game. Not very Valve-like which usually releasing stuff when it's ready or almost polished.
They are still limited time to test, infact only 2 hrs timeframe to test them in a PVP scenario. I do hope they come up with a new name for Kali/Viper though
Valve likes playtesting and this is the playtest
Its an alpha playtest of course they're gonna want to playtest. If it was a finished game then no shit they wouldn't, but its not so here we are
@@hakuryu5874 I'm just unsure what they want to test because some of the abilities of prototype heroes all over the place, and some even borrowed from existing heroes.
I think viper is going to be a separate hero from Kali. Kali already has voicelines and the already has abilities. Maybe they were just using the model to test out the animations
Why would you even play paradox? Because obviously some of these abilities are just placeholders taken from other characters because they don't have their real ability yet.
Like why even bother explaining bloodletting
Name is Calico, mostly wear mono color
what a scam
If your not being sarcastic, Calico is a type of cat. She has and is a cat lady.
lmao fathom ult is just slark
7:09 batrider dota 2 lmao
infernus with literally napalm, firefly and bats passive: am i a joke to you?
SLORK
They look so fucking weird and clunky