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I have learned so much from these videos. I have been able to follow these basic principles to tune my holley sniper efi to chop. Typically good idle is 18° adv so I took 4 blocks around idle and set timing to 4 degrees. Set iac on fast and disable learning below 1000 rpm. Set idle to 650 and it chops but above 650 the chop is gone and car drives perfectly normal.
Great to hear mate! That's what they're here for and stoked to hear it sounds like you're enjoying learning and implementing these changes too dude! Keep it up - Taz.
I have a comp cams 274 cam in my little 5.7L Hemi and it idles smooth. I was considering this "trick" since the cam does not have much overlap but with my Whipple supercharger I really don't want to mess with timing.
Most "cam" videos on RUclips use the "ghost cam" to make any cam sound more aggressive. I installed a Comp stage 2 HRT in a Charger and could barely hear a difference at idle. However, the vids online show serious chop.
I'm Not Sure If You Figured This Out Yet. But It Might Be Because Your Idle Speed Is Higher Then The Other Chargers. Usually If You Put A Cam In And You Want It To Chop And Lope More You Can Lower Your Idle RPM. I Had To Do This To My 3.8 V6 Monte Carlo When I Put A Cam. Lol I Was Devastated When It Didn't Lope After I Installed It haha. Then The Tuner Lowered Idle RPM And I Was Smiling Ear To Ear haha
Have a 2011 Ctsv with the lsa, was curious to see how this would sound but i dont seem to have that spark overspeed/underspeed modifier table under my spark tab. Only able to set the target idle speed in p/n and in gear as well as for different ECT temperatures. Any help? *EDIT If anyone else is having this issue where you dont see that parameters in your personal vehicle that are being shown in the video above, in vcm editor hit, "Edit" in the upper menu bar, then View then change it from basic to advance... Should solve the issue..
I got L77 DOD delete from the ECM. its a conversion and L77 and TH350. I follow your instructions and I cannot see any difference at all..can you please help with this.. Thanks
another good video Andre and HPA team on a subject that i had no idea existed...guys i know would just swap an aggressive/loppy cam in and make it behave with tuning or just live with whatever it does. i have a small block Ford 427 with a .600 lift cam and 114° lobe separation (i forgot the duration but i can get it for you) and while driving it surges at low rpms anything below 1600 with light throttle. i think the PCM is in the overrun areas where the fuel is minimum, but my tuner mentioned the surging being from the nature of a big cam. what do you think?
Destroy thats a good thing old school cruise and turning heads definitely a goid thing. Fuel well thats a cost of what we are wanting take the good and bad equation is a good thing.
I have successfully implemented this on my Mazda 3 MPS, with ignition values oscillating between -3 to 22 degrees BTDC. Would you say it's harmful to let it run into negative timing at all? How far negative should it go?
Just tried this on my E38 GMT900 5.3L, non VVT. The idle just raised and lowered slowly as the timing went high and low very lazily. I failed to fail with the ghost cam tuning.
That is not something I have come across, but I do know not all 'Barras' are the same. The engine was made for a long time and there are variations. I wouldn't be surprised if there was something PCMTec did in that space that HP Tuners didn't for exactly the same engine, just as I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually almost the same. It varies so much between different applications you can't know till you know, as dumb as that sounds. Check with HP Tuners directly is my advice, and/or on their forum which might be quicker. We are hoping to add a PCMTec based Ford example in the future 😎 - Taz.
can you give any advice on designing a cam tune for a catted setup? how aggressive with the values and how to fail safe with using the cat converter temp as a variable to return it to normal idol? thanks man! just sarted tuning, looking at the course
Hi Andre, I have a fgx xr6t with 440rwkw on a dynapack hub dyno. Since changing my wastegate spring from a 7psi to a 14psi one and putting in a turbo side intake and getting tuner to ramp the gt3582r in as hard as it can to 17-18 psi it has developed a bad boost oscillating problem. It only really does it when I accelerate in 3rd 4th 5th from 3000rpm or lower. It doesn't seem to do it when accelerating away from higher revs. It does it more under load from lower revs. The falcon boost control seems very complicated and my tuner hasn't been able to fix it. Have you got any tips? It's on hp tuners.
I know that this type of tune is possible on a 3.6L Pentastar Mopar, but idk where/how to get it... Do I just go to a Tune shop and ask for it? plz help lol
You said not changing the ‘in gear’ is going to keep drivability, so does doing this reduce drivability? ie if you did this to the in gear table. If so what affect does it have?
hahaha yes it can seem like that, but honestly this is a good and safe wee mod to experiment with for those new to the game. Guys doing this generally use it as a stepping stone into bigger and better things rather than thinking this is their peak. It is as far into the 'aesthetic' tuning world we will go though and it was chosen by popular request. We draw the line at 'how do I get my car to sound like an AK47' requests, which we still get a few of a week although they are less than they were 3-4 years ago for some reason - Taz.
Yes. Only a large cam will sound exactly like a large cam, but more importantly, it will also perform like a large cam. This 'ghost cam' does nothing for performance. We're pretty clear on all of that 😎 - Taz.
It's not something we do, however, it was highly requested and for those learning it can be a fun little task. We draw the line at 'popcorn limiters' or 'AK47 tunes' though sorry - Taz.
I know you say this is controversial. And it is. It's the dumbest thing to want in a tune. Here we are trying to smooth up huge lift cams and idiots want to make it sound like they have one lol. Being able to change cam timing is a great way to add some mid range and even economy but top end is usually not that impressive of a gain. Get that exhaust shut and intake open earlier at low revs for torque by limiting reversion but keep the inlet open later higher in the revs for top end by getting better cylinder fill! Also keeping the exhaust open for longer helps scavenging and is used on modern cars as a way to perform EGR at cruise. READ AS Lost Torque at Cruise!
Wish I could,or at least the engine. I'm here in the US, I've actually looked up what would be the involved to import the engine here. While I'm sure it can be done,the hoops I'd have to jump through w just paperwork etc ,made it damn near impossible for me to. Seems like Australia/EU get almost all the good engines/special edition models. Anyway,god bless bro
I ordered a stage 1 ecu which included ghost cams among other things but unfortunately my car hated the ghost cams. So I purchased the proper cable needed and downloaded romraider and am trying to get rid of only the ghost cams but I have no idea what values to change to get rid of the ghost cams.
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This is EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR! THANK YOU SIR!!
I have learned so much from these videos. I have been able to follow these basic principles to tune my holley sniper efi to chop. Typically good idle is 18° adv so I took 4 blocks around idle and set timing to 4 degrees. Set iac on fast and disable learning below 1000 rpm. Set idle to 650 and it chops but above 650 the chop is gone and car drives perfectly normal.
Great to hear mate! That's what they're here for and stoked to hear it sounds like you're enjoying learning and implementing these changes too dude! Keep it up - Taz.
I have a comp cams 274 cam in my little 5.7L Hemi and it idles smooth. I was considering this "trick" since the cam does not have much overlap but with my Whipple supercharger I really don't want to mess with timing.
Boy I'd love to see a breakdown using Holley Terminator X EFI software. Just trying to figure out the P term and D term is hard enough lol.
Could you make a video on how to make a ghost cam on the 5.0?
Most "cam" videos on RUclips use the "ghost cam" to make any cam sound more aggressive. I installed a Comp stage 2 HRT in a Charger and could barely hear a difference at idle. However, the vids online show serious chop.
I'm Not Sure If You Figured This Out Yet. But It Might Be Because Your Idle Speed Is Higher Then The Other Chargers. Usually If You Put A Cam In And You Want It To Chop And Lope More You Can Lower Your Idle RPM. I Had To Do This To My 3.8 V6 Monte Carlo When I Put A Cam. Lol I Was Devastated When It Didn't Lope After I Installed It haha. Then The Tuner Lowered Idle RPM And I Was Smiling Ear To Ear haha
If you add a stall converter, does that allow you to alter the drive table too without affecting driveability? As it won't push on the brakes.
Have a 2011 Ctsv with the lsa, was curious to see how this would sound but i dont seem to have that spark overspeed/underspeed modifier table under my spark tab. Only able to set the target idle speed in p/n and in gear as well as for different ECT temperatures. Any help?
*EDIT If anyone else is having this issue where you dont see that parameters in your personal vehicle that are being shown in the video above, in vcm editor hit, "Edit" in the upper menu bar, then View then change it from basic to advance... Should solve the issue..
Would love a video on ghost cam tune on a coyote engine
I got L77 DOD delete from the ECM. its a conversion and L77 and TH350. I follow your instructions and I cannot see any difference at all..can you please help with this.. Thanks
Where would I find this in a haltech 2500?
Most people try to get everything as smooth and emissions as low as possible. Good example of No.s to look at for doing the job properly though.
another good video Andre and HPA team on a subject that i had no idea existed...guys i know would just swap an aggressive/loppy cam in and make it behave with tuning or just live with whatever it does. i have a small block Ford 427 with a .600 lift cam and 114° lobe separation (i forgot the duration but i can get it for you) and while driving it surges at low rpms anything below 1600 with light throttle. i think the PCM is in the overrun areas where the fuel is minimum, but my tuner mentioned the surging being from the nature of a big cam. what do you think?
Would be nice to Ghost Port a stock rotary and sound it like a peripheral port one.
Brapp brapp brapp like.
You could do it on a rotary!
Destroy thats a good thing old school cruise and turning heads definitely a goid thing.
Fuel well thats a cost of what we are wanting take the good and bad equation is a good thing.
very informative about idle timing vs cams
you could alternatively name the video "how to rice your idle tune" 😂
I have C7 Z06 and I can't see Idle adaptive spark control under Spark/ advance in my HP Tuners Ver 4.12
I need your help guys.
I want to de cat my L98. Is this easy to delete the 02 sensors from the ecu to stop an engine light or is it needed
It's easy yes
Before: 8:47
After: 13:26
lol bam.
in a manual version will it still go back to standard idle once you put it into gear does the ecu see that cheers
I have successfully implemented this on my Mazda 3 MPS, with ignition values oscillating between -3 to 22 degrees BTDC. Would you say it's harmful to let it run into negative timing at all? How far negative should it go?
Never negative
Just tried this on my E38 GMT900 5.3L, non VVT. The idle just raised and lowered slowly as the timing went high and low very lazily. I failed to fail with the ghost cam tuning.
I have a 2021 Dodge Durango GT Plus 3.6 liter. Is there a ghost cam tune for it? If so where can I get it and the price?
Is it true you cant do it to the barra engines with hptuners becuse HPtuners doesnt have independent cam timing control unlike pcmtec?
That is not something I have come across, but I do know not all 'Barras' are the same. The engine was made for a long time and there are variations.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was something PCMTec did in that space that HP Tuners didn't for exactly the same engine, just as I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually almost the same. It varies so much between different applications you can't know till you know, as dumb as that sounds.
Check with HP Tuners directly is my advice, and/or on their forum which might be quicker.
We are hoping to add a PCMTec based Ford example in the future 😎 - Taz.
On a 2006 Silverado can hp tuner do a ghost cam by adjusting spark timing at park or neutral
Yes adjust the overspeed and underspeed tables. Just multiply both tables by the same value and see how it sounds after each time you increase it.
can you give any advice on designing a cam tune for a catted setup? how aggressive with the values and how to fail safe with using the cat converter temp as a variable to return it to normal idol? thanks man! just sarted tuning, looking at the course
Hi Andre, I have a fgx xr6t with 440rwkw on a dynapack hub dyno. Since changing my wastegate spring from a 7psi to a 14psi one and putting in a turbo side intake and getting tuner to ramp the gt3582r in as hard as it can to 17-18 psi it has developed a bad boost oscillating problem. It only really does it when I accelerate in 3rd 4th 5th from 3000rpm or lower. It doesn't seem to do it when accelerating away from higher revs. It does it more under load from lower revs. The falcon boost control seems very complicated and my tuner hasn't been able to fix it. Have you got any tips? It's on hp tuners.
Hey mate is there a way of getting a ghost cam done on a vy v6 commodore cheers
I know that this type of tune is possible on a 3.6L Pentastar Mopar, but idk where/how to get it... Do I just go to a Tune shop and ask for it? plz help lol
Where's the part where we hear the car idle though...
Is it th sam to ghost brigeport
How much to have this done in a ve sv6
Is there ghost cam for ram 1500 3.6l vvt?
You said not changing the ‘in gear’ is going to keep drivability, so does doing this reduce drivability? ie if you did this to the in gear table. If so what affect does it have?
If you changed the in gear idle it would surge around and deliver power very unevenly when idling around in parking lots etc.
I’m confused you said you were going to talk about the cost but failed to mention cost.
Sorry Tristan, the cost of what exactly? Throw me a timestamp and I'll see if I can help you here in the comments my dude - Taz.
after I ghost cam tuned my car i was inspired to start stuffing a sock in my pants.
hahaha yes it can seem like that, but honestly this is a good and safe wee mod to experiment with for those new to the game. Guys doing this generally use it as a stepping stone into bigger and better things rather than thinking this is their peak.
It is as far into the 'aesthetic' tuning world we will go though and it was chosen by popular request.
We draw the line at 'how do I get my car to sound like an AK47' requests, which we still get a few of a week although they are less than they were 3-4 years ago for some reason - Taz.
it sounds nothing like a large cam. @@hpa101
Yes. Only a large cam will sound exactly like a large cam, but more importantly, it will also perform like a large cam. This 'ghost cam' does nothing for performance. We're pretty clear on all of that 😎 - Taz.
Can the ghost cam be wired to a switch?
No, can be used in the newer ECM’s with the on the fly calibration adjustment.
Most tunes I've seen that are "ghost cam" they -35 +35 so you honestly didn't even go close to what most do here in the US lol
RIP Holden
Won't this hurt the motor?
No, it's harmless. Just a bit of safe fun for those learning how to tune while they save up for a cam etc 😎 - Taz.
TBH it's no more ridiculous than Popcorn limiters, IMO.
It's not something we do, however, it was highly requested and for those learning it can be a fun little task.
We draw the line at 'popcorn limiters' or 'AK47 tunes' though sorry - Taz.
Each to their own I just can't see the value in encouraging this kind of fluff. It's right there along plastic brembo caliper covers.
I know you say this is controversial. And it is. It's the dumbest thing to want in a tune. Here we are trying to smooth up huge lift cams and idiots want to make it sound like they have one lol.
Being able to change cam timing is a great way to add some mid range and even economy but top end is usually not that impressive of a gain. Get that exhaust shut and intake open earlier at low revs for torque by limiting reversion but keep the inlet open later higher in the revs for top end by getting better cylinder fill! Also keeping the exhaust open for longer helps scavenging and is used on modern cars as a way to perform EGR at cruise. READ AS Lost Torque at Cruise!
as they say, is the mod rice or nice? lol
lollipop tune
lol
lump lump... just buy a barra already
barra's have ghost cams as well
Wish I could,or at least the engine. I'm here in the US, I've actually looked up what would be the involved to import the engine here. While I'm sure it can be done,the hoops I'd have to jump through w just paperwork etc ,made it damn near impossible for me to. Seems like Australia/EU get almost all the good engines/special edition models. Anyway,god bless bro
Or just buy a real cam.... It’s not like they’re difficult nor expensive 😂😂
I ordered a stage 1 ecu which included ghost cams among other things but unfortunately my car hated the ghost cams. So I purchased the proper cable needed and downloaded romraider and am trying to get rid of only the ghost cams but I have no idea what values to change to get rid of the ghost cams.