Analysis of Dr. Hughes' Testimony | Was it Biased? | Johnny Depp / Amber Heard Case
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of the testimony of Dr. Dawn Hughes from day 13 and day 14 of the Johnny Depp / Amber Heard defamation trial?
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When she attempted to prove she wasn't biased she would only cite men being the victim when they were in same-sex relationships. Everything she cited was based off Ambers self reporting and there is heaps of proof contradicting Ambers ability to be honest.
Dr Karen was just doing what she was paid for
@@LuisSierra42 yep, the lawyer formed the narrative by constantly saying women specifically. I don’t know why they thought this would be a good strategy, I can’t imagine the jury didn’t notice
She couldn’t cite one time that she testified or even worked on a case where the woman abused a man. She could only concede to male victims when their perpetrators were also male. Biased the house!!!
@@lalalalalalee6311 exactly
If you just listen to all of the recordings there is no way you can come away thinking Amber doesn't have any personality issues. Plus, we already know she lied about the makeup so she is perfectly capable of lying to support her claims. What else is she lying about?
My daughter (a Ph.D. herself) shared this little gem with me: "What do you call a doctor who graduated at the bottom of his/her class?" The answer: "Doctor". Not everyone with credentials is automatically talented or good at what they do.
I treat medical doctors with the same level of respect as I do my plumber. OK maybe I treat my plumber a little bit better. But the point is a doctor someone that I hired to do a service and who I also fire if they cannot perform adequately. Nothing more nothing less.
Exactly, and I’m sure the same applies to your daughter. PhD LOL
a ph.d. would say that. I'd take a doctorate over a ph.d.. a ph.d. is theory and research based where as a doctorate applies the aforementioned. practice is essential to true knowledge.
Haha this had me chuckling.
Very good share... 💗
I'm a woman who was beaten by her male ex-partner. I know other women who were physically assaulted by their male partners.
That being said, I was sooooo disturbed by this dr's gender bias.
I thought of all the men who might have listened to her and might now feel less likely to seek out help.
It sounded so dehumanizing.
So, to the men out there: you deserve help and support, just like everyone one does. Not because you're a man or woman, because you're a human in this world.. 💚
So true. I am also a domestic abuse survivor and I completely agree. I readily admit that it is very difficult for me to see men as victims of DV in heterosexual relationships, but I know that it does happen. Still, I don't just dismiss a man's claim because he's a man and the statistics are lower for heterosexual men being the victims of IPV compared to the number of heterosexual women being the victims of IPV. This "dr" was so clearly gender-biased and her testimony was very unethical. She should have stuck to the facts and answered the questions in the most neutral manner possible. Instead, she acted as though she has an emotional stake in the outcome...which makes me think there must be financial incentives to play it all up as she did rather than give a neutral expert opinion.
Happened to me with my female ex, they believed her lies and make up stories, thank god she had nothing to prove her stories and the case was dismissed after spending almost $50K myself. Then she denied infidelity saying that the guy is her regular friend, guess what she got pregnant and that was the proof I needed. I feel bad for really abused women but those women with fake stories taking advantage of the system, hell no. I was also disturbed by this woman while watching. I felt like throwing up while listening.
@@cm2972 I'm sorry you experience. It's unbelievable that people are out their who are sick enough and awful enough to act like this. I have been trying to get an official divorce settlement for over 5yrs from an abuser with multiple Cluster B diagnoses so I feel your pain.
I'm so sad you endured such abuse my friend, but you still can be fair and unbiased.Bless you.
No animal practises violence toward its mate in the wild. IPV can occur in both genders but the statistics show that male adults are more likely (51%) to be perpetrators of IPV or domestic violence.
Lack of professionalism aside, the moment she admitted to being Amber Heard's friend and buddy, should have disqualified her as being a professional witness, PERIOD.
When did she do that? Totally missed it. That’s insanity
Yes, and Currey having dinner and drinks with Depp is A-OK..
@@lovescent46 How much you getting paid from Amber's legal team?
@@lovescent46 Dr Curry clarified it was an interview. She made this explicitly clear...
@@lovescent46 shut up Amber
Her entire testimony was more of an eye witness account, she even defended herself blaming JD without ever seeing him. She was more of a gossipy friend rather than a professional. Absolutely disgusting!
She was so over invested. Everything AH did was all good - everything he did was all bad and the cause of the bad things AH did. It was a little BPD itself.
That's what I also heard a gossipy friend
@@suzanne6441
I think this dr was an older version of AH, completely delusional, unprofessional, and most importantly dangerous. Even her maths made no sense. She testified to being in court as an expert at least 50x, then says 2x a year! How old is she? 100?
Absolutely agree
@@Shahi313 Lol😅👍
I’m a survivor. I would:NEVER give my abuser a huge knife, NEVER chastise him for “splitting”, NEVER call him a baby or taunt him. Especially: “Tell the world Johnny…see if anyone believes you.” Amber and that “expert” remind me of my ex. I do not believe either are credible.
I totally agree!! I would NEVER had given "the father of my child...; or ( The Biological , as I like to call him ); a weapon. That would be to "ask for trouble".
And if he would be wanting to be alone; I would cherish the calmness and "violence free break" from him.
The video recordings were what made me, become "Team Johnny".
Before that, I was more inclined to believe Amber...
, and I feel so "ashamed" for that now...
Thank GODDESS for the "calm and reasonable" demeanor of Dr Grande.
❤
@@emmaofdragons2720 The tapes are damning for her. It’s so odd that her attorneys have played clips thinking they’d help HER. The fact that the photos are questionable/unverified slams the door shut. I was shocked when I first heard of this, too, but so many others were “going down” at the time, what else could we think. Imagine not having the tapes! The gaslighting is so strong-her “expert” even twisting the facts and ignoring real evidence made me feel so frustrated. That woman trains people to frame men! So horrifying. I hope you are in a safe place now and have peace. I think many who “know” can see/feel what Johnny has been through. All I could think was Thank God he made it out alive, as I truly believe he was in real danger.
Tbf not defending her but not all abuse is the same. I uses to be in the punk lifestyle and I would do kind of similar weird shit, I gave my ex a slingshot lol (BECAUSE he reminded me of dennis the menace! Twisted logic I know) . Not very smart but I loved him even though he abused me. I would scream and shout back at him, we'd make up. When you're in certain life styles I guess it looks really bad from the outside in :( I'm kind of worried now what people have been thinking when I tell them what happened, like it was my fault. Maybe it was lol
@@miriammcdowell5048 I don't know how helpful it is to say 'real victims do this'
From what I've been reading from other people, I reacted very differently to my abuse, I fought back, I was sarcastic and crude. It was incredibly tumultuous. There isn't a perfect victim profile. I've been doubting myself because of comments like this, but I WAS the victim of abuse, I guess everyone reacts differently to abuse. It's good to keep this in mind because it can be missed in friends and family if you're only looking for one type of victim
Perfectly said 🙌
Was the testimony of a woman who referred to men as perpetrators, women as victims, and analyzed a man she never met biased? Yes… absolutely.
All hail Dark Bunny Lord
I think the fact that she testified that AH was re-traumatized and suffered another entirely new incident of PTSD by JD's attorney saying her assault was a hoax is just utter BS and someone should report her to New York's licensing board for it. They should also report her for signing her deposition under oath knowing it contained, in her own words, "several mistakes", one of which was that she was being paid $100 per hour when she was receiving 500 an hour. It appears she was fine with letting these mistakes slide until JDs attorney brought the rate mistake up during cross and she tried to somehow justify the mistake by saying she saw several mistakes in her deposition. Then, why did she sign the bloody thing!??! That goes directly towards her credibility as a witness. It should strike her qualifications as an expert witness because it is considered lying under oath. Again, residents of New York should report her to the the professional board that gave her her license AND to the New York Bar Association, as well as, the Manhattan and Brooklyn and NYC Bar Associations to remove and exclude her from their lists as an Expert Witness for swearing to multiple statements she knew to be false.
@@B_Bodziak ☝️
She literally listed ‘mumbling’ as an example of aggression
All of JD "witnesses" are working for him or paid by him (like Dr.curry) but no one seems to acknowledge that they might be biased,including this doctor hier lol
My ex was diagnosed with histrionic and borderline personality disorders, and I recognize very similar behavior with Amber Heard. This makes me remember what i want to forget.
Same!!! I recognized the dynamics of this relationship immediately!
My sister was diagnosed with both. When these audio tapes came out two years ago and I heard them it was like listening to my sister. It was horrible. My sister dated wonderful, intelligent men generally from Europe for whatever reason, she mistreated them, they would try and leave and she would say she was then suicidal etc and they would stay. It would continue. Finally he would leave. As a family we are still in touch with all these wonderful men but towards the end couldnt be near here much as she was a danger to people. You had to watch what you said because it could be twisted or manipulated, her memory of things was far different from everyone. It was tough and exactly what Amber is doing. I support Johnny not because hes a lovely movie star we grew up with but because I recognize so many things Amber said and did.
We all want to forget women like this....my mom, my stepmom and mother in law.....histrionic indeed.
If nothing else it can be a guide on how not to behave. Although guess part of the problem is that folks with these conditions do not see a problem with their behavior.
big hugs. youre not alone.
One thing most interesting to me is that most of those “offensive” texts were not to Amber, and were never seen by her until the lawsuit, which means they did not factor into her PTSD or ab*se
Excellent point!
Very good point!!
She wouldn't hand over her phone.That will come out.
That’s a damn good point
Great point
The fact that she left blank spaces in her assessment tells you that she already had a predisposed analysis of what she wants the result to be. I have done many assessments on patients, and the way she did hers was totally unacceptable! And the fact that she was aware that it will be presented in a high profile court case makes her incompetent , unprofessional and unreliable in my opinion.
I have had many many assessments done on me since I was a child. If this women walked in to treat me I would walk out. She seems annoyed and not interested in her work at all. Usually people that do this job are kind to people who are suffering. She seemed to not pick up on true suffering. Amber is angry and vindictive, she is not suffering the way Johnny obviously is. I am not a doctor but this seems pretty obvious 😂
Agreed. In training to conduct diagnostics this is covered thoroughly. She didn’t even have a substantial written narrative to accompany scoring. And the scoring was subjective. Instruments not used correctly are weapons.
Her work is sloppy and unethical, hope the jurors can see it
@@witch6in6the6womb yeah she looked like she was going to lose it the second time Elaine (amber's lawyer) muddled and called her Dr Curry instead of Hughes
Indeed
I do think each clinician was biased, but with Hughes she was actually making a direct accusation that Johnny did all these things to Amber, simply because Amber told them that he did. They never talked to him, never did any tests on him, and it’s impossible to make that assertion. At least with Curry, she just stated that Heard has a personality disorder, but it was based on her time spent with her, discussing things with her, and HER test scores. Hughes went by hearsay and her bias that men are ALWAYS the abuser, and women are ALWAYS the victim. I don’t think it’s a matter of who was worse. I think Depp was abused and reacted to it.
yes, that was the most bizarre "professional" presentation/assessment I have ever seen, how is that even allowed
she should be asked whether she had a lunch with amber heard
@@aditinegi4937 whether cupcake was served🤣🤣
She literally SAID THAT IT IS NOT ALWAYS
Exactly right!!
Hughes is hired by Amber to give amber diagnosis she wanted to have in order to use against Depp, her diagnostic bread and butter came via pleasing amber
Curry was in theory ALSO to benefit Amber but she was forthright and did not pull her punches with Amber for the sake of money, she said no, I do not find PTSD here , I find two very specific personality disorders - which are actually in keeping with Kate James telling the UK court that Amber routinely uses stimulants like Adderall and Modafinil as depression and anxiety meds don't help BPD or HPD
Dr Currys findings meant it was very unlikely her client would ever utilise her services again and rendered her takes anyway - seems very ethical
I'd love to know what Dr. Grande thinks about Dr. Hughes signing her deposition, under oath, knowing it contained "several mistakes" including her rate being listed as $100/hour instead of $500. That seems to go straight to her credibility.
The argument "well, men are more likely to be the perpetrator" when dealing with an INDIVIDUAL case drives me up the wall and don't understand why it is even tolerated. Honestly, this case has been very eye opening to me.
Right?? That’s ridiculous. Ask any statistician. ‘Probability’ doesn’t apply here. In a population, more men are IPV perpetrators than women (based on studies) does NOT imply in an individual relationship, the man is or is not the abuser.
You can object to claims like this but the best strategy is actually not to. Why? I had almost this exact situation in a moot court once and I won the moot by not objecting. All you do is wait for cross examination and then you ask something like: "You testified that usually men are the perpetrator is that correct?" "yes" "And you believe that strongly?" "yes" "How strongly?" "very strongly" "Would you say that in cases where there is some ambiguity in the evidence, you could probably still assume that the man was likely the perpetrator?" "yes" and BOOM you've just proved bias. That witness's testimony is worthless now. She's just admitted that she would say it's his fault even if there wasn't evidence to support that conclusion. DO NOT INTERRUPT THE ENEMY WHEN THEY ARE MAKING A MISTAKE
Update: the exact line of questioning isn't really relevant, the point is that, by giving this evidence, the witness is using general statistics to make an individual conclusion, which is pretty much the definition of what bias is, and you can argue that in closing. So there is no reason to stop the witness when they are testifying to their own bias. It's just especially clear when you are able to cross examine them to admit it. They will admit it if you phrase your question, and use a tone, that makes the witness think you are trying to challenge the statistic itself, they will then typically double down in defending the statistic, and they will think they are doing well, and so they will relax and talk about it a lot, all the while they are just digging their own hole.
Statements like that from people like her that make it incredibly difficult for men to come forward
I agree because this is EXACTLY what this case is about. DON'T just believe! Because sometimes the victim IS the man or the larger one of the two or the one not claiming to be the victim or the quiet one..... I feel there MUST be evidence. I don't believe there has to be all this dragging your life experiences through the court. But, I was in this same situation. After a year of verbal and emotional abuse, he realized I was actually figuring out what he was doing. So, he attacked me one more time .....with a gun this time. Then when I snuck myself and my kids out in the morning, he went and got a restraining order. Like Amber.....with NO evidence. For 30 days I was not allowed to step foot in my own house. I owned it, not him. No clothes, food or supplies for myself or my three kids. And no immediate roof over our heads. All the while, he had plenty of time to find a new victim, move into her place and take whatever if mine he wanted. He owned nothing but a few clothes and a crappy old car. He traveled light. He moved from one gal to another. No reason to own anything of his own except clothes and personal items. He just moved in with the new victim and used all of her things. The restraining order he got against me was his fifth as age 3 1 yrs. Perhaps there should be a requirement that judges do a little research on how many ROs a person has gotten, who they got them against and why. I think the fact that that had been his fifth, all on different women and none of them had ever asked for one or had one against them and, I at least had a spotless record with police, should have made a difference regarding whether the judge just went ahead and granted him an RO based on his word.
Anyway....
Like Johnny said: "Nothing in this case is simple"!
@@neildutoit5177 maybe you should be teaching people how to testify and not her?
The beginning of her testimony looked incredibly strange and unprofessional. She was admonished several times by the court for reading directly from her report when as an expert witness, she can't do that. Testifying is a "memory test." 🤦♀️ She got occasionally snarky. She looked unprepared, disorganized, and too emotionally involved in Amber's narrative. She's a forensic psychocologist, not AH's treating clinician. She boldly recounted AH's claims as if she were an eyewitness. She treated them as a statement of fact. It seemed incredibly biased and outside the scope of her job to analyze if Amber's behavior is consistent with a IPV victim. I don't understand why she went leaps and bounds beyond that. It may look bad to to jury.
$500/hr is why...mental health "professionals in America are a disgrace.
It _should_ look bad to a jury.
@@Ad-Lo I agree, but that is totally up to the jury to decide. It's not like on day two she didn't have some fair points even on a strong cross-examination. I'm sure Dr. Curry advised Johnny's team for that cross and that she will be called back to the stand for rebuttal.
Everything you said was correct, excellent analysis!
It wasn't even a report she was reading from.........it was her own personal notes for the trial, which neither team of attorneys had copies of, and they were not in evidence.
I think it is way too convenient to just say, “They’re both bad.”
Victims don’t have to be, “good,” nor do perpetrators have to be considered, “evil.”
The jury needs to have the guts to rule in favor of Depp, using logic and reason.
Yes, no one thinks about the high level of abuse he suffered, if she were the male and he the female and she endured the same abuse for hours, and then leaves with a 'fat ass' no one would think anything of it. But everyone's...look, verbal abuse. It's so aggravating.
And evidence. AH's side has just been testifying..constantly, every chance they get. Pictures of JD sleeping are evidence of him sleeping. There wasn't a needle sticking out of his arm or bottles surrounding him...just AH's narration
Spoton
Agree 💯. From that statement from the doctor, I can see His own bias. Perhaps a little judgey ?
Saying they’re both bad implies they’re the same, when the worst Johnny has done is insult her. He lost part of his finger due to her
One more thing is she called Amber’s violence as minor. Then when shown pictures of Johnny’s severed finger she agreed it’s not minor violence…
johnnys lawyers exposed her bias so well. They did a great job.
And yet there's no proof Amber caused the injury to his finger.
@@nonnag actually she admitted it, there is audio of it.
@@mykitm7104 No there isn't.
@@nonnag yes, there is.
Dr hughes was a huge disappointment despite all her credentials. She was biased, she had no basis for her diagnosis of ptsd, as she claimed she didnt even do the assessment for it before diagnosing, she contradicted hersef. She had very convenient memory problems, yet she could remember everything that JD allegedly did to AH with great detail.
I found Dr Curry to be more credible and AH is doing exactly what Dr Curry said she would do on the stand.
The relationship was toxic from the start and I believe AH orchestrated the whole thing to further her career and get a huge payout after divorcing JD.
She is NOT a victim of dv
Spot on!!!!!
The way Dr Hughes was having to refer to a pile of notes ( actually reading from them )she described as ‘a post it note’ was enough to discredit her to me.
No other experts have been allowed to do that. She’s a hired gun, and clearly needed her notes to give what the defence wanted her to say. You need a very good memory if you are not being authentic!
Well said, I agree
Exactly.
She is the kind of therapist so deep involved in her speciality that she sees abuse everywhere!!!! I'm also sure that Amber faked and deliberately exgerate her symptômes with Dr. curry to make her less credible in court!
Dr. Hughes was describing actions by Jonny as if she were there as a witness
Exactly
Dr. Hughes acted like a medium or psychic and got really mad and protective when her psychic powers were questioned by Depp's team just like a medium or psychic usually do.
True, she is such an unprofessional and manipulative "expert"...to the point of getting boring...her show was not even as bad as Amber's 😅
Agree
Right. All that and she spent 0 hours with the man.
Dawn Hughes is a paid "professional" lawyers can hire to say whatever that lawyer needs for their case.
She also coaches people how to act in court to gain sympathy. You can see that Amber went to the Dawn Hughes School of Acting.
Hughes also may have perjured herself in court saying that Heard doesn't have any disorders, when Amber has a history of violence and harming herself.
What is scary is how many cases Dawn Hughes have been involved in previously and how she may have tainted those.
Doctors like Dr Dawn Hughes are scarier then hell 😰
She most definitely committed purgery when she blatantly lied about Amber having not having a past history of domestic violence.
A color expert who wrote a best selling book on the subject, if that is a credential, stated that it is known from research that if you wish to appear innocent in a courtroom situation you should wear yellow. Amber wore yellow for several days in a row at the start of this trial. Too bad it didn’t help her.
@@rockforester7908 a yellow turd is still a turd.... He says, very maturely.
I read that CAP-5 test is the gold standard for diagnosing PTSD in the past, present and future behavior, yet Dr. Hughes admitted she did not bother to use it and just relied on the notes taken from other therapists, nor did she fill out the summary page & one would need to parse thru hundreds if pages of notes as Johnny's attorneys pointed out. To me that was a red flag right there for accountability and I truly hope Johnny's team makes an issue of this.
This woman used the "Women are smaller so they can't hurt men" argument. That is literally an argument used by people to deny the existence of female on male abuse. I have no words for how ridiculous and disheartening that is for a professional to say while under oath in court. That is insane.
I don't think she was perjuring herself or anything but she definitely have some deep-seated biases about male victims of abuse and that was CLEARLY on display here.
Maybe Dr. Curry was biased but the testimony she gave was solely based on the tests she administered and the information she received from said tests and previous notes while Dr. Hughes' testimony was based on her own preconceived notions about what type of person is and is not an abuser.
I believe dr Curry's bias got apparent when she determined that AH has the two disorders. Dr Grande spoke on many occasions that a therapist cant diagnose a disorder "over night". It takes time to establish a pattern.... Etc
But if the jury believes that AH has the two disorders, they will have to assume that her disorders "made" her do it, intentionally defame JD for revenge, thus granting JD a compensation worth of 50M. That's what I think, i may be wrong
A toddler can excitedly throw a block at their dad and cause him a hospital visit for stitches (and maybe even a concussion.) Her line of reasoning is completely ridiculous.
I understand the objection to that argument but still, if women are equally as physically powerful as men then why are men and women's sports seperated? Depending on the sport it is not fair to put them side by side as one sex will always win when competing against the other. The desire to see men and women's physical power as equal leads to a dishonest assessment. The woman can change the inequality by using weapons such as projectiles while the man remains unarmed. But will he remain unarmed?
The more important question is: who pursues the conflict to establish dominance? Abuse is about dominance and dominance is not always physical. It is an old fashioned assumption to believe that it is. Who is dominating the relationship to the detriment of the other party? Could it be that Johnny was controlling Amber with financial abuse and other controlling behaviour while she could only fight against it with violent outbursts? It is possible. A lot of rich men will never hit a woman because they simply do not have to, they have plenty of other types of power to abuse, plus it's a sign of being on a lower economic level. Johnny's story makes Amber look very bad but we are yet to hear the whole of Amber's story.
In my opinion some smaller women feel the right to abuse their male partners because they know they wont dare hit back.
For all her schooling, she has never spent any time watching “Snapped” on the Oxygen Network.
She knows her documentation is potentially a legal document, still she brings a standarized test to court with numberous blanks spaces. She says the answers are in her notes (which, I imagine would be in a patient chart in her office ?) Why would she leave blank spots on a test that is to be used as proof in a high profile court case. Shifty and shady
lowdown, shifty, shady, and sheisty
And leave errors in other documents, like the “several errors” in the transcript she admitted to knowing about but not correcting. Very unprofessional.
That is shady!
She had her documents with her..... all 80 pages of it!! So Depp’s attorneys would have to hunt through it and decide which parts were meant for each box?!
@@whatsinaname3561 and the jury! How are they supposed to fit an 80 page report and a badly filled out bunch of psychology tests together to make sense? They’re not trained in that! Hughes knew what she was doing and it’s misleading and it’s totally unprofessional for a psychologist especially in this legal scenario!
Expert witnesses’ testimonies are always skewed to the legal team that hired them. It’s a matter of providing theories, facts and sound analyses that would make them more credible than the other. In some cases, they cancel each other out, but I think Dr Curry wins over Dr Hughes.
Well, correct observation. This is why such expertise shall be performed by an expert who investigates in favour of the court thrying to establish the material truth, not for any of the sides in a particular case. This is the case of most experts in most countries. If USA legal system aloows for such type of expertise, maybe the judge should resort to it in order to clarify the situation given a stark contradiction between testimonies of psychological experts of both sides. Since yes, being able to establish whether or not mr Heard behaviour is consistent with what science says about behaviour of people who have suffered PTSD as the result of IPV might be crucial in this case. Given the vast difference of professional opinons between dr Curry and dr Hughes I suppose it would be well-justficed for the judge to seek a third and more neutral psychological assesment.
This part of the case is exactly what I wanted covered and I agree wholeheartedly! Thank you Dr. Grande! You are my go to channel always for the brilliant insight! Thank you, thank you! ♡
I testify as a medical forensic expert and have for the past 20 years. I was frankly astonished at her testimony. NO EXPERT testifies like this. She sat on the stand and told a "story" that she narrates. She failed to include any other professional's opinion that did not agree with her finding of IPV. She failed to provide any professional opinion based in fact. I have never seen such an openly biased analyst. In my professional opinion, she has destroyed her credibility going forward.
As she stated that females are unlikely to be the attacker, I would like to invite her to attend the criminal analysis that I perform on females who murder their male SO or the significant number of females who lie to get even with their male partners. I personally believe the statistics are not accurate as most males do not come forward and stay silent.
She doesn't understand statistics at all.
Her statements of the statistics are completely accurate. Her analysis of those statistics is biased and ignores all the additional context, history and evidence in this specific case.
IPV data is NOT only gathered from what is reported to authorities. And if anything, the true numbers of violence committed against women, children, other men, LGBTQ+ people is significantly more under reported than women committing violence against men.
It is gathered from a wide variety of sources. Sorry to have to point out that even if violence towards males is under represented in data, the vast majority of violence being committed against those men will be at the hands of other men.
Women committing violence is a serious and equally awful crime. It is, however, NOT the pathological social norm that male violence towards everyone else in society is. It just isn't.
I tend to agree with you about the statistics. I hate when people say this statistics because I'm like well we already know that men are much less likely to come forward so do we really know the percentage of men that suffer from DV or IPV cuz I'm pretty sure it's artificially low.
And while also yes men are more likely to be violent women are more likely to use manipulation and gaslighting push their partner to violence so you know there's that.
Also as somebody who is a survivor of a manipulative and emotionally abusive relationship I hate the idea that somehow physical abuse is worse than emotional abuse. They're different types of abuse but they are equally horrendous.
@@emmavink But how do you know you have an accurate statistic if you aren't sure if you have counted the correct number? Unless you're extrapolating based on what you do have which even then that's not an accurate number or an accurate way to make that statistic.
Wonder why some women kill men then for no reason? Really?
He's allegedly guilty of coercive control and trying to isolate her from friends and family. Yet she got the biggest role of her career when she was with him. And she had 3-4 of her friends living next door to her rent free in his penthouses.
This!!!!!!!
AND HE FLEW ALL HER FRIENDS ON THEIR VACATIONS!
I couldnt even talk on the phone much less have a phone when i was with my exhusband.
Thank you!!! I was going to post that too. Common sense that Dr. Hughes seems to be lacking.
And..her friends and family lived off of Johnny’s wealth...
Another greate video on the trial!
I suffer from BPD and NPD and am in therapy, and you do excellent work on your channel, Dr. Grande! Thank you for that!
The judge should be taking your analysis into account Dr. Grande! I really appreciate how impartial you are, and that you are able to focus on important details that bring a lot of clarity to both sides of the testimony. Great work again, thank you!
I thought her gender bias was despicable. When she was explaining the characteristics of a general situation she absolutely should have been using he/ she. Otherwise it was predjudicial to the jury’s understanding; causing them to believe that all victims are female. With that behavior alone she lost credibility.
Hope the jury gets that too.
Another thing that really got to me was the anger and aggressive looks/ answers she gave- not exactly an image of an objective in control professional.
No need to use he/she when that doesn't include everyone
Male/female & man/woman as the only categories in existence is very outdated
Just say "they" to keep it neutral
And say abuser / abused, perp /vic, etc
@@cindz4618 and eye rolls when anyone dared question her reading of her notes!!! I was hoping Dr. Grande would go into detail on this!
highly unethical for Dr Huge to provide an opinion of JD when she had not even met the person, she should only provide science based data and not opinions. Dirty professionals like her give the industry a bad name. In the animal kingdom they are worst than jackals.
She spoke on their relationship as if she were her personal psychologist and it was strange
She was yet another "Amber told me" witness without corroboration.
I'm glad his lawyer did bring up her opinion of "their" relationship, when she only spoke for 30 hours with only one side of that relationship. She did agree that it was not fully accurate but based her "opinion" on reading other professional notes. Well, then we should all feel safe and not violated by such "opinion". I was suspicious of my social worker who was working with me along with the therapist. I got access to my notes, and noticed that she lied: I was not pleased with her, so I said I did not want to see her, but see another SW. She documented it as "patient refusing therapy, case closed" ! I reported her to the manager and the therapist and was removed from my care. Later on, I found out from other patients that she has done the same to them. She is rude, fake, and unprofessional... but obviously has connections that she cannot be fired !!
Same than the other psychologist taken from Melrose Place tried to do but with the disgust of even diagnosed personality disorder just to Amber.
It’s not really fair to say that they “cancel each other out” when it’s possible one of them is right. Just because one confirms the opinions of the side they’re testifying for, doesn’t mean that their interpretation of the test results are wrong. It would be interesting to get a panel of experts to review test scores, testimony and interviews…
I agree. I did not like that he called Dr Curry bias without any explanation just because she arrived to certain conclusions that support Heard being the instigator. I found her testimony professional and based on tests and facts, not retelling of what Johnny Depp told her. This did not sit well with me at all.
Then the fact she had "notes" she got pissed about not being able to directly read from.... in a GREEN folder.... puts them away! Then gives up only white sheets of paper pulled from a BLUE folder! .... that speaks volumes to me. It's shady as shit. And I wish the judge would see that or even Johnny's team and then get her whole testimony stricken from the record.
She couldn't have gotten anymore bias! I think Amber's lawyers had a word with her because today she acted like she didn't say things she clearly said. It's scary that's she a doctor
For people who are already vulnerable.
Well put bill.
No shit. Wonder how many ppl she damaged throughout her practice
@@violagentsch
I dont think she practices much.
As far as i understood it she basically gets most of her pay from stuff like what she did in the amber heard case and government gigs where she holds presentations to explain domestic abuse.
Which is still bad, but lawyers and politicians are usually brainfucked anyways, so its not that big a loss.
@@camomoose1078 nicely worded 🤣
Dr. Hughes lost me when she clearly attempted to deceive the court when asked about whether she had ever found a man that was the victim of abuse. She mentioned a case of a man in prison being abuse, as if it was a man in a relationship. This is exactly how so many in the media lie, while being factually truthful. A Hughes herself stated, you have to look at the context. Very dishonest
I think that the term is ' omitting certain truths', is it not?
I am beginning to wonder if the truth will come to the forefront- watching and listening to Amber Heard made me feel sick. I do hope the judge sees the truth and only the truth
Not only that but men could be victims... in same sex relationships, just like women could be perpetrators in same-sex relationships. The option she left out was a man being abused by a woman. She is disgustingly sexist.
Exactly...she mentioned a man who was a victim of men.
No
Thank you very much Dr. Grande. It's refreshing to hear an analysis of this distressing situation that doesn't rely on sensationalism. May justice prevail !!
Most interesting to me is that even 18 months ago this therapist would be lauded and raised up, and she has that arrogance about her. She’s become accustomed to operating in a realm where her testimony and knowledge have been put on a pedestal. But we are at an inflection point and people are tired of “believe all women”, sadly, she doesn’t know it yet. Clearly by Johnny testifying first we were able to hear about his past trauma and and abuse under an abusive mother, and the knowledge that Amber knew that and then proceeded to treat him the way she did has solidified our perception of her as an abuser. Her therapist therefore appears manipulative. Dr. Curry does have experience with treating PTSD and she noted that Amber responded in the affirmative to 19 out of 20 questions, and in her decades long experience of treating people with PTSD she had never seen anyone fulfill that many criteria of PTSD… she’s literally treating soldiers with battle fatigue, that was telling imo.
I disagree that people are tired of believe all women and just that this women in particular no longer should be believed. It’s believe all woman until shown otherwise not believe all woman uncritically.
This Dr is on a crusade, as pointed out by one of the RUclips lawyers giving their thoughts on the case.
And I agree.
@@brandonboschi7621 That's the dangerous part. It should never be guilty until proven innocent. We have too many examples of this
@@troyrichardson8787 in a court of public opinion its important to believe victims given the historical context where we have not. of course in an actual courtroom this shouldnt apply.
@@brandonboschi7621 That is extremely dangerous thinking. The issue is not believing potential victims, it's not giving equal protection to potential perpetrators when gathering evidence to corroborate a crime. Why would you want someone to be able to accuse you of a crime, whether you were guilty or not, especially if you knew you weren't guilty, with no proof? And no repercussions if found that the allegations against you were false? The problem is you are hoping most people are good and honest, versus advocating for laws that protect you when people are not.
I found this "doctor" to be frightening unfriendly, unlikable and surprisingly biased. The fact that someone with her credentials answered some of the questions as she did actually concerned me GREATLY. I question her ethics. She was hired after the divorce specifically for the trial. Enough said. Its a shame to see someone with great credentials be nonobjective and have such a defensive demeanor.
She teaches ethics in University.
@@henrylo3183 and Amber had a child by surrogate.
Yes, Dr Hughes stated she TAUGHT ETHICS classes!! Yikes! 😬
I think she was trying to build rapport with the jury and manipulate their emotions with inflammatory statements, but I agree she came across as biased, defensive, and unlikable. It's 2022 and the gender-biased stereotypes about IPV are irrelevant. The fact that her entire testimony excluded men as the potential victims of IPV just shows how out of touch she is with reality.
I would have tests she has ever administered to be reevaluated. Obviously she is only in it for the money
Nothing screams "I'm a violent partner" than locking yourself in a bathroom to hide.
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Jokes?
@@simonegellie Yes, sarcasm.
@@ccccarriemchardy9216 Sometimes I see on here the utmost level of idiocy, narcissism, psychopathy, that I'm not sure about the replies. Glad you're cool 😅😘
@@simonegellie Yeah I know there's a sick world out there but sometimes I just can't hide in the idiot side of our daily life's comment section.
Dr. Grande, Thank you! That was excellent! Without fear, you analyzed the situation and did not come to your conclusions with bias, unlike the clinicians in the trial. I thank you and I learned something new today!
The tone makes this video so much better. This is such a clear and concise analysis.
I've never seen a more obviously biased presentation. I especially noticed how often she would says things like "Johnny was ALWAYS doing this..." and "Amber NEVER did that..." These are common ways of speaking when people unconsciously want to emphasize and exaggerate certain things. She had the affect of a high schooler telling a story, rather than a professional reporting interaction and analysis of a patient. IT WAS REALLY BAD.
Bare in mind Amber is not trained in the semantics of therapeutic wording.
Most people would say "always & never", even if they certainly know this didn't happen at every second of the day.
yes ! have you ever heard a mental health professional talking this way ? maybe someone you are chatting w at the laundromat, not an "expert" witness in a high profile case
I agree. I was told by a psychiatrist not to say always and never
great observation, I noticed it now that you mentioned it 👍
My military veteran friend who served as a marine in Iraq and watched close friends get brutally killed in front of him as well as the carnage and loss he dealt with as a medic, who I've seen break down in tears on many occasions and gets tremors and terrible anxiety, had an EXTREMELY hard time obtaining any type of PTSD diagnosis, mild or severe. I wonder how offended he is right now!
Amber could fit the diagnosis of CPTSD which is actually very similar to Borderline PD, many traits overlap.
But CPTSD diagnosis isn't recognized in the USA and it's still a baby diagnosis. Some people were getting BPD by default because it was so hard to fit in the umbrella of PTSD and how it's actually formulated.
Wow.
I'm from Iraq and lived through 2 wars. My co worker at the clinic was military vet in Iraq. We kept a distance at work, just to avoid any unknown issues. One day, it was raining so bad outside and a one thunder was so loud, it almost shook the windows. Only me and him had a quick reaction to step away from the windows, which made our co workers giggle (obviously they don't understand PTSD). That moment, me and him looked at teach other and smiled. I told him the sound reminded me of daily bombing, while the same sound reminded him reminded him of the day his group was attacked with car bomb and caused him to partly lose his hearing in one ear. We became friends after that ...
@@miriammanolov9135 I am so sorry that you have gone through so much and are still so affected. It is not easy for people who have not experienced anything similar or known someone who has experienced these things how they can be affected in the long run. It is very sad to be dismissed because others do not get it
@@MP-kv3fo Thank you ❤
Dr. Grande....your videos are SO INSIGHTFUL. Psychology is my special interest & I love your breakdowns/analysis.
Thank you for your analysis especially your comments about PTSD! I have lived with this for 14 years from a devastating car accident along with chronic pain...You can't explain to others how daily incidents can trigger the panic & how it unconsciously controls your emotional & physical behavior!!
When she said it would be redundant to write it in 2 places, I laughed. That is literally the entire medical system. We have to do that to show consistency in information.
Well, most likely this witness only helped Johnny's side, just like Amber's evidence did. 🙈
Actually, in some places, you are not allowed to write in 2 places, as that would be considered to have "shadow notes".
And she said the info was in her 80 pages of handwritten notes... 80 pages of hand written notes?? You could have just put it in the box it was supposed to go in LIKE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO.
@@ashleighburton7273 Well, she is the expert in this, done in for 30 years. There are many reasons why the info would be in her handwritten notes. Sometimes, responses need elaboration and don't fit into the boxes in the standard forms.
@@Tamarahope77 I absolutely agree, and notes are important. Yet a lot of what she was questioned about were boxes that required simply a number. That doesn't require further explanation.
Dr Hughes was very sketchy and angry…didn’t like how she put away her papers away and was selective when giving them to the court.
Thick green folder was put away before Hughes was asked to surrender her notes. Then a blue thin folder was used to give partial documents from.
@Archie Baldwin dream baby haha
@Archie Baldwin what are you smoking?
@Archie Baldwin i hope you are being sarcastic
She was very angry!
As always Dr Grande, thank you for your analysis, education, and "separating the wheat from the chaff". Your discussions on topics are always helpful in understanding psychological topics, especially when it is dealing with professional forensic diagnoses and court opinions. 💖
Dang Dr. G! YOURE AT 1MIL. Congrats, you blew up. I can say I've been here since the humble beginnings and glad to see you grow so much 🤗
“Her behavior was not reactive, it was pro-active.” That says it all.
Allegedly she set up a recording device after a verbal confrontation, invaded his personal space while he was smoking a cigarette, and then yelled into the recording device something to the effect of "PUT YOUR CIGARETTE OUT ON SOMEONE ELSE"
@@djoecav She did. Also, she illegally wire tapped him which I’m unsure why her videos were admissible in court. I assume Mr. Depp consented to the use of these items as evidence.
@@djoecav All bc she put a cigarette out on his cheek in Australia and so she had to create a parallel narrative.
I'm recalling the time he was pleading to put some space between them and she was pleading for him to stay and fight and that's the stress of his wanting to flee was killing her. X fucking scuse me?
Amber quit high school, was arrested at 16 & arrested for hitting girlfriend(charges dropped), lied & had others lie about smuggling dogs into Australia. I think the PTSD is the fear of all her secrets being revealed.
That's narcissistic personality disorder. My mom is a narc, HATES ANYTHING TRUTHFUL THAT IS NEGATIVE TO GET OUT.
Oh my gosh, you are right. Good observation
lol 😂
@@MNcoquicoqui It's the Great Revealing of Truth , that causes us to internally Judge ourselves . PS . My thirst for knowledge can only be quenched by drinking Revelations from the CUP .
@@justmichael6628 Pleae, read about Narcissistic personality disorder. You'll understand better. NPD is a mental illness.
Whoop whoop I have been waiting for this Dr Grande!!!!!! Can’t wait to hear this!!!!!
Considering AH has said the abuse started very early on in their relationship, I disagree that her claiming he was obsessive/controlling etc. before she had “any incentive to lie” is true. I think she orchestrated everything from the start of their relationship. It was like she was gathering ‘evidence’ from the get go in case he ever left her. Taking pictures of him sleeping, taking pictures of drugs and alcohol(like she never did any either), gaslighting him.
I heard audio where she was saying something along the lines of, people won’t believe that I painted bruises on myself and took pictures as evidence and sent them to the right people. It’s on RUclips somewhere, but to me it comes off as her having a bank of fake evidence to prove her delusional narrative. Like she’s trying to blackmail him into staying with her. It’s disturbing.
I think she’s an incredibly dangerous person, and I pity whoever comes into contact with her.
I was diagnosed with PTSD and depression, for years I couldn't do anything, unable to read, exercise, work, not able to focus, avoiding outside world, friends etc , it is upsetting that AH makes a mockery of all of us
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She was diagnosed with a major depressive disorder.
She even used the ACLU to further her goals.
Exactly 💯, I'm in that place now. Used to read a book a night, now can not read more than a page, if that. I too am unable to work, as a lot of days scared to leave the house. Any decisions that I have to make, send my heart racing and my brain goes blank. Even the thought of standing up to someone scares me!
@@koalagirl6138 it gets better, just stay strong
What I found disturbing and offensive in Hughes' testimony which has not been much discussed was her visible contempt toward Dr. Curry's qualifications, instrument choice and interpretation. While Hughes was there to testify on behalf of Heard, it is unprofessional and unbecoming for a psychologist to publicly denigrate another APA member as she did--- or any licensed mental health professional. She might emphasize her specialized qualifications (which do not always mean a better analysis and certainly did not in this case), and disagree with Curry's interpretation, but her disparagement was unjustifiable.
It shows her bias. What I find amazing is that Amber’s assessment checked off almost all of the boxes for PTSD when that is unheard of. And the dr. diagnosed her as having PTSD long before administering the most accurate test for PTSD. I think Johnny’s defence should pound away at that to show how Amber and dr. Hughes manipulated to produce the diagnosis. As this case is a slap in the face of real DV victims, so is it for sufferers of PTSD. It’s disgusting.
When they are doing assessments wronge they should be called out.
Dr. Curry based her opinions off of her examinations, and cleanly explained how and why that process went about.
Dr. Hughes based her examinations on her opinions, and explained how they were established in private interviews behind closed doors.
One is clearly more professional than the other; they aren’t equitable.
The foundation of any scientific approach is objectivity. This strong reliance on the reputation or qualification of experts is disturbing. If the selection and results of tests are not in and of themselves reliable, why would a personal opinion based on individual experiences which are not transparent for the jury be any more reliable?
I would want to see information about what these tests measure, how reliable the measurements are and if it is reasonably possible to fake tests in order to obtain a specific result for these tests. Are there recordings of Heard/Depp answering the tests, is there evidence that they were not trained by their teams to answer so that favourable results are obtained?
In my opinion it is not unbecoming to question a licensed health professional in a court setting. It is insufficient not to question them more thoroughly because too much of their expertise is hard if not impossible to objectify. Even if financial interests would not be an issue, preconceptions always may be. What qualifies a professional to help people might very well be utterly useless to judge their responsibilities. Empathy in practice might be bias in judgement. I don't mean that as critique on the integrity of individuals or a profession, I see this as a systematic problem.
Really? I didn't hear that. What did she say?
As always very interesting and insightful analysis! Thank you !!
It’s hilarious that most mental health clinicians will say “you’re responsible for your own actions” and this lady literally said it’s Johnny’s fault amber is violent, lies, and is aggressive.
As a man who was painfully abused by his partner, I can confirm that something being rare does not mean it is impossible. Surprising, no?
More common than people think. It is satisfying to watch a narcissist exposed and to highlight that this does happen to men.
Hughes must have missed all those truecrime shows where the woman stabs her partner to death because she doesn't like her alimony settlement.
Gee.... didn't Dr. Grande just cover a case like that?
🤗🤗 god bless you, much healing
My brother’s wife had many many red flags regarding her prior behavior toward anyone close to her. Both family and friends knew this. Unfortunately in my very last in-person conversation with my brother, he told me he wished he could have seen the red flags. I hope one day our family can heal from her actions.
I’m sorry that happened to you. No one has the right to purposely hurt another. I hope you are doing well.
I was watching the trial yesterday and was thinking “Can’t wait to hear what Dr. Grande thinks of this…”
Same 😆
Same. Emily D. Baker's chat said it, too.
I'm only watching bits and pieces of the trial...but I subscribed to this youtube channel specifically to Dr. Grande's impression!
Same!
You can't get this kind of turnaround time on anything personal that's for dang sure!
I’ve worked in psych and substance abuse treatment as a nurse in an acute inpatient facility. I listened to Dr. Hughes with an open mind, especially given her credentials and area of expertise. It became glaringly clear that Dr. Hughes was finding what she is familiar with, much like a surgeon sees a surgical need versus other etiologies that may be at play. While Dr. Curry was an opposing expert hired by Depp’s team, her analysis fit the behaviors Amber exhibits that are well-documented by audio, video deposition of Amber, witnesses, and even Amber’s testimony in this trial. Having been on the receiving end of behaviors by patients with BPD in an acute care setting, as well as my own experience in a relationship with an emotionally abusive partner, Dr. Curry’s analysis is very on par with what we’re seeing play out in court.
Exactly. Dr Curry wasn’t biased, she was simply CORRECT.
Thanks for the video analysis Dr, Grande.
I just found it very interesting that she couldn’t outright say “I have never defended a man in the case of IPV, when he’s been in a heterosexual relationship” she always had to frame it as “I’ve defended men!… in male/male relationship”
Depp's lawyers made her bias perfectly clear, but I still wish they would have said, "So, you've never testified on behalf of a man, in a male-female relationship?" - it would have been the final nail in the coffin for her credibility.
Lmao yup because obviously that proves “men” are the perpetrators in her mind.
It was like pulling teeth, and in the end, I still don't think she even realizes that she has this bias. I'd be very curious to know the other cases AH's attorneys have used her for.
She was trying to deceive the court
I agree and I've said the same thing. She is clearly biased. She pretty much called all men abusers, saying that even yelling at your partner could constitute abuse! Seriously? Over the jury is male! She just refused to admit that men are victims. She also accessed him without meeting him..
At least Dr. Curry admitted that she could not testify to Johnny’s diagnoses, or lack there of. She stated that she “did not assess Mr. Depp.”
I found her testimony to be compelling. I admit I’m biased, but if I were on the jury, I honestly think Dr. Curry’s testimony would carry more weight than that of Dr. Hughes.
Yeah I agree, she came off entirely more likeable and presentable and credible all around. She wasn’t gossip mongering or trying to push a particular narrative using nothing more then the self reporting of amber, or using clinician notes from other drs amber self reported to as some sort of corroborating evidence not was dr curry advocating for jd. On top of that she was not adversarial towards amber heard. Sure her testimony was not a good thing for amber heards case or team but she wasn’t presenting her findings which she backed in data and science in some sort of adversarial way the way dr Hughes was attempting. And idk if it’s bad to be biased. Jurors themselves are just regular people. They all have their own different bias as well and for me particularly when I started tuning into this entire case I didn’t have a dog in this fight at all and if anything leaned more towards naturally believing amber heards testimony but now that we are where we are today and with the evidence that has been made public and the different testimony and the demeanor of jd and just everything I am definitely biased towards jd but I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Sure I am biased towards him now but it’s not to the point if some sort of damning evidence were presented that completely contradicted everything up until this point or showed him to be a completely uncredible liar I wouldn’t refuse to believe it because it contradicts the bias I currently have leaning towards believing he’s telling the truth.
But even if we know Dr. Curry was biased towards her client, I would still completely disregard Dr. Hughes' testimony because part of the reason she believes Depp to be the abuser is based on complete stereotypes. That alone is completely unprofessional.
Dr. Hughes violated the ethical guidelines for forensic psychologists.
@@kevinhornbuckle Oh did she? How so?
@@kevinhornbuckle Im interested to know too. Did she use the she/ her in referring to the victim in generalisations? Did she not correct mistakes in her testimony to give a different perception of her? Did she diagnose AH and JD without first assessing? Did speak of events as if she were there? Did she ignore evidence that went against her diagnosis and narrative? Did she form an opinion of the relationship between JD an AH solely on the word of AH and present it as fact? or is it because Curry had an interview at JDs house to be vetted for her professionality which she sought council for before she attended? I dont see what ethical guidelines she broke compared to Dr Hughes who seems to be a feminist and believes that only women can be the victims and gives passionate testimony to the jury and false information while under oath and reads from a script in court, which she is not allowed to do. Hughes's entire testimony was hearsay and bias. Curry's was professional and spoken matter of fact to the data gathered, all of it, and was clear to her role and scope. So I am interested to hear how Dr Curry broke ethical guidelines for forensic psychologists.
Thanks Todd, you have a great mind and explain everything ever so well, most appreciated.
Wow, great analysis Dr. Grande!
It was so strange. She seemed so personally invested. I kept forgetting she was actually an expert witness 😮
Her “testimony” played out more like a gossipy friend’s eye witness testimony. Can’t believe this woman is considered to be a professional.
It’s probably projection.
Emily Baker had me rolling when she was talking like a valley girl, saying dr. Hughes was just repeating gossip that was relayed to her.
I think the ACLU is paying her to avoid Johnny suing them next.
She can remember very word from her last lecture but has to use notes on the witness stand. not worth $500/hr.
lol I’ve been waiting to hear your analysis of her testimony! As usual, I didn’t have to wait long. Rock on, Grande.
@@genacrooker8701 they have been asking many times. It’s a thing that should be done through the any big trial as strategy
I saw Dr Grande's name come up in the chat in Emily Baker's Channel today just waiting for this moment.
Amber said Johnny was jealous and controlling… BUT it’s been proven Amber slept with her Aquaman co-star AND Was dating Elon Musk when she was still married to Johnny? I’m at a wash. She’s cheating and he caught on and got angry and that made him abusive? But because Amber was off put she reacted violently- but that makes her reacting to PSTD but not an abuser? Seems biased to me. Idk who is right or wrong, but that doesn’t sound right.
@@genacrooker8701 It means they are very desperate.
@@sweetpea9347 he was never abusive though. They are claiming he beat her and it’s obvious that never happened. She’s been caught in multiple lies too, so it’s a bit more than a “wash” to me.. He got angry about the affairs and said mean things about them, but that’s not abuse. She lied and slandered him multiple times, proven throughout this. They’re just reading her allegations as fact, though they don’t match any of the evidence, so far. In fact multiple people, including professional law enforcement testified they never saw the injuries she was claiming. It’s obvious she just hammed things up for the recordings. She actually had this story about how she had mastered this specific concealer and carried it around all during their relationship, and that’s why her story doesn’t match anyone else’s memories. The bruises she “photographed” didn’t exist in the days leading up to taking them, when she she hadn’t even seen Johnny. They just appeared for those photos. Turned out she was lying about about that specific product she’d “mastered” to quickly conceal them, her excuse why nobody else saw them. The product she wanted to demonstrate that could cover up any bruises quickly wasn’t even out then and the company never provided her with it before it was released, either. So that little strategy got memory holed.. On to team Heard flinging the next random accusation I guess.
Wow. Thank you. I was hoping to hear your analysis of this topic. Wow!
Fabulous analysis. I am humbled by your insight.
I am a therapist, and her testimony was not coming from an objective 'evaluation'. this lady went onto adding 'hearsay' opinions. minimizing her childhood trauma, and emphasizing DV for her PTSD. also one of the tests used can be manipulated, not detect malingering.
Not to mention, this was AFTER the exam by Dr Curry so I'm sure she went back and got coaching on how to appropriately answer the questions.
Every test can be manipulated. Most of them quite easily.
6 of the 12 she mentioned can be manipulated without a control.. she friggin listed Beck's inventory as a test she gave.. my pepsi came out my nose when she said that..
@@dd9911 Beck's inventory is probably just thrown in as a standard measure regardless of what one is testing for, even in neurocognitive assessments, just to have some measure of her mood.
These tests don't have controls. Some have validity scales to detect malingering or feigning. Apparently Amber did not score highly for them, except for defensiveness scale on the MMPI, which gave a normal score but could technically be disregarded because of the high defensiveness score. So the result of the MMPI from Dr Curry could be useless but you would have to be the one doing the test to interpret that.
@@Tamarahope77 Im aware of its overuse, and test fatigue.
I would not use a "standard" (by standard I mean widely over used measurement, for day to day practice/tx planning etc) assessment with a client with such a background, for the purposes surrounding this case, especially under the guise of "forensic psychology". It would not tell me anything her hx hasnt & would likely taint any data that could be given from its use.
I felt like her use of "12 test" was some flex and it was a joke for anyone in this profession.
One thing seems certain: He wants to leave her , she wants him to stay. I was abused and my desire was to run away and never see him again.
Well stated. Great points. Thank you Dr Todd Grande
Came across you by chance. You are brilliant! So concise and clear in your analysis of both Hughes and Curry. They should engage you to do the analysis and use it in court.
I’m SO glad Dr. Curry stayed in the courtroom to listen to this other doctors testimony and assist Johnnys team with questions and her input on Cross of Dr. Hughes.
I did not know that. That's great.
the level of gaslighting is insane
"we have evidence of her abusing johnny"
"yes, evidence that he abused her so much she defended herself before he could act"
Snap, yo.
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Jist imagine if it were the otheir eay around, that she was a men and he was a women? Imagine that defense
@@tatjanatodorovic7359 omg so true
@@tatjanatodorovic7359 don’t fool yourself, it depends on what the man does for a living, who he knows or where he works. There are always exceptions , especially when it comes to the law!!! This is not an opinion, this is a fact! However, in this case, it’s obvious who the REAL victim is!! Let’s see how it turns out in the end ! …..
She is doing a great disservice to the doctorate community, and harming all survivors of abuse.
Brilliant analysis!! Thank you!!
I was in an abusive marriage for 17 years. One that included physical, mental and sexual violence. I escaped with nothing but my kids and my life. I didn’t even have shoes on my feet. I had a moment of opportunity and bolted. Drove from Miami to Austin without stopping. Barefoot all the way. My kids and I had nothing. Zero. No money. He controlled everything. If he wanted he could have filed charges on me for taking the car (his name) and our kids without his permission. I did everything to try to be perfect around him. Bc I didn’t want to be hurt again. Amber reads false to me. Johnny reads true.
Me too!
I couldn’t imagine calling my ex a “Fxcking Pxssy!” (as heard on the tape) I would have been killed ☠️
A violent abuser, as she is describing would never have put up with the way she treated him. 🤔🤔🤔
Totally agree! Now, this is just my opinion and how I feel about sharing my trauma, but I don’t just open up and allow myself to be completely vulnerable. I share my trauma with close friends and family, or somebody I feel I’m safe with, like a therapist. And even then, it’s sometimes difficult to just break down cry like AH did.
I definitely can’t just open up and be vulnerable, and share my trauma with a room FULL of strangers; definitely not with the all of the world that may be watching. Survivors typically want to be strong, and not viewed as a victim. I didn’t find this to be the case with AH. I also can’t look several people in their eyes, while or after, I recall the Abuse. I sure as hell don’t want to look anybody in the eyes when I have to recall the sexual abuse. No way!!!!
I’m not believing Amber Heard.
I'm so sorry that you and your children had to live through that nightmare, but I'm so grateful you did just that - LIVE! I'm so glad you're all safe now. May God bless you and be with you forever, and may He wrap His loving arms around you and make your life a sweet, beautiful one until the day He calls you Home.
@@lauriedavidson4953 thank you so very much. 💜💜💜
@@paulacerjak1516 exactly. There are many parts that I still can’t talk about without a panic attack. And I left in 2013. I had a flashback hit me out of the blue last month and it was so scary bc in my head I was right back in the moment. It took my older daughter and husband (remarried to the best man ever) holding me for 2 hours to get through it. And I have pretty solid walls. But it sneaks up on you. You don’t talk about it to any and everyone. Exactly what you said.
Yes! She was trying to manipulate the jury. She was definitely biased and in Ambers side- she displayed passion and was animated while testifying. It was easily visible
@mike severino true, men *can* be more aggressive but in this case Heard was both more aggressive and manipulative though.. It wasn’t just some two-sided bad relationship. One side was aggressive, manipulative and outright toxic. The other appeared to be reacting to her manipulation, and actually kept his cool way more than most would, facing that. So what if he partied too?
@@aalvarez2914 exactly!! And I just don’t understand how his partying or even his drug use have anything to do with anything. Or doesn’t excuse abuse. You can be an addict and not deserve to be abused
@@aalvarez2914 I'm a survivor and listening to Amber, it just felt hollow, when Johnny Depp testified I felt as I did in my abusive relationship, I believe Johnny, not only because he has the witnesses that did not see or hear of abuse by JD, yes, he yelled and called her names and I remember when I was in similar circumstances, I did the same, as the manipulation and the down right lies, were so awful. I used some of the same words and my texts to him were horrid, I felt I was up against a wall and so uncomfortable I reacted by yelling and cursing
She must be sexually deprived and hates men when saying these disgusting things. Sounds like she was talking about her own desires.
According to HG Tudor, People diagnosed with borderline personality disorder are misdiagnosed and often have PTSD instead . If you remove all the stressors and those symptoms still remain, what you’re dealing with is a narcissist, someone with NPD, but we have a gender bias and don’t label women borderline or narcissists and the label histrionic is also deemed to be sexist.
So the next DSM will not have those labels, they will be subcategories of narcissist personality disorder.
She’s a narcissist through and through. But there are several different schools and cadres of narcissist personality disorder.
Dr. Grande, I really appreciate your perspective in this video! In my opinion this entire debacle as an example of what it looks like to see crazy fighting crazy. The unfortunate part of all of this is none of us will ever unsee what we saw. The collateral damage to both of them will never pan out. How much better to take the highroad reestablishing your credibility in a respectable way. But we all love a good train wreck right….
Your conclusion is spot on and must be sobering for anyone in either camp.
Bottom line is, Amber has a prior domestic case from a girlfriend before JD. She has a history of Domestic Abuse. There is video of her sister and friends talking about abuse she had done to her own sister. I wonder if they can use this as evidence in this trial?
Exactly this, but it was her ex wife not girlfriend. And in the days you try to lie and say the police officer targeted her because she was in the same sex marriage not knowing the police officer was a lesbian. Her lies have no boundaries.
They both have skeletons in their closets . Let's not be bias in pointing out just one side . It's knowing both sides that gives us the greater whole truth .
@@justmichael6628 I am waiting to see any tangible proof from independent witnesses or law enforcement that Depp ever laid a hand on her, so far there is none.
@@tazzie2shoos Yes " We must wait as the Observer .
In my mind Amber opened the door to this evidence during her testimony today when she said something to the effect of "you are never supposed to hit anyone ever"
Dr Hughes seemed to want to believe that she was actually a friend of AH. it was interesting how she would never look at JD until she heard the tape of him being abused by her.
I noticed that as well, it was almost like a shadow of doubt crossed her face… for a moment she looked confused or surprised.
That almost fits Dr. Currie's diagnoses. Amber flirts with and attempts to charm anyone she meets, if they can be of benefit to her agenda. Sounds like Dr. Hughes got sucked in by her patient.
But hadn't she heard all the tapes? Or maybe only the one's AH chose for her?
That is normal for People with borderline.
They try to manipulate the therapist to feel sorry for them I want to help them by being there friend.
Also testimonies of people getting out of relationships with psychopaths or borderline Have the same symptoms.
But there’s no focus on this and that up to 8% of the population mostly women have borderline.
Up to 4% of the population I categorized a psychopath mostly men.
Conclusion a lot of domestic violence is being done by women. Portraying to be the victim. Also A normal Reaction For people with borderline.
@@srenlund9803 not all people with borderline are abusive in relationships.
I enjoy your clear and concise way of presenting your findings. In a world where right is wrong and wrong is right, it's nice to hear from a straight shooter.
Awesome commentary. Thanks Dr. Grande.
The bias in Hughe's testimony stunk to high heaven. What made her go into this line of work? Was she a victim herself, or the child of a victim? She sounded like she has unresolved issues herself.
She had classic alcohol face too. Very angry Karen type.
Possibly or a full pledge misandrist
Well observed and said
@@user-lk1qx7gb5o This! Exactly this! You nailed it! Verry angry and verry Karen like. Full of hate’
She's probably a feminist. To them, men =bad, woman=good
At least Dr. Curry filled out the questionnaire answers. Dr Hughes left answers blank because she said she already knew the answers. And Dr. Hughes placed judgements on JD without even meeting him. She dismissed reports that didn't agree with her diagnosis. Dr. Curry is more professional in my opinion.
Just wait for when curry get back on the stand. She was there watch this doctor
That’s exactly what they were trying to show on cross: that she was sloppy in her work because she already had a predetermined outcome. Johnny Depp’s lawyers made some good points on cross-examination…although some of it may have been lost on the jury because he took so long to get to those points. Wish I could be a fly on the wall when the jury deliberates this case!!
@@lalalalalalee6311 I don't think I could stand it! I have to TALK! So glad yall are here, phew!
Thank you for providing a calm analysis. There are so many loud, obnoxious analysts out there who are hard to watch/listen to.
Dear Dr. Grande, Thank you for your analysis. I didn't understand why this doctor's testimony was difficult for me to believe. Everything you said in this vid brought clarity so that I could assess better.
The bias was so obvious. She must’ve done Amber more harm than good with her testimony. Bad move defense.
It fascinates me that this is what they came out of the gate with. Dr. Hughes unprofessional aspersions followed by what has been called the greatest performance of her career, Amber Heard. Is that all they've got?
Agreed
I would agree, she disregards the childhood abuse. I can hardly imagine abuse being more traumatizing as an adult like Dr Grande stated than it happening as a child.
I agree!! I think her attorneys shot themselves in the foot with this one!
Yes, I was also thinking that she can't be of much help. She might be good at what she does, but Depp's expert was simpy more sympathetic and unfortunately that matters. (I believe Amber is lying about most of this, but I don't think it should matter who comes across as sympathetic. Facts matter).
10:39 As a LPC, I completely agree with this one! I can't determine what actually happened, and can offer support for my patient to overcome their challenges. It did bother me that she would make sweeping claims of truthfulness while only doing evaluations and be forgetful on certain details. There was way too much bias that makes me question her expertise in her testimony.
Question her ethics! Without ethical compliance, there is no expertise.
A's Dr has to examine J, since she implicate J as the abusive. Put her as a judge, without allowing J defense, as she already make the conclusion. The whole world will be in chaos. A's Dr is not a credible witness. The aqua princess fail to defeat jack sparrow acting ability.
As usual..an excellent analysis .Thank you Doc.One thing is clear ,love and hate are divided by a very thin line in some cases.
Dr. Hughes was asked many general questions (not related to case), yet she always referred to victim as she, abuser as he.
When cross examined she just lied.
I find it hard to believe she could come to her conclusions without ever having interviewed Johnny
This is what has happened with all of the counseling professionals in the live of these 2 people...AH spun vivid stories and none checked w/JD to reality test the narrative.
She’s a man hating hitwoman… believe it. AWAW
There was no testing done here, Amber spun the narrative she wanted and Dawn Hughes ran with it like it was gospel. Criminal
She has been caught switching papers when asked to give the “ script “ she was reading from. I saw it as others did checkout Tick tick or Popcorn channel. She gave them papers of the tests but NOT what she had been reading from.She is a “for hire” witness and makes bank doing it.
I saw it too. She also argued not to hand her folder of notes over to Johnny's team for review until the judge ordered her to.
She has to keep copies. The judge mentioned she had to hand copies to each side so she could keep her original notes. Whiles it’s absolutely possible that she swapped her notes, it would be such a bold move that it’s doubtful to me at least. Hate her though, and I’m so glad she’s off the damn stand lol
@@alaskaroller2192 Fair, but she did not give them the papers she was looking at. The idea was that they would make copies and give her back the originals. Why be dishonest of she has nothing to hide? As a medical doctor I think she is highly unethical
They clearly go above and beyond, can't help cheating where everyone can see
She acted like was paid to defend Amber
excellent analysis -- as always :)
I'm glad you jumped on this
Oh my, Dr Grande , if only they had asked you to testify.
How do you accuse someone of abuse and then say you’ve never met them?
Hughes and Heard have the same look ; haughty, nose in the air.
Thank you and please keep us informed!
Yeah how animated Dr Karen got the moment she was dishing the tea on Johnny, and how she remembered every thing in so much detail, as opposed to constantly having to check her notes on her actual JOB, certainly stood out for me.
I like how you always make the effort to keep your voice calm and consistent. Everyone with an opinion these days seems to scream it. It’s nice to hear someone with an opinion speak with reserve
Thank you for giving such somber analysis. I feel everybody is going overboard when talking about this case.