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  • @CynicalHistorian
    @CynicalHistorian  4 года назад +40

    Thanks for watching, and please consider supporting the channel by buying merch: teespring.com/stores/the-cynical-historian
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    See following replies for corrections and additional info, but first, here are some related videos to check the previous lecture:
    ruclips.net/video/hQZSAbiK2Cs/видео.html

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  4 года назад +3

      *[reserved for errata]*

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  4 года назад +4

      *References*
      This is a lecture, so there aren't references. But here is the textbook I assign: www.americanyawp.com/text/25-the-cold-war/
      Though if students attend class, they don't need to read the textbook. What I require them to read are primary sources, which are as follows:
      Harry S Truman, Speech to Congress on the Truman Doctrine, 12 March 1947, www.americanyawp.com/reader/25-the-cold-war/the-truman-doctrine-1947/
      Joseph McCarthy on Communism (1950), www.americanyawp.com/reader/25-the-cold-war/joseph-mccarthy-on-communism-1950/
      And here are some further readings, if you'd like some secondary sources:
      Donald Davis and Eugene Trany, _The First Cold War: The Legacy of Woodrow Wilson in U.S.-Soviet Relations_ (Columbia: University of Missouri Press, 2002). amzn.to/2OpXxwg
      Kathryn Olmsted, _Real Enemies: Conspiracy Theories and American Democracy, World War I to 9/11_ (Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press, 2009). amzn.to/2unDgjI
      Alexei Yurchak, _Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation_ (Princeton, N.Jer.: Princeton University Press, 2006). amzn.to/2J2h96T

    • @washikaafrozi1469
      @washikaafrozi1469 4 года назад

      What 2 days ago?!?!?!?! This video was made an hour ago not 2 days.

    • @andreaslaroi8956
      @andreaslaroi8956 4 года назад +1

      ​@@washikaafrozi1469 Good Historians are obviously able to time travel. How else do you think he knows all this stuff?

    • @drew3021
      @drew3021 4 года назад +1

      You might be the only RUclipsr I know who actually puts his references and links in the comments lol. What do you think would of happened if you're relative General Patton would of invaded Russia ?

  • @RetroRoundupUK
    @RetroRoundupUK 4 года назад +248

    These sort of lectures would be great as a podcast.

  • @Elsenoromniano
    @Elsenoromniano 4 года назад +136

    The part about the Broken arrows reminded me of the Palomares incident, where a b52 crash on the Southern Spanish coast near Gibraltar and detonated (gladly as a dirty bomb, so no horrible fiery death) creating a radioactive plutonium wave. That story is well known by me, because the, by then ministry of turismo in Franco Regime, Manuel Fraga, swam a little as to demonstrate there was no danger. He then lived to 89 years and was in politics almost to the end (he was the founder of the main right wing party in Spain and the President of my region for a very long time). My father always joked that the only things that could survive radiation are cockroaches, rats and Fraga, because he was worse than the two combined.

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 3 года назад +3

      What a madlad.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад

      Wonder what the cancer rates have been round there in the last 50 years? Probably covered up by Franco and successive Spanish and US governments in the name of national security. Like how catalonia's recent democratically held referendum for autonomy was overturned by the military and military police

    • @Elsenoromniano
      @Elsenoromniano 3 года назад +7

      @@StoutProper It is been declassified recently and at least US government knew the health risk but decided no to tell any officials that were dedicated to the cleaning, Same for Spain, with the aggravating that Guardia Civil (Spanish military police) that were sent there didn't even get any protective device (no that the US soldiers got anything useful, just a cotton over shirt). Last year there was a court case that compensated American soldiers, as for Spanish people that were affected. Today will be to late to compensate the people by Spanish legislation because the statue of limitations has passed and the civil responsables are all dead, but yes there are evidence that people in the region have higher incidences of cancer.
      I also have to add that Fraga, when he was president of my region also presided over two of the worst ecological disasters in Spain, the oil spills of the Aegean Sea and The prestige. Both of which were grossly mishandled and minimized and which the compensation was too low or never reached the people it had to reach, if you ever wondered if he learned something from Palomares.

    • @BabuB1
      @BabuB1 Год назад

      @@Elsenoromnianodidnt US military clean it up? I remember learning a little bit about it a few years ago when a headline caught my attention. Had to do with veterans still fighting for special disability benefits 50+ years later due to exposure/cleanup. Which is just crazy. Especially considering like $200 billion of the military budget is for benefit programs /pay.

    • @BabuB1
      @BabuB1 Год назад

      @@Elsenoromnianojust realized how old these comments are lol

  • @AncientAccounts
    @AncientAccounts 4 года назад +152

    "Wanna turn this into a full episode later on"
    Its already 52 mins lol

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  4 года назад +41

      I'm more referring to the visuals. Like these slides just aren't entertaining

    • @AncientAccounts
      @AncientAccounts 4 года назад +11

      @@CynicalHistorian Ah, fair point this does work though at least for me, its like a podcast

    • @markyocum8249
      @markyocum8249 4 года назад +8

      Tbh, he could've spent 50 minutes just on Reagan's two terms...

    • @501ststormtrooper9
      @501ststormtrooper9 3 года назад

      @@markyocum8249 I mean, Minnesota could’ve been nice for Christmas..

    • @lavrentivs9891
      @lavrentivs9891 3 года назад

      Could expand on the uprisings in Eastern Europe during the 40's, 50's, 60's etc. To examplify how diverse the views of communism and socialism was, for example Dubchek's communist reforms in '68 and how even that was seen as a threat by hardliners like Brechnev. Though I can see how that would be a side track from the american focus of the lecture.

  • @Argacyan
    @Argacyan 4 года назад +79

    19:10 One thing to keep in mind for this part imo would be that modern day South Korea is actually the "6th republic" as they went through multiple revisions & fascistic dictatorial periods endorsed by the US. The country still today can be classified as an authoritarian democracy in it's handling of political opposition & especially alleged North Koreans (both self ascribed refugees and also accused).

    • @nicholasleclerc1583
      @nicholasleclerc1583 4 года назад +11

      "fascistic dictatorial periods endorsed by the US"
      Me : * gaaaasp * !!!!

    • @euminkong84
      @euminkong84 3 года назад +7

      They jailed Jehovah's Witness until recently. You are right. Korea is a military state.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад +9

      @@euminkong84 funny that the anti Christian post of the South Korean regime is never publicised in the US

  • @highjumpstudios2384
    @highjumpstudios2384 2 года назад +17

    I remember talking to my friend about the red scare and how much it fucked up a lot of innocent Americans lives. And how if he had been alive then, or adopted these polices today, he would be slandered and jailed for his support of unions.

  • @SolarFlareAmerica
    @SolarFlareAmerica 2 года назад +11

    "A communist dictatorship in the north, and an anti-communist Republic in the south"
    No, it was a pretty fascist dictatorship in the south Korea at the time. Look it up. It's horrible.

    • @LAHFaust
      @LAHFaust 2 года назад +2

      Rhee wasn't a fascist. A totalitarian and fervent anti-communist? Most definitely. A fascist? No. Just because someone is on the right and a totalitarian does not make them a fascist, just like being a totalitarian on the left doesn't make on a communist.

  • @Zen-rw2fz
    @Zen-rw2fz 3 года назад +25

    got to sympathize with the gays, the americans called them communists and the soveits called them bourgeoisie...

    • @Xpwnxage
      @Xpwnxage 2 года назад

      It's like Jews getting kicked out of the Soviet Union for being Capitalists and simultaneously kicked out of Nazi Germany for being called communists.

    • @cjclark2002
      @cjclark2002 2 года назад +2

      Makes no damn sense 😂

    • @timothytietz9194
      @timothytietz9194 Год назад +1

      Except Roy Cohn.

    • @gooran100
      @gooran100 6 месяцев назад

      Well.. the gays were the only people left behind in the concentration camps, when the US & USSR freed the rest

  • @sergeantpanther678
    @sergeantpanther678 4 года назад +132

    “Fiction was created to imagine what such a nuclear apocalypse would look like.”
    Me, a Fallout Fan: I see you’re a man of culture as well

    • @jeffreydudgeon4579
      @jeffreydudgeon4579 3 года назад +6

      War.........war never changes.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад +6

      @@jeffreydudgeon4579 war isn't about who's right, it's about who's left

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад +4

      Ever read the road, or seen the film? Perhaps more accurate, although nowhere near as much fun

    • @sergeantpanther678
      @sergeantpanther678 3 года назад

      @@StoutProper I've heard good things about it both, are they worth watching?

    • @FINNSTIGAT0R
      @FINNSTIGAT0R 3 года назад

      @@StoutProper
      The Road never specifies the nature of the catastrophe. Might be nuclear, might be an asteroid, might be the Yellowstone volcano etc. But yeah, a really good movie. Haven't read the book though, as I'm lazy 😑

  • @pawartur
    @pawartur 4 года назад +18

    Hey, I'm not a historian, but AFAIK, it's still not clear what exactly the Russian atomic spies gave to the Soviet Union and if/how much it was used for the construction of Russian Atomic bomb. Also, it's quite clear that the Soviet Union had some world-class nuclear physicists.

  • @patsfreak
    @patsfreak 4 года назад +65

    This is probably more knowledgeable and cheaper then the history classes I got in college.

  • @wu-ren
    @wu-ren 4 года назад +18

    Very interesting and informative video as always. However, I think your underplayed McArthur's intentions to use nuclear weapons against China. This would bring about yet another bloody World War but even more devastating, since Russia was allied to China and had access to nukes as well. Nuclear conflict must be avoided at all costs, so I agree with McArthur's dismissal, for he seemed like a dedicated warmonger.

  • @MrGamerofmusic
    @MrGamerofmusic Год назад +3

    Kinda ironic that the red scare never really left. It just was the wrong red we were made to worry about. The red that likes to oppress anything that supports blue or anything adjacent to it

  • @Gordozinho
    @Gordozinho 4 года назад +22

    Never really understood the idea of separating Berlin in two, i mean what was it's purpose? The Soviets argued in favor of a neutral and united Germany just like Austria but the allies didn't like the idea which is, again, completly pointless.

    • @alanshadastrokeanddiedinho2897
      @alanshadastrokeanddiedinho2897 4 года назад +4

      All natural resources and materials ,in Germany, were located in the western part of Germany. Far away from Berlin. The United States wanted to keep the Soviets from that area. Stalin didn't like this plan so he blockade Berlin.
      More on the cold war from a Soviet perspective see Vicki 1999 on RUclips.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад +4

      Pretty sure it was spilt into 4 zones originally, US, British, French and Russian

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад +5

      @@alanshadastrokeanddiedinho2897 the Russians were nice enough to wait in Berlin for the US when they won the race to get there rather than push further east

    • @franciscomap75
      @franciscomap75 2 года назад

      @@StoutProper but the Americans bound by treaty to not enter Berlin as it was supposed to be taken by the Soviets.
      The western allies waited 45 kilometers from Berlin and were not allowed to help.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 2 года назад

      @@franciscomap75 the Russians were there weeks before the allies, they were kicking back relaxing by the time they showed up

  • @dstinnettmusic
    @dstinnettmusic 4 года назад +36

    I just love the idea that the US literally was almost a union controlled syndicalist state but then the wealthy landowners staged a political counter revolution and literally nobody talks about it this way.
    The United States didn’t have concentration camps because they didn’t need them. We just genocided peoples’ reputations and careers. The United States made the tactics of organizing that almost led to the syndicalist revolution possible illegal too.
    (Also the US had concentration camps for leftists. It was one of the things that gave Roosevelt’s administration the idea in WW2, they just didn’t have death camps.)
    And again. Nobody talks about it that way. They act like capital wasn’t running afraid of the fact that workers were gaining power. They act like it was just a nationalism that drove people to attack communists in Hollywood and the media and not a coordinated attack on the left.
    And we wonder why we live in the oligarchy we have today, it’s because the United States sold itself out because it was afraid of that old Spector.

    • @dstinnettmusic
      @dstinnettmusic 4 года назад +2

      Scott B I mean, those are all negative things but they aren’t concentration camps in the sense that people actually use that term.

    • @maxwelljarowey2612
      @maxwelljarowey2612 4 года назад +2

      Anti union political did not happen until the late 70s as an result of deregulation to help the flattening economy it was still a bad idea but it was not like you think it was

  • @allendean9807
    @allendean9807 3 года назад +14

    I think it’d be really cool to take your course. So few Americans have a clear grasp on the history of our world, and our nation.

  • @yousuck785why
    @yousuck785why 4 года назад +102

    We are having our own stupid red scare in the Philippines. Stay safe and sound. support from the Philippines

    • @alexandrub8786
      @alexandrub8786 4 года назад +16

      Oh yes. The libertarians(and ancaps) call your leader the new Augusto Pinnoche(free helicopter rides) on what i remember,and call him based and such. A bunch of weirdos,but fun to lisen to.

    • @suspicioususer
      @suspicioususer 4 года назад +5

      Aren't there actual communist guerrillas there

    • @yousuck785why
      @yousuck785why 4 года назад

      Brandon Michaels yup

    • @CleanupKrew7
      @CleanupKrew7 4 года назад +24

      @@suspicioususer I mean, considering the Philippines has a leader who encourages killing drug addicts in mass, I hope those Marxist rebels succeed.

    • @eduardovillicana8509
      @eduardovillicana8509 3 года назад +3

      @@CleanupKrew7 "Better Dead than Red". Support from the USA

  • @nemrody7828
    @nemrody7828 3 года назад +5

    5:25 Turkey wasn't in a communist civil war in the late 40s. Turkey never had a full blown civil war (unless you count the kurd conflict, i'm not getting into that). The worst Turkey had to deal with in the 20th century was communist protests in the 70s which were crushed by far right militias or the police

  • @mishapurser7542
    @mishapurser7542 3 года назад +10

    I'm supposed to be taking a break from studies today. Now I'm watching a lecture on YT instead XD

  • @rangergxi
    @rangergxi 4 года назад +34

    Just in time for the re-release of Command and Conquer: Red Alert 1. Nice.

    • @obelic71
      @obelic71 3 года назад +2

      Wo doesn't love tesla coils

    • @klarstrup
      @klarstrup 3 года назад

      I always thought it was funny that in the Hitler-less timeline Germany somehow became a US ally

    • @2007Shockwave
      @2007Shockwave 3 года назад

      I'll just get ready to headbang to "Hell March" XD

  • @madis_l9578
    @madis_l9578 4 года назад +16

    As person born and lived USSR occupied Estonia (then real USSR in any practical sense) I find this video Quite weird. Maybe You need to be far from real stuff to have idea, that Communism is somehow better than other totalitarian ideologies. CIA sure wasn't perfect, but idea fighting communism was IMHO mostly noble.

    • @differentialequation9471
      @differentialequation9471 4 года назад +3

      Are you certain it is not Russian Imperialism you are talking there?

    • @madis_l9578
      @madis_l9578 4 года назад +3

      ​@@differentialequation9471 Sure, at some part of it. USSR was indeed just another name Russian Empire, but communist regime didn't make it anyhow better, only worse.

    • @differentialequation9471
      @differentialequation9471 4 года назад +2

      @@madis_l9578 Well, Vietnam and China do not have much of a problem and their communism is more of a form of nationalism.

    • @madis_l9578
      @madis_l9578 4 года назад +3

      @@differentialequation9471 As we all know from XX century left wing ideology (socialism) + nationalism is dangerous mix, if applied to large enough population. I don't know about Vietnam, but China sure has its concentration camps...

    • @robertbailey4243
      @robertbailey4243 4 года назад +4

      Im a socialist living in the United states, but I can say though, strong sense of nationalism incorporated into any ideology leads to disaster and authoritarianism

  • @SuperSupper2
    @SuperSupper2 9 месяцев назад +2

    While America claimed to be fighting for "democracy", there are democratic ways of using communism. What America was actually fighting for was *capitalism*

  • @crazeelazee7524
    @crazeelazee7524 3 года назад +7

    The video keeps bringing up the Molotov Ribbentrop pact as simply a non aggression agreement. However it was much more than that. Just like the Yalta conference, it was secretly an agreement on how to divide the conquered territories (most famously how Poland was to be split) and not mentioning that part is a massive oversight. People don't bring up the non aggression part as proof that the Soviets weren't that different from the nazis, they also had a non aggression pact with Japan but I've never heard anyone claim that Japan and the USSR were similar. It's those secret plans that are, rightfully, brought up when mentioning the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.

  • @leileijoker8465
    @leileijoker8465 4 года назад +7

    Establishing relationship with China might helped defeating the Soviets, but it planted seeds for the second cold war. And it's starting now.

    • @christianweibrecht6555
      @christianweibrecht6555 4 года назад +4

      to me its funny how china a communist country is now very powerful by becoming in some way more capitalistic than us

    • @leileijoker8465
      @leileijoker8465 4 года назад +5

      @@christianweibrecht6555 no it's not more capitalist in any way. Private companies over certain size in China must have a party committee. All successful business people in China have deep party connections. They're not communist anymore for sure. But the Chinese state has more control over it's economy than any free market country.

    • @adamtrott78
      @adamtrott78 4 года назад +8

      Luther Dai
      Capitalism ≠ free markets, they have authoritarian capitalism, closer to a type of corporatism, similar, but not the exact same as the fascist economic system.
      I’d say it’s about as capitalist as the US, but it is also a command economy, which makes it more efficient capitalism than the US

    • @leileijoker8465
      @leileijoker8465 4 года назад +6

      @@adamtrott78 you wouldn't say Chinese economy is more efficient if you ever lived there lol. With the exception of a few coastal cities that host majority of the world's manufacturing, the rest of the Chinese economy is pretty much a lie. Local government build useless infrastructure and empty apartment blocks to claim GDP growth. And the central government in Beijing would fluctuate that number by another 10-30%. It's not more efficient, it's just the government can fake all the numbers.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад

      @@leileijoker8465 wait, so you mean that's no connections whatsoever between us government, Wall Street and big corporates? I never knew

  • @AmBotanischenGarten
    @AmBotanischenGarten 3 года назад +7

    This should be a popular college course from the Civil War to the continuing Civil Rights conflict.

  • @KuariThunderclaw
    @KuariThunderclaw Год назад +2

    17:30 This is way too relevant to modern day politics still...

  • @NotoriousLightning
    @NotoriousLightning 2 года назад +2

    Say what you will about The Soviet Union, but they had the best national anthem in the world.

  • @greg_mca
    @greg_mca 4 года назад +18

    Wasn't the Tehran conference in 1943, where they celebrated Churchill's 69th birthday? It also sounds kinda abrupt to me to jump into the Berlin airlift without the backdrop of west Germany, or the moon landings without the space race. I guess the constraints have to be drawn somewhere though. Good lecture btw

    • @visassess8607
      @visassess8607 2 года назад +1

      Yeah he doesn't have unlimited time so he covered the main events of the Cold War.

  • @clayfoster8234
    @clayfoster8234 3 года назад +3

    Technical quibble on how a hydrogen bomb works: the fusion stage actually contributes very little as a percentage to the bombs overall yield. Owing to the fact that fission reactions release much much more energy than a fusion reaction. What it does do though is created an enormous amount of free neutrons that can then kick off a second, substantially larger, fission reaction. TL;DR Thermonuclear weapons are a three stage fission/fusion/fission device.

  • @redcapetimetraveler7688
    @redcapetimetraveler7688 4 года назад +7

    2:00 "origins" what about the old anglo-russian rivalry: crimean war ( ukraine as the stake till the 2010's and now) and great game ( Afghan wars from 19th century to 2020) those areas have been contested zones of influence for 200 years for now...
    i see also there an old english pattern against revolutions in Europe and beyond. the USA also has the same defiance toward revolutions despite being born from one, interventions of US troops against rebelions , exhaustive list impossible after silver core's invasion of venezuela in 2020).

    • @alexandrub8786
      @alexandrub8786 4 года назад

      They didn't interven in the italian referendum to get the king out? I think they are only extremists,not anti-monarchist but pro-republicanists.

    • @redcapetimetraveler7688
      @redcapetimetraveler7688 4 года назад

      @@alexandrub8786 , it works for the Americans not the Brits..but i agree the Americans are proud of their republicanism and excert all their might to impose it.

    • @redcapetimetraveler7688
      @redcapetimetraveler7688 4 года назад +1

      @@tiggergolah , that makes sens and explains the american civil war too...it's only when compromises failed that the south rebelled to build its own government instead of changing the common one , American are deeply conserative...that echoes with the comparisons of political spectrums with other westerners' nations :look at the next presidentials Biden versus Trump : you need an acrobate like walking on a string to reach the differences between them.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад

      @@tiggergolah this comment seems suddenly particularly poignant

    • @cjclark2002
      @cjclark2002 2 года назад

      @@StoutProper what did his comment say? it’s been removed by the censor natzis

  • @Rattrap007
    @Rattrap007 4 года назад +4

    Would love to see your Based on a True Story on Ed Wood. Can the Cynical Historian handle the shocking tale of Edward D. Wood Jr?

  • @ausis6214
    @ausis6214 Год назад +1

    My gosh, that graphic during the McCarthyism section shares a lot with the fear mongering today, especially the Polio Serum section.

  • @samstuff8554
    @samstuff8554 3 года назад +3

    " young senator named Richard Nixon " defiantly wants expecting that

  • @Anglo_Saxon1
    @Anglo_Saxon1 Год назад +1

    The U.S. AND the RAF were doing the airlifts over to Berlin.Not just US.

  • @murmanpoet
    @murmanpoet 2 года назад +2

    Great video. Just one minor point. The area in Korea that was not over run by the north was called the Busan/Pusan Perimeter, named for the city of the same name. I wouldn't say the US intervened after the Busan Perimeter, the US was already there. I forget the name of the book but there's a 700-800 page book about the Korean War that has US soldier accounts of fighting at the perimeter and how they just barely held on. Thanks for making this video.

  • @jasonc0065
    @jasonc0065 3 года назад +1

    The CIA did the same thing in the Congo. That was a step back for the civil rights movement.

  • @concept5631
    @concept5631 3 года назад +2

    I just noticed that you put the RUclips logo on the USSR flag rather than the actual communist symbol.
    This greatly amuses me.

  • @Aderask
    @Aderask 4 года назад +5

    You should do a historical review on the film "Men Behind the Sun". It's a very graphic film about the events that took place at Unit 731 and I've been trying to fact check the film's accuracy and most of it seems spot on with a few minor inaccuracies, but I'd rather see a more experienced historian review it.

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад

      What's unit 731? Manhatton project nuclear testing site?

    • @Aderask
      @Aderask 3 года назад +1

      @@StoutProper Japanese weapons testing team. They tested weapons on Chinese inmates

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 2 года назад

      Since the japanese destroyed so much evidence and the rest was manipulated by the soviets and CCP theres depressingly little about Unit 731 in western media or documentaries, especially since the US government made use of what little information there was so even that is rather murky and fragmented. There needs to be more about it in media like this

  • @racewiththefalcons1
    @racewiththefalcons1 3 года назад +2

    McCarthy may not have had a real list...but across the pond, George Orwell did (look up Orwell's List). Yes, _that_ George Orwell.

  • @TheyTalkOnline
    @TheyTalkOnline 4 года назад +7

    In "Molotov/Rippentrop pact" Soviet Union and The Third Reich agreed how to divide Eastern Europe + Finland amongst these two nations. Poland suffered first with Nazi and Soviet occupation. This pact launched WWII in Europe. Thanks Stalin and Hitler.

  • @shadowguy321
    @shadowguy321 2 года назад +1

    You know, you're saying that the Cold War could be argued to have started in 1918, and it's difficult to say with certainty when the Cold War started. I'd also argue it might be difficult to say when it truly ended based on modern day events. One could say that it temporarily paused. Yes there are no Soviets anymore, officially, nevertheless the Russian Federation is arguably carrying some old Soviet-era thinking into the current political climate

  • @grantbonar4182
    @grantbonar4182 4 года назад +4

    Is it possible for you to do a review of “The Last Full Measure”

  • @Lexicommonzero
    @Lexicommonzero 4 года назад +3

    Anyone else not having this show up in notifications and subscriptions?

  • @sad-qy7jz
    @sad-qy7jz 3 года назад +1

    Do you teach high school or college? I know in high school (despite going to a very well funded, one of the best in my state, high schools) my education about the Cold War, communism and the Red Scare was absolute garbage. Like my definition of Communism for APUSH was literally something to the extent of “where everyone gets paid the same, and does a job the government needs and they divy up the money and give it to everyone, but a doctor would be paid the same as a farmer”, while making the mistake of throwing a bunch of Karl clip art on the presentation with “classless moneyless society” quote being somewhere and creating a lot of confusion. Yikes. Either way it’s good to see an accurate retelling of history and understanding look of what happened without pushing a malfactual agenda . Very good video !

  • @Vampwatch1462
    @Vampwatch1462 4 года назад +4

    I think you would be a great history professor!

  • @BradyPostma
    @BradyPostma 4 года назад +4

    What do you think about the idea of history RUclipsrs organizing a peer review process? What would that need to entail in order to garner the respect of the scholarly community?

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  4 года назад +12

      We simply don't have the time to have peer review on RUclips. Also with so few qualified historians on the platform would make it anonymizing the process next to impossible

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma 2 года назад +2

      @Je suis Achmed The point of peer review is to distinguish the crap that is mainstream on RUclips from a select class of valuable, verified information. The fact that valuable, verified information is treated as equal with obvious lies is the problem in search of a solution. The fact that the problem exists is not an argument against any particular solution.

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 2 года назад +1

      RUclips isnt a source of information so much as a dissemination platform. They dont really need to peer review it since reputable channels source their info from peer reviewed sources and usually share their sources.
      I DO wish RUclips would do more to investigate and take down disinformation though. There are too many pseudoscience channels and psuedohistory channels.
      Not worth removing so long as they're factually correct but there are also WAY too many channels on RUclips have blatant biases and slant their videos to align with those biases. Even in history channels you'll see people carefully cherry picking stories and omitting important facts if it may hurt those they're biased in favor of rather then telling whole stories. Biases are bad but not always worth removing videos over so long as they're not peddling outright lies, but they should show up lower in the algorithms.

  • @Tansea
    @Tansea 3 года назад +2

    Do you really, based on primary source material, think the USSR collapsed in on it self?

  • @vellinghem2187
    @vellinghem2187 3 года назад +2

    “when the button is pushed, there’s no running away” - Eves of Destruction.
    Nice to hear those lyrics referenced man.

  • @sigmascrub
    @sigmascrub 3 года назад +4

    Huh. Turns out CPUSA was a tankie hellhole from the start

  • @MultiTrollface999
    @MultiTrollface999 Год назад +1

    socialism is whe the govt does stuff

  • @mylesmwalkerjr
    @mylesmwalkerjr 4 года назад +2

    Thanks now I have something to put me to sleep. Love your vids by the way

  • @Travilss
    @Travilss 3 года назад +1

    I wonder what McCarthy would think of AOC or sanders

  • @Preedx2
    @Preedx2 4 года назад +9

    7:45 Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was about more than just non-aggression. It was direct reaction to earlier talks where GB and France tried to convince USSR to guarantee independence of Poland and the Baltic States. Soviets instead started talks with Germans.
    In the secret portion of the pact USSR and Reich divided eastern Europe into spheres of influences and opened up possibilities to later talks, with plans on joined war on Poland.
    Pact was supplemented in late September 1939 with German-Soviet border treaty, which decided on borders between those two countries after polish defeat and opened up later cooperation between those countries, like Gestapo-NKVD conferences and tightening economic ties between those two powers
    I really enjoy those longer, lecture videos, and hope that you'll put out more of them in the future (if they take less time to make than regular content, wouldn't want to miss out on your regular videos :) )

    • @alexandrub8786
      @alexandrub8786 4 года назад +1

      I don't know about other countries but the soviets broke their part of the deal on the Romanian border(they have taken more territory than it was accepted).

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 4 года назад +6

      Actually, it was France and GB freezing USSR out of international issues and conferences (re: Munich) that caused the rapprochement between the Third Reich and Soviets. If anything, France and GB *disregarding* Eastern Europe led the Soviets to initiate talks with Hitler, if only for their own protection and interests.
      Otherwise, spot on

  • @timwood2607
    @timwood2607 4 года назад +3

    A nice overview of the Cold War years.

  • @NyJoanzy
    @NyJoanzy 4 года назад +6

    The problem with Communism is that no country had a specific definition.
    USSR: social authoritarianism
    China: State Capitalism
    USA: anything anyone with Authority didn't like.
    Karl Marx: a librarian-anarchist democratic system to function with as little capitalist influence as possible.

    • @zyanego3170
      @zyanego3170 3 года назад

      When did the USSR or China claim to be a "Communist State"?

    • @NyJoanzy
      @NyJoanzy 3 года назад +4

      @@zyanego3170 they were run by single parties that called themselves communist.
      It's indirect but i'd still consider sufficient for the purposes of my claim.

    • @zyanego3170
      @zyanego3170 3 года назад +1

      @@NyJoanzy You see, they thought that they would need an Authoritarian state to "protect the Revolution" until Capitalism is defeated and only then they could implement true Communism.

  • @maxheadrom3088
    @maxheadrom3088 5 месяцев назад

    The real extent of Stalin's crimes was only known in the West after Khrushchev's Secret Speech.
    After watching a lecture from the author of a book about Marshall's mission to China I developed the opinion that it was Chuchill's lecture what created the Iron Curtain: When Stalin heard the US had sent Marshall to China he commented (documented) (paraphrased) "If the Americans send Marshall they are serious on effort and we should support them". 2 weeks later Churchill gave his lecture in the US and around 2 weeks after that Trumann told Marshall they would support the Nationalists no matter what.

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 4 года назад +3

    19:39 Ha, Poor-ea.

  • @tthompson9244
    @tthompson9244 Год назад

    There's one pretty solid example of the CPUSA killing a member, in this case she was one of the founders, Juliet Stuart Poyntz. The story is that she traveled to the Soviet Union and became disillusioned with Stalin and was prepared to write about it. Perhaps even worse, she was associating with domestic Trotskyists. She disappeared.

  • @byzantineboi8345
    @byzantineboi8345 4 года назад +1

    Hey cypher what do you think about Gavin Menzies
    Cypher : *Annoyed noises*

  • @andersonandrighi4539
    @andersonandrighi4539 4 года назад +3

    The Cuban Revolution is a great example of how the Cold War operated in Third World countries. It started as a nationalist revolution, but the conditions forces its leaders to chose a side. US had more to lose with its demands so they went with the Soviet Union. The really sad turn out of that Revolution was that Castro wanted to bolster democracy and became a dictator just like Fulgencio Batista

    • @HipFire1
      @HipFire1 3 года назад

      not really there were a lot of pro democracy forces on the revolutionary side but they were killed or forced to exile to the us, castro and their pals were never going to make Cuba a democracy.

    • @karaluv_ravenovich
      @karaluv_ravenovich 2 года назад +2

      @@HipFire1 but was it possible to stay communist democracy, when your neighbor was literally trying to place their leader?

  • @MortalWombat1988
    @MortalWombat1988 4 года назад +3

    The overview over the red scare is fantastic! But the persistent myth that the Chinese just threw masses of troops against the UN is just that, a myth. This has been extensively researched and documented. It mostly stems from the PVAs heavy use of night time infiltration- and breakthrough tactics that left UN troops regularly surrounded, giving the impression of large amounts of Chinese troops everywhere in the vicinity.
    The other half of it of course is patriotic propaganda. This was a tried and true method of interrelating lack of success that was learned from the memoirs and statements of US captured Nazi generals: "Our valiant and steadfast troops fought heroically and would have prevailed, were it not for the unceasing onslaught of the Soviet / Chinese human waves!" is just something a defeated general will admit rather than "Yeah we kind of messed up there, so this didn't go as well as it could have.."

  • @chelebelle2223
    @chelebelle2223 3 года назад +1

    I really enjoyed the documentary! Thanks Cynical Historian! 👍

  • @AmBotanischenGarten
    @AmBotanischenGarten 3 года назад +2

    You are a good lecturer!!

  • @graemelamont1617
    @graemelamont1617 4 года назад +1

    31:35 - I think you mean "Dead Man's Hand" versus "Dead Hand" there Cipher. Plus I thought it was RFK (Bobby) that helped out McCarthy, not JFK (Jack)?

    • @slippulter8053
      @slippulter8053 3 года назад +2

      That type of system is called a dead mans switch, however this one in particular is named Dead Hand by the west, and Perimetr by the Russians.

  • @RichardKoenigsberg
    @RichardKoenigsberg 2 года назад +2

    Amazing analysis!

  • @bartysp2599
    @bartysp2599 4 года назад +1

    Americans...

  • @bothejack5929
    @bothejack5929 7 месяцев назад

    5:30 What civil was there in Turkey after WW2?

  • @TheHoagie13
    @TheHoagie13 4 года назад +1

    SPC Hall-Patton!!! Review: *HBO's Generation KILL!!!*
    ..........pretty-please!??

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  4 года назад +1

      It's not exactly a historical piece, nor do I really have anything to say on it. I like it though

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад

      @@CynicalHistorian how about the wire?

  • @Tansea
    @Tansea 3 года назад +1

    What's your opinion on whether Kissinger should be charged as a criminal?

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  3 года назад +5

      If he wasn't American, he easily could've been

  • @neddyladdy
    @neddyladdy 4 года назад +2

    Was there a corresponding scare to the red scare in the East of The US/NATO?

    • @StoutProper
      @StoutProper 3 года назад

      Russian top brass were convinced and terrified that the US was about to attack and invade. Not surprising considering their recent history, the fact that Churchill planned to and that the US wanted them to think that

    • @neddyladdy
      @neddyladdy 3 года назад

      @@StoutProper Thanks Guinness. I assumed there had been but all your media is so ridiculously biased that we would never hear of anything like that.

  • @dachuxing
    @dachuxing 4 года назад +1

    A concise synopsis and well articulated report on the Cold War.

  • @tigerstyle4505
    @tigerstyle4505 4 года назад +6

    This is the much shorter version of one part of my response to people who ask me "why haven't anarchist (or socialist/whatever) ideas taken hold more given that it was so big and is so logical, natural and intuitive?". The rest are long-form essays on settler colonialism, propaganda and indoctrination, the school system, media, and how so many words are eventually "evacuated of any and all content" here in the so-called USofA 😂

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 2 года назад

      Anarchism and socialism have some overlap, but are almost always 2 very differing groups and have 2 divergent goals and incompatible policies. Equating the 2 groups because they can have a tiny overlap is a bit like equating the US democratic party and the Soviets t because "they're both kinda left and both are kinda socialist".
      The US has little pluralism in politics for a few simple reasons. 1: the us has had 2 major parties and 2 major groups since colonial days with the north vs the south having such divergent goals and policies. 2: since the days of the founding fathers there were always 2 major groups who eventually turned into 2 major parties that evolved over time. And 3: the 2 party system has become so entrenched that its encoded into our polticial system and makes it impossible to form a 3rd party or get far as an independent.
      Having a 2 party system had resulted in both parties desperately trying to be very similar over all and committing similar big picture actions despite taking polar opposite stances in many issues and having such different rhetoric. Even today both parties have adopted "red baiting" with the GOP accusing much of the democratic party of being Chinese sympathizers and socialists who they consider Marxist, while the democrats accuse much of the GOP of being Russian puppets and even using nicknames like "Moscow Mitch" for Mitch McConnell or accusing Trump of being a secret ally of Putin. Both parties try to point out connections to thei opposites of being connected to the CCP through business deals. They do this because they both have such narrow margins in elections that if they can swing a few percentage points of moderates to their party they can win and this results in both parties being shockingly similar if you look at the big picture and ignore rhetoric and minor domestic policies.
      This also all results in disparate factions forming in each party that may have radical ideas. Each party is so terrified of splitting the vote because even a small fraction (like say 3-5%) can be enough to lose an election. That's why the laisse fair capitalists in the GOP rubbing shoulders with people who are borderline fascist and want the party to seize control of certain industries or take a somewhat command economy stance all to artificially expand certain industries (such as building lithium mines in the US that are economically unviable just so we dont have to import lithium), and people in the Democratic party rub shoulders with anarchists. Both parties also actively try to deny racism within their party while still tacitly endorsing racism through creative vocabulary and dog whistles.

  • @RobKandell
    @RobKandell 3 года назад

    Another name for “brinksmanship” is called “playing chicken”.
    “Suicide may be a good hobby, but I wouldn’t do it for a living.”

  • @stinkybutt42069
    @stinkybutt42069 2 года назад +4

    4:03 imagine being an poor agrarian society, having a revolution, and within 30 years developing nuclear weapons. Holy canoli!

    • @josue.ortega
      @josue.ortega Год назад

      And getting people to outer space, plus universal healthcare and top notch universities. Not to ignore the ugly stuff like the gulags and the censorship, but credit where credit's due, it was one giant step the Russians took in just a couple of generations

  • @TheJsmitty85
    @TheJsmitty85 3 года назад

    Umm... What civil war in Turkey? Are you talking about the PKK? That's the only thing that comes to mind.

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 2 года назад

    Being gay makes you communist? I don't think that's right chief, I do know a lot of gay communists but I also know a few gay libertarians too. I don't think the two correlate.

  • @JML6988
    @JML6988 2 года назад

    I appreciate this documentary as its narrator is objective. I've seen other history series done by the likes of Gore Vidal or Oliver Stone and those fellows are profoundly anti-American. Nice job on this video!

  • @daveharrison4697
    @daveharrison4697 4 года назад

    Missed this last week. Not like me. A point I will make about nuclear detonations... There is only one nation on the planet that has nuked TWO allied countries and got away with it. That would be the UK (we detonated bombs in Australia and the USA for reference).

  • @CuttinBlade
    @CuttinBlade 2 года назад +1

    Outstanding!

  • @Flow86767
    @Flow86767 4 года назад +1

    If possible we should’ve a playlist of all your U.S. history lectures.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  4 года назад +2

      there's only 2 I recorded like this

    • @Flow86767
      @Flow86767 4 года назад +1

      The Cynical Historian Thx for these btw

  • @steveclapper5424
    @steveclapper5424 3 года назад

    Think for just a minute how WRONG they were and paid no price.

  • @Tansea
    @Tansea 3 года назад

    Did Truman have the Intel/background to make the split moment decisions necessary to control the situation, his focus seemed to be the race for oil in the middle east?

  • @carolineadams7283
    @carolineadams7283 4 года назад +1

    Where do I sign up for your course ?

  • @deusvultpictures6550
    @deusvultpictures6550 4 года назад

    Its cool but let me call in a buddy of mine who is an expert on the Red Scare and he can come take a look at it.

  • @cheeto8544
    @cheeto8544 4 года назад

    Off topic but just a question from something you said in a video I seen earlier. What part of Vegas did you grow up in

  • @GeekHazu
    @GeekHazu 3 года назад

    Too bad there were no Power Armor back then.

  • @AgoraphobicNews
    @AgoraphobicNews 3 года назад

    Epic staring contest hahahaha. Made my day

  • @Reagan1984
    @Reagan1984 4 года назад +1

    The Latin American dictatorships are very interesting, considering that besides pledging themselves anti-communists, they often were left to their own devices.
    Argentina's Videla and Chile's Pinochet had a fairly major dispute called the Beagle Conflict, which led to Chile supporting Britain during the Falklands.

    • @HipFire1
      @HipFire1 3 года назад +1

      Videla even had agreements with cuba regarding not denouncing each other on the UN and had some trade relationships with the USSR (in exchange both countries dropped the support for the communist terrorists groups in the country)

  • @JuddKramer
    @JuddKramer 2 года назад

    31:27 - do I detect a Barry McGuire reference?

  • @patricklynch9574
    @patricklynch9574 4 года назад

    The chocolate bomber is a cool story from the Berlin blockade.

  • @Tansea
    @Tansea 3 года назад

    Italy? Operation Gladio?

  • @bkstudio1990
    @bkstudio1990 4 года назад +3

    Love your lectures! I used to teach U.S History and I always find something new in these!

  • @CaptainDugog
    @CaptainDugog 3 года назад

    violently takes note.

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 4 года назад

    32:51 Did you audio suddenly get better?

  • @IJ72
    @IJ72 3 года назад

    Where is "Paperclip"?

  • @Psyclone542
    @Psyclone542 2 года назад +2

    Love your channel, makes brushing up on my world history quick, easy and digestible while im working or otherwise occupied

  • @Tansea
    @Tansea 3 года назад

    Loose lips sink ships.

  • @Tansea
    @Tansea 3 года назад

    B-52's on the tree line...

  • @Tansea
    @Tansea 3 года назад

    I want to study under you

  • @Lordboring1478
    @Lordboring1478 4 года назад

    1000th view. Great video!