Heroic raiders be like: "I want this game to have less content and options for everyone because I have a personal, unhinged need to complete every possible thing each week even though nobody asked me to."
As a solo casual player, gearing to heroic levels from world content is how to get me to dip my toes into mythic dungeons and doing raids. Prior to these changes the few times I tried to do mythic dungeons it felt really bad to pub and deal with toxic players yelling at me for just trying to get my foot in the door towards better gear.
@@RED_Theory038 in my experience having played on and off for 18 years most of the time I have made friends or circles in WoW it's really just invited more drama into the time I spend trying to enjoy the game to get away from the stress and drama of life lol. The curse of beyond surface level interactions on an MMO.
@@ValiantMikey they’re trying to force high player numbers in one area to create an “MMO-feel”. But those large gatherings are never up to the developers, they’re just a consequence of unrestricted design
@chronos2669 tbh I feel like people are spoiled these days with too many options to compare what's better tan what instead of enjoying their favorite game. Instead of 1 favorite people have 10 now and compare them all constantly which negatively impacts their view
Good change if the rewards are a good level for casuals and competitive enough. It does limit outdoor players in gear progress, especially if you receive something you already have, use more than one spec (druids). It favours alts armies: quick weekly gear but not if you play very few toons and stick to world content only. TWW will let us know if it's enough, especially in the first month as we get to play the outdoor content poorly geared and hammered by everything. It might force us to do content we didn't want and clog lfd, lfr. So hopefully there are other non instanced places to get decent gear drop eg with an algorithm detecting our low ilvl so we can catch up.
Early Shadowlands when in the day it was mandatory to do Torghast for the AP grind. BFA had mandatory to do Island Expeditions for Mandatory AP grind. Legion had mandatory command table missions to getnyour legendary cloak and AP grind.
This has nothing to do with WoW and I apologize for that, but do you use an addon or something for Notion or have some sort of different settings then me? I don't think I can get fonts that look like that, and definitely don't remember the colored text working like that. Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I just LOVE using Notion for organizing my WoW stuff too. I absolutely love how you use it to make top tier quality content as well, so thanks for that.
so wait when you say the delves wont give gear better than heroic what do you mean ? i hope it will give good gear to at least start compete in mythic + and maybe on later patch give gear that can let you easy a +5 at max
Some people are just going to absolutely hate delves and not want to have to do them. But now you not only have to do the delves but all the other weekly stuff for key fragments before even doing the actual delve. It's like doing class assignments before you go home to do your homework, before you take your test on Friday. I'm not sure it's going to be recieved well. It's still timegated content and a lot more work than most people may want to put in. I really like the delves so far and will enjoy it upon release but I can see most people just doing the same world quests and nothing more just like in previous expansions. The highest item level piece they have equipped will be whatever was rewarded from the world quest they did that took ten minutes or less. Most people just won't play World of Chorecraft.
I have a friend that started a heroic core, his objective is to tremple over every single content for the first 2-3 weeks and then quit. When he invited me I told him well, you know I do like playing the game, my goal is not to stop playing it as fast as possible. If I were to ever commit to a heroic only core I probably wouldn't even touch m+ with gearing purposes, I would only raid and whatever, I could perform mechanically good enough, so why would I even rush through everything? It seems that everybody is now measured as to "how fast you stop playing" means you are "better" than everyone else. The absurd number of "sick" guilds that have a good progression is something trully bizarre imo.
Bring back infinite repeatables instead of dailies/weeklies. It's the same thing, just with cooldowns. Which results in "you can't do what you want, you have to wait until tomorrow".
Doing world quests for opener gear once u hit max level was ok, so if you can do them , then progress to the bointiful, that would be good. They will say their not going to time gate it, but you know blizzard is obsessed with time gating, do may end up doing it half way through the xpac. 😂😂
Zereth Mortis would have been so much better if the campaign was skipped on alts. Having to play through the incredibly boring, time consuming 'story' on every character, really killed it.
My raid group for Dragonflight this was the dynamic.... Those that also did M+ ended up draging the ones that did not through raids. Due to this we never finished heroic this last season. This is a problem. This will probably be the end of my guild.
if you're guild exists solely for raids, then it should be the end of your guild. Your gameplay goals do not align, so if that is all there is to your guild, then time to look for a new guild.
@@jamaldavis2480 Replace "cant" with "won't" and you'd have a point. Most players are capable of playing their class well enough to get through a normal but choose not to do it anyway.
Positive: No more required long, boring, painful Superbloom, etc Negative: Slowing down of speed of outdoor progression for Open World players Worse: MIndless positivity from Bellular who only sees things from his perspective.
Pvp is still a chore cause apparently heroic dungeons are good enough for the vault, but random battlegrounds are too casual for vault credit. What a joke.
I hate this, this idea that rated pvp is needed in an mmo feels so out of place. Usually rewards are bnehind regular pvp activities and people do ranked for ranks and competition only.
I mean well know the people that act like a +4 needs to be run like a +14 ( I had someone /t me asking why i didn’t have rank 3 leg enchants in a +2 on my alt, i was like cause this only cost 20 gold and at only a loss of around 20 main stat.. ./kick lmao… in a +2).. takes alllll the fun out of it.. this mind set is why I don’t raid any more… I’m not grinding like its the RTWF for aotc, its not worth it. Ill just pug raid the first 2 weeks, get aotc if i want the mount, to get tier token(s) if needed.
@@benkelly7182 maybe one day we will have a WOW that just have the gear as the only grind, no leveling, no other chores based systems...what a dream it would be to play main and alt friendliness
i tried it. i got kicked out of 4 guilds because i hate m+ and only wanted to raid. so dont talk bs after trying 4 times a gave up on retail. the same happend in classic - no world buffs? no raid spot.
It is mandatory. How do you get in grps if your gear is trash? People will invite someone with better gear. Also people want to win that's why they play a game. If you lose you are a loser. That's why mythic is toxic and only a very small amount of ppl do it and it's bad for the game
Love Matt, but naw. Korthia was bad, I admit it, but .nothing. was worse than the Maw. Nothing. Korthia can be .5 above it in shittiness, but the Maw and Choreghast are the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the barrel of bad.
Now if I could just have some form of TF back. I miss the fun surprise of the occasion high process on a reward. Also made it worthwhile to sometimes still do lesser reward content because there’s a chance.
The problem was that you had people just spamming M+ in the hopes of a TF, What I really would like to see is more the bringing back of currencies that would allow you to buy top end gear eventually. Ideally it would take so long that you only are going to be buying a few pieces before the end of the season but it gives players something to keep working for. Otherwise what happens is your players start capping out on gear halfway through the season and stop showing up to raids. I mean I get why because at some point there is no point in them attending the raid anymore. Ideally enough people had decently geared alts we would still be fine but it was an issue we commonly ran into.
cant let you off the instanced feed trough just yet. did you think you could get _all_ your gear from enjoyable single player content? nah, you will still have wade into the viscus quagmire of the toxic swamp of Mythic+ and Raiding to get that sweet fat lootz or else all the retail andys who complain about filthy casuals will be sad that they cant verbally harass you in chat and roll need on all your gear to prevent you, the undeserving, from acquiring said loot.
open world gearing should not exist, there should be 2 endgames pvp and pve. raiding for pve all this extra shit should literally be gone its so bloated its not even funny these are the mechanics that i have the most issue with id rather farm titan forged gear than feel like i need to do these shitty ass grinds on week one to stay on the level of everyone else. games to much of a slogfest to be fun in endgame anymore
Fortunately you are minority with that opinion. Give all pve then with automatic matchmaking so we don't get gatekeeped by group leaders picking up manually who they invite into raid. "link curve" for normal raids etc lmao.
@@jeppejoku8197 FIND A GUILD, yea idc if your a solo andy idc if youve got 5 kids and a job, ive got all that shit its not wow if it not done in a group open world gear defeats the goal of wow there should just be more time between patches with raids being more fun than hardcore with an obvious hardcore mode. the game isnt for casuals aswell as its not for th 1% of sweats, its also still a game with an identity one thats been ignored, open world gearing isnt wow and never will be so it should no exist if people cant do it the game was not designed for them
@@jeppejoku8197 like i really am not going to accept "gatekeeping" and "curve links" as legit excuses theres 100s of guilds 100s of q's at an hourly rate you can find a run that fits you you dont have to finish the raid in 1 run most people dont shit people really should take 3 days to raid nowadays in an average heroic guild. i want wow to be and RPG while being an MMO on the side right now its niether cause gear is handed out like candy instead of earned and it lacks in RPG elements
@@zzmr_stretchzz8772 You can cope harder, but you are still in minority and players and blizzard wants us to be able to gear up with open world. We pay monthly too and don't want to get forced into grp raiding. I don't need raiding for a game to feel rpg or mmo.
Heroic raiders be like: "I want this game to have less content and options for everyone because I have a personal, unhinged need to complete every possible thing each week even though nobody asked me to."
There will be no choice paralysis. People will just got for the fastest one.
path of least resistance, a very human choice.
As a solo casual player, gearing to heroic levels from world content is how to get me to dip my toes into mythic dungeons and doing raids. Prior to these changes the few times I tried to do mythic dungeons it felt really bad to pub and deal with toxic players yelling at me for just trying to get my foot in the door towards better gear.
And then be told you can avoid that by avoiding the wider community by forming your own group. While true, doesn't make the experience any less bad :P
@@RED_Theory038 in my experience having played on and off for 18 years most of the time I have made friends or circles in WoW it's really just invited more drama into the time I spend trying to enjoy the game to get away from the stress and drama of life lol. The curse of beyond surface level interactions on an MMO.
So you need to do weekly quest to get a weekly key to then go do a weekly delve to unlock your weekly delve chest.
The timed events were so garbage. Misleading text, sometimes not even spawning, waiting hours for an event that takes 3 minutes… it was awful.
They were trying to do what runescape does
You mean during Beta?
@@ValiantMikey they’re trying to force high player numbers in one area to create an “MMO-feel”. But those large gatherings are never up to the developers, they’re just a consequence of unrestricted design
@chronos2669 tbh I feel like people are spoiled these days with too many options to compare what's better tan what instead of enjoying their favorite game. Instead of 1 favorite people have 10 now and compare them all constantly which negatively impacts their view
Stay mad
Good change if the rewards are a good level for casuals and competitive enough. It does limit outdoor players in gear progress, especially if you receive something you already have, use more than one spec (druids). It favours alts armies: quick weekly gear but not if you play very few toons and stick to world content only. TWW will let us know if it's enough, especially in the first month as we get to play the outdoor content poorly geared and hammered by everything. It might force us to do content we didn't want and clog lfd, lfr. So hopefully there are other non instanced places to get decent gear drop eg with an algorithm detecting our low ilvl so we can catch up.
Early Shadowlands when in the day it was mandatory to do Torghast for the AP grind. BFA had mandatory to do Island Expeditions for Mandatory AP grind. Legion had mandatory command table missions to getnyour legendary cloak and AP grind.
This has nothing to do with WoW and I apologize for that, but do you use an addon or something for Notion or have some sort of different settings then me? I don't think I can get fonts that look like that, and definitely don't remember the colored text working like that. Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I just LOVE using Notion for organizing my WoW stuff too. I absolutely love how you use it to make top tier quality content as well, so thanks for that.
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I need to take a lesson from this - 4x m+ runs is usually better than 8x per week for a player like me
so wait when you say the delves wont give gear better than heroic what do you mean ? i hope it will give good gear to at least start compete in mythic + and maybe on later patch give gear that can let you easy a +5 at max
Some people are just going to absolutely hate delves and not want to have to do them. But now you not only have to do the delves but all the other weekly stuff for key fragments before even doing the actual delve. It's like doing class assignments before you go home to do your homework, before you take your test on Friday. I'm not sure it's going to be recieved well. It's still timegated content and a lot more work than most people may want to put in. I really like the delves so far and will enjoy it upon release but I can see most people just doing the same world quests and nothing more just like in previous expansions. The highest item level piece they have equipped will be whatever was rewarded from the world quest they did that took ten minutes or less. Most people just won't play World of Chorecraft.
I have a friend that started a heroic core, his objective is to tremple over every single content for the first 2-3 weeks and then quit. When he invited me I told him well, you know I do like playing the game, my goal is not to stop playing it as fast as possible.
If I were to ever commit to a heroic only core I probably wouldn't even touch m+ with gearing purposes, I would only raid and whatever, I could perform mechanically good enough, so why would I even rush through everything?
It seems that everybody is now measured as to "how fast you stop playing" means you are "better" than everyone else. The absurd number of "sick" guilds that have a good progression is something trully bizarre imo.
This is a great change. 😊
Bring back infinite repeatables instead of dailies/weeklies. It's the same thing, just with cooldowns. Which results in "you can't do what you want, you have to wait until tomorrow".
Pick what you want = do whats easyest and most efficient.
Doing world quests for opener gear once u hit max level was ok, so if you can do them , then progress to the bointiful, that would be good.
They will say their not going to time gate it, but you know blizzard is obsessed with time gating, do may end up doing it half way through the xpac. 😂😂
I hated zerith mortis, korthia, and the maw... that shit was so bad.
Zereth Mortis would have been so much better if the campaign was skipped on alts. Having to play through the incredibly boring, time consuming 'story' on every character, really killed it.
Yaaaay more timegated chores.
i want DIRT 2.0
Thanks for the video
My raid group for Dragonflight this was the dynamic.... Those that also did M+ ended up draging the ones that did not through raids. Due to this we never finished heroic this last season. This is a problem. This will probably be the end of my guild.
if you're guild exists solely for raids, then it should be the end of your guild. Your gameplay goals do not align, so if that is all there is to your guild, then time to look for a new guild.
@@arqHHM Yeah i was about to comment that that is a guild problem, not a game problem
90% of wow players never enter a raid. Not once other than lfr.
Mandatory is making gear dependent on stuff people don’t want to do.
Good change.
Sounds absolutely boring
"Heroics are easy nowadays" Well yes because they are normals renamed to heroic.
And still 95% of the player base will never set foot in normals, let alone heroics.
@@willythemailboy2 yeah because a majority can't raid. That is why they made two lesser difficulties.
@@jamaldavis2480 Replace "cant" with "won't" and you'd have a point. Most players are capable of playing their class well enough to get through a normal but choose not to do it anyway.
Positive: No more required long, boring, painful Superbloom, etc
Negative: Slowing down of speed of outdoor progression for Open World players
Worse: MIndless positivity from Bellular who only sees things from his perspective.
Very cache money of them.
i give them max. 1year before they sell delv keys in the store....
Pvp is still a chore cause apparently heroic dungeons are good enough for the vault, but random battlegrounds are too casual for vault credit. What a joke.
I hate this, this idea that rated pvp is needed in an mmo feels so out of place. Usually rewards are bnehind regular pvp activities and people do ranked for ranks and competition only.
It only takes like 4 hours of unrated pvp to get the full set to do rated though? You also get sparks thrown at you constantly to make 528 gear
all the people complaining about the RNG gear of PvP to go away, they stop and people still complain, asking for RNG gear for PvP.
PVP is going to be removed from the vault, delves will take the spot they had, also this season Battlegraound blitz (unrated) was given vault slots
They're giving players more conquest instead of vault gear for PVP, which removes RNG from the equation.
I mean well know the people that act like a +4 needs to be run like a +14 ( I had someone /t me asking why i didn’t have rank 3 leg enchants in a +2 on my alt, i was like cause this only cost 20 gold and at only a loss of around 20 main stat.. ./kick lmao… in a +2).. takes alllll the fun out of it.. this mind set is why I don’t raid any more… I’m not grinding like its the RTWF for aotc, its not worth it. Ill just pug raid the first 2 weeks, get aotc if i want the mount, to get tier token(s) if needed.
World of chores
Yep. I really enjoy battleground pvp and I do as little chores as possible to be able to do that
@@benkelly7182 maybe one day we will have a WOW that just have the gear as the only grind, no leveling, no other chores based systems...what a dream it would be to play main and alt friendliness
@@wandererslegion You mean like M+?
i tried it. i got kicked out of 4 guilds because i hate m+ and only wanted to raid. so dont talk bs
after trying 4 times a gave up on retail. the same happend in classic - no world buffs? no raid spot.
Skill issue.
@@8bitchiptune420 its not a skill if i dont want to do it. wtf
i can - i just dont like it.
its free time not work time so i do fun stuff
What is a "manditree?"
It is mandatory. How do you get in grps if your gear is trash? People will invite someone with better gear. Also people want to win that's why they play a game. If you lose you are a loser. That's why mythic is toxic and only a very small amount of ppl do it and it's bad for the game
Love Matt, but naw. Korthia was bad, I admit it, but .nothing. was worse than the Maw. Nothing. Korthia can be .5 above it in shittiness, but the Maw and Choreghast are the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the barrel of bad.
Now if I could just have some form of TF back. I miss the fun surprise of the occasion high process on a reward. Also made it worthwhile to sometimes still do lesser reward content because there’s a chance.
The problem was that you had people just spamming M+ in the hopes of a TF, What I really would like to see is more the bringing back of currencies that would allow you to buy top end gear eventually. Ideally it would take so long that you only are going to be buying a few pieces before the end of the season but it gives players something to keep working for. Otherwise what happens is your players start capping out on gear halfway through the season and stop showing up to raids. I mean I get why because at some point there is no point in them attending the raid anymore. Ideally enough people had decently geared alts we would still be fine but it was an issue we commonly ran into.
Maw was so terrible. Really the worst Zone they ever did.
Followed by Korthia.
Zereth Mortis was one of my favorite Zones. I loved this Zone.
but it was the exact same thing just in another color though?
Caches.... you know boxes of loot... _loot boxes_ one might say.
so casuals, sorry, World Content players, are limited to Veteran gear then?
This late in the expansion, it looks like it, but maybe not for the world boss.
cant let you off the instanced feed trough just yet. did you think you could get _all_ your gear from enjoyable single player content? nah, you will still have wade into the viscus quagmire of the toxic swamp of Mythic+ and Raiding to get that sweet fat lootz or else all the retail andys who complain about filthy casuals will be sad that they cant verbally harass you in chat and roll need on all your gear to prevent you, the undeserving, from acquiring said loot.
@@Shiirow lol, well said.
Why do you need anything more than Veteran gear for the content you’re doing?
open world gearing should not exist, there should be 2 endgames pvp and pve. raiding for pve all this extra shit should literally be gone its so bloated its not even funny these are the mechanics that i have the most issue with id rather farm titan forged gear than feel like i need to do these shitty ass grinds on week one to stay on the level of everyone else. games to much of a slogfest to be fun in endgame anymore
Fortunately you are minority with that opinion. Give all pve then with automatic matchmaking so we don't get gatekeeped by group leaders picking up manually who they invite into raid. "link curve" for normal raids etc lmao.
@@jeppejoku8197 FIND A GUILD, yea idc if your a solo andy idc if youve got 5 kids and a job, ive got all that shit its not wow if it not done in a group open world gear defeats the goal of wow there should just be more time between patches with raids being more fun than hardcore with an obvious hardcore mode. the game isnt for casuals aswell as its not for th 1% of sweats, its also still a game with an identity one thats been ignored, open world gearing isnt wow and never will be so it should no exist if people cant do it the game was not designed for them
@@jeppejoku8197 like i really am not going to accept "gatekeeping" and "curve links" as legit excuses theres 100s of guilds 100s of q's at an hourly rate you can find a run that fits you you dont have to finish the raid in 1 run most people dont shit people really should take 3 days to raid nowadays in an average heroic guild. i want wow to be and RPG while being an MMO on the side right now its niether cause gear is handed out like candy instead of earned and it lacks in RPG elements
@@zzmr_stretchzz8772 You can cope harder, but you are still in minority and players and blizzard wants us to be able to gear up with open world. We pay monthly too and don't want to get forced into grp raiding. I don't need raiding for a game to feel rpg or mmo.
@@jeppejoku8197 wow is nto for you my guy thats the problem
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