Why do We Love War? | Ancient Greece Revisited

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @Balidor
    @Balidor 3 года назад +16

    The enosis of Aphrodite and Ares giving birth to Harmony, is one of the most dialectic images ever!

  • @emsoumelgmail
    @emsoumelgmail 3 года назад +8

    Superb work as always. Can't believe that your channel still has so few subs. It's a shame..

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +1

      True, but good things take time to happen. It’s better to establish a slow and steady growth than a boom and flunk. Thank you very much for the good words!

  • @erikandersson1668
    @erikandersson1668 3 года назад +5

    Found this channel through Survive the jive. Im glad I did, this is awesome. Great production, and being a pagan veteran, this rings true.

  • @ifinoexanthacos
    @ifinoexanthacos 3 года назад +8

    Love and War! Always loved the story of Ares and Aphrodite. Great video!

  • @thebronzepill7892
    @thebronzepill7892 3 года назад +4

    Brilliant work. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
    Ever since reading Evola's Metaphysics of War my perspective on it has changed in numerous ways. I think it is hard from our materialist perspective to understand the nature of glory and transcendence present within war, but once that perspective is altered it seems it is impossible to go back. I read Homer maybe twice a year, and I know this transcendent feeling is what keeps me coming back.
    An aside - I'd love to see you do a video on Lycurgus (and maybe on the nature of Ancient Greek city states founding figures in general)!

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +3

      Thank you for your comment. Yes, the Metaphysics of War has been an inspiration, although you will find more related to this episode in James Hillman's book. "A Terrible Love of War" - g.co/kgs/1T4LBx.

  • @alejandromartinezcorredor6493
    @alejandromartinezcorredor6493 3 года назад +4

    Excellent video, as usual. Best regards!!

  • @dimitriosgiorgi8957
    @dimitriosgiorgi8957 2 года назад +2

    Finally a video that does Ares Justuce. For what is a war god if he does not reprent the lose and destain for war, yet still a tanking warrior Beautiful and Savage. Ares is the example of how you should fight for Love however should ur love be flawed your fight will be self destructive. Ares comes for those who commit injustice such as Sisyphus and Halirrhotuis. Understand that even though his lose to Athena, Ares as a patron will always protect against injustice.

    • @agentofchaos7456
      @agentofchaos7456 9 месяцев назад

      Plato even said that Ares was the patron of the police force, iirc.

  • @wilmhoff1334
    @wilmhoff1334 3 года назад +12

    I absolutely love your channel. It's one of the most underrated channels I have come across. Every classroom should show these videos to children. Have you considered posting these videos on Odysee? Do you have a telegram channel?

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад

      We are considering alternative platforms indeed. But do you believe that our show will fit Odysee? (Apart from the name of course, hahaha). From that little that we've seen, this platform has very low viewership. What do you think?

  • @johnchatzis3998
    @johnchatzis3998 3 года назад +3

    Keep it up guys! Once again ultra high quality! Thank you!

  • @Roamfarandwide
    @Roamfarandwide 3 года назад +4

    Another fantastic video! Bravo!

  • @Hhjik98
    @Hhjik98 3 года назад +2

    Great Job, comrade.

  • @RaineHoltz
    @RaineHoltz 3 года назад +4

    Amazing video as always!

  • @TinyEpics
    @TinyEpics 3 года назад +4

    Really nice and informative video. An inspiration for my own channel. Loved it!

  • @Rielven
    @Rielven 3 года назад +4

    What an excellent work! Thank you! 😊

  • @Marion10610
    @Marion10610 3 года назад +5

    I subscribed to your channel after watching your interview with Michael Millerman.
    It is great to see that your videos have Spanish subtitles.
    Portuguese is my native language but I am fluent in English. And I can understand a little bit of Spanish, too...
    Could you please consider adding Portuguese subtitles to these videos from your playlist on War?
    If you add Portuguese subtitles to your videos, the content of your channel will reach Lusophones from all these countries: Portugal, Brazil, Mozambique, Angola, Guinea-Bissau, East Timor, Equatorial Guinea, Macau, Cape Verde, and São Tomé and Príncipe.
    But especially in my country, Brazil, I know that there is a male audience that would like to watch the content of your playlist about war. By adding Portuguese subtitles to your videos, you will certainly expand the number of subscribers to your channel.
    Your playlist about war is amazing!
    Greetings from Brazil
    =)

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +1

      That is an excellent idea. If you would consider the job, please write to me at michael@agr-series.com. Thank you!

    • @Marion10610
      @Marion10610 3 года назад +1

      @@AncientGreeceRevisited
      I am glad you liked it! I will e-mail you as soon as I have time. Thank you for replying!

  • @ΑποστολοςΠαγωνης-π1ν
    @ΑποστολοςΠαγωνης-π1ν 3 года назад +1

    Magnificent topics and approach! Keep it up guys, best of luck and success

  • @gusgus1816
    @gusgus1816 10 месяцев назад

    Cool channel thank u for your work AGR

  • @ThomiX0.0
    @ThomiX0.0 3 года назад +3

    Impressive as always AGR!
    In the first sentence of your written announcement, you ask us why we seem to love war that much..
    First; we ourselves are not the maker of Love, a brain is never 'true' enough to become the 'unconditioned' one, and could not handle that.
    As a matter of fact, our brain by learning its content from others, is conditioned through its core.
    And how should the 'conditioned' make by wish the 'unconditioned'?
    Or even, how should the separator make a thing which is whole?
    This unimaginable greatness is not a construct of men, as he would ruin it by thoughts.
    And war?
    Second; the war does not overcome the humans, it is its separation by his own thoughts.
    Thoughts concentrated by the condition of my brain, creating the difference, the enemy.
    I might say, the war is me, following the confusion of the brain, and as such always without the free-attention which is the only tool Love uses, in order for me to experience the whole..
    As far as I know, there is not one war started..with this attention.
    Attention is not a part of confusion.
    And the word 'Love' used to express my wish is actually creed, as every wish is.
    Well, when the question has the wrong base, the answer makes more confusion, I think.
    But that is just me thinking out loud.:-)
    thanks for the moment!

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +2

      And thank you for the comment! ;-)
      Yet, what we try to show throughout our channel is a different approach to the "brain-centered" one that seems to have dominated our culture. To understand the paganism of ancient Greece one has to move "downstream" - so to speak - from the "things" around him to their appearing. War is an event, a "thing" that we can talk about, and when we do, we see it as destructive and horrible. But for the eye-witnesses who experienced it just as it appeared, it showed that secretly this phenomenon is related to its seemingly opposite: Love.
      The mythologies of ancient Greece were not created by molecular biologists sitting comfortably in labs looking at brain-scans, but by warrior, who experienced war first hand and perhaps saw something that no CAT-scanner can ever show. In this episode we tried to express what this might be.

    • @ThomiX0.0
      @ThomiX0.0 3 года назад

      @@AncientGreeceRevisited , thanks for your explanation, as this is the reason for me to follow your posts.
      For my reaction, I had two options: comment on the maker of the myth, or comment on the ideas we seem to have today. And I took the last one.
      However, as myths should do to us, it worked as a continuation in my brain..:-)
      A brain that tries to understand the maker of the myth.
      And wat it came up with is this: Ares did not loved war, he very much liked war..which is actually greed.
      As we still say today; I love this car, I love this house, I love this faith, etc..
      His greedy movements brought him even to urge this woman..which wasn't his own..( although he might say.. it is love..)
      And in the likeliness of war, he might even see the artful action of violence as his love.
      But please help me out here, as I do not know how deep the Ancient Greeks went?
      Love..( not mine, yours or Ares') is never related.
      If it was, it would not be unconditional at all.
      So, do I use the 'real' to understand the elder in myself, or should I take it as a 'story'? :-)
      Thanks again!

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад

      @@ThomiX0.0 Ares was not a person, but a god. And the problem with understanding this difference is that we live in a very "objectified" world, where we are constantly surrounded by "things," whether these are tables, chairs, computers, or planets supernovas, atoms, and... as of recent, microbes. But the Greeks worshiped among other gods, a goddess named Aurora (Ἠώς), goddess of dawn. What is the dawn? Is it a thing, or just an idea in my head? And if that is so, how did my "brain" (as you say) manage to carve it out as "a something" from a rather uniform existence? And dawn as "a something" is but an illusion in that brain, why is anything else real? Clearly, the Cartesian ontology that we have inherited from the Enlightenment does not work in the understanding of Greek paganism. So, you say "Ares did not love war," or "Ares like war." Are was War! The "real" that you mention is the phenomenon that we (mortals) call war. The "story" is Ares looking like a man going about his business. It's the other way round once you switch ontologies.

  • @stalingaleon
    @stalingaleon 3 года назад +1

    Great Video man, Greetings from Bolivia

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад

      Greetings. Hope you had a chance to see our Spanish subtitles as well...

  • @paultria
    @paultria 3 года назад +1

    Σας ευχαριστουμε για το εργο σας. Αναδείξατε το ξεχασμένο και παρερμηνευμενο Αρχαίο Ελληνικό Πολιτισμό, εξηγώντας την δύσκολη μορφή του στο πλαίσιο τις σημερινής μας κοινωνίας, παντρεύοντας μουσική, εικόνα, λογική, συναίσθημα, πάθος, αλληγορία, φαντασία, ιστορία, ψυχολογία μυθολογία και άλλα.
    Περιμένουμε και μεγαλύτερα σε μέγεθος βίντεο γιανα εμβαθύνουνε περισσότερο. Διψάμε :)

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад

      Ευχαριστούμε κι εμείς πάρα πολύ. Είναι μηνύματα σαν το δικό σας που μας κάνει να συνεχίζουμε.

  • @flavinhodopneu8645
    @flavinhodopneu8645 3 года назад +3

    great video, came here thanks to carlos

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +3

      Thank you. Carlos?

    • @flavinhodopneu8645
      @flavinhodopneu8645 3 года назад +3

      carlos alberto sanches has a youtube channel, he's brazilian and makes great videos.

    • @Marion10610
      @Marion10610 3 года назад +1

      @Flavinhodopneu
      Grata pelo apoio e comentário positivo, Flavinho!
      =)

  • @gyulanoesis
    @gyulanoesis 3 года назад +2

    Thank you AGR. I appreciated this video. It is true that nothing can be compared to making war. There is no higher human adventure. (By the way, I laughed about « How strange for the notorious patriarchs the Greeks are supposed to have been! »)

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +1

      Yes, the image of ancient Greece becomes very different once you study the original texts and culture rather than modern interpretations of it.

  • @bwedin
    @bwedin 3 года назад +2

    Chris Hedges' first and best book is entitled: War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning. That is certainly true of Americans. We have always been at war and loved it--killing our way across the continent before taking Cuba, Puerto Rico, Nicaragua, Hawaii, and the Philippines before switching to a new colonial model after WW2 of destroying fledgling socialist democracies like that headed by Prime Minister Mosaddegh in Iran in 1953 and installing like the Shah in their place.

  • @alessandrazacco1806
    @alessandrazacco1806 3 года назад +1

    I think I found the answer in Tiziano Terzani's work and meditations.

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +1

      Please do share ...

    • @alessandrazacco1806
      @alessandrazacco1806 3 года назад

      @@AncientGreeceRevisited Tiziano Terzani, Lettere contro la guerra, TEA, Milano 2004 (Longanesi, Milano 2002). It would be necessary to read again the whole debate on Sept. 11th 2001 between Terzani and Fallaci. If you want I can send to you a narrow reconstruction, but I do not have your mail address. Best.

  • @ДаниилФролов-м3л

    I love this channel, it helped me understand some things better, but in this case I feel some inaccuracy. Names of planets ultimately come from Mesopotamian pantheon (Greeks changed them with their analogues, and Romans with their). Mars was Nergal. And Nergal is a more complex god than Ares. Nergal is not just god of war, but generally violent death, plague, horror, and the underworld of the dead. While Ares didn't came far from just a personification of war (it seems many gods started as personifications but later became more complex characters). Well, he became a quite elaborated and symbolic personification, that myth about him and Aphrodite is beautiful. But still looks like he wasn't as important.
    While Roman Mars, again, was more complex and important (and in a way different than Nergal, if not opposite, sharing just the war aspect). He was a god of community, of a Roman man who was both a warrior and a farmer, so Mars is the god of both war and agriculture. Perhaps ultimately he even was the Indo-European storm god later replaced by Jupiter in that role.

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  Год назад +1

      I think what that shows are the different understandings of war in these various cultures that you mentioned. I don't think there is always a one-to-one correspondence between gods, between there is not a one-to-one correspondence between the ways in which different people "compartmentalise" the world. The kingly function can "bleed" into agriculture in an agrarian people, while be connected with war in a pastoral one. I think of our minds as a "cookie cutter" of sorts, where the raw material of the world is split into different elements and then assigned their god.

  • @inthemomenttomoment
    @inthemomenttomoment 2 года назад +1

    Zeus is right about not loving war, but Aries was forced to love war because they made him their God of War but did not give him the Victory (Nike in Pysche) that was due him for his Being Loved by the One Goddess of Love❤️🤺Aphrodite!

  • @alexgabriel5423
    @alexgabriel5423 3 года назад +1

    Ares as a name may survive in the name of the settlement Arieş found in Romania. Arieş means the Master of the Arians. It is known that the Dacians of Dacia--N Thrace were of Iranic/ Aryan origin...Iran is synonymous to Aryan. Thracians are considered to be Euroiranians by linguists. See R F Hodinott s The Thracians also translated into Greek. The 'esh' or eş ending is present in many endings of the names of rivers in Romania. This ending is also present in Hindi believe it or not! It is known that Ares was worshipped also by the Thracians.

  • @yaruqadishi8326
    @yaruqadishi8326 3 года назад +1

    Praise be to Lord Almighty Ares Eternal.

  • @alexgabriel5423
    @alexgabriel5423 3 года назад +1

    Euripides wrote in the Bacchantes that Dionysus was borrowed from the Thracians. It was shown that Dionysus was the same as Shiva-- the documentation was written by indologist Alain Danielou. Thracian inscriptions on three tablets was found on Samothrace in 1994 by archelogist Claude Brixhe of the University of Nantes France. The Athens School for the Classics seems to be unwilling to publish more than the vowel frequency comparison to Anatolian languages. 'Bravo' Greeks! Way to go in censorship of non-hellenic material!!

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +1

      Thank you for noticing. And sure, there must be agendas in academia that block true knowledge from reaching the majorities. Yet, having said that, I just don't believe the Thracian origins of Dionysus to be that important! Why does it matter? If it's true, as it appears to be, then yes, academics should acknowledge and promote it. But for us, non-academics, why does it matter so much? It does not to me. What matters are the aspects of life that Dionysus/Shiva represent. How to connect to them and take the warnings of Euripides in Bacchae at heart.

  • @issith7340
    @issith7340 9 месяцев назад

    Μπραβο!!

  • @strawsandneedles8733
    @strawsandneedles8733 3 года назад +3

    Now I understand American foreign policy - love oil, go to war ;)

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +2

      Hahah, not quite what we suggested, but an interpretation non-the-less. It's interesting to consider love of war for war's sake however. It might be frightening, but that does not make it false.

  • @dadaniti7822
    @dadaniti7822 3 года назад +1

    Τι; Τελείωσε; Μόνο 11 λεπτά 😱;

    • @AncientGreeceRevisited
      @AncientGreeceRevisited  3 года назад +1

      Θα το πάρουμε σαν κομπλιμέντο! (Πολλοί μας συμβουλεύαν στην αρχή να τα κρατήσουμε κάτω από 10.00, κάτι σαν τις εκπτώσεις δηλαδή 9,99!)

    • @dadaniti7822
      @dadaniti7822 3 года назад

      @@AncientGreeceRevisited Κομπλιμέντο είναι ❣️! Κατάλαβα, η μικρή διάρκεια ανταποκρίνεται περισσότερο στις ανάγκες του κοινού