This is the most successful entertainment product ever made and Rockstar couldn’t just give us the upgrade like so many other studios have. The greed is unbelievable.
A game originally designed for PS3 made its way to PS4 with improvements and now to PS5 with "further improvements". Guess if i live long enough, i may see it on PS7 with "additional improvements".
One thing I'd like to add about the haptic feedback that didn't get brought up on the video is in gta online, when your at the night club, the closer you are to the speakers in the club blasting music, the more intense of haptic vibrations that the controller gives off. And you can literally feel the detail of the bass produced and it feels as if you put your hand on the speaker yourself. If you like haptics I reccomend checking out your nightclub in the new ps5 version
One big point you missed out on is that they seemingly have decoupled the (driving) physics from the frame rate. Before, the frame rate had big impact on what times you were able to achieve in races, this difference is now gone in the PS5 release
@@afz3003 the only game I've been impressed by the ray tracing was Guardians of the galaxy! I think we'll have to wait a few years for dev techniques to catch up.
Seems like an oversight for Rockstar not to increase Anisotropic Filtering to at least 8x considering that it improves the texture blurriness with a very low impact on performance.
Yes, 8X is much better than 4X. I could understand it if they didn't go as 16x because the advantage is negligible despite the massive amount of memory needed
Original MP3 uses pre-rendered cutscene to create a 'fake' seamless experience, for the remaster i would like to see a real-time cutscene by utilizing ps5's ssd.
Yeah, I don't really notice these things unless pointed out to me, but I definitely started to notice this when out in the countryside, where the environment is less busy.
This was my first takeaway from the game. 60 FPS does make the gameplay better, but visually, this enhancement only makes the fact that this is a 8/9 year old game stand out, it feels like playing with a mod.
They did the bare minimum and are charging for it, while a lot of other games have made way better next gen ports for free. Rockstar being Rockstar, I guess.
Honestly,I feel bad for Xbox players!!!Like Literally Rockstar Is Selling The Game For like 19 $$$ (More expensive than PS5 version),And It is undoubtedly Unoptimized Mess!!!
@Cptn_Avery Not really, They just showed off the minimal differences in this video. Probably saved a bunch of people $10. Biggest difference is RT shadows and 60fps. We got a much bigger update doing the last gen update.
Blame Take Two not Rockstar. Rockstar were only going to remaster it once for PS4. But since it was so successful greedy Strauss Zelnick and the shareholders want to milk it for every penny it's worth. Along with kids buying tons of Shark Cards with their mom's credit cards. So they forced Rockstar to remaster it again for PS5.
I don't understand why AF (anisotropic filtering) is always skimped on. I've been putting it at 16x for as long as I've been able to. The performance hit is practically non existent compared to the visual upgrade. Same with texture quality. Unless you are out of vram, high res textures are not a big impact at all yet the visual difference is huge.
I agree, although I’ve always disliked the look of 16x in most games. It’s unnatural for things to look that sharp at those angles, even in real life or on any camera. 8x is usually the perfect balance.
I'm also confused about this. Especially in games like "The Last of Us 2" and also "Ghost of Tsushima"; Creators of these games are obsessed with details, especially naughty dog, details that are sometime so extreme that you wouldn't normally notice, but they don't care about something that fundamental?
It's always a shame, AF 16x is mandatory for me. Mud textures at an angle look awful. As for comparisons to real life what you need is physically based rendering to add sheen to such surfaces, not muddy textures.
@@itsd0nk Yep, I've always preferred using 8x over 16x. Outlines on some objects can look a little too overly crisp and sharp at times, while using 16x. While using 8x on the other hand, it seems to soften down and blur the edges just a touch. Which in turn, gives it a more natural look and without it looking jagged like with lower settings of 4x or lower. 8x is often the sweet spot, at least for me anyway.
It was a fun touch using Max Payne music on a GTA video, from a dead franchise to a over milked one. Props to Mr. editor, one of the best soundtracks out there.
@@JokerTheDank True most people are not playing on ps3 however is very important and fun to revisit and see how ps3 and xbox 360 would run games like these.
@@carlosdonizetti9573 you can look at the Digital Foundry comparison between PS4/Xbox One and PS3/X360 for this game. Why would they repeat work they have already done?
I’ve noticed recently just how improved the reflections are in the fidelity mode. They drastically change the look of the game especially in night time scenes. There are many reflections from lights that I’ve found to be totally missing in the performance modes, and made the game feel much more detailed.
10 years ago? I think you'll find that it was actually...wait....it WAS 10 years ago. Where has time gone? Hearing COMBAT DRUGS at the start was for sure a pleasant surprise.
@@orijimi True. It's all about money so someone at Rockstar has surely calculated that making the port isn't worth it. I'm not saying it wouldn't make profit but companies expect certain amount of profit before approving projects.
On PC you can use DSR (dynamic super resolution) to get a much sharper image, instead of MSAA (which kills performance and makes the grass disappear). I recommend using FXAA combined with DSR for the absolute best picture quality on PC.
One thing I am almost certain I remember from the PS3 version was how the game targeted the left and right vibration motors independently, creating a really cool haptic sensation, in particular; driving the at the edge of a freeway and going over those little ridges that warn you about this being the edge of the road, you could feel which side those bumps were on and it was just super cool to me. This does not work using a controller on PC (as far as I am aware), and I skipped the PS4 version so I don't know if they kept that there, but could someone check if this works with PS5 haptics; the game is cheap *enough* that this small detail might be what sways me to pick it up
The PS5 version does indeed seem to vibrate the relevant side of the controller more intensely depending on which side the car is being affected by whatever road condition / obstacle you've hit. The effect is subtle, but definitely noticeable. In fact, coming from a PC GTA V player (I've never really played the PS4 or PS3 versions), this effect was one of the first that I noticed for the new haptics.
The gap in draw distance details between the new next Gen versions and the old PC version is still very surprising. I put draw distance up there as a high priority for me. Sucks to see it wasn’t increased or updated in any way for next Gen. This is proven at 14:42
@eel3161 the PS5 have better specs than my expensive PC. I have a Ryzen 3600, 16gb DDR4 ram, gaming mobo, M.2 Memory, and 1070ti. That cost me 1k+ back in 2019 and the PS5 is slightly more powerful for $399. It definitely can do more. I also own a PS5 and it's a beast of a machine.
@@chickendinner5572 I have to agree. I'm running with 32 gigs RAM, a 9th gen i7 and an RTX2060. Its easy to think it will outperform the PS5, until resolution is considered. Yes, I can run most games maxed out, with raytracing, usually at 60fps +, and it looks magnificent, but its a laptop at 1080p. Plug that laptop into a 4k monitor and it quickly shows just how amazing that $400 console is.
The draw distance is shocking to me. It honestly ruins the game for me it’s so bad. Even in Fidelity mode, you get straight up PS2 looking buildings that are only like a block away. It even affects cutscenes; during the mission where you have to do Yoga as Michael in his backyard, one of the buildings from downtown that dominates the background straight up looks like a PS2 asset. It’s embarrassing.
@@Darklord_tK I had my time in GTA online in 2013 and 2014. Only a smooth brain could continue to play this game year after year without becoming extremely bored.
@@journeytree i literally only started playing gta online again because of the ls car meet update the mindless rinse and repeat grinding for money hasn't been fun to me since the first set of heists came out and since gta online is currently the closest thing to midnight club(since rockstar just forgot about it) we have today the racing and vehicle updates are whats keeping me playing
I remember another game that had lots of temporal artifacts was Saints Row 3 Remastered. Every car in the game had a headlight trail due to the temporal anti aliasing.
A developer finally scaled up the depth of field bokeh with resolution increases? The one thing I would’ve liked to see is if it scales between the three graphics modes, since at least two of them are at different res. I’m wondering if it was just a ballpark bump they gave the whole effect, or if it actually has the same effective camera aperture between the resolution changes. This stuff drives me insane lately with all the cross platform upgrades.
I'm glad you noticed the cutscene stutters. This is also the case with RDR2. I wasn't sure if it was just me but thankfully you have that issue too. I hope they can resolve it (on pc too) but I'm afraid they won't
@@Barry_disgruntled its less than in GTA V but it is still there, but I'm talking about high fps. When you lock it to 60 the cutscenes still don't feel like 60 fps
@@DTunezOfficial Fair enough. I see it too sometimes. When I run framerate and frametime checks they're always consistent on a locked framerate but the cutscene animations can be choppy at times as if there were frame pacing issues that're not showing up in my graphs.
@@DTunezOfficial Hahaha I'm doing the same thing too man. I max out most of the settings that genuinely make a difference visually, crank up the resolution scaling and play the game at a locked 35 fps everywhere. It plays just like the console version but with all the eye candy you get with having a PC. I wish the motion blur could've been implemented a bit better because for me it's not perfect. So I turn that setting off.
I like how you refer to the ps4 version as the "originally release" I almost forgot that this game came out on ps3. Anyway if the only thing they are offering is visual improvement, this thing should be running at least at a solid 1080p 60 fps and rt alway activated.
I do not fully agree on that. Those shadows are treated as from a single source where the PC is treating it as the actual double source headlights realy are. In another comparision they showed an unrealistic sharp an dark on a building far away, even that the area should have less shadows in that area due to streetlights. The new glas physics are a bit over the top as well.
@@DrJones20 Sorry but that goes only for the burn out smoke wich actualy should not show a sharp shadow but far more diffuse. The smoke from fires and explosions is plain bad: It seems to always drift away from you and the thick column just stops instead of disolves.
A huge oversight to me is NO option for 5.1 or 7.1 speakers. All the sound comes from my center speaker and there is no spatial audio except with the radio. On ps4 you had way more sound settings and I was hoping Digital Foundry would’ve picked up on this. Am I the only one anymore with a ps5 and a 5.1 speaker setup?
Honestly RDR2 made better use of their in house engine than gta v ever did and the new version is just an updated port that runs smoother and has ray tracing if you want it, with RDR2 since the assets are easier on the gpu they'd probably be able to actually improve it rather drastically like the 2013 to 2015 re release of gta v
1440p and 60 FPS, maybe slightly better textures and I would be happy. But as long as they get their money from all the GTA kids they won't do a damn thing.
1000% agree everyone's telling me to get a pc but my pc "gaming" experience stopped with 3d pinball on windows xp 🤣🤣 im so glad consoles finally can run games at a solid 60fps even though there were a few ps4 titles that ran at 60 fps with a lot of frame dips on the ps4 pro they were never locked and often played the same as the base and slim ps4 with higher resolution but having that buttery smooth performance and some games even supporting up to 120fps on PS5 is great
I only play games in 60+ these days. I'm really happy to see console games pushing for 60fps now, even if the console industry has already lost me at this point.
you should make that hop to PC and see what 120+ fps feels like, then you can take about game changers. the fact you waited until 2022 to experience something I experienced in 2012 is awful
With PC shadows, if you use the softest setting it has that shadow box like on PS4, however, this is fixed with both the AMD and Nvidia shadows at the cost of flickering shadows and instability depending on the card. Also, this game definitely hasn't been optimised for next-gen consoles very well, the PS5 definitely has enough horsepower to get better results than this, especially in LoD and draw distance.
It can´t utilize all cores i suppose. I think it uses only 4 cores. ps5 have 8. Same with pc if all cores in use like red dead redemption 2 fps would be all the time above 100 on 2k with very high settings.
That's a good point. But the GPU is also a large factor as the PS4/Xbox one versions would have been designed for 12 and 18 CU's respectively and I doubt they optimised much above that for this remaster and just let them run at the Series X and PS5's 1.8GHz and 2.3GHz clock speeds. It just seems minimum effort just like the "Definitive" Trilogy.
@@chrismorrison5301 knowledge of hardware functionality. These are SoCs, cut down underclocked/undervolted systems on a chip, or in AMD semantics, APUs. I'm also gaming on high-end hardware, and GTA V even at nearly a decade old is still extremely taxing.
Every RUclipsr before this video : I can’t see the difference between normal shadows and RT shadows. Rockstar is scamming us. DF : dedicated video on shadow differences 🍺
I love this games single player campaign to death and thats saying alot since I consider Vice City, San Andreas, Gta 3 and the ps2 the golden era of gaming. So I honestly hate to say this but I am pretty sick of seeing this game milked for what it is and Rockstar after all this time still refused to give us a proper single player dlc followup for 5.
I sort of wanted this upgrade to GTA4 instead (including DLCs), that game needs it more because for GTA5 we already have a solid PC version, whereas GTA4 on PS3 and 360 doesn't look great anymore and the PC version is hardly optimized. Not to mention that I think Niko's story is more interesting and has a good amount of replay value.
As a old fan of GTA4 that game sucks by todays standards, the missions are boring af and the story doesn't help at all cause the gameplay gets boring so damn fast. So I think it's best to let that game die and move forward.
GTA fans: “We’re getting ray traced reflections and seriously updated graphics since we’re paying more money for a game we already bought twice, right?” Rockstar: “That’s the neat part, you don’t😀”
i do still think the pc version does a mighty good job considering that version came out way b4. some choices i do prefer are like having the option to turn of motion blur and dof cus those two things are personally an eye sore. i do think the addition of rt shadows is pretty cool but il be honest in motion ur probz not gonna notice it. I will say im glad the next gen peeps will be able to enjoy it nicely now. on my ps4 it was hard to play at that 30. The 60 fps really helps. charging money for this upgrade though is quite bs for console users
I love these deep dives. But I kinda expected more from Rockstar for this version of GTA5. Maybe the online experience is much better, but I never played it.
Personally I expected no less from R*. I had not even the slightest doubt that the game would look no different from the PS4 version because this is what they've become: do as little as possible and charge as much as possible". If they do release a GTA 6, I have 0 doubt it will be terrible.
@@hectorcastellanos7025 if you don't care for the single player gta online will be free for ps plus members for the next three months after that it will be the same price as red dead online stand-alone
@@firstdondiego Yada yada yada. I get the frustration with rockstar but I would advice everyone to judge them by their last original release, which was RDR2, and this game was a masterpiece and so will be GTA 6.
Will be interesting to see if they bring the slight improvements over to PC or not. I wish they actually put some proper effort into the "enhancements" and improved the game more significantly past PC, not like the hardware couldn't handle it but might have been too much work considering the engine limitations. It's good that the console versions of the game are in a much better state now though.
PC gamer elitist do not actually buy game software... it's just a bragging rights trophy that they get ports for because they believe they are so above game systems.
@@apollosungod2819 damn what a garbage fanboy take. I have a PC, PS4, Xbox One, and Switch and have over 500 games on my steam library alone. And I only got my PC 4 years ago. If you're gonna pay more for hardware, you're also gonna pay more for games. It would be pretty stupid to buy a $3K system and no games. Though seeing steam surveys, the "PC master race" is basically a shame from fanboys. 90% of PC users still have a 3 year old mid range GPU. Less than 2% of all of them have a 3090 or 2080 ti. It's as if people assume you're just buying the hardware to show off.
@@WayStedYou But Rockstar still oversaw and approved that abomination of remaster. Gamers just buy any garbage that is shoved their throats nowadays, it's sad.
Great video Alex!! But i think u forgot to mention that SSR in fidelity mode are a LOT more accurate and a higher res than the ones in the other two modes, and when raining (especially at night) is a game changer, hope u will include that aspect in the upcoming video
@@pixels_per_inch nope, cube maps are only for transparent and semi-transparent materials such as car parts, glasses and other small things, for puddles it's surely SSR cuz when a thunder occurs u can see it reflected in the ssr
It means the overall representation of this game is now with this version the best represented version of them all. In short, the next gen console version is better than the PC version at this point. That is without all the extra online stuff you will get in the next gen console version that you won't get on the last gen PC version
@@SC0RPI0NFURY Better in the sense it has RT shadows and per object motion blur, that's it, it can't even match PC's draw distance and anisotropic filtering Expanded and enhanced should mean just that, expanded and enhanced, I could explain to you why this is not that but that would be wasting my time as anyone with a brain would know it hasn't been 'expanded and enhanced'
The fact that it takes a digital foundry analysis to see any difference between this and the PS4 version goes to show how little effort Rockstar put into this, and how greedy it is to charge for something that should have been a free patch. Rockstar has truly become what it always parodies in it games.
60FPS and DualSense support is awesome but that’s about it. I expected the bare minimum from Rockstar and yet I still came out disappointed. It’s weird that they didn’t give this game, considered to be one of the best selling pieces of entertainment, the proper upgrade it deserved. What a shame.
Great work as always. I love the little bits like Doom levels and the not controversial sign peppered in what's essentially a very dry technical analysis, I think it makes for a much more engaging video.
The Performance RT mode is near flawless, but exhibits some heavy framerate drops in the online mode. Some small drops in the nightclub but MAJOR drops during the Cayo Perico heist, low 40s high 30s. I would suggest switching to Performance whenever you play the heist because it isn't very pleasent.
I like your idea of measuring/expressing load times in Doom levels.
same lol
DOOMs and Bubsies are the most precise measurements.
Alex is a PC gamer to his core and i'm here for it
Yeah i love to see this unit be used for other games in future; like "In my testing PS5 was very quick, loading the game in only 0.16% Doom levels."
This should be a regular feature going forward!
This is the most successful entertainment product ever made and Rockstar couldn’t just give us the upgrade like so many other studios have. The greed is unbelievable.
It’s $10 for the full game until June 14th. $10 isn’t a lot by any means
@@BRMF It shouldn't cost anything
@Dovakin EScrolls I think consumers need to change their ways before that'll ever happen.
This part
@@gugusz they aren't just going to overhaul graphics for free
A game originally designed for PS3 made its way to PS4 with improvements and now to PS5 with "further improvements". Guess if i live long enough, i may see it on PS7 with "additional improvements".
Nah. They about maxed out what they could do with this game
One thing I'd like to add about the haptic feedback that didn't get brought up on the video is in gta online, when your at the night club, the closer you are to the speakers in the club blasting music, the more intense of haptic vibrations that the controller gives off. And you can literally feel the detail of the bass produced and it feels as if you put your hand on the speaker yourself. If you like haptics I reccomend checking out your nightclub in the new ps5 version
Just remember to never EVER Peter Pan in the night club. 😄
@@robertlawrence9000 How else am I supposed to get to neverland tho? 🤣
haptics imo is better than most of the ps5 games we have except for astro playroom of course i love how you can feel the rain as well
If you put your ear to the controller the haptics are actually playing the music.
Damn I'm gonna go get a ps5 right now, that's worth $500+
One big point you missed out on is that they seemingly have decoupled the (driving) physics from the frame rate. Before, the frame rate had big impact on what times you were able to achieve in races, this difference is now gone in the PS5 release
Damn that gonna make some changes on the speed Racine sceane
This rings true on rc time trials, too. Shit, i can beat them now with a lot of time to spare. And i suck at most of them rc time trials.
I'm even more excited for your video, than I was for the port.
I'm one of the idiots who bought this. So disappointed. The ray tracing doesn't even look all that. On Xbox series X.
Facts, I was so excited for DigitalFoundry to drop this HAHA
Me too 👍👍
@@afz3003 the only game I've been impressed by the ray tracing was Guardians of the galaxy! I think we'll have to wait a few years for dev techniques to catch up.
Huge same
Seems like an oversight for Rockstar not to increase Anisotropic Filtering to at least 8x considering that it improves the texture blurriness with a very low impact on performance.
Yes, 8X is much better than 4X. I could understand it if they didn't go as 16x because the advantage is negligible despite the massive amount of memory needed
@@theinsfrijonds *massive memory* with 16x AF is unheard of.
(edit:corrected typo AA to AF)
@@maxpayne69. AF not AA lol
Agree, AF is so cheap on today's hardware.
just use 16x
The Max Payne 3 music paired with this analysis pretty nicely
Love the Max Payne 3 soundtrack. Would love a PS5 remaster of that game.
Yeah I was about to point that out. Love that game.
Backwards compatibility on Xbox thank goodness
Original MP3 uses pre-rendered cutscene to create a 'fake' seamless experience, for the remaster i would like to see a real-time cutscene by utilizing ps5's ssd.
@@rickietan I just wanted to skip the cutscenes. Ruined the flow of MP3.
cant you just get a pc and play it on there?
Graphics from a 2013 game, still look better than Elden Ring.
The low LOD and AF settings are a bit disappointing. At higher resolutions these lower settings really start to stand out.
Which is why devs can't be left to make all the settings decisions when that includes visible things with minimum performance hit.
Yeah, I don't really notice these things unless pointed out to me, but I definitely started to notice this when out in the countryside, where the environment is less busy.
This was my first takeaway from the game. 60 FPS does make the gameplay better, but visually, this enhancement only makes the fact that this is a 8/9 year old game stand out, it feels like playing with a mod.
@@JackZephyrRourke cmon dude. You know damn well it looks infinitely more polished than it did on ps4, let alone ps3. Not to mention 60 fps
@@HugoStiglitz88 I'll concede. Ray traced shadows do look nice, and the clear 4K is also appreciated
They did the bare minimum and are charging for it, while a lot of other games have made way better next gen ports for free. Rockstar being Rockstar, I guess.
Honestly,I feel bad for Xbox players!!!Like Literally Rockstar Is Selling The Game For like 19 $$$ (More expensive than PS5 version),And It is undoubtedly Unoptimized Mess!!!
Keep crying
@Cptn_Avery Not really, They just showed off the minimal differences in this video. Probably saved a bunch of people $10. Biggest difference is RT shadows and 60fps. We got a much bigger update doing the last gen update.
Blame Take Two not Rockstar. Rockstar were only going to remaster it once for PS4. But since it was so successful greedy Strauss Zelnick and the shareholders want to milk it for every penny it's worth. Along with kids buying tons of Shark Cards with their mom's credit cards. So they forced Rockstar to remaster it again for PS5.
I demand all game loading times from now on to be measured in Doom levels completed.
Me too
I don't understand why AF (anisotropic filtering) is always skimped on. I've been putting it at 16x for as long as I've been able to. The performance hit is practically non existent compared to the visual upgrade. Same with texture quality. Unless you are out of vram, high res textures are not a big impact at all yet the visual difference is huge.
I agree, although I’ve always disliked the look of 16x in most games. It’s unnatural for things to look that sharp at those angles, even in real life or on any camera. 8x is usually the perfect balance.
I'm also confused about this. Especially in games like "The Last of Us 2" and also "Ghost of Tsushima"; Creators of these games are obsessed with details, especially naughty dog, details that are sometime so extreme that you wouldn't normally notice, but they don't care about something that fundamental?
Consoles have APUs, the memory bandwidth between the CPU and GPU is shared. This is why 16x is normally "free" on PC.
It's always a shame, AF 16x is mandatory for me. Mud textures at an angle look awful.
As for comparisons to real life what you need is physically based rendering to add sheen to such surfaces, not muddy textures.
@@itsd0nk Yep, I've always preferred using 8x over 16x. Outlines on some objects can look a little too overly crisp and sharp at times, while using 16x. While using 8x on the other hand, it seems to soften down and blur the edges just a touch. Which in turn, gives it a more natural look and without it looking jagged like with lower settings of 4x or lower. 8x is often the sweet spot, at least for me anyway.
"EXPANDED AND ENHANCED" Literally added RT Shadows and turned up the Grass setting one notch.
It was a fun touch using Max Payne music on a GTA video, from a dead franchise to a over milked one. Props to Mr. editor, one of the best soundtracks out there.
Would've loved to see the Xbox 360 or PS3 ports in this. If you see this Alex, please consider a 'og to new g' video comparison.
Would make more sense then comparing it to pc. Why is he comparing this to pc and not just console
@@reach5589 maybe because nobody is playing this on ps3
@@JokerTheDank True most people are not playing on ps3 however is very important and fun to revisit and see how ps3 and xbox 360 would run games like these.
What ports?ps3/xbox360 were the o.g releases.
@@carlosdonizetti9573 you can look at the Digital Foundry comparison between PS4/Xbox One and PS3/X360 for this game. Why would they repeat work they have already done?
'next gen' in quotes got me really laughing lmao
Lol just noticed lol
shoutout to the use of all the Max Payne 3 music in this
I’ve noticed recently just how improved the reflections are in the fidelity mode. They drastically change the look of the game especially in night time scenes. There are many reflections from lights that I’ve found to be totally missing in the performance modes, and made the game feel much more detailed.
I love how the title says 'next gen'. Subtle but destructive
I think it’s because it’s technically the current gen now since it’s the only consoles currently being produced
Can I just say, I grew up with Max Payne 3 ten years ago, and I was so happy to hear the music from it. Cheers guys!
10 years ago? I think you'll find that it was actually...wait....it WAS 10 years ago. Where has time gone? Hearing COMBAT DRUGS at the start was for sure a pleasant surprise.
The game needs a damn port to modern consoles. All the lifted assets in GTA 5 and Online doesn't count.
@@orijimi You can play the Xbox 360 version on Series X.
@@LaDeXi Yeah, but the not-cut-down PC version is just sitting there, languishing.
@@orijimi True. It's all about money so someone at Rockstar has surely calculated that making the port isn't worth it. I'm not saying it wouldn't make profit but companies expect certain amount of profit before approving projects.
On PC you can use DSR (dynamic super resolution) to get a much sharper image, instead of MSAA (which kills performance and makes the grass disappear). I recommend using FXAA combined with DSR for the absolute best picture quality on PC.
PC now has DLSS & Frame Generation Mod.
@@Baymax001xwhere can i get it ?
You’re really good at explaining technical concepts!
One thing I am almost certain I remember from the PS3 version was how the game targeted the left and right vibration motors independently, creating a really cool haptic sensation, in particular; driving the at the edge of a freeway and going over those little ridges that warn you about this being the edge of the road, you could feel which side those bumps were on and it was just super cool to me. This does not work using a controller on PC (as far as I am aware), and I skipped the PS4 version so I don't know if they kept that there, but could someone check if this works with PS5 haptics; the game is cheap *enough* that this small detail might be what sways me to pick it up
The PS5 version does indeed seem to vibrate the relevant side of the controller more intensely depending on which side the car is being affected by whatever road condition / obstacle you've hit. The effect is subtle, but definitely noticeable. In fact, coming from a PC GTA V player (I've never really played the PS4 or PS3 versions), this effect was one of the first that I noticed for the new haptics.
@@angela_dayo oh sweet thanks so much :)
Thanks for using the Max Payne 3 soundtrack, so much nostalgia
The gap in draw distance details between the new next Gen versions and the old PC version is still very surprising. I put draw distance up there as a high priority for me. Sucks to see it wasn’t increased or updated in any way for next Gen. This is proven at 14:42
That also disappointed me as well as the lack of at least 8x anisotropic filtering which makes a big difference.
Still, nice to see overall.
@eel3161 it does, but the developers are lazy and didn't wanna take time to update that, maybe they will in a future update
Still the PS5 version is the best version out there even according to Alex. It looks better overall especially on a 4k HDR TV
@eel3161 the PS5 have better specs than my expensive PC. I have a Ryzen 3600, 16gb DDR4 ram, gaming mobo, M.2 Memory, and 1070ti. That cost me 1k+ back in 2019 and the PS5 is slightly more powerful for $399. It definitely can do more. I also own a PS5 and it's a beast of a machine.
@@chickendinner5572 I have to agree. I'm running with 32 gigs RAM, a 9th gen i7 and an RTX2060. Its easy to think it will outperform the PS5, until resolution is considered. Yes, I can run most games maxed out, with raytracing, usually at 60fps +, and it looks magnificent, but its a laptop at 1080p. Plug that laptop into a 4k monitor and it quickly shows just how amazing that $400 console is.
You guys had me with the Doom Level 1 completion as metrics to compare the load time....
😂😂😂😂
The draw distance is shocking to me. It honestly ruins the game for me it’s so bad. Even in Fidelity mode, you get straight up PS2 looking buildings that are only like a block away. It even affects cutscenes; during the mission where you have to do Yoga as Michael in his backyard, one of the buildings from downtown that dominates the background straight up looks like a PS2 asset. It’s embarrassing.
Linneman's definition of what constitutes a retro game (a decade) makes sense, in my opinion!
Gonna pass on this upgrade. Don't think Rockstar deserves anymore money for this game.
If your on ps5 gta online will be free for the next three months and $10 for the full game upgrade
@@Darklord_tK I had my time in GTA online in 2013 and 2014. Only a smooth brain could continue to play this game year after year without becoming extremely bored.
@@journeytree i literally only started playing gta online again because of the ls car meet update the mindless rinse and repeat grinding for money hasn't been fun to me since the first set of heists came out and since gta online is currently the closest thing to midnight club(since rockstar just forgot about it) we have today the racing and vehicle updates are whats keeping me playing
The most successful heist ever.
good one! : )))
I still think they should have released current gen version of red dead 2.
I remember another game that had lots of temporal artifacts was Saints Row 3 Remastered. Every car in the game had a headlight trail due to the temporal anti aliasing.
A developer finally scaled up the depth of field bokeh with resolution increases? The one thing I would’ve liked to see is if it scales between the three graphics modes, since at least two of them are at different res. I’m wondering if it was just a ballpark bump they gave the whole effect, or if it actually has the same effective camera aperture between the resolution changes. This stuff drives me insane lately with all the cross platform upgrades.
I've noticed that objects in front of headlights from cars can cast shadows now, where the ps4 version never had that feature
It's only your car. The npc headlights don't cast shadows
Unfortunately it was downgraded, on the pc version both the headlights cast shadows, but on ps5 it only uses 1 invisible light in the middle.
Even GTA4 had that on PC.
I'm glad you noticed the cutscene stutters. This is also the case with RDR2. I wasn't sure if it was just me but thankfully you have that issue too. I hope they can resolve it (on pc too) but I'm afraid they won't
Cutscenes stutters in RDR2 ? You mean on low fps ? It's still present but most of it's gone when you play anywhere from 40 - 60 fps.
@@Barry_disgruntled its less than in GTA V but it is still there, but I'm talking about high fps. When you lock it to 60 the cutscenes still don't feel like 60 fps
@@DTunezOfficial Fair enough. I see it too sometimes. When I run framerate and frametime checks they're always consistent on a locked framerate but the cutscene animations can be choppy at times as if there were frame pacing issues that're not showing up in my graphs.
@@Barry_disgruntled yeah exactly! But it always annoys me so much so I always lock the game at 30 fps 🥲
@@DTunezOfficial Hahaha I'm doing the same thing too man. I max out most of the settings that genuinely make a difference visually, crank up the resolution scaling and play the game at a locked 35 fps everywhere. It plays just like the console version but with all the eye candy you get with having a PC. I wish the motion blur could've been implemented a bit better because for me it's not perfect. So I turn that setting off.
The new gold standard for load times measurements. Doom levels played by Alex 😂👍
12:00 this blew my mind, I can't believe how Insanely good those PS5 RT shadows look
Appreciate the Max Payne 3 music in the background
Alex, you killed this! Good work, thanks for the video.
I like how you refer to the ps4 version as the "originally release" I almost forgot that this game came out on ps3. Anyway if the only thing they are offering is visual improvement, this thing should be running at least at a solid 1080p 60 fps and rt alway activated.
it runs at dynamic 1440p, 60fps with rt shadows
@@Pit_1209 that's not good enough to warrant another release
@@johndodo2062 who said otherwise? personally I don't care, no one has to buy it anyways and the online it's free for ps5
@@johndodo2062 says who? It’s literally par for the course with virtually any re-release on ps5
@@johndodo2062 you clearly haven't played the game
I think one of the most notable differences you haven’t mentioned: The vehicle you’re driving also casts headlight shadows and they look amazing
Yeah he forgot some things. Also smoke looks better and is casting shadows now.
I do not fully agree on that. Those shadows are treated as from a single source where the PC is treating it as the actual double source headlights realy are. In another comparision they showed an unrealistic sharp an dark on a building far away, even that the area should have less shadows in that area due to streetlights.
The new glas physics are a bit over the top as well.
@@DrJones20 Sorry but that goes only for the burn out smoke wich actualy should not show a sharp shadow but far more diffuse.
The smoke from fires and explosions is plain bad: It seems to always drift away from you and the thick column just stops instead of disolves.
PC already has this, they gave us a 2015 pc without mods, very lackluster features and capped frame and resolution, what a next gen crap
Yup. That's a huge difference in gran turismo 7 and gta V on ps5
Got chills hearing that Max Payne 3 music kick in at the start of the video...!!
A huge oversight to me is NO option for 5.1 or 7.1 speakers. All the sound comes from my center speaker and there is no spatial audio except with the radio. On ps4 you had way more sound settings and I was hoping Digital Foundry would’ve picked up on this.
Am I the only one anymore with a ps5 and a 5.1 speaker setup?
This makes me want a PS5 update to RDR2 all the more.
Honestly RDR2 made better use of their in house engine than gta v ever did and the new version is just an updated port that runs smoother and has ray tracing if you want it, with RDR2 since the assets are easier on the gpu they'd probably be able to actually improve it rather drastically like the 2013 to 2015 re release of gta v
@@Darklord_tK Did red dead redemption two have per object motion motion blur? I feel like it already did but that would be a great enhancement if not.
1440p and 60 FPS, maybe slightly better textures and I would be happy. But as long as they get their money from all the GTA kids they won't do a damn thing.
RDR2 with the fast load times, RT shadows, and 60fps would be a very worthy console upgrade.
@@JFinns you see the vision
As a console gamer all my life, playing these big games in 60fps is a game changer and deserves another go.
1000% agree everyone's telling me to get a pc but my pc "gaming" experience stopped with 3d pinball on windows xp 🤣🤣 im so glad consoles finally can run games at a solid 60fps even though there were a few ps4 titles that ran at 60 fps with a lot of frame dips on the ps4 pro they were never locked and often played the same as the base and slim ps4 with higher resolution but having that buttery smooth performance and some games even supporting up to 120fps on PS5 is great
I only play games in 60+ these days. I'm really happy to see console games pushing for 60fps now, even if the console industry has already lost me at this point.
Yeah. Wow. It took only three console gens to make the game run on 60fps
I've experienced gta v on 60fps 1080P ever since it came out to pc. Experiencing it on 120fps @2K nowadays.
you should make that hop to PC and see what 120+ fps feels like, then you can take about game changers. the fact you waited until 2022 to experience something I experienced in 2012 is awful
"This update does not vastly change the game like metro exodus' enhanced edition"
Which was free btw, from a relatively small developer
With PC shadows, if you use the softest setting it has that shadow box like on PS4, however, this is fixed with both the AMD and Nvidia shadows at the cost of flickering shadows and instability depending on the card.
Also, this game definitely hasn't been optimised for next-gen consoles very well, the PS5 definitely has enough horsepower to get better results than this, especially in LoD and draw distance.
It can´t utilize all cores i suppose. I think it uses only 4 cores. ps5 have 8. Same with pc if all cores in use like red dead redemption 2 fps would be all the time above 100 on 2k with very high settings.
That's a good point. But the GPU is also a large factor as the PS4/Xbox one versions would have been designed for 12 and 18 CU's respectively and I doubt they optimised much above that for this remaster and just let them run at the Series X and PS5's 1.8GHz and 2.3GHz clock speeds.
It just seems minimum effort just like the "Definitive" Trilogy.
No, no it doesn't
@@tmorelli1982 What has lead you to make this claim?
@@chrismorrison5301 knowledge of hardware functionality. These are SoCs, cut down underclocked/undervolted systems on a chip, or in AMD semantics, APUs.
I'm also gaming on high-end hardware, and GTA V even at nearly a decade old is still extremely taxing.
YES, FINALLY, feels like I've been waiting forever
Every RUclipsr before this video : I can’t see the difference between normal shadows and RT shadows. Rockstar is scamming us.
DF : dedicated video on shadow differences 🍺
I love this games single player campaign to death and thats saying alot since I consider Vice City, San Andreas, Gta 3 and the ps2 the golden era of gaming. So I honestly hate to say this but I am pretty sick of seeing this game milked for what it is and Rockstar after all this time still refused to give us a proper single player dlc followup for 5.
With the way Rockstar is now and days I believe the Contract DLC will be the format for further future Story DLC content. 😔
@@mr.chandler9555 youre probably right
I sort of wanted this upgrade to GTA4 instead (including DLCs), that game needs it more because for GTA5 we already have a solid PC version, whereas GTA4 on PS3 and 360 doesn't look great anymore and the PC version is hardly optimized. Not to mention that I think Niko's story is more interesting and has a good amount of replay value.
We need gta 4 and red dead 1 on next gen like yesterday
And yes i will pay again for it
As a old fan of GTA4 that game sucks by todays standards, the missions are boring af and the story doesn't help at all cause the gameplay gets boring so damn fast. So I think it's best to let that game die and move forward.
@@Secth_K yea but at least make a port for fans only
@@ultimateslayer1048 Rockstar's too greedy for that.
Many people wish that but it’s still a company and money speaks as sad as it is
I noticed the sky being more desaturated in sunny weathers were as it was already to desaturated
I like that you added Max Payne 3 music throughout the video
GTA fans: “We’re getting ray traced reflections and seriously updated graphics since we’re paying more money for a game we already bought twice, right?”
Rockstar: “That’s the neat part, you don’t😀”
*RT Shadows
@@griffgames9538 You GTA IV To Have Ray Tracing With No GTA V Included And GTA V Won't Release
i do still think the pc version does a mighty good job considering that version came out way b4. some choices i do prefer are like having the option to turn of motion blur and dof cus those two things are personally an eye sore. i do think the addition of rt shadows is pretty cool but il be honest in motion ur probz not gonna notice it. I will say im glad the next gen peeps will be able to enjoy it nicely now. on my ps4 it was hard to play at that 30. The 60 fps really helps. charging money for this upgrade though is quite bs for console users
I love these deep dives. But I kinda expected more from Rockstar for this version of GTA5.
Maybe the online experience is much better, but I never played it.
Gta online on ps4 was very laggy and blurry so 4k 60 fps is nice but i really think this update should be free
Personally I expected no less from R*. I had not even the slightest doubt that the game would look no different from the PS4 version because this is what they've become: do as little as possible and charge as much as possible". If they do release a GTA 6, I have 0 doubt it will be terrible.
You expect more from Rockstar?
Why?
@@hectorcastellanos7025 if you don't care for the single player gta online will be free for ps plus members for the next three months after that it will be the same price as red dead online stand-alone
@@firstdondiego Yada yada yada. I get the frustration with rockstar but I would advice everyone to judge them by their last original release, which was RDR2, and this game was a masterpiece and so will be GTA 6.
Never expected an Alex humblebrag about his Doom speedrunning skills in a DF video lol
It is Max Payne 3 OST in the whole video actually... such a great game!
Will be interesting to see if they bring the slight improvements over to PC or not. I wish they actually put some proper effort into the "enhancements" and improved the game more significantly past PC, not like the hardware couldn't handle it but might have been too much work considering the engine limitations. It's good that the console versions of the game are in a much better state now though.
RT/HDR and DLSS/FSR would be nice but I doubt they do it.
PC will remain the same, all they are doing is upping the PS5 settings closer to PC lmao
@@RacerRookie did you not watch the video at all? There are some fairly minor enhancements over PC.
@@RacerRookie the Ray traced sun shadows aren't in the pc version.
I bet if they update the pc version they will ask money for it too
Should have also included the PS3 version as well just to show the differences in jump.
There will come a time, very soon, when DF will be part of the Dev team for projects like this. The work undertaken is fantastic. Great job.
The first ever video of DF Ive ever saw was back when you guys made the analysis of GTA V on the PS3 version.
The Panama soundtrack in the background took me back, thanks Alex
Love that Max Payne 3 music
That Max Payne 3 soundtrack 🔥🔥🔥
Ive been loving this upgrade.
Thanks for putting this video out so quickly, can't wait for the next one!
It's awesome to hear Max Payne 3 soundtack in the background.
Wonder when we'll get the upgrade on the PC version. Love to have these new upgrades on there as well.
We won't because unlike the new console versions they have no way to con us into paying for it.
@@lemonscampi I wouldn't be so sure about that. Rockstar will always find a way to con anyone and everyone.
PC gamer elitist do not actually buy game software... it's just a bragging rights trophy that they get ports for because they believe they are so above game systems.
@@lemonscampi most on ps5 are just playing the free online version lol
@@apollosungod2819 damn what a garbage fanboy take. I have a PC, PS4, Xbox One, and Switch and have over 500 games on my steam library alone. And I only got my PC 4 years ago.
If you're gonna pay more for hardware, you're also gonna pay more for games. It would be pretty stupid to buy a $3K system and no games. Though seeing steam surveys, the "PC master race" is basically a shame from fanboys. 90% of PC users still have a 3 year old mid range GPU. Less than 2% of all of them have a 3090 or 2080 ti. It's as if people assume you're just buying the hardware to show off.
Max payne 3 soundtrack is a classic
Love the Max Payne 3 music by HEALTH
"This moving line of shadow resolution is distracting"
Well it wasn't to me until you pointed it out. Now it's all I can see. So thanks for that!
In order to eliminate pc's cutscene stutter you have to disable in game vsync, enable vync and 60fps cap in nvidia control panel.
Not true at all.
@@adammohrone what’s the truth?
@@Jetanium your mom had an affair with me. I’m your real dad.
Love to see it up against PS3
This is shameful compared to the Spiderman upgrade, particularly as that was a much better looking game on PS4
Insomniac is on a different level.
Did anyone expected a good job from them after what they did with trilogy? most gamers are damn insane.
They didnt make the GTA remastere trilogy.
They outsourced it.
@@WayStedYou well obviously they didn’t give a shit either way.
@@WayStedYou But Rockstar still oversaw and approved that abomination of remaster. Gamers just buy any garbage that is shoved their throats nowadays, it's sad.
Great video Alex!! But i think u forgot to mention that SSR in fidelity mode are a LOT more accurate and a higher res than the ones in the other two modes, and when raining (especially at night) is a game changer, hope u will include that aspect in the upcoming video
There's SSR?
@@pixels_per_inch yeah, for reflections on puddles and water
@@raulsoftair3572 Isn't that just the cubemap stuck on the character?
@@pixels_per_inch nope, cube maps are only for transparent and semi-transparent materials such as car parts, glasses and other small things, for puddles it's surely SSR cuz when a thunder occurs u can see it reflected in the ssr
@@raulsoftair3572 Do the reflections disappear when the reflected objects are off screen? (when you look down, etc)
Been WAITING for this to drop!
Skyrim on multiple console generations?
GTAV : hold my beer 🍺 we’ll be on PlayStation 6 and Xbox Infinity as wel 😂😂
Resident Evil 4: 🍻 🤑
The DOOM game play for loading time indication is brilliant!
thanks for pointing out the dual sense! I love when games implement this
The DooM comparison was awesome!!
If you bought this again, congratulations, you played yourself.
Was waiting for this. I've been enjoying Los Santos, hoping for a RDR2 Next Gen port now.
That would be great
saint denis in 4k 60fps😩
@@KobraVI sadly 4k 60 won't happen on current gen consoles. Even my 3080 based PC wasn't a smooth 4k60 before they released DLSS.
@@KobraVI that would be magical especially with ray tracing
@@realshmoothie if you use optimised settings you can definitely achieve a native 4k 60
So Expanded and Enhanced just meant the pc version with RT shadows and per object motion blur, interesting.
It means the overall representation of this game is now with this version the best represented version of them all.
In short, the next gen console version is better than the PC version at this point. That is without all the extra online stuff you will get in the next gen console version that you won't get on the last gen PC version
@@SC0RPI0NFURY Better in the sense it has RT shadows and per object motion blur, that's it, it can't even match PC's draw distance and anisotropic filtering
Expanded and enhanced should mean just that, expanded and enhanced, I could explain to you why this is not that but that would be wasting my time as anyone with a brain would know it hasn't been 'expanded and enhanced'
I feel like Alex is the only person on god's earth who found the RT in E&E. Nice video.
Great video guys!
*Count Dooku voice:
“I’ve been looking forward to this”.
Nothing was expanded and very little was enhanced. That's so Rockstar Games...
The fact that it takes a digital foundry analysis to see any difference between this and the PS4 version goes to show how little effort Rockstar put into this, and how greedy it is to charge for something that should have been a free patch. Rockstar has truly become what it always parodies in it games.
60FPS and DualSense support is awesome but that’s about it. I expected the bare minimum from Rockstar and yet I still came out disappointed. It’s weird that they didn’t give this game, considered to be one of the best selling pieces of entertainment, the proper upgrade it deserved. What a shame.
You expect too much from ps5 hardware. Its just not that good
@@geesehoward7261 It's pretty good. The gpu is at par with an rtx 2070 super which is very decent mid range gaming gpu.
Doesn't surprise me, look how bad they did San Andreas.
@@talharehman3664 2070 super is old. Not a 4k gpu. It also features harware ray tracing where ps5 does not
@@geesehoward7261 4k 60 is too much to ask from a $400 console. Its pretty decent for the price. Get a $3000 pc if you want 4k 60 then
Max Payne 3 soundtrack works really well in the background
The only video that I care about right now
If you spent any money on this game, you’re part of the problem.
Great work as usual DF. Hope to see gyro aiming on PS5 added - that feature makes aiming so much better when available!
Honestly, I was glad when I heard GTA 5 was getting a upgrade for next gen consoles, as me and many people cannot afford a high-end PC.
Great work as always. I love the little bits like Doom levels and the not controversial sign peppered in what's essentially a very dry technical analysis, I think it makes for a much more engaging video.
Well I'm glad they could make it more fun for you children
The Performance RT mode is near flawless, but exhibits some heavy framerate drops in the online mode. Some small drops in the nightclub but MAJOR drops during the Cayo Perico heist, low 40s high 30s. I would suggest switching to Performance whenever you play the heist because it isn't very pleasent.