Hey I’m a big fan my name is Nico Munoz I’m from Lubbock tx I’m 13 I’ve been playing for 8 years still have to got sponsored I have 3 pdga wins if I was given a chance I would shoot to the stars I don’t really go to big tournaments except the ones around me I was hoping If u could help me out with that
You should give them a shot Cory, message me and I’ll hook it up with some deals if you want to try anything out, I have a ton of backup stuff and discs I don’t throw and would love to turn someone onto Prodigy.
Enter to win one of three prize packs that include a Prodigy Kevin Jones Signature Series M3 and a Cap from Legit by liking the video and leaving a comment below telling us what disc in Kevin’s bag has caught your eye! The winner will be announced this Friday on IG via instagram.com/kevin_jones116/ and instagram.com/jomezpro/ so make sure you’re following both accounts so you don’t miss out!
I'm very confused. I thought there was only one run of 750 x1's. I thought 5he mold cracked and they couldn't repair it. So how is their two different versions of x1's in 750 that have different flight numbers.
Kevin Jones has been an incredible addition to Prodigy I can’t get enough of Kevin Jones this year. Jomez thanks for producing such high quality disc golf coverage!!!!
Kevin is killing it with his Prodigy discs. He is an exceptional player and his commentary is probably on par with his play. He is an asset to the game.
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He is an incredibly kind person, glad I could meet him st EO last week. The PA-2 looks money and I could see myself getting it soon!
I think I’m gonna have to get my hands on one of those H3V2s. Watching Kevin play and evolve into the golfer he is today has been nothing short of a thing of beauty. I see a future world champ in the making.
I love how most of his discs are beat-in/well worn. It's also cool that he bags a few that friends gave him. I really dig the 400G PA-2. I am gonna have to get a few and try em out.
The A2 as a midrange is was caught my eye. I’ve been using an A4 as an actual upshot disc and never thought of using it for a midrange. I also am not surprised that he only has one Fairway driver. If I could bomb like that I wouldn’t need more than one either lol. I dig the athletic aspect of Kevin’s game. Even his putting style is super crazy yet smooth. Awesome player. Sports needs more like him! Professional and fun to watch!
So amazing to see this!!! Congrats to Kevin for the sponsorship. I’m always looking for Jones on cards posting online. Love watching his game and hope the best for the future! Great first in the bag! Hopefully many more to come in the coming seasons. Was super excited when I saw this pop up on my RUclips feed!
What cought my eye was the brothership of KJ and SP, sharing disc and knowledge to each other! Really love those guys, so humble and incredebly talented!
The KJ 750 Spectrum M3 definitely would fit right in my rotation straight out of the plastic. Also big shoutout to Prodigy for giving my boy Kevin a shot and treating him the way an athlete with his talent and heart should be treated. He’s one of the most solid disc golf players I’ve ever played against and an even better person. Keep making your AR fam proud bro!
Thank you, Ambassador Jones. I'm surprised more Prodigy guys aren't leaning on the X1. That is the best utility/overstable disc I've ever thrown. Absolutely fantastic.
One of my favorite shots to watch in the game is Kevin Jones effortlessly throwing a putter dead straight to the moon. PA-3 has caught my eye this year!
That PA-2 caught my eye the most! After him explaining how well it works for him and how far he can get it, that’s just incredible! I need to borrow one from a friend and try it out
The 750 Spectrum H3 V2 caught my eye. I’ve been looking for a fairway driver to do just that, but I can’t seem to find one that works for me. I’m going to give this one a try for sure. Thanks JomezPro
Kevin, you've been killing it on tour this year! Hope you keep it up. I recently put a 400G F5 back in my bag after a couple years of not using it and I have no idea why I ever stopped. Glad you had good things to say about it too.
Kevin Jones quickly became one of my favorite players. The power of his straddle putts just blows me away. The only prodigy disc I bag right now is a 350G PA1 that I use to putt. Something about that disc just makes sense for me. Definitely gonna be digging into the prodigy catalog after this. Thanks KJ, and thank you Jomez for all you do for this sport!
What stuck out the most in his bag to me was all the letters. I miss the names, leopard, stal, cloud breaker etc. But I'd still love to try throwing some of those prodigy discs. I've never owned one.
I'm astounded Kevin even messes with an F5! They're so good for super long turnovers but I would have never thought his power would let him throw it as anything other than a roller
I've been waiting for a Kevin Jones in the bag. I was stoked to see when this showed up in my notifications. I want to see how those PA-3's fly as a driving putter always love finding driving putters.
The A2 is a brilliant disc. I have one and as it gets beat in, it just flies forever. The 400 H3V2 also looks good, never tried it though. What really caught my eyes, was the 400G team stamped M3. That looks amazing.
The A2 caught my eye because I don't have an overstable approach disc in my bag and it could really fill that hole! Kevin's passion for the sport and the discs that have been rocking for him is so evident. Fast becoming favorite pro.
Loved Kevin’s ITB and the H3V2. I used to primarily throw Trilogy, but have started trying other brands, especially brands Made in the USA. A friend of mine let me throw his PA4 and I fell in love with it as a throwing putter. I just love the 400 plastic, so I now also bag an A4, M3, F5, and H3V2. That H3V2 is sweet. Four of the disc are clear, because I love that look although it is a very impractical color to throw and find in the woods or anywhere else. Wishing Kevin the best as he is the player I most like to watch now. Also, he does great commentary with Seppo.
The A2's and PA3's really caught my eye. I'm looking to change up my approach and putt game and they seem like some great options to put in my bag. I'm really looking forward to trying out some prodigy plastic.
Met Kevin briefly at ledgestone. Such a great guy. He was so personal and passionate. He is a guy you want to root for. Never thrown prodigy before but he makes me want to give it a shot. Makes me want to try a 400G D2.
The 400G H3 has caught my eye for sure , just started playing a few months ago and love the prodigy feel but am very new to where distance drivers are a little tougher for me to throw so I’ll prob try and grab a H3 and see how it will work for me
The D2 really caught my eye. I don't really bag many distance drivers since i play alot of short wooded courses, so def gonna look into the D2 to expand my bag into that max distance category
the disc that caught my eye the most is the F5. im still looking for a fairway driver with a lot of reliable turn, and it looks like that could fill the slot!
I have an m3 in my bag that I had him sign at the memorial. Been thinking about getting an m4 to fit the more understable mid spot for a while. And just got a d2 a couple weeks ago and am loving it. Definitely gonna end up with s couple more of those soon too!
That F5 looks awesome! I like the flight numbers of that disc! Really think that would be a good addition to my bag. That H3v2 plastic looks grippy and really sick! 😊
The A2 definitely seems like a disc that would fit my bag perfectly. Also the H3V2 is fantastic, my favorite disc so I could always use more and maybe will pick up another one.
The 400g F5 looks interesting as I am still learning to throw a proper forehand. So, I´m really looking for those kind of discs that has a good amount of turn och glide for my backhand. Thanks Jomez for all your amazing work and good luck Kevin!
Kevin talking about the D2 actually made me stop the video so I could look up more detailed information regarding the plastic types and the projected flight path and distance. The flight numbers (especially the glide) are very appealing for a disc that could give me a longer sidearm distance drive. I don't have a Prodigy disc in my bag yet, but I'm a HUGE Kevin Jones fan and actually bought his signature series H2 V2 just to help support his pro touring. After hearing him talk about the D2, I think a Prodigy disc is finally going to make my bag.
The 400g d2 caught my eye because I love hearing pros talk about their favorite discs to throw. I'll be looking out for it when I see Kevin on all the Jomez lead cards he'll be on in the future!
Just bought a H3V2 cus of Kevin Jones and just got the into prodigy because of their plastic and I can’t lie Kevin is my favorite golfer on tour right now :) that 750 H3V2 caught my eye. Go get it Kev you are killing it this year 👍👍
I have thrown a couple D2s. Gave em away for others, not prodigy. I have a pretty brand specific bag and I’m lovin it. But I love watching Kevin. He’s so smooth and consistent. I have watched and studied his approach and technique and like to think I have a similar one. No I’m not throwing 450-500+. But I’ll get there.
Glad you got the Arkansas boy on an In The Bag! I requested it on Patreon a while back, but figured it was a long shot! I'm surprised he isn't bagging his signature 750 Spectrum H2V2, one of my favorite drivers in my bag, but I may have to check out a D-1 to be my new sidearm disc after watching this! Thanks Jomez! Keep up the great work!
Never thrown prodigy but been lovin watchin this man play so far this year! Killin it! I'm diggin the look of that team stamp 400G M3 been lookin to find some more mids to bag
I love that you have one of my buddies Keith disc with his moms pdga number on it, he was a little excited when he came home from your with Kevin and he was a bit excited knowing it’s in the bag. Keep up the great work Kev
@Chymistry they're kinda nice. A little more overstable than you'd expect a "3" disc from prodigy to be... But the flatter too makes them feel a little faster, and they fit in the hand well
I really would love to try out a 750 X1, but I have understood that you cant get it anymore. Also, the 750 M3 signature series caught my eye, since I have a seasoned one, which has turned a little understable, and would absolutely LOVE to have a stable one again. May very well be the best disc I have ever thrown. Thank you Kevin, Jomez and Prodigy for all that you do.
We've got H1s and M4s available in that ridiculous spectrum plastic over at www.jomezpro.com/product-category/discs/prodigy/ Thanks for watching!
Hey I’m a big fan my name is Nico Munoz I’m from Lubbock tx I’m 13 I’ve been playing for 8 years still have to got sponsored I have 3 pdga wins if I was given a chance I would shoot to the stars I don’t really go to big tournaments except the ones around me I was hoping If u could help me out with that
These "In the bag" videos are awesome! Thanks for making them!!
I'm liking that redish orange 400G D2. I could easily throw it 300 feet less than Kevin.
This comment aged well😂
@@paxtonneal5 thank you
Never thrown a prodigy disc but Kevin's a cool dude
Cory Burbank their plastic ain’t bad. I got the catrina Allen f7 and its a great roller or hyper flip to turnover disc
They are making some really nice discs this year. The new MX-3 is super solid
Throw a 400g D2. They fly foreeeeeever.
@@NosillaWilla *hyzer flip
You should give them a shot Cory, message me and I’ll hook it up with some deals if you want to try anything out, I have a ton of backup stuff and discs I don’t throw and would love to turn someone onto Prodigy.
Seppo's gifted discs all stood out as awesome we all need a friend like Seppo!!
Enter to win one of three prize packs that include a Prodigy Kevin Jones Signature Series M3 and a Cap from Legit by liking the video and leaving a comment below telling us what disc in Kevin’s bag has caught your eye! The winner will be announced this Friday on IG via instagram.com/kevin_jones116/ and instagram.com/jomezpro/ so make sure you’re following both accounts so you don’t miss out!
I'm very confused. I thought there was only one run of 750 x1's. I thought 5he mold cracked and they couldn't repair it. So how is their two different versions of x1's in 750 that have different flight numbers.
@@thelegendarye2430 because Kevin Jones is a warlock
@@zanierrules hes having an affair with gateway....
Am I late?
Uncle Seppo is the gift that keeps on giving.
Kevin Jones has been an incredible addition to Prodigy I can’t get enough of Kevin Jones this year. Jomez thanks for producing such high quality disc golf coverage!!!!
Great ITB! Kevin Jones is awesome! I've got one of his stamped discs set back never to be thrown again!
Thanks @JomezPro for the awesome video, and well done Kevin! #KJUSA
Just started throwing Prodigy discs and I've become a huge fan. Great job guys.
Kevin is killing it with his Prodigy discs. He is an exceptional player and his commentary is probably on par with his play. He is an asset to the game.
He is an incredibly kind person, glad I could meet him st EO last week. The PA-2 looks money and I could see myself getting it soon!
I think I’m gonna have to get my hands on one of those H3V2s.
Watching Kevin play and evolve into the golfer he is today has been nothing short of a thing of beauty. I see a future world champ in the making.
I love how most of his discs are beat-in/well worn. It's also cool that he bags a few that friends gave him. I really dig the 400G PA-2. I am gonna have to get a few and try em out.
The A2 as a midrange is was caught my eye. I’ve been using an A4 as an actual upshot disc and never thought of using it for a midrange. I also am not surprised that he only has one Fairway driver. If I could bomb like that I wouldn’t need more than one either lol.
I dig the athletic aspect of Kevin’s game. Even his putting style is super crazy yet smooth.
Awesome player. Sports needs more like him! Professional and fun to watch!
Kevin does a good job of making me want everyone of his discs!
So amazing to see this!!! Congrats to Kevin for the sponsorship. I’m always looking for Jones on cards posting online. Love watching his game and hope the best for the future!
Great first in the bag! Hopefully many more to come in the coming seasons.
Was super excited when I saw this pop up on my RUclips feed!
You can never go wrong with those X1s 😍 will forever catch my eye!
What cought my eye was the brothership of KJ and SP, sharing disc and knowledge to each other! Really love those guys, so humble and incredebly talented!
The KJ 750 Spectrum M3 definitely would fit right in my rotation straight out of the plastic.
Also big shoutout to Prodigy for giving my boy Kevin a shot and treating him the way an athlete with his talent and heart should be treated. He’s one of the most solid disc golf players I’ve ever played against and an even better person. Keep making your AR fam proud bro!
No kidding. Kevin is gonna make Prodigy some money with this in the bag!
K Jones!!! Killing it. So glad to see him repping prodigy. Touring with Seppo who is also killing it. They are like prodigy’s crush boys.
Thank you, Ambassador Jones. I'm surprised more Prodigy guys aren't leaning on the X1. That is the best utility/overstable disc I've ever thrown. Absolutely fantastic.
That proto M2 is dope. Really digging the KJ Arkansas stamp on the discs, very cool.
The 750 Spectrum H3V2 flys sonice off the flip up! I need to bag one like that! Gotta find one ASAP! Those drivers are all clutch 🤘🏽
Love that Seppo graphic! 🤣 those H1s are sleek
I’m always a sucker for a good PA-3. Great for putting and throwing off the tee!
One of my favorite shots to watch in the game is Kevin Jones effortlessly throwing a putter dead straight to the moon. PA-3 has caught my eye this year!
That PA-2 caught my eye the most! After him explaining how well it works for him and how far he can get it, that’s just incredible! I need to borrow one from a friend and try it out
The green D1 caught my eye. I'm really liking the feel of flat top discs and that flight path just looks so pure. Such a smooth looking arc.
The 750 Spectrum H3 V2 caught my eye. I’ve been looking for a fairway driver to do just that, but I can’t seem to find one that works for me. I’m going to give this one a try for sure. Thanks JomezPro
I got the chance to keep stats at the SFO alongside Kevin and Sepo this year, and I remember him throwing that red 400g D2. The dude crushes!!
Kevin, you've been killing it on tour this year! Hope you keep it up.
I recently put a 400G F5 back in my bag after a couple years of not using it and I have no idea why I ever stopped. Glad you had good things to say about it too.
Kevin Jones quickly became one of my favorite players. The power of his straddle putts just blows me away. The only prodigy disc I bag right now is a 350G PA1 that I use to putt. Something about that disc just makes sense for me. Definitely gonna be digging into the prodigy catalog after this. Thanks KJ, and thank you Jomez for all you do for this sport!
The 400g f5, the amount of left to right movement he got on that disc through the air was insane, it looks like a disc I have to try out!
What stuck out the most in his bag to me was all the letters. I miss the names, leopard, stal, cloud breaker etc. But I'd still love to try throwing some of those prodigy discs. I've never owned one.
I'm astounded Kevin even messes with an F5! They're so good for super long turnovers but I would have never thought his power would let him throw it as anything other than a roller
Noah Elliott they are so money for those super smooth control shots. The F3 is killer as well.
Great to get a glimpse inside his bag of tricks. I guess I'll have to pickup a couple M3s and some D2s!
Love the red 400 D2's! Been looking for those! I just picked up a D2 max and love it!
What weights are your putters?
The A2 seems like a great disc, might have to give it a try!
These In the Bag videos are very well made and edited! Love watching em!
I've been waiting for a Kevin Jones in the bag. I was stoked to see when this showed up in my notifications. I want to see how those PA-3's fly as a driving putter always love finding driving putters.
Thanks for the video. Been wanting to know what he threw. The color of the a2 and m2 proto caught my eye.
The A2 is a brilliant disc. I have one and as it gets beat in, it just flies forever. The 400 H3V2 also looks good, never tried it though. What really caught my eyes, was the 400G team stamped M3. That looks amazing.
I've been putting and driving with Pa-1's for a long time, but I might just have to switch to one of those beautiful Dickerson Pa-3's for my drives!
That 400G PA-2 looks awesome. Would love to try it and see if i can get it to fly straight on the Finnish courses
The A2 caught my eye because I don't have an overstable approach disc in my bag and it could really fill that hole! Kevin's passion for the sport and the discs that have been rocking for him is so evident. Fast becoming favorite pro.
Kevin Jones is one of my favorite people to watch play the game... I've been waiting for his ITB video...
Loved Kevin’s ITB and the H3V2. I used to primarily throw Trilogy, but have started trying other brands, especially brands Made in the USA. A friend of mine let me throw his PA4 and I fell in love with it as a throwing putter. I just love the 400 plastic, so I now also bag an A4, M3, F5, and H3V2. That H3V2 is sweet. Four of the disc are clear, because I love that look although it is a very impractical color to throw and find in the woods or anywhere else. Wishing Kevin the best as he is the player I most like to watch now. Also, he does great commentary with Seppo.
The Uli pa3s will always catch the eye, that specific run had awesome glide to putt with
I'm really thinking an h3v2 might be my next addition. I really like the way it flies when he throws it.
Stephen Allain I’m a huge fan. The H4V2 is a really nice one as well for a little more turn.
I like the way a lot of discs fly when the pros throw them. If only throwing the same disc translated into the same flight patterns ;)
Stephen Allain H3v2 not only flies great it feels great in the hand too. I liked it from the first throw.
I have an h2v2 and an h4v2. Just like the h3v2 flight for nice and straight. Seems like a disc I need to add.
I love those PA3’s that he uses for his throwing putters. I saw him at DGLO and couldn’t believe how well he throws them
Thanks Kevin and the Jomez crew. Love watching the in the bag videos.
Love that he throws the OG H3! Great disc!
The OG H3s are stunning! I carry multiple in my bag and have never had a thought of taking them out because of how consistent they are.
I really liked the way the H3 V2 flied, might have to add it to my bag soon
The A2's and PA3's really caught my eye. I'm looking to change up my approach and putt game and they seem like some great options to put in my bag. I'm really looking forward to trying out some prodigy plastic.
I just bought an M4 and it’s the best feeling mid range I have thrown. Replaced my buzzz!
Jarred Fedewa they are so money. I use the 750 for straighter shots, and it’s surprisingly stable.
Really like thos M3s. So great to see kevin getting some attention. He has really been growing and gaining recognition.
KJ is on his way to super stardom and a World Championship 100%
KJv2 lol
Awesome stuff! Kevin is very well spoken. Dudes going to be winning a lot of big events soon.
Met Kevin briefly at ledgestone. Such a great guy. He was so personal and passionate. He is a guy you want to root for. Never thrown prodigy before but he makes me want to give it a shot. Makes me want to try a 400G D2.
The 400G H3 has caught my eye for sure , just started playing a few months ago and love the prodigy feel but am very new to where distance drivers are a little tougher for me to throw so I’ll prob try and grab a H3 and see how it will work for me
The D2 really caught my eye. I don't really bag many distance drivers since i play alot of short wooded courses, so def gonna look into the D2 to expand my bag into that max distance category
Just started playing a couple weeks . Liking the 400 A2
the disc that caught my eye the most is the F5. im still looking for a fairway driver with a lot of reliable turn, and it looks like that could fill the slot!
I have an m3 in my bag that I had him sign at the memorial. Been thinking about getting an m4 to fit the more understable mid spot for a while. And just got a d2 a couple weeks ago and am loving it. Definitely gonna end up with s couple more of those soon too!
The Kevin Jones signature M3 caught my eye! They were so nice I had to buy one for myself at the Prodigy Discs booth at DGLO this year!
That F5 looks awesome! I like the flight numbers of that disc! Really think that would be a good addition to my bag. That H3v2 plastic looks grippy and really sick! 😊
The 400 H3V2 seems like a great disc. Kevin throws those so well
The 400G PA-2 has definitely caught my eye. Might be the next addition to my bag for a throwing putter. Awesome video as always!
The A2 definitely seems like a disc that would fit my bag perfectly. Also the H3V2 is fantastic, my favorite disc so I could always use more and maybe will pick up another one.
The 400g F5 looks interesting as I am still learning to throw a proper forehand. So, I´m really looking for those kind of discs that has a good amount of turn och glide for my backhand. Thanks Jomez for all your amazing work and good luck Kevin!
the disc that caught my i was 100% sure x1, those are so rare these days and very sweet discs. love u kev!
Kevin talking about the D2 actually made me stop the video so I could look up more detailed information regarding the plastic types and the projected flight path and distance. The flight numbers (especially the glide) are very appealing for a disc that could give me a longer sidearm distance drive. I don't have a Prodigy disc in my bag yet, but I'm a HUGE Kevin Jones fan and actually bought his signature series H2 V2 just to help support his pro touring. After hearing him talk about the D2, I think a Prodigy disc is finally going to make my bag.
That red d2 caught my eyes. d2s are 💰💰💰one of the best disc prodigy makes in my opinion
I've seen him throwing that Red D2 everywhere, from Goat Hill to DGLO and on the European circuit. That thing is an absolute workhorse!
The 400g d2 caught my eye because I love hearing pros talk about their favorite discs to throw. I'll be looking out for it when I see Kevin on all the Jomez lead cards he'll be on in the future!
That H3 V2 had a beautiful flight. Really liking how these videos are presented.
dela 19 with a 300g M1 was my first ace... I think it's about time to get some prodigy back in my bag!
I have got to throw a M3 once and I parked it so it has peeked my interest. Love to watch Kevin play. Thanks for the video.
The X1 catches everyone’s eye. Awesome ITB Kevin, Jomez Pro always on point with great coverage.
Great ITB! I would love to try out an m3 or pa2!
Just bought a H3V2 cus of Kevin Jones and just got the into prodigy because of their plastic and I can’t lie Kevin is my favorite golfer on tour right now :) that 750 H3V2 caught my eye. Go get it Kev you are killing it this year 👍👍
I have thrown a couple D2s. Gave em away for others, not prodigy. I have a pretty brand specific bag and I’m lovin it. But I love watching Kevin. He’s so smooth and consistent. I have watched and studied his approach and technique and like to think I have a similar one. No I’m not throwing 450-500+. But I’ll get there.
Im big into mids so looks like my collection will get a bit larger into some prodigy. Sweet video guys as always.
Just starting to throw Prodigy discs; really interested in trying some 350G PA-3’s! Friend has a few and they feel great.
Definitely the X1. Something that overstable is truly unique.
Glad you got the Arkansas boy on an In The Bag! I requested it on Patreon a while back, but figured it was a long shot!
I'm surprised he isn't bagging his signature 750 Spectrum H2V2, one of my favorite drivers in my bag, but I may have to check out a D-1 to be my new sidearm disc after watching this!
Thanks Jomez! Keep up the great work!
Tbh the H3v2 seems like the kind of disc I tend to use as my main drivers.
It has quickly become my go-to driver for any situation. Learning to disc down has changed the way I approach the game.
Those M3s are gorgeous! Love Kevin's stamp, and think the splatter design turned out very well.
The H3v2 is the only prodigy disc I bag. Great disc. I'd love to try some of their other molds.
Never thrown prodigy but been lovin watchin this man play so far this year! Killin it! I'm diggin the look of that team stamp 400G M3 been lookin to find some more mids to bag
I love that you have one of my buddies Keith disc with his moms pdga number on it, he was a little excited when he came home from your with Kevin and he was a bit excited knowing it’s in the bag. Keep up the great work Kev
I have never skipped an ad so quick on a video!!!!
Thanks? We guess lol
Just got PA-3 350G. Haven't thrown it yet but really like the feel.
@Chymistry they're kinda nice. A little more overstable than you'd expect a "3" disc from prodigy to be... But the flatter too makes them feel a little faster, and they fit in the hand well
All Seppo Pajus old discs caught my eye. But if one I would love to try x1.
Definitely going to have to look into the H3V2. Really like something with a little turn and a consistent fade
I really would love to try out a 750 X1, but I have understood that you cant get it anymore. Also, the 750 M3 signature series caught my eye, since I have a seasoned one, which has turned a little understable, and would absolutely LOVE to have a stable one again. May very well be the best disc I have ever thrown. Thank you Kevin, Jomez and Prodigy for all that you do.
been needing an off the tee putter. I think the pa3 might do it
Have been throwing some Prodigy Discs but haven't tried the putters yet. Might buy some PA3s. Thanks for the video!
I bag an F5 too! It’s my go to hyzer flip turnover disc! Thank you Jomez for this much needed ITB!