When one of my favorites contents creators make a playthrough of a of game that just delivered at my door ... It's spark joy in my heart. Thanks for your work Mike :)
With AZ being the 1st hero I played in the original game and he's my favorite, love seeing how quickly he can recoup his broken items and how many extra plays he can do now.
Nice playthrough. Thanks! But, @36:59, the new Inventory Barrage says *Discard* any number of Item cards, not Destroy. I believe you are supposed to discard from hand in this case, but I believe you destroyed something that was in play (though it's difficult to tell)? But, yeah, this is a change from EE.
For Absolute Zero, Cold damage that was converted to healing doesn't count for Thermal Shockwave. So he wouldn't have taken that massive blast of fire at the end
I find it really funny that you talked about how you don't like Infrared Eyepiece against the one villain where that card is REQUIRED. You could have been using Infrared Eyepiece to check for Devastating Aurora and discard it. Yes, she shuffles her deck a lot with her constant discovery, but if you can find Devastating Aurora it's way better off in her trash than her deck.
So my game group has been playing Classic Sentinels for years. When I got the definitive edition we randomly selected our villain and environment like we always do and Citizen Dawn was the villain chosen. HOWEVER, my buddy accidentally grabbed the Critical Event Citizen Dawn instead. We still won, but damn, I can see why you'd need those collection cards to make them work.
I think you can turn the cold damage from absolute zero's fire damage = cold damage card to his own face to turn it into healing. You could in the old version, I didn't notice if they changed that. If you could do that it might have kept you alive a bit longer. It probably wouldn't have mattered.
Oh for sure, I was healing with that throughout the video. But if you mean the very end, I knew I wasn’t going to win, so wanted to at least blast Dawn a bit ;)
What do you consider to be more difficult/taxing to keep track of: three heroes in this game or 2 heroes in Marvel Champions? Does the fact that you're only worried about damage make this one better to solo (not true solo) than MC or is that the wrong impression?
I'd say this one with 3 is easier than MC with 2. Turns are very simple for each character here, whereas adding another MC hero gives you a lot more to deal with and track.
@@neutral1980 I have played the base game and available expansion content quite extensively over the last two years. Ultimately, I honestly feel it is a step up from the original game in every aspect. It does not change the core gameplay or feel, only smooths things out and speeds them up. If you played and enjoyed the original you will almost certainly like this more. If you played and did not like the original, it is unlikely to change your mind. if you never played the original at all, I would say it’s a great game for superhero fans who like strategic card games and don’t mind a little bit of bookkeeping and overhead. the decks are unique, the combos can be fantastic with some of the characters, but depending on the villain you are fighting the bookkeeping can be a handful.
I've played the digital version before, never had it physical and currently waiting for my copy from this Kickstarter. I'm gonna wait a while until I try this version of her, at least you survived a few rounds.
Thanks for the playthrough. All the things I didn't like playing this solo are still here, good to know. I won't have to buy it again and try it again. I do like the dials though.
Hey great gameplay! I want to start playing this game. Are they gonna make every expansion for this Definitive edition? Or this version can be play with every expansion already out there for the original??
They have already done a second Kickstarter for further content, so yes, it looks like they will be doing it all. That said, you can certainly use the old content with the new too. A few minor things were changed, rules-wise, but old stuff still works.
Good lord Citizen Dawn's minions have terrible synergy! I got my copy of this game last week and got 2 games in. I really liked it a lot, but now I fear the day where I go up against this villain!
They are a nightmare :) Of course, against REGULAR citizen Dawn it isn’t so bad since her ongoing cards stay gone. This specific scenario makes things way worse.
Hmmm now so far out of all card games this is one few that seem interesting. I'm interested in trying what hero would you recommend for newbie to try that's not to complex to use to work up from
They helpfully have complexity levels for each hero. I’d start with Ra (straightforward fire damage), Legacy (makes everyone else awesome), and Tachyon (super speed!) You will demolish almost any villain with that team :)
Wraith and bunker are great, though slightly tougher for a learning game because both allow you to search through your deck to choose cards, which can overwhelm new players :)
@@OneStopCoopShop sweet thanks again sounds like plan once i get to learn more and more beter and get more experienced gonna try shoot up to playing hero's like tempest, captain cosmic and omnitron x. This is why ur a great and underrated channel that doesn't get enough love or attention take time to reply back and give feedback keep it up
citizen dawn can be a beast and I'm not happy with her design... I was hoping for more from them in changing her to be challenging but also fun to deal with... there is a core mechanic that I do like and that is how each of the "sets" of citizens work off one another but then she just gets in the way and ruins it... I think if she didn't attack and just brought in more citizen that would of been a much better boss then how its currently designed... what a waste of potential... thanks for sharing...
Remember this is the alternate citizen Dawn for the super hard scenario. Regular citizen Dawn is much easier, though I agree she’s the least fun for me of the re-done villains!
According to the rules, when Devastating Aurora destroyed Absolute Zero's Item cards, triggering card plays and new Item cards being played, Devastating Aurora was still in effect and would have destroyed the new Item cards too. Page 21: "While an effect is resolving, if new cards enter play or something alters the elements of the game that can be affected, does the effect apply to the new cards/elements? Yes, effects essentially constantly check for anything they can affect, attempting to "solve" the game state until they are resolved. So, for example, an attack that hits all targets in play will hit any targets that come into play while that attack is happening." The same thing happens in the original version. For example, KNYFE's Focusing Conduit Blade lets you play an Equipment card when it's destroyed. If something destroys all Equipment cards, it destroys the Blade and anything played as a result of the Blade being destroyed.
Cool, thanks for the clarification! ...though this is an example of how they could have simplified and streamlined things a bit more... and chose not to ;)
On the plus side, damage Absolute Zero converts to healing doesn't count for Thermal Shockwave backlash, since he heals _instead_ of taking damage. It's never actually damage. Devastating Aurora is a little better with normal Dawn, since it now destroys all Ongoing cards instead of just Hero Ongoing cards, so she destroys her own cards. It's Eclipse Dawn making her Ongoing cards Indestructible that hurts here.
@@OneStopCoopShop I didn't even notice that myself. I did notice, however, that absolute Zero should've dealt cold damage off of Citizen Hammer's fire damage. 28:33 Its the complexity of this game that makes it awesome, as well as confusing. I've sent so many questions to the letters page podcast(which talks about the world of sentinel comics) Edit: you mentioned it yourself! should've just kept watching. Edit: You can also hit Absolute Zero with his card that converts fire damage he takes to cold damage.
@@wesleyjudson599 I mean I don't know about you all, but I'm 100% happy playing the game the way I think is correct and not worrying about all the little details. Though it helps to have you all with corrections on the playthroughs, since others see those ;)
I think you may have played Devastating Aurora wrong at the beginning of round 3. When Ice Shield was destroyed I believe Devastating Aurora was still resolving so that any cards Ice Shield played on destruction would still be destroyed by Devastating Aurora. I might be wrong about that though.
PS - You calculated the damage wrong for Absolute Zero at the end of the game. The card says when he would be dealt cold damage he heals instead. So you don't count the 9 points of healing. You only did 4 cold damage. This is why Absolute Zero is one of the most complicated heroes in the game. In your defense, playing a solo game gives you a lot to keep track of. Add on the changes to the cards given your historical knowledge of the previous version and I think you did a pretty darn good job. Sentinels has always played better with multiple people as you have more eyes keeping track of things. It is definitely a game for people that take joy in fun mechanical interactions between cards. While it is pretty simple at first, It can be a surprisingly deep game.
I would agree with your general assessment and would add that Speed is the biggest change that they made to the game. Both Heroes and Villains get going faster. Which is a lot of fun as you don't have to sit around trying to build up (although there is always the luck of the draw).
Interesting… so you are saying the damage is never dealt in the first place… yes, I can see that! Agree that the ramp up is faster. You get to the meaty goodness out of the gate :)
Great playthrough! I think I'm still gonna stick with the Steam version though. I hate keeping track of a bunch of stuff and the PC version does all that for you.
I was gonna buy that new version but I did not care about the art . The size of the villain cards are nice and having more variants too but I’ll keep my Enhanced Edition and buy some more expansions
@@OneStopCoopShop really well hell that's great it's very underrated game and I never knew making expansions have u sub but never got any notifications on here
You don't display the full power of Upgrade mode in the video. You should have drawn a card before your end step, then played two cards. Hope this helps!
This new game is a little improved. Heroes, villains and environnements have all changed a little bit. Tachyon is still a beast, as Wraith. Legacy and Haka are weaker. Bunker and Absolute Zero are finally really playable. Baron Blade is more powerful, Citroën Dawn weaker, Matriarch is still a beast and Boss became very dangerous. The game didn't change a lot: samedi qualities, same defaults, with a few improvements.
Thanks for the playthrough. I so want to like this game when it first came out, but I was really turned off by the difficulty of the game. And I can't really call it difficulty because difficulty to me means that it's tough but fair (like a Dark Souls style video game). But this game did not feel fair whatsoever. The bosses flip far too many cards and have a ton of health, and even their minions are more powerful than you. Then you have to deal with the environments on top of that, and oh wait, now the boss is immune to damage, or gets to go a second time, and deal all the damage to the lowest health hero. It feels like the kind of game where if you don't get the right cards at the right time, there is absolutely no chance of winning. Except it takes you almost an hour or even more sometimes to finally come to that conclusion. And if I'm a Super Hero, I should be able to do more than 1 damage to a minion on my turn, for crying out loud! Anyways, rant aside. When I heard that they had revamped the game with this new Definitive Edition, I was interested to see what a real playthrough of it would be like. How much did they change? Does it flow better? Do you feel like you stand more of a chance? Is it worth it to dive back in and give it another go? Well, your playthrough has shown me that no, it's not worth it. I appreciate you posting this video where you got destroyed by the Citizen Dawn. I have seen too many videos where the player happens to win, and win easily, with maybe 1 or 2 iffy points. Your playthrough is more like what I experienced in my games. I get enough frustration and beating my head against the wall from life, I don't need it in my relaxation/fun time, lol. I'm happy that others like this game, and that some even feel that this is in their top games of all time. I wish I could join you in that feeling. Thanks again for another great playthrough!
I’m not trying to change your opinion at all, but I will note that this is among the hardest bonus scenarios in the game. Playing against normal bosses, I almost always win and have a good time
@@OneStopCoopShop Thanks for the response. I appreciate that you're able to win consistently on other bosses, but when I see a scenario where someone loses with over 80 health still left on the boss, and they know how to play the game, that just highlights to me that there's something wrong in the game. The only things I saw that could have been done differently based on the comments was that Citizen Dawn was supposed to do MORE damage to you earlier in the game. So I don't see how that scenario was even remotely winnable with your setup and card draws. You couldn't have done much different at all to change the outcome. Maybe, in all the games I played, I just got bad card draws all around. But it happened too many times, and soured my view of the game. In the end, there isn't anything to change my mind about the state of the game in the Definitive Edition vs the original version, unfortunately. But again, thanks for the playthrough! Keep up the good work!
I'm personally glad to see new versions of the bosses and scenarios to make them more difficult to overcome. I have beaten every regular villain in the original Sentinels of the Multiverse on the Ultimate Level (i.e. Advanced Level plus Challenge Mode). I used to lose a ton in the beginning, but just keep at it. You must master each hero deck, and how to overcome each villain, and on top of that handle each environment. Fantastic game!
Hey Mike, thanks for the video. I’m in the same boat you were: I own almost everything for the first edition and love playing it. I’d have to sell everything to get the new set. So my question: was it worth doing that? Would you do it again or just hold on to the older set? I appreciate that you did give your thoughts on the changes, but wondering if they’re big enough to go to the hassle of sell/rebuy, especially since I like the current edition. Am I going to love the new one that much more? Thanks.
Having done it myself… maybe? I don’t think this is a VAST improvement, and my son was sad to only have a few heroes to play instead of all of them :) But you gotta make the call yourself!
@@OneStopCoopShop thanks, that is helpful. I’ll stick with what I have for now. I guess I could change down the road if I see the need. Keep up the great work, and thanks for taking the time to answer.
I agree with you. I’m surprised they kept Citizen Dawn’s all clear, which means someone ALWAYS has to play a deck control hero against her. Not fun. Not enough changes to cause owners of original game to switch over, but great investment for newbies. I’ll say absolute zero is way, way better to play, and my biggest disappointment was the Variants. Instead of giving a new hero with a new look to play with, it’s just a comic book cover. I know that is the “theme”, but I just slide it under the original hero card because I can’t stand the look of it. It completely takes me out of the feeling I’m in a battle. “Now I’m going to fight Citizen Dawn with my team of... uhhh.... comic books in bags!!” Sigh....
I know this is a month late, but there are other ways to deal with Dawn's Devastating Aurora. Firstly, it now destroys her own stuff as well, meaning if she has been throwing ongoings out, they are now gone. Secondly, it does nothing to hero targets. So a fully set-up Unity or Captain Cosmic really doesn't notice much, they may lose a few cards, but the majority of their set-up is additional targets. And finally, there are many more cards now that benefit you from being destroyed. Bunker actually healed from his card being destroyed. AZ got a free draw and play, and I know Ra has a card that allows him to deal a big chunk of damage (I think 3 damage to one target) and draw two cards when it is destroyed. And that's in addition to the faster set-up where AZ was basically able to get fully back into the fight with a "single" card play. So, yes, Dawn's board wipe is still very harsh. She is a very powerful opponent. But I'd argue that the impact is far less in the new edition.
@@Chaosmancer7 good points! I still don't like it as a design choice, even with the points you make. Much prefer the bigger fix they did to similar cards like Omnitron. But I agree with you that it is less bad than it once was.
So many mixed feelings. It's nice to see a workable Bunker for a change but as I have absolutely everything for the first version of this game I'm insulted when they described this as 'the version it was intended to be'. I suspect I'll just have to survive without this.
@@OneStopCoopShop That is sort of where I am as well. Was initially excited when the Kickstarter launched, but I still have years of play in the expansions that I currently own. It is one of my favorite games and I'm perfectly satisfied with what I have at this point, while at the same time happy that new players will have an improved game to enjoy.
I will tell you that the Akash'Bhuta villain seriously turned me off from this game, and I might consider selling it. It's an extremely poor design, and 200 HP is WAY too much for it to have. It should have 100 HP. They gave it a difficulty of 4, while it really should be around 9. No idea how they devise these difficulty levels. I also found absolutely NO strategy guides or the right type of heroes needed to beat her. Simply AWFUL. I beat Baron Blade handily, but Akash? Forget it. This was the worst design for a villain that I've ever seen in any board game thus far, truly. This might have to go into the sell pile since I really have no interest in playing other villains. I fear that they'll all be the same type of depressing experience. I mean if they can't accurately judge the difficulty levels of these villains, where a 4 is equivalent to at least an 8, why bother trying out the others?
I didn’t find her difficult to beat. Her health tends to disappear quickly with multi-target attacks (since every hit on her minions is also a hit on her). But if you aren’t enjoying the game, yeah, move on to something better for you. Definitely not worth it to spend time trying to make a game “work” when it’s just not fun for you, right?
@@OneStopCoopShop very true. But it's when the minions are destroyed that she's hit. The problem is destroying them when so many are out. I don't think any combo of heroes can really do it, and I've read a lot of forum posts about how people have been having difficulty with her. She's much harder than what the difficulty level states. If you do another playthrough of this, pick Akash for the villain.
@@PublicExecution I just finished playing with Unity, Absolute Zero, and Bunker and this is only the second time I've played Sentinels DE, but didn't have an issue defeating her, although she did take down Unity. I think perhaps you misunderstood a rule and made her harder than she is. She definitely isn't impossible to beat. Bunker can take out multiple minions sometimes in 1 round for instance.
0:00 - Introduction
1:00 - Set-Up
2:31 - Round 1
16:29 - Round 2
25:28 - Round 3
30:53 - Round 4
34:54 - Round 5
38:27 - Round 6
42:40 - Round 7
43:47 - Impressions of New Edition
When one of my favorites contents creators make a playthrough of a of game that just delivered at my door ... It's spark joy in my heart. Thanks for your work Mike :)
Nice! Hope your plays go better than this one did for me :)
With AZ being the 1st hero I played in the original game and he's my favorite, love seeing how quickly he can recoup his broken items and how many extra plays he can do now.
Yeah, he's one of the best improvements for me
Nice playthrough. Thanks! But, @36:59, the new Inventory Barrage says *Discard* any number of Item cards, not Destroy. I believe you are supposed to discard from hand in this case, but I believe you destroyed something that was in play (though it's difficult to tell)? But, yeah, this is a change from EE.
Hey, great catch! That makes it way more playable. I'll add a subtitle to clarify in the video.
Thanks Mike. sounds like I'm good with all my original stuff.
Yeah, I’m happy with the changes but they aren’t earth-shattering
Yep. I'll just keep my old stuff and primarily play it on the app.
For Absolute Zero, Cold damage that was converted to healing doesn't count for Thermal Shockwave. So he wouldn't have taken that massive blast of fire at the end
Thanks, someone else mentioned that too
I find it really funny that you talked about how you don't like Infrared Eyepiece against the one villain where that card is REQUIRED. You could have been using Infrared Eyepiece to check for Devastating Aurora and discard it. Yes, she shuffles her deck a lot with her constant discovery, but if you can find Devastating Aurora it's way better off in her trash than her deck.
Many mistakes made in this play for sure :)
So my game group has been playing Classic Sentinels for years. When I got the definitive edition we randomly selected our villain and environment like we always do and Citizen Dawn was the villain chosen. HOWEVER, my buddy accidentally grabbed the Critical Event Citizen Dawn instead. We still won, but damn, I can see why you'd need those collection cards to make them work.
Wow, you won when randomly playing this one? That’s impressive!
@@OneStopCoopShop we're old hats at classic Sentinels, guess we were just too excited to play the new version to read the backs
I think you can turn the cold damage from absolute zero's fire damage = cold damage card to his own face to turn it into healing. You could in the old version, I didn't notice if they changed that. If you could do that it might have kept you alive a bit longer. It probably wouldn't have mattered.
Oh for sure, I was healing with that throughout the video. But if you mean the very end, I knew I wasn’t going to win, so wanted to at least blast Dawn a bit ;)
What do you consider to be more difficult/taxing to keep track of: three heroes in this game or 2 heroes in Marvel Champions? Does the fact that you're only worried about damage make this one better to solo (not true solo) than MC or is that the wrong impression?
I'd say this one with 3 is easier than MC with 2. Turns are very simple for each character here, whereas adding another MC hero gives you a lot more to deal with and track.
Spiff’s Global Effects Tracker fixed the original edition, and looks like it will do great with Definitive as well
Hadn’t seen that before, but it looks good
Thanks Mike - been waiting for this one!
Hope you enjoy :)
My copy is in the mail, should be delivered tomorrow. I cannot wait to spend my weekend playing!!!
Excellent!
So you played it? How was it 🤔
@@neutral1980 I have played the base game and available expansion content quite extensively over the last two years. Ultimately, I honestly feel it is a step up from the original game in every aspect. It does not change the core gameplay or feel, only smooths things out and speeds them up. If you played and enjoyed the original you will almost certainly like this more. If you played and did not like the original, it is unlikely to change your mind. if you never played the original at all, I would say it’s a great game for superhero fans who like strategic card games and don’t mind a little bit of bookkeeping and overhead. the decks are unique, the combos can be fantastic with some of the characters, but depending on the villain you are fighting the bookkeeping can be a handful.
I've played the digital version before, never had it physical and currently waiting for my copy from this Kickstarter. I'm gonna wait a while until I try this version of her, at least you survived a few rounds.
Yeah, maybe wasn’t the best idea to show a super hard scenario for the video :)
Can't wait to get my hands on this Definitive Edition!
Hope you have a ton of fun with it :)
Thanks for the playthrough. All the things I didn't like playing this solo are still here, good to know. I won't have to buy it again and try it again. I do like the dials though.
Yup, mainly the same game, for better or worse :)
Good to hear from you that they did not change much, especially calculations, from the original card game. Probably stick to Marvel Champions for me.
Another great superhero choice. These are my two favorites
Hey great gameplay! I want to start playing this game. Are they gonna make every expansion for this Definitive edition? Or this version can be play with every expansion already out there for the original??
They have already done a second Kickstarter for further content, so yes, it looks like they will be doing it all.
That said, you can certainly use the old content with the new too. A few minor things were changed, rules-wise, but old stuff still works.
@@OneStopCoopShop thanks ! I love your channel!
This seems to be fully compatible with the first edition. So I guess I could play also with some 1st edition villains, heroes and environments.
Correct. They have some rules for using older stuff, but in the end the main change for definitive is that the decks are more fun and better balanced
@@OneStopCoopShop Yes that's great, but I cannot wait until they release my Parse ;)
I enjoy Parse too! But first I’m waiting for Rook City (which I pledged) to deliver. There’s a new werewolf hero that looks awesome
Good lord Citizen Dawn's minions have terrible synergy! I got my copy of this game last week and got 2 games in. I really liked it a lot, but now I fear the day where I go up against this villain!
They are a nightmare :)
Of course, against REGULAR citizen Dawn it isn’t so bad since her ongoing cards stay gone. This specific scenario makes things way worse.
Hmmm now so far out of all card games this is one few that seem interesting. I'm interested in trying what hero would you recommend for newbie to try that's not to complex to use to work up from
Wraith & Bunker.
They helpfully have complexity levels for each hero. I’d start with Ra (straightforward fire damage), Legacy (makes everyone else awesome), and Tachyon (super speed!)
You will demolish almost any villain with that team :)
Wraith and bunker are great, though slightly tougher for a learning game because both allow you to search through your deck to choose cards, which can overwhelm new players :)
@@OneStopCoopShop well I'll try out the team you suggested and get more better then move up to other hero's and get better
@@OneStopCoopShop sweet thanks again sounds like plan once i get to learn more and more beter and get more experienced gonna try shoot up to playing hero's like tempest, captain cosmic and omnitron x. This is why ur a great and underrated channel that doesn't get enough love or attention take time to reply back and give feedback keep it up
Don't forget AZ can take any fire damage (28:21) from any source like Hammer and shoot it back
Good call, I forgot how elemental the citizen attacks are
citizen dawn can be a beast and I'm not happy with her design... I was hoping for more from them in changing her to be challenging but also fun to deal with... there is a core mechanic that I do like and that is how each of the "sets" of citizens work off one another but then she just gets in the way and ruins it... I think if she didn't attack and just brought in more citizen that would of been a much better boss then how its currently designed... what a waste of potential... thanks for sharing...
Remember this is the alternate citizen Dawn for the super hard scenario. Regular citizen Dawn is much easier, though I agree she’s the least fun for me of the re-done villains!
According to the rules, when Devastating Aurora destroyed Absolute Zero's Item cards, triggering card plays and new Item cards being played, Devastating Aurora was still in effect and would have destroyed the new Item cards too.
Page 21: "While an effect is resolving, if new cards enter play or something alters the elements of the game that can be affected, does the effect apply to the new cards/elements? Yes, effects essentially constantly check for anything they can affect, attempting to "solve" the game state until they are resolved. So, for example, an attack that hits all targets in play will hit any targets that come into play while that attack is happening."
The same thing happens in the original version. For example, KNYFE's Focusing Conduit Blade lets you play an Equipment card when it's destroyed. If something destroys all Equipment cards, it destroys the Blade and anything played as a result of the Blade being destroyed.
Cool, thanks for the clarification! ...though this is an example of how they could have simplified and streamlined things a bit more... and chose not to ;)
On the plus side, damage Absolute Zero converts to healing doesn't count for Thermal Shockwave backlash, since he heals _instead_ of taking damage. It's never actually damage.
Devastating Aurora is a little better with normal Dawn, since it now destroys all Ongoing cards instead of just Hero Ongoing cards, so she destroys her own cards. It's Eclipse Dawn making her Ongoing cards Indestructible that hurts here.
@@ProfArmitage218 good points, thanks! I'll get her next time... though not in this crazy scenario!
@@OneStopCoopShop I didn't even notice that myself.
I did notice, however, that absolute Zero should've dealt cold damage off of Citizen Hammer's fire damage. 28:33
Its the complexity of this game that makes it awesome, as well as confusing. I've sent so many questions to the letters page podcast(which talks about the world of sentinel comics)
Edit: you mentioned it yourself! should've just kept watching.
Edit: You can also hit Absolute Zero with his card that converts fire damage he takes to cold damage.
@@wesleyjudson599 I mean I don't know about you all, but I'm 100% happy playing the game the way I think is correct and not worrying about all the little details. Though it helps to have you all with corrections on the playthroughs, since others see those ;)
Just waiting on the digital dlc. Will get physical at some point hopefully on sale for 30 or less. Great game but man physical is expensive.
It’d be great if they updated the app or made an all new one
I think you may have played Devastating Aurora wrong at the beginning of round 3. When Ice Shield was destroyed I believe Devastating Aurora was still resolving so that any cards Ice Shield played on destruction would still be destroyed by Devastating Aurora. I might be wrong about that though.
Hm, you know, I think you are probably right about that. All those silly nested effects and actions!!
PS - You calculated the damage wrong for Absolute Zero at the end of the game. The card says when he would be dealt cold damage he heals instead. So you don't count the 9 points of healing. You only did 4 cold damage. This is why Absolute Zero is one of the most complicated heroes in the game. In your defense, playing a solo game gives you a lot to keep track of. Add on the changes to the cards given your historical knowledge of the previous version and I think you did a pretty darn good job. Sentinels has always played better with multiple people as you have more eyes keeping track of things. It is definitely a game for people that take joy in fun mechanical interactions between cards. While it is pretty simple at first, It can be a surprisingly deep game.
I would agree with your general assessment and would add that Speed is the biggest change that they made to the game. Both Heroes and Villains get going faster. Which is a lot of fun as you don't have to sit around trying to build up (although there is always the luck of the draw).
Interesting… so you are saying the damage is never dealt in the first place… yes, I can see that!
Agree that the ramp up is faster. You get to the meaty goodness out of the gate :)
Great playthrough! I think I'm still gonna stick with the Steam version though. I hate keeping track of a bunch of stuff and the PC version does all that for you.
It’s a great app for sure!
I was gonna buy that new version but I did not care about the art . The size of the villain cards are nice and having more variants too but I’ll keep my Enhanced Edition and buy some more expansions
Can’t argue with your logic, though at the same time I love the rebalanced elements. I pledged the next set too 😳
This game looks sweet, hopefully it comes to retail.
I’m 100% sure that’s the plan!
Seem like so fun to play have to try it out in n future but sucks doesn't get enough love or anything love to see it get new future content
If you mean more expansions, rook city is out and the third set has funded on crowdfunding, so lots more coming
@@OneStopCoopShop really well hell that's great it's very underrated game and I never knew making expansions have u sub but never got any notifications on here
I did a video of the newest set, and Jason has some more coming in a few weeks:
ruclips.net/video/P0G4Z_44nVI/видео.html
@@OneStopCoopShop well my bad gotta remember RUclips very crappy with notifications but I'll watch them sorry for inconvenient
I think you didn't notice that anvil's power applies to all citizens.
When do you mean? Do you have a timestamp?
I probably forgot to apply it to Dawn right, like I forgot her counting herself for her base damage?
@@OneStopCoopShop at 33:40 you had wraith deal full damage to both summer and dawn, as an example.
@@brysonlambes7175 ah, yes, like I said I forgot Dawn was a citizen for most of this video :(
Thanks!
You don't display the full power of Upgrade mode in the video. You should have drawn a card before your end step, then played two cards. Hope this helps!
Yes, good catch! I was playing bunker again this past weekend and saw my mistake :(
This new game is a little improved. Heroes, villains and environnements have all changed a little bit. Tachyon is still a beast, as Wraith. Legacy and Haka are weaker. Bunker and Absolute Zero are finally really playable. Baron Blade is more powerful, Citroën Dawn weaker, Matriarch is still a beast and Boss became very dangerous. The game didn't change a lot: samedi qualities, same defaults, with a few improvements.
Great summary! I agree
"Citroën Dawn" ... I like your autocorrect :D
Thanks for the playthrough. I so want to like this game when it first came out, but I was really turned off by the difficulty of the game. And I can't really call it difficulty because difficulty to me means that it's tough but fair (like a Dark Souls style video game). But this game did not feel fair whatsoever. The bosses flip far too many cards and have a ton of health, and even their minions are more powerful than you. Then you have to deal with the environments on top of that, and oh wait, now the boss is immune to damage, or gets to go a second time, and deal all the damage to the lowest health hero. It feels like the kind of game where if you don't get the right cards at the right time, there is absolutely no chance of winning. Except it takes you almost an hour or even more sometimes to finally come to that conclusion. And if I'm a Super Hero, I should be able to do more than 1 damage to a minion on my turn, for crying out loud!
Anyways, rant aside. When I heard that they had revamped the game with this new Definitive Edition, I was interested to see what a real playthrough of it would be like. How much did they change? Does it flow better? Do you feel like you stand more of a chance? Is it worth it to dive back in and give it another go?
Well, your playthrough has shown me that no, it's not worth it. I appreciate you posting this video where you got destroyed by the Citizen Dawn. I have seen too many videos where the player happens to win, and win easily, with maybe 1 or 2 iffy points. Your playthrough is more like what I experienced in my games. I get enough frustration and beating my head against the wall from life, I don't need it in my relaxation/fun time, lol.
I'm happy that others like this game, and that some even feel that this is in their top games of all time. I wish I could join you in that feeling.
Thanks again for another great playthrough!
I’m not trying to change your opinion at all, but I will note that this is among the hardest bonus scenarios in the game. Playing against normal bosses, I almost always win and have a good time
@@OneStopCoopShop Thanks for the response. I appreciate that you're able to win consistently on other bosses, but when I see a scenario where someone loses with over 80 health still left on the boss, and they know how to play the game, that just highlights to me that there's something wrong in the game. The only things I saw that could have been done differently based on the comments was that Citizen Dawn was supposed to do MORE damage to you earlier in the game. So I don't see how that scenario was even remotely winnable with your setup and card draws. You couldn't have done much different at all to change the outcome.
Maybe, in all the games I played, I just got bad card draws all around. But it happened too many times, and soured my view of the game. In the end, there isn't anything to change my mind about the state of the game in the Definitive Edition vs the original version, unfortunately.
But again, thanks for the playthrough! Keep up the good work!
I'm personally glad to see new versions of the bosses and scenarios to make them more difficult to overcome. I have beaten every regular villain in the original Sentinels of the Multiverse on the Ultimate Level (i.e. Advanced Level plus Challenge Mode). I used to lose a ton in the beginning, but just keep at it. You must master each hero deck, and how to overcome each villain, and on top of that handle each environment. Fantastic game!
Hey Mike, thanks for the video. I’m in the same boat you were: I own almost everything for the first edition and love playing it. I’d have to sell everything to get the new set. So my question: was it worth doing that? Would you do it again or just hold on to the older set? I appreciate that you did give your thoughts on the changes, but wondering if they’re big enough to go to the hassle of sell/rebuy, especially since I like the current edition. Am I going to love the new one that much more? Thanks.
Having done it myself… maybe? I don’t think this is a VAST improvement, and my son was sad to only have a few heroes to play instead of all of them :)
But you gotta make the call yourself!
@@OneStopCoopShop thanks, that is helpful. I’ll stick with what I have for now. I guess I could change down the road if I see the need. Keep up the great work, and thanks for taking the time to answer.
I agree with you. I’m surprised they kept Citizen Dawn’s all clear, which means someone ALWAYS has to play a deck control hero against her. Not fun. Not enough changes to cause owners of original game to switch over, but great investment for newbies. I’ll say absolute zero is way, way better to play, and my biggest disappointment was the Variants. Instead of giving a new hero with a new look to play with, it’s just a comic book cover. I know that is the “theme”, but I just slide it under the original hero card because I can’t stand the look of it. It completely takes me out of the feeling I’m in a battle. “Now I’m going to fight Citizen Dawn with my team of... uhhh.... comic books in bags!!” Sigh....
Yeah, a bit of an odd aesthetic choice, but it bothered me less than you. I’m just really happy they included them in the base game!
@@OneStopCoopShop yeah, I like variants. Just wish they looked like actual heroes is all.
I know this is a month late, but there are other ways to deal with Dawn's Devastating Aurora. Firstly, it now destroys her own stuff as well, meaning if she has been throwing ongoings out, they are now gone.
Secondly, it does nothing to hero targets. So a fully set-up Unity or Captain Cosmic really doesn't notice much, they may lose a few cards, but the majority of their set-up is additional targets.
And finally, there are many more cards now that benefit you from being destroyed. Bunker actually healed from his card being destroyed. AZ got a free draw and play, and I know Ra has a card that allows him to deal a big chunk of damage (I think 3 damage to one target) and draw two cards when it is destroyed.
And that's in addition to the faster set-up where AZ was basically able to get fully back into the fight with a "single" card play.
So, yes, Dawn's board wipe is still very harsh. She is a very powerful opponent. But I'd argue that the impact is far less in the new edition.
@@Chaosmancer7 good points! I still don't like it as a design choice, even with the points you make. Much prefer the bigger fix they did to similar cards like Omnitron. But I agree with you that it is less bad than it once was.
So many mixed feelings. It's nice to see a workable Bunker for a change but as I have absolutely everything for the first version of this game I'm insulted when they described this as 'the version it was intended to be'. I suspect I'll just have to survive without this.
I think that’s the right choice. It’s not a huge enough change to justify rebuying it all
@@OneStopCoopShop That is sort of where I am as well. Was initially excited when the Kickstarter launched, but I still have years of play in the expansions that I currently own. It is one of my favorite games and I'm perfectly satisfied with what I have at this point, while at the same time happy that new players will have an improved game to enjoy.
That's exactly how I felt about Hoplomachus and how Chip Theory Games came out with Hoplo Remastered.
I will tell you that the Akash'Bhuta villain seriously turned me off from this game, and I might consider selling it. It's an extremely poor design, and 200 HP is WAY too much for it to have. It should have 100 HP. They gave it a difficulty of 4, while it really should be around 9. No idea how they devise these difficulty levels. I also found absolutely NO strategy guides or the right type of heroes needed to beat her. Simply AWFUL. I beat Baron Blade handily, but Akash? Forget it. This was the worst design for a villain that I've ever seen in any board game thus far, truly. This might have to go into the sell pile since I really have no interest in playing other villains. I fear that they'll all be the same type of depressing experience. I mean if they can't accurately judge the difficulty levels of these villains, where a 4 is equivalent to at least an 8, why bother trying out the others?
I didn’t find her difficult to beat. Her health tends to disappear quickly with multi-target attacks (since every hit on her minions is also a hit on her).
But if you aren’t enjoying the game, yeah, move on to something better for you. Definitely not worth it to spend time trying to make a game “work” when it’s just not fun for you, right?
@@OneStopCoopShop very true. But it's when the minions are destroyed that she's hit. The problem is destroying them when so many are out. I don't think any combo of heroes can really do it, and I've read a lot of forum posts about how people have been having difficulty with her. She's much harder than what the difficulty level states. If you do another playthrough of this, pick Akash for the villain.
@@PublicExecution I've never failed to beat her, except in her hardest scenario (but that's true for all the villains), so... not sure what to say!
@@PublicExecution I just finished playing with Unity, Absolute Zero, and Bunker and this is only the second time I've played Sentinels DE, but didn't have an issue defeating her, although she did take down Unity. I think perhaps you misunderstood a rule and made her harder than she is. She definitely isn't impossible to beat. Bunker can take out multiple minions sometimes in 1 round for instance.