I actually really liked Strange’s arc in this movie. His fixing of the watch at the end of the movie was a neat touch for me. He still had a lot of baggage between Christine and Endgame but now he’s not scared anymore - he understands he did far better than most Stranges because he is different, and now he’s ready to live life for the present.
@@Someguywithalotoftism I agree with everything you said. I loved the character arc, but they could have show more universes and gone further and I wish they had just done nore with the premise. Also Wanda was an amazing villain but how she was redeemed while making sense seemed just a bit weak at least in my opinion.
@@akongsupern00b1 I feel as if his arc would've been better if they actually took the time to establish Strange's dissatisfaction with life. I like them calling to attention Strange's problems with trust and inability to move forward but the movie is just so clumsy in portraying it. It's all tell, no show. It's the same thing with the multiverse versions of Strange in other universes. We are told the evils that they've commited but are never shown them. It's a problem with the movie as a whole. It wastes time on action scenes that would've been better spent building up the characters and making their motivations feel more tangible and believable. This movie is just shallow noise as it is, burying an interesting story under piles upon piles of pointless, contrived, mindless "fun".
I take Wanda not changing back to being a “good guy” after the darkhold being destroyed because she held on it since the end of WandaVision. Doctor Strange only had it for a lil while and he already had the eye thing that the darkhold Doctor strange had. They even said the longer the darkhold possess the more it corrupts the person it never said once the book is destroyed the person would no longer be corrupted
The theme of the movie was about how focusing on the things you don't have consumes you, Dr Strange longs for a life with Christine, Wanda longs for her kids. And Wanda is destroyed by it whilst Strange learns to accept his situation and be happy.
Definitely a constructive lesson for a character like Strange. Would've preferred if they did what Dylan was talking about though. Instead of Scarlet Witch being the antagonist they should have made Nightmare or Chthon be the main bad guy.
@@AGuyWithTheFace idk would’ve been kinda basic to juts have being controlled by a demon the whole time yk. I just like the multiversal version of herself and kids snap her out of it
I agree that strange accepts his situation but I dont think he is happy. I feel like strange asking Wong that question was him trying to justify to himself that its ok not to be happy. I could be totally off.
@@AGuyWithTheFace I agree honestly it feels like that's where they were going. Professor X says Wanda has lost control to scarlet witch. This could have been played as Cthon using her grief to cause her to search for a way to move through the multiverse. It also explains a better reason for killing and stealing powers from a child. Her current reason was my kids might get sick. Makes more sense if a comsic being is trying to use his millenia old ace up his sleeve to free himself from his prison. I bet the only reason they didn't do it here was because they used the same motivation for the Mandarin in Shang Chi. Wasting it there when it would have fit better here.
There’s a lotta valid criticism here and I respect it but you can’t say dr strange arc was the same. His arc in the first is it’s not all about you, in turn he learns to be a hero. In this movie it’s not being in control and having to be okay with reality, which is reflected in Wanda by her having to save her kids. In Wanda vision we watch the post breakdown of Wanda and what that looks like, and by the end she deals with visions death. In that show visions was terrified of her actions so it makes sense that a corrupted Wanda would try to find a way to have her kids but not vision. This also is just her retreading her grief but this time with the loss of her kids, not vision. The whole movies is about situations we’re not in control of down to americas powers. She and that are the main drive and by the end strange has to give up control to her so that everyone besides him can be safe, since he’s allready allowed himself to be corrupted. It’s not the greatest story telling but it’s very character driven and leaps off of the first dr strange movie more so than a lotta recent marvel sequels.
But in Infinity War Dr Strange getting to relinquish the Time stone to Thanos is him having to accept that he can't always be in control especially when he knew that he was gonna die in that movie. He had to literally trust every other hero that remained to do their parts to a fine T or else it would all fall apart. Thats him giving away control, It just wasn't on the nose in the Infinity war movie because of all the things that were happening in that movie.
@@legokgoxy3221 how is viewing the future trusting. When someone has a magic time stone I wouldn’t exactly call that faith in others more the fact he literally watched it play out
@@cl4-tpgaming He had faith because he wasn't sure that it was gonna happen the way he wanted, because even when he came back he still didn't want to ginx it by not just telling Tony and raising one finger to Tony when he asked if this was the one. Meaning even the slightest change in behavior or actions could seriously alter the corse of the entire fight. And mind you there was 5 years in between AIW and Endgame, 5 years were anything could have happened to negate all his plans and he wouldn't been there to stear it right or fix it so he had to relinquish alot of control and have faith that nothing happens to shift the timeline to one were everything goes wrong. The Quantum Van could have been taken to a scrap yard to be crushed instead of being taken toa storage facility. Iron Man could have died in space if Captain Marvel got there 5 minutes later. A myriad of things could have happened to mess it up and Im sure Dr Strange had to take all of that into consideration too before he made that decision. If he didn't want to relinquish control he could have been like Spiderman and said i can do this myself I know magic surely there is another way i didn't see because looking at probability, obviously he didn't go through every single possible event, but he went through enough to make a choice to either or relinquish power.🤷♂️🤷♂️
That really doesn’t change the point tho, will the movies release there or will future movies with Wong release there? If won’t never shows up in a Chinese film then your argument is right, but if he shows up ever there then there still is a possibility that’s the reason
I love ya Sal but that comment was really not ok, I'm sorry i know it may sound like I'm overly sensitive, but it didn't come off as a joke just a really bad comment your better then this Sal I'm disappointed.
I think Wong being the sorcerer supreme makes more sense. One he's been there longer, two he was in charge of the library, Three it makes him exposition and not Stephen Strange explaining everything to us, And lastly the coach is not the best player of the team hence why he's the leader and he makes all the big decisions.
I don't think Wandas growth was undone. Wanda has complex and long lasting trauma. Losing her kids during her last crisis was bound to impact her mental health and she turned to poor coping mechanisms which people with complex trauma often do. Being in that mental state whilst also corrupted by the dark hold would definitely explain her arc in this film. I think it's good to show how long lasting trauma is and how recovery is complex and never guaranteed.
Like she wants them so bad in this movie because she had them in wandavision, she now knows what's like to have them, to be with them, that's why she misses her kids, that's why she'll do Everything to get them back
I'm not necessarily convinced that John Krasinski is 100% confirmed as a permanent Reed Richards. When they get around to finally doing X-Men in the MCU it's pretty much guaranteed that Patrick Stewart won't be playing him. That's the logic I'm going with that we might still end up with a different actor in the Fantastic Four MCU film. I also think that it wasn't a great way to introduce Reed into the MCU for the first time - a multiversal variant that they end up killing off pretty quickly.
I think they did it pretty well, without leaving it too open for these specific versions to be the ones we attach to in the MCU. Obviously we will get our own Reed, our own Xavier and so forth, so of course they don’t want these versions to leak out of their world, they were really only there to set up the possibility of these characters existing on 616 in the future.
@@jrapny he was clearly meant as a tease/ set up not to have a significant role. He actually spoke more than I expected him to. As for OP, I actually do think he is the main cast and not because of how they set up the multiverse with the characters looking the same through the multiverses (even though that is clearly going to have to change once the xmen comes since they need a new Charles). But why else would they have changed director's for Fantastic four unless it was the deal that if he took the part he would be allowed to direct.
Idk I feel like if you look at Wanda's arc overall not just this movie it mirrors a lot of her comics counterpart. Wanda has been a villain and hero multiple times and she's been corrupted by the Darkhold and Cthon multiple times. And honestly it's in the characters bones to do these irredeemable acts. It's kind of the Scarlet Witches deal lol
Obviously we all love the comics here but pretending stuff about Wanda’s story in the comics was all good when there was stuff like how Wasp causes ‘Avengers: Disassembled’ just because she got drunk off Mai tais at the pool and asked Wanda where her kids went after they wiped her mind of them, or how Magneto just conveniently takes Wanda back to Genosha at the end of that story just so that the story can end without anyone fighting Wanda. This movie did some stuff that made it much less convoluted with regards to her transition to a bad guy, and I really appreciated that and how quickly they get to her villain reveal in the movie.
Incorrect, Wanda has been directly influenced by the Darkhold and Chthon only once in Avengers Witch of Wundagore Mountain arc in the 70s, and now again recently in the Darkhold comic but that was just written for synergy with the movie so it doesn’t count. Wanda was never truly a villain in the comics, she was mentally unstable over the losses in her life and she would never try to murder a child over it.
People say that Wanda's been a villain a ton of times, but outside of her beginnings as a reluctant member of the Brotherhood, and the handful of times Chthon took her over, I literally cannot think of anything besides Disassembled, and that was less of a conscious choice and more of a mental breakdown.
I enjoyed this movie a lot. the darkhold corrupting wanda made sense cause it evil and whatever so it could undo all of growth in wanda vision. strange arch was he learned to love so he can date the girl at the end xp. wish they didn't kill captain carter
Damn you guys are really jaded about your movie going experience. I actually LOVE when the theater interacts with the movie, it's the only time you're experiencing an event for the first time with others! You can watch it silently at home when it's on streaming.
@@TreasureFinderExvo That's in like a couple of months I got spoiled the the day it dropped multiple times when opening up the internet for school, when you wanna watch an mcu movie you gotta do it quickly or risk getting spoiled by article titles and youtube thumbnails.
This movie was rad as hell. The only problems with it was there shouldve been some sort of a bridge between Wandavision and Dr.strange where she really breaks bad and Professer X shouldve gotten a proper fight against Wanda in the astral plane instead of just a neck snap
@@criticclips1560 At no point did they say that you become uncorrupted when the darkhold is destroyed. In fact, Dr Strange having a third eye was also due to the darkhold's corruption even though every darkhold in the multiverse was already destroyed
I actually felt like I was getting hit over the head with Strange’s arc which to me was Me and all the versions of me are assholes who will sacrifice good people and destroy many universes and turn evil through our hubris instead of finding another way till the very end when he still risks turning evil and does put 616 on a path to destruction but at least he didn’t murder the girl for her power..
@@preheatedmusic3179 Their point in the video was that he didn't have much of an arc but my experience was different so that is the reason i said anything at all
For me, I live for the reactions at the theater opening night. it’s part of the experience of going to the theater Especially opening weekend of a marvel movie. My audience cheered for all the fun multiverse cameos
I actually like joyful moments in theaters and shocking moments. Spider-Man was great! however, my theater was dead silent which might have said more about the movie than the audience
I get the criticism of Wanda already overcame losing her children in WandaVision but my main argument is that things are easier said than done. People can say they are over the death of a loved one or a lifelong addiction in one moment yet later still fall back into those memories or habits all the same, for me it made her character more real because she basically kept the lie of “oh I’m fine” when really she wasn’t.
I know what you mean i mean if you ask anyone in the world if they would want to be reunited with a love one from even 5 years of losing them, they will say yes, you can overcome grife and lost but not the love you have for someone especially a child. And for wanda it was very recent too maybe even a few months to a year and the wounds are still fresh.
"WhAt aRe PeOPle ClaPPing AbOUt!?" Um, they're having F-U-N. Now those who have their phones on and are texting or whatever, screw them! lol I had to tell some guy to turn his off with his stupid bright light! Would give the movie a 6 out of 10.
I'd love to see the unhinged Raimi cut. It felt like you could feel the cuts from time to time. Lots going on, but loved the Strange and Wanda stuff, and the crazy -redacted- reveal
I think the Captain Carter from MoM and What If are different. I think she's just a Variant to invoke that character, the same way Xavier wasn't the same from the X-Men show or movies, bur invokes both. Though, it is worth pointing out that Captain Carter in What If was last seen in 2014, doing her version of The Winter Soldier, where the MCU is in 2026. So, she still has story to tell before she dies, if she even is the same one.
Not gonna lie I had no idea that Black Bolt’s mask was CG before you pointed it out. And I wasn’t the only person. So the “it looks awful” argument doesn’t hold much water.
I think it’s pretty clear as to why Dr. Strange is not the sorcerer supreme. He may be powerful but he doesn’t even know books in this movie are real. If gaining the title of sorcerer supreme doesn’t give you a power up, it needs to go to the strongest and most knowledgeable. Dr. Strange showed how much he was lacking in the knowledgeable department this movie. Yet wong is in many movies helping and has lots of knowledge to help in this movie. And he’s capable.
No this is a white supremacist strategy to push the title on other races but to maintain the true power for yourself. Just like Chris Evans making Falcon Captain America, he didn't deserve it, but it's all about symbolism being more substantial than substance. It's a white supremacist move used to flatter your enemy into servitude. It's fake humility. So Wong is only Sorcerer Supreme nominally, but we all know who the real SS is. Another example before you come with your disbelief bs, Barack Obama and Kamala Harris. No power, just symbolism.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 ok. You really didn’t address any of my points and just added what you think. I’m not saying your reply is untrue I just don’t see how your reply is a retort to my comment. Go off tho.
Wong knew the boom existed because he was sorcerer supreme and had 5 years to catch up on all this knowledge while dr strange was dusted. Plus when they where fighting Wanda at taj mahul dr strange knew exactly how to fight and counter Wanda not wong
I think John Krasinski being in this movie is actually proof that he won't be playing Reed Richards, otherwise, what's the point of killing him off so quickly and easily? In fact, I think the whole of The Illuminati is just quick fan service to say "that thing you want? Fuck it, those guys are losers"
I think it carries on from Wandavision like she realise her mistake in wandavision but doesn’t mean the grief leave her plus in the post credits of wandavision she was playing with the dark hold thing
It's good that they got the guy from the inhumans show to play black bolt again. The show itself was just horrible and terrible, bit the only two things that were good was two casting choices, the actor for Black bolt and the actor used for Karnak. Those two actors did the best they could with the material and it's awesome they brother back the black bolt actor and I hope they use both actors again for the parts. The rest of the actors, meh, recast then. But keep black bolt and Karnak if they decide to do more inhumans.
Autoplay does que up videos, so sometimes I have no idea a spoiler discussion is going to start. For somereason, if I leave music playing on Auto for more than a few hours, I keep getting sent to the Injustice year 4 video from Benny. I've watched it like 15 times while gaming the last few months.
@@Red-zh7vq No rational person should read Cosmic Book News which is a conservative aggregator site that wants to be critical of Disney and always looks for negativity as a gotcha. You know, the site that called Toy Story 4 The Last Jedi of the Star Wars franchise which was unbelievably stupid and actually reported on the fake cuts story for The Rise of Skywalker with a George Lucas version testing the best. Just utter insanity. 80% of the movie wasn’t reshot. The entire plot leaked in October and then again in November. Now the reshoots were extensive at 6 days a week. However, fun fact, the plot leaks prior to the reshoots all matched up other than replacing a certain Illuminati member which didn’t sound real anyways with Bruce Campbell playing one of them where he was Thor’s brother. Read that Hollywood Reporter article again by the way. There are differing opinions from people involved which of course Cosmic Book News wouldn’t mention. I’ll even link it for you with the quotes and 2 weeks of it was principal photography due to an actor’s availability. “We’ve had bigger reshoots on other MCU movies,” another insider says. However, other sources raised their eyebrows at the six-week time frame. “They’re here until the end of the year. That’s like a whole other movie,” says one. “One insider says about two weeks are dedicated to principal photography that wasn’t completed during the initial, U.K.-based shoot due to what is described as actor availability issues. The insider also dismissed concerns that the reshoots were related to retooling the story.” www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/doctor-strange-multiverse-madness-reshoots-1235045328/amp/
Xavier comes in and they played the ‘92 animated series music, but in the credits it’s listed as ‘97 X-men Theme. So what we heard was the Disney version? Also I love that Sal has a Sleepwalker figure
I think it's funny how 2 of them complain that nobody cares for DS love interest but also complain about how they don't get much about America's love interest. Do either of them matter tho!?😂
@Spin Once again, that’s weird to do that and pretty sad. I would hope you have friends to discuss movies with where if you don’t, that sucks. There’s movie groups online that are out there. You realize Stuckmann did that because he is making a movie himself, right? He used to be very critical of a movie or show that he did not like, but now doesn’t do that because he is now a contemporary of other filmmakers. That’s not a great example honestly. Go down the rabbit hole of his Hilariocities which are great and watch his most hated movie ever one which is the atrocious Dragonball Evolution. He destroyed merchandise in the Hilariocity he did for that movie and burned it. I would agree that the criticism wasn’t good especially with Dylan’s rant about the LGBT+ representation. Sal saying two thumbs down and acting like the movie was terrible was certainly overblown. They were oddly very emotional. I do think part of it is Tiffany as a super fan of Doctor Strange who clearly didn’t like it from her tweet where that does influence him. They both loved Eternals even though from a filmmaking and plot standpoint, Eternals is much worse. Shang-Chi’s third act isn’t good where Katy hits the one impressive shot with her arrow which they accepted, but yet they criticized America with using her power to end this movie. There is inconsistency there for sure.
@Spin Oh, I see what you are talking about now. Yeah, that’s rude to just rant about a movie out of nowhere if the person isn’t interested in listening to it. It’s different if they were genuinely interested in your thoughts on the movie. Stuckmann would be critical of movies still even with one’s coming out that he didn’t like where he had his Rise of Skywalker review of course and did his Rogue One analysis later with criticizing the opening. There is The Haunting of Sharon Tate which he called atrocious and gave an F. He didn’t have an issue giving those grades to movies as they were coming out until he became a filmmaker. Jeremy Jahns isn’t the most analytical when it comes to his reviews, but he still criticizes movies he doesn’t like. I really enjoy Red Letter Media’s reviews. If it’s not mean spirited, I’m fine with it. None of them are. America having a pin is fine and she isn’t going to find a love interest while on the run and say she is gay while on the run. That would come out of nowhere and have no relevance with what is going on in the story. Cue the “How is this helping?” line from No Way Home. Saying Doctor Strange had the same arc as the first movie and Wanda had the same arc as WandaVision is categorically wrong. Wanda was corrupted by the Darkhold which she was using for around a year. WandaVision was 3 weeks after Endgame and Far From Home was set 8 months after Endgame. Then No Way Home was set after Halloween where it was at least November so that’s another 3 months easily. Like just do the math and it being destroyed doesn’t mean she would suddenly revert back. “We have removed the drugs from the drag addict and the drug addict is now not going to do drugs anymore.” Yeah, that’s not how that works.
I was really pissed bc Wednesday night RUclips was recommended me videos of the Illuminati killing doctor strange. The movie didn’t even come out and I already got it spoiled for me. RUclips needs to fix this bc the same thing happened to me for No Way Home
If you just say not interested for content, you won’t get things recommended to you so that’s on you for watching Doctor Strange and Spider-Man related videos honestly. I didn’t get anything like that recommended to me since I know how the RUclips algorithm works.
I feel like the best part of watching marvel movies on the premiere weekend is the energy and hype of the crowd. Watching at home is nice but when everyone cheers in the theater, you feel like you’re apart of a community. Sucks that you guys don’t enjoy that but I enjoyed the review 🤝
To clarify something Benny said near the end. I too wanted Magik in this, since they've been giving Wanda some of her stuff and setting up how her powers work for some time now in the MCU. But, Illyana does not open portals with her sword. Her sword can open portals, but that is only really useful to other people who wield her soul sword. Magik's base mutant ability is the creation of stepping discs, which are portals plus a little extra. Not really saying Benny should know this, since there is at least one X-Men run in the last decade where the writer/artist/editor did not get how her powers work at all. Its not like she's been consistently on an X-Men team since Schism until the Hickman Krakoa arc started. Even Bendis knew how she worked and knew enough to push her story forward in an interesting way during his otherwise mediocre X-Men run. Sorry, been holding that rant in for a few years and it seemed it needed to come out. Suffice to say I want Illyana in these movies and there were 2 huge missed opportunities, both America and Clea could be replaced by her with a few tweaks to the story, but the MCU seems to hardcore not be willing to start introducing their own mutants. I don't get what they're waiting on.
It’s called Reverting right and getting everything correct! This is a big business! You can imagine how people are! Like my grandad 👴 told me he drew A X-men character and y’all only give him pennies and seeing these movies makes billions!!
The more I think about the movie, honestly the less I like it. I'm still in the Benny camp but Dylan and Sal definitely have my ear. I'm just so sick of the MCU not having any teeth in their projects but I still think the movie was alright standard MCU affair.
My theater popped everytime something dark… happened (if you’ve seen-you know), or jump scare--it was literally the ideal. I think if you go opening night you gotta expect it, but man it’s so easy for people to take it too far and ruin the movie. (Edit. The second I can make out a full sentence an audience member speaks In the theater, it’s been taken too far and I’m probably pissed)
Idk it may just be me but I've never seen Wanda as a hero. She has been on the Avengers and trying to be but her character has always seems to be the cause of problems in most of the movies. I didn't like Wandavision when it came out but this movie made me kind of like it more now cause it setup the full decline of your sanity.
With just a guess before watching the video I’m going to guess that Dylan didn’t like the movie, Benny did like the movie, and Sal appreciated elements of it but overall wasn’t impressed. Let’s see how I do Edit: I was exactly right
Good review. I loved the film, but respect your opinions. Few thoughts.... I think this is a glorified audition for Krasinski as Reed. Nothing signed, but there testing the waters. 38:06 Introducing a new key character so late into the movie just wouldn't work from a narrative pov. it would only befit us a fans, and tbh just wouldn't work when you look at how that character was used.
I didn't get a chance to mention it because we moved on, but I specifically wanted to state that I'm glad she didn't have a love interest in the movie. It would've made the movie even more bloated. I'm not annoyed that she didn't outwardly show her sexuality, I'm just annoyed by the noncommittal set-dressing of a pride pin stuck to her jacket. In a vacuum, whatever, but coming from Disney it bothers me.
They missed the part where Charles Xavier is from the 90s show universe because of his yellow chair which was only there and the ost that played when he entered the room
That was just a cool Easter egg. He was not from that universe because that universe has Captain America from the Spider-Man show and there was never a Captain Carter.
You guys had great points but you guys are basically asking for a 4 Hour movie if you want every single character development. Also does Sal even Like CB movies?
My biggest issue with the movie is the same issue I’ve had with Phase 4, the movies/shows just keep ending abruptly, you think you’re in wrap up and then it just ends
They have no idea what they’re doing. They’re only now trying to figure out what the future of the MCU is. But after this and Loki they’ve just freakin destroyed the fabric of the continuity. And with the assassination of characters in Falcon/WS and the other shows, the MCU is dead. The normies might keep the train running a few more years but they’ve ruined it all. They killed it like they killed Star Wars. These franchises are dead.
I wouldn't say they have no clue. They clearly want to build to Secret Wars. Though I agree that things have been uneven. I believe it's them just trying to build things up after Endgame.
@@Red-zh7vq I keep hearing about death of Star Wars since prequels. Marvel keeps getting more cash than any other company in movie market and keeps general success. One thing to dislike things and other is foretelling the end of things for 25 time in hope of being right this time.
I'm being nitpicky about this video lol and am just commenting on things I disagree with that they say in this video. but it kind of feels like a lot of things in this movie just flew over their head (Dr.Strange arc)/ they don't really understand how people work (Wandas Trauma) or are just being a little too pessimistic with some bad takes (in my opinion) about the film. Wanda has insane amount of trauma, plus darkhold corrupted her, also at the end of Wandavision she wasn't just magically fixed and over everything, she was def a little more over visions death but now has the pain of having, raising and the losing her children. which the book probably took advantage of. People are flawed and slip up and have to relearn things sometimes. Also, whether liked or not there was defiantly some "destiny" stuff with Wanda going on as well, and by the time the darkhold was destroyed she was clearly to far gone and dead set on her mission for that to matter, she wanted her kids back and was willing to do anything to get them. ( none of them being parents I guess its easy for them to miss/not understand that). Also she doesn't ask Wong where the other darkhold is and there just happens to be one she asks him to tell her the spells because being the sorcerer supreme she assumes he knows all the spells, but agreed the fact that the book just happen to be the copy and the original was in some unknown mountain top was bad, It would have been better if she just tortured/ mind raped Wong into getting the information with everything happening on the mountain later in the film just happening at Kamar-taj, with few tweaks. Wong has been there longer and has more respect from all the other sorcerers and of course strange being gone for 5 years so of course he is in charge, we also see in the movie that in every other universe where Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme things don't go well. Yes there is a London and China branch that was in the first movie how is that a surprise? The complaint about not delving into Americas sexuality was just a really stupid and kind of childish rant to begin with, She isn't the main character she is a plot device in this film and No one went to see this movie to see a 16 year old girls sexual identity to begin with, there is no need to express it in this film because it doesn't matter within the contexts of the movie anyways because she is being hunted like an animal for her powers. Also I guess Eternals doesn't exist because Openly Gay character in that film. other people have stated Stranges arc in the comments but again seems to go over their heads/ they don't really get his arc because it really isn't the exact same arc he had in the first film, like they keep stating it is. This is long enough so im gonna stop here but they are really way to picky about this film.
Idk if they'll do this but during a Young Avengers run (the version with Loki and America), they fought evil versions of their mothers, so maybe America's mothers will turn up there.
I loved it! I like the horror and all the action. Side note did anyone else see they replaced tony stark snapping during the opening marvel credits with dr strange? or just me??
Glad you all gave it a chance, after seeing the movie a second time I can see some of the faults sal Benny and Dylan showed but its dr strange what can ya do. Hope you guys keep giving us your commentary on all things marvel and dc. love ya guys
The Movie was good I loved the horror theme and the cameos and it was rather fun but in the end it was rather disappointing I feel like it was over hyped for me.
Complains that America doesn't address her love life but also has a problem with Strange addressing his lovelife? I enjoyed the movie certainly liked it more than the first Dr. Strange.
tbh having a character be lgbtq doesn't really change anything nor adds to a characters personality other than sexual preference which would make it unneeded. I would rather worry about how to stop an insane villain with immense magical power rather than a person dating the same gender.
When they gonna show The Illuminations I thought to see Ironman, Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt, Namor and Professor X (I mean we see three of them but I thought Ironman because there armies are Ultrons maybe even see The Superior Ironman and Namor)
I actually really like this movie, cuz I don't like Dr Strange but love Sam Rami movies so I was kinda happy it seemed like marvel let the reigns lose more than they usually do. My main issue with the film was it was the oppitame of a elseworld story. Unnecessary gruesome deaths of beloved characters, crazy cool concepts that look good but don't go anywhere, and a story that Ultima doesn't really matter to the larger narrative. Solid 7 outta 10 tho
I like Steven's character arc and what they did with Wanda, but I was still kinda disappointed. They had the chance to go balls to the walls full-on trippy Jack Kirby with their universes, but it was blink and its over and I'm just so disappointed because I'm the comics there was some really awsome weird and off the wall shit going on and it should be reflected on the movies. For me the movie was a 3.5 out of 5
When Wanda broke into the Baxter building, it felt like Reed and Xavier died too fast; black bolt's death made sense and there wasn't anything they could do without magic. However, Reed can control his body to the cell it'd been cool if she grabs him and he just barely escapes by becoming liquid-like, so her attack is harder to finish or not as effective on him. His death also hurt the movie because she just could've done that to Captain Carter anytime, she's just Captain America with a jetpack she still has to get close to Wanda like Reed in order to attack. For Xavier, he should've been a bigger challenge to Wanda since he is the strongest telepath and telepathy is just a secondary power for Wanda. At the very least, it should be a stalemate being its her first mental battle and she wins because she uses magic to split her conscious (like at the end of Wandavision) and maybe she needs to use a lot of her magic within the mind plane to keep up with Xavier so she just snaps his neck with her hands while her other conscious is stuck fighting Xavier. Maybe this has a temporary strain on her magic, her other conscious is a bit beat up so her powers are off, or its taking some time for all of her conscious to escape xaviers mind because of the amt of magic used. This would explain why she didn't use the move that killed Reed on them when she was chasing them.
It wasn’t my favorite MCU product, far from the worst. Some of the points in this review were honestly insane rambling like the pin and the audience. This movie feels like the a Rami movie. The visuals, the over involved extras, some of the gruesome scenes compared to most MCU projects, and literally using a book of the dead. Phase 4 has been pretty middling overall. But I’ll give it for being unique and they are trying new things to see what sticks. I hope phase 5 is more thought out. We’ll probably look back on this phase of the MCU as a necessary grimy step before we get to the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
in regards to the wanda stuff, I initially thought they'd be a reveal that there is scarlet witch entity in the multiverse and every dark hold connects to them or something hence why fully using it changes you and itd end fighting her
Also maybe Captain Carter isn't the one from What If, what if she's an alternate version of that character? Unless they confirmed she's straight from What If.
To be fair Red skull in What if definitely talked about summoning “Hydras Champion” which would most likely be Hive from Agents of SHIELD and the comics. At least it made sense to me
Al Ewing did some great things with America Chavez in Ultimates. She was a main protagonist and the leader of the team in Ultimates 2. She is generally considered a multiversal expert And Afro-Latina, but that's a whole other thing.
I've said for a while that the D+ Marvel shows are wheel spinning at its finest. Sam Wilson is implied to become Captain America after Endgame, then we get a show for him to reject then become Captain America. Wanda grieves and is evil(ish) in WandaVision then we repeat it in this. The multiverse is implied to exist in other MCU projects, but then the Loki show says there isn't so they can make the multiverse at the end of the show. The only two to do anything significant are Hawkeye and Moon Knight but they have their own problems.
Marvel has well and truly embraced the realm of psychological turmoil and mind-bending narratives, first by conjuring up the infinite possibilities of the multiverse in “Spiderman: No Way Home (2021)” and then following that up with the nerve-rackingly psychedelic “Moon Knight” series. The Master of the Mystic Arts faces the repercussion of his multiverse- antics in this eerily engaging visual extravaganza, with a decadent amount of surprise guest appearances and a poignant storyline that will closely resonate with fans of the MCU. Veteran auteur Sam Raimi returns to the director’s chair in “Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness” after having spearheaded the rise of the genre with his groundbreaking “Spider-Man” trilogy (2002-07) starring Tobey Maguire. The aesthetically arresting style of the director combined with two ace performers in Oscar-nominee Benedict Cumberbatch and Elizabeth Olsen deliver a riveting saga of coping with loss and the universe-altering ends one will go to to repair a broken heart. We join Doctor Strange after the events of No Way Home, having encountered a mysterious traveller “America Chavez” (an excellent Xochitl Gomez) who reached our version of Earth after being chased across multiverses by a mysterious unknown entity. Strange, alongside the Sorcerer Supreme, Wong (Benedict Wong) embark on a journey across the known and unknown universe and across the legends of sorcery and witchcraft to get to the truth, recruiting a morose “Scarlett Witch” (Olsen), still reeling after her tumultuous sojourn in the Disney+ series, “Wanda Vision”. Cumberbatch is a revelation as Dr. Strange, portraying the angst and confusion of a man who returned after getting 5 years of his life erased away by Thanos’ snap, with elan. He finds that the world has moved on in his absence, especially his lover, Christine (Rachel McAdams) and we get to see the human side of the world’s most powerful sorcerer and he comes to grips with his predicaments. As Dr. Strange embarks across a perilous adventure across multiverses, we get to see the immense range of Cumberbatch in full flow, with the nuances and intricacies he brings to each version of the master sorcerer in the different worlds we visit, a joy to behold. Elizabeth Olsen continues the fine form she displayed in “Wanda Vision”, delivering a perfectly balanced performance that is equal parts poignant and powerful. Oscar-nominee Chiewetel Ejiofor returns as Dr. Strange’s bête noire, “Mordo”, in a short but impactful cameo. Without giving much away, let me just say that the dizzying array of other surprise cameos not only provide several whistle-worthy moments in the theatre but also gel in well with the narrative structure. Doctor Strange’s second stand-alone movie is a fitting addition to Marvel’s darker, murkier Phase 4 where we get to explore the inner psyche of our heroes at a deeper level and is more reliant on its performance than being spectacle-driven. That being said, the CGI and visual effects are nothing short of mesmerizing as we journey along with our heroes across multiverses, with the storyline opening up an infinite array of potential spin-offs and future tie-ins featuring our favourite heroes from franchises long past as well as promising new ones down the line. A must-watch in theatres. Highly recommended! And do watch out for one mid-credits scene as well as an end-credits one.
I actually really liked Strange’s arc in this movie. His fixing of the watch at the end of the movie was a neat touch for me. He still had a lot of baggage between Christine and Endgame but now he’s not scared anymore - he understands he did far better than most Stranges because he is different, and now he’s ready to live life for the present.
I agree with you but the rest of the movie I'm pretty meh on
@@Someguywithalotoftism I agree with everything you said. I loved the character arc, but they could have show more universes and gone further and I wish they had just done nore with the premise. Also Wanda was an amazing villain but how she was redeemed while making sense seemed just a bit weak at least in my opinion.
The movie was awful, just because they threw some things in doesn't make up for that. "Oh the watch from the first film" stop being led astray
@@theconsciousobserver6829 Ok, interesting point of view, care to elaborate? Why am I being “led astray”?
@@akongsupern00b1 I feel as if his arc would've been better if they actually took the time to establish Strange's dissatisfaction with life. I like them calling to attention Strange's problems with trust and inability to move forward but the movie is just so clumsy in portraying it. It's all tell, no show. It's the same thing with the multiverse versions of Strange in other universes. We are told the evils that they've commited but are never shown them. It's a problem with the movie as a whole. It wastes time on action scenes that would've been better spent building up the characters and making their motivations feel more tangible and believable. This movie is just shallow noise as it is, burying an interesting story under piles upon piles of pointless, contrived, mindless "fun".
I take Wanda not changing back to being a “good guy” after the darkhold being destroyed because she held on it since the end of WandaVision. Doctor Strange only had it for a lil while and he already had the eye thing that the darkhold Doctor strange had. They even said the longer the darkhold possess the more it corrupts the person it never said once the book is destroyed the person would no longer be corrupted
Overall this movie was just plain fun! Fun as all hell!
The theme of the movie was about how focusing on the things you don't have consumes you, Dr Strange longs for a life with Christine, Wanda longs for her kids. And Wanda is destroyed by it whilst Strange learns to accept his situation and be happy.
Idk why it seems a lot of people don’t get this or likes it I guess. Thought it was a little heartwarming especially for Strange’s character
Definitely a constructive lesson for a character like Strange. Would've preferred if they did what Dylan was talking about though. Instead of Scarlet Witch being the antagonist they should have made Nightmare or Chthon be the main bad guy.
@@AGuyWithTheFace idk would’ve been kinda basic to juts have being controlled by a demon the whole time yk. I just like the multiversal version of herself and kids snap her out of it
I agree that strange accepts his situation but I dont think he is happy. I feel like strange asking Wong that question was him trying to justify to himself that its ok not to be happy. I could be totally off.
@@AGuyWithTheFace I agree honestly it feels like that's where they were going. Professor X says Wanda has lost control to scarlet witch. This could have been played as Cthon using her grief to cause her to search for a way to move through the multiverse. It also explains a better reason for killing and stealing powers from a child. Her current reason was my kids might get sick. Makes more sense if a comsic being is trying to use his millenia old ace up his sleeve to free himself from his prison.
I bet the only reason they didn't do it here was because they used the same motivation for the Mandarin in Shang Chi. Wasting it there when it would have fit better here.
There’s a lotta valid criticism here and I respect it but you can’t say dr strange arc was the same. His arc in the first is it’s not all about you, in turn he learns to be a hero. In this movie it’s not being in control and having to be okay with reality, which is reflected in Wanda by her having to save her kids.
In Wanda vision we watch the post breakdown of Wanda and what that looks like, and by the end she deals with visions death. In that show visions was terrified of her actions so it makes sense that a corrupted Wanda would try to find a way to have her kids but not vision. This also is just her retreading her grief but this time with the loss of her kids, not vision.
The whole movies is about situations we’re not in control of down to americas powers. She and that are the main drive and by the end strange has to give up control to her so that everyone besides him can be safe, since he’s allready allowed himself to be corrupted. It’s not the greatest story telling but it’s very character driven and leaps off of the first dr strange movie more so than a lotta recent marvel sequels.
100% agree
Yes i agree 100%
But in Infinity War Dr Strange getting to relinquish the Time stone to Thanos is him having to accept that he can't always be in control especially when he knew that he was gonna die in that movie. He had to literally trust every other hero that remained to do their parts to a fine T or else it would all fall apart. Thats him giving away control, It just wasn't on the nose in the Infinity war movie because of all the things that were happening in that movie.
@@legokgoxy3221 how is viewing the future trusting. When someone has a magic time stone I wouldn’t exactly call that faith in others more the fact he literally watched it play out
@@cl4-tpgaming He had faith because he wasn't sure that it was gonna happen the way he wanted, because even when he came back he still didn't want to ginx it by not just telling Tony and raising one finger to Tony when he asked if this was the one. Meaning even the slightest change in behavior or actions could seriously alter the corse of the entire fight. And mind you there was 5 years in between AIW and Endgame, 5 years were anything could have happened to negate all his plans and he wouldn't been there to stear it right or fix it so he had to relinquish alot of control and have faith that nothing happens to shift the timeline to one were everything goes wrong.
The Quantum Van could have been taken to a scrap yard to be crushed instead of being taken toa storage facility.
Iron Man could have died in space if Captain Marvel got there 5 minutes later.
A myriad of things could have happened to mess it up and Im sure Dr Strange had to take all of that into consideration too before he made that decision. If he didn't want to relinquish control he could have been like Spiderman and said i can do this myself I know magic surely there is another way i didn't see because looking at probability, obviously he didn't go through every single possible event, but he went through enough to make a choice to either or relinquish power.🤷♂️🤷♂️
SAL, Wong isn't Sorcerer Supreme because of China. Literally SMNWH and DSMOM haven't released in China. So there wld be no point
Yeah found his comment out of place. Ill blame it on him being from jersey.
@@DoomerMavsFan im from jersey and I found his comment to be out of pocket
@@andrewedwards3005 My apologies to those from jersey.
That really doesn’t change the point tho, will the movies release there or will future movies with Wong release there? If won’t never shows up in a Chinese film then your argument is right, but if he shows up ever there then there still is a possibility that’s the reason
I love ya Sal but that comment was really not ok, I'm sorry i know it may sound like I'm overly sensitive, but it didn't come off as a joke just a really bad comment your better then this Sal I'm disappointed.
I think Wong being the sorcerer supreme makes more sense. One he's been there longer, two he was in charge of the library, Three it makes him exposition and not Stephen Strange explaining everything to us, And lastly the coach is not the best player of the team hence why he's the leader and he makes all the big decisions.
And it keeps him from turning into a sidekick which I think they would also complain about lol
Ok I’m glad I’m not the only person dosen’t have a problem with it.
Wong only became in charge of the library a week before Strange showed up
@@batmanvsuperman_ Becoming a librarian was just another task he was in Karma taj long hence have more experience in sorcery.
I don't think Wandas growth was undone. Wanda has complex and long lasting trauma. Losing her kids during her last crisis was bound to impact her mental health and she turned to poor coping mechanisms which people with complex trauma often do. Being in that mental state whilst also corrupted by the dark hold would definitely explain her arc in this film. I think it's good to show how long lasting trauma is and how recovery is complex and never guaranteed.
I agree with all that, strange that they did that again since that was the entire plot of Wanda visions
Like she wants them so bad in this movie because she had them in wandavision, she now knows what's like to have them, to be with them, that's why she misses her kids, that's why she'll do Everything to get them back
I agree.
Wanda is STILL kinda 'tweaky', in the comics.
She’ll come back in some weird way. Tbh
I did not think they’d go so hard on the Illuminati death scene. I dropped my jaw when Black Bolt died like that.
I actually gasped at that. Like damn that was brutal.
That was legitimately pretty brutal.
Best part of the movie to me.
I appreciated it cuz it fits with the themes of some Doc Strange comics. The whole fight scene felt different.
I'm not necessarily convinced that John Krasinski is 100% confirmed as a permanent Reed Richards. When they get around to finally doing X-Men in the MCU it's pretty much guaranteed that Patrick Stewart won't be playing him. That's the logic I'm going with that we might still end up with a different actor in the Fantastic Four MCU film. I also think that it wasn't a great way to introduce Reed into the MCU for the first time - a multiversal variant that they end up killing off pretty quickly.
Yea I agree, Reed should’ve at least had some more lines in the movie
Honestly I think just putting him in there is perfect. Like he WOULD be on the Illuminati.
I think they did it pretty well, without leaving it too open for these specific versions to be the ones we attach to in the MCU. Obviously we will get our own Reed, our own Xavier and so forth, so of course they don’t want these versions to leak out of their world, they were really only there to set up the possibility of these characters existing on 616 in the future.
I think they are treating this like a glorified audition for John. Casting Patrick in a rebooted franchise would be a horrible idea.
@@jrapny he was clearly meant as a tease/ set up not to have a significant role. He actually spoke more than I expected him to.
As for OP, I actually do think he is the main cast and not because of how they set up the multiverse with the characters looking the same through the multiverses (even though that is clearly going to have to change once the xmen comes since they need a new Charles). But why else would they have changed director's for Fantastic four unless it was the deal that if he took the part he would be allowed to direct.
Idk I feel like if you look at Wanda's arc overall not just this movie it mirrors a lot of her comics counterpart. Wanda has been a villain and hero multiple times and she's been corrupted by the Darkhold and Cthon multiple times. And honestly it's in the characters bones to do these irredeemable acts. It's kind of the Scarlet Witches deal lol
I'm surprised how these guys miss this type of stuff all the time
@@husseinrose4883 it's kinda of hilarious
Obviously we all love the comics here but pretending stuff about Wanda’s story in the comics was all good when there was stuff like how Wasp causes ‘Avengers: Disassembled’ just because she got drunk off Mai tais at the pool and asked Wanda where her kids went after they wiped her mind of them, or how Magneto just conveniently takes Wanda back to Genosha at the end of that story just so that the story can end without anyone fighting Wanda. This movie did some stuff that made it much less convoluted with regards to her transition to a bad guy, and I really appreciated that and how quickly they get to her villain reveal in the movie.
Incorrect, Wanda has been directly influenced by the Darkhold and Chthon only once in Avengers Witch of Wundagore Mountain arc in the 70s, and now again recently in the Darkhold comic but that was just written for synergy with the movie so it doesn’t count. Wanda was never truly a villain in the comics, she was mentally unstable over the losses in her life and she would never try to murder a child over it.
People say that Wanda's been a villain a ton of times, but outside of her beginnings as a reluctant member of the Brotherhood, and the handful of times Chthon took her over, I literally cannot think of anything besides Disassembled, and that was less of a conscious choice and more of a mental breakdown.
Its shown at the end of WandaVision she's still using the Darkhold to look for her children
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Benny- Good Movie
Sal- Not a fan
Dylan- THIS FUCKING OFFENSIVE SHIT IS THE MOST DISGUSTING MOVIE I’VE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE
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I can't believe Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness killed my wife
@@AuramAlexander Found the secret America Chavez's mom account? Glad one of you survived! =P
@@Bananahammock681 representation is for narcissists
The scene where the illuminati killed Dr. Strange looked like a nod to Death of X (Blackbolt & Cyclops.) That scene is framed just like the comic.
I enjoyed this movie a lot. the darkhold corrupting wanda made sense cause it evil and whatever so it could undo all of growth in wanda vision. strange arch was he learned to love so he can date the girl at the end xp. wish they didn't kill captain carter
I love sal so much. His deadpan stare at the camera talking about why Stephen isn’t sorcerer supreme
Damn you guys are really jaded about your movie going experience. I actually LOVE when the theater interacts with the movie, it's the only time you're experiencing an event for the first time with others! You can watch it silently at home when it's on streaming.
I paid to watch the movie not to hear a bunch of people cheering.
@@joshheralal8758 you paid to watch the movie in a communal setting with other people
@@HunterOfGremlins98 fr like just wait till it drops for streaming then
@@TreasureFinderExvo That's in like a couple of months I got spoiled the the day it dropped multiple times when opening up the internet for school, when you wanna watch an mcu movie you gotta do it quickly or risk getting spoiled by article titles and youtube thumbnails.
@@ILoveLuvia And staying off the internet is no longer an option, people need the internet for everything short of making toast, now.
The movie was way better than I thought itd be with the villain being the best part
We should rename this to 2 guys complain while 1 watches, at least it rotates.
This movie was rad as hell. The only problems with it was there shouldve been some sort of a bridge between Wandavision and Dr.strange where she really breaks bad and Professer X shouldve gotten a proper fight against Wanda in the astral plane instead of just a neck snap
i wasn’t a big fan of this movie but i think sal n dylan are being way too harsh on it
Agree. I understand why someone wouldn't like it but hating it is too much
They explained several times that the reason Wanda went bad again was the Darkhold. The ending of WandaVision also made it obvious.
@@criticclips1560 At no point did they say that you become uncorrupted when the darkhold is destroyed. In fact, Dr Strange having a third eye was also due to the darkhold's corruption even though every darkhold in the multiverse was already destroyed
@@criticclips1560 She was using the Darkhold for a year. It’s not a switch that just turns off.
I actually felt like I was getting hit over the head with Strange’s arc which to me was Me and all the versions of me are assholes who will sacrifice good people and destroy many universes and turn evil through our hubris instead of finding another way till the very end when he still risks turning evil and does put 616 on a path to destruction but at least he didn’t murder the girl for her power..
I mean it is a Dr strange movie 😂
@@preheatedmusic3179 Their point in the video was that he didn't have much of an arc but my experience was different so that is the reason i said anything at all
For me, I live for the reactions at the theater opening night. it’s part of the experience of going to the theater
Especially opening weekend of a marvel movie. My audience cheered for all the fun multiverse cameos
I agree, although it is frustrating when they cheer at things that were in the trailer and/or openly marketed
Wouldn’t you rather want to hear the dialogue and actually understand the fucking movie?
@@Red-zh7vq you can watch it again
I actually like joyful moments in theaters and shocking moments. Spider-Man was great! however, my theater was dead silent which might have said more about the movie than the audience
@@onifrancis1566 I’m PAYING to watch it now
I get the criticism of Wanda already overcame losing her children in WandaVision but my main argument is that things are easier said than done. People can say they are over the death of a loved one or a lifelong addiction in one moment yet later still fall back into those memories or habits all the same, for me it made her character more real because she basically kept the lie of “oh I’m fine” when really she wasn’t.
I know what you mean i mean if you ask anyone in the world if they would want to be reunited with a love one from even 5 years of losing them, they will say yes, you can overcome grife and lost but not the love you have for someone especially a child. And for wanda it was very recent too maybe even a few months to a year and the wounds are still fresh.
"WhAt aRe PeOPle ClaPPing AbOUt!?" Um, they're having F-U-N. Now those who have their phones on and are texting or whatever, screw them! lol I had to tell some guy to turn his off with his stupid bright light!
Would give the movie a 6 out of 10.
Exactly I give it a 7 too much Sam R. For me! I don’t watch a movie because of a director! His vision is not greater and than the MCU storyline!
I'd love to see the unhinged Raimi cut. It felt like you could feel the cuts from time to time. Lots going on, but loved the Strange and Wanda stuff, and the crazy -redacted- reveal
I think the Captain Carter from MoM and What If are different. I think she's just a Variant to invoke that character, the same way Xavier wasn't the same from the X-Men show or movies, bur invokes both. Though, it is worth pointing out that Captain Carter in What If was last seen in 2014, doing her version of The Winter Soldier, where the MCU is in 2026. So, she still has story to tell before she dies, if she even is the same one.
Pretty sure Strange wasn’t made Sorcerer Supreme at the end of the first movie.
The fact Sal is just sitting right there looking like he's so over it is absolutely sending me 💀💀
Y’all kinda buggin lol the Darkhold is a good excuse to turn her bad. I think Strange def had an arc
The only coverage of the movie I have been waiting for 🤣
Hell Yeah! 23:53 . Dilan, Sir. You just got a new subscriber!
I like the quick one word opinions before the spoilers begin
idk if im just tired of the mcu or getting jaded but i found this movie to be really fucking boring especially in the middle.
I’m legit wondering has Dylan ever enjoyed a movie?
His critiques are always very superficial
No, he hasn't.
He doesn’t even enjoy trailers 🤦♂️ they really should stop bringing him in these movie reviews
Dylan is definitely the text book definition of a contrarian.
He loved The Batman
As for America, I mean….did he want her to just flat out exclaim “I’m a lesbian! I’m a lesbian!”?
My theatre was dead silent and it made the moments awkward when they paused for a movie moment.
Same for me
Not gonna lie I had no idea that Black Bolt’s mask was CG before you pointed it out. And I wasn’t the only person. So the “it looks awful” argument doesn’t hold much water.
I loved the movie! 8.5/10. Sucks that you guys had problems with it, but I enjoyed it the first and second time! Definitely going for a 3rd!
I thought this movie was tons of fun.
There were sequences I liked, but the film is a mess
@@Red-zh7vq i can understand that
I think it’s pretty clear as to why Dr. Strange is not the sorcerer supreme. He may be powerful but he doesn’t even know books in this movie are real. If gaining the title of sorcerer supreme doesn’t give you a power up, it needs to go to the strongest and most knowledgeable. Dr. Strange showed how much he was lacking in the knowledgeable department this movie. Yet wong is in many movies helping and has lots of knowledge to help in this movie. And he’s capable.
No this is a white supremacist strategy to push the title on other races but to maintain the true power for yourself. Just like Chris Evans making Falcon Captain America, he didn't deserve it, but it's all about symbolism being more substantial than substance. It's a white supremacist move used to flatter your enemy into servitude. It's fake humility. So Wong is only Sorcerer Supreme nominally, but we all know who the real SS is. Another example before you come with your disbelief bs, Barack Obama and Kamala Harris. No power, just symbolism.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 ok. You really didn’t address any of my points and just added what you think. I’m not saying your reply is untrue I just don’t see how your reply is a retort to my comment. Go off tho.
Wong knew the boom existed because he was sorcerer supreme and had 5 years to catch up on all this knowledge while dr strange was dusted. Plus when they where fighting Wanda at taj mahul dr strange knew exactly how to fight and counter Wanda not wong
I think John Krasinski being in this movie is actually proof that he won't be playing Reed Richards, otherwise, what's the point of killing him off so quickly and easily?
In fact, I think the whole of The Illuminati is just quick fan service to say "that thing you want? Fuck it, those guys are losers"
I think it confirms it as all (that I saw) characters held the same actors so if reed is in the MCU then John will play him.
I somewhat agree. Marvel has a tendency of just throwing things in that they may or may not revisit.
I think it carries on from Wandavision like she realise her mistake in wandavision but doesn’t mean the grief leave her plus in the post credits of wandavision she was playing with the dark hold thing
It's good that they got the guy from the inhumans show to play black bolt again. The show itself was just horrible and terrible, bit the only two things that were good was two casting choices, the actor for Black bolt and the actor used for Karnak. Those two actors did the best they could with the material and it's awesome they brother back the black bolt actor and I hope they use both actors again for the parts. The rest of the actors, meh, recast then. But keep black bolt and Karnak if they decide to do more inhumans.
Anson Mount is absolutely killing it as Captain Pike in Star Trek.
Autoplay does que up videos, so sometimes I have no idea a spoiler discussion is going to start. For somereason, if I leave music playing on Auto for more than a few hours, I keep getting sent to the Injustice year 4 video from Benny. I've watched it like 15 times while gaming the last few months.
I audibly groaned when Krasinski was revealed. Really had hope for Glen Howerton
Loved all the cameos. Seeing Reed Richards. Loved how they played the old X-Men theme when they brought out Charles Xavier.
Raimi did say that aside from having to make sure he acknowledged Strange and Wanda’s previous journey he was given pretty much full control I think
The tons of reshoots that replaced like 80% of the film beg to differ
@@Red-zh7vq im not sure what were in the reshoots.
@@Red-zh7vq yeah I find it hard to believe the reshoots were 80%. Cite your souce.
@@SpyJamz or, y’know, you can look it up yourself since google is free. The Hollywood reporter and cosmic book news wrote about it.
@@Red-zh7vq No rational person should read Cosmic Book News which is a conservative aggregator site that wants to be critical of Disney and always looks for negativity as a gotcha. You know, the site that called Toy Story 4 The Last Jedi of the Star Wars franchise which was unbelievably stupid and actually reported on the fake cuts story for The Rise of Skywalker with a George Lucas version testing the best. Just utter insanity. 80% of the movie wasn’t reshot. The entire plot leaked in October and then again in November. Now the reshoots were extensive at 6 days a week. However, fun fact, the plot leaks prior to the reshoots all matched up other than replacing a certain Illuminati member which didn’t sound real anyways with Bruce Campbell playing one of them where he was Thor’s brother. Read that Hollywood Reporter article again by the way. There are differing opinions from people involved which of course Cosmic Book News wouldn’t mention. I’ll even link it for you with the quotes and 2 weeks of it was principal photography due to an actor’s availability. “We’ve had bigger reshoots on other MCU movies,” another insider says.
However, other sources raised their eyebrows at the six-week time frame. “They’re here until the end of the year. That’s like a whole other movie,” says one.
“One insider says about two weeks are dedicated to principal photography that wasn’t completed during the initial, U.K.-based shoot due to what is described as actor availability issues. The insider also dismissed concerns that the reshoots were related to retooling the story.”
www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/doctor-strange-multiverse-madness-reshoots-1235045328/amp/
Hey there’s spoilers here….. JK guys excellent review and much appreciated! Love the show and subbed to all
Xavier comes in and they played the ‘92 animated series music, but in the credits it’s listed as ‘97 X-men Theme. So what we heard was the Disney version?
Also I love that Sal has a Sleepwalker figure
I think it's funny how 2 of them complain that nobody cares for DS love interest but also complain about how they don't get much about America's love interest. Do either of them matter tho!?😂
I clapped when Tobey showed up, however I lost my mind when Cap got the hammer
I'm kind of tired of Sal liking nothing. Has anyone else noticed that he is always at his most pessimistic when he's talking with Benny.
He loved No Way Home and The Batman. He also really liked Eternals.
@Spin That’s weird honestly and that sounds like you are afraid to criticize things out loud. Is Sal just supposed to not show up or stay silent?
@Spin Once again, that’s weird to do that and pretty sad. I would hope you have friends to discuss movies with where if you don’t, that sucks. There’s movie groups online that are out there. You realize Stuckmann did that because he is making a movie himself, right? He used to be very critical of a movie or show that he did not like, but now doesn’t do that because he is now a contemporary of other filmmakers. That’s not a great example honestly. Go down the rabbit hole of his Hilariocities which are great and watch his most hated movie ever one which is the atrocious Dragonball Evolution. He destroyed merchandise in the Hilariocity he did for that movie and burned it.
I would agree that the criticism wasn’t good especially with Dylan’s rant about the LGBT+ representation. Sal saying two thumbs down and acting like the movie was terrible was certainly overblown. They were oddly very emotional. I do think part of it is Tiffany as a super fan of Doctor Strange who clearly didn’t like it from her tweet where that does influence him. They both loved Eternals even though from a filmmaking and plot standpoint, Eternals is much worse. Shang-Chi’s third act isn’t good where Katy hits the one impressive shot with her arrow which they accepted, but yet they criticized America with using her power to end this movie. There is inconsistency there for sure.
@Spin Oh, I see what you are talking about now. Yeah, that’s rude to just rant about a movie out of nowhere if the person isn’t interested in listening to it. It’s different if they were genuinely interested in your thoughts on the movie. Stuckmann would be critical of movies still even with one’s coming out that he didn’t like where he had his Rise of Skywalker review of course and did his Rogue One analysis later with criticizing the opening. There is The Haunting of Sharon Tate which he called atrocious and gave an F. He didn’t have an issue giving those grades to movies as they were coming out until he became a filmmaker. Jeremy Jahns isn’t the most analytical when it comes to his reviews, but he still criticizes movies he doesn’t like. I really enjoy Red Letter Media’s reviews. If it’s not mean spirited, I’m fine with it. None of them are.
America having a pin is fine and she isn’t going to find a love interest while on the run and say she is gay while on the run. That would come out of nowhere and have no relevance with what is going on in the story. Cue the “How is this helping?” line from No Way Home. Saying Doctor Strange had the same arc as the first movie and Wanda had the same arc as WandaVision is categorically wrong. Wanda was corrupted by the Darkhold which she was using for around a year. WandaVision was 3 weeks after Endgame and Far From Home was set 8 months after Endgame. Then No Way Home was set after Halloween where it was at least November so that’s another 3 months easily. Like just do the math and it being destroyed doesn’t mean she would suddenly revert back. “We have removed the drugs from the drag addict and the drug addict is now not going to do drugs anymore.” Yeah, that’s not how that works.
@@DanV900 he liked the eternals really?
I was really pissed bc Wednesday night RUclips was recommended me videos of the Illuminati killing doctor strange.
The movie didn’t even come out and I already got it spoiled for me.
RUclips needs to fix this bc the same thing happened to me for No Way Home
If you just say not interested for content, you won’t get things recommended to you so that’s on you for watching Doctor Strange and Spider-Man related videos honestly. I didn’t get anything like that recommended to me since I know how the RUclips algorithm works.
I feel like the best part of watching marvel movies on the premiere weekend is the energy and hype of the crowd. Watching at home is nice but when everyone cheers in the theater, you feel like you’re apart of a community. Sucks that you guys don’t enjoy that but I enjoyed the review 🤝
To clarify something Benny said near the end. I too wanted Magik in this, since they've been giving Wanda some of her stuff and setting up how her powers work for some time now in the MCU. But, Illyana does not open portals with her sword. Her sword can open portals, but that is only really useful to other people who wield her soul sword. Magik's base mutant ability is the creation of stepping discs, which are portals plus a little extra. Not really saying Benny should know this, since there is at least one X-Men run in the last decade where the writer/artist/editor did not get how her powers work at all. Its not like she's been consistently on an X-Men team since Schism until the Hickman Krakoa arc started. Even Bendis knew how she worked and knew enough to push her story forward in an interesting way during his otherwise mediocre X-Men run.
Sorry, been holding that rant in for a few years and it seemed it needed to come out. Suffice to say I want Illyana in these movies and there were 2 huge missed opportunities, both America and Clea could be replaced by her with a few tweaks to the story, but the MCU seems to hardcore not be willing to start introducing their own mutants. I don't get what they're waiting on.
It’s called Reverting right and getting everything correct! This is a big business! You can imagine how people are! Like my grandad 👴 told me he drew A X-men character and y’all only give him pennies and seeing these movies makes billions!!
The more I think about the movie, honestly the less I like it. I'm still in the Benny camp but Dylan and Sal definitely have my ear. I'm just so sick of the MCU not having any teeth in their projects but I still think the movie was alright standard MCU affair.
My theater popped everytime something dark… happened (if you’ve seen-you know), or jump scare--it was literally the ideal. I think if you go opening night you gotta expect it, but man it’s so easy for people to take it too far and ruin the movie. (Edit. The second I can make out a full sentence an audience member speaks In the theater, it’s been taken too far and I’m probably pissed)
I'm pretty sure Jon Watts said he stepped away because he'd been working on super hero movies for like 8 years and wanted to move on to other things
I honestly hope the FF casting is just a one off and they cast a different actor for their movie
Really? I think he was pretty good.
17:16 I always thought it was because the snap? When Strange was dusted for 5 years, it was given to Wong automatically.
Idk it may just be me but I've never seen Wanda as a hero. She has been on the Avengers and trying to be but her character has always seems to be the cause of problems in most of the movies. I didn't like Wandavision when it came out but this movie made me kind of like it more now cause it setup the full decline of your sanity.
Agreed
With just a guess before watching the video I’m going to guess that Dylan didn’t like the movie, Benny did like the movie, and Sal appreciated elements of it but overall wasn’t impressed. Let’s see how I do
Edit: I was exactly right
Pretty good guess so far
Dylans thing with the pin is a bit ridiculous imo
@Spin Yup
@@GoldenWeeb1209 I think it’s fair tbh. Disney always goes halfway with the LGBTQ stuff
@Spin I agree with that. America’s sexuality was not important to the story. They gave her a pride pin and for this story, that’s all that’s necessary
Only I and one other guy laughed real hard when Black bolt died 😂
Good review. I loved the film, but respect your opinions. Few thoughts....
I think this is a glorified audition for Krasinski as Reed. Nothing signed, but there testing the waters.
38:06 Introducing a new key character so late into the movie just wouldn't work from a narrative pov. it would only befit us a fans, and tbh just wouldn't work when you look at how that character was used.
… America Chavez was like a little kid. When are they supposed to shoe-horn in a lesbian love interest?
I didn't get a chance to mention it because we moved on, but I specifically wanted to state that I'm glad she didn't have a love interest in the movie. It would've made the movie even more bloated. I'm not annoyed that she didn't outwardly show her sexuality, I'm just annoyed by the noncommittal set-dressing of a pride pin stuck to her jacket. In a vacuum, whatever, but coming from Disney it bothers me.
Also I guess nobody is wondering where Mordo is huh? Like how does Strange know that Mordo wants to kill him?
Things must have happened since the first movie
Didn't think about that, good point lol
They missed the part where Charles Xavier is from the 90s show universe because of his yellow chair which was only there and the ost that played when he entered the room
That was just a cool Easter egg. He was not from that universe because that universe has Captain America from the Spider-Man show and there was never a Captain Carter.
You guys had great points but you guys are basically asking for a 4 Hour movie if you want every single character development.
Also does Sal even Like CB movies?
Not anymore it seems lol
They talk out of their asses most of the time. Half of what they said isn't true.
He liked the batman, but lets be fair mcu phase 4 and disney+ shows and most cw shows have all collectively been lackluster as of late.
Dude black bolts costume was PERFECT. A dream come true to see
'I would not skip if you are an MCU fan' that says it all. As an ex WOW addict, your time is still important even if sunk a lit of it into something.
Good thing I just watched it...also thanks because I didn't know who the hell that was in the end credit and I was go ask you on discord
My biggest issue with the movie is the same issue I’ve had with Phase 4, the movies/shows just keep ending abruptly, you think you’re in wrap up and then it just ends
They have no idea what they’re doing. They’re only now trying to figure out what the future of the MCU is. But after this and Loki they’ve just freakin destroyed the fabric of the continuity. And with the assassination of characters in Falcon/WS and the other shows, the MCU is dead. The normies might keep the train running a few more years but they’ve ruined it all. They killed it like they killed Star Wars. These franchises are dead.
I wouldn't say they have no clue. They clearly want to build to Secret Wars. Though I agree that things have been uneven. I believe it's them just trying to build things up after Endgame.
@@Red-zh7vq I keep hearing about death of Star Wars since prequels. Marvel keeps getting more cash than any other company in movie market and keeps general success.
One thing to dislike things and other is foretelling the end of things for 25 time in hope of being right this time.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 a lot of these projects having been losing money, and the pandemic did them no favors. I think you should take another look.
@Spin MoM literally just came out, NWH is a joint venture with Sony, and Shang Chi lost money
bro i loved how they subtlety did the theme from xmen animated show
Personally, I loved the movie. Way better than the first doctor strange
I'm being nitpicky about this video lol and am just commenting on things I disagree with that they say in this video. but it kind of feels like a lot of things in this movie just flew over their head (Dr.Strange arc)/ they don't really understand how people work (Wandas Trauma) or are just being a little too pessimistic with some bad takes (in my opinion) about the film. Wanda has insane amount of trauma, plus darkhold corrupted her, also at the end of Wandavision she wasn't just magically fixed and over everything, she was def a little more over visions death but now has the pain of having, raising and the losing her children. which the book probably took advantage of. People are flawed and slip up and have to relearn things sometimes. Also, whether liked or not there was defiantly some "destiny" stuff with Wanda going on as well, and by the time the darkhold was destroyed she was clearly to far gone and dead set on her mission for that to matter, she wanted her kids back and was willing to do anything to get them. ( none of them being parents I guess its easy for them to miss/not understand that). Also she doesn't ask Wong where the other darkhold is and there just happens to be one she asks him to tell her the spells because being the sorcerer supreme she assumes he knows all the spells, but agreed the fact that the book just happen to be the copy and the original was in some unknown mountain top was bad, It would have been better if she just tortured/ mind raped Wong into getting the information with everything happening on the mountain later in the film just happening at Kamar-taj, with few tweaks. Wong has been there longer and has more respect from all the other sorcerers and of course strange being gone for 5 years so of course he is in charge, we also see in the movie that in every other universe where Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme things don't go well. Yes there is a London and China branch that was in the first movie how is that a surprise? The complaint about not delving into Americas sexuality was just a really stupid and kind of childish rant to begin with, She isn't the main character she is a plot device in this film and No one went to see this movie to see a 16 year old girls sexual identity to begin with, there is no need to express it in this film because it doesn't matter within the contexts of the movie anyways because she is being hunted like an animal for her powers. Also I guess Eternals doesn't exist because Openly Gay character in that film. other people have stated Stranges arc in the comments but again seems to go over their heads/ they don't really get his arc because it really isn't the exact same arc he had in the first film, like they keep stating it is. This is long enough so im gonna stop here but they are really way to picky about this film.
These guys sound like aliens they never understand how humans work kinda sick of their comments which are just dumb.
@@leonardfabian8942 I don't if this is supposed to be directed at me or not
All i can say for clapping in a theater is that your happy and you know it and you mag have been conditioned to show it.
May* have been
Over hyped. It felt like the movie was more about Wanda. It felt rushed to me. The overall plot was ok. I felt the trailers gave away the whole movie.
Idk if they'll do this but during a Young Avengers run (the version with Loki and America), they fought evil versions of their mothers, so maybe America's mothers will turn up there.
representation is for narcissists
Benny's slowly turning into the guy that cheers for logos haaha (kidding have to state that cause it's the internet)
I loved it! I like the horror and all the action. Side note did anyone else see they replaced tony stark snapping during the opening marvel credits with dr strange? or just me??
Glad you all gave it a chance, after seeing the movie a second time I can see some of the faults sal Benny and Dylan showed but its dr strange what can ya do. Hope you guys keep giving us your commentary on all things marvel and dc. love ya guys
The Movie was good I loved the horror theme and the cameos and it was rather fun but in the end it was rather disappointing I feel like it was over hyped for me.
Complains that America doesn't address her love life but also has a problem with Strange addressing his lovelife? I enjoyed the movie certainly liked it more than the first Dr. Strange.
tbh having a character be lgbtq doesn't really change anything nor adds to a characters personality other than sexual preference which would make it unneeded. I would rather worry about how to stop an insane villain with immense magical power rather than a person dating the same gender.
Yet they deal with Stephen and Christine so were you ok with that?
@@thomasjohnson1885 never said I cared about that. And to be honest I don’t lmao
Glenn Howerton should have played Adam Warlock. A Golden God!
When they gonna show The Illuminations I thought to see Ironman, Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt, Namor and Professor X (I mean we see three of them but I thought Ironman because there armies are Ultrons maybe even see The Superior Ironman and Namor)
awesome turn around lads!! ggz thanks for the content
I actually really like this movie, cuz I don't like Dr Strange but love Sam Rami movies so I was kinda happy it seemed like marvel let the reigns lose more than they usually do. My main issue with the film was it was the oppitame of a elseworld story. Unnecessary gruesome deaths of beloved characters, crazy cool concepts that look good but don't go anywhere, and a story that Ultima doesn't really matter to the larger narrative. Solid 7 outta 10 tho
I like Steven's character arc and what they did with Wanda, but I was still kinda disappointed.
They had the chance to go balls to the walls full-on trippy Jack Kirby with their universes, but it was blink and its over and I'm just so disappointed because I'm the comics there was some really awsome weird and off the wall shit going on and it should be reflected on the movies. For me the movie was a 3.5 out of 5
When Wanda broke into the Baxter building, it felt like Reed and Xavier died too fast; black bolt's death made sense and there wasn't anything they could do without magic. However, Reed can control his body to the cell it'd been cool if she grabs him and he just barely escapes by becoming liquid-like, so her attack is harder to finish or not as effective on him. His death also hurt the movie because she just could've done that to Captain Carter anytime, she's just Captain America with a jetpack she still has to get close to Wanda like Reed in order to attack. For Xavier, he should've been a bigger challenge to Wanda since he is the strongest telepath and telepathy is just a secondary power for Wanda. At the very least, it should be a stalemate being its her first mental battle and she wins because she uses magic to split her conscious (like at the end of Wandavision) and maybe she needs to use a lot of her magic within the mind plane to keep up with Xavier so she just snaps his neck with her hands while her other conscious is stuck fighting Xavier. Maybe this has a temporary strain on her magic, her other conscious is a bit beat up so her powers are off, or its taking some time for all of her conscious to escape xaviers mind because of the amt of magic used. This would explain why she didn't use the move that killed Reed on them when she was chasing them.
It wasn’t my favorite MCU product, far from the worst. Some of the points in this review were honestly insane rambling like the pin and the audience. This movie feels like the a Rami movie. The visuals, the over involved extras, some of the gruesome scenes compared to most MCU projects, and literally using a book of the dead.
Phase 4 has been pretty middling overall. But I’ll give it for being unique and they are trying new things to see what sticks. I hope phase 5 is more thought out. We’ll probably look back on this phase of the MCU as a necessary grimy step before we get to the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Phase one was also similar
in regards to the wanda stuff, I initially thought they'd be a reveal that there is scarlet witch entity in the multiverse and every dark hold connects to them or something hence why fully using it changes you and itd end fighting her
Also maybe Captain Carter isn't the one from What If, what if she's an alternate version of that character? Unless they confirmed she's straight from What If.
To be fair Red skull in What if definitely talked about summoning “Hydras Champion” which would most likely be Hive from Agents of SHIELD and the comics. At least it made sense to me
I love the idea of Dennis playing reed that would work so damn well.
Al Ewing did some great things with America Chavez in Ultimates. She was a main protagonist and the leader of the team in Ultimates 2. She is generally considered a multiversal expert And Afro-Latina, but that's a whole other thing.
representation is for narcissists
I've said for a while that the D+ Marvel shows are wheel spinning at its finest. Sam Wilson is implied to become Captain America after Endgame, then we get a show for him to reject then become Captain America. Wanda grieves and is evil(ish) in WandaVision then we repeat it in this. The multiverse is implied to exist in other MCU projects, but then the Loki show says there isn't so they can make the multiverse at the end of the show. The only two to do anything significant are Hawkeye and Moon Knight but they have their own problems.
Marvel has well and truly embraced the realm of psychological turmoil and mind-bending narratives, first by conjuring up the infinite possibilities of the multiverse in “Spiderman: No Way Home (2021)” and then following that up with the nerve-rackingly psychedelic “Moon Knight” series. The Master of the Mystic Arts faces the repercussion of his multiverse- antics in this eerily engaging visual extravaganza, with a decadent amount of surprise guest appearances and a poignant storyline that will closely resonate with fans of the MCU. Veteran auteur Sam Raimi returns to the director’s chair in “Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness” after having spearheaded the rise of the genre with his groundbreaking “Spider-Man” trilogy (2002-07) starring Tobey Maguire. The aesthetically arresting style of the director combined with two ace performers in Oscar-nominee Benedict Cumberbatch and Elizabeth Olsen deliver a riveting saga of coping with loss and the universe-altering ends one will go to to repair a broken heart. We join Doctor Strange after the events of No Way Home, having encountered a mysterious traveller “America Chavez” (an excellent Xochitl Gomez) who reached our version of Earth after being chased across multiverses by a mysterious unknown entity. Strange, alongside the Sorcerer Supreme, Wong (Benedict Wong) embark on a journey across the known and unknown universe and across the legends of sorcery and witchcraft to get to the truth, recruiting a morose “Scarlett Witch” (Olsen), still reeling after her tumultuous sojourn in the Disney+ series, “Wanda Vision”. Cumberbatch is a revelation as Dr. Strange, portraying the angst and confusion of a man who returned after getting 5 years of his life erased away by Thanos’ snap, with elan. He finds that the world has moved on in his absence, especially his lover, Christine (Rachel McAdams) and we get to see the human side of the world’s most powerful sorcerer and he comes to grips with his predicaments. As Dr. Strange embarks across a perilous adventure across multiverses, we get to see the immense range of Cumberbatch in full flow, with the nuances and intricacies he brings to each version of the master sorcerer in the different worlds we visit, a joy to behold. Elizabeth Olsen continues the fine form she displayed in “Wanda Vision”, delivering a perfectly balanced performance that is equal parts poignant and powerful. Oscar-nominee Chiewetel Ejiofor returns as Dr. Strange’s bête noire, “Mordo”, in a short but impactful cameo. Without giving much away, let me just say that the dizzying array of other surprise cameos not only provide several whistle-worthy moments in the theatre but also gel in well with the narrative structure. Doctor Strange’s second stand-alone movie is a fitting addition to Marvel’s darker, murkier Phase 4 where we get to explore the inner psyche of our heroes at a deeper level and is more reliant on its performance than being spectacle-driven. That being said, the CGI and visual effects are nothing short of mesmerizing as we journey along with our heroes across multiverses, with the storyline opening up an infinite array of potential spin-offs and future tie-ins featuring our favourite heroes from franchises long past as well as promising new ones down the line. A must-watch in theatres. Highly recommended! And do watch out for one mid-credits scene as well as an end-credits one.
I do distinctly remember Rob on the weekly pull big time pushing for JK as Reed and saying he made the photo shop